U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad Reject McCain’s Iraq Plans, Donate 6:1 To Obama
U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad Reject McCain’s Iraq Plans, Donate 6:1 To Obama
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has repeatedly claimed that he can speak for the interests of U.S. troops and best represent what they want. During a November 2007 debate, for example, McCain said:
I want to — and I want to tell you something, sir. I just finished having Thanksgiving with the troops, and their message to you is — the message of these brave men and women who are serving over there is: Let us win. Let us win.
Moreover, he has charged that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), “who does not understand what’s happening in Iraq or fails to acknowledge the success in Iraq, would rather lose a war than lose a campaign.”
But a new analysis by Open Secrets finds that the U.S. military is increasingly rejecting McCain as its spokesman. Obama has received nearly six times as much money from soldiers deployed overseas. Even anti-war libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), who has suspended his campaign, has received more than four times as much as McCain:
Despite McCain’s status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall — whether stationed overseas or at home — are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama.
McCain leads Obama by $4,000 in Marine Corps donations, although in all the other branches — including in the Navy, in which McCain served — Obama is leading “by significant margins.” Army Specialist Jay Navas cited Iraq war policies as a key reason he gave to Obama: “We’ll complete our duty — I’m deploying next year — because it’s a commitment I made to the nation, not to a president. But we all know that Iraq was a big mistake.”
Not only is Obama’s withdrawal plan — redeployment within 16 months — seemingly more popular amongst U.S. troops, but is also favored by Iraqi government officials. Even many wealthy donors in the United States who contributed to Bush in 2004 have been reluctant to donate to McCain because of his Iraq policies.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:18 amWhy do our troops hate America?
This is just symptomatic of the callous disregard that the current regime has towards its troops and veterans.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:21 amWell if I were a soldier stationed in Iraq being used as a low paid security guard to guard the oil fields for the oil companies I wouldn’t want Insane McCain being my spokesman either. Besides I don’t really think our military wants to stay in Iraq for 10, 20, 50 maybe 100 years.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:22 amMaybe this is a further explanation on why BushCo and the Repugs don’t want voter registration in VA hospitals; would create even more anti-Repug voters.
Gotta keep those pesky veterans in the dark and powerless, once they have served their purpose.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:24 amObama has received nearly six times as much money from soldiers deployed overseas. Even anti-war libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), who has suspended his campaign, has received more than four times as much as McCain
Ouch, that has got to hurt McCain’s ego.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:25 amBetter be careful there troops, you might piss the ol’ coot off.
Raynman, our troops don’t hate America, just like many of their fellow country men and women, they love their country, it is our corrupt, pathetic, greedy, self serving, war mongering government which we cannot stand.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:25 amMcCain to Lieberman: “Can you stop Obama’s money Surge”?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:27 amThe US troops deployed overseas have spoken loud and clear. No more John McCain rhetoric about winning the war in Iraq. They want to see a real “withdrawal plan” that Obama has. US soldiers want an end to this big error in Iraq. Are you listening McCain???
August 14th, 2008 at 11:27 ambut the blackwater mercs
are donating to mcsame at
a rate of 6:1.
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so there.
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good luck.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:30 amCue the trolls with their distracting shiny objects…
August 14th, 2008 at 11:30 amC’mon trolls!!! This one is ripe for the picking isn’t it?
The troops must be ant-troop, and anti-American! They must be advocating surrender – and after all, we are a nation of whiners!
It must be easier to maintain bloodlust while blogging in your basement, licking the Cheeto dust off of your fingers OR running for Unitary Executive!
/snark
August 14th, 2008 at 11:34 amcreusa1 Says:
According to the raw data, only 134 troops stationed abroad have donated to Obama. That is hardly statistically relevant. Even according to the article you cite:
A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 — just 323 donations — should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. “If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger,” he said. “Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately.”
Once again, Creusa pollutes the boards with unsubstantiated “fact.” C’mon Creusa, I thought you were schooled in the ways of adding a link to your post yesterday?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:35 ammisshusseinmolly; You timed it perfectly about when the trolls would chime in. Kudos.
What else do you see in your crystal ball?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:35 am:-)
John Kerry Says:
BULLSHIT! More lib lies!
Flagged for obscenity, and general lameness.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:36 amIf I were stationed there I would certainly want Obama’s plan over 100 years McSame’s stupidity.
John Kerry, hey, I see you are still an idiot, nice to know that stupid doesn’t change.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:40 amJohn Kerry-FLAGGED!
your proof of ‘lib lies’ ?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:41 amJohn Kerry Says
August 14th, 2008 at 11:35 am
BULLSHIT! More lib lies!
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OK — can you back up that accusation with something solid? Like credible data of your own? Or some valid reason why the Open Secrets data should be discredited?
Or is this just troll poo you’re flinging in desperation because you have no coherent argument?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:41 amdennis Says:
Stretch.
hope i didn’t quote you
“out of context”
denise.
:)
thank you.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:42 amHow much does the RNC pay you a day Cretinusa1?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:43 ammccain, you are done bro! senility has gotten the best of you, you incoherent republican… oh wait, that’s kind of redundant. (incoherent republican)
August 14th, 2008 at 11:44 amcreusa1 Says:
Tweedster Says:
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John Kerry Says:
BULLS**T! More lib lies!
Flagged for obscenity, and general lameness.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
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Flagged for repeating the osscenity, and general lameness.
the domino effect.
:)
thank you.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:44 amOh Creusa’s lying ways…
August 14th, 2008 at 11:44 amBuckie Boy – I was seriously considering asking him that too!
But I was going to call him Creosote for some reason (maybe cuz it’s toxic and stinks?).
August 14th, 2008 at 11:46 amThe troops are pretty smart, I’d say. If they really like McCain, wouldn’t they be donating to him in large numbers?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:47 amIt’s not like they have lots of available cash….
John Kerry Says
This troll is just a common right wing coward. He probably looted in NO and ran. He has nothing constructive to add to any conversation and he will not stay and defend his absudity because he is a coward.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:48 amcreusa1 Bloats:
Tweedster Says:
Flagged for repeating the osscenity, and general lameness.
OUCH!!! Not osscenity!!
Oh Creusa, you’re such a precious troll.
creusa1 Farts:
Tweedster. I thought you were schooled in the ways of actually reading yesterday. I clearly cited to the same article linked by TP. If you need it linked again to make ir realllllly east for you, here you go.
Umm…no you didn’t. You just now provided a link. Nice try. Liar.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:48 amcreusa1 Says:
The Open Secrets data is probably accurate. Just 134 troops overseas have donated to Obama. It is the sweeping conclusion reached by TP with regard to just 134 donations that is called into question
You don’t make a link appear by bolding the text…if that’s what your aim was.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:49 amcreusa1 Says:
No one takes you seriously. You have lied and deceived too many times. You post no links to back your lies.
You’re just a big pile of cow shit. Stinky and something to scrape off my boots before I go in the house.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:50 amcreusa1 Says
August 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am
According to the raw data, only 134 troops stationed abroad have donated to Obama. That is hardly statistically relevant. Even according to the article you cite:
A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 — just 323 donations — should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. “If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger,” he said. “Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately.”
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But if Obama was really the boogeyman you claim he is, wouldn’t the troops be angrier at him? I mean, if our troops are passionate about remaining over there and “winning” (whatever that means), wouldn’t they be p!ssed off at Obama’s withdrawal timetable enough to contribute to McCain’s campaign?
If the troops are contributing to Obama merely out of anger, why are they angrier at McCain?
You’re right that the number of contributions represents a small portion of the military. Our soldiers don’t get paid a whole lot, so political contributions are small or non-existant. The point being made is that of those who contribute, more contributions are going to Obama.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:52 amCreusa
BTW…at the bottom of the open secrets link you fail to consistently put in your “counter-point” the table shows 859 donations from all military personnel. I know it isn’t your “currently deployed” number, but it is telling how you fail to mention that Obama also leads by 301 donations made overall by enlisted personnel.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:52 amAnother troll who doesn’t bother to report the data was for ONE month, June 2008.
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $60,642 134
McCain, John $10,665 26
Another table in the same article show figures “Based on contributions made during the 2008 election cycle through June 31, 2008.”
Recipient Total Number
Obama, Barack $335,536 859
McCain, John $280,513 558
Given that these are “Contributions from U.S. Troops Deployed Abroad” the numbers are significant given the size of the population of contributors.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:53 amcreusa1 Says:
It has already been linked above, Tweener. How many times do you need the same link? The reference is to the same article to which TP cites above and to which I linked at 11:39.
Aww, a new nickname!!! Clever troll…so cute when they’re vexed!
So anyway, what is your point exactly? That McCain couldn’t even garner support from 134 deployed troops?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am“McCain leads Obama by $4,000 in Marine Corps donations…”
With all due respect for the Marines, they (McLame especially) aren’t called “Grunts” for nothing.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:54 amcreusa1 Says:
It is the sweeping conclusion reached by TP with regard to just 134 donations that is called into question.
Look, Cruiser, if that was the only evidence they had, fair enough. But it isn’t, so man up to reality.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:54 amSaint Augustine Says:
SHHHHHHHHH!!! You’ll destroy Creusa’s lie-bubble! It feeds her misinformation and rubs her feet :-)
Creusa LIES!!!
August 14th, 2008 at 11:55 amSorry for the OT links detailing Creusa’s lie spree yesterday…
I just can’t stand this troll.
SO Creusa, how many less donations did McCain receive than the 134 your erroneously claim comprise the sum total of Obama’s contributions from service members? I’m too lazy to read your link…
August 14th, 2008 at 11:57 amPlease don’t throw facts at the Trolls.
It just makes them angry.
August 14th, 2008 at 11:59 amTime for Joe Lieberman and Fox News to question Obama’s patriotism again.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pmBuh-bye, cresote.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pmHold everything. Did I miss a John Kerry drive by? Come on John be man enough to stick around awhile. Plop a squat my friend. There is so much I wish to ask of you…
August 14th, 2008 at 12:11 pmIf anyone does not believe that the greater majority of the military is pro-Obama, please just click on my name. We have numerous different veterans groups who post on VetVoice, and we allow all open discussion among vets and current military. Now and then we see a McCain supporter, but it is rare.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pmSen. John McCain (R-AZ) has repeatedly claimed that he can speak for the interests of U.S. troops and best represent what they want.
McCain speaks for no one except the conservative warmongers getting rich off this war and a handful of angry white men who get off on kicking some a$$.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pmTracy_5,
Are you for or against non-partisan voter registration in VA hospitals and in the military in general?
August 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pmTracy_5 Says:
“If anyone does not believe that the greater majority of the military is pro-Obama, please just click on my name.”
I would think that this group would tend to disagree with your claim.
http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/
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Yes, I’m very familiar with Pete’s group. McCain recently resigned from it. They are one anomaly among a ton of veterans groups. Veterans of America, IAVA, VoteVets, VFP, VFW, American Legion, too many to list – all disagree with Pete.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pmChris,
Who is the main source of money behind Pete’s 501? Does anyone really know?
I find it ludicrous that any group would still be trying to sell the old crap about Iraq being part of the GWOT.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pmupside99 Says:
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They have a few deep-pocket contributors. McCain and Lieberman both have been on their board, as well as a number of the Swiftboat guys. They are a 501c(4) charity, so technically they cannot promote a specific candidate.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pmupside99 Says:
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In the interest of full disclosure, please realize also, I am a senior adviser to VoteVets.org, and a front-page writer for vetvoice.com. I am a member of the National Security Network as well.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pmChris,
Thanks for the information. And I know about your involvement, as I am a member as well as of the VofA and the VVAW. (I am an old Viet combat dude).
Thanks for your service both in the military and in Votevets.org.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pmupside99 Says:
Chris,
Thanks for the information. And I know about your involvement, as I am a member as well as of the VofA and the VVAW. (I am an old Viet combat dude).
Thanks for your service both in the military and in Votevets.org.
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Thank you as well! Mueller and Forrester from the VofA post on VetVoice regularly. Good guys.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pmChris,
I find it ironic that VetVoice and VofA have a lot of information regarding veterans’ benefits and helpful info while vetsforfreedom is all about propaganda about Iraq.
Guess it shows where their REAL interests ‘lie’.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pmupside99 Says:
Guess it shows where their REAL interests ‘lie’.
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True. I’ve noticed that IAVA tries to stay out of the fray as well. They rate politicians according to their voting records and just let it stand at that. Every veterans group that I have worked with seems to put issues and aid first, and politics second. VFF was primarily formed as a political attack group. They do get some serious funding though from a few deep pockets.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pmTracy_5, why do you hate Barack Obama and our troops in Iraq?
August 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pmWho really supports the troops?
Click here righties to be knocked off your feet.
This is IAVA……
August 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pmBarack Obama gets a B+
John McCain gets a D
Yeah, but what do those Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans know about veterans issues?
August 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pmUm, I’m sure you guys are proud and all, but your sample size here– 134 soldiers– is, uh, how do we say… statistically irrelevant.
But don’t let that get in your way.
August 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pmPotfry Says:
You’re not in the way potfry. We would love to hear what you really think.
In the meantime be sure to check out the link in post #57 and get back with me. Be glad to talk to you about it if you can make any sense besides saying that Obama bad/ mccain good.
Please tell us who really does support the troops, mccain, I don’t think so.
August 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pmWOW! Ron Paul is making almost as much as Obama and he’s not even in the race anymore! :)
Ron Paul was the one making more than 60% of the money all together from those men & women over there, before.
I’m glad to see people that work for the govt still believe in Freedom.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:29 amMcCain had an Alzheimer’s moment afew weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in September 2007: voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.
John McCain in May 2006, voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
John McCain in April 2006, was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
John McCain in March 2006, voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
John McCain in March 2004, once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans’ medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans’ needs.
John McCain in October 2003, voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
John McCain in April 2003, urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
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