Upright left Says:
It used to be true that the Democratic Party was the party of the people. Then the Democratic Party became the party of the far left. That’s why I criticize the Democratic Party.

You are the only person in the world who thinks the Democratic Party has moved to the left. The last one thousand times I have read anyone on the subject, they all agree that the Dem Party moved to the center or center right after losing in 1980, 84, and 88. Bill Clinton was a New Democrat, the Third Way, and Triangulation. The DNC was downright conservative compared to the wishes of the majority of Americans. I really disliked Terry McAuliffe.

Do you think Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, and Dean are a move to the far left? They are the leaders of the party. Rush Limbaugh mioght say they are to the left, but even he does not believe it. Once you have called Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, and Dean “The Far Left”, what is there left to describe the many millions of Americans who are to the left of them? Did you know that 65% of Americans think we should have single-payer government-run healthcare? Did you know the majority think we should spend less on the military? Etc., etc.

August 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
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Perhaps my comment wasn’t clear enough when I said the Dems used to be the party of the people, but then they moved too far left. The years that you noted were exactly what I was talking about. As for Clinton, he was hampered by the Dems having lost Congress. Do you seriously think his actions would have been the same if he’d had a Dem congress?

Reid isn’t far left; Pelosi would be if she didn’t have so much money at stake. As for Dean, his views seem to depend upon what office he is seeking.
Those who are left of the far left Dems are generally called socialists. I’m certainly not saying there are no conservative Dems left. They are regularly blasted on this site.

It’s easy to understand why people are desperate enough to vote for a single payer system. We all know people who haven’t received the care they need because they don’t have insurance. I would be all for a single payer system if it came with stringent safeguards and stiff penalties for anyone found abusing the system. The massive system it would require would provide amazing new opportunities for those who are less than honest and those who seek govt jobs because they know it’s almost impossible to get rid of them once they get in.

I think we should spend less on the military. That would be accomplished be getting out of Iraq. Wanting to spend less on the military doesn’t mean people want to weaken our nation militarily or that people have any less respect and support for our soldiers.

You are the only person in the world who thinks the Democratic Party has moved to the left. The last one thousand times I have read anyone on the subject, they all agree that the Dem Party moved to the center or center right after losing in 1980, 84, and 88. Bill Clinton was a New Democrat, the Third Way, and Triangulation. The DNC was downright conservative compared to the wishes of the majority of Americans. I really disliked Terry McAuliffe.

Do you think Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, and Dean are a move to the far left? They are the leaders of the party. Rush Limbaugh mioght say they are to the left, but even he does not believe it. Once you have called Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, and Dean “The Far Left”, what is there left to describe the many millions of Americans who are to the left of them? Did you know that 65% of Americans think we should have single-payer government-run healthcare? Did you know the majority think we should spend less on the military? Etc., etc.

This is corporatist McCain’s way of saying he supports limiting what once was the definition of the baseline American Dream to the “Rich”, a class he defines as making “more than five million”.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/10/hayes.obit/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

What in the fu(king hell is with Warren and all these religious questions to Obama ?

Religious persecution ?

Where ????????

“The war on Christmas” ?

Gimme a break ; and why in the hell is a friggin Pastor asking presidential candidates any questions (and repeating verses directly from the Bible) when we supposedly live in a secular nation ???????????

August 17th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
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Obama is a Christian and he chose to participate in the forum. He was free to decline just as you were free to ignore it. Fortunately, Obama doesn’t feel the need to disregard his Christianity because he is a politician. The questions weren’t asked as a prerequisite to being able to be elected president. That would have been illegal. The questions were asked to help people decide for whom they wanted to vote. That is perfectly legal. Our govt is not to promote a particular religion. That is a far cry from living in a secular nation.

upright left,
You want us to believe you are voting for Obama after all the posts you have made here?!? What a load of BS. I think you are closer to Attila The Hun on the political spectrum.

August 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
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Believing it would require the ability to understand that not everyone who supports the candidate that you do believes everything that you do. Sorry if you can’t make that leap. You know that I disagree with you on issues like the acceptability of abortion (though I don’t advocate making it illegal), gay marriage, patriotism etc. On the major issues, I support similar policies as you do, differing in degree. I support increased funding for education and healthcare. But I think govt does a lousy job at both and taking healthcare completely away from the private sector and giving it totally to govt is asking for a new and improved money sucking hole. I don’t think we had any business in Iraq, nor should we be doing any saber rattling regarding Iran or Russia. I think there are radical Muslims who are a danger to our country and cannot be ignored. I think most Muslims are decent people who just want to live their lives in peace like I do. I think we need to help those who are unable to help themselves. Those who will never be able to help themselves deserve our support for the duration of their lives. Those who can learn to support themselves should do so even if they have to be pushed to do it. Those who choose to break the rules of society and prey on others deserve to lose their freedom, permanently if they repeatedly break the rules. If those were Attila’s views, then I’m right there with him. ;)

They’re posing “character questions” to an adulterer and supporter of the worst and most dishonest president and administration in US history ?

Should have been categorized as “lacking character” questions……

August 17th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
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I didn’t defend McCain’s character. I simply pointed out that there isn’t any significant difference in the way the question was phrased.

August 17th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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There was a time when I would have laughed at the suggestion that I would ever vote Republican. It used to be true that the Democratic Party was the party of the people. Then the Democratic Party became the party of the far left. That’s why I criticize the Democratic Party. In addition, there seems to be an unusual number of people here who think corruption will be a thing of the past if a Dem wins the Whitehouse. I agree there will be much less corruption in an Obama administration than in Bush’s, but corruption has flourished no matter which party is in power. It’s foolish to suggest that voting in Dems will make that problem go away. The crooked politicians will just have a D after their names instead of an R.

Are you using IE or another browser? I have no problems with Firefox.

just figured out book marked you tube links will not work directly from the bookmark.

Have to remember titles and go from there.

One thing for sure most states eventually will see that link of McCain offering up his wife in their comment section in major newspapers when I get done.

I blog on online newspapers in other states and the crap that is out there.. the idiocy, racists, and now some are down on Obama because the polls, generated by land line phones are not a landslide in his favor.

Idiots.. all of them.

Heck! Every time I type Flippy McSpin I expect to get quoted as an example of a “far left loon who hates war heroes”, by some Reichwing crusader.

rant over.