Fox’s Campaign Carl Lies, Gives McCain Credit For Fictitious GI Bill Provision
Fox’s Campaign Carl Lies, Gives McCain Credit For Fictitious GI Bill Provision
Yesterday, while speaking to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) attempted to steal credit for the GI Bill that he actively opposed. Fox News’s Carl Cameron gave McCain’s efforts a major boost last night, declaring that McCain successfully changed the GI Bill — to create “a more proportionate award” of benefits — and thus was able to support it:
CAMERON: John McCain initially took some opposition to it [the GI Bill], because in McCain’s view, it didn’t proportionately give GI benefits to servicemen and women, depending on how long they were actually in active duty and service. He thought it should be a more proportionate award. He fought for it, it was inserted into the legislation, and in the end, McCain supported it.
Watch it:
The GI Bill as approved in no way resembles McCain’s so-called proportional proposal. The GI Bill provides 100 percent tuition payments to those who have served 36 months in active duty, and gives 80 percent to those who have served 24 months. By contrast, under McCain’s proposal, a soldier would have had to serve four times as long — 12 years in active duty – to be eligible for the most generous benefits.
McCain has offered a handful of excuses why he did not support the GI Bill, claiming it was too expensive, too generous, or might somehow hamper retention rates. The fact is that McCain was always “full of it” on the bill, and now — with the help of Fox News — he’s simply trying to rewrite history. (HT: Newshounds)
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At some point, someone in Washington needs to revoke Fox’s right to call what they produce: “news”.
Isn’t there a law called “Truth in advertising”?
August 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pmMore Fair and Balanced reporting, with a demonstrable lie told by a reporter who was caught on tape during the 2000 election telling George Bush what a great time his wife was having out campaigning for him.
Keep that honest objectivity coming, Carl.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pmYou know, I didn’t think it was humanly possible that I could loathe anyone more than I loathe George W. Bush, but now, I’m rethinking that contention.
I now loathe that pandering, senile, warmongering old liar John McStain more.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pmThis election is not going to determine who is the best person to run this nation, it is going to determine if the country is smart enough to elect the right person. FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU…FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!!!!! Will America learn?????
August 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pmThis lie, as so many we have seen in the McCain campaign needs much exposure… a job for the bloggers.. and I fear the masses are far from believing the MSM would actually lie.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pmObama’s voting record supporting the troops is actually better than MCCain’s. Just because John McCain served in the Navy does not automatically mean that he supports the troops.
I think Senator Obama will do more for the military than McCain will.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pmNOLIESPLEASE Says:
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This election is not going to determine who is the best person to run this nation, it is going to determine if the country is smart enough to elect the right person. FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU…FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!!!!! Will America learn?????
NO, there are not enough “learned” people in this country, so I am sad to report that more people will believe Carl Cameron than the truth or facts. The televsion is no longer a source of information, it is now forever known as the idiot box, where misinformation, infotainment, and so-called reality shows (news included) reign supreme.
RIP
August 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
“notwithstanding some of the democratic alternatives along the way”
so much for “reaching across the aisle”, then?
August 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pmMugsy Says:
At some point, someone in Washington needs to revoke Fox’s right to call what they produce: “news”.
Isn’t there a law called “Truth in advertising”?
I’ve had the exact same thoughts.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmI was hoping it could be applied to politicians when they’re speaking to the public or media. Because, well, aren’t they really just, selling themselves?
McCain is fast becoming the biggest lying POS to ever have run for POTUS. He is making Tricky Dickie Nixon look like an alter boy.
If the good sheeple of this country buy his crap, I will have lost all faith in the integrity and intelligence of this nation and we will deserve to go down in flames.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThis is where Obama should hit the old man below the belt on….Fux News is an enabler of Mcwars and his campaign.The sad part of this is that Mcwars will not deny this and the fact that nobody on the left will deny it either is disgusting.Wake up call for the Democrats!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pmI see. McCain was against the GI Bill before he was for it, and then he didn’t bother to vote on it.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pmMy question about Faux viewers:
Do these people seriously believe this crap OR do they support Faux as this news station in their mind will help their candidate win… even by lying?
August 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pmI have long thought that all of FOX’s advertizing revenue should be treated as a campaign donation to the Republican Party.
Fox EXISTS to lie to the American public. That is its sole reason for being. NOTHING THEY SAY is an honest mistake; there is ALWAYS a motivation behind it.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pmCAMERON: John McCain initially took some opposition to it [the GI Bill], because in McCain’s view, it didn’t proportionately give GI benefits to servicemen and women, depending on how long they were actually in active duty and service. He thought it should be a more proportionate award. He fought for it, it was inserted into the legislation, and in the end, McCain supported it.
And he was so vociferous and adamant about it , that he didn’t show up to vote or even publicly support it ………Until now.
August 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pmGood thing none of you Republicans ever criticized war hero John Kerry.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pmCameron is a used car salesman posing as a news reporter.
He’s pretty good at selling, but falls way short on facts.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pmCarl, you’re welcome to your opinion, but NOT your own facts.
Daryll Says:
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TP, there you go supporting the criticism of a war hero. Sometimes, you guys disgust me. I will pray for you.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
How critical were you of the Swift Boat Liars for Bush , and their unsubstantiated and unnecessary smear of Kerry , assh0le ?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for your bullshit response …..Fu(k off , jackass………….
August 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pmThanks Daryll but am all set. Isn’t prayer the last refuge of a scoundrel?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pmThe Admiral’s privileged son, The Songbird of Hanoi has the support of Big Oil, Fox notNews and Daryll….that’s enough for me to send my vote elsewhere.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pmLeftside Annie Says:
You know, I didn’t think it was humanly possible that I could loathe anyone more than I loathe George W. Bush, but now, I’m rethinking that contention.
I now loathe that pandering, senile, warmongering old liar John McStain more.
Annie – I’m with ya all the way – I never thought it was possible either.
Oh yea – Daryll – just go f$ck yourself
August 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmMcCain is not a war hero. All McCain did ia crash his jet and was captured. There is noting heroic in that. And as Wes Clark said. “Getting your plane shot down does not qualify you to be President of the United States”.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmThe Admiral’s son, The Songbird of Hanoi has the support of Fox Lies, Big Oil and Daryll. That is enough to convince me never to vote for him.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmSorry for the double post, but when it didn’t appear, I thought I’d pushed the wrong button.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pmI see our favorite comedic troll is on this thread now. Welcome Daryll, let’s have us some fun, K?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk
August 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pmDaryll Says:
“TP, there you go supporting the criticism of a war hero.”
You’re so cute in your ignorance, Daryll. So let me get this straight. You blindly support and defend John McCain soley due to the fact that he crashed his plane and was taken prisoner over 35 years ago? Despite the fact that the lie, cheat and flip-flop at all costs McCain in 2008 is miles apart from the maverick McCain of even 2000? I’m curious as to what justifies your blind support for a President and Vice President who were “too busy” or too high to be bothered suiting up for combat during the war in Vietnam? One served, two did not. All three are lying pieces of the same Republican shit pile. And don’t bother praying for me you sicophantic hypocrite. Your kind of religion, the kind that justifies lying, corruption and murder in the name of political gain has no place in honest discourse.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmWhen a self-professed “hero” sells out his honor for a crack at power? You’re damn right I’ll criticize.
Flippy McSpin is a disgrace to every real hero who’s ever honorably worn the uniform of our country.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pmHey Daryll-Your nomine, “war hero” John McCain is a devisive, lying coniving dishonest pile of Satan turd who would have done a greater service to this Country by staying strapped into the cockpit of one of the planes that he rammed into the ground! If you think that what I said is unpatriotic you can go suck Dick Cheney’s nutsack!
August 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pmDaryll Says:
TP, there you go supporting the criticism of a war hero. Sometimes, you guys disgust me. I will pray for you.
You will pray for what? I have come to the conclusion even you have to know faux news spews crap so your guy, the guy you think will save the babies, will win.
The ‘end justifies the means’ to the frenzied right and corporatist criminals… but for you to pray for the ‘means’ is weird and hypocritical.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pmI’m so confused. Darll told me Huckabee was the guy…
August 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm“Duke” Cunningham is 1,000 times more a “hero” than Mcpin can even imagine. “Duke” is in prison. So, it would appear, military service doesn’t preclude one from committing crimes. Tell me. Why does McSpin’s service give him a pass on anything?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:30 pmdbadass Says:
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I’m so confused. Darll told me Huckabee was the guy…
August 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
It was a typo :
“Huckabee is the gay”
August 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmWe DO know that the military are giving their limited funds to Obama at a rate of 6 to 1 for McCain.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmMarie,
Thanks for posting that YouTube clip. I am a member of the VVAMcCain and am glad to see others are starting to watch that.
You will notice that almost all the politicians on there were REPUBLICANS! They volunteered to be on this, a very telling point, indeed!
August 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmThis is coming from a guy who suports a party that MOCKED those of us who had the nerve to get Purple Hearts and not only LIVE, but havr the audacity to have all of our limbs intact. Yes I am speaking on the Repuppetcan Convention of 2004. I still get irate when I think of those Purple Heart Band-Aids being worn by the most chicken hearted of all human species, Repuppetcans. I have served with many who were awarded (I have two) this award and by looking at us you could never tell, but its the point that WE were in a situation to be even more seriously hurt or worst that pisses me the hell off. What you (daryll and your fellow Repuppetcans) did to Kerry (wuss), Max Cleland, Tammy Duckworth, and ALL of US who have been in harms way in the support of a LIE of a war, was/is despicable and shows your real support of THE TROOPS (whoever the hell that is).
So what that John McCain WAS a POW,if that were a qualification for POTUS then Lynch/Johnson 2012 would be a winning ticket (look the names up yourself and dont look on FOX they dont do news) he is now a dishonorable man that at one time wore an honorable uniform. Did you know that the military is full of murderers, rapist, child/spouse abusers, alchohol/drug users, thieves, embezzlers, in other words criminals that to keep talking about John McCains prior service means NOTHING to how he would govern NOW.
This man OPPOSED the new G.I. Bill period, end of story. The fact that he WAS a POW is irrelevant.
RIP
August 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul,raq
Hey Daryll. Sorry for the typo. Names are important
August 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmDaryll Says
August 19th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
TP, there you go supporting the criticism of a war hero. Sometimes, you guys disgust me. I will pray for you.
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Are you suggesting that once someone has been branded a “war hero”, this entitles him to immunity from criticism for life? On any issue? Including issues having absolutely nothing to do with the war they were “heroic” in? If so, you are granting McCain license to lie, to pander, to do favors for lobbyists representing rich special interests as the expense of ordinary Americans, to cheat on his wife, and basically do anything he wants without fear of criticism for it.
OK, fine. Let’s pretend that McCain’s military experience entitles him to this. Now, in order to be consistent, you would also defend John Kerry (the presidential candidate, not the troll), Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Max Cleland, Tammy Duckworth, and all others who have worn a uniform and served our country from criticism. Right?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pmUpside99
August 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pmI just saw it today and realized that if the situation would be reversed, that video would be viral by now. So I am just trying to post in on a few liberal blogs hoping it helps it to catch on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUY9S6iCvk
You should have to earn the right to call yourself NEWS. There should be performance based pay. After a certain number of factual errors, you must call what you do Infotainment. When you doctor or alter photographs, as FOX did, you must call yourself Proganda.
August 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pmAND … he said he would vote AGAINST it … AND he did not vote for it … AND Obama took time out of his campaigning to fly to DC to vote FOR IT. Where are the surrogates and Obama compaign hammering on this??????
August 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pmCarl Cameron is a “war hero?”
August 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pmDaryll Says:
TP, there you go supporting the criticism of a war hero. Sometimes, you guys disgust me. I will pray for you.
Pray for yourself. Pray for some braincells you moron. It is fair though you disgust me with virtually every post. To call you a moron is an insult to morons everywhere. What was said was TRUE. Being a war hero does not exempt anyone for having the TRUTH told about them. Veterans groups saw the McCain amendment as what it was a poison pill. Pray for the ability to perform higher brain function fool then you can think for yourself. You are not just disgusting but as ignorant as any carbon based bipedal lifeform in existance. You are one of the three organic creatures that would INCREASE your IQ by filling your head with rocks
August 20th, 2008 at 7:23 amAre you kidding? When did crashing a plane = war hero? He served and was knocked out of the fight, he should get credit for putting himself into the military and fighting but he is not a war hero… Do you even know what a Hero is??
August 20th, 2008 at 6:52 pmOK guys, I don’t like Fox, and I’m not voting for McCain. I’m middle of the road. I don’t see the issue here. This Fox video says that he fought the bill and says why. McCain has a history of saying no to various increases in funding that would help military personnel. I know this because I’m military and a member of the Air Force Sergeants Association. However, I don’t really blame him. He clearly tries to keep costs down.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:35 pmPersonally, I’m happy enough with what I’m making currently, the raises for inflation have given me what I needed. I’m one of the members of AFSA who thinks sometimes you should stop asking for more. When stuff goes wrong with my airmen’s dorms, etc, I can run fund raisers to help them out, or get Civil Engineering’s help with repairs. We don’t always need more financially.
I can say that the 100% tuition assistance has been the biggest reason for gaining the best people we’ve gotten. McCain’s logic here makes sense. Sometimes the people who come in do so only for the education benefits. The first term airmen are most effective toward the end of their term because of all the training they have to get. The end of the second term and the first half of the second are probably the most productive times for a career airman. If we get an influx of people who come in only for the GI Bill, then leave, you’ve just added a huge expense in both first term training and in longer term education, without giving the branch itself a fair trade, reducing the effectiveness of the money spent.
Now, if you want to make the military a driving force for the country in getting people education, it makes sense. However, the Veteran Administration (VA) is vastly underfunded, and actually getting the benefits is like pulling teeth, or worse. I’ve done that too. I had to write my congressman because they had turned their national phone line off and claims were backed up five months and counting. If the bill does not specifically add money to the VA’s budget, then the bill was a BAD idea.
Correction: “the end of the first term and beginning of the second are the most productive time of an airman’s career”
August 20th, 2008 at 10:36 pm