Rice: Military power is ‘not the way to deal in the 21st century.’
Rice: Military power is ‘not the way to deal in the 21st century.’
Yesterday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sharply criticized Russia for relying on its “military power” to accomplish its goals. Ironically, she said that it “is not the way to deal in the 21st century.” From her remarks yesterday en route to Belgium:
But I just want to emphasize again, Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used, that will make it – that – when it wishes to deliver a message, and that’s its military power. That’s not the way to deal in the 21st century. And if Russia wishes to make a different strategic choice, as President Medvedev said, this is a bad way to start.
Salon’s Glenn Greenwald responds to Rice’s remarks: “Just during the time Rice has served in the Bush administration, we bombed, invaded and occupied Afghanistan; did the same to Iraq; repeatedly bombed Somalia, killing all sorts of civilians; fed bombs to Israel as they invaded and bombed Lebanon; top political officials (led by John McCain and Joe Lieberman) have repeatedly threatened, and advocated, that the same be done to a whole host of other countries, including Iran and Syria.”
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But I just want to emphasize again, Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used, that will make it – that – when it wishes to deliver a message, and that’s its military power. That’s not the way to deal in the 21st century. And if Russia wishes to make a different strategic choice, as President Medvedev said, this is a bad way to start.
Yeah
The "way to do it" is to bullshit , lie , and move incompetent crony ass-kissing morons like yourself into positions of power ..............And then do it.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pmBut I just want to emphasize again, AMERICA is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used, that will make it – that – when it wishes to deliver a message, and that’s its military power. That’s not the way to deal in the 21st century. And if AMERICA wishes to make a different strategic choice, as President BUSH said, this is a bad way to start.
Just switch the countries and presidunce and you get exactly the same thing.
Pot meet kettle.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pmCondi was for using military power to deal in the 21st century before she was against it.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmThat's hliarious.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmLike Bush saying that a regime must 'listen to its people'.
Maybe Rice was just a tad bit giddy over her latest shoe purchase, and forgot
THAT WE INVADED IRAQ, USING OUR MILITARY MIGHT, NOT IN THE 20TH CENTURY, BUT THE 21ST!!!
Thank you for allowing me to "yell".
August 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmUHHH, Condi-shoes, Wasn't the invasion of Iraq in 2003? And that is in the 21st Century? And you and your fellow NeoCon Repugs did the dirty deed. So why didn't you take your own advice, Ms. AssKlown?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm.
That's right.
Who would think that Nations invade and depose regimes in the 21st Century?
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August 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pmClose, shoeless, but in fact Condi is STILL for using military power to deal, as long as it's the US using it. She's always been against other nations using it.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pmUm...why wasn't Rice saying this in 2001? In 2003?
I guess IOKIYTUS (It's OK if you're the United States). But certainly not if you're Russia.
Does Rice even see the incongruency of her remarks? Did McCain, when he said something similar recently? Does Rice realize that one could substitute the words "United States" for "Russia" in the first two sentences of her remarks and she would have one of the main criticisms made toward her boss?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pmCognitive dissonance, people.
Good grief.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmThe hypocrisy is frightening in its sincerity.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pmWell, everybody knows that the 21 Century didn't start until August 1, 2008....
August 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pmWhere's Cheney's rebuttal to Mz. Rice's new-found religion?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pmIf this wasn't so disgusting, it would be funny.
How do these people sleep at night?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pmRice, Bush, McCain, US UN ambassador et al are competing for hypocrite of the year
August 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pmtrollsbwild Says
August 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Ike Turner should come out of the grave, take one of her Ferragamo shoes and beat her with it.
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Now, now -- Rice has said and done plenty of things that make us react everywhere on the scale from "huh?" to "aaaaarrrrggh!" As have many people in the Bush administration. But as deep as our frustration is, we should NEVER advocate beating somebody up, especially while drawing parallels to domestic abuse. It's not cool, and we're better than that.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pmWhen Bush was selected by the Supreme Court, the decision Bush v. Gore specifically stated that it couldn't be used as precedent for any other future rulings.
This statement by Rice is just another manifestation of the Bushies' feelings of moral and ethical exceptionalism, or, IOKYAB, that grew from his initial installment.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pmI would prefer leadership by example rather than "do as we say, not as we do." There is no moral force behind what Condi says because she and her bosses squandered it all on preemptive war, torture, and kangaroo courts.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pmCaption:
'Putin on the Ritz'
As Babs & The Joker await with flowers, CONdi prepares to waltz.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm...around the issues.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmAhhhm 7 no 18. Wait a minute. 91? Shit. I don't know. Can you rephrase the question?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmIs this like the holier than thou husband preaching about fidelity in his marriage, all the while downloading porn and paying for special "services" from Vegas strippers?
I mean the scenario is different, but the wording's the same.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmRussia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used
The U.S. -- on the other hand -- has unfortunately had many "tools" over the past year. Some of those tools' names are GDumbya, Darth Cheney, Donny RumsFailed, Mikey Chertoff . . . and Condoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezza herself.
And the Tool-in-Chief is the best example of the old adage: "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail." While this little tin cowboy has been playing whack-a-mole all over the world, our economy, reputation and prospects for our future have pretty much fallen apart.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pmACME_Democrat Says:
How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
Bush ignored warnings of an impending attack.
Live with it.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pmI forget... how many times did Iraq attack us, again?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmsouthrnbelle Says:
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If this wasn’t so disgusting, it would be funny.
How do these people sleep at night?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Gay sex , meth , and sleeping pills provided by Cindy McPillPopper .........
August 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmACME_Democrat Says:
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How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
"We" allowed ?
Dont' you mean , "you" , you Chimpy leg humping moron ?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pmIs this like the holier than thou husband preaching about fidelity in his marriage, all the while downloading porn and paying for special “services” from Vegas strippers?
Bill Bennett shifts uncomfortably in his seat...
August 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmACME_Democrat(ACNE_Republican) Says:
How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
BLEEEP! (Flag thrown)
August 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmWe have unnecessary off topic post, irrelevant to the discussion, resulting in a ten yard penalty.
What can you say about Condi? Guess she's just realizing that her BFF Georgie isn't going to leave Laura for her after all.
OT, but so great is this little tidbit from Cafferty (love him, hate him, sometimes he just sums it all up just right):
"George Bush's record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself.
He will leave office with the country $10 trillion in debt, fighting two wars, our international reputation in shambles, our government cloaked in secrecy and suspicion that his entire presidency has been a litany of broken laws and promises, our citizens' faith in our own country ripped to shreds. Yet Bush goes bumbling along, grinning and spewing moronic one-liners, as though nobody understands what a colossal failure he has been.
I fear to the depth of my being that John McCain is just like him."
Here's the whole thing:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/cafferty.mccain/index.html
PEACE
August 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmI thought this was the administration of the War President.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pmThis must be a genetic defect in republicans -- denounce others who behave as you yourself do -- like the self-righteous religious rightwing nuts who dictate bedroom behavior for their followers while they are buggering boys in the cloakroom, or meeting Senators in public washrooms.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pmCondi & McCain spouting lies & ignoring the truth about the U.S. invading Iraq using military force. I'm sure this false talking point will be brought up by many more Repubs & right-wing news celebrities as they try to convince us all that Russia is the only one doing this. They're shameless the way they talk down to the public.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:39 pmjb Says:
I thought this was the administration of the War President.
Nope. This is the administration of the warped resident.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:39 pm...what Spencer's Mom just said.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pmMcCondi?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pmWhat did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pmblowing cave and spouting rock are just south of them if I have the background homes correct. Neither is all that spectacular except under the right tidal conditions and a strong storm surge and don't even get me started on that Mabel's Blue Claw shit...
August 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pmBush boasting about Shock & Awe and being "The War President" and now this forked tongue talk from Condi is certainly WARPED.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pmToday's vocabulary word: Sociopath
Sociopaths exhibit glibness and superficial charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
August 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pmChanges their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
ACME_Democrat Says:
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How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
What? You mean before we did something about Russia using military force to deal in the 21st century?
I don't get it.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pmYou are kinder than I am, Marie.
A genetic defect can be excused. It's an act of God, after all. I suspect that they behave the way they do because they've discovered that it works to get elected,. and it works to get themselves on talk shows.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pmACME_Democrat Says:
How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
So, in your warped little mind, doing SOMETHING, even if it is morally and legally wrong, is OK?
Where did you go to school, Regent or Liberty U?
ACME is just another NeoCon Repug POS.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pmCondi Rice approved of torture and is a wonderful candidate for war criminal of the year.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pm108 dead torture victims who will never have access to their recently restored Habeas Corpus rights .
1 million dead Iraqi's whose country had nothing to do WHATSOEVER with 911 and represented no threat to US security, several million wounded and 4 million men ,women and children who have been forced from their homes are wondering why this criminal injustice is ignored by the US government and the democratic party .
vinylspear, you have just described our president.
And the bulk of the neocon movement.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pmDo kids still play that game where you try to slap the top of the other players hands? Seems Putin may have won this round.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pmACME seems to be adopting the guerilla troll tactics of Troll JK -- hit, and then sink back into the slime.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pmWITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR OIL !
August 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pmthe whine of the compassionate conservative movement - "do as we say, not as we do" followed quickly by "why do [insert group of choice] hate our freedoms"
August 19th, 2008 at 2:50 pmRalph,
That happens when the trolls got nothin' and that is what they bring here, nothin'.
A sad bunch lately. I think they may be in the last throes, as it were.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pmupside, you owe me a new keyboard.
Okay... you owe my employer a new keyboard.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pmhit, and then sink back into the slime.
Sadly, it is more often miss and then sink back into the slime...
August 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pmor rather, fire wildly at nothing in particular and then sink back into the slime.
ACME_Democrat Says
August 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
How many terrorist attacks should we have allowed before we did something?
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From Iraq? One. Or at least a credible threat of one ("credible" meaning "not made up"). But Iraq has never attacked us. Nor were they about to.
On the other hand, we have Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda (not to be confused with Al Qaeda in Iraq) -- how many more attacks from that group do you think we should allow before we finally get serious about doing something?
August 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pmSo the story is still that Russia invaded Georgia? And they are ignoring the fact that it was Georgia who initiated the attacks against the Russian peacekeepers and other civilians in break away region of South Ossetia. So Russia is the bad guy when they were just moving into protect their own citizens and the citizens of South Ossetia who they promised to protect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7550354.stm
Of course they wouldn't acknowledge this because they needed a reason to pressure Poland into allowing us to set up our missile defense system to protect them against the big, bad Russia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm
But that is all just a coincidence.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pmOh, I get it. See, we're increasingly replacing military power with corporate power, contracting out the functions of the military to companies like Blackwater and CACI and KBR. Pretty soon, we won't need military power at all - we'll just contract out our invasions and airstrikes to the lowest bidder.
August 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pmPat Buchanan wrote a scathing article on the hypocrisy of the bush mis administration , check it out !
August 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pmI guess Notre Dame didn't bother to teach her the meaning of the word "irony."
August 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pmWhat happened to my link ? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20522.htm
August 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pmTony
August 19th, 2008 at 3:01 pmThe CIA overthrew the government of Chile on 9/11...1973 and 30 000 were killed or tortured to death ! Now that is ironic !
Ralph,
Send your employer my apologies about the keyboard, wasn't my intention to destroy any property, K?
August 19th, 2008 at 3:05 pmPoint taken, belac.
August 19th, 2008 at 3:09 pm# 56 toast
August 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pmThanx for that , thats certainly what Condi must have been trying to say , any other interpretation of her statement about militarism in the 21st century makes no sense at all .
Dear Ralph,
I'm sorry for ranting on the above post (#41) but, some days I feel as if I must wash off in an overflowing Porta-a-Potty just to feel clean from the hypocrisy that is the standard operating procedure of our plutocracy.
Sincerely,
vinylspear
August 19th, 2008 at 3:24 pmFreeman, thanks for that post.
August 19th, 2008 at 3:29 pmPat Buchanan and I usually do not see eye to eye, but this time he hit the nail it on the head.
Wow, I agree with Pat Buchanan on something.
Are cats and dogs living together?
Are conservatives making sense.....nah, that will never happen.
August 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pmGirlfriday Rice: "Military power is ‘not the way to deal in the 21st century.’"
Yeah, and this statement is coming from not only an unqualified Secretary of State that is too busy to go shoe shooping rather than dealing with important issues [like Katrina for instance] but this is a woman that never served in the military. And I guess, once again, the "military power" used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretenses for the past 5 years was all just a dream, right Condi?
August 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pmThats fine art.
August 19th, 2008 at 3:55 pmOh, damn. When I read the headline, I thought Condi was turning over a new leaf. Instead, she's just performing her usual circus act as the queen of hypocrisy.
Sigh.
Cathy
August 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pmOh, gap-toothy one, can you say, IRAQ. 500 times?
August 19th, 2008 at 3:57 pmI believe it is a testament to the corporate censored news media that Rice can feel confident enough to say something to incredibly, blatantly, obviously hypocritical and wrong.
She knows full well that no one in the American new media will ever call her on it.
The US media is NOT free, it is heavily censored and controlled by the conservatives that own the parent companies. This is self-evident.
August 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThat would explain why the GOP seems bent on returning us to the 15th century. Back then Kings were Kings and no one worried about weather we are dooming the planet and ourselves.
But, I bet all those stubborn Evangelicons will be pissed when their chosen leader starts telling them what to do.
August 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pmWhat a card that Rice is. Only when the shoe is on the other foot does it seem that military power is not the answer to foreign policy differences.
Where was she when it came to Iraq. Oh, yes, talking about it being to late when a mushroom cloud appears over our major cities. Or McCain with his "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
So, tell me again Ms. Rice, why is diplomacy the only proper response for Russia when we bomb routinely as a first resort? Show me the logic to that.
August 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pmSouthenbell Says:
If this wasn’t so disgusting, it would be funny.
How do these people sleep at night?
Because they have no MORALS!
August 19th, 2008 at 4:28 pmDon't forget in the 21st century mcchimpy wants to treat US cities and its people as they do in Iraq.
she can blow it out your 21st century hypocritical ass.
August 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pmDoes this strike you as a circuitous route? Iraq is now spending its own money to purchase weaponry.
August 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pmWe spend billions of tax dollars there (and still doing so) and they will now spend their oil money to buy weapons - from whom? American corporations.
Sounds too much like taxpayer dollars being laundered through Iraq to get back to American CEOs.
I am too cynical.
Check out Obama's speech today at the VFW in Orlando.
August 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pmhttp://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gG59gP
someone ought to enlighten Kindasleezy Rice that the invasion of iraq took place in the 21st century. As is all the saber rattling going on with iran. guess it doesn't count if the people aren't the right color.
August 19th, 2008 at 5:29 pmInteresting photo -- just realized that is Battleax Barbara and Looney Laura in the background.
August 19th, 2008 at 5:58 pmThis is just as worse as when Bush told Bob Costas 'America has no problems' and when John McCain told us that 'Nations don't invade nations in the 21st century'.
August 19th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThese Republicans are kicking their own ass on this subject.
Wasn't Rome falling when Nero played the fiddle?
Will condi play the piano while chimpy falls?
August 19th, 2008 at 6:46 pmWow. It only took 4144+ American soldier's lives and countless Iraqi lives to learn that. She doesn't learn too quickly, does she?
August 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pmTHE WAR CRIMINAL CONDI RICE thinks we forgot that she was the head of secret meeting about US's TORTURE PROGRAM in the WH! She should be behind barrs! She is a WAR CRIMINAL! Waterboard Rice! She has information we need!!!! HAGUE 2009 FOR THESE SCUM OF THE EARTH!
August 20th, 2008 at 1:40 amWhen Israel was bombing every inch of Lebanon in 2006 (21st century) Condi said it was the "birth pangs of a new Middle East".
August 20th, 2008 at 3:35 am