McCain On Reinstituting A Military Draft: ‘I Don’t Disagree’
McCain On Reinstituting A Military Draft: ‘I Don’t Disagree’
Today at a townhall meeting, an audience member praised Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for his vow to “follow bin Laden to the gates of hell.” After a long question about veterans’ care, the questioner said she believed we needed to reinstate the draft, to which McCain seemed to readily agree:
QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
[Appaluse]
MCCAIN: Ma’am, let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said.
Watch it (via Progressive Accountability):
In June, McCain said it would take an “all-out World War III” to make the draft necessary — which seems to mean he’d consider it. In July 2006, when asked to react to Newt Gingrich’s claim that “You’d have to say to yourself this is in fact World War III,” McCain said, “I do [agree] to some extent.”
Asked about the draft last September, McCain said, “I might consider it, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”
Considering McCain’s vow that “there’s gonna be other wars” and that we could stay in Iraq for 100 years, a draft might seem reasonable to him.
Transcript:
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Senator McCain I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase Bin Laden right to the gates of hell and push him in as you stated on your forum. I do have a question though. Disable veterans, especially in this state have horrible conditions, their medical is substandard. They drive four hours one way to Albuquerque for a simple doctors appointment which is often canceled. Our VA hospital is dirty it is understaffed, it is running on maximum overload. The prescription medicines are ten years behind standard medical care we have seven hundred claims stacked up at the VA office in Albuquerque some of them are ten and seven years old waiting to be processed in the mean time these people are homeless. My son is an officer in the Air Force, and I am a vet and I was raised in a military family. I think it is a sad state of affairs when we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialist top physicians, the best of medical and our vets can’t even get to a doctor. These are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we will have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
MCCAIN: Ma’am let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said and thank you and I am grateful for your support of all of our veterans.
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
This needs to be a commercial.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pmHey! The old coot’s just doing what he’s been doing these last five months.
Agreeing with anything and everything he’s asked to agree on.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:02 pmAsked about the draft last September, McCain said, “I might consider it, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”
Does this stupid wrinkled old fu(k truly believe that I would allow my niece and/or nephew to be unwillingly dragged into a clusterfu(k of his making , were the GOP to steal another presidential election ?
NOT A CHANCE IN HELL…………..
August 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pmRight, and tomorrow why he agrees we might need might need a draft he’ll deny he agreed, and no one will challenge that.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:04 pmHow sad
August 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pmSorry that’s “tomorrow when he’s asked why…”
August 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pmDoesn’t that imply something to her…? That most people don’t want to be involved with this any longer?
Put these things together, it’s not that difficult.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWhy the double negative? Why not, “I agree with you”?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pm.
Talk of following Bin Laden to the depths of hell only reminds me of:
POLITICS: Bush Covered up Musharraf Ties with Qaeda, Khan
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43605
I suppose, then, that Bush is the guardian of that gate to hell… NO?
Or is it the Ms. Harriet Miers?
Miers: From Supreme Court Nominee To Pakistan Lobbyist
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/ 2008/ 08/ miers_from_supreme_court_nominee_to_pakistan_lobbyist.php
.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pmI have 2 kids of draft age (Boy and Girl). I don’t want them to have to serve in this clusterfcuk but I feel if we had a REAL draft (No deferments, except for valid medical reasons), then this would all end in about 3 months.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:07 pmThis is what these political arseholes are coached to do, bear hug the questionner in a Clinton like “I feel your pain” gesture.
McCain the war monger, may be aware of the U.S. Israel surprise for Iran, but I guarantee he views it as a surgical strike and not an occassion for all out war.
John is trying to resonate with the town hall attendee before moving on and making the points he already planned to share.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:08 pmI hope all the 18 to 20 year olds are paying attention. If they don’t turn out in November they may soon find themselves standing at attention.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pmCould he just change his name to Military Maverick McCain and slink off to the nearest old folks’ home?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pmWell, McCain just lost the youth vote… again
August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pmI didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”
McCain in his own words from his 2002 book and its on tape
August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pmWell, we know what happened with Vietnam. There was a draft, and the students went to the streets with their protests. They would again. This would be so unpopular that the whole country would be protesting.
McCain is a war monger.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pmYeah, a draft, that’s the ticket….at least for people who don’t have money and connections to stay out of it, that is.
If McInsane gets in the White House you had better start looking for a country to live in that won’t get Nuked, because he is hell bent on starting WWIII.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pmThere are some in this country who want the Commander-in-Chief title to permanently replace “President of the United States.” A pesky old title anyway.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pmWe well know who would get exempt status in a draft started under such an administration as we have now.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pmNotice also how he dismissed the entire issue of substandard treatment of veterans. Did he say anything about how he was going to fix that, no.
So he says there WILL be more wars and that we WILL need the draft to fight them. And so he doesn’t have to leave anything to chance his lobbyist advisers tell Georgia to invade Osetia and everybody will blame the Russians, and then what?
This time they’ll have to draft women too and they’ll take my daughter over my dead, cold body.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pmAs long as his, Mitt Romney’s and the rest of the Repuppetcans relatives are some of the first i’m all for it.
RIP
August 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
At least McCain and Charlie Rangle agree on something….
August 20th, 2008 at 2:15 pmgood_golly4
Are you saying that McCain’s answer is more than an embryo?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pmCheese and Crackers, that’s part of the move to occupy Russia on as many fronts as possible, so they’ll be less inclined to intervene on behalf of Iran. Poland, Georgia get hot while two additional aircraft carriers steam toward the Persian Gulf. It’s Operation Brimstone vs. Caspian Border Watch.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pmTired Of Fighting Says:
As long as his, Mitt Romney’s and the rest of the Repuppetcans relatives are some of the first i’m all for it.
McCain already has two sons on active duty. Mittens, not so much.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pmstateofthedivision Says:
——————————————————————————–
“This is what these political arseholes are coached to do, bear hug the questionner in a Clinton like “I feel your pain” gesture.”
Nice, The Clinton Did It Defense. That didn’t take long.
McCain the war monger, may be aware of the U.S. Israel surprise for Iran, but I guarantee he views it as a surgical strike and not an occassion for all out war.
You guarantee he views that as a surgical strike???? So what? What you, or grampy thinks is inmaterial. He doesn’t care who he bombs or who gets hurt as long as he gets to take naps in the oval office.
John is trying to resonate with the town hall attendee before moving on and making the points he already planned to share.
So you admit he doesn’t listen, he just nods his head and goes back to his talking points. Why have a “townhall meeting” then?
And quit calling these staged, packed photo ops townhall meetings. Real townhall meetings involve having open discussions and engages opposing points of view and letting everyone have their complete say on the matters at hand.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pmSee Daryll when you go to far you blow the charade.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm+ extra o
August 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pmDaryll, are you still considering buying a male hooker the next time you go out of town? You don’t have to worry about catching AIDs there are ways to engage in safe sex.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pmDaryll Says:
Either they comply with the government or prepare to be incarcerated. You might want to move to Canada or the U.K.
Look in the mirror. You’ll see a person with an outstanding warrant for his arrest.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pmDraft today…No draft tommorow. McStoopid is THE original flipper/flopper…must have been somthing in Vietcong tap water.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:21 pmDaryll Says:
Either they comply with the government or prepare to be incarcerated. You might want to move to Canada or the U.K.
Or they get five deferments because they had better things to do at that time.
Shoot yourself. Seriously you really think that the rich are gonna offer up their spoiled-assed kids, or go to jail?
Idiot
RIP
August 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
A draft sounds great right about now! I’ll take a pint of Anchor Steam! What? McCain was talking about drafting PEOPLE? What is he farking nuts??!! Oh yeah, never mind…
Hey aren’t George Bush’s daughters within the draft parameters?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pmDarryl, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:24 pmRepublicans won’t have the national guard to hide in this time around.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pmDaryll Says:
——————————————————————————–
MCMetal Says:
——————————————————————————–
Asked about the draft last September, McCain said, “I might consider it, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”
Does this stupid wrinkled old fu(k truly believe that I would allow my niece and/or nephew to be unwillingly dragged into a clusterfu(k of his making , were the GOP to steal another presidential election ?
NOT A CHANCE IN HELL…………..
August 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pm Recommend (1) | Report Abuse
——————————————————————————–
Either they comply with the government or prepare to be incarcerated. You might want to move to Canada or the U.K.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Perhaps morons like yourself should enlist for those who are idiotic war-mongers , instead of cheerleading and posting stupid shit on a site where you looked upon as an absolute imbecile …………..You coward.
BTW
They will be incarcerated well after those who have broken a mountain of laws these last 8 years while disgracing the name and reputation of the US and lying constantly to the American people from safely inside the White House are………
August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pmWhen is Obama going to start to campaign with passion (as Krugman says)? Obama has to start working harder. I am not surprised at this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080820/ts_nm/usa_poll_politics_dc because Obama is trying so hard to show the beltway elites that he is one of them that he is frittering away his base. He needs to start having ads that show mccain for what he is. If Obama thinks that attack ads would sully his reputation, then he is just another stalking horse for getting the rethugs back in. I never felt that Kerry was running to win, and have not been convinced that Obama is running to win.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pm“Real townhall meetings involve having open discussions and engages opposing points of view and letting everyone have their complete say on the matters at hand.”
Exactly, now anyone who would care to express an opposing view is sequestered in chain link enclosures like political prisioners or jumped by 3 or 4 guys and dragged from the event.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pmDaryll the superstitious idiot says – You might want to move to Canada or the U.K.
Not a good idea, too close to the USA, and the radiation from those nukes will consume the Northern Hemisphere, as in most everyone dies. So, south America or Southern Pacific Islands might give you a fighting change to survive.
If Grampy McInsane gets in the White House it will be “game over” for the USA.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pmHow old are you Daryll? They’ll draft up to 40. And why isn’t Meagan serving? The world could live without her blogging.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:26 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
——————————————————————————–
Tired Of Fighting Says:
As long as his, Mitt Romney’s and the rest of the Repuppetcans relatives are some of the first i’m all for it.
I’m talking about his daughter’s. I did (3) tours in Iraq (1) in Afghanistan and my daughter will be leaving for her first tour in April, so I could care less about McCains son’s serving I will be willig to bet that they ARE NOT going out on patrol everyday.
RIP
August 20th, 2008 at 2:26 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Cheese and Crackers, I want our leaders to solve world problems without violence. I want the ridiculous kajillions spent on weapons beaten into plowshares. I want governments around the world to work on behalf of their people. But, apparently it doesn’t matter what I want….
August 20th, 2008 at 2:27 pm“Blah, blah, incarcerated”. Leave it to a professed religious freak to be ignorant of “conscientious objector” status.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:27 pmNope, I think it’s something in the Budweiser. Tonight on CNN they actually confront McCain on the discrepancies between his story of his first marriage and the actual court documents. I know, CNN! Who would have thunk.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:28 pmSince when can someone make a declaritve statement and then claim it to be opinion? 2 years. Atleast throw some bones as to what sequence of events gave the opinion this timeline…
August 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pmCracker,
Please sign out, troll. You serve no purpose.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:30 pmBobwurst, not sure where you thought I was coming from, but I’m glad you got to deliver your points.
Given the world’s current nightmare of leadership, John McCain is beelzebub himself. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t been trained in the art of public interaction to minimize his horns.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pmGeee, have to dust off some of the ol’ songs from the 1960’s
Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again
he’s got himself in stuck in a crack
way over yonder in ol’ Iraq
so put down your books and pick up a gun we’re
gonna have a whole lotta fun
(CHORUS)
And it’s 1, 2, 3, what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me I don’t give a quack
Next stop is good ol’ Iraq
And it’s 5, 6, 7, open up the pearly gates
Ain’t no use to wonder why
WHOOOPEEEE We’re all gonna die?
Come on generals, let’s move fast
your big chance has come at last
you can go out and get those Muslim reds
cos the only good Muslim is the one that’s dead
and you know that peace can only be won when we’ve
blown ‘em all to kingdom come
Come on wall street don’t be slow
why man this war is a go-go
there’s plenty good money to be made by
supplying the army with the tools of its trade
let’s hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
they drop it on the them Islam
Come on mothers don’t turn your back
pack your boys off to ol’ Iraq
come on fathers don’t hesitate
send your sons off before it’s too late
and you can be the first ones on your block
to have your boy come home in a box
And it’s 1, 2, 3, what are we fighting for?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:32 pmDon’t ask me I don’t give a quack
Next stop is good ol’ Iraq
And it’s 5, 6, 7, open up the pearly gates
Ain’t no use to wonder why
WHOOOPEEEE We’re all gonna die!
Cheese and Crackers Says:
Yes, and I want to breath under water and sleep on a cloud.
OK, well, practice makes perfect. Get to it, and remember, 5 minute intervals under water.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:32 pmCheese, don’t ask if you don’t want to know.
And how many people made fun of people over the millenium with similar visions, MLK, Ghandi, etc.? Add your name to the list.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
——————————————————————————–
Tired Of Fighting Says:
As long as his, Mitt Romney’s and the rest of the Repuppetcans relatives are some of the first i’m all for it.
McCain already has two sons on active duty. Mittens, not so much.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
And one of them is in the Navy (he going to battle against al Qaeda’s non-existent fleet?)………….And the other hasseen zero combat action and was in Iraq for 7 months ; why does he get a 7 month tour and all other soldiers get 15 ?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pmCheese and Crackers:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pmDo you believe you have access to all the available info relative to any videos or are you working only off that which was released to the US media?
Daryll Says:
Either they comply with the government or prepare to be incarcerated. You might want to move to Canada or the U.K.
Yesterday you were saying doctors should break the law.
You are as consistent as jello on a rollercoaster ride.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pmAfter McCain is elected and the 2nd Cold War is in full swing, after Bush’s police state becomes fully implemented and the Democratic Congress rolls over and plays dead, after the oil companies further consolidate their hold on power, and after the draft is reestablished the American people can look back and smile and say, “job well done” we’ve finally turned the tables on our adversaries by becoming the evil empire we riled against.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pmToday at a townhall meeting, an audience member praised Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for his vow to “follow bin Laden to the gates of hell.”
QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
This was not a scripted exchange, no way.
And, wasn’t it McWeirdo’s daddy georgie who said:
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
August 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pm- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
He’s either dead, or because he knows that certain avenues of releasing his videos have been compromised (this information being released by the Bush Administration to score political points and thus negating its future use), he is now relying on different methods of getting his message across.
But go ahead and believe that he’s dead… makes it easier to proclaim Putin the Bogeyman..
August 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pmTired Of Fighting Says:
I did (3) tours in Iraq (1) in Afghanistan and my daughter will be leaving for her first tour in April,
My God! Thank you…you and your daughter are heroes, I hope she stays safe
so I could care less about McCains son’s serving I will be willig to bet that they ARE NOT going out on patrol everyday.
My point was, McCain’s children do serve in a volunteer force. And since females are not required to even register for the draft, I doubt they would be drafted. Our social evolution has not come that far since the 70’s, I do not believe.
As far as his sons not going out on patrol, one is in the Navy, so no. The other is a Marine…impossible to say but the McCain family history of military service is not one of dodging danger or duty, in all fairness.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
——————————————————————————–
stateofthedivision Says:
Cheese and Crackers, I want our leaders to solve world problems without violence. I want the ridiculous kajillions spent on weapons beaten into plowshares. I want governments around the world to work on behalf of their people. But, apparently it doesn’t matter what I want….
——————————————————-
Yes, and I want to breath under water and sleep on a cloud.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
You should want more to not be an arrogant d0uchebag and a complete fu(king moron ; but miracles tend to rarely occur …….
August 20th, 2008 at 2:37 pmCheese, and your buddy Jesus?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pmI’m pretty sure you CAN breathe under water. You just have to believe. Please go give it a try and let us know how it goes.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:38 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
All kinds of stupid sh*t.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pmCracker, what previous names did you post under?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm#
Daryll Says:
OT, hey there Daryll, why’d you “Cut and Run” from the transgender thread? It’s more up your alley than anything to do with foreign or domestic military policy.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
——————————————————————————–
stateofthedivision,
I still make fun of Ghandi.
He was a fool.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
As opposed to your unabashed brilliance ?
You make Corky from the TV “Life Goes On” seem like a combination of Churchill and FDR…………..
August 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pmI just don’t want to be the bad guys anymore. The war on terror is a complete farce. The elections are rigged. The sheeple stuff their faces with food from Sam’s and watch SVU.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:40 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
——————————————————————————–
At least McCain and Charlie Rangle agree on something….
Yes, but for different reasons.
Rangle wanted a draft in order to stop a war.
McCain would want a draft in order to start more wars.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pmKeloti at Night sez:
As far as his sons not going out on patrol, one is in the Navy, so no. The other is a Marine…impossible to say but the McCain family history of military service is not one of dodging danger or duty, in all fairness.
McCain certainly couldn’t dodge those powerlines…
August 20th, 2008 at 2:42 pmCheese and Crackers:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:42 pmDo you have anything other than opinions?
The FINAL nail in the coffin of the insane McCain campaign.
How many parents are going to offer up their kids as cannon fodder for empire?
Put down your books,
and pick up a gun,
we’re going to have a whole lotta fun.
What are we fighting for?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pmDon’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
the next stop is Iraqnam.
Forced to take a Republican position on the Draft McFlipflop dropped his drawers and bent over.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:44 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
——————————————————————————–
MCMetal Says:
You make Corky from the TV “Life Goes On” seem like a combination of Churchill and FDR………….
——————————————–
I’ve never seen (or even heard of) that program.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
And that makes a difference , how ?
Want me to sum it up quite easily ?
You’re a fu(king moron……………….
August 20th, 2008 at 2:44 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
As far as his sons not going out on patrol, one is in the Navy, so no. The other is a Marine…impossible to say but the McCain family history of military service is not one of dodging danger or duty, in all fairness.
His son, the marine, was in Iraq 7 months, and did no combat assignments, while everyone else was given at least a 15 mo tour.
My son, however, has done 3 tours, my sister did 2 before getting wounded.
I suspect his son got off light because daddy is a Senator.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:48 pmYeah, well, so what if McCain agrees we’d need a draft? I feel better about him since I found out that his vote for “enhanced interrogation techniques” was not in conflict with his history as a victim of torture, since, according to Bush administration definitions, McCain wasn’t tortured in Vietnam.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pmSince the Republics have politicized all departments within the Govt., it is only fitting that the Democrats do the same, after their landslide victories in Nov. The draft will be reinstated, however, only those professing to be Republics will be drafted. This would be the only fair thing to do, especially since Republics claim to be more patriotic than Democrats.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pmRight wingers are cowards that look to BIG GOVT to protect them from imaginary and inflated bogeymen.
Were they all abused by their fathers or something?
Why are they all such huge sissies?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:53 pmSomehow I don’t think we got the whole story from McCain as to his views on draft reinstatement based on this one little snippet. He sounds more like he’s acquiescing to the questioner than stating a position.
That said, there is a valid argument for draft reinstatement — especially if the invasion of other countries turns out to be more than just a Bush fad.
I remember that one of the reasons why so many people actively protested our involvement in Vietnam was that they realized THEY could be fighting it. It’s much easier to be apathetic about a war when you know it’s somebody else’s problem. If we ever do get the draft reinstated (and I doubt that will happen anytime soon, because it would be political suicide for anyone advocating it), one of the benefits is that it would light a fire under the bread-and-circuses crowd.
I have several points to make in an argument in favor of the draft. However, my main argument against it is that a draft would ONLY be acceptable if EVERYONE of draftable age is subject to it. Men and women. Gays and straights. Rich and poor. Well-connected and not connected at all. No deferments. The only exceptions would be people who are physically or mentally handicapped to be unsuitable.
But we all know that no matter what system is put into place, the rich and the powerful will find a way around it, and it will be the proletariat who are turned into cannon fodder. Just like it is now.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:55 pmInteresting question RantingTommy, are they such huge sissies because they listen to Limbaugh and O’Reilly or do they listen to Limbaugh and O’Reilly because they are such huge sissies?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:56 pmn June, McCain said it would take an “all-out World War III” to make the draft necessary
son of a gun if the neocons don’t announce the start of the new Big One WWIII almost every month. Can there be any doubt that it would be acted on in a mccain-the-insane presidency.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pmRound-heeled trollop McKane will agree with anything and anybody in front of an audience. He craves approval like a…a..celebrity craves applause. Yeah that’s it a needy neurotic celebrity.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:03 pmSomehow I don’t think we got the whole story from McCain as to his views on draft reinstatement based on this one little snippet. He sounds more like he’s acquiescing to the questioner than stating a position.
That’s exactly the problem with Flippy McSpin. His entire campaign has consisted of “acquiescing to the questioner” and, when he does actually manage to state a position, it’s in direct opposition to an earlier position.
The poor guy has so completely hollowed himself out that I bet he’d fly away in a stiff breeze.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:08 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
I remember that one of the reasons why so many people actively protested our involvement in Vietnam was that they realized THEY could be fighting it. It’s much easier to be apathetic about a war when you know it’s somebody else’s problem. If we ever do get the draft reinstated (and I doubt that will happen anytime soon, because it would be political suicide for anyone advocating it), one of the benefits is that it would light a fire under the bread-and-circuses crowd.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
________
Exactly. People pay a lot more attention to our country’s wars when we’re actually involved. That is, more than just being told to “go shopping.”
August 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Exactly. People pay a lot more attention to our country’s wars when we’re actually involved. That is, more than just being told to “go shopping.”
Agree with you. I believe the thinking (HA!) behind the “go shopping” comment from Georgie Boy was that he’d been told about a great new Fundie book, “The Purchase Driven Life”
Sorry, don’t mean to make light of a serious subject, but this is exactly why I’m raising my child as a Quaker. I want him to have the option of being a conscientious objector should we have a GOPer in the White House when it’s time to register.
PEACE (and I really mean it!)
August 20th, 2008 at 3:17 pmIn June, McCain said it would take an “all-out World War III” to make the draft necessary — which seems to mean he’d consider it. In July 2006, when asked to react to Newt Gingrich’s claim that “You’d have to say to yourself this is in fact World War III,” McCain said, “I do [agree] to some extent.”
The only reason we don’t already have a draft is because an all volunteer army places the burden of imperialism on the backs of the poor and working class.
If our wars were just and necessary then there should be a draft so that the burden of fighting them would fall on everybody.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pmMissHMolly @#97
~The only exceptions would be people who are physically or mentally handicapped to be unsuitable.
~
You realize, of course, that the second clause would excuse 94% of all Republics, don’t you?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pmIf our wars WERE just and necessary folks would be breaking the doors down to enlist like they did in WWII.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:44 pmHas anybody here seen the movie “Stop-Loss”? If you haven’t, I recommend it — whether you are progressive or conservative.
Fact is — we ALREADY have a draft. A “back door” draft. Unfortunately, those who are being drafted are those who have already served their country, which isn’t fair. We talk a lot about our “all volunteer” military, while conveniently ignoring one thing — when a soldier is forced to serve beyond the term he volunteered for, he’s no longer a volunteer.
So as long as we’re drafting those already serving, why not extend the draft to all able-bodied people? Not only would we relieve some of the pressure on those who need the relief most, we would be spreading a heavy load around to more people. Furthermore, I’d like to see our leaders make these testosterone-laden decisions to invade foreign countries asking themselves if the cause is worth the lives of their sons, daughters, or grandchildren.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pmVery true on both your recent posts, molly. If the U.S. military were held to a strict “truth in advertising” law, their commercials would say:
“The U.S. Military. It’s not a job. It’s a life-sentence“.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:58 pmAbsolutely right, Shayne. How many stories have we heard of kids who lied about their age so they could enlist at fifteen or sixteen to fight the Germans?
How many film stars and athletes enlisted and earned decorations in battle?
It’s not because their generation was so much greater than ours, it was that they had a clear enemy and objective, and their president asked the entire nation to sacrifice. He didn’t suggest they just “go shopping”.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pmEveryone should know that McCain will draft all our young people to fight the hundred years’ war in Iraq, the perpetual war in Russia, and the cold war.
Obama camp — are you preparing your ad? You had better!!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm“the US military. It’s not just a job. It’s a death sentence!”
Fixed it for you pete.
:-o
August 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pmI believe that at the same town hall meeting (McCain can only handle one per day) he was asked about health care.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pmA woman whose husband was uninsurable had to go out of the country for his care, and she could afford to do so.
McCain’s reply was incoherent. First he said everyone should have the ability to purchase health care; then he switched to say government programs would cover everyone’s health care; then he thanked her for her service.
The man is not functioning adequately. He must not be elected, no matter what the RNC and Karl Rove do. He must be defeated.
The pastured antibiotic chickens I used to go are swell and pair nicely with a salad of baby field greens but I am not so much into the insect thing but I haven’t really had much exposure. You do have to adjust cooking temperatures with a fresh nonindustrially produced bird though. What the hell is Zed Lefflin talking about?…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pmbetter stick free after antibiotic. Thanks-
August 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pmI think Zed is saying anyone who charges us for oil is a terrorist. He must be talking about Exxon or Chevron.
OT.
I left a reply for you here db.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-takes-%E2%80%98hands-off-approach%E2%80%99-in-drafting-of-gop-platform/#comment-5171390
August 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pmI usually don’t make predictions, but…..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pmif mcsame gets in (shudder) I’d be willing to bet a dozen donuts there will be a draft.
And Zed, if you get any more abstract, I’ll need my decoder ring.
triple prick and darnell on the front line. anyone?
tony and lido
They teach animal husbandry and butchery in boot camp? I didn’t know that.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pmTrace and Zed… has Faux News contacted you guys about a late night comedy series yet?
I hear they have an open slot where the “Half-Hour News Hour” used to run…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:29 pmTracy with an IQ of 47;
August 20th, 2008 at 5:49 pmI should know, I speak from first-hand personal experience.
Because I WAS in the military-with no small thanks to the draft.
I learned to fillet a fish at age four. I was winter camping at six. I shot my first duck at 9. And, I’ve honed my survival skills over 40 years, as well as spending some time on a farm. In all that time I’ve only had to rescue one person. He was a Marine who had just finished his enlistment yet hadn’t learned that, if one falls down in waste-deep water? Stand up! Somewhere along the line, someone had erroneously told him to scream and fill his lungs with water.
And most people, in civilized countries, don’t dirty themselves with food in its natural state, yet, the barbarians are no closer to taking over. So I guess I fail to see the rationality of the argument.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pmUncle Ho.
Did you learn how to raise/catch critters, and butcher them, in boot camp?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:03 pmShayne said:
If our wars WERE just and necessary folks would be breaking the doors down to enlist like they did in WWII.
Except that there was a draft in WWII.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 20th, 2008 at 6:03 pmHere, I think this sums it up:
John McCain in 60 seconds
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pmpete; not boot camp, survival techniques came later.
Trace; ask your brother and others how much THEY APPRECIATE repeated and extended tours and STOP-LOSS.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pmTHEN BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!
Zed Lefflin Says
August 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Exxon and Chevron should be in your prayers every night because if there were no fuel to take your food from the farm to KFC, McDonald’s or Domino’s you would either have to raise it, steal it or go without!
________________________________________________________
If there was no Exxon or Chevron, there would be other oil companies. If there was no oil, we would have some other system that allowed us to get around and allowed goods to be transported. Technological societies are like that — innovation tends to happen around what’s available.
Oil isn’t an absolute, nor is it a Hobson’s choice. Yet the oil companies (as well as their apologists) want us to think just that, and they do everything they possibly can to ensure they remain the only player in the game.
Of course, the day will come when the planet runs out of oil. And we really WILL be stuck having to raise our own livestock because nobody will have developed an acceptable alternative form of energy.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pmThe British Army, on the other hand, may be able to teach me some new tricks. I think they spend about a month learning unconventional methods of brewing tea.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pmWe really won’t need a draft. Remember what McCain said a couple of weeks ago? Despite SAYING he will follow Bin Laden to the Gates of Hell to get him, he draws the line at going into Pakistan, because it’s a “Sovereign Country”.
Problem solved!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pmnobillary Says:
QUESTIONER: If we don’t reenact the draft, I don’t think we’ll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.
We really won’t need a draft. Remember what McCain said a couple of weeks ago? Despite SAYING he will follow Bin Laden to the Gates of Hell to get him, he draws the line at going into Pakistan, because it’s a “Sovereign Country”.
Problem solved!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Obviously, Hell can’t be in a “sovereign nation” because, the “general will of the people” would make Satan seek a new location. Nope. Hell must, by definition, be in an unsovereign unnation.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:26 pmSo I take it you don’t buy the Bush/McCain criticism of Russia’s action, since one may presume that the hostile action of Georgia against South Ossetia made its sovereignty “irrelevant”?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:51 pmMcCain’s sons probably have an office job. McCain doesn’t have to worry about waking up and hearing the bad news.
The question is would George W send his daughters to Iraq to fight? Is the war really that important to him?
I’m 20 yrs old, and there’s no well in hell I’m going to fight for these Republican scum bags. I know a lot of people my age feel the same way. Hopefully, they vote.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:21 pmYou can still hold an office job in the military, that was my point.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:27 pmI’m still draft age eligble. When I saw this the 1st thing I thought was I’m glad I was diagnosed with deadly condition. Ironic how things work.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:49 pmTracy__5 Says:
South Ossetia is not a soverign nation and never has been.
Neither was Kosovo…but Iraq was.
Face facts Tracy. Georgia’s hot headed Leaders, counting on Non Existant Western Backing, launched a military Attack against Civilian targets in South Osetia, and killed Russian peace keeping troops. What were they thinking???
Russia, who was widely known to be looking for an excuse to go after Georgia, responded with overwhelming force.(Powell doctrine). Russian troops actually harmed very few civilians. Most of the horror stories involved “Militias” eager for revenge and ethnic cleansing. Russian troops are probably putting a stop to these atrocities, in most cases.
Now Bush is throwing fuel on the fire, by agreeing to put missles (which haven’t even been developed) to supposedly counter Iranian Missles ( which haven’t even been developed) and throwing in patriot missiles whose range makes them only usefull against the Russians.
What the hell is the matter with these people????
August 20th, 2008 at 8:00 pmTrace; my last post of the night.
I knew some guys that were stop-lossed during Vietnam. They didn’t whine, THEY WERE ROYALLY PISSED OFF. and would have fragged the s.o.b. that ordered the stop-loss.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:24 pm“Notice also how he dismissed the entire issue of substandard treatment of veterans. Did he say anything about how he was going to fix that, no.”
I noticed that everyone here also dismissed this issue. You all heard the word “draft” and flipped out! If you really read the question that was asked, you will find that her point was that no one will volunteer for the military if the government does not fix the problems at the VA, to which McCain agreed. I know we all like to pounce on Republicans when they take statements out of context, so how about we take the high road? Stooping to the level of the neo-cons only makes us as bad as them. I did not find anything offensive in the question, or the response. What I do find offensive is the twisting of this woman’s question to make her look like a neo-con plant endorsing the draft!
I’d like to see bin Laden brought to justice as well, and I think the lady is right, if we don’t start taking care of the troops we have, we’ll find our volunteer army a thing of the past!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:53 pmI think it’s hilarious how no one mentions the fact that the lady’s comment was specific to her dissapointment in this nations health care, particularly for veterans. In context, she was saying that with the way vets are treated, no one will want to join the armed forces; hence, if no one joins, she facetiously said we’ll have to reinstitute the draft.
The fact that I had to actually explain that to you dolts is pathetic. This is a perfect example of ideologues at their best: manipulating with straw man arguments and taking statements out of context. No wonder this country is losing ground to China and other nations. We’re stacked with idiots who can’t even follow along to comprehend a simple comment at a Townhall.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:57 pmWait, so we’re supposed to acknowledge that he supports all of those things that won’t lose him the election and to just somehow know (unless we’re dolts) that he actually doesn’t mean the last thing she said which would certainly lose everything he’s gained in a heartbeat? And then we’re supposed to buy all of the hideous smears against Obama? You’re right, genius it’s so obvious. Man, really, thanks for the clarification. By the way, how the hell did you hear anything facetious in her tone or her actual words?
MCCAIN–Killing your Children for the next 8, why not 100, years.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:35 pmSorry, trace. I should have taken your intelligence level into account and made my statement clearer. I was speaking of Georgia’s sovereignty. The Russians invaded South Ossetia, which Georgia considered its sovereign territory, but they also invaded Georgia proper, thus indisputably violating Georgia’s sovereignty.
Sorry for the confusion. I understand how you misinterpreted what I wrote. If you’re more concerned with “scoring points” than with exchanging ideas, that can happen.
What’s sad is that, even with your overwhelming concern for “scoring points” you never seem to actually score any.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:09 amYou people all have to be kidding me worried that If Mc cain gets elected there will be a draft come on ……. It doesnt matter which idiot gets elected we are sooooo screwed we have spent the last 25 years pissing more people off than a legit cop in a west hollywood crack house … Draft no draft it doesnt matter you know all you people CRYING Not my kids do me a favor go to the nearest door stick your head in the doorjam and slam the door 2 or 3 times real hard . I have 2 sons that are in the military and both served their first tours and vol.for 2 more . I myself served 17 yrs in the USMC Beruit Panama desert storm and Bosnia .All this whoa is me crap aint doing squat but pissin other people off dont cry about it do something about it …
August 21st, 2008 at 12:22 amVeterans have always received the short end of the stick when it comes to taking care of them. It amazes me that we have as many people as we do serving in the military today. It is not like the military doesn’t get the funding. Time and time again we hear Democrats are weak on defense because they want to cut funding or question the so called leadership. Republicans seem to think they are the party of defense. Fine give them that title and hold them to account as to where all that money is going to. War is a racket and the Republicans as well as the Democrats have no problem milking it for all it is worth. What does it say about an administration that would rather pay twice as much for mercenaries to do work the military is more than capable of doing? When are those in the military going to stand up to this type of treatment? Wonder how the war hawks would react if all their weaponry is pointing right back at them for a change?
August 21st, 2008 at 12:54 amReader’s Digest – September 2008
John McCain
[QUOTE][B]Q[/B]: [I]A reader question on another topic: A mother of a 21-year-old son wants to know where you stand on the military draft.[/I][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]A[/B]: I am opposed to a draft. I think it is unfair to the lowest-income Americans. I think the nature of the 21st-century military requires extensive training, which doesn’t lend itself to short-term service. Finally, or all volunteer force is the most efficient and most professional and best equipped. The problem is that they are too small. We need to expand the size of the military, not go for the draft.[/QUOTE]
August 21st, 2008 at 3:25 amAttention. Could we have a poll out there? How many of you would vote for a President who would reinstate the draft. Parents and childred included.
August 21st, 2008 at 3:28 amObama supporters at this time must stop to consider a few things.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:31 am1. When things were going badly in Iraq before the surge it was the Democratic Congress who brought up reviving the Draft. Do not be so quick on the draw to think that Obama should he become President will not do so. He would have to because all of his talk about sitting down and talking things out with other countries is just talk. My biggest worry is that he will screw thing up so badly we will be under attack and unable to muster the troops fast enough to protect ourselves.
2. I am a parent with a daughter presently serving in Afghanistan and who has served in Iraq also. I think the draft would be a good idea kind of share the wealth with the rest of you as you are so fond of sharing things.
3. Vote for Obama and you can almost guarantee a return of the draft and if you think the death toll will not be high think again. Obama cannot and will not listen to the Military Commanders on the ground and that will make you expendable. Change a Change you can believe in Obama who’s judgment is so lacking you to can have fun in the sandboxes of the world.
When your only solution is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
If being tortured for 5+ years by the North Vietnamese qualifies McCain to be the next president then there are more than 250 current and former Gitmo detainees from Afganistan who are qualified to be the next Afgan president.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:47 amShayne Says:
——————————————————————————–
How old are you Daryll? They’ll draft up to 40. And why isn’t Meagan serving? The world could live without her blogging.
Hey, don’t confuse Daryll the Shill. “40″ is his IQ.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:55 amJace….you bought those Neocon lies, hook, line and sinker! We don’t NEED a draft…what we don’t need, is about 4 wars going on at the same time. McCain doesn’t want to talk, he wants to bomb, bomb, bomb…even made up a cute little song about it:) Actually, he didn’t make it up, he ripped it off from the Beach Boys, but what else is new. You should be pleased when someone says they want to be diplomatic first…do you punish YOUR children BEFORE you know if they can understand why you’re upset at them?? Hope not.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:16 amThis is actually kind of making me laugh. I’ve wanted to join the AF and go into the pilot program for years but I can’t because I’m deaf and now to read that he might try and bring a draft back just puts a smile on my face.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:27 amAccording to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
“Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%”
Someone should tell the women that 911 was an inside job and that invading a country to get OBL is just plain stupid even if it wasn’t.
This is McCain mentality.
Silly Neocons and thier silly false flag incidents and stupid Coporate wars.
It is the ignorant in this country like this ignorant fearful women that allow this to happen.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:55 amTracy__5 – Your relatives in the military who dislike the stop-loss policy but wouldn’t “whine” about it are not being supported by citizens who do not advocate on their behalf. It is well-known those within the military ask for very little in return for their service, and will endure whatever hardships are thrust upon them with a minimum of resistance: They are the wheel that stops itself from squeaking but needs the grease most. It is therefore the responsibility of civilians to press the government for things like veteran’s health care, especially with a volunteer army. Your attitude that support for the military means allowing whatever administration is in power to abuse them is nonsensical. Sometimes those in the military are constrained from publicly criticizing policies, which makes it the obligation of the citizenry to do so, both morally and in our own interests. You are advocating for an unhappy military suffering in obsequious silence, which is NOT “supporting the troops,” but being complicit in their abuse.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:32 pmIn exchange for money, the politicians have agreed to let your kids be killed. For the last several years, many of them have been accepting money from American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a supposed lobbying group that stands exposed as a spy operation for a foreign government, in order to promote that foreign government’s agenda, which includes war in the Middle East, waged against that foreign government’s enemies
“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. … Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite [foreign nation] are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.” – George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 amI’m of draft age, and if anyone thinks i will risk/lay down my life for an illegal, prejudiced and warped war that was jump-started by lies and fuelled by avarice… they’ve got something else comin’. If it doesn’t matter which candidate we vote for, then there’s a serious problem here, don’t you think? What amazes me is the fact that people are easy to write down comments in order to defend their opinion on 2.5 min videos posted online. But when it comes to walking down the street and showing their discontent… well, the street’s empty. Is it a problem with our generation?
What is the point where people will realise that they are the only ones that should be making a difference? When will we realise that the government has taken too much control and the problem of freedom isn’t so far abroad as Afghanistan, but right here, in the good ol’ USofA? What is freedom? What is this concept we say we’re fighting for? I believe that if those in Afghanistan are fighting as hard as they are, it means that they are fighting for an ideal that is important to them, as a people and as individuals. That is more than i can say for us. The US, being a country divided by opposing feelings about the “war,” then we’ve already lost. I truly think that our eyes have been veiled and we need a serious awakening because there is no way i am about to believe that we are “free” to do as we like. Hell, we can’t even walk about dogs on the beach without having them on a leash!! This might be a lame example, but honestly, is there even one square inch of the US land where there isn’t a sign post giving us rules and telling us what to do?
And i would really appreciate if either Jace or someone else could show me proof, either video or (credible) article supporting the claim that Obama wants to reinstate the draft. I’m very sceptical about this claim.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 amThis is a question that needs to be asked to John McCain by a reporter that won’t stand for a half-assed answer: `Do you support enacting a general draft for the Iraq War or any other future war?` … if yes, gasp and watch McCain’s poll numbers drop through the floor … if no, ask the follow-up question: `How do you expect the military to continue at the current pace after so many of our troops have already exceeded any reasonable quota of extended tours of duty?` … yes, its a loaded question, but one worth getting an answer to — then wait for his response …
August 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pmWhat? Both might make a draft? Great… This country was’nt screwed up already? Might as well make “Blow up america” before Mcscrew follows US to the gates of hell!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:14 amMcCain does not FLIP FLOP when voting for the American Military – He always votes against them:
John McCain claims that his military service is one of his qualifications to be commander in chief. I seriously doubt his dedication to the American military. His voting record shows his lack of concern for our bravest men and women.
John McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq.
John McCain in September 2007: voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.
John McCain in July 2007: voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq.
John McCain in March 2007 was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all-combat troops within one year.
John McCain in February 2007 didn’t even bother to show up to vote against a resolution condemning it. For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote for it.
John McCain in June 2006, voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.
John McCain in May 2006, voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
John McCain in April 2006, was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
John McCain in March 2006, voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
John McCain in March 2004, once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans’ medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans’ needs.
John McCain in October 2003, voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
John McCain in April 2003, urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
If he believes that we should stay the course for as long as possible he should be willing to support the people he puts in harms way.
John McCain is not a friend of the American Military.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pmGot the right… John Mcocaine makes all his people think he’s the next surpreme of the Military… Do we want a liar for a president? Friggin Brier is a better idea for the Oval office!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:13 pmMcWarmonger, McClueless, McNuts, McAlzeimers, McBush.
He is just a money hungry wealthy elitist, wanting war for his own personal gain/profit. He is the text book definition of a typical power hungry politician and has zero interest of helping the average folk.
Under his vision we should all sign up, or be drafted, march off to war, come home with no benefits/help (see what happened to WW1 Vets & look at his own personal voting record), same corporate tax cuts, no jobs (outsourcing), maybe we should all start building tents & build McCainvilles (like Hoovervilles) and just prepare ourselves to be homeless. McBush doesn’t even understand the economy for crying out loud!
September 17th, 2008 at 2:10 pmRegardless of what you all think of McCain or Obama here is the truth. Our country has become a weak nation with entitlement written across our foreheads. While our dear soldiers have to serve three back to back tours and we go on in our normal existence not feeling any effects of a war. I would gladly go if drafted and you selfish Americans have forgotten how this country was formed. The time has come when the burden of these idiots, Dems and Reps, must be bailed out by the sweat, blood, and tears of our people. Who are you to disgrace all that have died for pointless wars by saying that if called upon by your country you wouldn’t go. We have made this mess in Iraq and if we back away now like Obama wants we will see an Iran twice as strong and evil. I never agreed with going into Iraq, but the burden is on us now. We had over half a million troops just to push Iraq out of Kuwait during Desert Storm. Now we are trying to occupy a country with 120,000. The bottom line is a draft is needed and we have prolonged to long. If a draft does happen, it is about time we felt the pain of this war that our great soldiers have worn on their shoulders for five years. If we were held accountable from the beginning we wouldn’t have entered Iraq. Instead we sat in our homes and forgot all about this war and now we will pay the price when Obama gets elected. It is in this day in age when a man like Ron Paul who is a true American in the sense of liberty is labeled a crazy, and our country is so weak that I truly believe that even if an Iranian tank rolled across the Canadian border this country now filled with obese citizens would sit on their asses and not lift a finger. I am growing disgusted to see myself as one of the few true Americans!!!!!!!!!
…Excuse my grammar I am to upset to double check it!!!!!
October 3rd, 2008 at 5:18 pmObama sounds more like he wants the draft and since Biden believes they will be “tested” that really scares me.
But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.
listen to Obama’s comments at the 911 presidential forum.
fast forward to 1:10:00 to get to his comments
October 31st, 2008 at 12:50 am
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=Presidential%20Forum%20at%20Columbia%20University&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
October 31st, 2008 at 12:53 am
We have made this mess in Iraq and if we back away now like Obama wants we will see an Iran twice as strong and evil. free monopoly slots I never agreed with going into Iraq, but the burden is on us now /free slots com John McCain in March 2004, once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans’ medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes
January 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 amHe tried his luck at slot tournaments…
January 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 am