Freedom Rebel Says:
Lobbyist Parties for Lawmakers Bend Rules
What’s the fun in only corrupting one lawmaker anyways, when we can corrupt a whole group of them.

Way more time/money efficient too huh? :)~
Good morning Freb :)

Good Evening Exit Stage Left :) Sorry to respond so late. I was out with some friends who are on vacation.

I hope you are having a good day…..

Thom Hartmann on Air America just said, not ten minutes ago, that Medicare has a 2% overhead.
I totally agree with what you said.

Way more time/money efficient too huh? :)~

Good morning Freb :)

Prediction: neither will John McCain, and no one will call him on it.

It’s time to let it go.

Fred, I totally agree.

But seeing as Gigi so appreciated the “honest and well reasoned answer” that she got from misshusseinmolly (no surprise there; misshusseinmolly’s answers are always honest and well-reasoned)

Make that mostly honest and well-reasoned. Yesterday’s thread about the Drum Major survey, and her response to it, showed she can be as uncritically accepting of unproven spin as anyone.

I’m optimistic that Gigi4 will be the model that has the “honest and well reasoned” upgrade installed.

I can dream, can’t I?

Until then, get the HELL out of my uterus.

But seeing as Gigi so appreciated the “honest and well reasoned answer” that she got from misshusseinmolly (no surprise there; misshusseinmolly’s answers are always honest and well-reasoned), I figured Gigi must be willing to offer the same kind of response she admires.

I haven’t seen it yet.

ralph the wonder llama Says:
Certainly, the majority of miscarriages are naturally-occurring, and should be treated as such. But given the circumstance that your preferred interpretation of human embryonic development, abortion would be outlawed as murder, yes? And in the absence of the option of legal abortion, some women will seek to induce miscarriages. These women would, under your plan, be guilty of murder too, right?

How should this practice be stopped?

If only gg would show 1/4 as much compassion for a child that has been born.

“Two-thirds of the working-age population was uninsured, underinsured, reported a medical bill problem or did not get needed health care because of cost in 2007.”

It’s just a convenient wedge issue to cloud the issues for the religious community. A religious community that needs to be held responsible for their own inconsistancies I might add.

gg and her co-horts could care less about the fetus they claim to be so concerned about.

If we cared, this would be private matters between patient, god(or morals) and their doctor, if we only had one.

good_golly4 Says:
Marie: Obama was asked to take a position on when human rights begin. A progressive who purports to be a champion of human rights should have a better answer than “that’s above my pay grade.”

Gigi, you have made clear your opinion that human rights begin at conception (the fact that the fact of conception is not known for several days, even weeks afterward doesn’t seem to affect your sense of certainty).

However, you have never, to my knowledge on this forum, recognized the wider legal implications of that stand. In fact you have studiously avoided dealing with some of them — particularly, how should the law treat a woman who has miscarried?

Certainly, the majority of miscarriages are naturally-occurring, and should be treated as such. But given the circumstance that your preferred interpretation of human embryonic development, abortion would be outlawed as murder, yes? And in the absence of the option of legal abortion, some women will seek to induce miscarriages. These women would, under your plan, be guilty of murder too, right?

How should this practice be stopped?

The latest Reuters/Zogby poll puts McCain up by 5 points. That will likely change during the DNC convention, but it helps to demonstrate how close this race is likely to be. Obama is going to have to come up with better answers to tough questions than “that’s above my pay grade.”

So can you document McCain’s medical expertise on this issue? Simply put, you’re obviously Pro-Life, so why would the answer of anyone who is Pro-Women’s Reproductive Rights sound good to you at all? McCain goes back on forth on pretty much every issue their is out there, and that is perfectly acceptable, I guess, if you catch him saying what you want to hear.

Seriously, I’m extremely embarrassed for TP. Years and years of never fixing one simple problem.

You’re website admin abilities are way more regressive than progressive.

Here’s a clue (albeit probably way over your heads):

TRY dot Net.

“Two-thirds of the working-age population was uninsured, underinsured, reported a medical bill problem or did not get needed health care because of cost in 2007.”

I pay $1300.00/month for what they call a cadillac policy. Yet they find ways to deny payments.

It is highway robbery and it is unjustifiable.

FDR said a conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs that refuses to walk forward. This time they have taken us backwards to the 30’s when no one had health care and they died.

We are dying again and the Americans that republicans talk about are not part of the working age population.

As a conservative who obviously believes that human rights begin at conception, are you going to push for the prosecution
of fertility clinic doctors for genocide?

Don’t expect an answer to that question from gg or John McCain. Of course, the right-wing evangelist declined to bring up such sticky subjects during his religious tests of the candidates, even though it is an obvious conundrum. Anti-choice people refuse to discuss the unmanageble consequences of their extremist demands. Had Warren asked that question of McCain, his head, along with the 5000 knuckleheads in the audience, would have exploded.

This is big stuff. The Bear has been playing a high stakes game of chess and it appears we’re poking him with a stick. Thank Bushco for weakening our military and world standing to the point where the Bear can and will do whatever it pleases. We waited until the Soviet Union weakened itself in Afganistan before Ronnie Raygun took false credit for its demise. Seems they have the advantage now.

WW3 could easily be a-brewin. (How bout another McLame post TP?)

BTW- It needs to be stressed how weak and ineffective
Condi(for a)Price has proven to be. The reight holds her in such high regard ya know.

Actually, it IS above Obama’s paygrade, and above that of every other mere human as well. The question boils down to “when does a fertilized egg become a human being?”

A fertilized egg at the moment of conception amounts to a blueprint and a cornerstone. Yet if you ask people if a building exists when the only ingredients are a blueprint and a cornerstone, most people would say no — it’s not a building until it’s built.

So when DOES that fertilized egg become a human being, and therefore entitled to human rights? We really don’t know. Only God knows that, which is why this question is outside the paygrade of Obama and everybody else. Obama doesn’t presume to be God. It was a fair answer.

McCain took the position of erring on the side of caution and claimed that it’s a human being at the moment of conception, and therefore entitled to human rights. This opens up a whole other can of legal worms — such as the use of IUD birth control devices being a capital crime, recognition of blastocysts as people (issued Social Security numbers, counted in the census, etc.), and all of our other laws that recognize citizens as soon as they are born. If McCain is truly in favor of going this route, I expect a lot of new legislation redefining “humans” in a McCain administration. Unless, of course, he is just pandering to evangelicals by telling them what they want to hear.

People shouldn’t have to choose between food, rent and healthcare. Now more than ever, we need a single payer plan that provides access to healthcare for all Americans.

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