Transgender woman denied job at Library of Congress.
Transgender woman denied job at Library of Congress.
The Washington Post reports today that Diane Schroer, a 52-year-old former Army Special Forces commander, “testified yesterday in federal court that she was ‘disappointed and dismayed‘ when an official at the Library of Congress rescinded a job offer even though she was the star candidate”:
During lunch, Schroer told Preece [the interviewer] she was undergoing the medical transition to become a woman. She also showed Preece photographs of what she looked like dressed as a woman to allay concerns Preece might have had about her workplace attire. … Preece told Schroer that “you have given me a lot to think about.” [...]
The next day, Preece called to tell Schroer that “after a long and sleepless night, I have determined you are not a good fit and not what we want,” Schroer testified.
After 9/11, “Schroer became director of a 120-member classified organization that tracked and targeted international terrorists. She routinely briefed the country’s top officials, including Vice President Cheney,” the Post notes.
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PEACE
August 20th, 2008 at 11:43 amgop.
still supporting
the troops.
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August 20th, 2008 at 11:46 amI can’t wait to see what Daryll has to say about this.
The only concern should be if a person can do the job or not. And it appears that Schroer must have been able to do the job if she briefed the VP.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:46 amSeriously, would everyone here be okay if she/he/it had opted to have a Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head as opposed to sewing up their coochie and hanging a fake weiner between their legs?
Trans-gender types really don’t, and probably never will, fit into society if they choose to make their “positions” known.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:47 amDieNowForPeace Says:
WOW! What a compassionate and Progressive thing to say. You must have a real phobia of transgendered people. Have you ever met one? Have you ever studied what creates their situation?
Your response would fit better at RedState or on Faux and Friends.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:53 amWow. That is blatant discrimination.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:53 amDieNowForPeace Says:
Seriously, would everyone here be okay if she/he/it had opted to have a Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head as opposed to sewing up their coochie and hanging a fake weiner between their legs?
Um, man to woman… And why should genitalia play a part in the hiring process for anyone? Sexual identity can’t really be compared with the desire to become a mythical beast.
As a woman, I’ve seen sexual discrimination in practice.
PEACE
August 20th, 2008 at 11:54 amRaynman,
We won’t see Daryll for a few hours yet. He is still getting his makeup off from his all-night trolling session in the MPLS AP Men’s room.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:55 amA government that discriminates against its own people. A government promoting tyranny against its own citizens.
Almost funny that conservatives lecture us about the ills of big guvmint when they’re in power making it happen.
I’m sure reasonable Americans will choose a big government over a bully government any day.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:55 amDarryl has got to stop hating America.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:57 amDieNowForPeace Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 11:47 am
You’re probably right about the fact that fitting into society is difficult for transgender people.
But that says more about us than it does them.
I’m a bit shocked at the first paragraph of your comment. :|
August 20th, 2008 at 11:58 amLooks like ACME just got Roadrunnered off the thread.
Beep Beep!
August 20th, 2008 at 12:02 pmACME_Democrat Says:
I’m going to get my skin pigment changed to green and try to get a job at my local library. I’m sure they will not hire me and I can finally start a lawsuit for discrimination.
You just do that, ACNE. Better yet, change your skin pigment to brown and then try to get a job with the White Supremicists in your party of choice.
But thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of debating skills!
PEACE
August 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pmACME_Democrat Says:
You’re out of luck at any rate — a brain is required to visit the library, let alone be on the payroll of one.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:04 pmDieNowForPeace Says:
Seriously, would everyone here be okay if she/he/it had opted to have a Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head as opposed to sewing up their coochie and hanging a fake weiner between their legs?
Trans-gender types really don’t, and probably never will, fit into society if they choose to make their “positions” known.
Strange. I’ve known a few transgendered people (”types”? WTF?) and they’ve managed to fit in as well as the next person–since people generally “fit in” based on their behavior and personalities.
I don’t pretend to understand the mindset that causes a person to have such surgery, but I’m damned if I can figure out how it would spoil their work.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:04 pmDiane Schroer should be judged ONLY if he/she is capable of doing the job. Anything else is NOBODY’S business.
Looks like the DOJ is not the only department politicized under the Bushies.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:04 pmit may be darryl
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August 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pmI only know one transgendered individual and she used to team teach a college course called the Biology of Gender with my mentor. I can’t say I know her very well but he speaks very highly of her and I find her very decent. Still she doesn’t have any horns that I noticed…
August 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pmACME Democrat is gone, but if we copy it’s entire comment into our own comments, it manages to live on.
Maybe just copy and paste the name and date/time stamp?
Sorry if I’m being bossy.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:07 pm#8 The point dienow was making was that this person is mutilating their bodies to pretend to be something they aren’t. That will probably never be cool.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pmDieNowForPeace,
Are you being sarcastic?
Have you been name jacked?
Has Parodyll invaded your soul?
Or are you just normally this mean spirited.
1) A transgender is not an “it”. End of discussion on that!
August 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pm2) A transgender has both sexual organs. Most would prefer to just have one. Thus, the open and honest discussion about the surgery to take place.
3) “No place in society”? WTF? Hell, I suppose certain skin color is inferior to you, right? Seems we have a certain bigot in our mix. Gawd, I’d hate to see how you treat someone who is handicapped, working. What, do you avoid that place of business, just so you don’t have to make eye contact?
Sorry, but your post is wrong, wrong, wrong. I’d expect that from Parodyll, good_goony, and such, but not from you.
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Seriously, would everyone here be okay if she/he/it had opted to have a Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head as opposed to sewing up their coochie and hanging a fake weiner between their legs?
Trans-gender types really don’t, and probably never will, fit into society if they choose to make their “positions” known.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Looks like you just had a Rick Sanitarium “man-on-dog sex” moment ……….My condolences.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:11 pmDon’t expect to be hearing from daryll ever again . . . s/he’s changed names. Now, it’s “Darla”.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pmI’m rather irked at DNFP’s comment too, Zooey. I think that one just entered irrational territory — the strong suit of our resident trolls.
Comparing a “Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head” to aligning ones physical appearance and sexual capalities with their state of mind (a male’s brain in a males body, vice versa) is insulting.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pmdeebaser Says:
#8 The point dienow was making was that this person is mutilating their bodies to pretend to be something they aren’t. That will probably never be cool.
With your logic, tatts, piercings and multi-colored hair would not be ‘cool’ either, right?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWerid….it’s not right to be discriminated against…but still very werid.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:13 pmdeebaser Says:
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#8 The point dienow was making was that this person is mutilating their bodies to pretend to be something they aren’t. That will probably never be cool.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
And you have been referred to as the living embodiment of The Fonz for how long now ?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:13 pmI have mixed feelings about that Zooey as I think it benefits others at times to see the kinds of thinking which is unacceptable or abhorrent to others.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:14 pmdeebaser Says:
#8 The point dienow was making was that this person is mutilating their bodies to pretend to be something they aren’t. That will probably never be cool.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Have you ever met or talked to a transgender person? What am I saying? Of course you haven’t. Otherwise you wouldn’t say such a thing.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pmdb,
I didn’t say he shouldn’t say it, I just said I was a bit shocked by his statement.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:22 pmDNFP; I’m also disappointed with your post. you seemed to be more open-minded, perhaps I was wrong. Your post would be more in tune with the regressive right.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pmI’m just waiting for Parodyll to show up and declare that Diane Shroer chose to be trans-gender, at around age 9.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pmZooey: Maybe I am confused on which statement we are discussing.
Hi Daryll. Does your church have a transgendered conversion companion program with its gay conversion program? Just wondering
August 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pmDieNowForPeace said:
Seriously, would everyone here be okay if she/he/it had opted to have a Unicorn horn surgically attached to their head as opposed to sewing up their coochie and hanging a fake weiner between their legs?
Comparing transgendering to attaching a horn to the middle of their forhead? I haven’t heard anything that ridiculous since the comparison of gay marriage to having sex with animals.
Trans-gender types really don’t, and probably never will, fit into society if they choose to make their “positions” known.
Why is “fitting in” so important, so much so that it affects a person’s ability to support themselves? You would like everyone to support themself I presume? To me, fitting in is just herd mentality, the same mentality that has caused so much trouble for so many people.
I try not to judge people by what is or isn’t swinging between their legs. I judge people by, in the words of the immortal Martin Luther King Jr., “the content of their character.”
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pmDaryll Says:
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Tell Diane to return to the name Richard and remove the heels, skirt, long hair, etc. Then she can be taken seriously.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
My hair is well past my shoulders ; are you going to claim your silliness and idiotic ramblings on the fictious and comical book known as the Bible is taken more serious than I ?
Wow , you’re even more whacky and delusional than I originally believed …….And that’s saying something ; what exactly it’s saying , is up to interpretation
August 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pmHey, D –
JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED.
~ Jesus
August 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pmThat’s not true.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pmMy bad.
I thought that Parodyll would condemn Diane for being trans-gender.
I was wrong.
Parodyll actually states that Diane is not a child of God.
Oh, those compassionate (c)hristians!
So, when everything is perfect, it’s because of God.
When something is not, it’s because it’s not the will of God?
WTF?
Parodyll, it’s mucking forons like you who desecrate the true meaning of Christianity.
Word dat, homey! Now, gimme some faux brown sugar, ghetto bootie, loving!
August 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pmSo Daryll does this allegeded conversion program work?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pmSome like DNFP are selectively progressive, which is too mushy. Need to up the tolerance level there. Just some constructive criticism,- I’d expect others to do the same for me.
DRxJ’s post 12:11 pm covered so much ground. Great job there, friend.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pmDaryll Says:
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Zooey: Maybe I am confused on which statement we are discussing.
Hi Daryll. Does your church have a transgendered conversion companion program with its gay conversion program? Just wondering
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It’s still considered as being a homosexual. Transgered are affected by demons that need to be cast out from their soul so they can live a normal life.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
And your fixation on gays/lesbians , along with your insane belief in an all-powerful , invisible being and a book that is crazier than any Greek myth , gives you what basis to judge what is or isn’t “normal” ?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pmDaryll Says:
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Tell Diane to return to the name Richard and remove the heels, skirt, long hair, etc. Then she can be taken seriously.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
My hair is well past my shoulders ; are you going to claim your silliness and idiotic ramblings on the fictious and comical book known as the Bible is taken more serious than I ?
Wow , you’re even more whacky and delusional than I originally believed …….And that’s saying something ; what exactly it’s saying , is up to interpretation
August 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
The bible says that men should not have long hair. One ever happened to men of this generation. I saw an article in USA today about mantyhose coming out in October. A real man should not wear stockings. Be Gods man, not a woman.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Can you tell us when Jesus sported a crew-cut ?
I must have missed that part……….
August 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pmCheese and Crackers:
August 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pmAre you aware that the Olympics has no truely defined way to determine gender? XX males exist as do Xy females. Sure they are rare but they do in fact exist. The biology of gender is much more complex than what is taught in 10th grade bio…
So, D – if the Bible truly says a man shouldn’t have long hair, then why do all the pictures of I’ve ever seen of Jebus show him with long hair…??
August 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pmJesus had long hair. He also wore long, flowing robes. Perhaps he really just wanted to be a woman?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
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There is no such thing as a “sex change”.
A man can mutilate his body to make it appear as if he is a woman but his DNA will not change.
He is simply a castrated man in drag…The entire concept of changing ones sex is a lie.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Like cancervatives being “fiscally responsible” and/or the GOP and their imbecilic backers being about or behind the troops and family values and morals ?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pmFool, if you clone from this persons DNA you will have the same thing. Your conclusion is inconclusive….no wait, it’s stupid.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pmrepublicans hate facts.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:41 pmYes, I did, confuse the two.
I should have used the statement “Trans-genders may have both sexual organs”.
And as we know (well, except for Parodyll), the biggest sexual organ, is the brain!
Cheese and Crackers Says:
There is no such thing as a “sex change”.
Bigotry is not science. Unless you are one the untold number of Americans who grapple with their bodies being out of synch with their mind (mind/body gender mismatch), your account doesn’t count. People don’t casually think of being the opposite sex.
What’s next, revisting the tired myth of gays and lesbians “choosing” to be gays and lesbians?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:43 pmAnd this one needs a repost…(Daryll you are too funny, the entire office here is laughing at you)
And your fixation on gays/lesbians, along with your insane belief in an all-powerful , invisible being and a book that is crazier than any Greek myth , gives you what basis to judge what is or isn’t “normal” ?
Thank you MCMetal for pointing this out to the delusional fool.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:43 pmParodyll Says:
There is no human with both sex organs. Only man can change sex organs. Either you have a coot or poot.
I’m assuming Parodyll’s definition of ‘poot’ is the rectal region, as in ‘pooter’?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:44 pmDaryll Says:
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Where does it say in the bible that Jesus had long hair?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus sported a razor cut ?
August 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pmDaryll spouts ignorant crap:
The bible says that men should not have long hair.
And where exactly in the bible does it say that?
There is no human with both sex organs.
Humans and animals can be born with both male and female organs, it is a biological FACT, you blooming idiot.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pmWhen I noticed that the comment count on this thread and bloomed from 23 to 75, I knew The Performance Artist Known as Daryll™ was in the HIZZOWSE!
then the comments went down. Dagnabbit.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm.
Daryll,
WHO DID JESUS TELL US TO JUDGE?
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August 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pmDaryll Says:
There is no human with both sex organs. Only man can change sex organs. Either you have a coot or poot.
I know you don’t believe in science, but ever heard of a hermaphrodite?
“A true hermaphrodite is someone who has both ovary and testicular tissue. The genitalia can vary from completely male or female, to a combination of both or even ambiguous looking.”
Are these “God’s mistakes”? Or does God not make mistakes?
PEACE
August 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pmJesus actually had dreadlocks, he was way cool, dreads, robe, sandals, tan, bong, told people to love one another…which is soooo unlike Daryll, makes you wonder why he claims to follow him.
August 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pmDaryll Says:
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So, D – if the Bible truly says a man shouldn’t have long hair, then why do all the pictures of I’ve ever seen of Jebus show him with long hair…??
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That’s a man-made interpretation. Man has not seen God.
August 20th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Jesus was invisible ?
How did Judas point him out to the Romans and how did they subsequently capture him to crucify him ?
Throw paint on him ?
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read.Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul…………..
August 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pmMCMetal,
August 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pmBe kind on Daryll…
his god is a two headed god that breaths fire and brimstone.
“What I said was that there in no way to CHANGE your gender.”
Until a concrete understanding and definition of gender exists. I suppose I would have to agree. One can not change something which doesn’t exist
August 20th, 2008 at 2:08 pmMax-1 Says:
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MCMetal,
Be kind on Daryll…
his god is a two headed god that breaths fire and brimstone.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Sounds more like daryll is an acid user…………..
August 20th, 2008 at 2:09 pm“He wore his hair long and natty”
August 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pmDarryll hates the Bible!
Actually,
There are many references of men wearing long hair in the Bible. It is part of the Nazarite tradition (Numbers 6:5&7), whose ranks included Samson, Samuel and John the Baptist.
Also, the Prophet Elijah, in 2 Kings 1:8 is identified because of his long hair. In fact the Hebrew words the servant used to describe Elijah were ba’al sa’ar which means “lord of hair.”
In 2 Samuel 14:25-26 Absalom’s long hair was praised for its handsome appearance and nowhere is it ever referred to as shameful.
In Leviticus 19:27 God commands that men should not cut the hair on the corners of their head (NIV – “temples”) or the corners of their beard.
In 2 Samuel 10:4-5 Harun shaved off half the beard of David’s servants. The men were so ashamed David told them to wait at Jericho until their beards grew back and then return home. In this case, being clean-shaven was considered shameful!
Psalm 133 praises the oil flowing down Aaron’s beard to his collar.
Jeez Darryll, your lack of Biblical knowledge is astounding, given that you are so quick to judge others (another little something the Good Book touches upon) when you yourself are so ignorant!
August 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
This man learned that when you turn your life into an abomination, there are consequences. Many people simply cannot take a transgender (wacko) person seriously. They’ve clearly got some major mental issues. I also object to TP referring to this man as “she” when that’s obviously not the case.
Who are you to judge anyone’s sexuality?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHi TripleKick11:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pmNice to see you made double digits. So might I inquire as to your expertise in this area? Ya know even the Barr Body test has been shown to not be 100%
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Trippy_extra_Cheeto_finger says:
Trippy,
I take exception to your claim to know God’s will.
Since when are you his spokesperson, free to damn others.
PULL THAT MOTE FROM THINE OWN EYE…!
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August 20th, 2008 at 2:25 pmTweedster,
Good work there. Thank you.
I do swear that Daryll does sleep with his Bible.
How else could it have been perverted?
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August 20th, 2008 at 2:28 pmMcMetal; Sufuric acid.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:30 pmaggghhhh!
SULFURIC ACID.
#&%*(#))@! typos!
August 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pmMax-1 Says:
Tweedster,
Good work there. Thank you.
I do swear that Daryll does sleep with his Bible.
How else could it have been perverted?
Darryll is a fraud. Misguided and stupid.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:35 pmTrippy,
I keep coming back here because I’m welcome and haven’t been booted ten other times. What’s your excuse?
When you argue like a Republican against Liberal and American values, your badge of honor says it all. When you reference God’s law, “Abomination” your badge shine bright for all to see, tarnish and all. Lastly, if I was incorrect about you being a Republican and Godly, then why the need to rise to a defense at all?
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August 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pmTripleKick11:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pmIt is a little dated but you might find the David Suzuki series Secret of Life series valuable. One episode is dedicated almost entirely to the biological basis of gender and the very complexities which prevent any clear definitions
Tweedster Says:
TripleKick 11 Says:
This man learned that when you turn your life into an abomination, there are consequences. Many people simply cannot take a transgender (wacko) person seriously. They’ve clearly got some major mental issues. I also object to TP referring to this man as “she” when that’s obviously not the case.
Who are you to judge anyone’s sexuality?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Why don’t you start by naming one person whose sexuality TripleKick has judged. Don’t you need to show that someone has suffer loss before you have a case.
Besides, don’t people judge important characteristics of other people all the time.
What citizen is not able to say which sexual expression benefits both the practitioners and the society?
August 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pmHi bitblt:
August 20th, 2008 at 2:52 pmWanna deal with the biology of gender conundrum?
bitblt stumbles:
Why don’t you start by naming one person whose sexuality TripleKick has judged. Don’t you need to show that someone has suffer loss before you have a case.
Uhh, I dunno…maybe the subject of the thread? Dude, you don’t make any sense. Suffered a loss? Nope. That’s not the only criteria at work here. Referring to someone you’ve never met as an abomination is judgmental and wrong. How has Diane Schroer’s sexuality adversely effected your troll buddy’s life?
Get real.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:01 pmbitblt grasps:
Besides, don’t people judge important characteristics of other people all the time.
How do you consider Diane’s sexuality an important characteristic as related to the job she was looking to get at the Library of Congress?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:02 pmIts a shame that people prefer to toss insults against dissent as oppose to educating and ‘agreeing to disagree’.
Despite what you’d like to believe I actually have met several people that considered themselves ‘transgender’. In college I was on the student judiciary and the chapter of GLAAD was actively trying to prevent a merger with the LGBTA over this issue.
‘Sexual reassignment’ is an illusion facilitated by mutilation and drugs. The only thing keeping a ‘woman
I can honestly say that I would not date a ‘woman’ that used to be a man. Would I hire one? Possibly, I can’t really say.
Does that make me a hateful bigot? Please. We don’t have to agree on everything. If we did, this site might as well just close up and merge with democraticunderground or redstate.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:03 pmTripleKick11:
August 20th, 2008 at 3:03 pmWhy are you avoiding the fundamental question of gender? Are you outleagued by an actual biologist?
Ah the leftist gay agenda. That shit is dope. I can’t tell if I like it more than the myth of the welfare queen or the recreational abortion fanciers. Still it is excellent nonsense
August 20th, 2008 at 3:07 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
Lastly, my opinion that these freaks are abominations has nothing to do with bigotry but rather its about calling out this clearly shameful, disgusting behavior for what it is, an abomination. They’re free to make their selfish choices and I’m free to think that they are wackos. I certainly am not going to hire any gender confused people. I value my customers far to much to expose them to such vile deviancy.
Dude, if that’s the way you feel, just cop to your bigotry.
We can all clearly see it.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:08 pmdeebaser states:
Does that make me a hateful bigot? Please. We don’t have to agree on everything. If we did, this site might as well just close up and merge with democraticunderground or redstate.
How does discriminating against the person in this thread not prejudicial? How is her sexuality or body image a hindrance to work she would’ve done at the Library of Congress?
Just because you personally are in disagreement with the person’s motives or actions, if they aren’t harming you then what do they matter? Just so you can say “Eeewww, that’s gross?”
August 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pmHi TripleKick11:
August 20th, 2008 at 3:12 pmEver wonder why woman have less body hair than men? Ever wonder what gave rise to the bearded women of sideshows? See the thing is there are these things called sex hormones and the levels of them in the body differs between individuals. I can loan you the video I mentioned if you’re open to considering it. I purchased the whole series…
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dbadass Says:
Ah the leftist gay agenda. That shit is dope. I can’t tell if I like it more than the myth of the welfare queen or the recreational abortion fanciers. Still it is excellent nonsense
Beware the Velvet Mafia…
/snark
August 20th, 2008 at 3:13 pmTripleKick 11 Says
August 20th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Many people simply cannot take a bigot (wacko) person seriously. They’ve clearly got some major mental issues.
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Fixed it for you.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:13 pmTripleKick 11 Says
August 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Lastly, my opinion that these freaks are abominations has nothing to do with bigotry but rather its about calling out this clearly shameful, disgusting behavior for what it is, an abomination. They’re free to make their selfish choices and I’m free to think that they are wackos. I certainly am not going to hire any gender confused people. I value my customers far to much to expose them to such vile deviancy.
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Selfish choices? I assume that you are a man in a man’s body (or a woman in a woman’s body) and you are sexually attracted to those of the opposite sex. You are fortunate in that you fit societal norms. It’s so easy for you to pompously condemn those who don’t as “selfish” and “wacko”, isn’t it?
Now. Suppose you wake up tomorrow morning and you find your body has changed. If you were a man before, you are now a woman (on the outside only, on the inside you’re still the same). Or if you were a woman before, you are now in a man’s body. Would you just accept this new quirk of nature and modify your inside to match your outside? Or would you feel like a fish out of water and yearn to get your old body back — the “selfish” choice?
Or (and I’m assuming you are heterosexual) — let’s say you wake up in a society where the only acceptable sexuality is with members of the same sex. Would you get with that program, or would you make a “selfish” choice to live with your sexuality the way it is, even if you had to live in the closet to do so?
When you find yourself in the same shoes as transgendered people (or even gay people), THEN you can make judgments.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:27 pm.
Trippy,
Your bigotry is the abomination here…
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August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pmTripleKick11:
Will you or will you not tackle the fundamnetal question of gender identity? Since you seem a little intimidated maybe we should start with you explaining how you have come to have the attitdues you have presented and what their foundations are…
Feel free to jump in bitblt…
August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
Tweedster
Frankly, I could not care less what you think about anyone or anything. You’re clearly a bigot when it comes to conservatives, which also makes you a hypocrite.
Understand, tolerance is not the same as acceptance. I tolerate these people and I don’t stop them from living their weirdo lives however they want to. But I will not deem their behavior or choices as acceptable. That’s ridiculous. As far as I’m concerned, he’s violating the dress code and making customers feel queazy.
Not tolerating bigotry isn’t bigotry in itself dude.
As far as not caring about what anyone thinks, that’s clear from your posts.
So could you define how I am clearly a bigot against conservatives? That’s quite a broad brush. I know that you aren’t the sole arbiter of “conservative values,” and probably not representative of ALL conservatives. So if my issue with your bigotry is how you extrapolate this crud, then you’re dead wrong.
Start making sense please.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:32 pm.
Missmolly,
One could argue that it is selfish for Trippy to demand that others conform to his ideals for them to be labeled “normal” by him… NO? Or is that ego centric? You know, self serving directives. How else could Trippy ever be happy in a society if that society didn’t conform to Trippy’s standards?
I guess I should wear my pink triangle so that Trippy can feel safer around me and be given the choice to walk on the other side of the street.
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August 20th, 2008 at 3:37 pmWhy do I get the impression that some folks are having a hard time coming up with something which makes sense and is rooted in some sort of tangibles?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
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Tweedster
Frankly, I could not care less what you think about anyone or anything. You’re clearly a bigot when it comes to conservatives, which also makes you a hypocrite.
Understand, tolerance is not the same as acceptance. I tolerate these people and I don’t stop them from living their weirdo lives however they want to. But I will not deem their behavior or choices as acceptable. That’s ridiculous. As far as I’m concerned, he’s violating the dress code and making customers feel queazy.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I always knew you were an absolute moron , but this post above really crystalizes your monumental ignorance and stupidity.
Deeming someone’s behavior or choices as unacceptable is at the opposite end of the spectrum of the definition of T-O-L-E-R-A-N-C-E , you incredibly dopey rube ………….And the only reason you don’t directly stop behavior or choices of those whom you disagree with has absolutely nothing to do with your tolerance and everything to do with your status and existence as a powerless and brainless chump ; you vote Republican up and down the board , so THEY can take care of that for you , you huge coward.
BTW
A “bigot” is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; that seems an exact description of you and your imbecilic GOP backing brethren , you colossal dummy.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pmTweed,
I don’t know whether it was right to rescind the offer letter or what went behind it. I wasn’t speaking to that. I was sticking up for die now because he was jumped on for having the nerve to express the thought that playing dress up, removing your member, and doping yourself up with estrogen isn’t necessarily something we should all be okay with.
I don’t know whether this person should have been offered the position, whether it was rescinded because of their lifestyle choice (and yes…the surgery is elective…its a freaking choice) and I feel terrible if they did not get the job because of this, but I am glad I was not in the hiring position on that one.
2 Questions of scruples (response to the ‘Ewwwww’ quip): Would you knowingly date a sexually reassigned person?
All things being equal, would you prefer to date a version 1.0 man/woman?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pmFrogs will naturally change to females if the population of male frogs is too high in the area.
Now, trolls, is that frog that changed its sex an abomination also?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pmIts time to make Tripplefreak have to change to number 12, flag the bigot.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pmOh no Wayne!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pmI respectfully request the opportunity for TripleKick11 to continue to avoid things.
Done, Wayne.
The batshit insane trolls are really frothing at the mouth today.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
Please, there’s nothing natural about being gay.
If it is not natural, why are there gay animals?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pmFunny, but I can oh-so-easily imagine our pal Trippie circa 1910 frothing on angrily about how damned unnatural it is for women to vote, or to own property, have a job, speak up to men, wear pants…
Unnatural freaks of nature, those damned masculine wimmen! Back to the kitchen!!
Poor Trippie has no idea how stupid he looks…
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pmAnd TK makes a bid for the next level (twelfth) with this mature comment that is as remarkable for its redundancy as for its name-calling.
Well done, TK. Here’s hopin’ you achieve that mythical twelfth level!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pmI see the cartoon ACME delivery truck just dropped off its latest shipment to Wile E. Coyote.
Let’s watch what happens…
August 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pmTripleKick 11 Says
August 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
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Forgive me — I thought you had a couple of points worth debating at one time, but now I see that you are beyond logic.
First — you obviously have the terms “transvestite” and “transgender” confused. You might want to look them both up before you make a further fool of yourself. Transgendered persons are neither transvestites nor drag queens.
Second — you apparently believe that homosexuality is a choice, despite all evidence it is not. So — when did you “choose” to be a heterosexual? My guess is that you never made that choice — heterosexual is just what you are.
And third — you claim that “the gay lifestyle” isn’t normal because “it cannot procreate”. Uh…does this mean that all of us who have not had children for whatever reason are abnormal? Or does it mean that gays who DO procreate are normal, but the ones who don’t, aren’t?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
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Wayne
You’ve always been a scared little coward who gets upset with the facts. .Flag-on you pansy, that’s all you’re good for.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
The King of all Pansies , claiming someone who served this country’s military with honor and dignity and who could crush your spleen without blinking an eye , is a “little coward” ; boy , there are some stupid people that comprise the GOP and their laughably dopey backers , but you certainly are tops (bottom?) amongst them…….
August 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pmHi ralph!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pmIs it just me or is TripleKick11 looking like what he is trying to project onto Wayne by avoiding my kind overtures? Still I think I will give em a chance to get back to me…
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Wayne Says:
I’ve seen dogs eat their on crap, does that make it a good idea because an animal did it? What is your point?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
You and your GOP backing retarded brethren should know ; you all have been eating up all the bullshit coming from the Republican party since Ronnie Retard in the ’80’s……….
August 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pmdbadass Says:
TripleKick11:
Will you or will you not tackle the fundamnetal question of gender identity? Since you seem a little intimidated maybe we should start with you explaining how you have come to have the attitdues you have presented and what their foundations are…
Feel free to jump in bitblt…
August 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Believe you and bit have been through this a time or two before without …it seems to bit…any definitive or lasting conclusions.
If bit recalls correctly, the information related by dbadass is usually short of declaring an observed situation “causal.” Seems that most of what you relate is that some observations suggest, or strongly suggest, certain outcomes.
This means that there is no “gay test.” It remains a “self describe” condition. bit takes it that there are no test of the condition claimed by the person who is the subject of this TP post.
Ok.
Even the American Psychological Association in their brochure on homosexuality stops short of declaring that this behavior has a physical, biological origin.
bit is hesitant here to remark on the science since there have been so many studies made by people with agendas to prove.
In addition it seems to bit that following this path will be a step short of declaring that there is no free will. That is, people are simply what the chemicals in their bodies make them.
No free will. No responsibility. bit doesn’t think less responsibility is what is needed.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pmOkay… who summoned bitblt?
‘Fess up…
August 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
bitblt Says:
Why don’t you start by naming one person whose sexuality TripleKick has judged. Don’t you need to show that someone has suffer loss before you have a case.
Besides, don’t people judge important characteristics of other people all the time.
What citizen is not able to say which sexual expression benefits both the practitioners and the society?
He judged ALL transgenders as ‘wackos’, something that is both fundamentally TARDED, and PSYCHO – much like YOURSELF – Jake.
Judge? Perhaps YOU DO, but then YOU are an ESTABLISHED BIGOT. Bigotry being COMMON among YOUR FOLK don’t make it RIGHT, it makes it SAD and YOU PATHETIC!
August 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Excellent job of proving, and illustrating your point.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pmThanks for amply demonstrating your lack of interest in accuracy or fact. Not that any further evidence was required…
So then answer missmolly’s question:
when did you choose to be heterosexual? Can you remember the moment? Did you make a pro/con list?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pmdeebaser:
All things being equal, would you prefer to date a version 1.0 man/woman?
It would depend on a lot of things. I would say I’d be more inclined to be attracted to a “natural” woman, but that’s just my preference. It has nothing to do with hiring someone for a job that by all reasonable measure would be considered non-sexual in nature – it’s the Library of Congress!
I don’t know exactly what your argument is, or how it relates to discrimination in the workplace.
Here’s a hypothetical for you, if your car broke down out in the sticks, and there were two mechanics nearby – one transgender and competent, and the other, some “normal” man/woman who didn’t know what they were doing. Who would you rather have service your car?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pmWould that bit had been so hesitant to remark that he would have failed entirely to do so.
bit seems to be suggesting that, as MIchael Savage suggests, there is no psychological condition that is not a choice. Perhaps bit thinks that the chemicals in our bodies, hormones in various concentrations and what not, are matters of choice as well? Or perhaps that they have no more influence on our behaviors than our choice of clothing?
Bit, it seems to ralph, is extending the requirements for “free will” far beyond the limits that ralph would place them.
ralph thinks it is just a travesty the people are allowed to write or cut their food with their left hands. After all, it is a matter of choice, is it not? And ralph is tired of sitting to the left of one of these deviants and having his elbow bumped by a pervert who eats with his left hand. It’s a moral outrage!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pmYou can thank me later ralph.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
Tweedster, a transgender mechanic in the sticks? Wow you’re reaching there.
Most transgender’s I’ve seen are working at Kinkos. No pun intended.
One, it’s a hypothetical.
Two, I wasn’t aware that you kept such close tabs on the employment trends of the transgender community.
Three, how would it be inconceivable that a Woman-to-Man transgender woulfn’t want to be a gear-head? Can a “natural” woman be a mechanic? Does that blow your views of gender roles out of the water?
Why are you obsessed with homosexuality? Are you advocating that the “choice” (Devil’s advocate here) to be gay should be outlawed? Why are you against personal freedom?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pmBad logic.
If one must choose one’s sexuality, then that must apply to a heterosexual as well as a homosexual.
I agree with you, though, it’s not that difficult. It’s pretty simple. Either it’s a choice, or it’s not. If it’s a choice, as you suggest, then you must know this because you chose to be straight. If it’s not, then gays did not choose to be gay.
My personal experience was that I was not in control of who I was attracted to. They were invariably of the opposite sex, so I assume that gay people had no control over their attractions either. And the gay people I know have confirmed this.
I have no personal knowledge of the sexuality or intimate life of Lindsay Lohan, so I’m afraid I can’t offer a useful opinion on that.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pmTripleKick 11 Says:
You’ve always been a scared little coward who gets upset with the facts.
Any time you feel froggy, wimp.
Unlike you chickenhawk cowards, I don’t bluff and I don’t back down.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pmTripleKick 11 Says
August 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
“Transvestites, transgenders, whatever, they’re all deviant weirdos to me.”
– I think that statement pretty much says it all about you. No further comment from me is necessary.
“Additionally, you cannot prove that homosexuality is something you are born with, so don’t give me your nonsense. Its a choice.”
– HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! A simple declarative from you is some sort of proof???
“I know identical twins where one decided to be gay and the other remains straight. Its clearly a choice, one which comes with significant consequences to the chooser’s family and friends.”
August 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm– One “decided” to be gay? The other “remains” straight? So being straight is how we are born, and if someone is gay, it’s because they renounced their natural default and “chose” a lifestyle where they would be ridiculed, discriminated against, disowned by their families, and generally have to hide who they are? What in the world is so attractive about such a lifestyle that it would incite so many people to make that “choice”? The hope that it might enhance interior decorating ability and fashion sense? That reverberating sound you hear is about a gazillion gay men and women laughing their heads off at your ignorance.
dbadass makes note to self not to sit right of ralph…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:55 pmthat’s okay, dbadass… ralph is actually quite tolerant of those left-handed deviants, despite their claims that “it’s not a choice”. ralph knows better, because he didn’t choose to be right-handed, it’s just the default position of humanity.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pmdbadass thinks ralph welcomes all at the table. dbadass just wishes others might understand that the meal is just one big potluck…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:12 pmThe enamor of TP’s resident commenters in response to the trolls tells me one thing: A progressive learns as if they were intending to teach, regardless of whether they actually take that path. That means, lifelong learning.
The regressive stops learning after high school, blasts all forms of higher education, and sticks to a very narrow package of knowledge to see them through life. No effort to update themselves. According to them, the extent of tolerance when you’re 50 should be the same from when you were 16.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pmAs I previously stated I really don’t want to touch the hiring with a ten foot pole. (no pun intended.) People were slagging down a regular poster (DieNow) for expressing a different opinion.
The fact that you’d prefer a ‘natural’ woman to a transgender betrays a bit of ‘prejudice’ on your part, no? You recognize on at least a subconcious level that sexually reassigned folks are not really what they’re advertising. Such a ‘woman’ that stops taking the estrogen will get a 5 O’Clock shadow.
The person who knew what they were doing, obviously. I don’t want to get into the hiring thing.
(last post at 6:33… Thank God this thread is dead.)
August 20th, 2008 at 7:39 pm.
Dear Trippy and all trolls(o.k.Daryll too),
When I was 22 I met Robert. He was Air Force. We dated for three months then he was shipped abroad for 13 months. We communicated regularly through the USPS, you know letters, pictures and cassette tapes. A few phone calls from the Middle East, we decided to visit each other on his 30 day leave, so he came to visit me. Not his mom, but me. I was flattered to say the least. Upon his departure we decided to revisit this adventure upon the end of his tour, should he be relocated back State side.
Unbeknownced to me, when he arrived back in the Middle East, he put in for a discharge. He wrote me a nice long letter to announce to me that he was going to be discharged in mid winter and asked me to meet him, his mother and grand mother back east. I accepted.
However, there remained one problem, I was a member of a staunch Republican family that was too proud to think that being gay was acceptable. I had been out to myself for several years. So I pondered this next step. I put in for a two week vacation at work, yet no one knew at work knew where or why I was going. I. JUST. LEFT… knowing that upon my return I would have a lot to explain — where I went and why.
The day after my return my father and mother called me up and began their investigation… WHERE DID YOU GO? WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL US? etc. I had a choice at that moment; do I lie or tell the truth. So I spoke and told them the truth.
From that day my life has never been the same. Honesty, with those I cherished the most in my life, with those I trusted the most in my life, with those I loved most in my life, handed me a life of abandonment.
For over five years my parents, one of two brothers and sister did not speak to me. When I did approach them, they inquired when “I” was going to change to make them happy. It was extremely selfish of them to insist that “I” entertain making them happy and forsake my own, especially in the light of them not sacrificing of themselves in the process. It got so bad that when my parents came from across the state to visit my sister just miles away, a THIRTY MINUTE DIVE AWAY, no less, that no one called to ask me if I wanted to visit. I knew, after years of this, I was officially dead to them… My life had changed because they chose inflexibility due to bias and bigotry.
Twenty years later, I still struggle in calling my father and sister. They continually blame me for how I react to them. My mother died this last January and to this day, my sister blames me for being absent… not realizing it was they who drove me away. I was, however, blessed enough to be alerted so that I could go visit her on her death bed and pray for forgiveness and strength to continue to learn forgiveness of my father and siblings. To date, none of my family ever meet Robert, asked to, or cares…
Sorry for the long story and I seek no sympathies. I just felt compelled to share what I did not choose to happen to me in hopes that the trolls can gleam some insight to what they condemn of others.
Gay people do not choose to be hated… hatred is given freely.
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August 21st, 2008 at 2:58 am#155 – Max-1 Says:
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“Gay people do not choose to be hated… hatred is given freely.”
August 21st, 2008 at 2:58 am
Max-1, You stated the truth there!
I was luckier in that when I came out to my family, they didn’t drive me away. It took a while for them to realize that I was still the exact same person who I’ve always been, but they’ve been there for me when I’ve needed them and I’ve been there for them. Our family is Southern Baptist so we all had a great deal of mis-information and lies about gay people to overcome!
It wasn’t easy to tell them about me, but their biggest worry was that I would be treated as a second class citizen, physically attacked/killed for being who I am, or not be able to find a partner or gainful employment. I thank God that their fears have never been realized, but that’s because I stood up for myself when I could and didn’t take crap from the know-nothing crowd.
I’ll keep you in my prayers that your family learns to let go of their misplaced hate and blame.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am