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Did McCain Push Rumsfeld For More Troops In Iraq? Rumsfeld’s Notes Suggest He Didn’t

Throughout his campaign, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has disguised his support for a failed strategy in Iraq by regularly railing against Donald Rumsfeld. A lengthy Washington Times article today highlighting McCain’s advocacy for more troops (calling it a “David against Goliath” battle) reveals that McCain’s push for more troops may have been more tepid than he portrays.

In an August 2003 meeting with Rumsfeld, McCain “made a very passionate case that we need to look at adding more troops,” according to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC). But in a note from Rumsfeld just after meeting, McCain reportedly told Rumsfeld, “the answer may not be more troops in Iraq“:

An aide to the secretary said Mr. McCain’s account is incorrect. “In November 2003, Secretary Rumsfeld and Senator McCain had one of a number of conversations that ended with the two in agreement on the need to win in Iraq,” Keith Urbahn said. “Senator McCain may prefer to characterize their meeting as a Showdown at the OK Corral, but that’s not straight talk. It’s a fairy tale.”

Mr. Rumsfeld wrote a two-sentence summary shortly after his meeting, according to his office. “I had breakfast with Senator McCain. He said, ‘The answer may not be more troops in Iraq, but the answer is not the status quo.’ I agree with him.”

On the campaign trail, McCain assails Rumsfeld as “one of the worst secretaries of defense in history.” Yesterday, however, The Jed Report unearthed a 2001 Larry King interview with McCain saying he would have hired Rumsfeld had he been elected President in 2000. McCain said Bush assembled the “strongest” national security team in history. Watch it:

“Oh yes, and Cheney,” he added gleefully, saying that he told Dick Cheney at the time, “If I had been elected President, you’d have been my nominee for Vice President.” “Hell, yeah,” McCain told Stephen Hayes about Cheney serving in a future McCain administration. But in 2007, McCain said Bush was “very badly served” by Cheney.

As ThinkProgress has documented, McCain continued to try to have it both ways despite criticizing Rumsfeld, stating in 2005, “we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

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82 Responses to “Did McCain Push Rumsfeld For More Troops In Iraq? Rumsfeld’s Notes Suggest He Didn’t”

  1. Buckie Boy says:

    Sooo….just about everything McSame has ever said he has at some point said just the opposite of what he said….

    ….this is getting confusing…sorta like trying to make sense of anything Bush says.


  2. BushHater says:

    Straight Talk™ from The Maverick™


  3. stjack says:

    wha– you mean– are you saying mccain misrepresented his record? can’t be.


  4. stjack says:

    i still think the whole right-wing scheme is to make *everyone* distrust *all* media and just decide that it’s all way too complicated for us to figure out.


  5. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    McCain: “It should be a known known, my friends, that I completely respect and agreedge, uh, agree with Ronald Dumsfeld except on those unknown knowns where I am, uh, you know, the known maverick and I disagree with his positions.”


  6. djond says:

    It must be McCain’s strategy to simply say everything at some point in time. That way, he can quote himself in a positive way in any situation – and not be lying (in his own mind), because he’s said everything. It’s so brilliant. He’s not a “flip-flopper” – he’s just “omni-sprech-ent” or some such thing.


  7. Jess Wonderin says:

    On this I tend to beleive Rummi . . . Over 70% think this country is headed in the WRONG direction, yet McCain continues to hold almost parity in polling . . . in-spite of his RECORD of support Bush Policies and continuing to blather bullshit . . . AHA-FRICKN-MAIZ-ZING!!! I’m not an Obama fan but would it would take an afternoon of “harmless frat boy” waterboarding for THIS Vet to vote McCain . . . .


  8. gus smith says:

    McCain is plain scary. Every day he dismisses what he said earlier and what is on the written and video record. The man can not be believed We can not have such a flip-flopper, a liar as the head of state. His every instruction would be countermanded by himself. Scary, plain scary.


  9. pete says:

    Once again. Distancing himself from himself.


  10. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    McCain and Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney have all been in bed together about this Iraq debacle since Day One.

    O/T: How about Michelle Obama for VP? Now that would be a surprise…
    She’s very smart and very articulate, what more could we want in a VP?


  11. Iolair says:

    McCain said Bush assembled the “strongest” national security team in history.

    Which is why we were so safe on September 11, 2001. With the strongest national security team in history, what could possibly go wrong?

    :P


  12. spencers mom says:

    McStain’s daily comments remind me of watching a child play “musical chairs”.

    Whatever chair he lands on when the music stops is the position he takes, until the music begins and goes ’round again.

    Whatever it takes to win! Historical facts never get in the way of McStain’s recollections of his greatness and precient predictions.

    PEACE


  13. had enough says:

    McInsane doesn’t even know how many houses he has.. how are we to expect he would remember anything about troops?


  14. ralph the wonder llama says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:
    sorry Satyam, you tool, we all know exactly where McCain has stood on the war and the surge, just like we know where B. Hussein Obama has stood. Good luck with trying to confuse us.

    Trying to confuse TK is somewhat akin to trying to dampen water.

    So good luck indeed.

    BTW, TK, 13 looks great on you.


  15. Freedom Rebel says:

    #14 had enough Says:

    McInsane doesn’t even know how many houses he has.. how are we to expect he would remember anything about troops?

    good evening had enough :)

    Your post reminded me of Americablog. “You see, the McCain campaign explained to the Washington Post today, McCain was a POW. It’s not entirely clear why that’s relevant to a discussion of McCain owning 7 or 8 or 9 homes, and not being able to remember exactly how many homes he owns, but it apparently doesn’t matter. Because McCain was a POW. Did everybody get that?”

    I was ROTFL at that one. The same John McCain that “warned Kerry not to overuse the Hero thing.”


  16. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Freedom Rebel Says:

    good evening had enough :)

    Your post reminded me of Americablog. “You see, the McCain campaign explained to the Washington Post today, McCain was a POW. It’s not entirely clear why that’s relevant to a discussion of McCain owning 7 or 8 or 9 homes, and not being able to remember exactly how many homes he owns, but it apparently doesn’t matter. Because McCain was a POW. Did everybody get that?”

    Interesting. That sounds like they’re saying that the lingering damage from Mccain’s POW stint affects his mental faculties.

    Are we sure we want someone like that in the Oval Office?


  17. jb says:

    McCain’s SURGE in owning homes is winning the war on Terra. We know where they are. They are some south and west of Phoenix. He’s also surging with lobbyists, oil, corrupt governments wanting to cash in, various other corporate interests. Collaborator indeed.


  18. spencers mom says:

    had enough Says:

    McInsane doesn’t even know how many houses he has.. how are we to expect he would remember anything about troops?

    You remind of yet another “numbers problem.” It was not long ago that McStain claimed that we were already down below pre-surge troop levels in Iraq.

    Were I overseas under President McStain, I’d be very worry that I’d be left behind because he forgot to count me!

    PEACE


  19. TripleKick 13 says:

    ralph
    Glad you have some humor. I’m starting to kinda like you, a little. Don’t get excited though. Seriously, what’s the point if this thread. McCain has always said be values victory in Iraq over victor of his presidency. TO is so horribly negative lately. Do you think McCain has a chance? American voters still wanna be #1 nomatter how hard the left tries to invest on defeat. What’s your take?


  20. bonzo 1958 says:

    Maybe it isn’t global warming.

    Maybe it’s all the mccain flip flops messing with the earth’s balance.


  21. ralph the wonder llama says:

    “My take”, TK, is that most of America doesn’t see the desire to get our troops out of a place they never should been placed as “investing in defeat”. That’s lame partisan word games with no relation to reality.

    While many people are prone to simplistic jingoism like “We’re no. 1!” Americans overwhelmingly reject the economics and incompetence of Bush, the result of policies that McCain promises to continue.

    The point of the thread is that the McCain narrative, the “mavericky won’t-take-no” Surge™ proponent, is as flimsy as the rest of his public record, and he should be forced to own up to it.

    But I do agree with you that Terrell Owns is horribly negative.

    Thanks for asking.


  22. TripleKick 13 says:

    bozo
    Don’t worry yourself. McCain and Obama hardly differ on global warming. Either way we’ll likely have the same environmental approach. Wrt drilling, sure McCain is more progressive and responsive to voters, but he’s flirting with friggin Lieberman for vp for effs sake. Relax, enjoy. McCain us gonna be a “maverick”. It should be refreshing unless you’re a hard core partisan dope-on-rope. You’re not one of those guys, are you?


  23. konchster says:

    Please if there is a god don’t visit another lying piece of shit on the the American people


  24. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Now that is cute. TK trying to paint McSame as a “progressive” so us real progressives shouldn’t be worried.

    It really is like a puppy thinking he can drag a sofa by chewing its leg. Unfortunately for you, TK we actually pay attention.


  25. spencers mom says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    But I do agree with you that Terrell Owns is horribly negative.

    Thanks for asking.

    And this is why we love you so much, Ralph! (she types, spewing water!)

    PEACE


  26. TripleKick 13 says:

    ralph
    Curious , have you read obamanation? It’s very worrisome. Too bad the mainstream media dropped the ball and didn’t look into Obamas past. Hillary would have made a great president. Too late now. Maybe rush was right eh?


  27. Count Istvan says:

    bozo
    Don’t worry yourself. McCain and Obama hardly differ on global warming. Either way we’ll likely have the same environmental approach. Wrt drilling, sure McCain is more progressive and responsive to voters, but he’s flirting with friggin Lieberman for vp for effs sake. Relax, enjoy. McCain us gonna be a “maverick”. It should be refreshing unless you’re a hard core partisan dope-on-rope. You’re not one of those guys, are you?

    Can anybody translate this for me?


  28. 00mpp00 says:

    You’ll have to excuse McCain. He has such trouble remembering those pesky details. I mean, who really knows how many houses they own? And this…

    http://www.sunstateactivist.org/


  29. Freedom Rebel says:

    #17 ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Interesting. That sounds like they’re saying that the lingering damage from Mccain’s POW stint affects his mental faculties.

    Are we sure we want someone like that in the Oval Office?

    Exactly, we are talking about a man that can’t remember what he said yesterday. If this is not a Very Big Problem I don’t know what is!!!

    I read in another blog Ralph that the people around him are trying to get him to comment less to reporters. Less damage control that way.

    His people are getting a “little thin-skinned.” “McCain’s spokesman used the word “fricking”. Of course, even more interesting was how McCain’s spokesman declared, quite Scarlett O’Hara-like, that asking John McCain why he can’t recall how many houses he owns is just the worst, most personal attack, ever asked of a presidential candidate in all of recorded history.”

    That comment says it all, John did an awesome job on that one.


  30. ralph the wonder llama says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:
    count
    Likely you’re not bright enough to appreciate that McCain has the nuts to break away from the hard right when they’re wrong

    Until he needs them to get elected president…

    Witness his rejection of the religious right as “agents of intolerance” until it suddenly dawned on him that, “hey, if I wanna be president, I need these guys”. Then he decided maybe it would be a good idea to accept a speaking engagement at the Agent of Intolerance’s university.

    and reject the hard left when they’re wrong.

    When has he ever embraced the “hard left”? When has he ever done anything BUT “reject the hard left”? How much cojones does it take for right-wing Republican to “reject the hard left”?


  31. gummitch says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    When has he ever embraced the “hard left”? When has he ever done anything BUT “reject the hard left”? How much cojones does it take for right-wing Republican to “reject the hard left”?

    Keep in mind that for wingnuts like TK, “hard left” defines people like Arlen Spector.


  32. Count Istvan says:

    count
    Likely you’re not bright enough to appreciate that McCain has the nuts to break away from the hard right when they’re wrong and reject the hard left when they’re wrong. Meanwhile, b. Hussein obama has memorized the liberal talking points… Change indeed.

    That’s fair. I will leave the job of appreciating McCain’s nuts to you.


  33. ralph the wonder llama says:

    gummitch Says:
    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    When has he ever embraced the “hard left”? When has he ever done anything BUT “reject the hard left”? How much cojones does it take for right-wing Republican to “reject the hard left”?

    Keep in mind that for wingnuts like TK, “hard left” defines people like Arlen Spector.

    Of course! I keep forgetting.

    (ralph slaps forehead)

    Thanks, gum.


  34. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Count Istvan Says:
    count
    Likely you’re not bright enough to appreciate that McCain has the nuts to break away from the hard right when they’re wrong and reject the hard left when they’re wrong. Meanwhile, b. Hussein obama has memorized the liberal talking points… Change indeed.

    That’s fair. I will leave the job of appreciating McCain’s nuts to you.

    OUCH! That’s gonna leave a mark.

    Better get some ice on that right away, TK.


  35. pete says:

    What “hard left”? Are we talking about anyone who disagrees with Lush Rimjob and his little dog Bill0?


  36. Bobwurst says:

    tk, no one has to try and confuse you, it’s your natural state of being. You just can’t bring yourself to admit that mccain is a liar and a cheat and a dottering old fool who doesn’t know how many houses he owns.


  37. pete says:

    “Reject the hard right”? Sorry. Flippy McSpin’s entire career has consisted of claiming to oppose the Reich, then he either votes in lockstep or simply doesn’t show up. I would define that as lying to his constituents, the press and the American people. Unless they know that he will support any Reichwing proposal, as his voting record proves.


  38. And the beat goes on says:

    And this story is being broadcast on which MSM channel? I actually saw a story on my local news about his owning houses problem. I almost fell over!!! Maybe there’s hope.

    Good evening FR! ;D You are son right on questioning his mental competence. Just like the racial undertones with Obama (you know he’s black) there is also water cooler talk about lingering damage caused by POW torture. We’ll see if it gets the same attention as Obama’s racial problems. People, though, are TERRIFIED to take on McInsane’s military service, This, though, is a real issue with real consequences.


  39. And the beat goes on says:

    sorrt for 40 son = so on


  40. barfly says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:

    Likely you’re not bright enough to appreciate that McCain has the nuts to break away from the hard right when they’re wrong and reject the hard left when they’re wrong. Meanwhile, b. Hussein obama has memorized the liberal talking points… Change indeed.

    Break away from the hard right? Like refusing to say the same enhanced techniques that were used on him as a POW are torture?

    That kind of breakaway?


  41. TripleKick 13 says:

    ralph, my funny missinformed friend. McCain in fact embraced the hard left when he teamed with Teddy Kenedy on that “shamnesty” bill. Remember? Well Obama has yet to do anything but regurgitate left wing talking points. Understand yet ?


  42. ralph the wonder llama says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Teddy Kennedy… the “hard left”…

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Good one, TK!

    (ralph wipes tears from his eyes)

    By the way, TK, one of the criticisms I heard from those with short attention spans about Obama’s performance at Saddleback was that his answers were too long and involved. Too thoughtful. Too nuanced.

    I thought “talking points” were supposed to be snappy. Y’know, like, “Drill here! Drill now! Or “Life begins at conception!”

    Like that.


  43. RantingTommy says:

    aww, what’s wrong dribbledick? you sound more scared than usual lately, desperate even

    are you still wetting the bed over cave dwelling criminals that your boy bush elevated to holy warriors in order to terrify you into supporting them?


  44. wizard2000 says:

    I would make one simple change to this quote attributed to McCain: “McCain said Bush assembled the “strongest” national security team in history.”

    Change the “o” to an “a” in “strongest,” and McCain would have actually been making a lucid, insightful observation about the most corrupt and incompetent Republican administration in American history.

    So, Bush assembled the STRANGEST national security team in history, packed with neo-con Fascist Fools, hell-bent on setting up a right-wing police state in the U.S., while bullying nations around the world, starting a war in Iraq based completely on lies, that has gotten tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers either killed or severely injured, caused over a million deaths of Iraqis, with who knows how many Iraqis being severely injured, and caused countless Iraqis being displaced either internally in Iraq or completely fleeing the country.

    Of course, “strongest” could refer to the putrid odor of Bush’s national security team, such a foul odor that people have been gagging and gasping for breath for the past eight years.


  45. Above the Clouds says:

    Refresh my memory again, my friends, how many US citizens did Saddam Hussein and other Iraqis kill on US soil on 9-11? McCain can rail against Rumsfeld all he wants, Iraq is a monumental Republican failure that is the crowning legacy of Bush’s failed Presidency. A vote for McCain is a vote for more Republican failures.


  46. pete says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    August 21st, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Evening ralph. Isn’t it fun when they wet themselves over the “leftists” under their beds? It just makes me feel lucky to be sane and rational.


  47. RantingTommy says:

    right wingers are such paranoid sissies


  48. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Evenin’ pete. Jes’ havin’ some fun with ol’ TK here.

    He does seem a might nervous, don’ he?


  49. pete says:

    TK is good for a laugh. Kinda like watching a dog hide from a vacuum cleaner.


  50. Freedom Rebel says:

    #40 And the beat goes on Says:

    Good evening FR! ;D You are son right on questioning his mental competence. Just like the racial undertones with Obama (you know he’s black) there is also water cooler talk about lingering damage caused by POW torture. We’ll see if it gets the same attention as Obama’s racial problems. People, though, are TERRIFIED to take on McInsane’s military service, This, though, is a real issue with real consequences.

    Good to see you and the beat goes on :) It would be nice if it did, but I’m not counting on it. The only place he will be called for those kind of gaffes is on Progressive Blogs.

    I found something today you will like, this is great news. Emily’s List on the findings of an extensive poll taken of women across several generations in the United States.

    Only 16% of women said that McCain is an inspirational person who gives them hope for the future.

    The majority of women have caught on, I figure the 16% who are for him are Pro-Life. That is the only reason left for them to vote for McCain.

    Have a great evening :)


  51. TripleKick 13 says:

    ralph,
    I agree, obama had a dismal, pathetic performance at saddleback. A sign of debates to come. Btw, read the #1 book obamanation yet? WOW. Those Facts are so rude and inconvenient for b. Huseiin Obama. G’luck with that.


  52. Count Istvan says:

    It’s just so impressive when a Conservative has a best selling book. Especially since the thing has already sold a million copies before it’s released. But hey just head on over to Nutmax you can get it plus the works of 5 other right wing nutters for only a penny or is it a dollar? Too bad for TripleKick he can no longer read his copy. The pages are sticking together.


  53. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:

    Btw, read the #1 book obamanation yet?
    ___________

    Wow, DribbleDick… are you actually one of the very, very few INDIVIDUALS who actually coughed up cash for that POS?

    I mean, you do realize the only reason that book is **cough…** No 1 is because righty think tanks have been buying it in bulk…

    Pssst… go the NY Times… I know, I know, it’s a disgusting LIBERAL publication… look at the Best Seller List… see that little cross thingy after the title? NO, it’ not a Christian symbol…

    It means the book is being bought in bulk…

    And YOU paid hard cash for it… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…


  54. Above the Clouds says:

    If our troll friends were as enthusiastically for McCain as they are against Obama, there might be a glimmer of hope for them in November. Sadly, there is NO enthusiasm for McCain–at least none shown here by our trolls, my friends.


  55. Freedom Rebel says:

    #42 barfly Says:

    Break away from the hard right? Like refusing to say the same enhanced techniques that were used on him as a POW are torture?

    That kind of breakaway?

    Good to see you barfly :) You are asking for far too much honesty from TK. He’ll just change the subject to something else.

    I’m usually not here at nights and I miss your posts. You always make me laugh. Have a great evening barfly. :)


  56. VerbalKint says:

    John McCain will say anything to get elected. Do we need to know any more than that about this dishonest fool?

    As for the lame RNC representative here, Obama is going to make mincemeat of McCain in the debates, and it has you and your bottom-dwelling loser friends scared sh!tless.


  57. Count Istvan says:

    Wow, DribbleDick… are you actually one of the very, very few INDIVIDUALS who actually coughed up cash for that POS?

    I mean, you do realize the only reason that book is **cough…** No 1 is because righty think tanks have been buying it in bulk…

    Pssst… go the NY Times… I know, I know, it’s a disgusting LIBERAL publication… look at the Best Seller List… see that little cross thingy after the title? NO, it’ not a Christian symbol…

    It means the book is being bought in bulk…

    And YOU paid hard cash for it… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

    That’s pretty much what I was trying to say. Very well put.


  58. barfly says:

    And to you as well, Freeb.

    Thanks for the kind words – they’re definitely in short supply, these days.


  59. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Wow. Reading through the comments, for a moment I thought that there was hope for TK13. Then he brought up “ObamaNation”, and used the word “facts” in the same sentence. I’m with TRoS and Count Istvan: BWAHAHAHAHA!



  60. Shayne says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:

    ralph, my funny missinformed friend. McCain in fact embraced the hard left when he teamed with Teddy Kenedy on that “shamnesty” bill. Remember? Well Obama has yet to do anything but regurgitate left wing talking points. Understand yet ?

    McCain started all that pretend hugging of Democrats to protect himself after the Keating 5 scandal you dolt. Stop embarrassing yourself, idiot.


  61. Jane E. Schneider says:

    McCain started all that pretend hugging of Democrats to protect himself after the Keating 5 scandal

    Yeah, Shayne, then he decided he liked it and kept Lieberman on as his catamite.


  62. barfly says:

    Hi Jane!

    This whole surge thing is about to unravel, just in time for the US elections:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world/middleeast/22sunni.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

    The Iraqi government is giving them until Nov. first to disarm, but it looks like they’re not going to. The question is, how will this blow-up affect the presidential race?


  63. Shayne says:

    It looks like everytime Triplelicker’s name goes up 1 point his IQ gies down 1 point. If we give him the benefit of the doubt that he started at the average of 100 he’s down to 87.

    IQ Ratings of 80 to 89 Dullness
    IQ Rating of 70-79 Borderline deficiency
    IQ Ratings Under70 Definite feeble-mindedness

    You’re running out of points T.


  64. Shayne says:

    Hi Jane. I hope the VP is Biden because he likes to fight and McCain needs his 2$$ whooped.


  65. EugeneDebs says:

    Triplemoron 13 Says:

    ralph
    Glad you have some humor. I’m starting to kinda like you, a little. Don’t get excited though. Seriously, what’s the point if this thread. McCain has always said be values victory in Iraq over victor of his presidency. TO is so horribly negative lately. Do you think McCain has a chance? American voters still wanna be #1 nomatter how hard the left tries to invest on defeat. What’s your take?

    McCain has very little chance because the American people want to invest in AMERICA while you ignorant wingnuts want to invest in getting as many Americans killed as you possibly can. Its party time at your house as long as Americans are dying somewhere and killing brown people. You are ignorant and disgusting and those are your best character traits


  66. EugeneDebs says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:

    ralph,
    I agree, obama had a dismal, pathetic performance at saddleback. A sign of debates to come. Btw, read the #1 book obamanation yet? WOW. Those Facts are so rude and inconvenient for b. Huseiin Obama. G’luck with that.

    Man you are very stupid even grading on the Planet wingnut curve. Your hivemind brainwashing is impressive though. What you read in Corsis smear book that YOU called facts are more accuratly known as LIES. We understand someone with your intellectual challenges will never know the difference. For YOU the truth is whatever you have been TOLD to believe. You are an utter MORON.


  67. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Barfly, thanks for the link. Sounds like another powderkeg about to go off. I think that will definitely alter the Presidential campaign talking points. November 1st deadline? Oy!

    Shayne, I like Biden too, he’s fiesty. I’m still pissed at him for continuing to protect the credit card companies instead of the consumer, but he’s got a good resume. If he can control his mouth, he’ll be a big help in the campaign.


  68. EugeneDebs says:

    The Republic of Stupidity Says:
    see that little cross thingy after the title? NO, it’ not a Christian symbol…

    It means the book is being bought in bulk…

    And YOU paid hard cash for it… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

    I believe that little thingy is supposed to be a dagger. Yeah what a tool. He paid cash when he could have gone to a conservative bakesale and gotten it for the price of a brownie. I think Richard Mellon Schiafe uses them to insulate his attic


  69. Jane E. Schneider says:

    I believe that little thingy is supposed to be a dagger.

    I heard that it is officially called a “dart.” We can only wish, in this instance that it is a dagger.


  70. ralph the wonder llama says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:
    ralph,
    I agree, obama had a dismal, pathetic performance at saddleback.

    see, TK, this is why we have such a difficult time communicating — you’re not interested in it.

    I never said Obama had “a dismal, pathetic performance at saddleback”. I said he gave thoughtful, nuanced answers, which is in direct contradiction to your claim that all he ’s done is “regurgitate left wing talking points”.

    I understand your difficulty in getting this. I didn’t spell it out for you.

    See, I’m used to communicating with adults, who understand the dynamics of conversation and reading comprehension. Most people I converse with don’t need things spelled out for them. In fact, they would find it a little bit insulting, as if I were insinuating that they weren’t very intelligent.



  71. Xisithrus says:

    Maverick is just a funny euphemism for not being changing ones opinion on a subject many times.

    He was against the surge before he was for the surge.


  72. Xisithrus says:

    Sorry, tired, just finished a an 10 hour drive home. *not being* doesnt belong in the post.


  73. ucsbclassics53 says:

    TK13, You mean Jerome Corsi, the racist who went on a white-supremacist show on July 20, supposedly AFTER he apologized for his racist blog posts from 2001-2004

    * Corsi on Islam: “a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion”

    * Corsi on Catholicism: “Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press”

    * Corsi on Muslims: “RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters — it all goes together”

    * Corsi on “John F*ing Commie Kerry”: “After he married TerRAHsa, didn’t John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?”

    * Corsi on Senator “FAT HOG” Clinton: “Anybody ask why HELLary couldn’t keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?”

    but apparently if you’re right-wing and you apologize for your racist writings but go onto a racist radio show after you apologize, you’re not racist. If you’re a Democrat who has tried to apologize, you’re still racist because we all know it’s only the Democrats who are racist…

    I love how you endorse this guy, What a lovely piece of artwork he is…and since y’all on the right love to use guilt by association against us liberals, then it’s only fair that we do the same to you, right?

    Perhaps it isn’t fair, perhaps you have never endorsed his racist views, or perhaps you don’t know about them. In that case, please read about him…


  74. Xisithrus says:

    I find it amusing that folks like Corsi attack people for being secular and also racist at the same time.

    I think Corsi is, really, just a bad comedian.


  75. rollotomasi says:

    McCain was so worried about the lack of troops that he fell right in line with Bush/Cheney and clammed up until after the 2004 election.


  76. A Patriot Acting says:

    TripleKick 13 Says:
    “McCain has always said be values victory in Iraq over victor of his presidency.”

    Then perhaps for the good of the country and to help McCain actually stick to his word for once, McCain should step aside and hand the Presidency to Obama. Since noone in charge can define what victory would be I would describe it as leaving on good terms with the Iraqi gov’t. They endorse timelines and the kind of plan that Obama has proposed and McCain doesn’t know what to do or how long to do it. So stick to your word for once Johnny and sacrifice your presidential ambitions for the good of Iraq and America, head off into the sunset and go Cheney youself you dellusional fool.


  77. A Patriot Acting says:

    Since dribble dick is so enamored with Corsi’s cutting unbiased research and reporting I can only assume that he also believes and embraces what Corsi had to say about Saint John McCrappedmypants:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57678


  78. thelonegunman says:

    not defending McSame here but… the only politico who lacks serious wealth in this presidential season (which by definition includes the primaries) is Obama.

    Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Romney, et al are all MILLIONAIRES – wtf do they know about sweating about job cuts or feeding your family or paying the mortgage or filling the gas tank?


  79. TripleKick 13 says:

    pixel105 Says:
    “McCain stays the course on polygamy..”

    Are you sure you don’t mean Obama’s father stays the course on polygamy? Because he was basically a drunken bigot polygamist. Its all in the book. I’m quite sure I know more about your “chosen one” candidate than you do.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-431908/A-drunk-bigot–US-Presidental-hopeful-HASNT-said-father-.html


  80. cmac says:

    I’m not surprised McCain didn’t push Rumsfeld. He isn’t really a particularly strong character. He talks big – sometimes – but in the end he always rolls over for the alphas.



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