ThinkFast: August 21, 2008
ThinkFast: August 21, 2008
A new New York Times/CBS News poll finds that the economy is voters’ top concern this year, with four in 10 citing it as the main issue; just 15 percent said the Iraq war. Pocketbook issues — “including the economy, jobs, gas prices and energy policy — were the leading concerns of more than half of those surveyed.”
The New York Times reports that a new Justice Department plan “allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps ‘without any basis for suspicion.’”
More than 325,000 people have signed a Planned Parenthood petition opposing a Bush administration proposal that could “stifle women’s access to reproductive health care” by altering the rules for federally funding health-care providers. The proposed rule “takes some forms of birth control and interprets them as abortion,” said Ellen Golombek, vice president of external affairs for the Planned Parenthood Action Fund.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is backing off his 2000 and 2007 pledges to change the GOP abortion platform to grant exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. “There’s a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out,” said a McCain spokesman.
On the trail today: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is relaxing at his home near Sedona. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will join with Gov. Tim Kaine at an event in Chester, VA.
McCain is unsure how many homes he owned, telling Politico yesterday, “I think — I’ll have my staff get to you. … It’s condominiums where — I’ll have them get to you.” His staff confirmed McCain owned “at least four” houses, though other reports say he owns 10 luxury homes.
“Two dozen staffers of the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee will head west this weekend to combat the media coverage” the nomination of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will draw, using the slogan “Not Ready ‘08.” The conservatives plan to use a “parade of high-profile surrogates” and “a Web site touting new attack videos.”
An internal White House document reveals that “the White House is missing as many as 225 days of e-mail dating back to 2003, and there is little likelihood that a recovery effort will be completed by the time President Bush leaves office.” The document “invites companies to bid on a project to recover the missing electronic messages.”
According to senior American officials and Iraq’s Deputy Foreign Minister, “U.S. and Iraqi negotiators reached agreement on a security deal that calls for American military forces to leave Iraq’s cities by next summer” with a goal of withdrawing U.S. combat troops from Iraq by 2011.
A confidential draft of a federal inspector general’s report says that Medicare’s top officials made “misleading” statements in 2006 when they claimed “that they had reduced the number of fraudulent and improper claims paid by the agency.” Though officials said they had reduced the cost of fraud in medical equipment to $700 million, the report found “about $2.8 billion in improper spending” in 2006.
And finally: According to documents obtained by the Colorado ACLU, the Denver Police Department is set to be “on the lookout for stock piles and caches of supplies that could be used by violent demonstrators” at the upcoming Democratic Convention. Certain suspicious items are obvious, such as “chemicals” and “gas masks.” Others — such as “maps,” “bicycles,” and “helmets” — raise some questions. According to the Denver police, bikes, for example, may be “used to slow down responding emergency vehicles.”
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U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
More than 200,000 US public school students were punished by beatings during the 2006-2007 school year, Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union said in a joint report released today. In the 13 states that corporally punished more than 1,000 students per year, African-American girls were twice as likely to be beaten as their white counterparts. ACLU and Human Rights Watch found that in Texas and Mississippi children ranging in age from 3 to 19 years old are routinely physically punished for minor infractions such as chewing gum, talking back to a teacher, or violating the dress code, as well as for more serious transgressions such as fighting.
Corporal punishment, legal in 21 states, typically takes the form of “paddling,” during which an administrator or teacher hits a child repeatedly on the buttocks with a long wooden board. The report shows that, as a result of paddling, many children are left injured, degraded, and disengaged from school. Students with mental and physical disabilities are also punished at disproportionate rates, with potentially serious consequences for their development. In Texas, for instance, 18.4 percent of the total number of students who were physically punished were special education students.
The report documents several cases in which children were beaten to the point of serious injury. Since educators who beat children have immunity under law from assault proceedings, parents who try to pursue justice for injured children encounter resistance from police, district attorneys, and courts. Parents also face enormous, sometimes insurmountable, obstacles in trying to prevent physical punishment of their children. While some school districts permit parents to sign forms opting out of corporal punishment for their children, the forms are often ignored.
Human Rights Watch and the ACLU call upon the U.S. government to prohibit corporal punishment in all public schools and urge state governments, school boards, superintendents, and administrators to eliminate physical punishment in their schools.
One Witness Account: “What made me so angry: he’s three years old, he was petrified. He didn’t want to go back to school, and he didn’t want to start his new school. I was so worried that this was going to constantly be with him, equating going to school with being paddled.”
– Rose T., mother of a 3-year-old boy in Texas who was bruised from physical punishment after he refused to stop playing with his shoes in class.
http://www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen/36478prs20080820.html
I can’t even wrap my mind around an administrator using corporal punishment on a student that has physical & mental disabilities. What kind of sadistic person could possibility think that these children understand what they are being punished for? OMG this upsets me on so many levels, I’m speechless, even for the other children and teenagers also. What amazes me is that the county chapters for MRDD (Mental Retardation & Developmental Disabilities) are not all over them also. MRDD are state run organizations set up to protect the rights of these individuals. The registration starts at 5 years of age.
That is the whole reason for in-school and out-of-school suspensions if the transgression is that bad. Detentions after school for the minor infractions is the accepted practice in Ohio. I can’t believe that a (male) principal “gave three swats to a teenage girl for being late to class a few times” and thought that was appropriate to leave welts. That is barbaric; after school detention and a note home to her parents would have been sufficient.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 amAnd how many Iraq stories does one see on America’s fave info source, teevee, these days? One could forget people are dying because of the invasion and occupation every day there.
Of course, the link between high oil prices and the invasion has always been absent in our lickspittle media.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:04 amA new New York Times/CBS News poll finds that the economy is voters’ top concern this year, with four in 10 citing it as the main issue; just 15 percent said the Iraq war. Pocketbook issues — “including the economy, jobs, gas prices and energy policy — were the leading concerns of more than half of those surveyed.”
Of course, most people don’t see that the Bush Admin over the past 8 years has basically gutted the Civilian Economy — and that we are now living in under a Military Economy. There is direct correlation between all the money wasted on blowing up Iraq to smithereens then calling on Haliburton to rebuild it.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 amIt’s called no-bid contracts. As our Civilian Economy continues to tank (i.e. consumer prices at a 27 year high) —
the average person cannot connect the dots and see that so-called “Patriotism” comes at a might high cost.
Law and Order: Curfew America
War zone security has arrived in the US as cities are shut down at night by police struggling to control a deadly wave of gun crime.
The police state has not arrived quite yet but it may feel like it to the residents of some American cities, where a handful of embattled mayors and police chiefs are imposing strict and sometimes sweeping curfews as a last resort to quell new waves of gun violence this summer. “We must do this because we cannot and will not tolerate innocent people, especially children, to be victims,” insists Eddie Perez, the Mayor of Hartford, the capital of Connecticut, where a night-time curfew was introduced last week and will remain in effect for a month for those under 18 years old.
Nor are there any apologies from the authorities in Helena-West Helena on the banks of the Mississippi in Arkansas, small pockets of which are under a 24-hour curfew that all ages must respect. Police are enforcing it, moreover, with night-vision goggles and M16 military rifles.
In Hartford, the centre of America’s insurance industry, the approach is not quite as militaristic. Children found on the streets between 9pm and 5am are approached and escorted by officers to their homes. Most nights since the curfew came into effect last Thursday have seen only a dozen or so picked up.
But there was nothing softly-softly about the violence that prompted Hartford to take such action. Two weekends ago, 11 people were shot in three different attacks, the worst at the annual West Indian Parade in the city’s North End, which left one man dead and two children hurt. A toddler in a pushchair was grazed by bullet on her leg. A seven-year-old boy remains in hospital with serious head wounds.
“I am still traumatised,” says Darlene Johnson, 44, who had a food stall at the parade with her husband and father. “I see this man pulling this long gun from under his shirt and he started shooting. I just couldn’t believe it. Some people thought it was firecrackers but I knew different. I saw the little girl rubbing her leg and the boy with blood coming out of his head.” Much of the city cannot believe it either, yet 150 shootings have been recorded this year In summer.
Residents of Connecticut’s north end, however, tired of the shootings, seem mostly to support the curfew, though few believe it alone will solve the larger problems of young people with little to do, attracted by gangs and lacking discipline. “We need to keep the young people off the streets,” says Ms Johnson on the front steps of her home.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/20/11084/
I believe part of the problem is that we have parents that unfortunately have to work too many jobs to support their families. Which is causing the breakdown of the American Family. The poverty in our country has not been properly addressed in years is also adding to the record number of shootings. Another part of the equation is all the gangs across the US that fight over a couple blocks that are considered their turf. We have seen that stricter gun laws don’t work, those cities have the highest murder rates. (i.e Detroit, Baltimore, & Washington DC rank in the top seven)
August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 amMcCain is unsure how many homes he owned, telling Politico yesterday, “I think — I’ll have my staff get to you.
This assclown called Obama an ‘elitist’?
Think about someone who doesn’t know how many homes he owns.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 amThis is the same dude who has never held a regular job. He’s been sucking the Fed teat his entire life.
Gramps, I’ve known some heroes, & you, sir, are no hero.
Here’s a gem from the Seattle times this morning:
Iraq leaders shun Sunni ex-insurgents
So much for your political reconciliation that was the basis for the failed ’surge’…
August 21st, 2008 at 9:10 amDaily we continue to lose soldiers in our President’s War and Occupation of Iraq, the death count now stands at 4,145 as of August 21,2008 – Thursday Morning.
http://icasualties.org/oif/(zrf1rrv1fllgc3j0bbgktgiy)/Default.aspx
Seems inconvenient for the newspapers, and television news to even bother to report the ever increasing death toll in this debacle.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 amWhy won’t any member of the bush administration testify under oath if they tesify at all. What are they trying to hide?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 amRight, Obama’s the elitist because he know WTF arugula is.
Geebus McIIIrd, how the FU(K are you getting even 40% of the polls?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 amAnd another thing, if McCain is indistinguishable from Bush why do the polls have them as so close? And why is McLoser ahead in some?
Jeesh.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:13 amReligion AND violence should stay out of our public schools, Freb. All too often, we see too many sadistic people getting into the complex organization of education and childcare, where they’re not surveying and meeting the needs of children at the particular stage in the their life, but looking to exercise brash authority wherever they can find it or easily get away with doing so, for the purpose of satisfying their egos.
And the vicious cycle continues, as the abuse teaches the children that it’s ok to take it out on people you think are weaker, more vulnerable. That produces low quality or otherwise emotionally disturbed adults, and your taxpayer dollars shouldn’t create those problems.
Not surprisingly, the bible belt states are the remaining ones permitting corporal punishment in schools.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:14 amZimzone Says:
McCain is unsure how many homes he owned, telling Politico yesterday, “I think — I’ll have my staff get to you.
This assclown called Obama an ‘elitist’?
This is yet another perfect example of how McStain responds to questions when his staff hasn’t rehearsed his answer.
I can’t wait for the debates! My only concern is whether or not McStain’s team gets the entire content in advance. Obama better pat him down for a wireless receiver before it begins.
PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) is backing off his 2000 and 2007 pledges to change the GOP abortion platform to grant exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. “There’s a process in place for the delegates to work on the platform and we are going to let that process work itself out,” said a McCain spokesman.
People who are planning to vote for McCain should realize that he’s going to take the same approach to his job as President as he has his job as Senator, which has been to not show up.
CNN actually did a pretty good job last night presenting biographies of McCain and Obama. I watched parts of both, and applaud John King for questioning McCain about one of the lies in his book (albeit the wrong lie to question, we know this country’s obession with sex).
I don’t know how anyone, even the average American television-holic, could watch those and still think McCain is the better choice. He’s incompetent to to President.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 amKay Says:
And another thing, if McCain is indistinguishable from Bush why do the polls have them as so close? And why is McLoser ahead in some?
Because the Obama campaign has done a terrible job of reminding Americans that Bush=McCain and that Republicans are incapable of running the country – other than running it into the ground.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
McGrampa doesn’t even know how many homes he has and yet reich-wingers “think” he’s ready to lead? Comical.
Channeling the late Tony Snow, “It’s just a number.”
PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 9:18 amAn internal White House document reveals that “the White House is missing as many as 225 days of e-mail dating back to 2003, and there is little likelihood that a recovery effort will be completed by the time President Bush leaves office.” The document “invites companies to bid on a project to recover the missing electronic messages.”
Translation: The White House is trying to get rid of evidence of wrong-doing.
I wonder how many paper shredders they have gone through??
August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 amKay,
All I can figure is that land lines are obsolete for young Americans. Many have never voted, as well. The end result is polling companies’ results taken ‘as gospel’, while never even polling the new block of voters.
OTOH, the MSM wants & needs a close race to bolster ratings. Don’t ever underestimate the media’s ‘greed factor’…we saw it in ‘00, ‘04, ‘06 & see it again now. In fact, just the appearance of a close race is as much as the Republics can do right now.
McCain / Lieberman – 1908
August 21st, 2008 at 9:19 amYesterday, a polling firm proclaimed johnny “the fundamentals are sound” mccain now has the lead in voter support on economic issues.
Just another lie – like the “beer factor” we heard over and over again – Americans overwhelmingly want to have a drink with an alcoholic/cocaine addict that when AWOL to party instead of fulfilling his obligation to the military.
Yup….. sure….. whatever…..
August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 amKay, think Cell Phones….
August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 amGive it up gg, you look foolish.
Your logic hasn’t applied to anything he has said to date so why would it make any sense now.
If you ask a rancher how many cows he has you will get an exact number. mccain just doesn’t want to answer the question.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:20 amgood_golly4 Says:
McCain may own one or more himself or with his wife, while other condominiums may be owned by a Family Trust or his wife. It’s probably best that he check the property records before giving a potentially wrong answer.
McStain is so lucky to have you here to interpret what he actually means! And since when has the concern about “giving a potentially wrong answer” stopped your candidate from speaking?
Just curious, how many couples don’t know how many houses they own?
PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amFreedom Rebel Says: U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
The people who run these systems really do not care anything about kids, even though they repreat the mantra constantly because it seems to fool most people.
They only care about what these kids represent to them – numbers – which in turn represents money.
Frequently, Principals get funding, and salary increases for attendance in their school. It’s really no different than for-profit, even though it’s supposed to be non-profit.
It’s appalling how we treat these kids – like a big problem with which we must deal. And then we wonder why they turn to drugs, kill their parents or teachers, commit suicide, end up in jail, etc. If we don’t care about them, then what message are we sending them?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amWell…there they go again..those east coast liberals whining about McFilthyrich’s dozen homes or so. McReagan is not elite, he eats BBQ with the ‘liberal media’…just a temporary ‘alzheimer’s disease’ moment. Repubican presidents need to forget on a daily basis…it’s the only way they can sleep at night.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amgoon_golly4 Says:
The University of Chicago is blocking access to records regarding ties between Obama and radical activist William Ayers. What are they trying to hide?
I’m never sure whether goon_golly doesn’t bother to read the articles she links to, or whether she’s so completely dishonest that she assumes no one else will look into her stupid claims.
Boy, it sure looks like they’re “hiding” something.
goon_golly comments: the content-free zone
August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 amgood_golly4 Says: The University of Chicago is blocking access to records regarding ties between Obama and radical activist William Ayers. What are they trying to hide?
His privacy? You have the same right. And there are rasons it exists that you don’t seem to comprehend. I’d recommend you read our Bill of Rights, but I already know that’s pointless because the document exceeds your vocabulary and comprehension level.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 amThe USA needs more ‘radical activists’….someone needs to fight fascism.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 amLocal Clinton backers, McCain adviser meet
A brother of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and local Democrats who backed her unsuccessful presidential campaign socialized privately Monday with a top surrogate of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.
The private gathering featured Carly Fiorina, Mr. McCain’s top economic adviser, and took place at the Dunmore home of political consultant Jamie Brazil, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clinton’s family who has signed on as paid national director of Mr. McCain’s Citizens for McCain Coalition.
The attendees included Tony Rodham, Mrs. Clinton’s youngest sibling, his wife, Megan, and their two children; attorney Kathleen Granahan Kane, who coordinated Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in Northeast Pennsylvania during the primary election; and Virginia McGregor, sister of Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty.
With the Democratic National Convention less than a week away, the gathering raises questions about the support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama can expect from former local supporters of Mrs. Clinton, who dominated at the polls in the Northeast in the April primary election. Mrs. Clinton won 74 percent of Lackawanna County Democrats to Mr. Obama’s 26 percent.
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Mrs. Kane said her presence at the gathering should not be read as a sign of support for Mr. McCain.
“I don’t know. I’m not sure. I’m trying to get as much information as I can on both of them,” she said when asked if she’s backing Mr. McCain. “I would have loved to see her as president. We still have a week to go. You never know what’s going to happen at the convention. I think she would be a fantastic choice (for vice president).”
Mrs. Kane said she didn’t read Mr. Rodham’s presence as a sign he’s supporting Mr. McCain.
“No, it definitely does not. The reason he was there was because he and Jamie are very good friends,” Mrs. Kane said. “I think that was just a social call.”
Mrs. McGregor declined to say if she’s supporting Mr. Obama but said she attended because Mr. Brazil is a friend.
read it all:
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/08/20/news/sc_times_trib.20080820.a.pg1.tt20brazil_s1.1888751_top5.txt
**An entire day for a social call? I don’t think so. I really hope Clinton supporters do not undermine the Convention. Maybe putting Clintons name in nomination is a good idea for some supporters but I honestly believe rabid PUMAs will make a scene. Thanks Calibleu for the link!
August 21st, 2008 at 9:24 amgood_golly4 Says:
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Forget the desperate guilt-by-association witchhunt: I know what you’re trying to hide: your party’s lack of leadership on the frontline issues American’s care about. You’re party is in the crapshoot, what do you have to say for yourself?
You know, when professors teach at the same institution, they tend to know each other. That is, the cross-pollinate between departments, they serve on committees, and they collaborate to fulfill the university’s mission of civic engagement.
Funny you call Mr. Ayers a terrorist, since he has NO CRIMINAL RECORD SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM. (Remember that little thing called “innocent until proven guilty?”) In fact, he is a distinguised university of professor of Education, a title that can only be bestowed by the university president. What do you have to your name?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:25 amgood_golly4 Says:
McCain may own one or more himself or with his wife, while other condominiums may be owned by a Family Trust or his wife. It’s probably best that he check the property records before giving a potentially wrong answer.
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When your home is in a trust, the deed is in the name of the trust. You still own the home and you are still responsible for the property taxes.
Remember their house in La Jolla that had 4 years of non payment of property taxes? That was in the name of the trust, but they were still responsible for the payment.
At the rate McCain is going, he wouldn’t remember if he only owned 1 home.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:25 amgood_golly4 Says:
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McCain may own one or more himself or with his wife, while other condominiums may be owned by a Family Trust or his wife. It’s probably best that he check the property records before giving a potentially wrong answer.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:17 am
What does it say about someone that you need to check property records to be clued in to how many homes you own , whether personally or through Family Trust funds ?
And then have the nerve to call someone else an “elitist” ?
It isn’t about giving a “correct answer” ; it’s about the hypocrisy that is the foundation for the entire GOP ……….
August 21st, 2008 at 9:26 amThe New York Times reports that a new Justice Department plan “allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps ‘without any basis for suspicion.’”
With crap like this going on, it is beyond me that anyone would consider voting for McBush. If they think that he will stop this, they need their head examined.
On the other hand, this will probably be ignored in the MSM so the ignorant masses will continue to think that “all is well”.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amMcCain = more wars
McCain = less jobs
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amZimzone Says
August 21st, 2008 at 9:07 am
This assclown called Obama an ‘elitist’?
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Expect to hear this term used, and used a lot (mostly incorrectly) between now and the election. It’s become the code word the GOP is using instead of “uppity” — but it still means pretty much the same thing: “N***** who doesn’t know his proper place”.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amFreedom Rebel Says:
U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch:
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amA tiny Texas school district may be the first in the nation to allow teachers and staff to pack guns for protection when classes begin later this month, a newspaper reported.
must not feed the cowardly racist troll
must not feed the cowardly racist troll
must not feed the cowardly racist troll
must not feed the cowardly racist troll
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amFred Says: If you ask a rancher how many cows he has you will get an exact number. mccain just doesn’t want to answer the question.
My mom has this AARP flier on the candidates. It clearly shows AARP’s stand on issues, and then compares it to McCain and Obama’s. In every case, Obama agreed with AARP’s positions (because they were humane), and in every case McCain gave no answer.
I hope this wakes up some seniors who think McCain will be good for them. My mom, 64, is voting Obama.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 amgummitch, let’s not kid ourselves – when Obama went back on his promise and voted FOR telecom immunity, he lost a lot of respect and support.
Especially because the democratic party has not held the administration accountable in any meaningful way at all, even when one of their own was railroaded into prison.
The historically low approval rating of congress is directly related to the way the democrats have failed to live up to their rhetoric in 2006. They cannot get excited about another candidate that is showing more of the same.
Please take this as “constructive criticism. To win over many voters, people are going to have to believe that rhetoric BEFORE the election translates in action AFTER the election.
We should see a landslide of historic proportion this fall, but only if the dems can convince the public that things will actually change. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity – I hope dems will seize the moment.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 amHmmm, I see more ‘O’s in goon golly than Obama, don’t you?
I think the real sign of an elitist is those wearing the same name as their Father. Like…
George W. Bush II
John Sidney McCain III
Couple that with no idea how many houses one owns & you have…
an Elitist.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:30 amAt any rate, elite means the best.
Does anyone want the mediocre brain surgeon or the elite brain surgeon? The elite SWAT team or the Keystone Cops?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:31 amgood_golly4 Says:
You want answers from obama but you make excuses for mccain. Why?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:31 amgood_golly4 Says:
Elitism = wealth and hypocrisy.
Wealth and hypocrisy doesn’t = elitism.
Obama = the democrat party’s man with a plan. My party’s job is too avoid discussing the real issues and paint him as the scary black man and hold him to a higher standard in every way. Every nitpicked issue must be inflatable.
Hi, goon_golly
Leona Helmsley thought taxes were for the little guy.
George Will, the fancy pants, thinks anyone below is his class is rubble.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:32 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) is backing off his 2000 and 2007 pledges to change the GOP abortion platform to grant exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother.
It amazes me that these people would rather both mother and child die than to allow a woman to have an abortion that will save her life. That is something I will never understand.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:33 amDr. Hussein Matt – I have seen reports that the mccains are behind on their taxes with some real-estate. Perhaps he can’t remember, but perhaps he is lying and obscuficating – might be a serious “disadvantage” to make any statement about property he owns.
Either way, he is not fit to lead, but if his intentions are to duck the issue and mislead, it’s for a very different reason than merely forgetting.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 amAnd what’s with all this hatred the religious right has for contraception?
Now it’s not enough that they’ve made abortion, while legal, increasingly difficult to get, no now they’re compelled to deny contraceptives to women?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 amgood_golly4 Says:
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The real story behind the Obama/Ayers library cover-up. The records in question are extensive, consisting of 132 boxes, containing 947 file folders, a total of about 70 linear feet of material. Not only would these files illuminate the working relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations, including Obama-approved foundation gifts to political allies. Obama’s leadership style and abilities are also sure to be illuminated by the documents in question. More here.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
You allege that the National Review On-Line and cancervative twit Stanley Kurtz , writing Op/Eds , is somehow the “real story” ; I never knew you were a comedian………..
August 21st, 2008 at 9:34 am#13 McWars Says:
Religion AND violence should stay out of our public schools, Freb. All too often, we see too many sadistic people getting into the complex organization of education and childcare, where they’re not surveying and meeting the needs of children at the particular stage in the their life, but looking to exercise brash authority wherever they can find it or easily get away with doing so, for the purpose of satisfying their egos.
Good Morning McWars:) I agree. All of the teachers I know would never consider this acceptable. Even in the rare cases of violence, they are taught methods to use with the child or teenager that safety is first.
As the old saying goes violence begets more violence. No good can ever come of it.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 amMcCain is unsure how many homes he owned, telling Politico yesterday, “I think — I’ll have my staff get to you.
And they have the nerve to call Obama an elitist. This man doesn’t even know how many homes he owns. Obama owns one and he has a mortgage on it. Seems to me that Obama is more like us than McBush is.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:35 amFrosty Cupcake Says:
At any rate, elite means the best.
Does anyone want the mediocre brain surgeon or the elite brain surgeon? The elite SWAT team or the Keystone Cops?
Great point. Good morning to you.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:36 amspencers mom Says:
Just those that are “elite”.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amBilbo:
What I don’t understand is how any woman could be a Republican. I mean, they (the GOP) seem to despise us (women).
August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: It amazes me that these people would rather both mother and child die than to allow a woman to have an abortion that will save her life. That is something I will never understand.
I think it’s just that they don’t value either – other than as wedge issues at election time.
Red states have far more abortions than blue states. And it’s even worse in bible belt states.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:37 amgood_golly4 Says:
Now I know why there’s an “O” in hypocrite.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:22 am
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Yes, because it derives from the Greek word hypókrisis, which refers to play acting, and contains the prefix hypo, which means “under” or “below” and the stem kri which means “decide” or “determine” and the suffix sis which means “state” or “condition.” The “o” is necessary in separating the P from following consonants, and in distinguishing between hypo- and its opposite, hyper-.
Also – Obama’s campaign and the school are asking the donor of the records to release them, but since these records are private property, they’re really not under the control of either the campaign or the school, and thus cannot be being “blocked” by them. So I guess the only person play-acting, or engaging in hypókrisis about this “issue,” is you.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:38 amThough officials said they had reduced the cost of fraud in medical equipment to $700 million, the report found “about $2.8 billion in improper spending” in 2006.
This kind of fraud is the kind that the Bush Crime Family is not interested in investigating because it is FOB’s that are making millions off of defrauding the system. These people must be really worried about Obama being elected because he will cut off their ability to raid our treasury with impunity.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:38 amGood morning, McWars! :)
And good morning, Everyone.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:39 amFrosty Cupcake Says: And what’s with all this hatred the religious right has for contraception?
More baby Evangelicals their way.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:39 amunbelievable:
And red states also have higher alcoholism rates, higher suicide rates, and higher divorce rates.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:40 amI guess you mean like the ACLU or something like that but mccain has ties to what I consider radical organizations like the swift boaters, ect so what is mccain trying to hide by not answering the questions about how many homes he owns gg?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am“More baby Evangelicals their way.”
I have noticed they are notoriously prone to large families.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:41 amgood_golly4 Says
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
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Both of your links go to National Review Online — an source extremely biased to the right. It has no credibility here — even if the links DID contain more substance than speculation (which they don’t).
I know you think it’s your job to find some pet wingnut issue to skewer us with each morning (and you must have given up on your human-rights-for-zygotes campaign), but this doesn’t represent your best effort.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:41 amgood_golly4 Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
Let’s put your post up on the lift and see what the problem is.
Mmmmm…
Mmm hmmm…
Ah, here’s your problem – you’ve got links to The National Review. It’s making your posts out of balance, and will lead to major problems and possible catastrophic damage down the road.
Better get them taken out asap. And while you’re at it, better shop around for a better source of information.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 amI am reading the Shock Doctrine and the similarities between Milton Friedman economics and the disastrous and calamitous effects it had on South America as well as Poland and Russia are being played out right now under Bush&Co in the USA.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 amThose populations didn’t realize what was happening to them at the time either — it was only after the point of no-return were the people able to see.
Funny how Sen. McCain isn’t an “elitist”, but has millions in assets & accounts, wears shoes worth over $500 a pair, and owns half a dozen houses.
I guess when sen. McCain believes taht anyone making $4 million annually isn’t “rich” then his definition of “elitist” is also suspect.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:44 amgoon_golly4 Says:
Why did Obama hammer the Clintons for failure to timely release records from the Clinton library, only now to have his own records kept hidden in a University of Chicago library? Now I know why there’s an “O” in hypocrite.
More lies already? And while ignoring the very article you started with? Is this really the best you can come up with, goon? Because it is truly pathetic.
All this leaves aside the question of why anyone, the university or Obama, should cooperate in the National Review’s attempt to slander Obama with guilt by association.
If I was held responsible for everything every friend of mine had done in his life, I’d be serving 25 to life. Goon and the staff of the National Review, like typical “conservatives” will stoop to anything in order to “win.”
August 21st, 2008 at 9:44 amFrosty Cupcake Says: And red states also have higher alcoholism rates, higher suicide rates, and higher divorce rates.
I think it goes back to the fact that these places value women less than blue states, or other Industrialized Nations, and you know how much of a correlation there is between the value of woman and a society’s general well-being.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:44 amThe trolls forget that Vietnam was an extremely difficult and tearing time for our country. Anarchy during that period was the norm; even kids who were strict conformists felt it was their duty back home to lash out against the government that was lashing out against them. Of course, without the draft and with the internets, protests are no longer commonplace compared to those days, but I’m still glad to see people out there.
I don’t know what your deal is with the UC thing, goon. UC is a private institution, not bound by disclosure laws. Go to court for a subpoena if it helps bolster your fake outrage. If they deal to release any information, it’s their business.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:45 amRIP, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs, & thank you, belatedly.
You will always have our respect for your unwavering efforts in Congress. Ohio & America lost a great woman this week.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:46 amgood_golly4 Says:
It’s probably best that he check the property records before giving a potentially wrong answer.
You mean the way you always check the Republican talking points before you give an answer.
I checked the property records on my house, and found that the bank owns it.
McCain owns enough houses. He doesn’t need to live rent free at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. for 4 years.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:46 am#29 unbelievable Says:
Freedom Rebel Says: U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
Frequently, Principals get funding, and salary increases for attendance in their school. It’s really no different than for-profit, even though it’s supposed to be non-profit.
It’s appalling how we treat these kids – like a big problem with which we must deal. And then we wonder why they turn to drugs, kill their parents or teachers, commit suicide, end up in jail, etc. If we don’t care about them, then what message are we sending them?
Good Morning :) Exactly, that they don’t matter. I can’t image the emotional trauma some of them went through getting swaps in front of other students. The ridicule alone would make them not want to attend school.
In Ohio, the infractions mentioned against the mental & physical disability students would be grounds for lawsuits here. Even in the extreme cases of the student hitting a teacher, we are suppose to hug them from behind so that they don’t injury themselves or you. Totally non-violent, and usually very calming. We talk softly to them to defuse the situation of stress. Problem solved. In those cases, we give them a time-out for 10 to 15 minutes and take away a privilege that is their favorite. That is the punishment system we use here.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 amgood_golly4 Says:
Elitism doesn’t = wealth.
Wealth doesn’t = elitism.
Obama = elitism.
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g_g4 = STUPID…
August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 amunbelievable Says:
Red states have far more abortions than blue states. And it’s even worse in bible belt states.
Higher abortion rate, divorce rate, incest rate, alcoholism, and closet homosexuality.
That’s family values in action!
PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 9:47 amMcWars Says
August 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am
George Will, the fancy pants, thinks anyone below is his class is rubble.
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George Will equates the lower classes to “the remains of something that has been destroyed”? I think you may have meant “rabble”, but (ironically) this may be more correct.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 amMcAmnesia if elected will be like the downfall of Rome, America will experience the Great Depression of ‘09 and fall
like a ton of bricks once China calls in their debts.
McWars (other than Cheney & Chertoff) is the scariest man in America.
yuck-o.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 amAs usual, goon_golly is misrepresenting the facts. It has such limited critical thinking skills, that does not surprise me. Here’s the facts:
August 21st, 2008 at 9:48 am
Marie Says:
I am reading the Shock Doctrine and the similarities between Milton Friedman economics and the disastrous and calamitous effects it had on South America as well as Poland and Russia are being played out right now under Bush&Co in the USA.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:42 am
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As well as in Georgia/Russia. This little Caucasian spat has got shock doctrine written all over it.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:50 amunbelievable Says:
these places value women less than blue states, or other Industrialized Nations, and you know how much of a correlation there is between the value of woman and a society’s general well-being.
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Very true.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:51 amgood_golly4 Says:
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Elitism doesn’t = wealth.
Wealth doesn’t = elitism.
Obama = elitism.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am
I really need to know this : What exactly about Obama , makes him an “elitist” ?
And please , use your own phrases/words ; not something culled from a right wingnut site ………..
August 21st, 2008 at 9:51 amWhat Does “Change” Really Mean?
Barack Obama has built his whole campaign around change. But he has not yet explained why we need that change. You might think that’s a strange criticism because he has theoretically been talking about why we need change this whole time. But in fact, he hasn’t; not real change. What do I mean by that?
Change isn’t some theoretical concept, it’s real. If my shoes are pinching my feet, I need to change them. That’s not a global statement about the need for change in an ever fluctuating world. It means my feet hurt.
Right now, America doesn’t need some sort of metaphysical change that satiates our society’s need for progress in some vague, unnamed way. We need actual change. We need to stop giving away no-bid contracts to connected companies who get rich off our dime. We need to give some relief to the average taxpayer who is being squeezed by his credit card company, high gas prices and stagnating incomes …
Hold on. Let that sink in. You hear that often from politicians, but they never follow up with what that means or what the reason behind it is. There is a very real reason why your credit card company can charge you usurious interest rates. My credit card company works on a “17 day month.” You know what that means? That means that they only give you 17 days instead of 30 to pay your bill because they hope you’re late so they can charge you huge late fees and crank up your interest rates.
Read this WONDERFUL oped at:
http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/8/20/52930/4586/Diary/What-Does-quot-Change-quot-Really-Mean-
**I have to agree whole heartedly. I still think the polls are wrong because I DON’T think the younger base is being included and they can make this election a landslide, but we have to make them believe in REAL change in REAL issues.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 am#48 Iolair Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch:
Texas school district OKs pistols for staff
Good Morning Ioliar:) I couldn’t believe that one. They are just asking for problems. What if a student that is angry steals one of their guns and goes on a rampage??? We all know it will probably happen. If I had a child in that district I would fight this decision in court.
Great Post :)
August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 amThis is the main legacy of the bush administratin and the predictable result of 6 years of republican control.
I have been waiting for this to happen because it was predictable, it always happens when a republican in in the white house.
Maybe now the American people will wake up long enought to see what is happening. It usually takes a hit to the pocketbook to get people’s attention and now we are there.
It is time for Americans to quit voting on wedge issues and agianst their own best interests and I think record numbers will come out to vote as a result of the huge failure of the bush administration to manage our economy.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 amMCMetal Says:
I really need to know this : What exactly about Obama , makes him an “elitist” ?
And please , use your own phrases/words ; not something culled from a right wingnut site ………..
August 21st, 2008 at 9:51 am
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He once had a salad with arugula in it. What more proof do you need than bitter cabbage?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 amDon’t feed the cowardly dishonest troll
Don’t feed the cowardly dishonest troll
Don’t feed the cowardly dishonest troll
Don’t feed the cowardly dishonest troll
August 21st, 2008 at 9:52 amYou should take your own advice re: the University of Chicago nonsense you tried to peddle.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:53 amgoony – you still haven’t answered why McBush refuses to fully release his medical records. I think that is much more important for a presidential candidate than it is for a University to release records of a non-profit that existed 20 years ago, don’t you?
August 21st, 2008 at 9:53 amgood_golly4 Says:
The real story behind the Obama/Ayers library cover-up.
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Both provided links go to the National Review… gee, g_g, they’d NEVER have a pre-determined agenda here, ya know, sumpin’ like “Make ‘im look bad at all costs…”
Ya know, like Corsi’s embarrassing “best seller”…
August 21st, 2008 at 9:53 amFreedom Rebel Says: That is the punishment system we use here.
Sounds less like punishment and more like common sense.
I am not a fan of punishment, because it does not work. WE have more people in prison than the rest of teh world combined, yet comtineue to have nearly 15,000 homicides each year. If the punishment of prison worked, our incarceration rate would be declineing, but it isn’t.
I think that for every choice in life, there is a consequence. If the choice is unwanted, the consequence should send a message, not humiliate, berate, or hurt. Teachers and Administrators are there to teach, nurture and protect, not act like demi-gods with captive audiences to worship them, as far too many in these positions have become.
We need much better evaluation standards for choosing teachers and Administrators than NCLB’s ‘certification’ process that is all about standardized testing of trivia and pointless information (at $200 per test). We need to weed out the megalomaniacs and sociopaths.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:54 amCover-up.
Watergate.
The Entire Bush Admin.
McWar’s Medical records.
let’s face it: it’s not rocket science.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:55 amIs there any chance that Goon Golly is Geraldo Rivera? I’m having flashbacks to Al Capone’s vault.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:58 amAccording to TP’s latent logic, if they’d just change the site name to “thinkprogress2″ or “thinkprogress3″ every time there was a troll problem, they’d be eliminating the troll shit spray effectively.
Give us a real log-in system for fcuk sake.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:59 amtbone: first laugh I’ve had all morning. thanks.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:59 amgood_golly4 Says:
they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations,
August 21st, 2008 at 9:29 am
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Radical organizations? What kind? Do you think Barack Hussein Obama was involved with terrorist groups like teachers unions?
Oh the horror!
August 21st, 2008 at 10:00 amWe never used corporal punishment on our kids and they were always the best behaved at any get together with other kids and their families.
Beating kids does not make them better people and the biggest problem with it and the reason I have always been against it is that the parents almost always wait until they are angry and then it is not constructive punishment, it is just a beating.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:02 amWhen I was in public school years ago here in Texas, the only kids getting “licks” were ALWAYS the one’s who:
(1) always showed incredible dis-respect for authority
(2) weren’t getting disciplined at home
(3) deserved every ounce of pain they received.
I believe the public school system has the need to enforce the basic principals of public behavior especially when the worst offending kids aren’t getting any leadership at home.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:02 amlordy!
100+ comments in an HOUR?!?!?!
do i even want to try?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:03 amgood_golly4 Says:
Why did Obama hammer the Clintons for failure to timely release records from the Clinton library, only now to have his own records kept hidden in a University of Chicago library? Now I know why there’s an “O” in hypocrite.
Why don’t you tell the truth for once, it might be a refreshing change for you. Obama has no control over those records, as I proved by a prior post. He would be happy to have them released, but he can’t force the person who has control over them to release them. Facts are very inconvenient for right wingers like you, aren’t they.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:04 amDieNowForPeace Says:
Yeah, violence is always the answer isn’t it? Why not just send them home and move on instead of degrading the process with violence?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:06 amMARIE… SHAYNE… anyone else from chicago, or ILLINOIS -
are you going to SPRINGFIELD on saturday?
I’LL BE THERE!
August 21st, 2008 at 10:07 am#DieNowForPeace Says:
I believe the public school system has the need to enforce the basic principals of public behavior especially when the worst offending kids aren’t getting any leadership at home.
You are a seriously misguided person and I feel sorry for your children if you have any. Please see post #105.
Beating children does nothing but make them resentful and angry.
Besides, did you even read the article to see some things these children were being beaten for. Do you really think a 3 year old child should be beaten because he refused to stop playing with his shoelaces?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:07 amkaty Says:
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lordy!
100+ comments in an HOUR?!?!?!
do i even want to try?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Please do
Everyone deserves to have their voice heard…………
August 21st, 2008 at 10:07 amDieNowForPeace Says:
I don’t get your moniker – you are advocating violence against children but you would “die for peace.”
August 21st, 2008 at 10:07 amkaty:
To be fair, though, I’d say 60 or more of the posts are directed at good golly. Why I don’t know, it’s a fruitless exercise, but there you go . . .
August 21st, 2008 at 10:08 amYeah, violence is always the answer isn’t it? Why not just send them home and move on instead of degrading the process with violence?
Brave flowery words from Utopia.
Come to Texas, with the worst school districts in the region, and just TRY to teach some of these totally unwilling to be taught kids while trying to reach the 5 or so in your class willing to be taught.
You’d notice in short order you’ll be behind your curriculum with no chance of finishing the material by the end of the year.
IF MOM AND DAD DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR KIDS ENOUGH TO TEACH THEM TO BEHAVE IN SCHOOL, WE’LL DO IT FOR THEM.
Sending them home isn’t going to do a damn thing to improve their “schooling”.
I say crack their fcuking heads open if that’s the only way to get through to them (mostly future criminals anyway-just like their parents).
August 21st, 2008 at 10:10 amDieNowForPeace Says:
When I was in public school years ago here in Texas, the only kids getting “licks” were ALWAYS the one’s who:
(1) always showed incredible dis-respect for authority
(2) weren’t getting disciplined at home
(3) deserved every ounce of pain they received.
After yesterday’s transgender discussion and now this, I am convinced that someone has hijacked DNFP’s login.
Come back from the dark side… walk towards the light…
PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 10:10 amMCMetal Says:
And please , use your own phrases/words ; not something culled from a right wingnut site ………..
You are asking for the impossible here. Goony is incapable of independent thought. He is a Borg.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:10 amkaty Says:
Frosty Cupcake Says:
So there you have it – constantly feeding the trolls actually PREVENTS people from reading the main posts and participating.
Why do so many believe that they can somehow “show up” a troll who’s only real intent is to prevent others from reading and participating in the main points of discussion?
Are the troll-feeders really that unaware or is this related to some type of character defect where some believe they are the ultimate source of knowledge?
Either way, trolls win.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:11 amDieNowForPeace Says:
I say crack their fcuking heads open if that’s the only way to get through to them (mostly future criminals anyway-just like their parents).
You are one sick puppy. May god have mercy on your soul.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:12 amI say crack their fcuking heads open if that’s the only way to get through to them (mostly future criminals anyway-just like their parents).
This has to be a troll, right? I know I shouldn’t feed them but mow am seriously confused here…
Its a joke, right?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 amAnother lost joe.
DieNow is an imperative.
ForPeace is a clause.
One is advocating violence in order to achieve “peace”, the other.
It usually only confuses the Wingnuts – it’s aimed at their hypocritical logic.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 amI am a little confused. Am I to understand that if I smack the kids around they will be more effective learners?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am#105 Fred Says:
Freedom Rebel Says: That is the punishment system we use here.
We never used corporal punishment on our kids and they were always the best behaved at any get together with other kids and their families.
Beating kids does not make them better people and the biggest problem with it and the reason I have always been against it is that the parents almost always wait until they are angry and then it is not constructive punishment, it is just a beating.
Good Morning Fred :) I didn’t either. I used time-outs when they were little. When they were older in rare instantances, I would take away privileges. (Such as the internet for a day or two) I never had any real problems with either one of mine. Like you I had well-behaved, sweet children.
Have a great day Fred…
August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 amkaty Says:
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lordy!
100+ comments in an HOUR?!?!?!
do i even want to try?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:13 am**Well, when everyone keeps feeding the troll, what do you expect? God I get sick of this. They aren’t going to change any minds but keep up their rants.
DieNowForPeace Says:
I believe the public school system has the need to enforce the basic principals of public behavior especially when the worst offending kids aren’t getting any leadership at home.
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I don’t think that it is the role of the school to take on the parental role. I remember this incident just as if it happened yesterday.
I was in 6th grade and we had a very disruptive kid in class. One day the teacher finally got fed up with the situation, pulled the young man up from his desk, lifted him up off the ground and proceed to spank (all these years later I would say beat) him in front of the class.
Another 3rd grade teacher would put kids in the “dog house.” That meant the child had to sit under the teachers desk, usually for the rest of the day.
Displine is the parents responsibility. If children are being disruptive and disrespectful in school, then schools need to meet with the parents and let them know this will not be tolerated. There are other alternatives out there, spanking or paddling kids at school is not the solution.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:14 amDieNowForPeace Says:
I believe the public school system has the need to enforce the basic principals of public behavior especially when the worst offending kids aren’t getting any leadership at home.
First strike — bigotry against transgender individuals.
Second strike — advocating the use of the tax dollar to inflict violence that breeds more violence.
Your logic is called wingnut logic. And it makes you feel big, doesn’t it? Good job, you’ve satified your ego.
Be willing to educate yourself to progressive principles, or sign out.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:16 amAll right Gigi, you’ve crossed the line.
You can run down libruls all you want. You can pump John McCain to your hearts’ content.
But when you call the University of Illinois the University of Chicago, them’s fightin’ words.
(It’s also important because it’s not Obama’s (and my) school, it’s Ayers’s school, with which Obama has no formal connection. You give the impression that it’s Obama’s school, records and Obama’s friends who may be covering it up, when it’s Ayers school, Ayers’ records, and probably Ayers’ friends who are blocking the release. The University of Illinois at Chicago is a state school, while the University of Chicago is the only great European university left in America.
So–draw!
August 21st, 2008 at 10:18 amWow, this is the mentality that cause us to take our kids out of public schools. The principal in a meeting told me that his job was to teach my child dicipline and respect.
I asked if Dan had been undiciplined or disrespectful and his answer was no and it turned out that Dan had refused a request from a coach to play on the football team. He was large and atheletic but had already seen what was going on and wanted no part of it.
I told the principal that I understood his job to be to teach the children math, science, etc and that my job was to teach him dicipline and respect.
You seem to have the shoe on the wrong foot my friend. The public school system is not set up to educate in America. It is failing at that in a monumnental way.
If parents had to deal with thier child being home instead of in school maybe they would wake up to the problems that the child has instead of just expecting the public shool system to raise their children for them and be a reliable babysitter.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:18 am“Either way, trolls win.”
What makes you so confident? I would disagree but to each their own
August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 amhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/21/headlines
August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 amWhy is this punishment in schools so surprising?
We have a Mob-style Admin that delights in :
secret prisons, prisoner abuse and other human rights violations
August 21st, 2008 at 10:19 amNo hijack, just sick of TP’s unwillingness to reign in stupidity, which is now part of my modus operandi.
Anyway, just sayin’, growing up witnessing corporal punishment, the ONLY kids getting the a$$ handed to them were always, without exception, the one’s who needed it the most cause their mommy and daddy couldn’t care less about little jimmy, hence his horrendous behavior and subsequent spankings (which never, ever, no matter how brutal, effected little jimmy one-way or the other, but did discourage others from acting likewise).
Makes sense to me since “talking to him” or his parents was 100% out of the question as usually the entire family is awash in incompetence.
PARTY ON, OVERLY-SUPERIOR ONES!
Don’t let your moral superiority cloud your ability to see the REAL World.
Work calls so I’m hittin’ the road.
Maybe if TP ever gets a real bullshit filter, I’ll be able to enjoy this site again.
(rock-n-roll never rests)
August 21st, 2008 at 10:21 amDNFP — Are you a progressive with a pinch of nasty Texas conservatism?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:23 amRe: The New York Times reports that a new Justice Department plan “allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps ‘without any basis for suspicion.’”
Our Founding Father left us a clear blueprint for maintaining our democratic republic. We ignore their wise counsel at our peril…
“It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” – Thomas Paine
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” – Thomas Jefferson
“We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.” – James Madison
Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech. – Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” – James Madison
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” – James Madison
August 21st, 2008 at 10:23 amAnother Joe Says:
On the troll problem. I refuse to let them make blanket unfactual statements and not be challenged. I usually just refute their lies and insist that they answer the same question about thier candidate. I never get a response.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:24 amLook’s like a game of ping pong with the troll’s….Nah, ain’t gonna bother….P.B. & J
August 21st, 2008 at 10:25 amRe: The New York Times reports that a new Justice Department plan “allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps ‘without any basis for suspicion.’”
Welcome to The United Fascist States of America.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:26 amDNFP: Spanking doesn’t work at any rate. There are more productive ways, just read Freb’s great posts.
I’d even call spanking a very thin form of molestation. But I don’t have any data on hand, and I don’t want to ruffle any feathers.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:26 amThe New York Times reports that a new Justice Department plan “allow the F.B.I. to open an investigation of an American, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps ‘without any basis for suspicion.’”
Mukasey took his position as Attorney General with the clear mandate to bring back integrity to the Justice Department.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 21st, 2008 at 10:28 amdbadass Says:
Cuz people seem to be saying they skip the thread or don’t participate – isn’t that why people “troll”? Doesn’t that mean they have “succeeded” on effectively shutting down the dialog?
But to each their own.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:28 am#99 unbelievable Says:
Freedom Rebel Says: That is the punishment system we use here.
Sounds less like punishment and more like common sense.
That is what the school systems calls it. I look at it as consequences for your actions. Negative re-enforcement for bad behavior and Positive re-enforcement for good behavior. Because of the great Positive re-enforcements we have very little bad behavior. (We have a reward system that is used everyday, the kids can get a candy bar and other prizes to chose from) A great motivator for exception behavior.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:32 amOh that you would have one percent as much criticizm of the bush admin and thier dark world. Please explain how they compare?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:32 amFred Says:
On the troll problem. I refuse to let them make blanket unfactual statements and not be challenged. I usually just refute their lies and insist that they answer the same question about thier candidate. I never get a response.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am
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I have to say – I find the trolls somewhat valuable in informing me about the wingnut mindset, and what their talking points du jour of the day are.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:34 amgood_golly4 Says:
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Translation. The University is dragging its heals at the request of Obama/Ayers who likely control the records.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am
Amazing how you’re critical beyond belief of a city/state school’s behavior in deciding not to release documents , yet , all I’ve ever witnessed out of you is defending Chimpy and Co to the end when they are questioned about the mountain of documents they refuse to release , citing executive privilege ; how convenient…………
August 21st, 2008 at 10:35 amI find that this kind of discussion has the same effect.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:36 ampeace
MCMetal Says:
Please do
Everyone deserves to have their voice heard…………
done… at least this far…
not as bad as i thought it would be… good comments…
and the trooll poop was easy to step around…
August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 am#136 Witch1 Says:
Look’s like a game of ping pong with the troll’s….Nah, ain’t gonna bother….P.B. & J
Great to see you as always Witch1. I hope everything is going well in your neck of the woods.:)
It is a beautiful sunny day here, and I have to start getting things done.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 amAnother Joe:
August 21st, 2008 at 10:38 amWhy don’t folks just post around them?
True but they seem so weak these days. Maybe it’s just a sign of the times.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 amHaving not weighed in on the public school/corporal punishment debate . . .
Public schools have an impossible task:
Educate everyone who shows up on their doorstep, from high achievers to low achievers to special needs students (including learning disabled, blind, deaf, ESOL, homeless children bussed in from the nearby shelter, etc).
Do it everyday.
Keep disruptions to a minimum so that some learning can take place.
Deal with overly-involved parents (believe it or not, a common complaint at my son’s “high-end” high school filled with wealthy students and parents, in addition to regular people like us).
Deal with non-involved parents.
Never, ever have enough money. (Cheap taxpayers here in the South.)
And finally, deal with students who, yes, have crummy parents, a crummy home life, countless social and financial problems.
I don’t support spanking, and have never used it on my kids (who are great, btw). On the other hand, they are strapped for resources when it comes to dealing with recalcitrant students and their frequently belligerent parents who resent any suggestion that their kids are anything but angels . . .
Glad I’m not an educator.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 amgood_golly4 Says:
they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations
OMG, Obama was tied to an organization which tried to help poor people buy homes on the south side of Chicago. To a Republican, that is a radical organization.
You see, in Republican world, rich white guys should own more homes than they can count, while poor black people should have no home.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 amgood_golly4 Says:
O.k. Let’s check back a week from today and see if that “aggressive pursuit” by the Library has resulted in a release of the records.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am
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And what exactly are you people expecting to find in these records? It’s already public knowledge that Obama served on the CAC board from 1995-2002 and was actively working with parents groups and neighborhood organizations to improve the Chicago school system. Yes, one of the people involved with CAC was a Weatherman in the 1960s and is now a college. professor. Unless you’re suggesting that Obama is some sort of time-travel terrorist, I really fail to see what’s so “radical” or “evil” about fundraising for school reforms.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 amFred Says:
Yup, no one should really post anythign at all – most of all not comment on anything the regulars say.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:41 amFred Says:
True but they seem so weak these days. Maybe it’s just a sign of the times.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:39 am
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Yes, and I interpret this to be good news. It means the barometer of stupidity is reaching record lows right now.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:43 amI agree to a point. I would qualify your statment to only include teachers. The rest of what makes up public education is not interested in actally teaching, they have a different agenda and it makes it hard for teachers to do thier job.
I have a daugher in law who is a public school teacher in LA of all places so I have some insights that help me understand the problems.
I merely responded to your observation with one of my own. I am not telling you what to do so why do you think you have the right to tell me what to do? Oh, and regulars, you seem to be one now so what is your point.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:47 amThey last time I laid a hand upon a student I was adviced by the administration that I might consider retaining a lawyer in addition to the one that would be provided for me as it was a female student who I had to put my arms around to restrain in a cafeteria fight. It was her third or fourth fight that year. Still all she had to do was claim she was touched inappropriately. Nothing came of it as their were countless witnesses and she admitted to friends that she was just saying it to try and get me into trouble and hopefully her out of the 5 day suspension. Wasn’t somebody earlier claiming that some of the rest of us don’t understand the “real world”?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:50 amkaty Says:
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MCMetal Says:
katy Says: … do i even want to try?
Please do
Everyone deserves to have their voice heard…………
done… at least this far…
not as bad as i thought it would be… good comments…
and the trooll poop was easy to step around…
August 21st, 2008 at 10:37 am
But the stench remains ………….
August 21st, 2008 at 10:50 amDNFP — Are you a progressive with a pinch of nasty Texas conservatism?
Got me! Even while I wasn’t carrying my “scene card.”
Grew up here, learned to despise the cowardly conservative and regressive, greedy thinking.
But some things just seem to make sense (not capital punishment, just corporal).
It’s the overly PC world we live in clashing with reality that gets in my crawl.
At least we’ve started using DNA to reverse SEVERAL former convictions of people serving life sentences.
Not much hope for those put to death wrongly before the DNA exonerations began.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:51 amgood_golly4 Says:
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Have you ever notices that the threads I participate in get 3x more traffic? I’m good for TP’s “hits.” You should thank me.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:40 am
You want to be congratulated/given kudos for lying and being stupid ?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:52 amFred:
“I would qualify your statement to only include teachers”
Yes, that’s true. What little I know about it comes from the observations (and frustrations) of teachers I know.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:53 amgood_golly4 Says:
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Have you ever notices that the threads I participate in get 3x more traffic? I’m good for TP’s “hits.” You should thank me.
Thank you. I thoroughly enjoy smacking down dumbass Republican drones.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:54 amWasn’t somebody earlier claiming that some of the rest of us don’t understand the “real world”?
BINGO, the real world being you needed to step in.
The bullshit world begins with you being accused of inappropriate touching of a minor.
Had Corporal punishment not been “off the table”, you wouldn’t have even received an admonishing phone call.
I’m mainly upset that children with no moral guidance (parents) disrupt the learning process, and teachers only means of restoring authority has been removed.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:54 amI am still confused. Should I have punched her in the face instead?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am“the White House is missing as many as 225 days of e-mail dating back to 2003..”
Yet our resident village idiot obsesses over inocuous documents about the Democratic nominee while the current Administrations commits even more crimes. It should be ashamed to be an apologist for such un-American criminals. A disgraceful and deeply un-patriotic piss-stained troll indeed.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:55 amAnd this person is allowed to come back to the school, repeatedly? Why?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:56 amSo you would support floggings instead of incarceration?
August 21st, 2008 at 10:58 amBecause she has a right to an education and the citizens are more concerned with their taxes than with funding alternatives as the system as it exists can not accomadate the varied needs of the clients so we try to force a one size fits all system upon them and then wonder why they don’t buy into it.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:59 amFred:
Don’t know where that incident took place, but in my area it is very difficult to remove students from school as schools are required by law to provide an education to everyone of school age.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:00 amdbadass Says:
the citizens are more concerned with their taxes than with funding alternatives as the system as it exists can not accommodate the varied needs of the clients
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You must be in the south. That’s exactly how it is here.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:02 amI was wondering what took pixel105 so long…
August 21st, 2008 at 11:09 amI understand these problems but in addressing the problem we should consider changing the policy where violence and disruptive behavior is concerned.
A teacher should not have to restrain a child more than once. After that the parents should be held responsible for the childs behavior.
If we are going to have a useful education system then these problems have to be addressed and corporal punishment is no solution. Sorry dnfp but you are a dinasaur, a relic of times when children were property.
Why is this almost exclusivly a problem for education systems in the US? Why do other civilized countrieds not have these kinds of problems across the board? Why are we so regressive in our approach to education?
August 21st, 2008 at 11:10 amFrosty Cupcake Says:
katy: To be fair, though, I’d say 60 or more of the posts are directed at good golly. Why I don’t know …
always a riddle…
not sure why 10+ people need to respond with the same info…
me thinks the repugs are really scraping bottom, for SOMEthing…
ANYthing…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
there really is no there there…
and, guess what!
In a February 15, 2008 article, a Bloomberg L.P. reporter quoted Obama’s rival, Hillary Clinton, who stated that the Republican Party might use the supposed connection with Ayers to discredit Obama if he were chosen as the nominee of the Democratic Party.
whatta gal!
August 21st, 2008 at 11:10 amWow…more McLame sh!t as the WW3 plot thickens. Shrub is still on vacation and Condi is being useless as ever.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:17 am
Freedom Rebel Says:
U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
I must’ve just landed from another planet…Beating of children in American schools? I thought that ended decades ago. Had anyone laid a hand on one of my kids in school, I’d have ended up in prison for beating the crap out of him/her.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:17 amA male principal paddling a young females buttocks? Sounds like there’s something just not right going on in that pervert’s mind.
The fact that McCain doesn’t know how many houses Cindy owns isn’t so much a sign he’s an “elitist” as a sign that he’s a “kept man”. Here we have a man who claims to back what he calls “traditional marriage”, and he can’t even manage to be the head of his household, they don’t file joint taxes, and he has to fly around on Mrs Hensley’s plane while he’s campaigning. No wonder he has so much ambition to be President. He’s basically never “been” anything in his entire life. I’m not exactly impressed with an idiotic student who manages to become a Navy pilot, when his dad and grandfather are admirals. His in-laws basically handed him the AZ senate seat. He has nothing to show for his life.
He’s not “elite”, he’s just plain out of touch. And, does he EVER go anywhere without Cindy? I suspect at this point, she’s more nurse than wife, so I guess it’s good for him to have health care close at hand. One or both of them must be afraid to let the other out of their site. John will take up with another female lobbyist, or Cindy will go back to stealing and popping pills, and who know what else she’s been up to.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:19 am“After that the parents should be held responsible for the childs behavior.”
How would you do that?
I don’t disagree with you on corporal punishment at all, just wondering how you think school systems could hold parents responsible for their kid’s behavior. Keeping in mind there is nowhere else to send the kids for an education in many instances . . .
I think problems in schools are symptomatic of larger problems in the society: poverty, economic disparity, obsession with paying as few taxes as possible, and so forth.**
In the meantime, public schools have to deal with what they get.
** Plus this weird, uniquely American hatred and disdain for the poor.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:19 amLinks to 178
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia;_ylt=AqK1NL2riW37XTJH62iBUcOs0NUE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080819/cm_rcp/how_to_confront_russia_1
August 21st, 2008 at 11:19 amNew rules promulgated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation allow the intelligence agency to open a national security or criminal investigation on a citizen without reasonable suspicion.
The privacy bar has been lowered, such that the FBI needs but a “valid purpose” for an investigation.
When John McCain looks into Vladimir Putin’s eyes, he sees KGB. What does he see in the cornea of Attorney General Mukasey or the iris of President George W. Bush’s?
Congress served as the enabler of privacy’s destruction.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:22 amI forget where it was but I read of a district which attempted to put a financial fine on parents for their childrend violations of school policies. This strikes me as a very bad idea.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:23 amACME_Democrat Says:
The devil starts immoral and illegal wars and/or supports them. If you want to legislates something try giving us the facts on why there are a million dead human beings in Iraq and why that was justified.
Sensible lesislation has been passed and will stand forever as the gop has been unable to overturn roe vs wade even while they had complete control, get over it.
If you wish to contribute, please explain what we do to help those who are not aborted…ei health care etc.
You can’t even run your own life but you want to run someone elses.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:24 amdbadass:
Yeah, I remember that news story. I don’t think the program got very far.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:25 ami’ll weigh in on the “corporal punishment” thing…
my “kids” are now 23 and 28… perfect geniuses, both!
i learned early with my first, a feisty little boy, that spanking does little but teach how to hit… didn’t have to resort to a spanking much in the first place, but did realize it was not the answer i needed… a “parenting class” was the best thing we ever did… and the best lesson learned was: it’s OK to NOT have the last word.
BUT, i did let my kids know that a solid spanking on a bare butt with my bare hand WOULD be a deserved punishment if they wanted to provoke such… with a 3-count warning… each child can remember the ONE time they received it and why…
our local school district required parents to sign a form allowing/disallowing the teacher to administer a paddling…
i explained to my kids that i was signing it to ALLOW the spanking if they so deserved it…
it never happened. they were never worried that it might.
these are some difficult times… glad i’m beyond all that…
August 21st, 2008 at 11:27 amACME_Democrat Says:
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you missed this
Former Nurse on Obama’s Controversial Abortion Vote
STANEK: One night a nursing coworker was taking a little baby boy who had been aborted alive at — between 21 and 22 weeks because he had down syndrome to our soiled utility room to die because his parents didn’t want to hold him, and she didn’t have time to hold him that night, and when she told me what she was doing, I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone, and so I did cradle and rock him for the 45 minutes that he lived.
Barack Obama’s abortion voting record continues to come under fire. Now it centers around his controversial decision not to vote for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act when he was a state senator in Illinois. The act provided legal rights to babies that survived botched late-term abortions.
The messiah is acting like the Devil!!
August 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am
And you missed this………
The story is on FAUX Comedy Channel on-line , which is about as credible as all the equipment Wile E Coyote uses from your company.
And this former ‘nurse’ is Jill Stanek , a whacky Pro-Life activist , whose most recent piece of trash Op/Ed is entitled “Michael J. Fox is a cannibal” ; not too crazy , is she , jackass ?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41010
August 21st, 2008 at 11:29 amgood_golly4 Says:
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I forget where it was but I read of a district which attempted to put a financial fine on parents for their childrend violations of school policies. This strikes me as a very bad idea.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:23 am
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I don’t know about other jurisdictions, but in Florida, a parent can be sent to jail if their child under the age of 16 has too many unexcused absences. Usually first time offenders are sent to a pretrial diversion program with teen jurors, but repeat offenders can actually see jail time.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am
So the question that begs to be asked : How much jail time have you done ?
August 21st, 2008 at 11:32 amgood_golly4:
August 21st, 2008 at 11:34 amTruancy is a different matter as they parent has a legal obligation with regard to mandatory attendance. These fines were conduct related.
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One significant problem with Hudson’s logic is that it requires comparing apples to oranges. The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
Illinois State Representative Rosemary Mulligan sighed when the Huffington Post told her about the “infanticide” claim currently being leveled at Obama. As a pro-choice Republican who is supporting John McCain for president but also worked with Obama back in 2001, she described the first Illinois version of the Born Alive legislation as “a very onerous bill,” adding that “I think that the hardcore, hard right conservative Catholics overreach on this one.”
August 21st, 2008 at 11:37 am[...]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116891.html
Fred Says
MCMetal Says
So how does this change his vote on the Alive Infant Protection Act? This ladies credibility has nothing to do with how he voted.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:37 amFrosty Cupcake & dbadass, I surely do not have answers but we need a national discussion on how to make our education system work for our kids. I know we have dedicated teachers, its the policy people who we need to address.
dbadass, I don’t think fines are the answer either but I don’t think parents should be absolved of responsibility for their childrens behavior either.
As I said earlier, why is this problem unique to the US?
I agree with Frosty that our society is a large part of the problem. I see lots of kids who don’t have the clothes or necessities of life let alone the drive and direction required to obtain an education.
Many are not getting enough food or medical care.
I just think that we could solve this if we wanted to. It just seems that the will is not there.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:38 amgood_golly4 Says:
O.k. Let’s check back a week from today and see if that “aggressive pursuit” by the Library has resulted in a release of the records.
Just like OJ is aggressively pursuing his wife’s killers.
Or Dubya aggressively pursuing bin Laden.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:39 am#179 Exit Stage Left Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
U.S.: End Beating of Children in Public Schools
I must’ve just landed from another planet…Beating of children in American schools? I thought that ended decades ago. Had anyone laid a hand on one of my kids in school, I’d have ended up in prison for beating the crap out of him/her.
A male principal paddling a young females buttocks? Sounds like there’s something just not right going on in that pervert’s mind.
Good Morning Exit Stage Left:) I was taken back when I read the ACLU article. I couldn’t believe it was that bad in the south. The report is mainly about Texas and Mississippi.
In Ohio, if it gets too bad they are expelled. In the cases of violence at school.
Your point about the teenage girl and the pricipal, that is exactly how she felt. That something was seriously not right about that situation. She was deeply humiliated by the experience. I feel bad that she was put through that kind of treatment.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:40 amA few weeks ago, the Huffington Post’s Seth Colter Walls reported that Republican officials and outside groups were set to launch a smear campaign against Barack Obama, accusing the Senator of enabling infanticide.
The issue stems from a state version of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which proposed that any “viable” fetus surviving a late-term abortion receive sustaining medical care. Obama opposed the measure not because he disagreed with overarching purpose, but because of objectionable side-provisions such as a failure to immunize doctors from legal prosecution.
It was, Seth concluded, a ginned-up argument made more complicated by the fact the bill passed in 2005, “free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed.”
And yet, the GOP seems hell bent on furthering the line of attack. In the minutes preceding Saturday’s values forum with the presidential candidates, Pat Buchanan discussed Obama’s alleged vulnerabilities on the issue of abortion before letting it slip that conservative groups were set to hit the Illinois Democrat on charges of infanticide.
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Already, it seems, the wheels are turning. On Sunday, the Associated Press reported that, “a group purporting to tell the “real truth” about Barack Obama’s views on abortion wants a judge to rule it is not subject to federal election restrictions on fundraising and advertising. The Real Truth About Obama Inc., a group formed by anti-abortion activists, is trying to establish a Web site and air radio ads. But the group’s attorney says his clients fear they will be prosecuted for breaking federal rules that restrict fundraising and advertising by political action committees, or PACs.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/obama-infanticide-attack_n_119549.html
August 21st, 2008 at 11:41 amObama: Anti-Abortion Activists Lying About Me
CBN News’ David Brody interviewed Barack Obama after Saturday night’s Saddleback forum. He says:
It seems like Barack Obama’s heated answer about The Born Alive Infant Protection Act is making some headlines out there … Clearly, the conversation over this bill has gotten Obama riled up. He truly believes The National Life to Right Committee is lying about this controversial infanticide bill which he opposed. He is adamant in saying that the bill he opposed in the Illinois State Senate was NOT the same as the federal legislation that pro-choice Senators even voted for.
The Huffington Post previously reported on the effort to paint Obama as pro-infanticide:
Catholic voters should steel themselves to hear Barack Obama accused of “infanticide” this fall. Support for that heinous crime is the latest charge being cooked up against a Democratic nominee by the man who helped to paint John Kerry as unworthy of the communion wafer back in 2004.
Deal Hudson, who was compelled to resign from his role with the Republican National Committee after sordid details from his personal life were brought to light four years ago, now sits on John McCain’s 80-person advisory board for Catholic issues. From that perch, he’s begun launching the “infanticide” smear against Obama in niche media outlets like his own “Inside Catholic” website and talk radio host Al Kresta’s program. (”Infanticide is becoming a touchy subject for Barack Obama,” Hudson wrote matter-of-factly on his website in early July.)
Watch the interview clip and transcript here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/17/obama-anti-abortion-activ_n_119410.html
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i’ve asked that TP do a story on this, to set the record straight… it would be a big help…
August 21st, 2008 at 11:44 amI believe we have the highest percentage of child poverty among first world nations and the stingiest social safety net among same.
I think it’s a big part of the many ills that afflict our society, including problems in the schools.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:45 amAnother One You Missed!!
Barack Obama’s ‘lost’ brother found in Kenya
George Hussein Onyango Obama:He told the magazine: “I live like a recluse, no-one knows I exist.”
“If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed,” he said.
“No-one knows who I am,” he told the magazine, before claiming: “I live here on less than a dollar a month.”
“Huruma is a tough place, last January during the elections there was rioting and six people were hacked to death. The police don’t even arrest you they just shoot you”
Obama the worst brother in the world!!!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 11:49 amAnd George W. Bush, Texas Governor, signed a bill allowing hospitals to discontinue treatment for patients for financial reasons. That could include infants.
http://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/?p=661
August 21st, 2008 at 11:50 amkaty:
If Obama’s campaign responds to that the way they’ve responded to all the lies the GOP has spewed about him up until now I think we’ve a real chance of seeing McCain in November.
PS. And oh yeah, Obama should keep heaping words like “hero” and “sacrifice” upon John “anti-choice” McCain’s head, while McCain trash-talks him.
‘Cuz nothing wins elections for Democrats like rolling over and playing dead.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:50 amGood morning, (almost) everyone!
I discovered last night that I have a seriously obsessed Republican stalker troll who literally follows me wherever on the internets I post and then comments to all her weird stalkery friends about what a “freak” I am.
Also, according to her, it’s all my fault that she stalks me. It has nothing whatsoever to do with her lack of character or morals; nope, it’s all my fault because I post here. You see?
So, just to be the nice, polite liberals you all are, would you mind please saying hello to my stalker troll Lisa?
Thanks!
~A
August 21st, 2008 at 11:51 amACME_Democrat Says:
You link to a distastful picture of Obama and call him the devil.
Have you seen the pictures of bush staggering and falling down drunk at the olympics?
You guys are getting desperate as Katy’s posts reflect and it’s really a pleasure for me to observer….party on but try to stick to facts if you can.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:53 amGood morning, Annie.
An online stalker troll?
August 21st, 2008 at 11:55 amACME_Democrat Says:
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Fred Says
MCMetal Says
So how does this change his vote on the Alive Infant Protection Act? This ladies credibility has nothing to do with how he voted.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Her story has even less to do with Obama and more to do with the morons you stupidly and blindly back ; the health care system is a joke in the US , and the Republicans want to completely privatize health care.
Corporations want to maximize profit and minimize over-sight ; when that occurs , the product/services suffer.
Just what the GOP agrees with………..
August 21st, 2008 at 11:55 amOne More you missed
Hillary Clinton supporters still trying to derail Obama nomination
A massive e-mail and Internet campaign is under way aimed at derailing the nomination of Barack Obama and making Hillary Clinton the party’s standard bearer next week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
In the implosion of the loving and caring left!!
August 21st, 2008 at 11:58 amNah, The hammer comes on board this weekend. Obama is much smarter than mccain and mccain is using the same old playbook. You will see a different game played this cycle.
Acme democrat, you need to quit reading comic books. Try taking a class somewhere, it would benifit you.
Hi lisa
August 21st, 2008 at 11:59 amFred Says:
Are you implying that the award winning Think Progresses content is no more creditable than a Superman Comic Book? Strong accusations coming from a Bleeding Heart.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pmACME_Democrat Says:
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One More you missed
Hillary Clinton supporters still trying to derail Obama nomination
A massive e-mail and Internet campaign is under way aimed at derailing the nomination of Barack Obama and making Hillary Clinton the party’s standard bearer next week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
In the implosion of the loving and caring left!!
August 21st, 2008 at 11:58 am
List all the things that Chimpy McFlightsuit has done to justify the laughable GOP claims of “family values , compassion , honesty and integrity” , dipshit.
BTW
Ms Clinton is about as “left” as you are honest and intelligent…………..
August 21st, 2008 at 12:05 pm#199 Frosty Cupcake Says:
I believe we have the highest percentage of child poverty among first world nations and the stingiest social safety net among same.
I think it’s a big part of the many ills that afflict our society, including problems in the schools.
Good Morning Frosty Cupcake :)
Very true. Also their lack of a positive role model in their lives. We see time and tme again how one person can make a huge difference in the life of a childor teenager.
My examples are the Ron Clark story (Ron Clark is an American teacher who has worked with disadvantaged students in rural North Carolina and Harlem, New York City. He is known for his books and multiple teaching awards.) Lou Ann Johnson’s wonderful story that prompted the movie Dangerous Minds. (Determined to have them trust and respect her, she quickly changes her presentation, wearing leather jackets, teaching karate to her students and cursing in the classroom. Creating her own curriculum for her “mentally challenged” and extremely antagonistic class, she starts having them read poetry, using Bob Dylan lyrics to teach symbolism. Johnson rewards her students for their hard work by giving them candy bars to say good job, toy prizes and trip to a boardwalk theme park.)
All of those kids and teenagers had been written off by the school and the administration as uneducatable, losers for life. It is amazing how wrong they all were, time, a little patience, creative thinking, & looking at life through their eyes made all the difference in the world. These children and teenagers went out to do great things with their lives.
I’m not saying it has to be a teacher, just sayin’ look at what a difference one person made in their lives. Truly amazing people that worked the problem and found solutions.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:05 pmHey, good_golly4…here’s a question for you: How many sisters does Cindy McCain have?
Do you think she should’ve checked the records first to remember that she’s got two half-sisters before lying and claiming she was an only child?
I point my finger accusingly in your direction and dub thee “TROLL.” Now go away back to your bridge and wait for your goats while the adults who actually read the news have a serious discussion.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pmACME_Democrat Says:
No, I’m sorry you can’t comprehend a sentence when you read it. As I suggested before, try taking a class.
None of your lies or distortions came from TP. They come from right wing attack sites and they are full of distortions and the few facts in them are distored to your advantage.
That kinda makes you the devil doesn’t it?
Why don’t republicans support our troops?
August 21st, 2008 at 12:13 pmFred:
You sound like my husband. I hope you are both right. Fingers crossed! :)
Freedom Rebel:
Good morning to you! :)
Yes, those are inspiring stories. Perhaps we could take a cue from the Finnish school system, consistently rated one of the best in the world.
Over there it is very difficult to become a teacher. Their university system to become a teacher is very tough and so if one becomes a teacher, it’s known that they are the best of the best. It is a highly regarded profession, despite not paying extraordinarily well, and thus schools routinely employ the most dedicated, most educated, highest achieving people around.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:16 pmPS. Finnish public schools have no sports. Zero. Considered a distraction from the task of learning.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pmFred Says
Why are you against a free Iraq?
August 21st, 2008 at 12:22 pmThere ya go Frosty. More money is spent on sports than on education here. The football players are what school is all about. Sad and destructive. See columbine, etc.
btw, your husband sounds like he might be intelligent and handsome. Keep your fingers crossed for us though.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:24 pmACME_Democrat Says:
You know, only a child or a petty fool would link to a picture like you do. Which are ya? You obviously don’t want to be taken seriously.
I won’t be responding to your inane posts anymore so type away to the wind fool.
You could redeme yourself if you would explain why republicans don’t support our troops after putting them in harms way, oh yeah, you’re more concerned about Iraqi’s…..nice.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:28 pmAh the little white guy afraid of the black guy. Some shit never dies
August 21st, 2008 at 12:34 pm“your husband sounds like he might be intelligent and handsome”
Ha! ;-)
Gotta run, enjoyed our conversation. See ya!
August 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pmHey, Acne – how can Iraq be “free” if we have American troops occupying the country…?
Just asking.
~A
August 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pmFrosty Cupcake Says:
PS. Finnish public schools have no sports. Zero. Considered a distraction from the task of learning.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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That’s just because the Finns can’t go outside. The air is too polluted with umlauts.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:45 pmNuke the umlauts!
August 21st, 2008 at 12:57 pmPost #34-
Literally the dumbest post EVER.
August 21st, 2008 at 1:00 pmMy school got a new basketball floor, bleachers, and track but still no teachers contract or hot running water in the “science labs”…
August 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pmGroups are being investigated and detained and even charged with some crime by “law enforcement” for daring to exercise their right “peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances”. Congress has passed laws overruling “the right of the people to be secure…..against unreasonable searches and siezures…”and eliminated the need for warrants and probable cause to justify violating our privacy. The FBI is allowed to investigate any and all of us, for no apparent reason. Local police are to share information on the citizens with federal agencies, for whatever reason. And on, and on, and on….
But the biggest concern of the American people is the economy. Go figure….
August 21st, 2008 at 1:06 pm______
katy Says:
The issue stems from a state version of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which proposed that any “viable” fetus surviving a late-term abortion receive sustaining medical care. Obama opposed the measure not because he disagreed with overarching purpose, but because of objectionable side-provisions such as a failure to immunize doctors from legal prosecution.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:41 am
August 21st, 2008 at 1:28 pm_____
It would really elevate the level of political discourse if everyone would stop trying to make points by pointing out that a certain candidate opposed a popular piece of legislation even though they know the opposition was based upon “side provisions.”
good_golly4 Says:
The University of Chicago is blocking access to records regarding ties between Obama and radical activist William Ayers. What are they trying to hide?
Are you kidding me? Do you think that Senator Obama wants to end Vietnam?
Get real..and please join us in the 21st century. We have one of the most corrupt governments in history and you’re focusing on the fact that Professor Ayers and Senator Obama know live in the same neighborhood – even though Ayres despicable acts took place when Obama was freakin 6 years old!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pm