Poll: Majority of Americans open to supporting a gay presidential candidate.
By on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 am
Poll: Majority of Americans open to supporting a gay presidential candidate.
A new Zogby poll finds 65 percent of U.S. voters say they “strongly” or “somewhat” agree that they could support an openly gay presidential candidate. Seventy-one percent also said that they could support the appointment of an openly gay Cabinet-level secretary. According to the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, more than “415 openly LGBT elected officials serve at every level of government throughout the United States, a ten-fold increase in just the last two decades.”
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Maybe we can finally vote daryll off the island!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 amTime for our lovely Daryll to move.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 amWhat would be a good place for our resident holier than thou move?
tony and lido
:D @ Ranting Tommy.
Seriously though, this is good news.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 amto move.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 amThis is good news for Charlie Crist. He can call off the sham wedding to the beard he met 9 months ago.
-GSD
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 amI find that number a little hard to believe … I mean I want to believe it … I just don’t see that kind of acceptance and tolerance on a daily basis.
Hopefully Americans really do feel that way, and it’s just a case of the dissenters being an extremely vocal minority.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 amThey must not have polled any of the intollerant “christians” – they’d never go for this.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 amI guess this means Sen. Lindsey Graham could be McBane’s VP. (Closet door closing).
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 amTo have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
– - A cocaine snorting, dry-drunk cheerleader of a President may have already done that.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 amA gay president would be worth having JUST to see Fundies and tighty-righty’s heads explode.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am‘A brochure on the door of the Episcopal Chaplain’s office at Stanford University reads, “What did Jesus say about homosexuality?” When the brochure is opened the inside is completely blank. Episcopal Chaplain Penelope Duckworth explains, “For we, as Christians, pay particular attention to the words of our savior. Jesus said nothing regarding homosexuality, and in his ministry spoke more about the sins of the spirit than the sins of the body…Our reading of the Bible in its entirety is one of a loving, forgiving and nurturing God who wants us to help create a world that accepts and empowers us all.”‘
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 amI guess Darnell could move to Iran, after all, they have no gay people there.(gr) Thats what their leader said.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 amtony andlido
bentley1 Says:
I guess Darnell could move to Iran, after all, they have no gay people there.(gr) Thats what their leader said.
tony andlido
…or North Korea – the dummy would be surrounded by people just like him.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 amAmerican holier-than-thou people will not allow this, as well.
There — I fixed it for you, Dargoyle…
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 amHow can a person in sin lead this country. The person would ultimately have to answer to God for his deeds.
Ummm — Dargoyle…did it occur to you that McSame is “in sin” for having dumped his first wife to commit adultery every day with his current Stepford wife? And if that’s the standard for leading this country — that it has to be someone who isn’t “in sin” — then I guess we’re doomed to never have another leader, eh? After all, as Jebus says, “let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone”.
Ooooo — I just love it when I can quote their scripshers back to them and use it in the right context!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 amDaryll Says:
Exactly. Never trust polls. How can a person in sin lead this country.
– - Daryll’s lobbing some REAL softballs today.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 amDaryll Says: No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
Jesus destroyed a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. He hardly qualifies as a compass for morality.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 amTo have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
daryll will only be happy when we have an asexual president. You know . . . someone like Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 amDaryll Says:
Wow, Stanford, located in land of free for all sin.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am
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How does the location of the pamphlet affect the fact the Jesus said nothing about homosexuality?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 amDaryll Says: The person would ultimately have to answer to God for his deeds.
Point to where it says ‘god’ in the Constitution.
It doesn’t because the Prseident is accountable to the U.S. people, not invisible sky wizards.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am“No means no”?
WTF is that supposed to mean, D?
What do you make of the rumors that Lincoln was gay?
Daryll, what have we told you about judging others? Especially judging the University that gave Condi Rice to the nation?
Not very Christian, D-bag.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 amLarry Craig/Mary Cheney 2012
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 amDidn’t Jesus also say that it was high time we started calling him “President-elect Huckabee”?
I thought I heard that somewhere.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 amI think Darryl would be more pleasant if he came out of the closet himself.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 amHe does seem like he’s phoning it in lately, doesn’t he?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am‘invisible sky wizards’ = SICK band name
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 amDaryll Says:
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TXProgressive Says: They must not have polled any of the intollerant “christians” – they’d never go for this.
Exactly. Never trust polls. How can a person in sin lead this country. The person would ultimately have to answer to God for his deeds.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Isn’t an alcoholic and drug addict a “sinner” ?
Then how come Chimpy has been president for almost 8 years if the claim you’re making above is true ?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 amDaryll Says:
Wow, Stanford, located in land of free for all sin.
Heh. Daryll has obviously never been to Palo Alto.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 amdeebaser Says: ‘invisible sky wizards’ = SICK band name
Coincidentally, I got the phrase from a guy who lived in Seattle. :)
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 amDon’t forget folks, this is good news for all the closet Repubs. Larry Craig doesn’t have to hide his toe tapping !
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 amDaryll Says:
“No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.”
I’m having a hard time finding where it is in the Bible that Jesus himself said this, Daryll.
Take Daryll’s post as an indication. The intolerant minority is a minority and it is vocal.
Truth be told: Jesus didn’t say anything about gay people and he said a helluva lot about loving others, no matter what. If homosexuality is a sin, that still wouldn’t give me enough differentiation to witdraw my support for a political candidate. There will never be a presidential candidate (or a person) without sin.
We’re all entitled to our opinion. I’m a Christian (and there are many like me) who base decisions for political leaders on things that are material to running the government.
I find that most of my Christian friends, while they have strong convictions on this issue, agree with equal treatment under the law. They think Marriage is a religious institution at the same time as agreeing that same sex couples should have the same rights. Many wouldn’t admit their interior tolerance of homosexuals openly, but becuase they are true Christians who love others, they have a tolerant opinion.
I wish the few of us Christians didn’t give the majority of us such a bad perception.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 amExactly….. Daryll.. You hypocrite, regardless of how you feel in your “Make Believe World” Its “God’s judgment not yours! Your interpretation was translated to fit your agenda of the time…. Get over it, move on…. after this, what group will your “pray” upon next? Idot…. I am Gay, I am prowd… I know I was made this way…. and I did not “choose” it as you think. I am looking forward to the day when my “Husband” and I of 8 years can join hands in legal matrimony!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 amPoll: Majority of Americans open to supporting a gay presidential candidate.
Hey daryll
This should be thrilling news for you ; it means more votes for the GOP…………
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 amDaryll has obviously never been to Palo Alto.
I doubt that daryll has been more than ten miles from his mommy’s basement . . . even on that short bus he rides to school every day.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 amCongratulations to the gay community for educating people on the fact that they are humans too!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:31 amIt just amazes me how intolerant Daryll is. To claim to be a christian and to speak the way he does. It’s not very christian.
There is much more to worry about in this world than the sexual orientation of a world leader or any cabinet member.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 amWWJD? Vote for a gay president. Jesus always stuck up for those who were being persecuted by the mob…
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 amDaryll Says:
Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act.
Please, can you point me to the relevant passages in the Bible where Jesus actually deems homosexuality as an immoral act?
Or admit that you were lying. You could even admit that you were wrong.
Or I’ll flag your comments on sight, on a manner of principle.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 amHey, after almost 8 years of this Administration’s insanity, I’d vote for Bugs Bunny dressed as Carmen Miranda! A cartoon caracter in drag would be an Infinite improvement over the current slow-motion train wreck!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 amImpeach Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Daryll said:
No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
But I guess an alcoholic, drug addict, lying, chicken hawk coward passes the Jesus test then?
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 amLarry Craig ‘12 !!!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 amI guess that explains our bisexual W who stole the election of 2000 and 2004.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 amgood_golly5 Says:
I’ve got no problem with it.
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Well… it really would broaden the field of potential GOOPer candidates!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 amDaryll Says:
Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act.
Jesus was a librul! Your statement is a reichwingnut wive’s tale. You live with fear and smear. Jesus would not know you.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 amCOnservatives should not be allowed to run for pulbic office, as they have no ability to even understand governing. Governing is a liberal mindset. At its very core is the desire to help others. Conservatives have no clue how to help others, and others do not even play a part (other than being in the way of conservatives desire to make money) in Conservative world. There are no Conservative HELPING non-profits. You don’t see Coservative soup kitchens. Now , dont lump religious house of worship in there, because Christian religion is a liberal mindset also, just because some have bastardized the construct of organized religion (Read: megachurch) does not then turn all religious undertakings into the Conservative column.
Conservatives have proven that they want no part of governing, as was said and acted upon by the booosh cabal, they want to shrink government to the size that it fits into a bathtub and then drown it.
What does that actually say? That says that they want to do away with the United States of America. What else can it mean? They have had this fukced up mindset since Nixon’s first egotisitcal run. The Republicans have lost all ability to even have the American spirit in them. They are Fascists and it shows totally in their words. We just need to listen to them, and believe them when they say these seemingly incredulous things. They are speaking the truth to their hatred of this country.
True CONSERVATIVES better step away from the plate here, and run for cover, as you will be squashed and brushed into the pick-up bustbin along with these cretins. They have used you.
It is AMAZING that the Conservative never heeded the parting words of Eisenhower.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 amhttp://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
Alecto – I totally agree. Republicans are good are buying/lying/swift-boating their way into office but they’re really, really bad at running the government!
Unless leading the country into false wars and massive debt is good thing of course.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 amTake this poll with a big grain of salt. Think about it this way. How many times have we elected a President who wasn’t married? This type of poll is a measurement of progress, but not that type of progress.
What it indicates is that it is now not as publicly acceptable to express negative comments towards gays in polls.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 amI totally agree. I think we’ve moved forward with regard to tolerance, but it’s a lot easier to say you’d support a gay presidential candidate when there’s none on the horizon.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 amIn the past, when Daryll has chosen to address this issue (which isn’t often, believe me; he usually just ignores it and then skulks away) he has tried two tacks, both of them equally futile:
One is to quote some of Paul’s epsitles, which as we know, are the words of Paul, not Jesus. Daryll will try to claim that Jesus was speaking through Paul, but I don’t think even Daryll buys that, and he knows no one else does.
The second tactic is to quote a passage where Jesus responds to a question about marriage and divorce, and he tries to shape it so that it could possibly sound like Jesus is delivering a talking point, like John McSame: “marriage is between a man and a woman”. When it’s pointed out that the passage is actually about divorce (a subject on which Daryll is conspicuously mute, especially given his candidate’s marital history) Daryll ignores that point and tries to move on, often by losing his shit and screaming about binding our sins and “shaking the devil off”.
Lately he’s just become sooooo predictable. I urged him to bring some fresh blood into his writing staff, but he’s content to work with the same material over and over.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 amDaryll: having a born-again Christian lead this country has already destroyed it.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 amIt’s like it would be the first. James Buchanan was about as openly gay as a person could be in the 19th century.
He was also a terrible president, only surpassed by W as the worse. I don’t think that had anything to do with him being gay, just a coincidence. After all, W’s not gay, has he IS the worse president ever.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 amDaryll Says:
No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
Perhaps you can enlighten us on what Jeebus thinks about invading/occupying a sovereign nation and murdering hundreds of thousands of their citizens. How about stealing taxpayers’ money and giving it to rich corporations? How about gay bathroom sex, gay hookers and prostitues?
Does Jeebus have a wide stance?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 amBecause you and Gigi feel uneasy about owning the more absurd Christianist values that Daryll expounds, so you have to project them back onto your opponent.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 pmCheese and Crackers Says:
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Personally, I wouldn’t care if the President was homosexual, so long as he (or she) shared most of my political views. In fact, I’d rather have a gay Republican in the White House than a straight Leftwing Democrat.
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How has that reichwingnut drunk and five deferment coward worked out for you there, genius. Jesus was a liberal
Cheese and Crackers Says:
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Personally, I wouldn’t care if the President was homosexual, so long as he (or she) shared most of my political views. In fact, I’d rather have a gay Republican in the White House than a straight Leftwing Democrat.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pmDar-
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pmStill waiting for the NT passage showing Jesus’ condemnation of homosexuality. Don’t be quotin’ OT Leviticus, cuz I KNOW you don’t follow the 600+ rules in there, only one of which prohibits men laying with men as they would with women. More about animal sacrifices
bentley1 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 am
Time for our lovely Daryll to move.
What would be a good place for our resident holier than thou move?
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I understand that Iran has no homosexuals — Daryll should be very happy there.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 pmDaryll Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am
No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
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First point — Jesus never said word one about homosexuality. This has been pointed out to you time and time again, yet you have never provided anything to back up your point. Here’s a tip — merely repeating the same lie over and over again won’t convince us that it’s true.
Second point — you are supporting a man for President who is a known womanizer, has cheated on his wife, and eventually dumped her for his mistress. Why wouldn’t this “mean the end for this country”? Because he’s a heterosexual, it’s OK? C’mon, get real.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pmCheese and Crackers Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
That’s true. Still, there is something almost too conventient about Daryll. He seems too manufactured. He fills the profile of an uber-Lefty’s stereotype of a conservative just a bit too perfectly to be real.
My bet, he’s either a TP sock-puppet or a Moby.
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You’re right that Daryll fits such an exaggerated stereotype that he can’t be real. We believe he’s an independent performance artist. If he was a TP plant, they would surely require him to freshen his material once in awhile. It’s been a bit stale lately.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 pmWell said, missmolly. Daryll has been posting here for a long while and has remained in character the whole time. That can’t be easy.
Frankly, I doubt if TP has the resources to devote to that kind of rigorous character development.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm#7 Daryll Says:
MORALIZE THIS,
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD JUDGE?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD STONE?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD CONDEMN?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD KILL?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD ROB NATURAL RESOURCES FROM?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD BEAR FALSE WITNESS TO?
WHO DID JESUS SAY WE SHOULD PUT BEFORE ALL OTHERS?
Daryll,
You aren’t loving when you spit upon the leper.
Christ even impressed this much. Weren’t you paying attention?
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August 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm.
Daryll,
PLEASE QUOTE THE PASSAGE AND VERSE THAT CHRIST SAID HOMOSEXUALITY WAS IMMORAL?
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August 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pmWow, this Daryll character is amazing. Last I checked Jaysus Chrast never said anything about gay people.
Now the Bible DOES teach you to murder people for all kinds of silly reasons.
I guess that makes George W. Bush a good Christian.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pm“Wow, Stanford, located in land of free for all sin.”
Daryll is correct, in one respect: those who live in the area awake each and every day planning on which “sin(s)” to commit.
As hussein toasterhead points out:
“How does the location of the pamphlet affect the fact the Jesus said nothing about homosexuality?”
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm#14 – Daryll Says:
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“How can a person in sin lead this country. The person would ultimately have to answer to God for his deeds.”
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Yet another reason to NOT allow Sen. McCain to gain the Presidency! He’s admitted his divorce was not due to sexual infidelity!
Sen. McCain = sinner who cannot be allowed to lead America!
Although, that is one of the biblical verses that Daryll conveniently ignores in his “pick & choose” approach to ‘c’hristianity.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pmDaryll Says:
No means no. We are talking about morals. Jesus deemed homosexuality as an immoral act. To have a homosexual lead this country would mean the end for this country.
No he didnt. YOU made that up. This argument is over. 50 years from now this issue will be seen as a joke, and idiots like YOU will be the punchline. People, as opposed to whatever YOU are, simply are becoming more tolerant your bigotry is just sad.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:11 pmDaryll Says:
Wow, Stanford, located in land of free for all sin.
We all understand that you are incredibly ignorant Daryll. You dont have to work so hard to keep your reputation for abject stupidity alive. Its already a done deal. To put this VERY simply, in deference to your obvious deficiencies, if you want to say she is wrong then go get a bible, I assume you have one, and cough up where jesus condemned homosexuality its just that simple and nothing else will do
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 pmHow many times have we elected a President who wasn’t married?
James Buchanon was never married and Cleveland married while in office.
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:21 pmCheese and Crackers. A lot of what you post is reasoned and reasonable. I am practically with you. I would MUCH rather have a lefty Dem who is gay be president than Pretty much ANY republican. Based on agreement with my values and policy. Personally I couldnt care less who is gay and who isnt. Its about how well they can do the job. Why would I care if my mechanic were gay as long as he did a good job fixing my car. This is really the same dynamic
August 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 pmWho did Zogby poll? Where are the Demographics of this poll? To me this is b.s. and frankly I mistrust anything the Corporate controlled media pushes. IMHO it’s simply another way to distract the public from the real issues our failing economy, growing government intrusion, gutted manufacturing capacity, open borders, eroding freedoms and an economy and political system controlled by a tiny minority of elites.
First of all, whether gay people like it or not we live in a predominantly heterosexual society? How do you think the people that are gay got here in the first place? It’s called intercourse and in case gay people havn’t noticed when conducted between men and women the result is children, a minority of whom choose a gay lifestyle.
Personally, I could care less about the sexual preferences of gay people but if the person running was another leftist liberal buying into the myth of the State as Mommy and Daddy and into building more power into the Federal Government then he/she can go f themselves along with sell out, globalist liberals like McCain and Obama.
I’ll take a true conservative like Ron Paul any day who sees through the sham of the Federal Reserve, a private cartel of international bankers who have our economic and political system well in hand with bought influence and one world government cheerleaders from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) of which Cheney, Rice, Bernanke, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Henry Kissinger (who accompanied Bush to China for the Olympics), Elaine Chao and many other members of the Bush cabinet and key political positions. The Honorary Chairman of the CFR is David C. Rockefeller a fact easily identified from their website in the annual report (www.cfr.org).
It’s all a crock of b.s. and the gay issue is just another way of distracting the public from the real goal which is enslavement of the majority by a minority of self appointed elites as are represented in the CFR. (Check out their Corporate member list and then go the opensecrets.org and see how many of their members are in the top 20 list of the candidates contributors.)
This poll is more puppet show distractions from the puppeteers. Stop wasting your time with this b.s. and start recovering your stolen freedoms from these manipulative slime balls by voting them out of office. Screw Obama and McCain (a CFR member since 1997) they will change nothing with their globalist UN and international bankers support as they undermine all of our freedoms including those of the gay community.
Why do you think they push socialist schemes? It transfers power from the people to the State run by a minority as in any Communist/Socialist form of government. Guess what it does for them? If more power is transferred to the State how much more important and necessary are politicians do ya think?
For some education on the reality of our system and a peek through the wool that has been pulled over your eyes go to http://joeplummer.com/meet_the_system.html and download the pdf or read it online. You will not look at any of this the same way again gay or straight. Like Martin Luther King stated:
“We may have all come here on different ships but we are all in the same boat now.”
And if you havn’t noticed with over $9.4 Trillion in national debt and unfunded liabilities of Trillions more from the failing SS system and Medicare/Medicaid, gutted manufacturing and a sinking $, the ship we all are sailing in is beginning to sink big time. Regardless of your sexual persuasions and choices, wake up or you’re going on down with it along with the rest of us.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 pm