ThinkFast: August 22, 2008
ThinkFast: August 22, 2008
“The United States has agreed to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by next June and from the rest of the country by the end of 2011 if conditions in Iraq remain relatively stable.” The draft agreement, which “has the support of the Bush administration,” still needs to be “approved by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki and other Iraqi leaders before it goes before Iraq’s fractious Parliament.”
The Shiite-run Iraqi government “is driving out many leaders of Sunni citizen patrols” that have allied with the U.S., known as the Awakening. “In restive Diyala Province, United States and Iraqi military officials say there were orders to arrest hundreds of members” of the Awakening “as part of large security operations by the Iraqi military.” “The state cannot accept the Awakening,” one Parliament member said.
A new Pew study finds that 50 percent of conservatives “think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago.” For the first time since Pew started this survey 12 years ago, a majority of Americans — 52 percent — also hold that view.
The Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.” Jessica Arons of the Center for American Progress writes that the regulation could be used to block access to contraception.
On the trail today: Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain have any scheduled public events.
Tackling the “unsexy topic of our soaring national debt,” a new movie called I.O.U.S.A. warns: “America must mend its spendthrift ways or face an economic disaster of epic proportions.” The New York Times reports that it’s “yet another documentary that everyone should see but most will not.”
Despite President Bush’s promise to double the size of the Peace Corps, officials say the agency “is preparing to cut back on new volunteers and consolidate recruiting offices as it pares other costs amid an increasingly tight budget.” The budget shortfall “can be attributed to the declining value of the dollar overseas and the rising cost of energy and other commodities.”
“Federal wildlife monitors spotted nine polar bears in one day swimming in open ocean off Alaska’s northwest coast, and environmental groups say the event is a strong signal that diminished sea ice brought on by warming has put U.S. bears at risk of drowning or dying from effects of fatigue.”
The government’s terror watch list system “is hobbled by technology challenges, and the $500 million program designed to upgrade it is on the verge of collapse, according to a preliminary congressional investigation.” The report finds that the system, which includes as many as 1 million names, also “has problems identifying true potential terrorists.”
And finally: This week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski “celebrated the signing of a missile shield deal…with Georgian wine, a choice sure to leave a bitter taste for Russia.” Poland, however, insisted that the choice of Georgian 2005 Kakhetian Royal wine was “not meant as a slight to Russia.” “(Rice) smiled and, if I remember correctly, said she had had a chance to deal with Georgia and its politicians, but had not tasted its wine,” said Deputy Foreign Minister Ryszard Schnepf.
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Homes McCain doesn't remember having worth nearly $14 million
All told, the seven properties at which the McCains can rest their weary heads after long days on the campaign trail are valued at nearly $14 million, according to two separate research documents.
There's also the matter of the McCains' daughter, 23-year-old Meghan. While many 20-somethings are lucky if they get a car for a college graduation gift, Meghan's present for finishing at Columbia University was a $700,000 loft in a hip section of downtown Phoenix.
A GQ profile of Meghan McCain, whose only job at moment seems to be blogging on her father's behalf, described the loft's interior as looking "like a spaceship furnished by West Elm." Wooden block letters arranged above McCain's kitchen cabinets spell the word indulge.
One wonders if this is a lesson the young McCain learned from her parents, who, by the way, according to property records, paid for the condo in cash.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Homes_McCain_doesnt_remember_having_worth_0821.html
You just can’t make this stuff up: which leads me to the McCain’s issue of servants or should I say the hiring of more servants.
The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain's tax returns. (source Politico)
They spent over a quarter of a million dollars on the hired help. But Cindy’s half-sisters aren’t going to get a dime of it; she’s a little strapped for cash trying to pay all the hired help. Whose calling who an Elitist? These people have no shame..
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TODAY's CONTRIB:
RUDIMENTS OF ELECTIONEERING THE DEM 44th, 1600-PENN_ER AND A 111th FILIBUSTER-SILENCING DEM MAJORITY - STRATEGY #1
From Ye Old TP Archives of lasteryears
TP Headline: Conservative ‘Homophobic Hypocrisy’ In Craig Scandal
(Larry Craig was in vogue and TP's old commentary format capture was all the rave)
#36
I intend to visit our friends in N.C. next year. When my small sons need to use a public bathroom in the then I tell them to shout
“Is there a Republican Senator in here?” first. And rather use the ladies room instead if there is a “yes” for an answer.
Original Comment by doro — August 30, 2007 @ 11:42 am
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Responding to: Comment by doro — August 30, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Cool! Lets make small flash videos and circulate them right before the ‘08 vote. That’ll teach the GOPrs for stealing our personal liberties away like thieves in the night.
Original Comment by James Saville Row — August 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
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Responding to: Comment by James Saville Row — August 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Great idea. You’ll have to be imaginative in getting the truth out in the next elections, I’m afraid the Democratic party will not be handling it well enough. They have this strange caving-in tendency.
Original Comment by doro — August 30, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
'Original' and 'Responding to' tags added for clarity
Will any rendering of the foregoing strategy bear bountiful fruits?
Gently place your staff down, face the east and chant: TOM FOLEY! TOM FOLEY!! TOM FOLEY!!!
Now pick up your staff and proceed straight into the rising sun of a brand new day of transparency in Government and the rekindling of the mighty lights of the US CONSTITUTION as a start!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 amMcCains buy second beach condo in the same building at the same time McCain advises Americans to skip their vacation to make their mortgage payments
It turns out that a few months ago, a McCain family corporation closed on a second multi-million-dollar beach condo in the same building in exclusive Coronado, California -- at around the same time that John McCain offered his somewhat tone-deaf observation that struggling homeowners were "working at second jobs" and "skipping a vacation" in order to make mortgage payments on time.
Cindy McCain discussed the timing of the second condo purchase in a June interview with Vogue magazine.
Cindy told her interviewer that the reason they needed a second beach condo in the Coronado building was that the first was too crowded because her kids were staying there and as a result she "couldn't get in the place."
Cindy continued: "So I bought another one."
On March 25, John McCain said:
And 51 million homeowners are doing what's necessary: working at second jobs, skipping a vacation, and managing their budgets to make their payments on time.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/mccains_bought_second_beach_ho.php
Beer Heiress Barbie doesn’t like to be inconvenienced. Nobody should have to sleep on the sofa in the living room, least of all her children. Buy another condo, it was only $2.7 million dollars. At the same time John McCain made another attack on Obama saying that he made $4 million dollars last year. The dementia must really be setting in now because, the other day (Saddleback) he said people making $5 million and under was part of the middle class.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 amThe United States has agreed to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by next June and from the rest of the country by the end of 2011 if conditions in Iraq remain relatively stable.”
I don't get how they can attack Obama's ideas and then turn around and implement them, while patting themselves on the back for having come up wituch a terrific plan.
But what I really don't get is how the Average American fails to get that they are taking Obama's advice, while clling him too inexperienced. He's got more experience now than Lincoln, the man Al Gore calls the Greatest President, did at the time he took office.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 amA new Pew study finds that 50 percent of conservatives “think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago.” For the first time since Pew started this survey 12 years ago, a majority of Americans — 52 percent — also hold that view.
Good. Now the candidates can stop attending faith-based forums, stop saying 'God bless America' at the end of every speech and stop pandering to the fringe religious kooks.
But I won't hold my breath.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 amWhat the heck is this about?
The Scranton, Pennsylvania, Times-Tribune reports that on Monday, the top economic adviser for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Carly Fiorina, met with Tony Rodham -- the younger brother of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY -- and some others, including Rodham's wife, at the Dunmore, Penn., home of a political consultant close to the Clinton family, Jamie Brazil.
Brazil is now national director of Citizens for McCain.
This news comes just a few days after former President Bill Clinton praised Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for his position on global warming.
Boy, I can’t imagine why anyone would think the Clinton family is trying to defeat Obama so Hillary can run in 2012!
Clinton's office did not respond to a request for comment
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 amGood morning, campers. TGIF.
The US has agreed to remain ONLY combat troops from Iraq, leaving tens of thousands of "other" troops for "training" Iraqi forces, etc.
THIS IS STILL WRONG! ALL US troops and contractors need to be withdrawn IMMEDIATELY AND COMPLETELY!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 amooops! remain should read withdraw.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 amWill Biden be the VP choice today?
Many think Romney will be McCondo's choice, but Obama's staff have kept his choice well protected.
Personally, I like Joe Biden a lot. I believe we still need him in the Senate, though. OTOH, Joe can 'tell it like it is' as well as anyone in D.C. I can envision him calling McCondo on his BS, which would make for some interesting reactions from the Republics, eh?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 amNo wonder McCain feels the economy is not so bad and his advisor Phil Gramm thinks America is just a nation of whiners--with this much wealth, an elite like McCain can really distance himself from middle America. McCain's economic plan is a full on extension of the Bush plan to only make government work for the 1% who are their biggest, corporate financial supporters. McCain's biggest issue will now be to find a way to wedge POW and the Surge into his answer for why he does not know how many houses he owns.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 amThe Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.” Jessica Arons of the Center for American Progress writes that the regulation could be used to block access to contraception.
I saw part of a very interesting lecture given by a Political Science Professor on CSPAN. He was pretty much slamming the unconstitutional presidency of Bush, and his belief that he has powers to do whatever he wishes - which this is yet another one of those times that he thinks he can usurp the legislative power of Congress and play king.
We already refuse to discuss the population growth problwms we have, how in the world do we expect to deal with even more people when we can't already take care of the people we have?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 amCorsi's Obama Book Inspires New Dissidents On Right
At last count, there are only four members of the dissident cell -- Peter Wehner, Ross Douthat, Jon Henke and John Hawkins -- conservatives who have broken ranks to harshly criticize Jerome Corsi's The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality.
All four make the case that Corsi presents a greater danger to the conservative movement and the Republican Party than to Barack Obama -- that for the right to take Corsi under its collective wing represents a moral and intellectual failing.
Former Bush White House aide Wehner: "Corsi's approach to politics is both destructive and self-destructive. If Senator Obama loses, he should lose on the merits: his record in public life and his political philosophy..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/corsis-obama-book-inspire_n_120321.html
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:18 amUncle Ho Says:
The US has agreed to remain ONLY combat troops from Iraq, leaving tens of thousands of “other” troops for “training” Iraqi forces, etc.
THIS IS STILL WRONG! ALL US troops and contractors need to be withdrawn IMMEDIATELY AND COMPLETELY!
Good morning Uncle Ho! I had the exact same thought when I heard about the new timetable. What do you wanna bet that the contractor military presence will be increased over this same time period?
The American people will see "withdrawl" and miss the increase in war spending that will be necessary to pay Blackwater for its mercenaries. More smoke and mirrors brought to you by the dishonest GOP.
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 amDetails of that forces agreement with Iraq has American soldiers leaving all Iraqi cities by next summer. Isn't that Obama's plan? Wonder if the spineless media will call out Bush or McCain on this one...
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 amFreedom Rebel Says: McCains buy second beach condo in the same building at the same time McCain advises Americans to skip their vacation to make their mortgage payments
Obama is at least talking about the subject (yay), but I wish he'd point this out to Average America. I don't know how McCain can survive this kind of thing.
Another issue I wish the Dems would get out there is this: If, according to McCain, his extra marital affairs were 35 years ago, and therefore irrevlent to his character, then so too should his Vietnam experience be 'expired' and not be used as a qualifier of his campaign.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 amA week from today will be the 3 yr anniversary of Katrina.
Bush is in Crawford now on vacation. 3 yrs ago, he was on vacation, strumming guitar at John McCondo's birthday party in San Diego as Katrina ravaged & drowned New Orleans.
I guess the party must have been at the house Old John wasn't paying property taxes on, unless he owns multiple dwellings in San Diego. (Don't ask him, he'd have to get his staff to look into it.)
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 amElitism is not knowing how many houses you own.
Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
The flawed software is on both touch screen and optical scan voting machines made by Premier and the problem with vote counts is most likely to affect larger jurisdictions that feed many memory cards to a central counting database rapidly.
Riggall said he was "confident" that elections officials through the years would have realized votes had been dropped when they crosschecked their tallies to certify final elections results and would have reloaded cards so as not to lose votes. Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has said no Ohio votes were lost because the nine Ohio counties that found the problem caught it before primary results were finalized.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.html
This logic error is part of the software and has been going on for 10 years and no one has fixed it yet??? What are they waiting for? Gee, I wonder which parties votes were dropped? Care to make a guess…
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 amunbelievable Says:
The Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.” Jessica Arons of the Center for American Progress writes that the regulation could be used to block access to contraception.
You know, I can't help seeing the hypocrisy in all this. Both Bush and McStain were notorious whores in their youth. Do you suppose they railed against contraception back then? I'm thinking not...
If these health care "professionals" are so against a legal medical procedure, they can change their specialty to obstetrics only (no GYN) and avoid the abortion issue altogether. If not, they can turn in their licenses.
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 amThe draft agreement, which “has the support of the Bush administration,”
This is convenient election year legacy building, all done at the last minute to give folks the impression that they can finish what they tragically started, and that the people don't need the help of those defeatocrats after all. They wait until now to take up the democratic push for a timetable. Condoleeza Rice even used the word "timetable" during a visit yesterday to Afghanistan. This is nothing more than the final chapter in this eight-year permanent campaign mode.
Timing, folks, timing.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 amHi mom; I didn't have enuff coffee, yet. typed in remain instead of remove.
I think that not only will the contractors be increased, but also look for an increase in air ops(sorties) as well.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 amMcCain's people are saying Cindy owns the houses and the biggest share of the money. So, does that kind of make John a gigolo?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 amFreedom Rebel Says: Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
Further proof that Kerry actually won in 2004.
But I want to know what this means will happen in 2008. I'm already susppicious that the corporate-owned media outlets are calling this a close race.
If McCain 'wins', it will only be by the same method that Bush 'won' - cheating.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 amspencers mom Says: If these health care “professionals” are so against a legal medical procedure, they can change their specialty to obstetrics only (no GYN) and avoid the abortion issue altogether. If not, they can turn in their licenses.
Exactly!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 amFreedom Rebel Says:
Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
Good morning Rebel! I was listening to NPR yesterday in the car, and they had a piece on about how Ohio was going to stop the practice of having poll workers take the voting machines home for the few days before the election, which apparently has been the norm for many years.
And someone from the Ohio Board of Elections was concerned that these workers wouldn't have the same "bonding experience" (paraphrased) with their machines and therefore might be less likely to report problems.
I was like WTF??? Machine bonding? This has been going on for how long? And if poll workers couldn't be trusted to care enough to report problems, should they even be poll workers?
Is it any wonder that the Ohio results in 2004 were, shall we say, fishy?
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 amTawdry -- Cindy is the "owner" because she is fully aware of how McCain treated his first wife and when wants to keep herself protected.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 am#15 unbelievable Says:
Another issue I wish the Dems would get out there is this: If, according to McCain, his extra marital affairs were 35 years ago, and therefore irrevlent to his character, then so too should his Vietnam experience be ‘expired’ and not be used as a qualifier of his campaign.
Good Morning unbelievable :) I agree, since he told Kerry not to "over use the Hero thing". There is always a double standard when it comes to what he is allowed to do.
His campaign aides play that card far too much everytime he can't remember something. Like how dare you question or attack anything he says "He spent 5 1/2 years in one house in prison". But it is okay for McCain to attack Obama on his patriotism. The BS & embellishments is getting so high we will all have to buy hip-waders soon.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 amTawdry Says:
McCain’s people are saying Cindy owns the houses and the biggest share of the money. So, does that kind of make John a gigolo?
It doesn't matter who McStain says "owns" the properties. According to the State of Arizona community property laws, all assets acquired during the course of the marriage are jointly owned. That they file separate income tax returns does not, I repeat, does not make these properties Cindy's only.
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 amAn alumna of Columbia ends up a casual blogger in the family business, living in a lavishly expensive home for her age, paid for in cash by mom and dad?
This is going on while the repubs spend time equating liberals to laziness.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 amThe Kitchen sink counter attack is almost certainly a coordinated effort to move the media - if not the political discussion - away from McCain's gaffe. And, by and large, the press has not taken the bait, likely because the meme that McCain is an elitist is fresh compared to the Obama lines (which were hit to death in the primary).
In a way, this could be a blessing for the Obama campaign. In all likelihood, McCain and his GOP allies were set to trot the Rezko and Ayers attacks out as the election approaches. They still might. But having those cards played in late August makes them all the more unremarkable if they are brought up again in late October.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/in-a-bind-gop-throws-kitc_n_120449.html
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:37 amTackling the “unsexy topic of our soaring national debt,” a new movie called I.O.U.S.A. warns: “America must mend its spendthrift ways or face an economic disaster of epic proportions.” The New York Times reports that it’s “yet another documentary that everyone should see but most will not.”
Eh, I may take a sneek peek after I GO SHOPPING!
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 amMarie Says:
"What the heck is this about?"
Maybe McCain is planning on selecting Hillary Clinton to be his VP. They seem to be a perfect match for eachother.
unbelievable Says:
"Corsi’s Obama Book Inspires New Dissidents On Right"
The Right should be very careful about trying to embrace this nut. He has also had some deeply disparaging things to say about Saint John McCrappedmypants:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57678
Any attempt to take Corsi under their Reich wing would surely blow up in their devisive faces if they try to give credence to this idiot.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 amJust a heads up on something worth discussing:
Ralph Reed was on C-Span this morning, attacking Obama while defending his own criminal misconduct.
The interview was so vomit inducing, I had to shut it off after just five minutes, but TP might want to dissect it.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:40 amFreedom Rebel Says:
They spent over a quarter of a million dollars on the hired help. But Cindy’s half-sisters aren’t going to get a dime of it; she’s a little strapped for cash trying to pay all the hired help. Whose calling who an Elitist? These people have no shame..
Good morning Freb. The old coot is nothing more than the old fart version of Dumbya. He sucks.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 amClinton Supporters Say She's Not Doing Enough For Obama
Minutes after pushing through the rope line to thank Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for "all that you do," Robin Shaffer said she was worried. She feared that the senator she respected and admired for being tough and experienced had not done all that she could to unify Florida's fractured Democratic Party while campaigning here on Thursday for her former opponent.
Democrats who said they had recently accepted that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, would be the Democratic presidential nominee greeted Mrs. Clinton's 30-minute speech -- her first rally in Florida on his behalf -- with warmth but also demands for more.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/clinton-supporters-say-sh_n_120549.html
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 amThe Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.”
I think we've found the only way that republicans will care about the topic of job security. The Bush administration is the union for batshit crazy people looking to continue their reign over the sane populace.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 am“The United States has agreed to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by next June and from the rest of the country by the end of 2011 if conditions in Iraq remain relatively stable.” The draft agreement, which “has the support of the Bush administration,” still needs to be “approved by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki and other Iraqi leaders before it goes before Iraq’s fractious Parliament.”
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I wish I could be innocent and trusting, believing this to be good news but not as good as getting out sooner. If everything goes according to plan, withdrawal would still be complete during Obama's first term, which would give him credit for him and provide a nice springboard for his re-election in 2012.
But I know the GOP isn't going to allow THAT to happen. They have pretty much reconciled themselves to losing the White House for the next four years, but they're going to make darn sure it won't be any longer than that. Therefore, the operative phrase "if conditions in Iraq remain relatively stable." Something tells me conditions won't be, and that situation will be helped along by those who have a special interest in conditions remaining as volatile as possible during a Democratic administration.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 amgood_golly5 Says: Is Obama too much of an elitist to help his lost brother out of a Nairobi slum?
You're the elitist to call someone else's home a slum. Not everyobne wants to live like you greedy Conservative Americans with your work-a-holic, possession-oriented consummerism mindset. Perhaps the guy likes his life.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 amThe Shiite-run Iraqi government “is driving out many leaders of Sunni citizen patrols” that have allied with the U.S., known as the Awakening.
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Lemme get this straight.
Iraqi goverment = Shiites
Sunni citizen patrols = the Awakening
The Awakening = allied with U.S.
The Awakening = against Iraqi Shiite government (and vice versa)
Therefore:
U.S. = against Iraqi Shiite government (and vice versa)?
WTF??? Isn't this like trying to put out a fire with gasoline?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 amGood morning, Unbelievable. Corsi selfishly thought people were going to be delighted to see him turn out another book and steal the influence of yet another election. He has only parodied himself this time around. Good riddance.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 amgood_golly5 Says: More dirty Chicago politics. Two former campaign workers for State Senator Terry Link (D-Waukegan)
Better to have signature forgers in your party than child molestors.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 ami see goonface has had to get around yet ANOTHER ban
must be one of those types that likes to sh|t their pants and force everyone to smell it
another cowardly republican sissy
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am#24 spencers mom Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
Good morning Rebel! I was listening to NPR yesterday in the car, and they had a piece on about how Ohio was going to stop the practice of having poll workers take the voting machines home for the few days before the election, which apparently has been the norm for many years.
And someone from the Ohio Board of Elections was concerned that these workers wouldn’t have the same “bonding experience” (paraphrased) with their machines and therefore might be less likely to report problems.
I was like WTF??? Machine bonding? This has been going on for how long? And if poll workers couldn’t be trusted to care enough to report problems, should they even be poll workers?
Is it any wonder that the Ohio results in 2004 were, shall we say, fishy?
Good morning spencers mom:) You are right, also the 2000 election was seriously messed up also. You figure this has been going on for ten years.
What really made me angry in the past is up North here we are democratics. That is where they pulled the "only two voting booth" thing in high voter districts. But in districts with low voter turnout they had, I kid you not, 10 to 11 voting machines. This doesn't happen down in the southern part of the state where they vote for the likes of Boehner, Oh no, it has to happen in districts like Cleveland and Parma. That is where Kucinich and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones get elected from.
But I have to admit because of all the scandal, they have corrected most of it. There were no long lines this last primary. But I agree with you in Ohio, you have to question everything because of the corruption is so bad even in the county's. We can forget the raid on all the Cleveland County Officials, the ones living in million dollar homes on county salaries. I loved it they showed the homes they lived in on TV that made a big impact. The people were absolutely outraged here.
So good seeing you, love your posts :)
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 amWhat does this mean? Something like the "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs we see in restaurants? This is not about hamburgers.
Health care is private and for profit in America, how do they reconcile tampering with the free market like this. Seems like a kind of negative regulatory move.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 amMcWars Says: Good morning, Unbelievable. Corsi selfishly thought people were going to be delighted to see him turn out another book and steal the influence of yet another election. He has only parodied himself this time around. Good riddance.
Howdy! It certainly seems that people are no longer interested in false witness gossip and dirty trash talk when they can't afford to get to work, feed their kids, and keep their homes. They want to know who is going to fix the broken system and how.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 amgoon will do anything to try and distract us from the FACT that McCain is a senile old fart that will continue the disastrous policies of the Cheney Administration
He's not McBush, he's McCheney
Cheney is the one that pulls dubya's strings. McCheney is just like him, policy-wise
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 amunbelievable Says:
You’re the elitist to call someone else’s home a slum. Not everyobne wants to live like you greedy Conservative Americans with your work-a-holic, possession-oriented consummerism mindset. Perhaps the guy likes his life.
Right on, unbelievable. In goonies case though, at $.10 a post, it won't realize too many possessions, even while posting 18 hours a day.
Don't worry, goony. Property taxes aren't assessed on empty bags of Cheetos. Isn't conservatism great? You get to keep what you earn, including those lead-filled toys.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 amgood_golly5 Says:
proof that what you say is true or we will ban #5 and move on without your bs again.
prove that he is Obama's brother
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 amGood morning all.
Ralph Reed was attacking Obama? Ha! That's rich.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:00 am#33 Exit Stage Left Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
They spent over a quarter of a million dollars on the hired help. But Cindy’s half-sisters aren’t going to get a dime of it; she’s a little strapped for cash trying to pay all the hired help. Whose calling who an Elitist? These people have no shame..
Good morning Freb. The old coot is nothing more than the old fart version of Dumbya. He sucks.
Good to see you Exit Stage Left:) I hope you are having a good day.
You are right about McCain, the only difference between the two is Bush has better connections with the Saudi's. Which he guards with his life.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 amgood_golly5 Says: Does it sound to you like he’s happy?
So, let me get this straight. You are now FOR Obama giving a hand-out to his half-brother who he really doesn't know just because they share some DNA? I thought you Cons were aganst all forms of welfare and want people to pull themselves up by their own boot straps?
Make up your mind.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:02 amgood_golly5 Says:
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The New York post has posted a summary of BARACK’S FAVORS FOR CORRUPT CRONY, Tony Rezco.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The New York Post ??????????
They're lodged somewhere between News Crap and The Weakly (Sub)Standard in terms of credibility and accuracy........
Try again.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 amgoon_golly5 Says:
The New York post has posted a summary of . . . garbage produced by a writer for the National Review.
Good thing that McCain is so pure. Oh, wait . . .
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Despite President Bush’s promise to double the size of the Peace Corps, officials say the agency “is preparing to cut back on new volunteers and consolidate recruiting offices as it pares other costs amid an increasingly tight budget.” The budget shortfall “can be attributed to the declining value of the dollar overseas and the rising cost of energy and other commodities.”
What are these people doing serving the public anyway? It's all laziness unless your stuck in the corner office at one of the drug(ged) companies.
These people are supposed to be calculating their worth by counting their cash. Get on a real career path, kids!
/snarky
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 am*
WHO IS GOING TO SPRINGFIELD TOMORROW?
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August 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 amHaaretz has a piece titled:
Diplomatic effort on Iran nukes jeopardized by U.S.-Russia crisis
The several month message from Israeli newspapers is this:
Time is running out, diplomacy is in jeopardy, thus Israel must act. The U.S. won't help with the initial raid (at least with new refueling planes). But America can be counted on to contain any blowback. Five aircraft carriers are in the Persian Gulf/Mediterranean region.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 am... besides ME!
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 amgood_golly5 Says:
"The New York post has..."
Lost you right their girlfriend. Murdoch's Post is about as believable as the National Enquirer or FOX News. Obama has never (you do understand the word "never" I hope) been charged with any wrong doing in the Rezco deal. Keep bringing it up, though. I'm sure things like delving deeper into the Keating Five scandal and McCain's never questioning Ralph Reed who was at the heart of this scandal.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 amHEY GOONY
We, the adults, are commenting on the medley of issues before us this morning. Get the f uck out and the adults do the talking.
F ucker.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 amFinalcabbinbagger,
For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 amcabbinbagger Says:
You need to talk to gg about people pulling themselves up by thier bootstraps.
You interpret our outrage as jealousy.
please explain why mccain and the republicans don't support our troops but have no problem sending them to war, repeatedly.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 amcabbinbagger Says:
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 amSome elitist bull shit. Glad you've got yours cabbinbag now kindly go Cheney yourself fool.
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You folks with all your jealousy over McCain’s houses are pretty humourous. If you want more houses, go get ‘em..the market’s currently ripe with deals.
And if you are having trouble affording the one you’ve got, I’m sorry, you should have thought ahead.
I suggest the more fortunate folks on this blog seek out the less fortunate folks on this blog and make their house payments for them. It’s the only fair and humane thing to do.
Otherwise, shut up already.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 am
I have more than McDepends will ever have in his entire life ; and I'm half his age , though less wealthy.
BTW
I own my own home.
I suggest you shut the hell up and get a huge crying towel ready for November , you ignorant piece of dog dreck......
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 am#61 katy Says:
… besides ME!
I'm pretty sure Shayne is going, Katy. Check at the Zoo, I thought she said something about it yesterday.
I hope that helps :)
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 amcabbinbagger Says:
Charity begins at home. Obama is a hyporcrite and a charletan.
Ah, but at least he can spell words of more than two syllables.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 amcarpetmuncher
Nice tough talk, there. Sounds easy from mommies' basement, seeing that people like you will never face the task of buying a home of your own. Just ask Meghan McCain.
Anyone who loves America will ignore twits like you and continue to roll out the indictments against those who caused this mess.
If idiots like you claim to love America so much, why do you defraud her to benefit yourself, a single person?
Once the democratic congress expands, we're going to intrude on your "liberties" son. That means you're going to get caught.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 amObama is an American, I know you don't want to hear that but it's a fact....deal with it.
Waiting for you or gg to explain why the gop doesn't support our troops. If you don't respond to my question as I have to yours then I will begin flagging you both.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 amsaved from lastn ight's googlenews page:
Plan Would Protect Health-Care Workers Who Object to Abortion
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 amWashington Post - 2 hours ago
By Rob Stein The Bush administration today announced plans to implement a controversial regulation designed to protect doctors, nurses and other health-care workers who object to abortion from being forced to deliver services that violate their ...
HHS Backs Abortion Protections For Doctors NPR
US regulation stops short of defining abortion Reuters
cabbinbagger Says:
You folks with all your jealousy over McCain’s houses are pretty humourous. If you want more houses, go get ‘em..the market’s currently ripe with deals.
McStain's either so rich he can't remember how many houses he has, or he married money and is a kept man living off Cindy's teat. Can't have it both ways.
But thanks for playing... you're McStain Points will be posted to your account shortly.
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 amThe Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.” Jessica Arons of the Center for American Progress writes that the regulation could be used to block access to contraception.
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I agree that nobody should have to perform any task that violates their religious or moral objections. Muslims should not be forced to serve alcoholic drinks, Orthodox Jews should not be forced to work in a sausage factory, Hindus should not be forced to milk cows, and Catholics should not be required to perform abortions.
Ah, but if it was only that simple. Most of the people in the last paragraph get around these situations by finding lines of work where doing "the forbidden" would be highly unlikely.
But what if the only hospital/clinic in a small town is a religious institution (such as Catholic) that won't perform abortions? Most abortions are not emergency procedures, and a woman seeking one could check out options in other towns. If an abortion IS an emergency situation (such as the mother is in immediate grave danger if the pregnancy is continued), one would hope that even a Catholic hospital would do everything possible to save the mother's life, even if that means aborting a fetus.
And if it's a hospital or clinic where the person normally expected to perform abortions refuses to do it on moral grounds, that person should be reassigned to other duties.
I fervently believe in a woman's right to her own body. But I also believe that religious convictions must be protected under the First Amendment. Surely there's a way both can coexist.
Now, about birth control (and I assume we're talking about the "morning after" pill here). Because, unlike most abortions, time is of the essence for the woman who needs this. Pharmacies SHOULD be required to dispense this legal drug, as it does all others. If a pharmacist cannot bring himself to fill a prescription for this or any other legal drug, he needs to find another line of work.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 amcabbinbagger Says:
Yet Obama apparently believes that the people’s tax money should be spent to provide health care, stable living conditions, and tax rebates for the “less fortunate” among us…merely because we are lucky enough to live in the United States?
Charity begins at home. Obama is a hyporcrite and a charletan.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
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Actually, he's called for increasing foreign aid spending as well, to help fragile states like Kenya out of poverty. Development is the only real way to help Cooter Obama out of his situation, not a cash handout.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 amYeah, as an environmentally-minded person I'm jealous of someone owning 8+ homes.
Jealousy isn't pointing out someone's inability to manage their of their own affairs. Someone wants to lead the government when they can't even pay taxes on time to the government.
Go pick some dingleberries, carpetmuncher.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 amhussein toasterhead Says:
Actually, he’s called for increasing foreign aid spending as well, to help fragile states like Kenya out of poverty. Development is the only real way to help Cooter Obama out of his situation, not a cash handout.
Real conservatives always tell that story about "teach a man to fish." It's clear that "cabbageshagger" isn't a real conservative at all, but merely a whiny troll with sand in its underwear.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am"...workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.”
What about workers who refuse to participate in caring for Republicans due to moral objections. That kosher?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 amcabbinbagger Says:
Your “outrage” IS your jealousy. How many house’s McCain, Obama, or anyone else owns is really none of our business.
All anyone has done is point out the hypocrisy of McCain calling someone else "elitist" while having so many homes he can't keep track of them -- along with all the other obvious examples of his own elitism, starting with his greased entry into the Naval Academy.
And McCain is really in no position to start raking up old "scandals"; he's got so many in his past that it would take days just to list them.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 amgummitch Says:
Real conservatives always tell that story about “teach a man to fish.” It’s clear that “cabbageshagger” isn’t a real conservative at all, but merely a whiny troll with sand in its underwear.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
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Oh, just wait - I'm sure carpetbagger will be the first one complaining about nepotism when President Obama increases aid spending for Kenya.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 amcabbinbagger Says:
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cabbinbagger Says:
You need to talk to gg about people pulling themselves up by thier bootstraps.
You interpret our outrage as jealousy.
Your “outrage” IS your jealousy. How many house’s McCain, Obama, or anyone else owns is really none of our business.
What IS our business is if the houses were acquired through political favoritism or criminal activity.
As far as can be determined, no one involved in any of the McCain’s real estate deals has gone to prison…that can’t be said about Obama.
If I were worth 100 mil, I’d have a bunch more houses, too.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
Did you feel the same about Edwards when you GOP stooges were making such a huge issue about the price of his haircut ?
I'm betting you didn't.........
As for those Obama has come into contact with ; haven't McDepends' own GOP colleagues in Congress been convicted and indicted way more than the number of individuals Obama has know ?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 amMan accuses Obama of being "Elitist" for taking a vacation in Hawaii and can't even be bothered with how MANY homes he owns and Republicans are squealing? Now that is some Professional Victimization.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 amYour “outrage” IS your jealousy. How many house’s McCain, Obama, or anyone else owns is really none of our business.
Now the basement-dwelling trolls is trying to appear apolitical in vouching for Obama while vouching for McCain.
How many homes does Obama own? Put up your first finger. I'll put up my middle, troll.
What IS our business is if the houses were acquired through political favoritism or criminal activity.
Leave that determination to the adults. Pull up your pants and go eat breakfast. Mom's calling you.
As far as can be determined, no one involved in any of the McCain’s real estate deals has gone to prison…that can’t be said about Obama.
Obama was never eyed by the feds. He was in no way suspected. He had the best offer for his property, according to the sellers.
If I were worth 100 mil, I’d have a bunch more houses, too.
Easier said than done, since your permanent role is best suited as a serf. Serfs don't make that kind of money.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 amYou speak to me of irrelevant questions. You want to talk about a step brother and I want to discuss why you don't support the troops. You're not very patriotic are you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 amcabbinbagger Says: Yet Obama apparently believes that the people’s tax money should be spent to provide health care, stable living conditions, and tax rebates for the “less fortunate” among us…merely because we are lucky enough to live in the United States?
Obama wants the people's money to be spent on the people, not corporate welfare and tax-breaks to the rich who don't need them.
It's why he'll win in November.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 amcabbinbagger Says:
As far as can be determined, no one involved in any of the McCain’s real estate deals has gone to prison…that can’t be said about Obama.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
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And noone in Obama's campaign is responsible for the deregulation of the mortgage industry that has resulted in te foreclosures of hundreds of thousands of families. That can't be said about McCain.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:31 amWhich candidate was a member of the Keating 5 and recieved a censure by the ethics committee?
Choose from the following:
(a) Barack Obama
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am(b) John McCain
(c) Too ignorant to admit it was John McCain (for trolls only)
cabbinbagger Says:
What kind of a man gossips about a persons personal family matters?
Why doesn't mccain support our troops bagger? Why doesn't the gop support our troops bagger?
Why do you want to trash talk a man's family instead of talking about real issues that real Americans want answers to?
What soap opera's do you watch while blogging?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 amWhen is Obama going to announce his VP choice? Anybody think we will know in time for the Sunday morning news shows to have him or her on as the main topic?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 amcabbinbagger Says:
Yet Obama apparently believes that the people’s tax money should be spent to provide health care, stable living conditions, and tax rebates for the “less fortunate” among us…merely because we are lucky enough to live in the United States?
Charity begins at home. Obama is a hyporcrite and a charletan.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
How charitable is it that McDepends' economic "plan" would amount to over a $300 , 000 tax savings for himself and his mannequin-looking , pill-popping wife , while middle-income Americans would save only about $300........?
I don't believe that's what "charity begins at home" means , crapbagger........
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 amThe people's tax money spent on the people? What a foreign concept, unbelievable. I thought people felt most patriotastic having that money withheld to fund overseas gangs with logos, websites, and job openings. They even provide female intervention services (AKA rape).
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 amgood thing CINDY's "forgotten" sisters liver here in the good 'ol USofA and not some "Nairobi slum"...
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 amTackling the “unsexy topic of our soaring national debt,” a new movie called I.O.U.S.A. warns: “America must mend its spendthrift ways or face an economic disaster of epic proportions.” The New York Times reports that it’s “yet another documentary that everyone should see but most will not.”
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The national debt is a subject where so many Americans remain ignorant and unconcerned. If you point out to the average American the way the national debt has increased over the years, their usual reaction is "So?"
I have had people say to me -- seriously -- things like "if we need more money, we can always print more" (gee -- why didn't I think of that?). Or, when pointing out how much of our debt is held by China, they say "well, if China calls in their debt, all we have to do is declare war on them and take everything they've got" -- like this is a brilliant idea.
Many people don't see the debt a problem, because after all, it's not like anybody's asking us to pay it off, are they? They don't realize that we are paying INTEREST on the debt -- just like any other debt -- and lately that's been almost half a trillion dollars a year. Yep -- that's just the interest. Your taxes. My taxes. Tax money that could be going to something a lot more useful -- or better yet, enable tax cuts if this didn't need to be paid. Interest on the debt is the fourth largest single expense in the budget -- only defense, HHS, and Social Security take up bigger chunks of the pie.
And with each year that we operate with a budget deficit, the debt climbs and the interest amount gets higher. And as this happens, the value of the dollar shrinks, making things like the cost of petroleum higher, weakening the value of our exports, making us vulnerable to inflation, and other chaos.
Yes, people are ignorant of the potential problems here. If a movie can change that, it will be most welcome.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 amSeriously carpetbagger, this is an open thinkfast thread so I really want to know why you think the gop and mccain have steadfastly refused to support our troops.
If you are an American and proud of it you should be concerned about this lack of support for the people who are dying to protect your freedoms.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 amcarpetmuncher, a neocon, spinning himself off as the taxpayer advocate.
Tell that to the majority of Americans opposed to the Iraquagmire.
Tell that to those knowledgeable of the billions of dollars mismanaged at DoD.
Tell that to those outraged at taxpayer dollars going to ineffective higher-ups at a broken VA, recieving bonuses as a "retainer." Yeah, gotta keep that talent.
Must I go on, carpetmuncher?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 amMcWars Says: The people’s tax money spent on the people? What a foreign concept, unbelievable. I thought people felt most patriotastic having that money withheld to fund overseas gangs with logos, websites, and job openings. They even provide female intervention services (AKA rape).
LOL
I realized during a debate with a conservative that they genuinely do not understand that social democracies are about the people who pay taxes getting benefits from those collective taxes - as in, we can afford more if we pool our resources.
They seem to actually believe taxes are about robbing the rich to pay the poor. No wonder they've been silent on the recent GAO reports that show that it truly is the people's money, since 66% of corporations don't pay at all.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am#90 McWars Says:
Which candidate was a member of the Keating 5 and recieved a censure by the ethics committee?
Choose from the following:
(a) Barack Obama
(b) John McCain
(c) Too ignorant to admit it was John McCain (for trolls only)
Good Morning McWars :) I found this at Americablog.com..
McCain made Charles Keating part of his campaign team today
Jed posted an excerpt of John King's paean to John McCain last night. We've heard King really, really likes McCain personally, but he actually dealt with one of McCain's biggest controversies -- The Charles Keating Scandal:
Perfect timing because Keating is back big time -- and McCain did it himself through his weak attacks on Obama about Rezko. McCain shouldn't have gone there, but he did.
There is alot more to the story.. Have a good day :)
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 amcabbinbagger Says:
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cabbinbagger Says:
Yet Obama apparently believes that the people’s tax money should be spent to provide health care, stable living conditions, and tax rebates for the “less fortunate” among us…merely because we are lucky enough to live in the United States?
Charity begins at home. Obama is a hyporcrite and a charletan.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
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Actually, he’s called for increasing foreign aid spending as well, to help fragile states like Kenya out of poverty. Development is the only real way to help Cooter Obama out of his situation, not a cash handout.
My…that sounds awfully…conservative…of you.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
Since when have cancervatives ever advocated more foreign aid to 3rd world nations ?
I gotta' give you points on quick bullshitting ; your accuracy needs a bit of work , though............
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:49 amgood_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am
The New York post has posted a summary of BARACK’S FAVORS FOR CORRUPT CRONY, Tony Rezco.
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Um...do you ever read ANYTHING from an objective news source, or do you only read stuff spit out from wingnut hacks? Just like the National Review and the Weekly Standard, the New York Post isn't a credible source here, either.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 amcabbinbagger Says:
My…that sounds awfully…conservative…of you.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am
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No, it's actually quite liberal - using public money to improve the lives of all people in a society.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 amOk bagger, I gotta go but here is a link that you should follow if you are a true American.
You don't have to comment on it becuase I know you won't want to after seeing the truth.
Who supports the troops
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 amgood_golly5 Says:
I’m surprise to hear that a liberal like you is against having people who don’t pay taxes getting government benefits. A lot of “undocumented workers,” for example, will be shocked to hear that you are against them receiving medical care, education, etc…
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am
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You're an idiot. That's not what she said and you know it. By your twisted logic, unbelievable also said that children are not entitled to public goods, since they don't pay taxes either.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 amThanks so much for keeping tabs, Freb. This is great timing, and I'm confident Obama explained himself plausibly with the Rezko ordeal. It's been made for the record, notably at Media Matters. He is good to go. McCain, other the other hand, he did shoot himself in the foot. This is great.
Many blessings.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 amRICH RICH RICH is going to kill the McCain candidacy.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 amScream about 'Jealousy!" or 'Class Warfare!" and it just emphasizes RICH RICH RICH, and adds 'cheated on his first wife to marry a rich woman."
Screaming Rezko!" will bring back "Keating!"
RICH RICH RIICH destroys 'maverick' and 'regular guy'.
Ooooh and I really hope he chooses Willard as his running mate.
A new Pew study finds that 50 percent of conservatives “think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago.” For the first time since Pew started this survey 12 years ago, a majority of Americans — 52 percent — also hold that view.
I guess they're finally waking up to the fact that church/state seperation is good for everyone, not just left wing, atheistic, pinko liberals?
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 amgood_golly5 Says:
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August 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am
The New York post has posted a summary of BARACK’S FAVORS FOR CORRUPT CRONY, Tony Rezco.
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Um…do you ever read ANYTHING from an objective news source, or do you only read stuff spit out from wingnut hacks? Just like the National Review and the Weekly Standard, the New York Post isn’t a credible source here, either.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am
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Besides the DailyKos, ThinkProgress, Pravda and maybe Al Jazeera, what do you consider to be an “objective news source”?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
You can start with AP and UPI , goof...........
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 amgood_golly5 Says:
Exactly. It’s unbelievable to me that she thinks that way.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am
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She doesn't, moron.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 amgood_golly5 Says: I’m surprise to hear that a liberal like you is against having people who don’t pay taxes getting government benefits. A lot of “undocumented workers,” for example, will be shocked to hear that you are against them receiving medical care, education, etc…
I'm NOT against Corporations getting welfare. I'm wholly against those who don't pay taxes - and Corporations don't pay taxes - getting tax benefits.
I support helping the poor. A society is, after all, only as strong as its weakest link. It's in our best interest to help others.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 amI’m NOT not against Corporations getting welfare.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 amYou live for teaching others and paying your taxes while doing so, Unb. carpetmuncher, not so much. He probably pays an unfair share in taxes, if any at all, and wants other people's tax dollars to go to corporate headquarters.
Why is it so tough for intelligent people to root out the widesread, self-serving influences bought and paid for by ignoramuses?
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 amunbelievable Says:
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good_golly5 Says: I’m surprise to hear that a liberal like you is against having people who don’t pay taxes getting government benefits. A lot of “undocumented workers,” for example, will be shocked to hear that you are against them receiving medical care, education, etc…
I’m NOT against Corporations getting welfare. I’m wholly against those who don’t pay taxes - and Corporations don’t pay taxes - getting tax benefits.
I support helping the poor. A society is, after all, only as strong as its weakest link. It’s in our best interest to help others.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 am
Screw 'interest(s)' ; it's the correct thing to do ........
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:00 amhussein toasterhead Says: You’re an idiot. That’s not what she said and you know it. By your twisted logic, unbelievable also said that children are not entitled to public goods, since they don’t pay taxes either.
Twisted logic is the only logic the Cons have since reality has a liberal bias.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 amThe trolls are out of control with lies and not responding sensibly....I'm flagging them on my way out. Have a nice day all.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 amMcWars Says: Why is it so tough for intelligent people to root out the widesread, self-serving influences bought and paid for by ignoramuses?
Public education punished them for thinking, and so most people don't do it anymore - they instinctively turn to the authority figure to tell them what to believe. Conservative Politics in America has become a religion of blind faith.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 amgood_golly5
STUDIES SHOW THAT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN THE DOLDRUMS, THE INCUMBENT PARTY IS NOT FAVORED ELECTORALLY.
I love repeating that.
Obama's personal affairs are clean and clear. Your bloviating doesn't make a dent.
Take your wedge "issues" and shove it.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 amgood_golly5 Says:
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As it turns out, McCain doesn’t personally own a single one of those “houses,” so it’s a good thing he took the prudent approach of saying he’d have to look into it first so that he could give an accurate answer.
Now when Obama answers the question of how many properties he owns, does he count his $2 mil. family mansion as one or two properties, since it includes part of the neighboring property he bought from Rezko for less than what Rezko paid? I think that would count as 2 for starters, plus the DC home and whatever else he has.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am
Why do you continue to lie FOR McDepends and AGAINST Obama ?
If you were truly comfortable with yourself and the GOP's candidate for Prez , you would realize and deem your behavior as unnecessary , and cease and desist in acting the way you do...........
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
The national debt is a subject where so many Americans remain ignorant and unconcerned. If you point out to the average American the way the national debt has increased over the years, their usual reaction is “So?”
MissMolly, what I find even more troubling is that many people don't seem to know the difference between the "debt" and the "deficit". They don't seem to understand that the annual budget shortfall (only $500 billion) does not equate to the totality of our debt.
I send them to the national debt clock:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
I usually see looks of shock after it all sinks in.
PEACE
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 amcabbinbagger Says:
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Look, the facts are this: If you are looking for a squeaky clean candidate to run for national office, you’re never going to get them on either side. Money and political favors are grease to the wheels of political action in this country. It’s been that way for a long, long time. You are never going to see “Joe Sixpack” running for office at the national level, get used to it.
Those who staunchly adhere to the philosophy of either side of the political aisle will ignore their candidate’s transgressions and magnify their opponent’s merely because of whatever political axe the feel needs grinding in the short term.
And really, what choice to we have? All the top contenders for national office boil down to the lesser of the evils. We’ve been forced to accept, yet again, two lackluster candidates, warts and all.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
Problem is , McDepends has many more "warts" (and not just the ones covering his wrinkled old carcass) , and you and the other GOP stooges refuse to accept and acknowledge that........
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 amgood_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Besides the DailyKos, ThinkProgress, Pravda and maybe Al Jazeera, what do you consider to be an “objective news source”?
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Al Jazeera is actually pretty objective. I can't speak for Pravda, since I don't read it. DailyKos and ThinkProgress are progressive blog sites and present themselves as such (however, they DO back up their blog items with sources from the MSM, for the most part).
No, when I say "objective news source", I'm talking about mainstream media outlets that are NOT op-ed columns or pundits. I exclude blog sites of any ideology, unless they have sourced material from an objective source, and even then it tends to get spun (even TP has been known to do this, and when they do I call them on it). I also exclude media such as Fox News and anything Murdoch owns, the Moonie -- oops, Washington Times, and any other medium with an obvious political agenda.
But one thing I would never do is go into RedState, post an item from a source like a Michael Moore column, and expect them to take me seriously. Yet, that's essentially what you're doing here.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 amWell, I'm gonna run. Enjoy your day everyone!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 amcarpetmuncher
Obama is the closest thing to "Joe Sixpack."
He made his riches through a reflection of his life and public service, his books.
He's the candidate who was paying off his student loans until recently.
You will not ruin this for us. You are attempting to downsize Obama with a bi-partisan smokescreen. You are a nasty, vile troll, as evidenced with your first post demeaning struggling homeowners and encouraging others to get in on the ground floor to profit from their suffering.
Philosophical, my ass.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 amWaukegan and Zion are about 40 miles north of Chicago closers to Wisconsin than Chicago you idiot. They have nothing to do with "Chicago politics".
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 amgood_golly5 Says:
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STUDIES SHOW THAT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN THE DOLDRUMS, THE INCUMBENT PARTY IS NOT FAVORED ELECTORALLY.
I love repeating that. […]
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 am
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MCMetal thinks the incumbent Democratic Congress is in trouble. As well it should be.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
I didn't claim that ; the incumbent HIERARCHY on the Dem side is in trouble (along with those "Blue Dog" d0uchebag Dems).
And well they should be...........They are aiding and abetting the most dishonest , incompetent and outright worst president and administration in US history ; and so are you with your apologizing and excuse-making for the clowns.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.............
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:15 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
But one thing I would never do is go into RedState, post an item from a source like a Michael Moore column, and expect them to take me seriously. Yet, that’s essentially what you’re doing here.
You're wasting your breath, misshusseinmolly. goon_golly could have taken a few minutes to check which sources are used here, especially among the comments, and known that they cover a wide range of news outlets, many of them from outside the US (the UK still enjoys real newspapers, for one). But that would have required some effort, something goon doesn't like to participate in. And it would require taking off the blinders for the first time.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 amcabbinbagger Says:
And really, what choice to we have? All the top contenders for national office boil down to the lesser of the evils. We’ve been forced to accept, yet again, two lackluster candidates, warts and all.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am
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Oh, now that's cute. So after you people spend months screaming about "warts" like Barack Obama's middle name and his flag pins and his angry black preacher and the way he sings the National Anthem and his terrorist fist-jabs and his secret Muslimness and his hilbilly half-brother, NOW you say "we have to accept the lesser of two evils, warts and all?"
It's people like you that have destroyed democracy in this country. You've taken politics from legitimate debate about serious issues that affect the well-being of our country and its people, and - with the help of a corrupt and braindead media establishment - you have turned it into a circus freakshow. I can't think of anything - war, terrorism, recession, anything - that has been more destructive to the very fabric of our country.
You and your cronies should be ashamed.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 amMCMetal thinks the incumbent Democratic Congress is in trouble. As well it should be.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
The study was for the presidency, dink. Every ana lyst easily projects the democratic majority in both houses to expand.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 amgoon_golly5 Says:
Examples?
BBC, Reuters, International Herald Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, UPI, AP, NPR, New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Financial Times . . .
You should try reading something besides the National Review, the Washington Times and the NY Post. You might actually learn something. And try reading THE NEWS, rather than nothing but opinion from "conservative" pundits.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am______
Fred Says:
The Bush administration “proposed stronger job protections for doctors and other health care workers who refuse to participate in abortions because of religious or moral objections.”
What does this mean? Something like the “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” signs we see in restaurants? This is not about hamburgers.
Health care is private and for profit in America, how do they reconcile tampering with the free market like this. Seems like a kind of negative regulatory move.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am
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Free market means one is free to provide a service or not. It's not negative regulation if it guarantees a right to choose whether to provide the service.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 amObama’s personal affairs are “clean and clear”?
You are either ignorant, naive, stupid, or merely lying to yourself and others to explain away a combination of the first three choices and make yourself feel better.
Obama’s personal affairs are anything but “clean and clear”.
Provide evidence beyond what has been debunked, troll. Don't pick up a pen and pretend it was a workout. And if you reference the archives in numerous places, you will see you've been thoroughly debunked. If you have questions, get all of the facts by opening a new browser to go alongside redstate. Don't repeat them here.
Obama is clean and clear, no matter how many times you whine to the contrary. If you want to be taken serious, make your case without taunting the American people.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 amcabbinbagger Says:
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STUDIES SHOW THAT WHEN THE ECONOMY IS IN THE DOLDRUMS, THE INCUMBENT PARTY IS NOT FAVORED ELECTORALLY.
I love repeating that.
Obama’s personal affairs are clean and clear. Your bloviating doesn’t make a dent.
Take your wedge “issues” and shove it.
Obama’s personal affairs are “clean and clear”?
You are either ignorant, naive, stupid, or merely lying to yourself and others to explain away a combination of the first three choices and make yourself feel better.
Obama’s personal affairs are anything but “clean and clear”.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:19 am
According to whom ?
The GOP spin machine ?
Always CONSIDER THE SOURCE ...........
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 amMcWars Says:
MCMetal thinks the incumbent Democratic Congress is in trouble. As well it should be.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
The study was for the presidency, dink. Every ana lyst easily projects the democratic majority in both houses to expand.
Based on current polls, the Democrats will pick up five Senate seats to take a 56 - 43 majority. I think they're wrong about Oregon, and that there's a very good chance that Gordon Smith will lose his seat.
Projections for the House. (D) 242 - (R) 193
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 amFree market means one is free to provide a service or not. It’s not negative regulation if it guarantees a right to choose whether to provide the service.
Name one major medical inventor who intended their contributions to be for-profit.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 amgood_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am
missmolly: Do you contend that ThinkProgress should only cite to “objective news sources” or does your rule only apply to one side of the debate?
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You have twisted this discussion away from my original point. And that is that your ONLY sources are wingnut talking points sites. If you really want to be taken seriously, you need to cite sources we take seriously. On the other hand, if you merely want to be an irritant, then just continue what you're doing.
No, of course, I don't think TP should be limited in their sources. And if you bother to take a look, they use a wide variety of sources, both neutral and not-so-neutral. But if they ONLY cited far-left opinion sources and never anything else, they'd be just like you. And I would mostly like spend my time elsewhere.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 amgoon_golly5 Says:
That’s funny, because when I post something from the Washington Times, NY Post, etc… libs jump all over me telling me that those aren’t credible news sources. I guess you only like the stories you like and ditch the rest.
The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies, goon. As a credible news source, it's a joke. And the NY Post is a tabloid rag, and always has been, and is a mouthpiece for the owner's "conservative" ideology. As I've already said, you really should try reading something besides propaganda.
You even tried quoting from the "liberal Washington Post" to give yourself some credibility, and ended up quoting an op-ed piece from one of Bush's former speechwriters. Pretty funny that you think the "libs" are the ones selectively choosing sources.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 amgood_golly5 Says:
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Examples?
BBC, Reuters, International Herald Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, UPI, AP, NPR, New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Financial Times . . .
You should try reading something besides the National Review, the Washington Times and the NY Post. You might actually learn something. And try reading THE NEWS, rather than nothing but opinion from “conservative” pundits.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am
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That’s funny, because when I post something from the Washington Times, NY Post, etc… libs jump all over me telling me that those aren’t credible news sources. I guess you only like the stories you like and ditch the rest.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 am
Do you have reading and comprehension issues ?
gummitch expressly stated that you should try reading publications OTHER THAN the Washington Slimes , NY Dolts, etc ; he mentioned nothing about selecting specific or individual stories from any of those publications...........
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 am...
did anyone mention that "undocumented workers" DO PAY TAXES...?
unless the boss who hired them ILLEGALLY pays them cash, illegally...
just wondered...
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 amgummitch Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am
You should try reading something besides the National Review, the Washington Times and the NY Post. You might actually learn something. And try reading THE NEWS, rather than nothing but opinion from “conservative” pundits.
good_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 am
That’s funny, because when I post something from the Washington Times, NY Post, etc… libs jump all over me telling me that those aren’t credible news sources. I guess you only like the stories you like and ditch the rest.
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Uh...good_golly(numberdujour)? Did you even bother to READ gummitch's post? He did NOT say that the National Review, the Washington Times and the NY Post were credible news sources. In fact, he said just the opposite. He is suggesting that you broaden your horizons by reading something BESIDES Murdoch and Moonie rags.
Try to keep up, will you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 amgood_golly5 Says:
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O.k. missmolly, I guet it. TP and its minions can cite to whatever they wish, but if we want to debate with contrary authority, we are limited to the few sites (which you refuse to specify) that you consider objective.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
You can debate using whatever source(s) you wish ; unless they are credible and confirmed , it's akin to your existence........
Absolutely useless.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 amOnly your candidate is "lackluster" you pathetic dolt. You really are dumber than the average troll.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 amkaty, I am going to Springfield. Are you as excited as I am?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 amgood_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
Either I inverted my titles or someone did something with my post. Correction: When I post something from the NY Times or Washington Post, libs usually jump all over me telling me those aren’t good sources.
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Ah, OK -- that makes more sense. Whenever I've seen people here criticize your (or anybody's) source from the NYT or the WaPo, it's because it's an OP-ED COLUMN from a columnist who doesn't speak for the paper itself. I haven't seen anybody blast a hard news story in either of these papers very often.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 amshayne! yes ... i need to finish some bumper stickers and buttons for my sun visor... but the weather looks iffy...
may have to doll-up my upbrella!
is there a chance we could meet?
say, in front of lincoln museum...
my daughter and i were there when this thing started... she can't make it tomorrow, so i'm going alone, at this time...
no problem and i don't CARE! I'M GOING!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 amgood_golly5 Says:
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Uh…good_golly(numberdujour)? Did you even bother to READ gummitch’s post? He did NOT say that the National Review, the Washington Times and the NY Post were credible news sources. In fact, he said just the opposite. He is suggesting that you broaden your horizons by reading something BESIDES Murdoch and Moonie rags.
Try to keep up, will you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am
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Either I inverted my titles or someone did something with my post. Correction: When I post something from the NY Times or Washington Post, libs usually jump all over me telling me those aren’t good sources.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am
OP/ED'S ARE NOT SOURCES ; get it , yet ?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:50 amgoon_golly5 Says:
O.k. missmolly, I guet it. TP and its minions can cite to whatever they wish, but if we want to debate with contrary authority, we are limited to the few sites (which you refuse to specify) that you consider objective.
You don't get it, and clearly never will.
I personally listed -- pretty much off the top of my head -- along list of credible news sources that are as close to "objective" as we're likely to find. It's not a "few sites" and, whether missmolly listed them or not, I did and that was only as starters.
I personally go out of my way to avoid referencing sources like The Nation or Mother Jones, not because they don't do good work, but because they're clearly partisan in their approach and too easily dismissed as a result. You, on the other hand, do nothing but quote clearly Right Wing or simply non-credible sources; when you do occasionally point to another source, you either cite an editorial, or you cherry-pick through the article hoping no one else will check up on you (or perhaps you don't bother to actually read them).
You might ask yourself why you bother commenting here at all, since you have zero credibility with anyone else and your arguments are thinner than used dishwater.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:50 amEither I inverted my titles or someone did something with my post.
classic...
try this: "oops! i must've inverted my titles"...
really, the TRUTH will set you free!
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 amgood_golly5 Says:
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Are you going to be in the free speach cage the Democrats have set up for you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 am
That depends ..........
How many "free speech zones" have you visited at a Chimpy event ?
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 amkaty Says:
Either I inverted my titles or someone did something with my post.
classic…
try this: “oops! i must’ve inverted my titles”…
really, the TRUTH will set you free!
Just like Bush. Never admit to an error.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 amI was raised on the North Shore Gigi. The North Shore that is still in Cook County. Zion and Waukegan are not the North Shore and your quote shows that these two town are not even in Cook County but Lake County. In no way part of Chicago except that the resident are able to travel to the city easily. Regardless, what does any of this have to do with anything. Chicago is one of the few cities that is surviving during this financial downturn. Since this Mayor Daley has been in office tourism has skyrocketed because the city has been improved constantly. So much so that it is a finalist for the 2016 Olympics. Washington DC on the other hand has been left to rot by the Bush administration that refuses to put any money into infrastructure, you know the kind of work that creates jobs here. 60 Minutes had a segment on how bad DC looks to tourists now. But where to you get off denouncing a great city because something some sh*tkickers it mostly Republican areas pulled.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 amgood_golly5 Says:
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Don’t get me wrong, Syayne. I love Chicago as a City and Metropolitan area. I just don’t like its dirty Democratic politics and dirty Democratic politicians.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 am
But you're perfectly okay with dirty GOP politics and dirty GOP politicians ; how partisan of you ............
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pmgood_golly5 Says
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 am
O.k. missmolly, I guet it. TP and its minions can cite to whatever they wish, but if we want to debate with contrary authority, we are limited to the few sites (which you refuse to specify) that you consider objective.
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Hey, I'm trying to help you here, and all you're doing is whining like a petulant child.
What I am saying (and have been saying) is that your posts have a greater chance of being taken seriously if you cite sources others find credible. Just as you are more likely to take me seriously if I cite sources you have at least a modicum of respect for.
Yet you are blowing what I am trying to tell you into some congflagration of double-standards and restrictions, which I have NEVER said or even implied. You are certainly entitled to use whatever sources you want to make your points. Just don't be surprised when you get ignored, laughed at, or eventually flagged when you become too annoying.
It basically boils down to what role you want to play here. A conservative contributor who presents thoughtful and intelligent opposing rebuttal, bolstered by sources that carry some weight? Or a troll? I had hoped you might want to be the former, and I'm trying to help you become that. But if it's your goal to be the latter, you are only worthy of being flagged and removed.
Oh, and I know one of your favorite points -- where you feel you have "scored" somehow, is that I have not given you a list of objective news sources. I haven't, because others have already done so, and I stand by their choices. Gummitch had a pretty good list up at post #139.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pmkaty, can you stop by The Zoo and I'll tell you where I'll be.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 pmWhy doesn't McSame know how many houses he and Cindy own? Maybe Cindy hasn't told him about all of them because she uses one or two of them to get away from her husband. This is a really good way to keep extra-marital affairs from your spouse (men are not the only ones cheating on their spouses).
Hell, Cindy knew very early on that Johnny boy was married, so she probably knew he would never be faithful to her and decided she would enjoy herself, and probably with a man younger that her.
Then there is the possibility that Cindy's father sent Cindy out to find a potential politician that he could buy an office for in exchange for that politician's protection. That might be the reason Cindy got the bulk of her father's money and businesses.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pmgood_golly5 Says:
Are you going to be in the free speach cage the Democrats have set up for you?
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Well, seeing as that bloated, drug-addled sack of porcine offal from hell Limbaugh was using his national radio platform to urge his mindless followers to go to Denver en masse and cause trouble, having some sort of security measures in place would appear to be a necessity.
I mean, where else are you going to hold mobs of drunken, unwashed, unruly GOOPer stooges bent on disrupting the convention?
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:11 pmYou really do have reading comprehension problems. Zion and Waukegan politics have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Chicago. They're in Lake County while Chicago is in Cook County. BUT there are many strictly Republican towns within Cook County. The dirty politics Chicago was known for are basically gone. You complain about Obama helping pass legislation for low income housing. This scattered site housing was to get people out of the projects so they can advance themselves in better communities. The projects were an advantage because there was a high concentration of Democratic votes in a smaller area. How does working for scattered site housing dispersing these votes show Obama's corruption. And really if that's not what your getting at what is your freakin' point.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pmSee how little you know. I was raised on the North Shore, that means I'm a Cubs fan.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pmShayne Says:
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… but the Sox are still going down tonight.
See how little you know. I was raised on the North Shore, that means I’m a Cubs fan.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
AHHHHHH
Wrigley Field ; one of only 3 stadiums/arenas that are actually cathedrals ...........And Chicago pizza kicks ass ...
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:27 pmReally McMetal can you believe GiGi dissing Chicago. I was born in Chicago, both my parents were born in Chicago. And I love the city. And people like GiGi who have a problem with it are welcome to stay away.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pmThis is from your link above Gigi. The one you intended to be a smear. Even if you read your own links you don't know what they mean.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
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Really McMetal can you believe GiGi dissing Chicago. I was born in Chicago, both my parents were born in Chicago. And I love the city. And people like GiGi who have a problem with it are welcome to stay away.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
It really is the 2nd best city I've been lucky to have visited.
Sorry ; I'm a Jerseyite , and still nothing can compare to NYC for a degenerate like myself................
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:37 pmYou are such a child Gigi. I wish the Bushco style of politics was half as clean as the Chicago style politics. Don't tell me, you watched the Untouchables and you believe that people in Chicago still ride around in Model Ts with machine guns ablaze. Get a grip.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pmI can't argue with that MCMetal. I personally have spent a lot of time in Los Angeles. And while I love it there and would be happy to move there any time it's not the same kind of city. My daughter wants to work on Broadway when she's old enough so I suspect I'll eventually get to spend time in NYC. I can't wait.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pmShayne Says:
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I can’t argue with that MCMetal. I personally have spent a lot of time in Los Angeles. And while I love it there and would be happy to move there any time it’s not the same kind of city. My daughter wants to work on Broadway when she’s old enough so I suspect I’ll eventually get to spend time in NYC. I can’t wait.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
It is a tough place ; and the weather reaches opposite ends of the the extremes.
But as the song says : "If I can make it there.........."
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pmgood_golly5 Says:
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MCMetal. Finally some common ground. Something we can agree on. Chicago pizza. Now there’s a start.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 pm
And a finish..........Pizza is an expendable commodity to me ; the GOP and their backers believe that of dark-skinned people with "funny" names...........
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pmhey shayne - got your message... logged in to the zoo...
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pmsee "i can't remember..."
MissMolly, I don't believe goony is redeemable. I've been flagging every single freaking troll this morning. I'm tired of them and their idiotic spewing.
And goony? I know a troll elsewhere who is up to his 38th iteration.
You've got your work cut out for you.
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Free market means one is free to provide a service or not. It’s not negative regulation if it guarantees a right to choose whether to provide the service.
Name one major medical inventor who intended their contributions to be for-profit.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 am
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Your comment really doesn't pertain to people being able to choose which services they will provide. But, as long as you wish to change the subject, I've never seen any data on which, if any, medical inventors invented for profit. Data on which medical inventions are patented would give you a clue. I'd be interested in the seeing the results if you choose to research it.
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"...and his hilbilly half-brother..."
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Where did that come from? Has the brother done anything to warrant being trashed?
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm