Obama Selects Joseph Biden As His Running Mate
Obama Selects Joseph Biden As His Running Mate
CNN’s John King is reporting that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has selected Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) as his running mate. King said the Obama campaign will officially reveal the selection in a text message to over three million people soon. Obama is scheduled to appear with Biden at a rally this afternoon in Springfield, IL.
Biden, who ran as a presidential candidate in 1987 and 2007, has served in the Senate since 1972 and is currently the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. Last week, New York Times conservative columnist David Brooks urged the selection of Biden, writing that he “provides what Obama needs.” Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter wrote, “The main task now for Obama is reassurance that he could handle the job, especially commander in chief. Biden provides it.”
Taking aim at McCain’s foreign policy approach earlier this year, Biden said:
John McCain remains wedded to the Bush Administration’s myopic view of a world defined by terrorism. … He would continue to allow a tiny minority to set the agenda for the overwhelming majority. It is time for a total change in Washington’s world view.
In an interview with ThinkProgress in May, Biden criticized McCain’s “overwhelming lack of sophistication when it comes to foreign policy.”
Biden has called the Bush administration “the worst administration in American foreign policy in modern history, maybe ever. … Every single thing they’ve touched has been a near disaster.” And in an interview last year, he suggested that “we should be acquiring and accumulating” information “for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date.”
UPDATE: The AP is also reporting it.
UPDATE II: CNN’s King attributed his confirmation to two Democratic officials “who told us things they’re not supposed to tell us tonight”:
UPDATE III: The New York Times notes that Biden was the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee “during two of the most contentious Supreme Court nomination battles of the past 50 years: the confirmation proceedings for Robert H. Bork, who was defeated, and Clarence Thomas, who was confirmed after an explosive hearing in which Anita Hill accused Mr. Thomas of sexual harassment.”
UPDATE IV: Biden’s son — Capt. Beau Biden — is preparing for deployment to Iraq next year. “I don’t want him going,” Biden said. “But I tell you what, I don’t want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years and so how we leave makes a big difference.”
UPDATE V: In an Oct. 2007 Democratic presidential debate, Biden famously quipped there’s only three things Rudy Giuliani mentions in a sentence — “a noun, a verb, and 9/11.” Watch it:
UPDATE VI: The Drum Major Institute takes a look at Biden’s record voting on issues “that matter to the pocketbooks of middle-class Americans.”
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August 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 amI agree, Maine–BTW, how’s the weather there?
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 amI’m not unhappy.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 amYea! Just what I was hoping for! Good choice…those debates SURE are going to be something to see…
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 amThis is great news in my humble opinion.
usla
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 amgood_golly5 Says:
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, SINCE BIDEN ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED KERRY TO PICK MCCAIN AS HIS RUNNING MATE. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Please do us all a favour and STFU. PLEASE. But then again, maybe you should continue being the blithering idiot that you are, cuz you guys are going to get your asses handed to you in November. Can’t wait :)
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 amI like Biden, but honestly would have preferred Chris Dodd (strong on civil liberties) or Richardson (executive experience, foreign policy experience). But I’m far happier with Biden than I would have been with Bayh or Kane (both too moderate and boring), and certainly, Hillary who would drag Bill back with her. On the other hand, I think it would be funny if Biden wasn’t the choice at all (watching the networks going crazy trying to “figure it out), and was just a head-fake by Obama.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:58 amso is CBS…
but i didn’t get my email alert…
anyone get their text message?
i heard earlier there would be no announcement before 7am…
but i figured it was biden… well and good…
i really didn’t want to make a scene tomorrow IF i saw hillary there… i could hear myself wail, “NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo…”
g’nite all…
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 amThis is indeed a good choice. I never understood why Biden got so little purchase in the primary race. He is a bit of a loose cannon, but so then is McCain.
I would have preferred Bill Richardson, but should Obama win I would expect Richardson to get the Sec of State spot.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:01 amWell, if I ever suspected that Good Golly worked for the McCain campaign (previously known as the Bush administration), she/he just proved it. Already had material ready to shoot down the Dem VP. I’d be impressed, if I wasn’t so completely disgusted.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:03 amYEAH!!! Biden is going to clean McStain’s clock! Can’t wait until Obama releases his attack dog!
I was really sad when Joe dropped out of the race last November, and said at that time that he’d be a great pick for VP because of his international standing and experience.
This is GOOD NEWS for all of us! Well, except gigi and her delusions.
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 am5. good_golly5 Says:
A little tip from me to you. When you quote The National Review You automatically lose your argument.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 amgoon_golly5 Says:
I see you’re well out in front with your “conservative” talking points, goon. I do hope you’re getting the big bucks for staying up late at night posting absolutely irrelevant and stupid comments, because otherwise you probably should have gotten your beauty sleep instead.
Your comments here on this thread are exactly why no one takes you seriously. You’re more along the lines of a nasty rash.
Please tell us, though, that you’ve avoided breeding. The human race really doesn’t need any more false starts.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 amTime for McCain to announce Romney. :-D
la
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 amExcellent choice. Good Golly Go to Bed. Your guy has had it. Joe Biden will rip him a new one. Your days are over. Happy days are here again.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 amgoon_golly5 Says:
The Google and high speed internet work well together.
Too bad you have not comprehension or context to interpret what you’ve caught in your google net.
Did some nice big bales wash onto your property during Fay’s storms, or do you have another source for getting high?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 amHey Zooey! Want to do the happy feet dance with me?
WEEEEEEEEE!
In a totally hetero way, of course.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 amno text msg for me either :(
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 amBiden has called the Bush administration “the worst administration in American foreign policy in modern history, maybe ever. … Every single thing they’ve touched has been a near disaster.” And in an interview last year, he suggested that “we should be acquiring and accumulating” information “for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date.”
Have more beautiful words ever been uttered? Well, until we hear McStain’s concession speech…
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 amIt’s not an official announcement. The secret service arrived at Biden’s house, sooooo…
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 amHere’s a message for goon golly and all the other trolls who show up later. If you want, you can sing it to the tune of The Beatles’ “You Like Me Too Much”.
Though you trolled us just this morning,
You’ll be back again tonight
Telling us there’ll be no future
If we just don’t see the light
You’ll never leave us and you know it’s true
‘Cause you like us too much though we hate you
We tried before to ban you,
But they did not have the nerve
To lock out your IP address
Which is all that you deserve
You’ll never leave us and you know it’s true
‘Cause you like us too much though we hate you
We really do,
And we hate when you deceive us,
If you leave us, we will follow you
And bring you facts where they belong
‘Cause you shouldn’t live without them
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‘Cause you like us too much though we hate you
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August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 amWe really do,
And we hate when you deceive us,
If you leave us we will follow you
And bring you facts where they belong
‘Cause you shouldn’t live without them
So admit that you were wrong
You couldn’t bear to leave us ’cause it’s true
‘Cause you like us too much though we hate you
‘Cause you like us too much though we hate you
Zooey Says:
Time for McCain to announce Romney. :-D
They’re already lining up for the McMormon bumper stickers :)~
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 amHappy feet dance, spencer’s mom!
Totally straight. That’ smy story and I’m sticking to it!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 amI like that they have both at the very least READ the Constitution, and at the most, understand it and have taught it.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 amPerhaps together they will be able to put the pieces of the Constitution back together again..
I’m not unhappy with this choice. It was not my first choice, but it is a sound choice.
ESL,
McMormon! Ha!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 am
Another classic!
I love it, Wayne. :)
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 amThank you, Zooey. You may register your applause by clicking the recommend button. (You know why ;) )
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 amThe great thing about choosing Biden is that it brings exactly zero electoral votes along with it. It is an appeal to the Nation, as opposed to a section of the Nation.
The downside to this choice – if it is true, do we know for sure yet?- is that it badly muddles the “change” message.
Biden also advocated dividing Iraq into three sub-states. Officially. Constitutionally. Don’t know that it matters or that it will come up, but for all his Foreign Policy prowess he is not infallible…I hope O. likes what he bought.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 amOBAMA/BIDEN – we’ve got most of the vowels covered, all we need is U!
Okay, I’m lame, it’s late and I’m going to bed. ‘night all!
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 amAnd he spelt “bear” correctly, Zooey! ;)
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 amSpencer’s mom, your posts are never lame. Goodnight!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:23 amJane E. Schneider Says:
And he spelt “bear” correctly, Zooey! ;)
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 am
Heh.
Darn…
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 amBiden also advocated dividing Iraq into three sub-states. Officially. Constitutionally. Don’t know that it matters or that it will come up, but for all his Foreign Policy prowess he is not infallible…I hope O. likes what he bought.
Keltoi – no human being is. Are you?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 amZooey Says:
Totally straight. That’ smy story and I’m sticking to it!
Me too, but I must be a carrier :)~
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 amExit Stage Left Says:
Me too, but I must be a carrier :)~
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 am
Heh
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 amHa! I’m picturing the VP debate between Biden and Romney. I guarantee that Mitt’s hair will finally be out of place afterwards, no matter how much hair spray he puts on it!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 amimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
Biden also advocated dividing Iraq into three sub-states. Officially. Constitutionally. Don’t know that it matters or that it will come up, but for all his Foreign Policy prowess he is not infallible…I hope O. likes what he bought.
Keltoi – no human being is. Are you?
That’s a big negative, Ghost Rider, aka I.C.T.B.
It seems to me that O. has put all his eggs in the elder-statesman basket. Not a bad ploy.
Now – how will McCain react? He IS the elder-statesman. You can’t tout youth as your back-up in McC’s spot…I am guessing it will be Romney when all is said and done.
GAWD, I can’t wait for the debates!!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 amWow, I feel completely deflated. A generic DC lifer, woo hoo.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 amJohn McCain remains wedded to the Bush Administration’s myopic view of a world defined by terrorism. … He would continue to allow a tiny minority to set the agenda for the overwhelming majority. It is time for a total change in Washington’s world view.
There are worse choices than Biden but he’s hardly going to be an agent of “change.” Granted it doesn’t make all that much difference who the VP is but it sure appears that Obama is just playing it safe, the same way he’s been playing it safe with FISA, Iraq and offshore drilling etc.
Obama is the clear choice over McCain but I don’t see much changing with Obama in the White House.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 ampoor mickey kaus…
:)
good luck.
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August 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 amAt first I was somewhat surprised, but upon further consideration THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE. It is pure genius. It gives Obama an identity among staunch Democrats like myself who want to see the return of the ‘Kennedy Democrat’ and the end of the ‘Clinton Democrat’ or should I say “Clinton Republican”.
Bravo, Barack. You’ve got my vote FOR SURE now!
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 amNo one could have predicted it would be an old white man!
I can’t think of a less exciting pick. I will vote for Joe Biden for Vice President, but I simply cannot get excited about it. Feh.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 amYeah, when I think of an ‘agent of change’, the first name that comes up is Joe Biden.
For the love of Koresh…YES, I’LL VOTE FOR HIM, but LET ME RANT, okay?
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:17 amBiden is ok, but I think former Gen. Wesley Clark would have been a better pick if the criteria was to get someone with foreign and national security policy experience.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:17 amOh, and I would like to add that I agreed 100% with Biden’s policies when he was running for President. I have always valued his strength in standing up to the Bush Bullies in Congress. It’s just that I (and obviously millions of American’s did not see him as presidential material. But he sure fits the requirement as VP material.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 amimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
Biden also advocated dividing Iraq into three sub-states. Officially. Constitutionally.
That would be a reality-based policy, at least. And it’s going to happen whether Joe Biden divides up Iraq or they do it themselves. It IS happening, presently, and it will continue.
Bush invaded Iraq and broke it into three new countries–and we’re all paying for it in record federal debts, mass cases of PTSD, a devalued currency due to skyrocketing oil prices, and nearly five thousand dead soldiers.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 amThe VP was a after thought, a throw in by the Founding Fathers. It’s now a big game show. “who’s he gonna pick?, will his VP choice give him a better chance at the 100,000 dollar question? VP for 100 Alex.”
Biden isn’t anything special, which is fine because the office of the VP isn’t supposed to be anything special. Just because Cheney has turned it into a secret opps office doesn’t mean it should stay that way. What really concerns me is the Congress’s desire to neuter itself and give more and more power to the President and VP than they need or deserve. All the powers Bush/Cheney have gained are going to be there for the next President, and that power isn’t going to be given up without a fight whether it’s a Dem or Rep.
Now granted McCain will be a disaster as President and it scares the hell out of to think he could have the same powers that have been so abused by Bush/Cheney. But what this country so desperately needs is a much stronger Congress that actually understands it’s Constitutional role and takes it very seriously.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 amZed Lefflin:
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:26 amI highly recommend a book called Chicken Tractor by Andy Lee and Pat Foreman.
Daddy-O Says:
…a devalued currency due to skyrocketing oil prices…
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August 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 amEh, you got that backwards. It’s skyrocketing oil prices due to a devalued currency. All compliments of our moron in chief…
ZedLefflin:
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 amI just saw fresh pocal pastured chickens for over five dollars a pound. Admittedly it was in a place frequented by people who may not remember how many homes they have yet still claim just to be regular folk but anyway, I thought you’d be interested.
I am content with the choice although I think Kucinich would have been the most compatible with the “agent of change” motif. Unfortunately that would have meant VP debates dominated by UFO questions.. :)
Seriously though, I think Biden is a good pick. Much better than the others who were being floated on the short list.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 am.
Well, at least Biden stood to protect the People’s Right to redress grievances should their privacy be ordered by the next Administration to be warrantlessly violated.
Yes, this strikes an obvious balance and presents the challenge Status quObama was talking about.
But still, will Barrack get a Congress capable of rewriting legislation to enforce warrants? Or will his Administration be subjected to a Congress willing to sabotage good legislation that forces him to exorcise presidential VETO power?
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August 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 amWow! Perfect choice Sen. Obama.
I like Sen. Biden because of his wit and his realism.
mcchimpy was already creamed now he will be pulverize.
History in the making!
Beautiful! What a team!
Trolls are in a frenzy!
Oh Happy Day!
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 amTo the naysayers:
HA!
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 amOBAMA/BIDEN ‘08
¶ AIO
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 amYes! Senator Biden is a good choice–a really competent, experienced, and outspoken leader.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:49 amI was afraid that Senator Obama would be pressured into choosing Senator Clinton–a sore loser.
Yes, Katy,
I did receive an alert, supposedly from Obama himself.
Katy asks:
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:24 ambut i didn’t get my email alert…
anyone get their text message?
Paul, You’ve got to be kidding, right?
Hell, just two quick things that come to mind:
Who Obama might appoint to the supreme court and be able to get approved with a democratic legislature.
The difference in what will happen with our national debt.
I could go on, you know, who will actually be more likely to do something about our national health care crisis, who would be more likely to have a crime ridden administration, etc.
I think any democrat would be a major change from what we have now so I just don’t get your post.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:30 amwell 3 out of 4 people who may work in White House supported the war in Iraq. That sounds about right.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:30 amIf this election is about George W. Bush, and his Disasterous policies…Obama will win. Sen. Biden will make the case, and tie Sen. McCain to Bush with an eloquent ribbon.
As for Sen. Clinton…She needs a seat on the Supreme Court. That will drive the Right Wing Crazy for life.
And as far as those who “supported” the war in Iraq. ONLY McCain , knowing what he knows NOW, would repeat the same mistake.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 amI hope Obama gets better at controlling things as he obviously did an extremely poor job of surprising anybody with his VP pick announcement. Obama’s mis-step that led to the press to Biden’s door.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:48 amAs plagiarism is a main theme in Biden’s life, I suspect he’s going to be borrowing losing from Al and Hillaray …
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:50 amWe will no doubt have Trollette’s Syndrome outbreaks concerning Biden’s tendency to commit gaffes. In an effort to pre-empt such clap-trap, let us all remember that we have had a moron in office for eight years who does that on a daily basis. And I doubt that Biden will ever be able to top these even if he tries:
‘It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas.’
- GDumbya; Beaverton, Oregon, September 25, 2000.
Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?-
GDumbya; Florence, South Carolina, January 11, 2000.
We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.
-GDumbya; Des Moines, Iowa, August 21, 2000.
Will the highways on the internet become more few?
-GDumbya; Concord, New Hampshire, January 29, 2000.
If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:04 am-GDumbya; Rochester, New York, January 7, 2000.
My favorite, is this Freudian Slip:
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” –Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:17 amThis is a very sound pick.
I’m glad Obama chose a VP based on his strength as an advisor, which is the VP’s top job, and not as a ploy to win the electoral votes of a particular battleground state. Biden’s debating skills and vast knowledge on the issues will lift more boats in the electoral college by appealing to the older voters across the board. McCain’s older voters – his only real strength – are now up for grabs.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 amI am pleased.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:30 amCon10tious Says:
I hope Obama gets better
Obama doesn’t need to get better for trolls (used toilet paper) because he’s at his game and on his way to leveling you on Nov. 4. Get some psyc. assistance to help you through this difficult time, and all the difficult times to follow after the election. It’s going to be quite the adjustment for you after pillaging our country for the last eight years.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 amI am very happy that it was not Senator Evan Bayh , who is a war monger.
Biden represents ‘Diplomacy With Strength..’the opposite of McCain policy of Neocons doctrine, ‘More Wars And No Diplomacy’.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 amBayh’s selection would have been a disaster.
Biden is a fighter,experienced and he knows the issues.
He is very much liked by most Democrats.
Good selection.
Senator Dodd would have made a good selection, but Biden is more charismatic,and better fighter when it comes to handling the media and facing his opponents.
jk you coward. no one cares what you think. Stick around and say something instead of poop and run.
only a coward would do a drive by. You are no better than a street thug…..
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:44 amYou bet its change.
And there seems to be a renewing quality about Joe Biden. It doesn’t seem like he’s spent 36 years in the Senate.
You’re getting scared, John. And I’m speaking to you too, John.
You’re both going to steamrolled. You’re both finished.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:45 amWhen the right fears the worst they claim the highest levels of confidence.
Biden is one tough SOB. That “old white guy” will sure cancel out McCain in a big way, huh troll Kerry?
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 amtarazan, I agree. I don’t see why Bayh was floated as finalist. That would have been the real gift to the right given his votes for the invasion.
Open that “gift” troll kerry, and enjoy your dry turd.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 amSorry for the multiple posts, but have you noticed that Biden is a nice guy with the perfect level of arrogance to take on the right, the party who’d be in high spirits if America was reduced to a morning trash pickup?
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:54 amA very uninspired choice, in fact, a boring choice. I’m tuning out even more now (after Obama’s FISA vote). Biden is not the “change I beleive in”
I’m voting for McKinney.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 amKay, please reconsider voting for McKinney. You would be throwing your vote away and essentially voting for McNumbNuts.
Biden is a solid choice. This is not the time to lodge a protest vote because you think Biden is “boring”. He is actually anything but boring as you will see over the coming months.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 amHi Tom,
I don’t want to get into a “spitting contest” this morning — but I can just see McSenile using footage in a future (if not already airing) of Biden saying Obama isn’t ready to be president from a past debate.
It’s gonna get really nasty.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:20 amOK,so Joe Biden said (in Huffington Post) “The more people learn about them (Barry and Hillary)and how they handle the pressure the more their support will evaporate” He’s criticised the Annointed Ones lack of experience, denounced his poor foreign policy judgement and argued he’s not ready to be President and yet here we are…….you guys, you’r so – so weird. Anyway, enjoy the ride – should be interesting.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 amlaurieofausrabia
Filling your head with too much Hannity and Ingraham rubbish?
If you’re going to post, try not to come off as a stereotypical, like, high school cheerleader.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 amKay, I understand that you are not satisfied with what is going on but it is going to get nasty. I guess you think that if Obama had chosen Mckinny or Kusinich that the republicans would just back off and not have anything negative to say about them.
We have democratically selected a representative and this is his choice to make. At this point I have to support them. I think Joe is a great choice. I don’t think it will be boring at all.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:31 amlaurieofausrabia Says:
Guess mitt never said anything negative about mccain, right? What is your point?
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 amBadger Says:
My favorite, is this Freudian Slip:
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” –Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
Not sure thats a Freudian slip, but rather a rare occasion of Chimpy telling the truth =D
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 amNever for a moment in this campaign did I think that Obama would choose McKinney or Kucinich as a running mate.
McKinney and Kucinich fiercely protect the Constitution and The Bill of Rights to have ever gotten chosen and to have ever gotten Corporate Controlled Media’s attention anyways.
I just don’t think a 65 year old, white senator is the change that I believe in. I guess I live in a dreamworld. I guess I was dreaming that Obama would have picked someone like Feingold. I’m waiting for the expected criticsm.
On November 9th after Obama wins in a landslide — I will come back down to Earth. For my peace of mind — I am not watching any of the convention or the debates.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:39 amKay, Did you hear what Feingold said about Obama last week — he and Daschle each said that Obama is their choice, but McCain is a good guy and they could work with him if her were president — how’s that for a Clinton-like endorsement?
I am sorry that you feel you cannot vote for Obama/Biden. I think you will throw away your vote. We have an electoral college – not a popular vote – your state will go toward one candidate or the other, not the independent (at least not in this election).
Why would you think that a person to the far left of center would be able to win not only the presidency but should that happen, be able to work with Congress as well?
I also happen to like Kucinich – I believe he is a good, intelligent man with honorable intentions, but most of the public does not see him that way, so he cannot win.
I like McKinney’s feisty spirit, but that won’t win either.
Barr and Paul will pull some away from McCain – but they could never win either, for similar reasons.
The winner of the election must be someone who appeals not only to Democrats (left and center) but also to independents and moderate Republicans — Obama does that. He sees the many facets of each issue and will work toward pushing us down the correct path – it just won’t be a straight bee-line.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 amI just poured myself a second cup of coffee and I’ll try to explain (or put my foot in my mouth, whatever comes first)
First off, I probably wouldn’t have been happy whomever Obama had chosen. I come from a very unique perspective: The world all changed on 9/11/01 because of the Bush Admins false-flag attack on the US. What we have is a fake war on terror: so Obama is leading into the 21st century on Bush’s continued crusade against terrorism.
There always has to be an “ism” to rail against. (communism, socialism etc). There always has to be a state-concocted enemy.
We are now living in a Military Economy — other than the very rich, Big Oil and the Military and it’s satellite companies (KBR, Haliburton are raking in the dough)
So, in sum, I believe that Obama by signing on to the FISA Amendment Act of 2008 id prescribing to the theory that in order for us to be safe from the “enemy” — we must curtail civil liberties (4th Amendment)
I think this is wrong. Kids, these are scary times we are living in. I am 46 years old and this is the first time since Carter that I am not voting for one of the 2 big parties.
I have always voted Democrat. I just think that Obama and Biden have both signed up for Bush’s xenophobic crusade to stamp out terrorism instead of focusing on reinvestigating 9/11 and see Bush’s House of Cards fall one by one.
I know I know I cannot expect to come on here and not expect critism. I am a taxpaying citizen of what’s left of this Great Country and I am entitled to an opinion.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 amVice President Biden. I like the sound of that.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 amFor those who feel that Biden is a boring pick, please take a moment and watch this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOkXgZqofA
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 amI will admit that (of late) I have been afraid to come here and express my point of view. Then I though everyone here is entitled to their opinion.
I honor everyone else’s views, I hope you can do the same for me. That’s all I am asking.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 amWith your help we will never know whether your speculation is true or not will we?
You’re going to tell me that you aren’t even willing to give this a chance knowing full well the consequenses if you are wrong?
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:12 amNo one is attacking you Kay. No one thinks that you don’t have a point. It’s just not a deal breaker for me personally.
My biggest problem with you continually posting your opinion is that it is counter-productive. You offer no alternative, just negativity.
It’s like the alcohoic prayer…..you know, understanding the things you cannot change but change the things you can.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 amTake your pick:
Continued war in Iraq with McSenile/Sock-puppet runningmate
-or
“The Good War” in Afganistan with Obama/Biden
both options, at least to me are unacceptable.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:18 amKay,
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 amDisagreement with you does not indicate a lack of respect for your opinion. I hope you don’t see it that way.
We are ALL worried about the condition of this country and the direction on which it is headed. I am older than you, and this is the first time I have been this worried about our nation. We are desperate for someone who is intelligent and has the ability to digest all points of view before making a decision. We desperately need a leader.
BTW, I have questions in my own mind about the wisdom of enlarging the war in Afghanistan. I am reserving judgment.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:22 amTo be honest:
I hate the thought of voting for the “lesser of 2 evils”, “I’m voting against McLame”
What’s happened in this country! Why is this happening? I am not the least bit inspired by Obama or Biden.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 amKay Says:
You seem to be trying to pick a fight this morning. Too many things that are speculation about the future are unacceptable to you. What about the realities of what will happen if mccain gets elected.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 amI thought you said you were 50 something. We teach our children fair play in order to move our society in that direction. We certainly are not there yet.
I hate the thought of mccain as president much more than I fear what Obama will do.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 amMy intention was never to pick a fight. That’s your perception.
I guess it’s like Christmas: when you want a bike and you get socks and under wear.
Obama and Biden are socks and underwear.
I was living in denial this morning that Obama would pick someone inspiring.
I never meant to pick a fight.
I’ll leave you all now (I am going to mow my grass)
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 amBiden is the perfect choice for VP. He will bring many of the white males who would never vote for a black man or a woman. He has the experience and the expertise. Excellent!
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 amI honestly do not think the problem of terrorism will ever be won by fighting a war anywhere but I do know that Obama will engage other countries in the struggle and I think the focus will eventually be towards police involvement rather than military intervention.
I don’t think mccain thinks that way at all.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 amKay, please read up on Biden.
And in an interview last year, he suggested that “we should be acquiring and accumulating” information “for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date.”
And Biden called Guliani the “least qualified person to run for president since George Bush.”
There are problems with every candidate, but for me, Biden’s strengths far outweigh his weaknesses.
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 amObama has put together a great campaign. It is well run and very professional.
Picking Biden makes the two of them combined one of the best “good cop/bad cop” pairs you could ask for. Obama gets to stay on point and take the high road while Biden breaks McBotch off at the knees!!!
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 amI was watching TV at 11:30pm CST last night when they broke in with the news.
I’m wondering if the announcement of McCain’ VP pick will be as anticipated, that they’ll report it the moment it breaks, even past midnight EST, or wait until morning?
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 amone more thing:
Biden criticizes Obama — in new McCain ad
Posted: 09:07 AM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
A new GOP ad shows Biden criticizing Obama.
(CNN) — John McCain’s campaign is going to the tape.
Wasting little time attacking the newly-minted Democratic presidential ticket, the McCain campaign released a television ad Saturday morning featuring Barack Obama’s running mate criticizing the Illinois senator in a primary debate last year.
The 30-second spot, set to air in key states, features an August 2007 primary debate during which Joe Biden was asked if he stood by his criticism Obama is not yet ready to be president.
“I think that I stand by the statement,” Biden is shown saying.
The ad also features a 2005 interview of Biden during which he praised McCain, saying, “I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.”
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 amNot a surprise, but can’t complain about the choice of Biden.
One thing’s for sure, Biden won’t let McCain’s VP pick to steamroll over him like Edwards let Cheney lie his tukus off without calling him on it once.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 am…in an interview last year, he suggested that “we should be acquiring and accumulating” information “for possibly bringing criminal charges against members of this administration at a later date.”
AbsoPhuckingLutely!
Go git ‘em Joe!
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:02 amI’m starting to understand why. You haven’t interacted with any of us when we reply to your comments and all have been civil. You just continue to push your opinion again and again without offering any reasonable solution.
We definatly know how you feel kay. How many posts do you think it will take before we come around to your way of thinking, especially when you won’t even address the things we say in response to your “opinion”?
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 amYou don’t need to do the GOPs work by posting the text of the ad, Kay. We don’t need to be “filled in”, contrary to what you believe.
Your earlier posts were fine; I’m glad you feel comfortable expressing your concerns here. Thank your for your passionate input.
But now it’s reached a point this morning where you’re trying to demoralize us because of your obsession with 20/20 hindsight. The republican party has reduced itself to a cheap third party; we can make quicker fixes within our party because we attract talent.
Obama has chosen his VP, and while it would be good for the country to have a female in one of the top slots, Biden doesn’t deserve to be reduced to an “old white guy.”
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:10 amFred,
Kay is today’s “concern” troll tossed at us by the RePugniScum Corporate Fascist. The post about the new McCain ad was the dead give away.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 amRe: New anti Biden add. Chuck Todd on MSNBC asked is this the best they have? I personally bet they had ads ready against all of the potential veeps and agree 100%. This will be an easy ticket to support!
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 amI personally like Biden, but he has a lot to answer for in terms of war support and ignoring the progressive party base. He doesn’t speak for most of us here.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 amOn a previous thread I had compared how similar Obama/Bush are, we can now add one: Choosing an ultimate insider to balance a lack of Washington experience and adding “gravitas” to a campaign.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 amI don’t think you have honored our views at all. You won’t even discuss them with us much as we have tried to engage you.
You seem very concerned that your opinion be heard but have little interest in what others here have to say. You won’t even respond to direct questions and statments with your posts quoted in them. How is that supposed to work kay?
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 amThe reason I posted about the ad was to show what Obama is up against. Do you think it was wise to pick a VP having said such glowing terms about McTurd?
dixie blood:
what is: RePugniScum Corporate Fascist?
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 amcertainly not me. If you really read my posts — this is what I fight against on a daily basis.
Thanks for the laugh first thing this morning. Pretty good joke but I’m afraid it’s on you my friend.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 amdixie blood Says:
Fred,
Kay is today’s “concern” troll tossed at us by the RePugniScum Corporate Fascist. The post about the new McCain ad was the dead give away.
This is exactly the sort of response that Kay complained about. Kay doesn’t believe Obama is sufficiently progressive and is certainly entitled to that opinion. A lot of other people seem to get angry because they can’t convince Kay he’s actually voting for McCain and accuse Kay of “not listening” because he disagrees.
I don’t happen to agree with Kay, but it is certainly a legitimate attitude to take and I think labeling him a troll is ridiculous. Kay’s been posting here a long time and is far from a wingnut or a troll. His tone is civil, unlike some people who scream at the Obama supporters and call them childish insulting names. Let’s have a little respect for other people’s opinions, for cripes’ sake.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amMcCain campaign was sure to run an ad of the past remarks of Biden or whomever Obama picked. But if McCain makes this his prime go- to ad it will backfire. Lots of things are said during the primaries.
Obama and Biden make a formidable team that speaks dramatically to the issue that America is suffering from a lack of attention to needs here at home, and suffering from a loss of moral authority globally. The Republicans and Bush have sullied every bit of foreign goodwill we had at the time of 9/11. Foreign policy has been to say “we have bigger weenies” than you guys”.
It’s time for Americans to truly assess (not listen to pundits) the issues. It’s time for Americans to demand more than empty campaign ads such as McCain’s today.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amBiden voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amChange?
You seem to be fishing for just such a response. Where have you fought against it? Your talk is starting to sound cheap.
We already know what Obama is up against. We don’t need you posting right wing talking points to help us understand. Try entering a discussion and answering some of our questions instead of preaching to us. We aren’t as dumb as you seem to think we are. You obviously do not have all the answers or at least if you do, you are keeping them to yourself.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 amrobert verdi
Obama’s picked someone who fit the criteria in “someone who would challenge his thinking.”
Troll, we criticize our own and aren’t afraid to do so. It is done to iron out the kinks. This is a balanced ticket that is going to kick your ass.
You caused all of the problems in the United States with your support for the GOP.
What do have to say about your impending loss? Because petty criticism isn’t going to help your party.
Increased poverty? Increase homelessness? Increased crime? The uninsured? The fact that we’re still stuck in Iraq? Ever heard of those? Those are the real issues. Discuss those, and bring up personal criticism in the appropriate context.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:31 amleftcoast Says:
McCain campaign was sure to run an ad of the past remarks of Biden or whomever Obama picked. But if McCain makes this his prime go- to ad it will backfire. Lots of things are said during the primaries.
Indeed. It would happen if Obama had chosen any VP who had been in any of the primaries. Imagine the video clips available if he’d chosen Clinton!
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 amIf nothing else , at least Biden is eminently quotable ; his line on Drooliani (”a noun , a verb and 9/11″) is one of the best and funniest in campaign history………..
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 amgummitch Says:
I’ve been about as civil with kay as you can be. I have shown respect for his opinion but have received no recipical consideration.
I’m just asking kay to engage in conversation rather than preaching and posting right wing talking points. Did you read all the posts here gummitch?
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 amI don’t think Kay strikes me as a troll, but he can be condescending.
Posting that GOP ad, it seems, was his way of telling us to “lighten up.” Very insulting.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 amFred,
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 amThe campaigns of Bush 2000 and Obama are similar. As for policies from clean coal, to ethanol, to FISA Bush and Obama have ended up on the same page. You really think Obama is going to get rid of NCLB, faith based funding, aids policy in Africa. Obama it appears will be working with a force of status agreement ironed out by the Bush admin, in addition Obama’s complain on Afghanistan is that Bush hasn’t sent enough troops to the war.
Foot Of Pride
Bob Dylan
Well, there ain’t no goin’ back when your foot of pride come down
Ain’t no goin’ back
Well they’ll choose a man for you to meet tonight
You’ll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors
How to enter into the gates of paradise
No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours
Yeah, from the stage they’ll be tryin’ to get water outta rocks
A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks
They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in
Sing “Amazing Grace” all the way to the Swiss banks
Well, there ain’t no goin’ back when your foot of pride come down
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 amAin’t no goin’ back
Fred Says:
gummitch Says:
I’ve been about as civil with kay as you can be. I have shown respect for his opinion but have received no recipical consideration.
I’m just asking kay to engage in conversation rather than preaching and posting right wing talking points. Did you read all the posts here gummitch?
I’ve read all the comments, and I’ve read a lot of Kay’s and your comments over the last few months. I do not understand why you insist on labeling them “right wing talking points.” Go back and read his comment at 9:02 am (90). Does that sound like a right wing talking point to you?
I know you pride yourself on your own progressive credentials, but I think you judge Kay much too harshly.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am…wonder how long before the mental giants working with Karl Rove come up with: No “O” and Joe.
Can’t wait for the lovely Sen. McCain and his equally lovely running mate — Gov. Mitt Romney — to try and match intelligence and wisdom with their counterparts.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 amgummitch Says:
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Fred Says:
gummitch Says:
I’ve been about as civil with kay as you can be. I have shown respect for his opinion but have received no recipical consideration.
I’m just asking kay to engage in conversation rather than preaching and posting right wing talking points. Did you read all the posts here gummitch?
I’ve read all the comments, and I’ve read a lot of Kay’s and your comments over the last few months. I do not understand why you insist on labeling them “right wing talking points.” Go back and read his comment at 9:02 am (90). Does that sound like a right wing talking point to you?
I know you pride yourself on your own progressive credentials, but I think you judge Kay much too harshly.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am
I believe we’re all guilty of that , starting with your’s truly here ; these last 8 years have been pretty grating , after all…………
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 amrobert verdi
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Thanks for the laughs this morning, stupid bastard.
Most of the issues you cite are taken up lightly and reluctantly by the republican party, because of the strong support for those issues within the democratic party.
The status of forces agreement (aka TIMETABLE) has been pushed for years by the democratic party, and the (p)resident is just now taking it up to give folks the impression that “there’s no work for democrats, so don’t hire them.”
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 amI’ve never thought of myself as posting ‘right-wing’ talking points. I think my negativity is being misinterpreted for “reality”.
Gummitch is right, Obama is far, far less than progressive than I would like. That’s when I feel that I live in a dream world.
I certainly feel like I respect and listen to other points of view. I am sorry you don’t feel that way. I’m just really frustrated with the way of the world.
And I guess having an opposite point of view is nothing less than being a Republican Troll, which I am not.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am. . . whoops, forgot: The Republicans are already labeling the Democratic ticket as “pointy-headed” — you know, just like the dumb kid in class has to attack the intelligent, thoughtful, thought-filled and wise students for not being at the bottom of the intellectual barrel with him.
I’d love to watch a debate every night from now until the election.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 amPatty Says:
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…wonder how long before the mental giants working with Karl Rove come up with: No “O” and Joe.
Can’t wait for the lovely Sen. McCain and his equally lovely running mate — Gov. Mitt Romney — to try and match intelligence and wisdom with their counterparts.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am
Mutt Romney versus McStupid ; the battle of the undergarments.
Depends or magic underpants ?
Take your pick …………..
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 amQUOTE – “Here you have for the first time in all American history a woman or African-American poised to be the next president, and there’s no way to break through that,” Biden said days after ending his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Source: AP
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 amJust starting with your first statement I would say you immediatly lose credibility. When did Obama question mccains patriotism? When did Obama accuse mccain of being in cahoots with criminals? When did obama question mccains qualifications?
Although you seem to think those are legitimate tactics I think they reek of desperation.
There is no comparison in the two campains. Obama has taken the high road and mccain has resurfaced the low road from overuse.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 amPatty Says:
…wonder how long before the mental giants working with Karl Rove come up with: No “O” and Joe.
I’ve spent part of the last week peeling “Nobama” stickers off bus shelters here in Portland. There’s a visual of Obama as Che Guevara and the tag line “we’ve already defeated communism once.” If you do a google search for nobama, you’ll discover that the Internet has far more American lunatics and racists than you might have guessed. Some really nasty wingnuts out there.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 amRomney can attract the Chippendales voting bloc. I think McCain should check all of his VP candidates for tight abs and firm biceps.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 amFred Says:
robert verdi Says:
The campaigns of Bush 2000 and Obama are similar.
Just starting with your first statement I would say you immediatly lose credibility. When did Obama question mccains patriotism? When did Obama accuse mccain of being in cahoots with criminals? When did obama question mccains qualifications?
Or when did Obama accuse McCain of fathering an illegitimate black baby? Verdi’s comment is one of the stupidest yet, in a field of astonishingly stupid comments.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 amPossible Republican bumperstickers:
“Vote against Obama/Biden: They’re too smart.”
“McCain/Romney: Home Sweet Home.”
“Well, oh yeah? Ya’ little jerk.”
“My staff will get back to you.”
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 amOkay, even though I was not going to get political this weekend due to my bro-in-law’s wedding, once my wife got the text, I couldn’t contain myself any longer.
First, I’m in Erie, PA, which, to my perception, is quite conservative.
Second, my wife’s brother’s soon to be new family is quite religious, and I’ve had to deal with a bunch of anti-Obama talk. Now, being that it’s NOT my wedding, I’ve reluctantly kept my mouth shut, and will continue to do so as not to “ruin” the blessed day.
(BTW, by bro-in-law is an Obama supporter).
I’m pleased with Obama’s choice. I’ve always liked and respected Biden.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 amWhat’s interesting, is where we are staying at (Erie) is where Tom Ridge is from, and he has a huge following here.
Rumor has it that he is on McCain’s list of VP.
I wonder if the extreme religious right here will accept his pro choice views?
Okay, enough political rambling, gotta get back into “family” mode.
Take care all!
Kay Says:
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I’ve never thought of myself as posting ‘right-wing’ talking points. I think my negativity is being misinterpreted for “reality”.
Gummitch is right, Obama is far, far less than progressive than I would like. That’s when I feel that I live in a dream world.
I certainly feel like I respect and listen to other points of view. I am sorry you don’t feel that way. I’m just really frustrated with the way of the world.
And I guess having an opposite point of view is nothing less than being a Republican Troll, which I am not.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
I believe I’m as “far left” as anyone ; I simply do not see a real progressive being even considered for the office of the president at this date , however.
After 8 years of one extreme , I don’t feel that Americans would be comfortable with someone coming from the exact opposite end of the spectrum ; regardless of how well they would do as CIC and leading the nation……….
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 amgummitch says:
. . . Or when did Obama accuse McCain of fathering an illegitimate black baby? Verdi’s comment is one of the stupidest yet, in a field of astonishingly stupid comments.
Karl Rove foments disaster wherever he and his Blackberry travel.
As to the lovely Sen. McCain’s judgment, now he’s taking advice/instruction from the same Karl Rove who claimed both the illegitimate black baby nonsense and the permanent mental damage done to McCain as a result of his years as a POW.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 amI hope you enjoy all of the festivities, DRxJ. Take care.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 amMCMetal Says:
I believe I’m as “far left” as anyone ; I simply do not see a real progressive being even considered for the office of the president at this date , however.
I agree completely, which is why I haven’t been disappointed by Obama’s “shift” to the center. From my perspective, that’s where he has been all along, albeit more left of center than Clinton for the most part. It’s been 40 years, probably, since I believed this country would ever choose a progressive president. I’m content to see someone who isn’t a fascist sitting in the White House, and am placing most of my trust in the election of more progressive candidates to Congress (and in the state houses here in Oregon).
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 amgummitch Says:
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MCMetal Says:
I believe I’m as “far left” as anyone ; I simply do not see a real progressive being even considered for the office of the president at this date , however.
I agree completely, which is why I haven’t been disappointed by Obama’s “shift” to the center. From my perspective, that’s where he has been all along, albeit more left of center than Clinton for the most part. It’s been 40 years, probably, since I believed this country would ever choose a progressive president. I’m content to see someone who isn’t a fascist sitting in the White House, and am placing most of my trust in the election of more progressive candidates to Congress (and in the state houses here in Oregon).
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 am
That’s what WE need to do ; get the word out when it comes to putting in progressives into various elected offices.
Not just because they are far superior (which they are) , but because it’s going to take one monumental clean-up effort to wipe away the huge shit stain of the last 8 years………..
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 amgummitch Says:
Kay,
In response to gums post I will just say that I was not aware that my posts seemed judgmental. I too have been angry in the past and I have made an ass out of myself here before I came to terms with that.
I was not however attempting to do any less than get kay to think about the issues from my perspective. I got his message and it just seems that I was not getting the same in return.
My intention was not to insult or judge. I’m trying to sway opinion as to what we can actually do to change things.
I don’t think kay is a troll either but in fairness I think that if kay wants to be taken seriously that he should respond in kind.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 amI think Biden is a great pick, brings experience and some steady leadership. Perhaps this will help sway middle class and undecided voters.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 amGood Morning poster’s,…..Good for Obama/Biden….I won’t rain on your parade today, in to much pain to post my usual lengthy thought’s…..Can hardly sit to post a tiny note.
Since Kay and I have been sentenced to the troll bin I’ll just take some med’s for my pain and leave with…..Peace, Blessings & Justice to you all
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 amKrazny Says:
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I think Biden is a great pick, brings experience and some steady leadership. Perhaps this will help sway middle class and undecided voters.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
And that’s truly sad ; not what Kraz stated , but that it’s true.
What in the hell could those undecided , and especially middle class voters , be thinking ?
Are they under the impression that a money and social climbing male barracuda like McStupid , who married for money and not love , is worth more than a fart aimed in his direction ?
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 amyeah. watch that, and then watch mcthuseleh talk about iran, iraq, afghanistan and pakistan and then tell me that
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 am
I haven’t gone through the whole thread, so this may be too late but…
which troll do you think will be the first to dig up the Biden plagiarism talking point?
I say Gigi.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 amralph the wonder llama Says:
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I haven’t gone through the whole thread, so this may be too late but…
which troll do you think will be the first to dig up the Biden plagiarism talking point?
I say Gigi.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 am
Which makes plenty of sense in light of McStupid’s “cross in the sand” story along with Cindy McPillPopper’s “famous recipes”…………
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 amralph the wonder llama Says:
I haven’t gone through the whole thread, so this may be too late but…
which troll do you think will be the first to dig up the Biden plagiarism talking point?
I say Gigi.
Well, she was up late last night and I think already beat you to the punch. Unfortunately (ha!), her comments have been deleted and no one bothered to quote her dribble. What was clear was that she had her talking points all ready to cut and paste into comments. She probably had something for any of the VP possibilities, courtesy of the RNC.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 amThen go play in the highway and end it all for once. Seriously….
What a truly horrible thing to say. I guess wanted peace in the Middle East deems telling someone to committ suicide.
You are pathetic.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 amJoe Biden appears to be an EXCELLENT pick for Barack Obama.
And John McCain has a new ad in which he uses Joe Biden’s “loose lips” against Barack Obama. This one HURTS, folks:
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/john-mccain-doesnt-waste-any-time-body.html#links
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 amTripleKick 14 Says:
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Team Obama went right to the old white guy in order to look experienced. Change indeed.
It will be hilarious listening to Joe Biden’s greatest hits telling us how Obama is too inexperienced. Picking Biden was the nail in the coffin.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
Oh yeah
Especially when McDepends tabs Mutt Romney ; the Obama/Biden ticket isn’t going to have a ton of material to work with there…………??
Get lost , TribbleDick
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 amTickleDick:
I wonder what the McSame/Romney greatest hits has on it that we can talk about? You and your ilk are such stupid losers. Go play in the street.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 amTripleDick 15-in-waiting
In other words, Biden is your worst enemy.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 amTripleKick 14 Says:
Team Obama went right to the old white guy in order to look experienced. Change indeed.
It will be hilarious listening to Joe Biden’s greatest hits telling us how Obama is too inexperienced. Picking Biden was the nail in the coffin.
We’ll be laughing as soon as McBush chooses one of his primary opponents for a running mate. There will be a wealth of clips to choose from, especially if he chooses Mittens.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 amO.T. sorry..truthout.org……American air strike’s took out 76 civilian’s in Afghan..Mostly women and children….I grieve…..Blessings
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 amThere’s a big crowd around Biden’s home ; and all the talking heads are stating most are neighbors/friends/well wishers……
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amSen. McCain can’t remember that all his words of the past 10 years anyhow, including his 70-something issue-related flip-flops, have been preserved within that new-fangled computer mumbo-jumbo world which escapes his understanding.
Yeah, he’s the one we want in charge.
Roll tape — now, until November, and never have to repeat a screw-up.
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amReally, the attack on Kay by some of the posters is truly repulsive, and not at all what I would call “progressive.” He/She is further to the left than many here (as am I), and is understandably frustrated by the continuing middle course. I’m a big fan of the writings of Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and Gore Vidal. But I also recognize that the vast majority of the U.S. population are either center or right of center. Only time will eventually (hopefully) move people further to the progressive side. Gummitch stated that he pretty much gave up on getting a progressive into the White House 40 years ago, and puts his/her energy into supporting progressive candidates in both local and national legislative offices. I agree completely that is the appropriate approach to take. We have a problem in this country with creating an idol for a President, and the result is what we have seen. A decrease in constitutional powers exercised by the Congress and increases in the strength of the Executive Branch. This has been going on for a very long time….not just with Bush (though they carried it beyond anything we’ve seen before).
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 amFred said:
Paul W Says:
Obama is the clear choice over McCain but I don’t see much changing with Obama in the White House.
Paul, You’ve got to be kidding, right?
What I meant by change was in a general sense. As I mentioned in my comment, “Obama is the clear choice over McCain” so of course I recognize that there would be a “change” with Obama but not in an overall way with how things are done in Washington. Obama’s flip-flop on FISA is one example. For the Democratic nominee to capitulate over a piece of legislation that goes to the core of our constitution and is a slap in the face to the rule of law is a classic example of beltway politics especially when you consider that for many of the Democrats that went along with it did it not out of just cowardice but because they actually agreed with it.
This is precisely the kind of thing that needs to change if we ever hope to get back our government. If we want healthcare that covers everyone and without lining the pockets of the completely useless private insurance industry, if we want the wasted billions of dollars that feeds the military to be diverted to critically needed infrastructure, then we’re going to need some real change in Washington, far more than Obama/Biden will bring.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s vital that McCain be defeated so that uniting behind Obama is paramount but I was simply pointing out that Obama’s choice of Biden for VP was emblematic of the type of presidency we’ll get with Obama.
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August 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 am#167 Impeach..Thank you for your post…..Blessings and I agree…
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 amI think that Biden is a great choice. Since Obama can’t be the attack dog, Biden can and he’s really good at it! Besides, he has all the qualifications for President. I would have been happy if he had ended up as our nominee.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 pmFace it, the GOP has gone so far right that today’s moderate Democrats are what used to be considered moderate Republicans.
Remember Nixon opening talks with China? Unprecidented in his time. Remember Eisenhower warning about the Industrial Military Complex? Again, spot on coming from a war hero.
I’m excited about Obama, and I’m equally excited about Biden. If some here are concerned, I do understand and respect that point of view. However, the alternative to the Democratic ticket is McStain and whoever/whatever he picks.
Is anything more scary than that?
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pmI see that goon5 is gone. Countdown to goon6. TP – PLEASE BAN TROLLS BY IP ADDRESS.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmspencers mom Says:
As I said to my republican friend who is going to vote for Obama, I would rather vote for the guy who might change things, then the guy who won’t.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pmrobert verdi Says:
well 3 out of 4 people who may work in White House supported the war in Iraq. That sounds about right.
One out of the 4 bought Bush’s lies and now knows that it was a big mistake. Your two, on the other hand, are still happy to be occupying a foreign country.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm107. Kay Says:
You know Kay, Fred is right about you. You aren’t interested in getting your point of view across, you are interested in proving that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Personally I tagged you as a troll a long time ago and I stand by that designation now.
So what if the Republicans are running an ad about Biden saying that he thought Obama was not ready to be President. I’m sure they will find something similar that Romney said about McBush. And all Biden needs to do is to say he changed his mind, that Obama has shown that he certainly is ready to be President.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
Really, the attack on Kay by some of the posters is truly repulsive, and not at all what I would call “progressive.” He/She is further to the left than many here (as am I), and is understandably frustrated by the continuing middle course.
I don’t think that the people here have a problem with Kay expressing his/her views. I know I have a problem with the fact that s/he is more determined to prove that s/he is right and everyone else is wrong. If you don’t have a problem with that kind of posting, more power to you. But I find that s/he acts more like a troll than a progressive poster. Everyone does remember his/her hissy fits about Hillary, don’t we.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pmI never supported Hillary. Why do you keep saying this? Are you confusing me with someone else?
{Yes. My opinions/views are all wrong.
And everyone else is right.
I submit. I am not worthy. I am troll.}
sarcasm, off now
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmKay Says:
I never supported Hillary. Why do you keep saying this? Are you confusing me with someone else?
I still think some are confusing you with Katy.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmBut I do think Hillary with her 18M votes would hve helped Obama — more.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pmrobert verdi Says:
On a previous thread I had compared how similar Obama/Bush are, we can now add one: Choosing an ultimate insider to balance a lack of Washington experience and adding “gravitas” to a campaign.
Except Bush didn’t choose Cheney. Cheney, as head of Bush’s VP search committee, chose himself.
So, no comparison.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:03 pmI think at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if I think I am right or if someone here thinks they are right.
I want a president to defend the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. And I can’t seem to get passed Obama’s voting for 2008 FISA Amendment Act.
But, I guess that’s not possible. So, I’ll live in my live in my little dream world.
At least I’ll give Biden credit — he voted against the FISA ACT of 2008.
I will try to play better with others here by listening and responding – I never I said I was perfect. Sarcastic, yes. Sometimes, self-righteous in my political views, yes.
But, never perfect.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmI think it is time now to stop bashing Kay. We don’t agree entirely with her/his viewpoint and how such views are expressed, but we should not “eat” one of our own. It is distressing to think that he/she (I always thought Kay was female) will vote for McKinney in the fall and perhaps bring her/his closest friends/family along, but they will be lost votes – votes that the Democratic ticket will need. Regrettable. We should instead try to persuade Kay to have a change of heart.
Having strong principles is admirable, but won’t win the election.
As to McCain’s nasty ads, they have a library of ads ready to air no matter who it is that they would like to smear – Biden said some things in the past that he surely regrets, but the library of videos highlighting McCain’s lies, cluelessness and verbal faux pas is quite extensive.
No matter whom he chooses for VP, I expect the Dems will run ads against him/her – and so they should.
(BTW, I love the McCain/Romney choice: Depends or magic underpants.)
I prefer to see how much of a majority the Dems can gain in Congress this fall, and the strength of that alone will push Obama a little more to the left as I would prefer. But I have been around long enough to know that extremes don’t win — it must be slow and deliberate change.
Just look at how long it took for the neocons to plan for the destruction of the nation before they could finally reach this point — it will take time to also reconstruct our democracy and restore our Constitution, one step at a time.
Sorry if this seems rambling.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmHow many of the 18 million who voted for Hillary were Republicans who were voting to help her nomination so they could vote AGAINST her in November?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmI would just like to thank Obama for choosing Biden, and sticking it to all the pundits who have pushed for a southerner. After four terms in office, it will be refreshing not to have to listen to another southern, twangy drawl, discussing policies and proposals, should Obama be elected.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmKay, you keep questioning. That’s a good thing.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmWhy do I get the feeling that when McCain announces the Stepford guy none of our friends are gonna bring up any of the shit that went on in that other primary. I have so little tolerance for meatheads who can’t see their own hypocrisy. What do you think JimAK?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmBTW, I haven’t tried to persuade any of my friends to change their minds on who they are voting for (unless it’s McBush)
just to let you know…
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 pmJimAK Says:
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“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Magic underpants and Depends ; that’s religious book , man ……
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 pmMarie Says:
How many of the 18 million who voted for Hillary were Republicans who were voting to help her nomination so they could vote AGAINST her in November?
Hi Marie. This whole dust-up with Hill supporters is just political theater, for the rubes. They’re making all this noise for political concessions, should Obama be elected.
And your point is spot on.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pmAs an aside, I thought it was funny that Michael Moore had sent a letter to Caroline Kennedy to “pull a Cheney” and choose herself for Veep…
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 pmJimAK Says:
“I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.”
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It seems safe to assume you’re talking about Botch here… and I couldn’t agree more. Just lookit the mess that deluded clown-from Hell has made of every single solitary item he’s touched over the last 8 years. And now as a closing number, he’s decided to antagonize the Russians right before fleeing to the family compound in Paraguay.
Why do GOOPers hate Amercia so?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 pmKay Says:
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BTW, I haven’t tried to persuade any of my friends to change their minds on who they are voting for (unless it’s McBush)
So remind all around here how NOT voting for Obama/Biden (which IS A VOTE FOR McBotch the RePugniScum) based on a lack of excitement or enthusiasm or something for Biden and one single FISA vote is the intelligent choice for REAL CHANGE. (Obama may have voted that way to keep the issue off the table during the election in order to gain the White House and then fix the problem. Biden voted against FISA abuses and Obama picked him.)
You may not be attempting to persuade you friends to change their minds but you sure seem to be working very hard at it here with us. Why?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmKay Says:
I’ve never thought of myself as posting ‘right-wing’ talking points. I think my negativity is being misinterpreted for “reality”.
Gummitch is right, Obama is far, far less than progressive than I would like. That’s when I feel that I live in a dream world.
I certainly feel like I respect and listen to other points of view. I am sorry you don’t feel that way. I’m just really frustrated with the way of the world.
And I guess having an opposite point of view is nothing less than being a Republican Troll, which I am not.
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am
Kay, I’m sure that many of us feel like we’re living in a dream world, but most of us attribute the feeling to the past 8 years of the Bush regime ruining our country, NOT to the fact that Obama isn’t as liberal as we’d all prefer him to be. Sure, I’d have loved it if the country was ready for a real progressive like Kucinich, but that will probably never happen. We’re all frustrated with the way of the world, but we still have to deal with it. Your wish for a ‘bicycle’ as a present is unrealistic, while ’socks and underwear’ are necessary and useful. Your frustration shouldn’t make you swear off utilizing ’socks and underwear’, they’ll at least keep your feet warm and protected and keep your pants from chafing and stinking.
As an American citizen who wishes for real change, maybe you should try working for change rather than just, forgive me, whining about it.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmWhile I see the political calculation of getting a strong northeastern candidate, to draw votes away from McCain in the nominally-red states in that section of the country, it also lessens the impact of Senate democrats, after the election. It’s too late to field a strong candidate in Delaware, isn’t it? If we lose 1 Delaware Senate vote, our margin must be great enough to still give us a true majority in the Senate, or it’s a net loss for our side.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmDoes JimAK interact or just post shit?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pmYou’re so enthusiastic in the worst of it, Jim — in the worst of everyone’s suffering.
Hicks don’t win elections anymore. Why don’t you stuff a tubesock in it?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pmJane E. says,
“As an American citizen who wishes for real change, maybe you should try working for change rather than just, forgive me, whining about it.”
Thank you for that!
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmSimply giving Biden the ability to break tie Senate votes isn’t enough, if it means losing a clear majority in the Senate. Their internal campaign polling must be telling them that the dem victory in the Senate will be large enough to offset Biden’s loss, or this a potentially a large political mistake for the dems.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pmYou’re welcome, dixie. I really do understand Kay’s frustration and depression, but you either deal with reality and try to change it, or you go insane. I know, I’ve been on the edge for a long time myself.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pmBiden? <*BLEEECCCCHHH*> Beltway klatch, Washington insider. Old school. How else to say, “welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss”?
Where’s the freakin’ change?!?!?
Cheers,
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pmbarfly,
Unless I heard wrong, isn’t the governor of Delaware a Democrat? They won’t lose a seat in the Senate if they win, as both Illinois and Delware have Democratic governors, who will fill the vacated seats with Democrats. I understand that one reason Bayh might have lost out is because Indiana has a Republican governor, and that would mean a lost seat. Maybe I heard wrong. If so, I apologize, and I should pay more attention.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmJim Wilke in AK, perhaps you’d like it if McCain chose Ted Stevens as VP?
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm#11 spencers mom:
YEAH!!! Biden is going to clean McStain’s clock! Can’t wait until Obama releases his attack dog!
Typo. You misspelled “cuddly puppy” there.
Cheers,
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmI don’t believe in picking VP candidates based on upping the electoral chances of a state. Biden will a) be a strong advisor to Obama, and b) raise his electoral chances in all states by appealing to older voters.
All candidates have their weaknesses in any given policy area. The right criticizes Obama for his perceived lack of foreign policy savviness. He chose a running who fills that gap in a big way, and they’re still running their mouth.
They call Obama ‘inexperienced.’ But they’ll never tell Obama how he can get that so-called ‘experience.’ Of course not –he’s their opponent. Experience to a republican, however, is being a corporate crony before jumping into government.
Government leadership, as I said a while back, is a citizen’s job. It requires judgment more than anything else. Corporate life, the Republican’s experience of choice, doesn’t formulate good judgment for highest echelon’s of Government service.
I’m subject to disagree with Biden in one area: The presidency does lend itself to learning on the job. There is no college for future presidents.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmWayne A,
You are correct sir. The gov of Delaware is a Democrat. Here’s a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ann_Minner
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
barfly,
Unless I heard wrong, isn’t the governor of Delaware a Democrat? They won’t lose a seat in the Senate if they win, as both Illinois and Delware have Democratic governors, who will fill the vacated seats with Democrats.
Thank, Wayne. I see at least some aren’t interested in the water-balloon fight, currently taking place on this thread.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmAs somone who is not a big Obama fan, there were very few choices that would have made me take another look at him. Biden is one of them.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmBarfly,
I wouldn’t think Deleware is a Swing State. In 2004, Kerry Beat Bush 53% to 46%.
I also don’t think Obama and Biden haven’t talked about this beforehand….and they have certainly taken Biden’s Senate Seat into consideration. I’d be surprised if they don’t have a good democratic in mind, to replace Sen. Biden.
The real loss will be Sen. Biden’s seat as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmJimAK Says:
Anxiously waiting for the next book release:
The Audacity of the Same Old, Same Old
It’s more comforting to outsource the truth of your party to ours. I know, I know.
Eight years later, you have never substantiated our party to be “turrist lovin’ amurica haters.” I hope you’ve had your fun, because it’s ending.
The democratic party has been more complementary to national advancement than the Republican fraternity can ever dream.
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:59 pmHowever, Delaware will elect a new governor this year, as Gov. Minner is term-limited out.
The only projections I could find in a quick Google were a strong likelihood of Democrats retaining the statehouse.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmBadger says,
The real loss will be Sen. Biden’s seat as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
It’s no loss at all. Chris Dodd will most likely become the Chairman and if not then certainly John Kerry will be
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:02 pmRalph,
If the voters in Delaware choose a Republican governor, then Biden could resign before the current one leaves office. Also, we could kick Delaware out of the union for choosing a republican governor.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmJoe Biden on Obama and blacks in general:
Unbelievable. Obama really picked this pompous gas bag? Team Obama is being run, literally, by amateurs. Their inexperience is on parade.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pmHey, Tripplekick MMIX. That song I posted at #22 (1:15 AM) is for you, too! Enjoy!
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm“Team Obama is being run, literally, by amateurs. Their inexperience is on parade.”
Yeah, it’s too funny when they have to say “The candidate doesn’t speak for the campaign.” Oh, wait, that’s McStained-My-Pants-Again’s team.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pmSo “Everything is off-the-record until approved” is dead again? Or only for Democrats?
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:39 pmAll morning my local cable new’s(NWCN) has been running the Mcnut’s add along with the announcement of Obama picking Biden as VP….I posted a complaint of sort’s that they should give equal free advertising to Obama and maybe Nader if they were going to continue and so they changed there “new’s” blurb just now….Fair advertising for all, or none……Back to bed and more pain killer’s…P,B & J
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 pmWitch1 says:
“maybe Nader”
A vote for Nader is a vote for McBotch. Period.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
You’re welcome, dixie. I really do understand Kay’s frustration and depression, but you either deal with reality and try to change it, or you go insane. I know, I’ve been on the edge for a long time myself.
Bottom line, I don’t want to come here the morning of November 5th and join in the hand-wringing “how did it happen to us again?” pity party.
We have two, and only two, choices this November. Yes, there are 3rd party alternatives, but for all of the pricipled “I-need-to-make-a-statement” Nader voters in 2000 who gave whatever wasn’t stolen in Florida to Bush, I remind you that a McCain presidency not only continues the disasterous political climate we are now enduring, it also ensure that all of the Bush Crime Family crimes get buried, never to be found.
So whine as much and as often as you want or need to, but please just do it here. When we are out interacting with people, it really is important that we are enthusiatic and supportive of our only hope for America.
If I sound too “Susie Cream Cheese” forgive me, but there is far too much at stake this November, and I’d like to win for a change! Thanks for indulging me… I’m getting off my soapbox now.
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pmWitch1, hope the pain-killers kick in soon. Give Bear a big hug for me, and I’m sending you a big hug from Wayne and I. Take care of yourself, great lady.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pmspencers mom,
With respect, I can’t say I agree with you 100%. (And I usually agree with the things you post.) I have been trying to encourage people to stop thinking of their choices as being limited to only the Democrats or Republicans. And I’m not just talking about the White House, I’m talking about all of elected government, especially the Congress.
I already told my Congressman, John Hall, that unless he got the nomination of another party besides the Democrats, I wouldn’t vote for him. (He did, so I will.) I believe that the main problem with our government today is the Democratic and Republican Parties. (Both of them.)
So, I suggest this: If you like your Representative (or Senator if she or he is seeking re-election), and that person is running on a third party’s line, vote for them on that line. And if that candidate receives more votes as the third party candidate than as one of the two major parties, then insist that they go to Washington representing that third party. They can still vote (mostly) along the lines of the two major parties they used to represent, but they can work together as a bloc to help prevent bad legislation from getting through.
If you live in a state that will clearly go one way or the other (for president), then help third parties by voting for a different candidate. If that candidate can get (I believe it’s) 5% of the national vote, then his or her party can automatically get federal funding for the next election cycles. Then we can start seeing more third parties representing the people, instead of just the two big ones.
If you limit your choices to only Democrats and Republicans, then you limit the outcome to more of the same. That’s the way I see it.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:00 pmJimAK Says:
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Anxiously waiting for the next book release:
The Audacity of the Same Old, Same Old
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
The John McStupid Story : How I Managed to Soil Untold Numbers of Depends ……
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:07 pmJimAK Says:
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Surprise: Obama chose someone who ‘looks like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five-dollar bills,’
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As opposed to whom McDepends is going to pick , who looks like all the other mannequins in a Macy’s store window……..
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pmBack at ya Jane, Thank’s, lower back is so bad can’t sit or stand for long and the med’s aren’t working….Damn…Thank you and Wayne for your concern…Blessings
Dixie, you missed the entire point in my complaint which worked BTW…Who I vote for is my business and for my reason’s, the constitution……Like it or not, troll me if you so choose but never forget I am a bleeding heart liberal and I just stopped a G.D. new’s blitz for Mcnut’s…..Think the Nader note may have been the clincher.. So in short or long, get off my case, you all are starting to sound like the bush bunch with their crap “Your either with us or against us.”….P.B.& J
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:10 pmJimAK Says:
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I can’t wait for Biden’s new book:
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
McDepends’ new book : How Privileged Morons Become the GOP Nominee for President
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:10 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
spencers mom,
I have been trying to encourage people to stop thinking of their choices as being limited to only the Democrats or Republicans.
Wayne, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. I’m just trying to point out that this election, given the current state of our democracy and the limitations that the majority 2-party system that are today’s political reality, we need to join together and vote for Obama, not Nader et al.
I’m here in Pennsylvania, in Bucks County (Patrick Murphy country, Philly burbs) and we just went majority Dem for the first time in history. We’re as swingin’ as a swing state can be, and I want to make sure we deliver for Obama.
So agreed, just not this time, not for president.
PEACE
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:11 pmHey Sharon!! I was thinking about you last night, wondering if you were ok.
I have your email address at work, and was just about to fire you off an ‘RU OK?’ mail.
On topic, Biden makes all the sense in the world, as a complement to Obama. He’s also a tiger who won’t have any problem tearing up McIIIrd’s lack of, well, just about everything presidential…
Now if the 21% Clinton supporters still want McIIIrd, then they can just suck it up or live with the disaster their spite would cause if Obama loses.
But he isn’t going to lose. So their chances of getting their nominee into the White House are between zilch and nil.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm…says the troll who can’t even keep a log-in name active for more than two days running…
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:16 pmMcMetal, I thought McIIIrd’s next book would be
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm‘How to leave your disfigured spouse who stayed faithful during your imprisonment, cheat on her with your sl*tty millionaire next wife and become the kept man of both heiress and lobbyists”?
JimAK Says:
Surprise: Obama chose someone who ‘looks like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five-dollar bills,’
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Awwwww.. come on Jim… we all know this was just a sop for all the racists fools, like yourself, out there soiling themselves over the prospect of a black man in the white house
Good little Jim… fetch, Jimmy, fetch… oops… heh… Jim’s busy licking his own…
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 pmGreat post Wayne, I am one of the lucky one’s who can vote for a 3rd party candidate for pre’s…Not for Gove. though…Localy I will and must vote Dem….You are such a good writer, I appreciate your post’s…..Thank’s bunche’s and Blessings to you and Jane…Sorry I am so crankie today.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pmSpencers mom,
I’m from the school that you vote for who you would most want in office. While I understand your point, I don’t want to wait to change the political landscape. I don’t know who I am voting for yet as I tend to wait till all the cards are on the table before I make a choice (VP picks, who’s all going to be there in my locale).
I don’t hate McCain, Barr or Obama. If I had to vote last week it wouldn’t have been Obama, but I have alot of respect for Biden soooo, the cards are still in the air. However when it comes down to it, my vote will go for the ticket that works best for me as opposed to “Not so and so”.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:20 pmTripleKick 15 Says:
Their inexperience is on parade.
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Enough already… the Botch Admin is quite aware of what a colossal failure they are… do you need to keep rub… uh, you were talking about Botch, weren’t you?
I mean… it’s such a perfect description of him and his clown-car admin…
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pmBack at ya RUCerious,….Not having a good day, if it get’s any worse will be crawling on all four’s like Bear or off to the ER….Hope you and Your’s are fareing well….Blessings…Over and out..
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm#195:
As an American citizen who wishes for real change, maybe you should try working for change rather than just
Jane,
What are you doing to bring about concrete change in America?
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 pmbarfly Says:
I still think some are confusing you with Katy.
August 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Sorry, but Katy has NEVER supported Hillary.
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:45 pmWitch1 Says:
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Back at ya Jane, Thank’s, lower back is so bad can’t sit or stand for long and the med’s aren’t working….Damn…Thank you and Wayne for your concern…Blessings
Dixie, you missed the entire point in my complaint which worked BTW…
On who?
Who I vote for is my business and for my reason’s, the constitution……
True. And I have an opinion too!
Like it or not, troll me if you so choose but never forget I am a bleeding heart liberal[...]
“Troll me?” What does that phucking mean?
Whadda ya want a cookie for being the best bleeding heart? OK, here’s your cookie…
[...] and I just stopped a G.D. new’s blitz for Mcnut’s…
Whatever the phuchk that means?
..Think the Nader note may have been the clincher.. So in short or long, get off my case, you all are starting to sound like the bush bunch with their crap[...]
I’m not on your case. Don’t take it personal. Vote for who you want. But you are posting PUBLICLY AREN’T YOU?
[...] “Your either with us or against us.”….P.B.& J
EXACTLY…… Now you get it! It is a battle for the return of Democracy. Not, a time to spin on your thumb with platitudes and righteousness.
POLITICS AM UGLY. IT IS A BATTLE TO WIN AGAINST THE REPUGNISCUM FASCISTS. ANYTHING LESS IS BELLY BUTTON GAZING AND DROOLING!!!! NADER IS A WASTED VOTE AND A VOTE FOR MCBOTCH IN THIS POLITCAL WAR THIS YEAR!!
How about 20012 for Nader?
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pmJimAK Says:
I can’t wait for Biden’s new book:
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
Whatever are you talking about?? Sen. Biden’s Father cleaned Boilers in Scranton Pa. The only thing the Senator INHERITED was DECENT VALUES.
Sen. Biden Can strike a chord with Working class voters. And he has a very sharp Wit.
In his speech, just now in Springfield Il., he said John McCain’s concern would be “Which of his Kitchen Tables to discuss things at.” ;)
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:00 pmFirst off, Obama/Biden are going to win by a landslide. I am willing to bite my tongue and be a realist and know this is the best we are going to get come January 9th, 2009.
But, what worries me is Obama’s creeping military talk about the “good war”. Why isn’t anyone connecting the dots between the Military Economy that we are living under at the expense of the Tanking Civilian Economy?
Is Obama going to want to roll back the ‘unitary’ executive privileges that Bush has allowed his Admin to run wild with?
Is Obama going to re-investigate 9/11 and ultimately prove that Bush’s war on terror is a complete fraud on the American taxpayer?
Is Obama going to continue to the same reckless foreign policy? (The Good War in Afghanistan) Is Obama going to continue Bush’s unprecedented signing statements? Is the Obama Admin going to pursue legal charges against the Bush Admin?
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:00 pmRarely is it mentioned Obama’s saint like quality. 25, – 30 years ago, after his education, instead of searching for gainful employment, he did work for the poor in Chicago. The man followed his good heart…the basic core of his personality and an extremely rare quality I believe will be with him for life.
As Obama is for We the People and with a history of teaching constitutional law, he is the man to turn things around.
As it has been explained to me, candidates have to move to the center to win.
Some shy away from Obama because they feel he is not experienced enough, he is black, they do not trust him or what ever… Biden strengthens these areas and reinforces Obama’s good and pure qualities. After all, it took Biden 5 years to remarry after the death of his child and first wife.
My man Kucinich did not get the nomination and I got over it. I would have to be out of my mind to vote for McCain out of spite… someone the opposite of what I believe in.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pmKay Says:
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“First off, Obama/Biden are going to win by a landslide. I am willing to bite my tongue and be a realist and know this is the best we are going to get come January 9th, 2009.”
And hope begins January 10th!
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pmdixie blood Says:
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
You’re being a f ucking ass, dixie. Lay off the Witch.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:05 pmNot much chance of Nader being alive in 20012.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pmKay Says:
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“But, what worries me is Obama’s creeping military talk about the “good war”. Why isn’t anyone connecting the dots between the Military Economy that we are living under at the expense of the Tanking Civilian Economy?”
Dwight Eisenhower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Eisenhower warned us concerning the “Military Economy.” We been connecting the dots for years. Where have you been? Go read “Who Will Tell The People” by William Grieder from the 1990’s and get back to me.
“Is Obama going to want to roll back the ‘unitary’ executive privileges that Bush has allowed his Admin to run wild with?
Is Obama going to re-investigate 9/11 and ultimately prove that Bush’s war on terror is a complete fraud on the American taxpayer?”
Is Obama going to continue to[sic] the same reckless foreign policy? (The Good War in Afghanistan) Is Obama going to continue Bush’s unprecedented signing statements? Is the Obama Admin going to pursue legal charges against the Bush Admin?
Why don’t you get involved in the process and write him a letter? Or go to his web site and leave a comment or send him email?
All you do is doubt and complain!!
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmOK JimAK,
. I give up. Spell it out.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmHow about a vote for the constitution every day.? Tirade much, dixie.?..Many are running off old liberal’s with this attitude….We all don’t have a group think mentalety….Old gal’s like me helped get us to this day and may I say I am more tolerant of you than you are of me…..Eating your own work’s well for the reich, not so much with old time liberal’s….Picking apart my every word is noncence and sophmoric…..I ended a blitz add, for the first time ever….It was for the benefit of all…Fact is I still have not decided rather I will vote for Nader or Mckenna and it will not affect “your win” with Obama since I am in a very blue state..How about directing some of that hateful attitude toward’s reich instead of me, who know’s, after I’m gone maybe my one vote will help produce a realy great president who is for the constitution….Blessings
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pmJimAK Says:
Surprise: Obama chose someone who ‘looks like all the presidents on the dollar bills and the five-dollar bills,’
Vice President’s aren’t displayed on any currency, you stupid hick.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pmKay Says:
#195:
As an American citizen who wishes for real change, maybe you should try working for change rather than just
Jane,
What are you doing to bring about concrete change in America?
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Aside from emailing my reps, signing petitions, participating in our local monthly Peace March since its inception in 2007 (and this was a real bit of progress in a town which, until the last elections, was overwhelmingly Republican), volunteering for the election of the first Democratic Congressman from our district in DECADES, um, I don’t know, not much. Health problems have limited me a bit lately.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pmZooey Says:
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dixie blood Says:
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
You’re being a f ucking ass, dixie. Lay off the Witch.
I said a vote for Nader was a vote for McBotch and she laid into to me broadside. Read my original post and then get back to me!!
What am I supposed to do? Roll over and beg?
BTW, I have severe arthritis in my lower spine and both hips so should I play my sympathy card here just like her?
This is a political web site. Not a “Little House On The Prarie” website.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pmI am willing to bite my tongue and be a realist and know this is the best we are going to get come January 9th, 2009.
Or January 20th, when President Obama and Vice President Biden are sworn in.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pmMcCain/Fried Squirrel 2008!
Jes lettle take carreh theem defeetocrats.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pm#243 – So Iraq War and Patriot Act = Decent Values?
More Decent Values:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
Biden Law of 1994 created several new capital offenses.
Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba.
Would consider a Republican for head of DHS or Pentagon.
Universal national service, in military or Peace Corps. (draft)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act.
Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels.
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP.
Missile defense is perfect metaphor for neo-isolationism. (wait, what?)
Insulted Indian-Americans in attempt to compliment vibrancy.
Apologized for saying Barack Obama was clean and articulate.
Embellishment forced withdrawal from 1988 presidential race.
Knocked out of 1988 race due to plagiarizing a speech.
Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt.
Leaving Iraq will cause generation-long regional war.
It’s already US policy to go into Pakistan to get al Qaeda.
Voted for Iraq War resolution to avoid war in Iraq. (Huh?)
1995: pushed Clinton to bomb Serbia to free Kosovo.
We can’t just pull out.
Never de-fund war in Iraq.
Fund the war till 67 anti-war votes reached.
There will be a residual force left in Iraq.
In 2002 Saddam posed a threat of purchasing a nuclear bomb.
Partitioning Iraq is inevitable, as shown by history.
Decentralize Iraqi government; local control over daily life.
Biden-Gelb plan: UN & Muslim powers to enforce Iraq unity. (wait, what?)
Voted for Iraq war in 2002, but now a war critic.
Biden: If you don’t like his values, he has others.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm…I ended a blitz add, for the first time ever…
Witch1, I forgot to say Congratulations, well done.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:29 pmdixie blood Says:
This is a political web site. Not a “Little House On The Prarie” website.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Yep. Still being an ass….
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pmI’ll try to have it both ways here. First, I’ll apologize to Kay that I became too defensive. What I don’t want to do is participate in making anyone feel unwelcome. Second, I won’t turn back the concerns of Fred and others that he may have been too condescending.
But you know what, if we were too afraid to lock horns with eachother to make sure all of our concerns were vetted, we’d be redstateTP.org, having our talking points fed to us and unleashing all-out praise or uniform disagreement only, in fear of being banned.
And Witch, I hold you in highest regards here at TP.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm#250:
Why don’t you get involved in the process and write him a letter? Or go to his web site and leave a comment or send him email?
How do you know I haven’t done so…
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pmKay,
It just sounded like you didn’t. If you did then good for you.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pmAlejandro,
I thank you for the link. The “On the issues” website is very informative…and is now included in my “Favorites” file under Reference. I do think your Litany was a bit selective.
One Main reason that Sen. Obama is a candidate for President, while Sen. Biden is his pick for vice President…is the same reason that Only JFK was elected president from the Senate in recent history…Namely a short Senate Career with a Short Voting record.
Sen. Biden is the Fourth longest serving Senator, His votes go back to 1972.
So let me ammend my comments. Joe Biden is a Senator, not a Saint. Sen. Biden Inherited MANY DECENT VALUES from his Father.
And I still don’t Understand JimAK’s subtle point..about Race and Inheritance.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm#250 & 262….I did, over and over to no avail and with no response…I was on a group of my local bunch and many like me were royaly pissed with the lack of response during the FISA vote….The day I droped his site I got 236 email’s from other’s in my area that were as upset as I was…The computer and I just could not handle it….Still can’t…
Thank’s McWars the feeling’s are mutual….
Thank’s Jane, first time ever and it worked…Glad to see that damn add off my local new’s..
We all do what we can, when we can and when we can’t someone else has to take the helm…..Blessings all and Thank’s for your support and concern.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pmSen. Joe Biden on Authorizing War on Iraq
Joe Biden in His Own Words, Oct. 10-11, 2002
“The point about whether or not there needs to be an imminent threat to justify the President taking action is what is at stake. I am of the school that suggests the President need not, if the underlying amendment passes, have to show there is an imminent threat. He is enforcing a peace agreement in effect. He is enforcing, not preempting. And he is not responding to imminent threat.”
“What we have here, I argue, as the rationale for going after Saddam, is that he signed a cease-fire agreement. The condition for his continuing in power was the elimination of his weapons of mass destruction, and the permission to have inspectors in to make sure he had eliminated them. He expelled those inspectors. So he violated the cease-fire; ergo, we have authority–not under a doctrine of preemption. This will not be a preemptive strike, if we go with the rest of the world. It will be an enforcement strike.”
“The reason I oppose the amendment of my friend from Michigan (Levin) is because the basic premise upon which I began is consistent with where my friend from Connecticut (Lieberman) began, and that is the threat need not be imminent for us to take action. That is because we would be enforcing Security Council resolutions. That is authority we are about to delegate to the President.”
“The bottom line was, the Senator from Arizona (McCain) and I felt strongly we had to go. We had to move. Were the Serbs an imminent threat to the United States of America? No. Was it a threat to our security interests? Yes. The stabilization of southeastern Europe. And so I think part of the thing that confuses people here–anyone listening to the debate, myself included, as part of the debate–is this notion of the place from which you began.”
On Sen. Robert C. Byrd’s Opposition to Delegating Authority to Bush
“The part on which I do empathize with my friend from West Virginia is this is not a very clearly written piece of work. That is why I think Senator Lugar and myself and others had a better way of doing this. But it does incorporate with the President’s words the notion that we are operating relative to weapons of mass destruction and U.S. security interests and enforcement–not preemption.”
I am opposed to the Byrd amendment, but I hope we don’t establish some totally new doctrine in our opposition to it.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:25 pmAt comment #222 I said,
“dixie blood Says:
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Witch1 says:
“maybe Nader”
A vote for Nader is a vote for McBotch. Period.
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And this is the reply:
Dixie, you missed the entire point in my complaint which worked BTW…Who I vote for is my business and for my reason’s, the constitution……Like it or not, troll me if you so choose but never forget I am a bleeding heart liberal and I just stopped a G.D. new’s blitz for Mcnut’s…..Think the Nader note may have been the clincher.. So in short or long, get off my case, you all are starting to sound like the bush bunch with their crap “Your either with us or against us.”….P.B.& J
That’s a scolding beyond the pale for my orginal commnet. Period.
Now I ask. Who started what here?
Anybody else want to start a fight here over support for Nader. “Bring it on!!!!!”
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:27 pmAlejandro Says:
Quoting Sen. Biden…
“The bottom line was, the Senator from Arizona (McCain) and I felt strongly we had to go. We had to move.
I think the Bush Administration forced the Inspectors out of Iraq Prematurely…and that they deliberately engaged in a Deceptive Propaganda Campaign to MISLEAD the American People and Stampede the Senate into giving him the Authority to Attack Iraq.
I believe a thorough INVESTIGATION of the events leading up to the Iraq War would Validate my position.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:39 pmI think that a herd of large rabbid elephants forced the Inspectors out of Iraq Prematurely…and that they deliberately engaged in a Deceptive Propaganda Campaign to MISLEAD the American People and Stampede the Senate into giving him the Authority to Attack Iraq.
I believe a thorough INVESTIGATION of the events leading up to the Iraq War would Validate my position.
August 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 pmspencers mom said:
Face it, the GOP has gone so far right that today’s moderate Democrats are what used to be considered moderate Republicans.
That, in a nutshell, is the problem with moderates and centrists (understand I’m not saying thay you do or don’t fit in here). Their entire outlook is based not on reasoned positions and values but rather on where the perceived center of the political continuim is. So, the further to the right Republicans go, so go the moderates. In fact, standing up for the constitution and the rule of law is now considered radical.
This is my problem with Obama, trying to play the middle is a fool’s game and probably has much to do with his vanishing lead in the polls despite the fact that in general, people are fed up and disgusted with the Republicans. This race that is now in a dead heat should have been a walk over for the Democrats.
I’m not suggesting that Obama shouldn’t get our support, as I’ve said before, defeating McCain is paramount but if we continue to look for the moderate Democrats to save this country we’re going to be severely disappointed.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 pmBiden is a great pick to be Obama’s running mate.
Since Sen. Biden has been a public servant since 1972, and was in office during the impeachment proceedings against the criminal Richard Nixon, there is a much better chance with Biden as vice president, that starting early next year, an Obama presidency might actually conduct comprehensive investigations into all the criminal acts committed by the outgoing criminal Bush/Cheney administration, delving deeply into all that the criminal Bush/Cheney administration has tried to keep hidden from American citizens and the world.
The thing to remember is that a John McCain presidency will just mean more of the same in the conservative-controlled executive branch, with many of the criminal conservatives put in place by the criminals Bush and Cheney remaining in their positions…while an Obama/Biden administration will mean a complete changing of the guard in the executive branch and throughout our federal agencies. Can you imagine actually having someone heading one of our federal agencies who represents “We The People” and the rule of law, who will actually tell the truth, and order all federal employees under them to tell the truth to “We The People”???
This is what is at stake…along with the very survival of our liberal democracy.
The criminal, fascist activities of the Bush/Cheney administration have not only been an embarrassment for the tradition Republican Party (although not the party of Nixon branch), but has been a disaster for our democracy.
An Obama/Biden administration is needed to reverse and undo the damage done to our society and the world by the Fascist Republicans. But we first have to find out how extensive the damage done really is. This will require a thorough investigation of all the Fascist Republicans slithering out of office in January 2009. A damage assessment must be made. And with Joe Biden as vice president, I believe that this will happen, even over the objections of the DINO advisers to Barack Obama, who seem to be advising the opposite.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmTundra,
Large Rabbid elephants have little use for OIL, and weren’t running for Reelection in 2004.
I believe that Saddam, despite his previous recalcitrance, WAS COOPERATING with the Inspectors, who were NOT FINDING the Stockpiles of WMD even though Rumsfeld KNEW where they Were.
And these Inspectors were not forced out by Saddam, but by the Impending Premature Military Attack of the Bush Administration.
As to my assertion about the Deceptive Propaganda Campaign…who were the Four Experts who TOLD ABC News that the Anthrax samples mailed to Senators Contained Bentonite, a signature chemical of Saddam’s WMD program, when NO Bentonite was ever found..totally fictitious just like Saddam’s Stockpiles of WMDs?
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmI’m neither a liberal or progressive. I’m an old fashioned moderate. I couldn’t begin to name the times I’ve voted for a candidate despite the party platform. This election will be the first time I’ve voted a “straight ticket”.
Federal, state and local, I will vote Dem or leave blank. And it would take completely immoral idiots from both parties to make me leave it blank.
I haven’t “moved left”. I merely recognize the fact that our federal government has been seized by a gang of criminals and the Dems are the only tool available to try and stop the rot.
Do I wish that there were a way to reclaim our government with third parties and outsiders? Of course. But, this is a brute force struggle and the little fish, for the foreseeable future, will need to be content to follow the school.
The way I see it, the only way to answer our national emergencies is to give a Democratic President a “super-majority” and a mandate to act, even if the actions are not ideal.
There is really only one issue in this election. Accountability. The GOP, for whatever reasons, has placed the party’s elite above the country, the Constitution, and the Law. And, for that reason alone, I would be delighted to vote for every half-way respectable Democrat in the country.
That’s how I’ve decided to view the upcoming election. I don’t expect fundamental changes in how our government is designed. I merely expect our next generation of elected officials to respect the fact that THEY are accountable to US!
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:08 pmJimAK Says:
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
So….would you like us to quote some dumb things your guy has said? Unfortunately we don’t have the time or space, since there are so many of them.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:17 pmTundra Says:
I think that a herd of large rabbid elephants forced the Inspectors out of Iraq Prematurely…and that they deliberately engaged in a Deceptive Propaganda Campaign to MISLEAD the American People and Stampede the Senate into giving him the Authority to Attack Iraq.
I believe a thorough INVESTIGATION of the events leading up to the Iraq War would Validate my position.
A complete and thorough investigation of the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq will show that the Bush Crime Family lied and manipulated the evidence from the start.
I am hoping that Obama’s choice of Biden as a running mate is an indication that he is going to go after the Bush Crime Family once he takes office.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pmI have heard people (like Dubya) say that Saddam kicked out the inspectors in 1998. This is totally false. We told them to get out because we wanted to bomb the sites again. I have not heard anyone claim that Saddam ordered them out in 2003. We again ordered them out because we wanted to begin the invasion. Some Dems may have voted to give Bush authority because they were foolish enough to believe he would truly go through the UN or they believed some of the 935 lies given by the White House.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:25 pmBilbo says:
“I am hoping that Obama’s choice of Biden as a running mate is an indication that he is going to go after the Bush Crime Family once he takes office.”
And me 3. It’s a good sign.
August 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pmKeith, that’s a good, succinct summary.
August 23rd, 2008 at 7:12 pmI can just see McSenile using footage in a future (if not already airing) of Biden saying Obama isn’t ready to be president from a past debate.
There may be a risk there. However, if McNumbNuts selects Mittens Romney as his running-mate, he wouldn’t dare cast the first stone.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 pmtom Says:
I can just see McSenile using footage in a future (if not already airing) of Biden saying Obama isn’t ready to be president from a past debate.
There may be a risk there. However, if McNumbNuts selects Mittens Romney as his running-mate, he wouldn’t dare cast the first stone.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Plus. All that Biden has to say is, “with me on board, Obama has all the experience he needs”. Problem solved.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:14 pmAll Biden has to say is how much better Obama is now than at the start of the campaign, and how disappointed he is with McSame for selling out on his principles to get the right-wing vote.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pmPlus. All that Biden has to say is, “with me on board, Obama has all the experience he needs”. Problem solved.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Oops! He already did.
“That’s why I’m here”.
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 pmJoe Biden
“I am a Zionist,” stated Senator Biden. “You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”
http://www.erichufschmid.net/ TFC/ Shalom-interview-Senator-Biden.html
August 24th, 2008 at 12:26 amJimAK Says:
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
That’s right “clean” as in more than your corrupted chimpy, mcchimpy et al.
Sen. Obama is one cool, clean man.
Say that about your clowns jim.
August 24th, 2008 at 12:31 amjimbo, you chronic bedwetter. Are you equating plagiarism to wars, a fail economy, high gas and oil, more wars and with Russia no less?
If that’s all you have…
GTFOOH
August 24th, 2008 at 12:58 amKay said: “But I do think Hillary with her 18M votes would hve helped Obama — more.”
This notion that Hillary’s 18M votes in the primary will not be added to Obama’s column in the general is absurd and illogical. This is the illogical conclusion that has been arrived upon: Biden had almost no votes while Hillary had 18M; therefore, if Biden is VP then he will garner no votes for Obama. Really?
This has turned into a sour grapes festival. Clinton supporters (and right-wing detractors) weren’t satisfied in the primary, and they didn’t get to see her as VP either. So, there were losers on both sides: Hillary supporters, and the right-wingers who don’t have somebody to make fun of for the next 4-8 years. But, the Democratic party has won with the Obama-Biden ticket.
Hillary’s 18M votes is a right-wing talking point. Let’s leave it on the floor where it belongs.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:45 amcaption contest: “Say, isn’t that Bill and Hillary in the back with the pitchfork and torch?”
August 24th, 2008 at 10:51 amLying about Georgia-Russia conflict:
http://www.politico.com/ blogs/ thecrypt/ 0….to_Georgia.html
August 24th, 2008 at 10:53 amSorry, direct link to last post:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/Biden_calls_for_1_billion_in_emergency_aid_to_Georgia.html
August 24th, 2008 at 11:56 amDirect Link to Zionist quote:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Shalom-interview-Senator-Biden.html
August 24th, 2008 at 11:58 amAugust 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hey, TP, WTF?
This is the second comment I’ve posted that has disappeared between my computer and your comment thread.
August 24th, 2008 at 12:01 pmRalph, one of my posts that criticized Biden disappeared. Now, the going theory in the street is the Left never censors, so it has to be a server glitch.
Right??
Anybody care to comment on Zionist/Military-Industrial Complex control of Left and Right Media, especially the recent bombarding and slaughtering of innocent South Ossetians by Georgia, which in perfect Bizarro World Logic, was flipped?
August 24th, 2008 at 12:13 pmBetrayal:
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5492
August 24th, 2008 at 7:06 pm