80 percent says United States is on the wrong track.
By on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am
80 percent says United States is on the wrong track.
A new USA Today/Gallup poll finds, “Eight in 10 say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the USA, and even more rate the economy as ‘only fair’ or poor. Seven in 10 say it’s getting worse.”
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Americans deserve what they get.
They elected a war-mongering retard – twice!
August 25th, 2008 at 10:09 amYet somehow, the Village Idiot is proud of himself.
WHAT AN DESPICABLE LOSER.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:10 amAnd on November 4th, I wonder how many of that 80% will fall back on habit and base their vote on abortions and gay marriage.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:10 amBut will those 80% vote against the war-mongering McCain? Don’t hold your breath — particularly when the MSM is doing all they can to see that he gets elected.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:10 amThey are even running his attack ads against Obama/Biden for free – as part of their delivering the “news.”
80 percent says United States is on the wrong track.
Then why are any of them even considering voting for McBane?
August 25th, 2008 at 10:14 amThe country got on the wrong track in 2000, via partisan party hacks in black robes. the country then derailed in 2001.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:15 am9 out of 10 Americans wouldn’t change the TV channel if they had to actually get up off the couch.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:16 amI am with the 80%. The Republicans have been a disaster of Bibical proportions.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:17 am#1 – ctcadguy Says:
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“Americans deserve what they get.
They elected a war-mongering retard – twice!”
August 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
That is incorrect. In 2000, the majority of Americans voted for VPres. Gore. It was the Supreme Court that “selected” then-Gov. Bush over the actual winner.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:17 amPopular vote doesn’t win elections, the stupid electoral college decides that. (except when the supreme court wants to annoint a dry-drunk boy king)
August 25th, 2008 at 10:20 amI just wanted to jump in here to point out how easy it is to misinterpret this statistic. Somebody, for instance, could answer “wrong track” because they think Obama is going to win, others because they think McCain is going to win. Christian zealots, as another instance, could think we’re on the “wrong track” because of rampant secularization, etc., etc.
It ends up being a fairly meaningless statistic. It certainly doesn’t mean 80% of us are sick of Republicans! If only that were the case!
August 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amWouldn’t you expect, then, a double digit lead by the ‘non-incumbent’ party? Do people really think McSame is just the guy to fix all the problems caused by rebublicans? Or is it one of those, ‘even though the rebubs have been in power, it’s all the democrats’ fault? Something doesn’t jive here.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:25 amBut then how is McCain still in the running? How come he leads on international affairs and national security?
No, Obama has to draw the character and ethical distinctions as well as his close ties to Bush. I just do not see that being done clearly in Ohio. It is time to do a series of character defining ads on McCain. McCain has used Rezko to fight back against the seven houses. Obama should seize it.
Go on the air with an ad by a 527 that nails McCain for the slime ball that he is. Start with Keating 5 and bring it up to date with his DHL, lobbyists on staff and his chief foreign policy adviser being on the pay of Georgia. Question his ethics and honesty. Get a loop of a former Republican supporter stating that this is not the same maverick that they knew.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:28 amThe general election is a dead heat my ass.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:30 am“But then how is McCain still in the running?”
because it’s still summer/pre-labor day.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:32 amOnce again the MSM is in league with the Republicans. They’ve reported a much higher percentage of negative Obama stories than of McCain. Not a fan of Malcom X, but he spoke the truth with these words: “The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”
August 25th, 2008 at 10:35 amBut many will still vote for McBush unless Obama takes the gloves off and gets to work!
August 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amBut, if the polls are any measure of anything, 30% of those 80% prefer to misery of the known wrong path to the unknown path of change.
The Terrified States of America is becoming all too predictable.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:50 amAt the beginning of 2006 USA Today reported this:
Said the country has gotten off track: By 62%-35%, they were dissatisfied with the way things are going in the USA.
Six in 10 said the current economy was only fair or poor, and 54% said economic conditions were getting worse.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-26-bush-sotu-cover_x.htm
Today, “Eight in 10 say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the USA, and even more rate the economy as “only fair” or poor. Seven in 10 say it’s getting worse.”
So from 60% to 80% in a year and a half, that’s pretty impressive.
54% said getting worse in 2006, now 60% say getting worse in 2008.
Now here’s a notable note buried at the bottom of the USA Today’s current article:
A majority say his [McCain’s] policies as president would mostly benefit the wealthy. Four in 10 worry McCain is too old to be president — he’ll turn 72 on Friday — and 66% say they’re concerned he’ll pursue President Bush’s course. That includes 64% of independents and 35% of Republicans.
The majority of independents vote GOP. Presumably fewer voted that way in the 2006 mid terms. Now things are much worse and it’s a presidential election of course.
The MSM is making this race about personalities, as usual, and covering the politics and not the policies. The pollsters make sure to include plenty of personality questions to keep the horse race exciting and vacuous, and it is on those questions that they choose to report.
But in the end and once again, it’s the ECONOMY, stupid!
August 25th, 2008 at 10:55 amHmmm, Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid told us to elect a Democratically controlled congress and all would be peaches and cream (you remember her promise of lowering the gas prices, right?)
So now Congressional approval rating is the lowest in 14 years (which was another D-controlled congress), yet it’s all the fault of the Republicans? Do you also check under your bed every night for the boogeyman?
August 25th, 2008 at 10:56 amBut I don’t see America as having problems. By the way, don’t my blinders look cool.. hehe?
John McCain ‘08
August 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amFinish her off!
The main reason in a nutshell: this country was hijacked by a PNAC plan which was hatched prior to the Bush admin. On 9/11 this neoCON coup created a false-flag attack on our country. Hence, they created this phony war on terror. Our Civil Liberties have been curtailed in the process (Patriot Act, Miltary Commisssions Act, FISA 2008 Amendment Act etc) We illegally invaded 2 countrys. This blood-soaked xenophobic catastrphy has basically ruined our Civilian Economy. We are now living under a Military Economy. The only “surge” Americans are seeing is a “surge” in consumer prices, gas prices, home foreclosures.
I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel right now. People have a right to see things as bleak, because they damn well are. The only ones raking in the dough are the Military and their cohorts in crime : Blackwater USA, KBR etc., Until the cost of these Criminal Military Adventures are tied in with our tanking economy/infrastructure it’s only going to get a whole lot worse.
August 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amDaleWuss says:
Nothing really. Just bringing about old talking points from the right. I will completely ignore the fact that the reason Congress approval ratings are so low is because of the record filibustering from the (R)’s, and that the Democrats in general have a higher rating than the Republicans.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amThat, and it’s not truly a “D-controlled congress”.
But, I hope that I grabbed you attention and diverted it from the topic of the thread.
This election is the democrats and obama’s to lose , having caved in on FISA despite promises made as a contender for the presidential nomination have alienated many on the left ,present company included !
August 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amThe congress, under the democrats has done ZERO to reign in the wholesale destruction of the US constitution , violations of basic civil and human rights or stop this illegal war .
Not very inspiring !
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed may well have evened out the playing field for their (supposed)republican opponents .Only the fringe libertarian republicans even bother addressing the issues of Habeas corpus , signing statements ,or our history of toppling other countries governments .
The democratic leadership is perceived and for good reasons as doing nothing to stand up to the neo cons treasonous coup !Is this to be no more than a vote for the lesser of 2 evils election !
Good luck with that .
Pat Bucanan has done a better job of exposing neo conservative criminality in the last week than the entire democratic party has in the last 2 years !
August 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amnancy aint runnin. Your perception is your own. I don’t see it that way at all.
Although dems have not been able to change many of the evil things done by the gop you can’t lay the blame for the crime at their feet. Nice try though.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:11 amFor those who like to discount polls, I agree the telephone polls can be skewed. For example, telephone polls are restricted by law to land lines only. As we all know, many people do not have a land line, and only have cell phones. I am one of them, and I know many. Regarding the latest poll on CNN stating Obama and McCain are in a dead heat, well, that only includes people with land lines. The people with cell phones-only were not reached. Think about who would have a cell phone-only and not a land line. People who are low income, people who are young, well you get the picture.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:12 amthat’s because the networks think it’s ok to give buchanan a platform to say those things. if someone had a perceived leaning to the left and said the same things, the right would howl “liberal media! liberal media!”
August 25th, 2008 at 11:16 amNancy Pelosi is in my opinion is the most disappointing political figures in my lifetime.
All the federal crimes this Admin have committed over the past year and not a single motion toward impeachment!
I hope NP loses her seat in Nov. to Cindy Sheehan. Although unlikely. NP is very powerful. But, at the end of the day her allegience is toward Big Corporations, Big Oil etc. not the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
Knowing the Bush lied getting us into Iraq alone is enough for impeachment.
But BushCo wiretapped ol’Nance and the dirt must be a mile high. So no impeachment.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:19 amNancy Pelosi is in my opinion is the most disappointing political figures in my lifetime.
All the federal crimes this Admin have committed over the past year and not a single motion toward impeachment!
I hope NP loses her seat in Nov. to Cindy Sheehan. Although unlikely. NP is very powerful. But, at the end of the day her allegience is toward Big Corporations, Big Oil etc. not the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
Knowing the Bush lied getting us into Iraq alone is enough for impeachment.
But BushCo wiretapped ol’Nance and the dirt must be a mile high. So no impeachment.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:19 amsorry about the double post.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:19 amI meant to say : NP is one of the most disappointing political figures in my lifetime…
August 25th, 2008 at 11:20 amIf McIIIrd = Bush and Bush = effing disaster then
August 25th, 2008 at 11:21 amMcIIIrd = enormous effing disaster.
I do too.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:22 amThat may not be enough to save her this time. Whether people like it or not the political winds of change are blowing. I thought nancy was retiring anyway, am I mistaken?
I never hear the liberal media talk about how if unemployment was calculated using the method of 9 years ago, it would be over 13%. Of course there is a new and improved method to calculate unemployment nowadays.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:22 amI’m not hip on cell phone polling law ForTruth, but the Obama campaign’s bulk text message was sheer genius. The Democratic Party now has a large base of cell phone numbers. If there is a way to use this database for polling it could change the future of these antiquated polls to include cell phone users. Even if the list can’t directly be used for polling, it will be invaluable to the party to be able to reach this long ignored demographic.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:23 amOOPS!
All the federal crimes this Admin have committed over the past year
August 25th, 2008 at 11:25 amI meant 8 years!!!!!!
Fred ,
August 25th, 2008 at 11:27 amfacts speak for themselves ,but it seems to me that a general strike or a SERIOUS boycott of oil for a day , before the Nov elections would go along way toward getting the attention of our corporate overlords .
The 2 party system is bought and paid for . Don’t get me wrong ,I’ll vote for your guy in Nov. and will advocate to others to do the same but the FISA vote reveals just what we’ll be getting for our money !Obama’s not even been elected yet and he has broken an oath which may well have helped him win the nomination in the first place , to filibuster any FISA bill with retroactive immunity !
Admittedly A McCain presidency would be far worse and probably lead to the next world war .But I will not give the democrats a free pass either , they have abandoned their oath to protect the Constitution as well !
Regarding polls and land lines. I’m neither low income nor young (turning 61 this year) and haven’t had a land line for well over two years. Another little tidbit. I used to participate in Zogby on-line polls. Then they stopped coming. I signed up again, but this time, I had to fill in a questionnaire that included political affiliation and other basic ideological, educational, religious, financial issues, etc. (Did not have to do this the first time I signed up). Lo and behold! I still have never received a single request to participate in an on-line poll. What’s that tell you? Was it my self-designation as “liberal,” or that I didn’t consider myself an evangelical Christian, or aren’t a NASCAR fan? Did I have too much education…or not enough? Too high or too low an income?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am80 percent says United States is on the wrong track.
And the 20% who say we’re on the right track , believe unicorns and leprechauns pal around like dinosaurs and man did , 6,000 years ago………..
August 25th, 2008 at 11:29 amWait until more people lose their employer sponsored health insurance, their house, or their car…
August 25th, 2008 at 11:30 amWhoops I was talking about inflation in my post, not unemployment. If we used the method of 9 years ago to calculate inflation, it would be over 13%.
BTW we all know the Bush admin changed the method to calculate unemployment as well.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:31 amGigi, exactly HOW does the quote you pulled relate to the reality that 80% of this nation believe we’re headed in the wrong direction?
I know you’re desperate to change the subject but, really, that’s a little too lame and transparent, even for you.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:33 amWhen the country is confused and in chaos ,loyal ministers appear . Tao Te Ching
August 25th, 2008 at 11:34 amBob Barr and Pat Bucanan ?
If this really were a Democracy: Cynthia McKinney would have been invited to the debates during the primaries.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:34 amKay Says:
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If this really were a Democracy: Cynthia McKinney would have been invited to the debates during the primaries.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:34 am
To make security crews and local cops nervous ?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:35 amfrom NYT, 12/07:
“So far in this first year of the 110th Congress, there have been 72 motions to stop filibusters, most on the Iraq war but also on routine issues like reauthorizing Amtrak funding. There were 68 such motions in the full two years of the previous Congress, 53 in 1987-88 and 23 in 1977-78. In 1967-68, there were 5 such votes, one of them on a plan to amend cloture itself, which failed.
For policy making, this is the legislative equivalent of gum on a shoe.
It has produced a numbing cycle of Washington futility: House Democrats pass a bill, but Senate Democrats, facing a filibuster by the Republican minority, fail to get the 60 votes needed to end debate. Little wonder that approval ratings of Congress stink these days.”
August 25th, 2008 at 11:36 amBut, we are living in a Elected Oligarchy.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:36 amUh DRxJ, do you have any data to back up your claim on clotures? or is it just something that Reid or Pelosi has said? Check out the Library of Congress’ Congressional Research Service to see what *they* have to say… or check into CQ Today; they report that Republicans are invoking cloture no more than Dems have in the past.
Of course, you *could* just believe what Reid says, and the heck with checking/providing facts.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:37 amThe democrats need to show a little moral fortitude and explain to the Public what we all know has been going on for years or they risk making themselves appear irrelevant !
August 25th, 2008 at 11:38 amPeople only start to speak up when they get whacked in their pocketbooks. Americans elected a moron president not once, but twice. He can barely utter a complete sentence and then the electorate is shocked when he runs the country into the ground?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:38 amWTF??
Sorry, Dale, your party is headed for a big loss. It’s only natural given your failures. Back to tinkering with the Nascar collection, eh?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:39 amTo make security crews and local cops nervous ?
Oh. I get it. She honors the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. How silly of me.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:39 amNascar? Really? That’s the best you could come up with?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:45 amIt’s just business as usual in the Nov. elections . Ralph Nader stole Liebermans chances of becoming the next president of the United States 8 years ago and John Kerry was a bonesman in the same year that W was .
August 25th, 2008 at 11:45 amFred I’m not that naive.
Kay Says:
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To make security crews and local cops nervous ?
Oh. I get it. She honors the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. How silly of me.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Standing up and contesting electoral votes because of irregularities during election day , like Stephanie Tubbs Jones did , is how you honor the Constitution and the Bill of Rights ; not taking a swing at law enforcement(types) who are simply doing their job………
August 25th, 2008 at 11:49 amfrom McClatchy, 7/07:
“This year Senate Republicans are threatening filibusters to block more legislation than ever before”
here’s a pretty graph:
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/07/20/16/317-20070720-FILIBUSTERS.small.prod_affiliate.91.jpg
August 25th, 2008 at 11:50 amNascar? Really? That’s the best you could come up with?
Perfect fit for a neonut. It’s the best you could come up with for a hobby.
At least you’re smart enough to know you’re losing big time, and not challenge my whole statement.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:51 amOnly 2 senators read the patriot act before voting on it !
August 25th, 2008 at 11:52 amDaleW Says:
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Of course, you *could* just believe what Reid says, and the heck with checking/providing facts.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Which is the extreme opposite end of the spectrum of you GOP/Chimpy sycophant suckholes , who are predisposed to questioning everything spewed forth from the lying lips of your party members…………..
August 25th, 2008 at 11:52 amA new USA Today/Gallup poll finds, “Eight in 10 say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the USA, and even more rate the economy as ‘only fair’ or poor. Seven in 10 say it’s getting worse.”
And yet McCain, who admits he’s in favor of doing more of the same, has an even chance at winning the presidency.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 25th, 2008 at 11:53 amDale, I believe DRxJ mentioned “record filibustering” correct?
And you asked for back up?
So far in this first year of the 110th Congress, there have been 72 motions to stop filibusters, most on the Iraq war but also on routine issues like reauthorizing Amtrak funding. There were 68 such motions in the full two years of the previous Congress, 53 in 1987-88 and 23 in 1977-78. In 1967-68, there were 5 such votes, one of them on a plan to amend cloture itself, which failed.
For policy making, this is the legislative equivalent of gum on a shoe.
It has produced a numbing cycle of Washington futility: House Democrats pass a bill, but Senate Democrats, facing a filibuster by the Republican minority, fail to get the 60 votes needed to end debate. Little wonder that approval ratings of Congress stink these days.
I find it intersting that you demand back up from DRxJ, then you go on to make a claim about CQ but fail to include a link.
And you ignored DRxJ’s point that Congressional Dems have a far higher approval rating than Republicans. The latest Harris poll finds them statistcially even, but the most recent Research 2000 poll had Democrats at 29% and Republicans polling at 18%
Is that enough back up for ya?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:55 amKay Says:
But, we are living in a Elected Oligarchy.
Good morning, Kay.
I would submit we are living in an ‘Erected Oilgarchy’…
August 25th, 2008 at 11:56 amErected Oilgarchy’…
brought to you by DieBold…
August 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pmno no an unerected oilagarchy .
August 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pmGigi, the NYTimes finds a different picture than USA Today does regarding the disposition of Clinton delegates at the convention:
More than half of the delegates that Mrs. Clinton won in the primaries now say they are enthusiastic supporters of Mr. Obama, and they also believe he will win the presidential election in November, the poll found. Three in 10 say they support Mr. Obama but have reservations about him or they support him only because he is the party’s nominee. Five percent say they do not support him yet.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:06 pmZimzone Says:
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Kay Says:
But, we are living in a Elected Oligarchy.
Good morning, Kay.
I would submit we are living in an ‘Erected Oilgarchy’…
August 25th, 2008 at 11:56 am
“Erected” ?
Brought to you by Viagra and Cialis ………..
August 25th, 2008 at 12:08 pmDaleW Says:
I am with the 80%. The Republicans have been a disaster of Bibical proportions.
Hmmm, Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid told us to elect a Democratically controlled congress and all would be peaches and cream (you remember her promise of lowering the gas prices, right?)
So now Congressional approval rating is the lowest in 14 years (which was another D-controlled congress), yet it’s all the fault of the Republicans? Do you also check under your bed every night for the boogeyman?
What exactly have the Republicans, who for the last 8 years have controlled the Executive branch AND expanded its powers, accomplished? What is your point really?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pmcha cha cha: I didn’t see your comment quoting the NYT when I posted mine. Good job.
and Gigi, I know there’s a difference between “supporters” and “delegates to the convention” but it looks to me like the Clinton rebellion you would love to see happen (and you love to use as a faux-distraction) is fairly overblown.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWell, I don’t know. If you think people voting for change are going to continue to follow the gop blindly with gas prices, health care costs, milk, eggs, butter, etc prices soaring and oil companies pockets bursting with profits, wages stagnant, inflation soaring, unemployment contantly increasing, maybe you are.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pmThere is as much chance of my voting for Mc cain as of hell freezing over Fred .Aren’t you reading my posts.I’ll vote most likely for the lesser of 2 evil again (dem.) , then if they win in Nov , which I sincerely hope they do I’ll spend all my energy attempting to hold their feet to the fire.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:27 pmWe know how Obama feels about my being spied on , so whats his take on signing statements ?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:29 pmI will too, in November. Right now I am focused on getting rid of the repuplicans.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pmfrom the nation :
Just imagine if one of the leading candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination endorsed this radical agenda:
• End the use of military commissions to prosecute crimes.
• Prohibit the use of secret evidence or evidence obtained by torture.
• Prohibit the detention of American citizens as enemy combatants without proof.
• Restore habeas corpus for alleged alien combatants.
• End National Security Agency warrantless wiretapping.
• Empower Congress to challenge presidential signing statements.
• Bar executive use of the state secret privilege to deny justice.
• Prohibit the President from collaborating with foreign governments to kidnap, detain of torture persons abroad.
• Amend the Espionage Act to permit journalists to report on classified national security matters without threat of persecution.
• Prohibit of the labeling of groups or individuals in the U.S. as global terrorists based on secret evidence.
thanx Bob Barr ( R. Georgia ), atleast someone in government agree’s with the majority of posters on this site , whatever his party affiliation is !
August 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pmIn my mind these are the issues the democrats should be running on . You don’t agree Fred ?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:35 pmwe agree then Fred buI believe the democrats may lose this election if they don’t defend the constitution NOW !
August 25th, 2008 at 12:37 pmUsing Bob Barr and pat buchanan will go along way toward eroding support among conservative voters .Read none dare call it treason by Pat Buchanan , it’s articualte , well researched and scathing toward mccains foreign policy !
August 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pmI thought you said you weren’t naive. I guess you think all of those things will happen if mccain or nader gets elected?
I think we will definatly move in that direction if Obama gets elected.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pmThanks for the backup, ralph.
As the regulars here know, my posting depends on the ebb and flow of the pharmacy.
Unfortunately, the work load for me after my 4 day weekend is busier than usual.
So DaleWuss, before you claim a faux “gotcha” victory because I failed to respond, you may want to reread ralph’s post, which provides links and facts you required.
Also, I noticed that you’ve become predictably silent.
Hey, of course, you *could* just believe what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh say, and the heck with checking/providing facts.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:43 pmNothing radical about it freeman, it called AMERICAN. You’re too blind and stupid a troll to see it. Go on, keep defending those ruining our nation. Because that’s the only thing radical, and it isn’t within the democratic party.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:44 pmI’m sorry freeman, nothing makes me more nervous than the idea that buchanan and I agree on anything. He has no credibility with me on anything. Please don’t expect me to be excited about that minor and probably temporary detail.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:45 pmblowback from bear bating is another article Mr. Buchanan wrote in the last week and is also fantastic .Buchanan’s opinion carries alot of weight among republicans .Want to sink their ship fred , print these articles and hand them out to conservative voters , it will shake their hold on reality !
August 25th, 2008 at 12:45 pmHave you read it Fred ?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pmHe accuses Mc cains senior foreign policy adviser and the neo conservatives of treason !
August 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pmYou should be more open minded , even if the truth comes from unexpected sources .
August 25th, 2008 at 12:48 pmIt’s of no value as he will be singing a different tune tommorrow and then what?
He is a tool of the gop no matter what he says. Remember mccain was a gop outlaw when it worked to his advantage. No thanks.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pmNeo conservativism is a travesty , but it would seem as though the only people attacking it are libertarians .I think the democrats MUST win in November but lessen their chances by not talking about the real issues . These are Democratic issues but aside from Dodd , kusinich and wexler aren’t even addressed except by an equal number of actual conservatives .
August 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pmThe democratic party seems to be trying to lose this election , by ignoring these VITALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES.
No problem, DRxJ. It was just such a fat, hanging curveball that I didn’t want to let it sail by.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:58 pmSo you can’t even read the article Fred ?
August 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pmWhich democrat is calling this what most posters here recognise it is ….TREASON !Is Bucanan’s calling mccains foreign policy treasonous somehow good for the mccain campaign ?
WOW .
“He is a tool of the gop no matter what he says.”
same with gordon smith, specter, voinovich, grassley, et al. at the end of the day, after all their “concern” with bush’s [and mccain's] policies, they vote with repubs every time.
and when gas prices and the cost of bread and milk are affecting people’s lives in a practical and troublesome way, those are “vitally important issues.” on a gut level, feeding your children will trump constitutional issues 8 days a week. pissing on the constitution is not okay, but running solely on existential legal issues will not win you votes. [see 'libertarian party']
August 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pmBuchanan has always been labeled an isolationist fred , so I don’t think he likes the neo cons very much or is likely to change his tune soon .
August 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pmThe enemy of my enemy is my friend .These articles do more to defeat mcCain in Nov. then anything that the democratic leadership has done in the last 2 years !
You don’t think millions of dead , a 108 deaths through torture , peak oil ,and treason are as important as $5 a gallon gas to the American people ? You don’t have alot of faith in human nature then .
August 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pmI beleive if somebody bothered to tell them whats actually been going on in this country for the last 8 years outside the corporate controlled media , our fellow countrymen might well suprise you .
I have asked 100’s of people all over the US if they have ever heard of signing statements for instance … outside my small group of friends I have found exactly 2 , honestly !
“outside my small group of friends I have found exactly 2 ”
exactly. i’d venture to guess that your results are reasonably indicative of america in general. so why make that a central focus of a campaign? speeches are distilled to the public via 10-second sound bites and one-liners replayed on the national and local news. and candidates can’t make jokes about signing statements if 98% of america has no idea what they are.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pmI went to the county fair this weekend and straight up to the republican booth there . Every one in the booth there respected Buchanan and said they would always listen to his opinion at the very least .I handed them all copies of these articles and the American Bar associations findings on Presidential signing statements .
August 25th, 2008 at 1:33 pmThey all said thank you .
Joe Lieberman needs an antidote … I give you Pat Buchanan , Bob Barr and Ron Paul .
Silent. Yeah. It’s called being in a meeting.
As far as Ralph’s points:
approval ratings? Following the links Ralph provided to pollingreport.com shows a dem approval rating of 22%; a repub approval rating of 18%… both have a MoE of 3%; which basically makes both ratings very close.
filibusters?
August 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pmI’m looking at articles in CQ Today, but unfortunately those articles aren’t available for mass consumption.
Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart, Menards… go to any one of them and ask for a new paint brush… the one you’re painting everybody with is getting pretty ratty-looking.
And you’re “whole statement” was:
Care to post any facts to discuss? Or just make blanket statements?
August 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmhttp://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/weekinreview/02herszenhorn.html?ref=todayspaper
August 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmCue the “this is good news for McCain” pundit idiocy nationwide.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pmThis is a flat-out lie.
The poll I cited (Research 2000) had Democrats at 29 percent and Republicans at 18.
Not close at all. In order to make them seem close you have to mix-and-match among polls which, as anyone familiar with the practice will tell you, is a no-no, an apples-and-oranges situation, given differing polling questions, sample groups and methodologies.
Fair enough. That sometimes happens with insider pubs.
But the NYT link clearly backed up the Doc’s assertion that Republicans have set filibustering records, a claim you disputed.
August 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pmWhy bother? When we DO post facts, you seem to distort or ignore them anyway.
August 25th, 2008 at 2:01 pmif anyone thinks these wrong-track numbers aren’t bad news for repubs, the should really pass that news along to tom cole and john ensign. and why are those repubs up for re-election skipping their own convention?
August 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmRalph… the links you posted in this comment showed Dems at 22% and Repubs at 18%.
Check the links again please… maybe the wrong link was posted originally?
August 25th, 2008 at 2:59 pmDale, no they didn’t let me repost them for you:
Dems at 29% (Research 2000, 7/25-27/08)
Republicans at 18% (Research 2000, 7/25-28/08)
No polling organization showed the numbers you claim for similar polls.
The 22% you claim for the Democrats comes from the Harris poll, which I mentioned, and which places the Republicans statistically even at 21%. (Why you would not mention that, I don’t know, unless your priority is to debunk my numbers.)
There is a CNN/Opinion Research poll from the same time period as the Research 2000 that I mentioned that actually has Democrats at 36%. But there is no corresponding report of a number on Congressional Republicans from that organization.
The next most recent poll which covers both parties in Congress is the Research 2000 poll that I referenced, and which places Democrats at 29% and Republicans at 18%.
And since Congress has been on vacation for a month, and argument could be made that the Research 2000 poll is more relevant than the August 10 Harris poll.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pmAP brings up ancient history with its piece “Ghosts of past landslides party with Democrats.”
The only landslide loser the last twenty years was Dukakis. Gore won the popular vote, Kerry lost but not horribly.
McGovern and Mondale are ancient history and Carter won.
No mention of Bill Clinton’s eight year term.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:19 pmDaleW Says:
Hmmm, Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid told us to elect a Democratically controlled congress and all would be peaches and cream (you remember her promise of lowering the gas prices, right?)
So now Congressional approval rating is the lowest in 14 years (which was another D-controlled congress), yet it’s all the fault of the Republicans? Do you also check under your bed every night for the boogeyman?
How much of that has to do with the RECORD NUMBER OF FILIBUSTERS the GOP has pushed you MORON?
August 25th, 2008 at 7:54 pmHere you go DaleW MORON.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html
Seven months into the current two-year term, the Senate has held 42 “cloture” votes aimed at shutting off extended debate — filibusters, or sometimes only the threat of one — and moving to up-or-down votes on contested legislation. Under Senate rules that protect a minority’s right to debate, these votes require a 60-vote supermajority in the 100-member Senate.
Democrats have trouble mustering 60 votes; they’ve fallen short 22 times so far this year. That’s largely why they haven’t been able to deliver on their campaign promises.
By sinking a cloture vote this week, Republicans successfully blocked a Democratic bid to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by April, even though a 52-49 Senate majority voted to end debate.
This year Republicans also have blocked votes on immigration legislation, a no-confidence resolution for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and major legislation dealing with energy, labor rights and prescription drugs.
Nearly 1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes. If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes — 58 each in the two Congresses from 1999-2002, according to the Senate Historical Office.
As for cloture votes sometimes they are just not done because the majority party knows it doesnt have the votes. The FACT is the GOP IS filibustering at a record pace.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:59 pmThe 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression and the Global Elite’s Agenda
August 26th, 2008 at 5:36 am