McCain Surrogate Falsely Suggests McCain Does Not Want To Overturn Roe
McCain Surrogate Falsely Suggests McCain Does Not Want To Overturn Roe
In a new ad for John McCain, Debra Bartoshevich, a self-described “proud Hillary Clinton Democrat,” announces that she opposes Barack Obama and will vote for John McCain. At a press conference this afternoon, Bartoschevich made this puzzling statement:
Going back to 1999, John McCain did an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle saying that overturning Roe v. Wade would not make any sense, because then women would have to have illegal abortions.
Michael Scherer writes, “Was she going off message? Or are Republicans engaging in some cagey multi-messaging?” In 1999, McCain did indeed tell reporters that he “would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” But in recent years, McCain has repeatedly said Roe “should be overturned.” Here’s what his own campaign website says:
At the Saddleback Forum just a couple of weeks ago, McCain left no doubt about his position: “I have a 25-year pro-life record in the Congress, in the Senate. And as President of the United States, I will be a pro-life president and this presidency will have pro-life policies. That’s my commitment, that’s my commitment to you.”
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I want to hear from the committee of tiny aliens occupying John McCain’s brain (or managing his campaign). What do they really stand for?
August 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pmRepublicans see no sin in lying. Lying is just how they bait their hook. This allows someone to tell a friend how McCain really doesn’t want to kill RvW, look, here is my source. The mass of contradictory evidence to the contrary is all just hoopla.
Insane, evil, disgusting. All part of the Republican party line.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pmI hear another McPutz flip-flop in 3…2…1…
August 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pmLie, slime and smear, it’s business as usual for McCain.
Why does McCain support Joe Stalin’s demand for the “territorial integrity” of Georgia? The Soviet dictator Joe Stalin supported the “territorial integrity of Georgia.” So why are Bush, Cheney, Rice and McCain following the imperial wishes of a Soviet dictator?
Cluborlov blogspot explains it all: check out an essay by a brilliant linguist, “The Trouble with Georgia” at
http://www.cluborlov.blogspot.com for a lucid explanation of the historical problems of South Ossetia, Georgia, Russia and the USofA.
Support the independence of the Republic of South Ossetia and the Republic ofAbkhazia. For more information, visit http://www.russiatoday.com. P. S. the cold war with the Soviet Union is over; let’s
August 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pmApparently John McCain has an “all of the above” election strategy…
August 25th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI was hoping that we wouldnt have to go into abortion this cycle. McCain’s position on Roe v. Wade doesnt matter in any substantial way. The Red Team had COMPLETE control of all branches of government for 6 years and didnt do diddly.
WAKE UP ANTI-CHOICE-RIGHT-TO-LIFERS: YOU ARE BEING USED.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pmThe only way to deal with this is for some org like
moveon to put out an ad with McCain saying one thing
and some other person in his campaign saying the
exact opposite. Then end the ad with a “What is
McCain’s real stand?”, followed by a “Who knows!”
Don’t answer the question. Just do enough to seed
August 25th, 2008 at 3:46 pmsome doubt in the minds of the viewers.
This woman was stripped of her status as a Democratic delegate by Wisconsin back in July. Now she gets her 15 minutes of fame. Female Dick Morris is all. And for both of them, the old saying “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,” would be appropo.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:47 pmJohn McNothing will not say anything about being for or against abortion, because he would close the door on having the only VP running mate that would save his butt – Colin Powell. He also won’t say anything about family values, since he was shacked up (an old military term) with his current wife before he left his first and his kids. The man is so far removed from even his days as a fighter jock that he’s beyond understanding by both regular citizens or his understanding us.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pmIt is way past time for government to get out of personal decisions, abortion, right to choose when to die, marriage. These choices should be voted on state by state by popular vote. These sanctimonius people try to force their personal beliefs on a whole population, but refuse to support Planned Parenthood that is all about not needing abortion. Go figure.
August 25th, 2008 at 3:52 pmrhf:
Me personally, he lost me months ago. But I would like to be proven wrong and see Obama actually turn out to be a good candidate instead of the Manchurian candidate which is what he looks like after FISA and Biden.
So are you voting for McCain or Bob Barr?
BTW, the Manchurian candidate label is lame – when is the last election that has seen a candidate promise wholesale changes and then succeed in not making any concessions to get elected?
August 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm#
republicans hate facts Says:
I agree. But when Obama makes statements like “Abortion is never a good thing”, and “I think some restrictions of abortions make sense”, it’s hard for many people to get excited that this is going to happen under his watch. I get so sick of this ’swing to the right’ of male politicians in particular to try to get the ‘indie’ votes. It’s really damaging to the party and to the country to give lip service to this nonsense the way Obama has.
RHF, why would Obama go into the election saying things that potentially completely polarize him (as if he doesn’t have enough people trying to do that to him anyway)? Abortion is never a GOOD thing. It’s a difficult choice to make, and it isn’t something anyone looks forward to. That’s a politically expedient answer. “Some restrictions” in abortion DO make sense – like determining the time frame that so-called “abortion on demand” can occur. Do you think it would be feasible if a woman CHOSE an abortion in her third term because she and her husband lost their house? Not saying anyone WOULD do that, but there are restrictions that make sense that shouldn’t impact the overall right of a woman to choose.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:00 pmI agree abortion is in many cases a sad situation and when it occurs some restrictions need to apply. So, what is the issue? The wisest choice is to obtain information and contraceptives to avoid pregnancy. This idea of abstinence only is a sad joke. Just doesn’t work people.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:01 pmMccain talks out of both sides of his mouth to whichever group he is with and you want that kind of leader?
The Republican party has become the greatest threat to the continued existence of the United States at anytime in its history.
1. The Republican party literally knows no bounds. They will lie, cheat, steal and do whatever else it takes to maintain and increase the power of the party.
2. The Republicans have never hidden the fact that they are attempting to create a permanent Republican majority or one party state. We have seen the attempt to politicize all of government, to tie the wealthy and corporate interests to THE PARTY, and to destroy the Democratic party through the use of the executive as an organ of the party and the use of selective prosecution to gain political advantage.
3. The Republicans have assisted in the corporate take over of the public airwaves and other media so that a clear right wing bias is now displayed in the majority of media outlets. We have seen the FCC used as a tool to further assist in consolidation of the media into the hands of a few.
No, it is time to go after these people and expose McCain and others for the human dung that they are. It is time for the people to take back the country. It is time for all Democrats and progressives to understand that this is war.
How? Learn from the Shit Head Republicans. Organize boycotts, flood papers and networks with protests, go after the sponsors. How the hell do you think that they ended up creating the myth of liberal bias. The same tactics will work to expose the truth.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:02 pmgood_golly7 Says:
I’m too tired today for yet another abortion debate.
Then let’s debate McCain’s stance on the issue. What is it again?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI’m upset. My preferred candidate (not Obama, not Clinton) lost. I guess I’ll do my best to split the party and elect McBush/LIEberman. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:04 pmPresident Bush had the full support of a republican held congress and a conservative supreme court for 6 years. Nothing changed in regards to abortion. If McBush is elected, nothing will change in regards to abortion. it is a wedge issue that will never go away.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:05 pmdeebaser Says:
I was hoping that we wouldnt have to go into abortion this cycle. McCain’s position on Roe v. Wade doesnt matter in any substantial way. The Red Team had COMPLETE control of all branches of government for 6 years and didnt do diddly.
WAKE UP ANTI-CHOICE-RIGHT-TO-LIFERS: YOU ARE BEING USED.
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Yeah, why didn’t the republicans, when they held the majority in both houses, held the presidency and had a favorable Supreme Court not even attempt to pass a bill outlawing abortion??? Hmmm as deebaser stated, it seems the pro-lifers are just being used and are just to ignorant to figure it out!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:06 pmgood_golly7 Says:
McCain’s stance is clear. He will appoint judges that he hopes will not legislate from the bench and who will leave it to each state to decide its own abortion laws. What those judges actually do once they are confirmed and have life tenure though, cannot always be easily predicted.
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Would he work to overturn Roe v Wade?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pm… And all of your arguments are tired, too.
But I’d still like to know, Gigi… given that you would define the deliberate termination of a pregnancy as abortion, how you would you propose treating a woman who might otherwise get a legal abortion, but instead suffers a miscarriage, given the possibility that she took steps to induce said miscarriage?
Wouldn’t that be murder under your rules?
How would you deal with the perpetrator?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pmOh, and Gigi — anyone who would turn to Daryll for help in any argument has really got nothin’.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:08 pmalph the wonder llama Says:
Oh, and Gigi — anyone who would turn to Daryll for help in any argument has really got nothin’.
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Hey, wait! I thought Daryll was a parody. That guy is real?!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:09 pmThat’s why her nickname is Carly Fakeiorina
She sucked her way to the top and sucked as CEO of HP.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:09 pm“good_golly7 Says:
I’m too tired today for yet another abortion debate.
Killing babies is not a choice.
Human rights start in the womb.
Daryll?”
In your opinion. Dolt.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pmfrom the McCain web site:
John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm
“I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned,” the Arizona senator told about 800 people in South Carolina, one of the early voting states.
Feb. 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
There are a lot more, easily found.
Bartoshevich and Fiorina are Idiots,
August 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pm#
good_golly7 Says:
Obama’s stance is also clear. He even voted in favor of allowing infanticide.
Can we flag people for lying blatantly on here?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pmOnly problem is, “legislate from the bench” is nothing more than a code word for “decisions we don’t like”.
Case in point: the California Supreme Court decision that threw out the “marriage is between a man and a woman” ballot initiative.
McSame gave that as an example of “legislating from the bench”. This just shows McSame has no understanding of the case, or its interpretation of the state Constitution:
The majority opinion, by Chief Justice Ronald M. George, declared that any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation will from this point on be constitutionally suspect in California in the same way as laws that discriminate by race or gender, making the state’s high court the first in the nation to adopt such a stringent standard.
The decision was a bold surprise from a moderately conservative, Republican-dominated court that legal scholars have long dubbed “cautious,” and experts said it was likely to influence other courts around the country.
“Strict constructionist” is code-word crap that means less than the word of any Republican.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pmFaiz wrote:
Exactly.
Whereas Obama was obviously floundering and tap dancing and said some nonsense about it being above his pay grade to answer the question specifically. Then he went on to lie about his immoral position on late term, born-alive “botched” abortions. It was so pathetic.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pmgood_golly7 Says:
I’m too tired today for yet another abortion debate.
Killing babies is not a choice.
Human rights start in the womb.
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Killing babies is not a choice…So tell me how do you feel about the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children? Reichwingers seem to forget thou shall not kill means thou shall not kill anybody!
Human rights start in the womb…Nice if not misguided sentiment BECAUSE under a republican controlled government they lose those rights once they leave the womb.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pmgood_golly7,
Wayne answered my question in post #31. McCain plans to nominate judges that will overturn Roe v Wade. After that it will be left up to the individual states.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pmThis is from an interesting Slate story in 2005, two days after the Roe v. Wade anniversary:
August 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
good_golly7 Says:
How can you accept McCain’s flip-flopping on this issue? How do you know you can trust McCain’s “stance” to appoint the “right” kind of judges? He isn’t consistent – how do you explain that?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmTripleshit and the rest of the idiot republicans are too stupid to get what Barack Obama ment by his “paygrade” comment. He ment he is not God, so it is not for him to judge any woman about if abortion is right or wrong. It is between God and the woman in the end, not the republicans, not the democrats, not you, not I. GET IT DUMBASS?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pmThis sure sounds like a Republican trying to exploit the animosity and disappointment over Clinton losing the nomination to Obama. It doesn’t make much sense for a “self-described ‘proud Hillary Clinton Democrat,’” to switch over to a candidate that has no problem with Clinton being refered to as a b**ch.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pmWe don’t expect you to get the reference, dear TK, but “above my pay grade” was a clear reference to God.
And his position is clear: he supports a woman’s right to choose. What did Obama say that you thought confused that stance?
How many late term born-alive “botched” abortions have there been over the past five years, dear TK? It must be a serious problem, if you guys are putting so much emphasis on the issue.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pmbefore we start this whole blather about baby killing, wanna define baby for me again? I love the states rights game. So should death with dignity be a states rights issue as well?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pmPro-life policies? Oh good, a national ban on the death penalty, no more killing people in the name of freedom, no more baseless, indefinate detention without charges, and especially, my favorite, free health-care for everyone!
Are you pro-life or not?
That has got to be the silliest moniker ever.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:20 pmThey don’t consider it lying.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:20 pmThey simply will say anything to anyone to try to get elected.
They really feel that the end justifies the means.
Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
Tripleshit and the rest of the idiot republicans are too stupid to get what Barack Obama ment by his “paygrade” comment. He ment he is not God, so it is not for him to judge any woman about if abortion is right or wrong. It is between God and the woman in the end, not the republicans, not the democrats, not you, not I. GET IT DUMBASS?
Those clowns think they KNOW what God thinks. Really audacious if you ask me…
August 25th, 2008 at 4:21 pmgood_golly7 Says: “Killing babies is not a choice. Human rights start in the womb.”
And every miscarriage is an abortion by God that servesd His plan. Every woman that dies during childbirth is God’s work.
Every child born without a brain or with a congenital deadly disease is blessed by God and fully approved by the GOP.
“I’m too tired today for yet another abortion debate.”
Too tired? Was Lot too tired to pimp his daughters? Was Noah too tired to build his Ark? Was Abel too tired to fix God a salad? Was Abraham too tired to shag his slaves? If you are too tired to even debate abortion, you surely can;t be bothered to prevent it, and that means you reject God and His Laws, and once you do that, that’s it for you, there’s no redemption.
Bad Christian! No Heaven! Bad!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:22 pmRight on Bob @ 47!
How can one be a Pro-lifer and be pro-war?
How can one be a pro-lifer and be for the death penalty?
How can one be a pro-lifer and be against affordable health care for the poor, the children and the elderly?
F**KING HYPOCRITES!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm#
good_golly7 Says:
He wasn’t my first choice, but he’s the best option we’ve got. Far better than someone who stood on the floor of the Illinios Senate and spoke out against a bill that would have banned infanticide.
Why aren’t you truly pro-Life? You support war.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
impeachcheneythenbush Says:
This woman was stripped of her status as a Democratic delegate by Wisconsin back in July. Now she gets her 15 minutes of fame. Female Dick Morris is all. And for both of them, the old saying “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,” would be appropo.
The continual sexism raised against Hillary and particularly her female followers is exactly why Obama (and you) are not making any friends or influencing any people. The reality is that Obama has not addressed many of the issues these voters care about yet and even seems to be hostile to some of them. So instead of just dismissing them as ’scorned women’ and making sexist remarks like this. It’s time for you and Obama to actually address the platform issues and sexism that is causing this backlash. Otherwise the Democrats will do what the Democrats do too often and sabotage ourselves out of yet another election…
For your information, I’m almost 61 years old. I experienced alot of “sexism” in my life, but I didn’t whine about it. I punched a boss out once who grabbed my breast, and threatened to sue a bank loan office who didn’t want to give me an $800 loan for a used car because I wasn’t married. The boss didn’t fire me and I got the loan. Those are only two of many examples I could give you. I also had an abortion 23 years ago, which I still wish I hadn’t had to do. But felt then, and still do, that I had no choice. So don’t you dare call me sexist!
What I strongly object to is this meme from the Clinton supporters that “She and her supporters weren’t respected.” It’s an extremely weak and whiny position to take, and as far as I’m concerned, makes women look like wimps. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!!
As far as this statement goes, “Otherwise the Democrats will do what the Democrats do too often and sabotage ourselves out of yet another election.” Look in the mirror. You are helping this happen.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pmgood_golly7 Says:
No, he’s a parody sock puppet for someone at TP who cannot post today because he is in Denver.
Odd. Daryll was posting earlier today, so I guess your theory is blown.
One of your fellow trolls thought Daryll was a sock puppet of Shayne’s, while you claim it’s a TP staffer. Since neither of you has (a) credibility or (b) evidence, we’ll just have to assume that Daryll’s as much a real person as, well, goon_golly.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pmGigi, I have treated you with good humor because your misguided attempts at relevance are amusing. Your dishonesty is comically undercut by your lack of skills in debate.
But now you’re just being a dick. We all know you don’t take language seriously, unless you’re seeking to weasel your way out of a corner, but the astonishingly dishonest use of the term “infanticide” in connection with Obama is a tactic I once might have thought beneath even you.
Sadly, whenever I figure I lowered the bar on my expectations for you to the right level, you somehow manage to limbo under it one more time.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm43:
Lie.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pmHow did McCain vote on the infantcide and genocide of all those Iraqi babies and people? I believe he approved of it. All in the name of patriotism, nationalism and for the stealing of a sovereign nations natural resources. Shame on McCain!
August 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmBesides, the government has no business dictating when people start their families.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmFor some reason, Uncle Fester Lurks, the Reichwingers have a different standard for Muslim babies. Born or otherwise. That’s the only logical explanation for their eagerness to bomb children and pass it off as “collateral damage”.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmUncle Fester:
Don’t forget, McCain is anxious for a war with Iran and Russia, too.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pmActually gummitch,
August 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI believe that it was Jabberjaw who thought Shayne was Daryll and JJ turned out to be GiGi in the end… You can see why Gigi would see sock-puppets everywhere, she has a closet full of them and assumes that everyone else does too… sad, really.
ralph
Its a question of Obama’s judgement. Regarding the BAIPA act, Obama voted not to provide care for babies who were born alive after a failed abortion. Obama’s vote is coming home, to roost.
Click here if you really want to know about failed abortions
August 25th, 2008 at 4:29 pmI wonder what it says about trolls that they come here day after day, craving online attention. It’s weird.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:30 pmgood_golly7 Says:
BTW, here is a transcript of Obama’s comments in the Illinois Senate, starting at p. 85.
http://www.ilga.gov/ senate/ transcripts/ strans92/ ST033001.pdf
And page 86 is where your infanticide is exposed for the LIE that it is. The wording of the bill was meant as a back-door reversal of Roe v. Wade by terming ALL fetuses CHILDREN.
Why do you support war?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:30 pmgood_golly7 Says:
He wasn’t my first choice, but he’s the best option we’ve got. Far better than someone who stood on the floor of the Illinios Senate and spoke out against a bill that would have banned infanticide.
Bah. If you ever read anything that wasn’t rightwing propaganda . . . ah, I’m wasting my time.
Rebuttal.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pmassisted suicide seems like a human rights issue. What say you good-golly7? Human beings with rights ought to have the right to end their own lives should they not?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pmTripleKick 15 Says:
ralph
Its a question of Obama’s judgement. Regarding the BAIPA act, Obama voted not to provide care for babies who were born alive after a failed abortion. Obama’s vote is coming home, to roost.
Click here if you really want to know about failed abortions
The wording of the bill was meant as a back-door reversal of Roe v. Wade by terming ALL fetuses CHILDREN. There were already laws on the books to protect children of botched late-term abortions, and the law wouldn’t have held up Constitutionally. Stop lying.
Why do you support war?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:31 pmHere’s a better link Ralph. Yes, live birth abortions are a problem.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pmRepublicans love fetuses until they actually become children. Then it’s sink or swim, baby. Every man, woman and child for themselves. No social safety net for anyone.
That’s the Republican way.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pmgood_golly7 Says:
How can one claim to be in favor of human rights, yet not be willing to answer the question, “when do human rights begin?”
F**KING HYPOCRITES!
(there, fixed it for you)
So, please tell me. When do human rights begin, and why?
Hmmm…maybe when the fetus can survive outside of the womb? You know, when it is a viable human being…
August 25th, 2008 at 4:33 pmBut back to McCain, the “kept man”.
How does he get away with such spin? He was a POW 40 years ago, that’s why.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:34 pmFrosty Cupcake Says:
Republicans love fetuses until they actually become children. Then it’s sink or swim, baby. Every man, woman and child for themselves. No social safety net for anyone.
That’s the Republican way.
Well put.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:34 pmdeebaser,
I’ve been wanting to ask that question for months now.
How is it that the 6 years of complete Republican rule did not eliminate abortion?
How is it that the first 2 years of Bush provided more abortions than the first 2 years of Clinton?
How is it that they still pander for the Christian right, but once elected, don’t do squat for those they pandered to?
And correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t McSane Pro-life as Senator of Arizona in 2000?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:36 pmgood_golly 7, why do you keep changing your posting name?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:38 pmIf life, and therefore rights, begin at conception, and any terminatation in a pregancy is anti-life, when are they going to start prosecuting women who miscarrage for involutary manslaughter? Sometimes it’s not a choice and yet ’someone’ still dies. Seems consistancy demands consequences for everyone. Don’t worry, they have plenty of double standards for those loopholes.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:42 pmTweedster:
Thanks! :)
August 25th, 2008 at 4:42 pmgood_golly 7
Sounds like you disagree with Obama on that one. He voted against even a simple measure of requiring a second doctor’s opinion to determine if a baby born alive from an induced delivery/abortion procedure was viable.
Because it was a provision in a bill that also includes the re-classification of ALL FETUSES AS CHILDREN, and as such could act as a backdoor reversal of Roe v. Wade.
What don’t you comprehend about that? It’s one thing to be resolutely Pro-Life, but stop distorting the issue. Oh wait, you can’t. To really make your argument you HAVE to lie.
Why do you support war?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pmGigi, you gigantic fu(king doosh.
You have asked this question dozens of times in the past couple of weeks, and gotten several answers. I told you I would answer, as soon as you addressed the question I put to you, and you have refused to answer it. I repeated it above in post 25, but to save you the trouble, I’ll reiterate it here:
All you have to do is answer it.
Why won’t you answer it?
August 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm“Rights” begin at conception and end at birth. Easy peasy for the GOP.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pmTK, thanks for the effort, but sending me links from “priestsforlife.com” and insisting that “Yes, live birth abortions are a problem” doesn’t answer the specific, fact-based question I put to you.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:46 pmJohn McCain’s Website doesn’t say Roe v. Wade SHOULD be overturned…it says Roe v. Wade MUST be overturned.
I agree with previous posters…the Republicans had their OPPORTUNITY, when they controlled Congress and the Presidency…and not only did Abortions NOT GO Down, but they didn’t even propose legislation to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Republicans want the ISSUE.
Here’s what Obama should do. Agree that Abortions are Never a Good thing. Unwaveringly support Roe v. Wade
AND…set as his GOAL , the yearly Reduction in the Number of Abortions for EVERY Year of his presidency…by lowereing the number of UNINTENDED Pregnancies through EDUCATION, Easy access to birth control , HEALTHCARE for ALL, and Progressive Adoption Policies.
Not by Overturning Roe.v. Wade and returning to Back alley Abortions and the COATHANGER.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:47 pmDRxJ Says:
How is it that the first 2 years of Bush provided more abortions than the first 2 years of Clinton?
A bigger question, why did Bush help his girlfriend get an abortion in 1970? In 1970 abortions were illegal in Texas, yet the Bush family arranged it.
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Bush%20Abortion
August 25th, 2008 at 4:55 pmPerhaps it is poorly worded. What do you find confusing? Perhaps I could clear it up for you.
But to be clear: I didn’t ask you to whom you would give jurisdiction.
I asked you how you would deal with this possibility if your rules were in place.
You have no problem opining that “Human rights start in the womb”, so why the shyness about laying out your opinion on what to do with sneaky baby-murdering mothers in such a circumstance?
I find your reticence a bit cowardly.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:01 pmHere is my problem with letting the STATES Decide:
from Anna Quindlen’s excellent article in Newsweek:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/48339?tid=relatedcl
There is now only a single abortion clinic in Mississippi. Once there were seven. There are nearly 3 million people living in the state. No other state with only one abortion clinic has as many residents. Mississippi has enacted every restriction on abortion possible within the limits set by the Supreme Court.
In 2000, researchers published a study of the effects of the waiting period. It showed that the number of later abortions INCREASED SHARPLY among Mississippi residents who relied on local clinics but not among those able to travel to neighboring states. The study showed that after the waiting period went into effect the number of second-trimester procedures in the state ROSE from 7.5 percent of all abortions to 11.5 percent.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:02 pmAs I pointed out above, Gigi, no, you haven’t answered my question. You made up a different question and answered THAT as if it had been the one I asked.
Are conservatives not in favor of human rights?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:03 pmBadger, the flip side of your post equation is Mississippi’s disturbing corresponding growth in infant mortality.
More evidence that Republicans confer “human rights” from conception until birth, and then, you’re on your own, kid.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:06 pmTell ya what, goony – WHEN YOU CAN GET PREGNANT, you can choose.
Until then, STFU.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:09 pmOkay, here’s a brain teaser for good_goony 7.0, but since she’s ignoring me, I’ll make it for everyone.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:10 pmMy wife, on our trip to her brother’s wedding this past weekend, was just a little concerned as she was a few days late (she had her “visitor” while we were in Erie, thank goodness). But, it got me thinking. Because she has had 4 kids via c-section, and her interior uterine wall is scarred, the doctors recommended we no longer have anymore kids. Let’s take this one step further, let’s say her condition is life threatening with bearing one more child. Let’s say she became pregnant.
What should we do? Terminate the developing embryonic cells, or do we take the chance of 4 or 5 kids being raised without their mother?
Intersting, eh? Especially the good_goony7.0 response.
I would like to second Annie’s “STFU”.
Thanks.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:19 pmI would like to see Annie’s “STFU” motion passed, but only after Gigi answers my question.
THEN she can STFU.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pmIt looks like GG7 has been retired. Can GG8 be far behind?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pmBut have we determined **WHO** speaks for McCain. We know it isn’t McCain. So is it the web page ? or is it ……
OTOH – isn’t it rather cynical to expect that the Sheeple are so dumb that you can tell them 5 independently contradictory and false statements and they will lap it up?
And what kind of “democracy” will we have when the govt can tell nothing but lies ?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pmDrxj – thought about vasectomy ? Why is it always the females problem re: pregnancy. Just curious. And yes that was our decision after medical issues happened.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pmTripleKick 15 Says:
ralph
Its a question of Obama’s judgement. Regarding the BAIPA act, Obama voted not to provide care for babies who were born alive after a failed abortion. Obama’s vote is coming home, to roost.
You, like most trolls, are dishonest to a fault. Obama voted against one version of the bill because it had a provision he and many others objected to. Once that provision was removed, he then voted for the bill. His vote will only come home to roost with dishonest right wingers like you who would never vote for him in the first place.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pmI would like to know by what process or authority the SCOTUS has to ‘overturn’ an amendment to the constitution. The 18th amendment was repealed by the 21st; which I believe had to be ratified by popular vote garnering 35% of the states. Someone please explain to me how this process outlined in the constitution of the USA may be skirted by the SCOTUS. Is there a lawyer out there that can answer this, please?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:31 pmMccain was a weekend dad coming home weekends only per Cindy. So, pretty easy to appease the right to lifers. Just what does he have experience in, never paid a bill, lived with a budget, had servants and staff to pick up his $540 pair of shoes. He has skated on the coatails of dad, wife and friends. Oh, did I mention he was 5th from the bottom of a class of 899. WE NEED INTELLIGENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:32 pmpete Says:
It looks like GG7 has been retired. Can GG8 be far behind?
It was GG 6 this morning, at this rate GG will catch up to tripplekick ( or fifteentimeskicked ) in a day or two. LMAO
August 25th, 2008 at 5:36 pmA lying corporatist raider responsible for 18,000 Americans losing well-paying grey and white-collar jobs and destroying two large companies before getting dumped is running her game with women.
All any of them have to do to know Carly Fiorina is lying in their faces is to go to the McCain site and see for themselves. That’s how stupid Carly Fiorina thinks people are.
August 25th, 2008 at 5:46 pmTexas Lady: “Just what does he have experience in, never paid a bill, lived with a budget, had servants and staff to pick up his $540 pair of shoes.”
Times are tough for the McCain family. Records show their budget for servants went from $178K in 2006 to about $240K in 2007. A McCain spokesperson said it was because they needed more personnel because they had more houses, not that they were paying people more – glad they cleared that up!
Meanwhile, over at The National Review, they’re hoppin’ mad about that $200K salary Michelle Obama got. It had to be special favors from Illinois legislator Barak Obama. No way would anyone just decide to give a graduate of Harvard Law School $200K per year, right?
August 25th, 2008 at 5:56 pmDrXJ: “What should we do? Terminate the developing embryonic cells, or do we take the chance of 4 or 5 kids being raised without their mother?”
The logical conclusion, if we lived in a world crafted by right-wing religious fanatics, would be that she would be remanded to a government “birthing center” where she would be forced to carry a baby to term. I’m guessing there would be no government compensation if you ended up having to take care of your 4 or 5 kids by yourself without a Mother.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pmWhat would Flippy McSpin do to protect these children?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Afghan_government:_More_than_90_civilians_killed_by_US_airstrike
August 25th, 2008 at 6:28 pmof course McCain doesn’t want to overthrow Roe,
August 25th, 2008 at 7:18 pmbut his campaign does and as we know, he dosen’t
speak for the campaign.
McCain & his lying surrogates are false on everything. Either false (liars) or false-impaired (delusional, forgetful, dolts)
August 25th, 2008 at 7:27 pm#
Badger Says:
John McCain’s Website doesn’t say Roe v. Wade SHOULD be overturned…it says Roe v. Wade MUST be overturned.
I agree with previous posters…the Republicans had their OPPORTUNITY, when they controlled Congress and the Presidency…and not only did Abortions NOT GO Down, but they didn’t even propose legislation to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Republicans want the ISSUE.
Here’s what Obama should do. Agree that Abortions are Never a Good thing. Unwaveringly support Roe v. Wade
AND…set as his GOAL , the yearly Reduction in the Number of Abortions for EVERY Year of his presidency…by lowereing the number of UNINTENDED Pregnancies through EDUCATION, Easy access to birth control , HEALTHCARE for ALL, and Progressive Adoption Policies.
Not by Overturning Roe.v. Wade and returning to Back alley Abortions and the COATHANGER.
Wow Badger. This is effin’ great. Somebody call up Axelrod…
August 25th, 2008 at 7:30 pmTripleKick 15 Says:
Whereas Obama was obviously floundering and tap dancing and said some nonsense about it being above his pay grade to answer the question specifically. Then he went on to lie about his immoral position on late term, born-alive “botched” abortions. It was so pathetic.
You are so stupid it must hurt. So ignorant I dont know how you feed yourself. To the congenitally ignorant like YOU a thoughtful answer anything that wont fit on a bumper sticker is tap dancing instead of aknowleging the complexities. The problem here is YOUR stupidity not Obamas intelligence. I feel like my IQ drops just reading your ignorant tripe. Grow up, steal some brain cells and stop annoying the adults
August 25th, 2008 at 7:45 pmGoonyGollyMoron. You are ignorant and you are a liar and a fool.
August 25th, 2008 at 7:49 pmStudies say 18,000 lives would be saved every year in the US by switching to what two-thirds of Americans want: single-payer healthcare.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:14 pmSociologists say the main reason for the big drop in crime under Clinton was due to Roe v Wade.
One in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five, a 35% increase since our invasion. A major cause of deaths before our invasion was our sanctions. Sec of State Madeliene Albright said the deaths of 500,000 children caused by our sanctions was worth it.
One in four Afghanis now die before the age of five.
While we were killing 3.2 million Vietnamese, I never heard any pro-lifers complain.