Juan Williams tears up after Michelle Obama speech: ‘It’s unbelievable’
By on Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Juan Williams tears up after Michelle Obama speech: ‘It’s unbelievable’
Yesterday, after Michelle Obama delivered an address highlighting the “improbable journey that’s brought us to this moment,” Fox News’s Juan Williams teared up as he talked about her speech, stating, “I’m just thrilled. I mean, it’s almost emotional. … We’ve never seen anything like that”:
As a human being, as an African-American, it’s unbelievable. And then to have a family situation, given all the tension in Black America over families, and to see that positive image there for everybody to see. … Man, that’s just awesome.
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Former Bush adviser Karl Rove, however, had an entirely different reaction to the speech, claiming Michelle Obama could have done better “on saying I love America.” (HT: Andrew Sullivan)
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He'll be getting a memo about that....
August 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pmAs a human being, as an African-American, it’s unbelievable.
Continued Williams, "I mean, she didn't once say "M-Fer, gimme some more iced tea!"
Seriously though, it was nice of Faux News to give Juan permission to say something nice about Michelle Obama's moment.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm.
KKKarl Rove says: "It's about time she loves America."
Juan Williams says: "It's about time Black America sees a positive role model."
Yet, they both collect paychecks from the FOXPRAVDA...
... Go figure.
.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pmWow, I thought for sure that Juan Williams was devoid of anything other than a hunger for a paycheck...the display of humanity here is stunning.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pmI mean, was she or wasn't she wearing a flag lapel pin?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pmJuan will be sandbagged by Faux in 3....2....1...
August 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm666lattes Says:
I mean, was she or wasn’t she wearing a flag lapel pin?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
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Juan Williams sure isn't. Should we even be listening to this America-hating America-lover?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:24 pmUnfortunately, her speech wasn't for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pmI don't watch Fox News, is Juan Williams their token black?
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pmunbelievable Says:
Unfortunately, her speech wasn’t for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
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Perhaps, but do you really think those Hillary supporters will be swayed by it?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pmI have seen these touchy feely conventions fail for a long time now. Could we maybe grow a set and aggresively go after the record of the Republican crime machine?
Tonight apparently former Virginia Governor Mark Warner is going to deliver a bipartisan keynote address, christ I think I'm going to throw up!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pmI couldn't agree more Juan. It truly was awesome. Now it is your turn Juan,to truly do something awesome,for you, your family and the future of our country. 1st. It is now time for you Juan to resign from FUX Noise effective immediately. 2nd it is time for you Juan to make a documentary of how FUX Noise is destroying our Republic. Man that would be truly awesome Juan.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pmKansasLiberal Says:
I couldn’t agree more Juan. It truly was awesome. Now it is your turn Juan,to truly do something awesome,for you, your family and the future of our country. 1st. It is now time for you Juan to resign from FUX Noise effective immediately.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
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Ugh - does that mean I'll have to hear more of him on NPR? No thank you!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:32 pmhussein toasterhead Says: Perhaps, but do you really think those Hillary supporters will be swayed by it?
I don't know. It probably depends on what Hillary does tonight.
You know, I don't quite understand the mindset of Clinton's supporters who haven't yet accepted defeat and moved into Obama's camp. It's an incredibly immature stance to spite yourself because you didn't get your way. Kinda worries me when that many grown adults act like spoiled rotten brats. What does that say about our country?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
unbelievable Says:
Unfortunately, her speech wasn’t for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
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Perhaps, but do you really think those Hillary supporters will be swayed by it?
Is it really that serious - the threat of these so-called "Hillary supporters" going and voting Republican? I have a sinking feeling that the big fuss over this alleged mass-exodus of Hillarites is something cooked up in the GOP echo-chamber to get people nervous and as something to obfuscate possible election tampering by the Repubs.
I don't buy it.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pmI beg your pardon...
It's certainly not those that you refer to as KKK rednecks in Appalachia that you need to be concerned about. It's the suits and ties in corporate America who are pulling the strings and they damned sure appreciate uninformed people like you who learned all they know about Applalachia from "The Dukes of Hazzard".
August 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Perhaps, but do you really think those Hillary supporters will be swayed by it?
I'd like to see Hillary come out on stage tonight and tell "her" supporters, in no uncertain terms, that if they feel that she was disrespected at any point in the primary process, that if they felt that her husband, President Clinton, was disrespected at any point in the primary process, the ultimate disrespect for them, who they are and what they stand for, would be a vote for McStain.
That's what I'm hoping to hear.
Michelle did a phenomenal job last night, not as a woman, not as an African American, not as our future first lady, but as a human being and an American. I appreciate Juan Williams acknowledging this historic speech, and count me among the shocked that FuxNews didn't cut to commercial.
PEACE
August 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pmrocks911 Says: I have seen these touchy feely conventions fail for a long time now. Could we maybe grow a set and aggresively go after the record of the Republican crime machine?
I hope that's what both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden will both do (since their speeches will be the ones most televised on MSM).
It's past time to start deconstructing John McCain. Once the American people know that he really is WORSE than Bush, it will be over for him.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:37 pmunbelievable Says:
You know, I don’t quite understand the mindset of Clinton’s supporters
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I am infuriated with their stubborn irrationality. They would rather burn the Democratic house down with us all inside than support our nominee.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pmbetween the kennedy tribute and speech
and the michelle speech...
if you didn't have a teat, you're not alive.
in so many ways.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:38 pmunbelievable Says:
You know, I don’t quite understand the mindset of Clinton’s supporters who haven’t yet accepted defeat and moved into Obama’s camp. It’s an incredibly immature stance to spite yourself because you didn’t get your way. Kinda worries me when that many grown adults act like spoiled rotten brats. What does that say about our country?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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No less immature than Hillary swift-boating Howard Dean in 2004 so she could run in 2008:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/25/rick_macarthur_you_cant_be_president
August 26th, 2008 at 12:39 pmKaty -- please tell me that that word should have been "tear"... Otherwise, I may start checking for my pulse... ;o)
August 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pmThanks for the post and link, toasterhead.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pmAnd NO grease from fried chicken on her hands, WOW, right O'Biley?
And Juan, you should be tearing up..
Your Fox contract.
And rejoining the human race.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pmRove would have said that no matter what because he needs to continue the anti-American concept he's already helped formulate.
I've yet to come across a "normal" person even aware of that supposed issue, but I hope Obama's campaign addresses it more.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pmdumbstruck Says:
It’s the suits and ties in corporate America who are pulling the strings and they damned sure appreciate uninformed people like you who learned all they know about Applalachia from “The Dukes of Hazzard”.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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Those suits and ties paid for the Obama and McCain campaigns to get where they are. I don't think she's speaking to them - they've already heard the pitch.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pmDarlyy, I hope you're still showing up here after Nov 4th.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pmI really want to rub your nose in the Obama victory.
Daryll Says:
This is why Hussein has already lost the campaign.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
No, this is why Hussein has already lost the campaign.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pmMichelle's speech brought tears to both my wife and my eye's, best speech ever by a prospective first lady, and weren't those kids darling at the end there.
But Cindy McCain is sure to top that (in the eyes of KKKarl) she is gonna wow the crowd, by dancing Topless while stoned on meds, that is sure to thrill the knuckle-draggers.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pmDogfather, I was just wondering the same thing...
Where's my teat!@?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pmTweedster Says: Is it really that serious - the threat of these so-called “Hillary supporters” going and voting Republican?
I read that woman (these are mostly woman and gays who have been scientifically shown to have female brain parts) havethe ability to hold life-long grudges when they feel that they have been wronged. So, being a woman, I do think that they can create enough problems and division that could be a problem.
Hillary can fix most of this by constantly pointing out the lunacy in voting for McCain, who is quite anti-woman.
Obama could also start talking about her health care role in his Administration. I do think they would be appeased by her having some cabinet presence in his White House.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:45 pmSo you think the KKK rednecks in Appalachia are listening?
I doubt Michele does either...
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pmdarlyy, your trolling is also lackluster. Where's the fire and brimstone we're used to watching you spew?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:48 pmHey, Daryll, you superstitious a$$wipe, what's the little magical invisible faerie in your head been telling you lately? Is Phuckabee still gonna be president?
Jerk.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:50 pmDaryll Says:
I’ll be here thanking God for hiw wonderous works (Sen. McCain’s victory).
August 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
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So God will be crashing Diebold machines and dropping black voters from registration lists?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pmHey folks, let's all do ourselves a favor and ignore Darryl. It has nothing to say and trying to reason with it is a losing proposition. It was nice here for a while without any trolls stinking up the place.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pmdumbstruck Says: It’s the suits and ties in corporate America who are pulling the strings and they damned sure appreciate uninformed people like you who learned all they know about Applalachia from “The Dukes of Hazzard”.
I live in Georgia. I know too much about the subject matter from experience. I stand by my statement. Corporate America won't get to vote in November, but the racists will.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pmHartmann is reporting that Faux has control of the TV feed for the convention, that it was "their turn". I alternated between PBS and C-Span, were all the camera feeds the same shots all night? Or just during the one hour of network coverage?
August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pmI see Daryll is here showing us once again how nasty and deluded he is.
Go ahead Daryll, tell all of those awful republicans at their sure-to-be-awful convention that McCain has already won!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:53 pmIf anyone thinks these PUMA people are truly former Hillary supporters, I have a bridge to sell you. It's no coincidence that they only "meet" on the internet and none of them know anyone else in the organization. They are all Republicans sent out to sow the seeds of discord by Rush Limpball.
But, I still don't understand why Hillary doesn't renounce these people. If she would just say that they do not represent her or her beliefs, it would go a long way to neutralize them.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pmYeah Bilbo, his worthless XiaNazi crap isn't worth pissing into the wind over.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pmI doubt we'll see much of him after Nov 4th.
Tweedster Says:
"Is it really that serious - the threat of these so-called “Hillary supporters” going and voting Republican?"
One of the latest "polls" show that 27% of Hillary supporters plan to vote for John McCain. If that's true, then yes, they pose a VERY real threat to the future of this country, but you may very well be right about it being overblown.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Hey folks, let’s all do ourselves a favor and ignore Darryl. It has nothing to say and trying to reason with it is a losing proposition. It was nice here for a while without any trolls stinking up the place.
You're right of course, Bilbo Hussein Baggins! Stink-o-rama!
August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pmAnd I'll be here for the duration.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pmWhy would I want to move from this great country? We've got lots of fence mending to do with those Republics (both of them I'm sure) who want to participate in non partisan rebuilding of America.
I think the 'story' of Clinton supporters voting any way other than D is another mirage by the media to insert 'controversy' to heighten the drama. I suppose there are those who would cut off their nose to spite their face, but when it comes down to it, the number of those people has to be quite small. Unless you conceed that the major parties are essentially the same, or that Hilary is actually a republican dressed as a democrat, there would not be sufficient reason to switch parties.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pmhussein toasterhead Says: No less immature than Hillary swift-boating Howard Dean in 2004 so she could run in 2008:
Good point. I respect the Clintons' service to our country, but, you're right that they have been the role models to this behavior.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pmIf nothing else, the MSM insistence that there are millions of PUMAs out there that will change the course of this election will ensure the Democratic GOTV effort will be even more dedicated and robust.
The MSM needs to try to convince We The People that this election will be close so that people will keep tuning in to hear the latest polls.
Obama/Biden will win in a landslide, Diebold/Premier fix or not.
All we have to do is show up and vote.
PEACE
August 26th, 2008 at 1:00 pmHouse of Roberts Says: I alternated between PBS and C-Span
Same here. The other networks showed you only what they wanted you to see, unlike C-SPAN that just showed the whole thing and left it up to you to decide who you wanted to hear.
I didn't miss the talking heads at all.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm666lattes Says:
One of the latest “polls” show that 27% of Hillary supporters plan to vote for John McCain.
Although that's a discouraging percentage, considering that Hillary had the highest negativity rating of all of the Dem candidates (as high as 49% in some polls), there was pretty much no way the Dems could win with her. So we'll have to hope that the Dems can successfully woo a chunk of Republicans.
This is from August 13th:
Two Republicans endorse Obama
Another "Republican for Obama" who emerged Tuesday was Jim Whitaker, mayor of the Fairbanks North Star Borough in Alaska.
Whitaker told the Daily News-Miner that he likes Obama's energy policy and believes the Democrat has the stronger "intellectual capacity" of the two candidates.
Whitaker, an Alaska legislator from 1999 to 2003, supported McCain in the 2000 Republican primary.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:04 pmspencers mom Says: If nothing else, the MSM insistence that there are millions of PUMAs out there that will change the course of this election will ensure the Democratic GOTV effort will be even more dedicated and robust.
I agree. I think that, in the end, their 'stratergy', like all of their 'stratergies' will backfire. The Cons have that reverse midas touch.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:06 pm666lattes Says:
Tweedster Says:
“Is it really that serious - the threat of these so-called “Hillary supporters” going and voting Republican?”
One of the latest “polls” show that 27% of Hillary supporters plan to vote for John McCain. If that’s true, then yes, they pose a VERY real threat to the future of this country, but you may very well be right about it being overblown.
Who is being polled? I still believe that this is more of a MSM manufactured controversy than anything else, so when the Repubs start stealing votes they'll have something to pin it on.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pmDaryll Says:
This is why Hussein has already lost the campaign.
Well, I hope so. It would mighty uncomfortable for President Huckabee if Obama won the campaign and moved into the White House.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pmRove needs to prove first that he loves America. I have never seen any out of that lying sack of sh*t's mouth that ever give the impression he loves America either. His soul purpose in life is to lie always, smear democrats and provide a total neocon one sided opinion on Fox News every time. I mean why even interview him about anything about democrats. It's always the same,negative attacks no matter what.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pmDaryll Says:
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katy Says:
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between the kennedy tribute and speech
and the michelle speech…
if you didn’t have a teat, you’re not alive.
in so many ways.
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Sen. Kennedy gave a touching, Michelle’s acting was lack luster.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
And in what year did you receive your Oscar , Olivier ?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:11 pmHence your insistence on calling him "President-elect Huckabee"?
Oops. Guess not.
So Daryll, is Jesus a flip-flopper?
Or is he a cut-and-runner on the Huckabee campaign?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:12 pmDaryll's prediction is good news....he has always been wrong....on everything.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pmIs anyone else here tired of Parodyll's $hit?
One hit wonder posts with virtually no rebuttals of significance, and continuously off topic.
The act doth grow tiresome.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:14 pmDaryll is a buffoon. Hey Daryll, why don't you go shake off the devil to some Ted Haggee "home movies" and put the talking points down...
August 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pmDaryll, my friend, listen carefully:
You're a tool. (And I don't mean that in a "tool of the Lord" sort of way. I mean it in the colloquial, vulgar "private parts" sort of way.)
You've always been a tool, mind you, but for a while there you were entertaining.
You're no longer entertaining. You're just boring now. Please go away. I mean this with all profound love in my heart. Just go away.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pmOops, I meant Ted Haggard home movies...with all those reich wing charlatans and perverts it can get a little confusing...
August 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pmDRxJ Says: Is anyone else here tired of Parodyll’s $hit?
Yeah. He used to be fun to bat around when he played the outrageous zealot who only appeared in gay issue threads, but now, he's just annoying.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm"Unfortunately, her speech wasn’t for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being."
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it's OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Perhaps, but do you really think those Hillary supporters will be swayed by it?
Those who call themselves Hillary supporters who are going to vote McCain, never were really Hillary supporters or democrats to begin with, IMHO.
They are probably all Limbaugh dittoheads following his orders to try to get Hillary the nomination, so the Republinuts could use their canned talking points.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pmI guess you mean the 75% of people who are on welfare who are also single white women with no fathers either.....just because someone sings about it doesn't mean they have the market cornered.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pmDaryll Says:
I’ll be here thanking God for hiw wonderous works (Sen. McCain’s victory). What will you be doing, running to the U.K. or Canada?
You know if you get any more predictions wrong, the Christians that post here are going to have to follow the bible and stone you to death for being a false prophet, don't you?
Oh, wait, lucky for you we don't follow biblical law, but rather we have a secular law system.....
August 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm"Corporate America won’t get to vote in November, but the racists will."
And that's unfortunate for BOTH sides.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pmTracy__5 Says: It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
I assume that you, in your racist way, mean poor black people. No, it wasn't for them. They either won't vote or will vote for Obama because he isn't a racist.
It was for people like you who think that black people are in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women
So, what did you think?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pmTracy__5 Says:
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
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Do you have any polls or other statistics to back up your assertion that the hip hop community supports fathers dumping children or gangbanging or "degrating" of women (I'll assume that this is some sort of exfoliation treatment)?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm"...just because someone sings about it doesn’t mean they have the market cornered."
Yeah but for some reason they sure have a strong pull on those young people who might eventually have childern.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pmTracy__5 fingers (hey, why the extra "_"?),
Showing once again his racist views.
Hey, Trace, golfed with any "black" friends lately?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pmDiscussed around the office of your $500,000 a year architect job why single mothers earning an education are non contributors to society?
Those are my favorite stories.
unbelievable Says,
"I didn’t miss the talking heads at all."
I made the mistake of staring with CNN... they showed all of John Legend's music performance, but quickly went back to Wolf and Anderson when there was an actual speaker (Pelosi, I think) to talk about how "liberal" she is and then to ask Tim Kaine how he felt about Obama not selecting him as VP... like a couple of tabloid "journalists".
Then I discovered the DNC08 channel that Dish network is providing with a live-feed only and never turned back.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pmMy expressionon of disbelief matched my 18-year-old son's when, following Juan Williams' appraisal, William Kristol could not bring himself to say a single positive comment -- not one.
When I mentioned this to my husband, who had left the room when I switched to hear Fox's comments, said:
"Why do you let it upset you that the sun rises in the east, sets in the west, and Fox news won't compliment a Democrat? That's why I can't stand to even listen to them."
August 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pmI knew McSame dumped his first wife and called his second a trollopy c**t but I didn't realize he was also a gangbanger.
Thanks for the tip, Tracy.
By the way, I think it's an outrage that you're not higher than Level 5. I plan on dropping a line to TP to put in a good word for you.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm"I assume that you, in your racist way, mean poor black people. No, it wasn’t for them. They either won’t vote or will vote for Obama because he isn’t a racist."
A. I am not racist. B. I am referring to all races. and C. Yes everyone that listens to the hip hop garbage of 50 Cent and Ludicous, needs to listen to Michelle in what she was talking about, i.e. a strong family and a father that takes care of his family. Did you even hear her speech? I doesn't sound like it.
"So, what did you think?"
I think your statments are very much bigoted and ignorant.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pmMaybe you should listen to some of it. Fact is that it does not condone it. They sing for some of the same reasons that singers have done it through the ages. To deride and explain the consequenses of inequality.
I guess you think they should stick to gospel.
your racism is showing below your skirt.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pmTracy__5 Says:
Yeah but for some reason they sure have a strong pull on those young people who might eventually have childern.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
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Interesting assertion. Do you have any studies or evidence showing a conclusive causational link between hip hop music and gangbanging and exfoliation?
I'd be very curious to see that, as well as any studies that link country music to higher divorce rates and dogs running away. And studies linking progressive rock to drag racing in Canada and painting fences. And studies that link blues music to no-good doneys to other mules kicking in people's stalls.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pmFred Says:
"Daryll’s prediction is good news….he has always been wrong….on everything."
Is it...could it be...is Daryll... Bill Krystol??
August 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pmTracy__5 Says: Yeah but for some reason they sure have a strong pull on those young people who might eventually have childern.
Actually, white middle class boys are their biggest audience.
Your steretype is a much smaller percent of the black population than you realize. Out of all my students who are black, only one has a child out of wedlock, which he supports.
Most of my students who are black (most of them) are upstanding citizens who have more in common with you than you realize.
Maybe if you bothered to join reality, you might already know this.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pmJust curious, Trace; if you were "talking about all races", then why bring up hip hop in connection with Michelle Obama's speech?
She didn't say anything about hip hop.
What is it that the artists you mention have in common with Michelle Obama?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pmThat explains your reference to hip hop & gangbangers, right?
You are a racist my friend.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pmWilliams displayed some real human emotion -- but his handlers at Fox will be sure to let him know that it better not happen again.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pmTracy, what do you think of McCain getting Daddy Yankee's endorsement? You're going to condemn him right? or is it okay for a Republican to get an endorsement from such an artist?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Corporate America won’t get to vote in November, but the racists will.”
And that’s unfortunate for BOTH sides.
Because this troll would rather that all the corporate shills and all the racists vote for Mc'Cain. Well, it will get it's wish. Unfortunately for it, there won't be enough of them to win the election.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pmTracy__5 Says: A. I am not racist.
Your actions speak otherwise.
I think your statments are very much bigoted and ignorant.
I meant about Michelle Obama's speech. I don't care what you think about me since you think Bush is a good President.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm"Do you have any polls or other statistics to back up your assertion that the hip hop community supports fathers dumping children or gangbanging or “degrating” of women (I’ll assume that this is some sort of exfoliation treatment)?"
I have some songs you need to listen to that would qualify as evidence. BTW if those in the hip hop community, and I am talking about the music industury here i.e the producers, actually did care about those things they wouldn't promote this garbage.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pmTracy__5fingers Says:
A. I am not racist. B. I am referring to all races. and C. Yes everyone that listens to the hip hop garbage of 50 Cent and Ludicous, needs to listen to Michelle in what she was talking about
August 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pmA. You're a racist.
B. You were not referring to all races.
C. I, on occasion, listen to 50 Cent and D12. So?
D. Care to explain why the additional "_" to your name?
Tracy__5 Says:
A. I am not racist.
There it is Tracist. The three most common declarations of a racist are:
"One of my best friends is black."
"I don't see color."
and
"I am not a racist."
You have hit the trifecta.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm"Maybe you should listen to some of it. Fact is that it does not condone it."
I think that maybe you should...
http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=99584
"To deride and explain the consequenses of inequality."
Many do and many don't.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pmThe die-hard, stubborn, selfish Clintonites who refuse to acknowledge their loss and do not turn their support to Obama and the Democratic party have lost me entirely.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pmIpreferred Obama, yes, but had Hillary won - which looked pretty likely at times - I certainly would have voted for her.
I believe that I will ever vote Republican for the rest of my life. After closely observing how they do business and what are their priorities, why would I ever vote for a republican? They are against everything that is close to my heart.
A sore loser is just that - a loser - in every sense of the word. They would sooner throw out the baby with the bath water than accept the reality.
They are dead to me.
And if Hillary doesn't demonstrate a sincere and successful effort to bring her wayward supporters into place, she will be held responsible for the consequences - she and Bill, who appears to be more childish than she.
I believe that I will NEVER VOT REPUBLICAN.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pmtYPO -- SORRY.
vote.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pmTracy__5fingers says:
I have some songs you need to listen to that would qualify as evidence.
Oh oh. I've read Stephen King books when I was younger, and have a twisted liking of Zombie genre movies.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pmDoes that make me a murderer?
Tracy__5 Says:
“Unfortunately, her speech wasn’t for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being.”
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
At least we now know Tracy's bigoted side, out front and center.
To take the only candidate and his family who are STILL a family, and not like McCain's dumping of his first to suck up to his second's fortune, it is laughable.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm"By the way, I think it’s an outrage that you’re not higher than Level 5. I plan on dropping a line to TP to put in a good word for you."
I will do the same for you.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pmgarbage to you.....a footnote about real life events to others......got censorship?
You have some nerve criticizing somones music just because you see it as "black" music.
deadbeat dads are mostly......white. You should drop this now because you can't back up your ridiculous claims.
you are a racist my friend.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pmAugust 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Tracy__5 Says:
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“Corporate America won’t get to vote in November, but the racists will.”
Of course you will. The Republicans don't stop white people from voting.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThanks, Trace. For a racist, you're okay sometimes.
By the way, you never answered me: since you were "talking about all races", what do the artists you mentioned have in common with Michelle Obama that caused you to associate them with her speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pmRove's response is typical and revealing: it seems that you must APPEAR to love America even though you are destroying its citizens' civil rights and destroying the economy and destroying the lives of our military. Just wave that flag a little higher and drown out the dissent with cries of anti-patriotism. This is the best he can do? What kind of political 'genius' is this?
Would someone please shut him up?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pmTracy_____5fingers says:
I have some songs you need to listen to that would qualify as evidence. BTW if those in the hip hop community, and I am talking about the music industury here i.e the producers, actually did care about those things they wouldn’t promote this garbage.
Yet, you purchased those same songs that the producers were promoting.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pmOOPS!
Hypocrisy, thy sting doth hurt!
Tracy__5 Says: BTW if those in the hip hop community, and I am talking about the music industury here i.e the producers, actually did care about those things they wouldn’t promote this garbage.
Try it this way, and see why we think you are a racist (you hold black Capitalists to a compete different standard than white Capitalists):
August 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I wouldn't pay too much attention to that 27% number. Word from the convention is that the media has completely overblown the PUMA thing to create controversy. Here's a good way to put that 27% number in perspective: go to any of the PUMA sites and see how many people have signed their on-line petitions.
At "Togetherforus.org" for example, they have now reached 9,000 signers after being up for 2 months! 9,000 is 5 one-hundredth of a percentage point of the 18 million who cast their votes for Clinton.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pmSo Karl Rove thinks that Michelle Obama could have done better on saying "I love America".
August 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pmMakes me wonder how Karl would have said it or whether or not he has ever said it, how passionately he said it, etc.
Tracy__5 Says:
I have some songs you need to listen to that would qualify as evidence. BTW if those in the hip hop community, and I am talking about the music industury here i.e the producers, actually did care about those things they wouldn’t promote this garbage.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
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Country music has a long history of promoting domestic violence, from Reba McEntire's "The Stairs" to Martina McBride's "Independence Day" to the Dixie Chicks' "Goodbye Earl." Do you think Michele Hussein Obama was talking to these country music fans as well?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm#
Tracy__5 Says:
“Unfortunately, her speech wasn’t for us, it was for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia who needed to hear that the black person running for President is a human being.”
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
Or the NASCAR community, or the old mill-town community, or basically anyone from an economically depressed area you twit. Why stoop to racism?
August 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pmTracy can't say that he thought Michelle Obama's speech was amazing. LOL
August 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTracy__1785 sez:
If we let these kids listen to this Chamber music and dance their 'Waltzing' way - SOCIETY IS DOOMED!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pmbe a gangbanger, and degrate women
Notice how Michelle Obama has far more credibility than John McCain to speak on the matter.
August 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pmYou know if you get any more predictions wrong, the Christians that post here are going to have to follow the bible and stone you to death for being a false prophet, don’t you?
Oh, wait, lucky for you we don’t follow biblical law, but rather we have a secular law system…..
Actually, the idea of stoning a false prophet to death is Old Testament, specifically Deuteronomy 13. Stoning, of course, was a favored way of killing people who broke a number of O.T. laws. Jesus, however, when a crowd of people were about to stone a prostitute to death told them that "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." Naturally, they all dropped their stones and left the scene. Those religious people who try to tie Old Testament punishments to Christianity deny Christ. That defines the term "antichrist."
Daryll is no prophet, but he IS more than a sheep who has gone astray, because he tries to teach his misperception, and in doing so, is quite capable to leading others astray.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pmI would compare tracy to jk but jk has enough sense to know his lies and bs will be shot down and so he runs and hides immediatly.
Tracy on the other hand has to be slapped with it after giving it a mediocre at best attempt.
You just can't support those kinds of lies among thinking people tracy....stick to a blog where they think like you do and you might not feel so bad.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pmTracy__5 Says:
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
Speaking of degrading women, does anyone know how Cindy McCain did in the striptese contest John entered her in at the Harley rally?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm"Interesting assertion. Do you have any studies or evidence showing a conclusive causational link between hip hop music and gangbanging"
Do lyrics count?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pmOf note, I watched up to the Kennedy tribute and speech and feel like a total idiot for missing Michelle's speech, having read the raving reviews. Was it the final speech of the night?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm"Or the NASCAR community, or the old mill-town community, or basically anyone from an economically depressed area you twit. Why stoop to racism?"
I agree.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pmFred Says:
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You just can’t support those kinds of lies among thinking people tracy….
I always wonder what his "best friend who is black" thinks about it.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says: Jesus, however, when a crowd of people were about to stone a prostitute to death told them that “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
Unfortunately, Jesus also strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17
August 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pmYou might as well give it up dummy. Lyrics are open to interpretation. We already know how you read them.....no that don't count for, well, anything really.
I will refer you to most any C&W lyrics. Please compare and return with your....I almost said honest.....biased opinion. Maybe that should be bigoted but it sounds so coarse.....and it is.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Interesting assertion. Do you have any studies or evidence showing a conclusive causational link between hip hop music and gangbanging”
Do lyrics count?
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You missed the key words STUDIES EVIDENCE CONCLUSIVE and CAUSATIONAL you little jerk!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm"Actually, white middle class boys are their biggest audience."
I know I have a step son at Brush Creek in Oklahoma that listens or attempt to listen to
"Most of my students who are black (most of them) are upstanding citizens who have more in common with you than you realize.
Maybe if you bothered to join reality, you might already know this."
I realize it as much or more than you do, but somehow I think that you and others here can't seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pmCan people who support McCain really be committed to "not denegrating women?" Isn't he the guy who called his wife a c*nt for mentioning his thinning hairline?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pmTracy__5 Says: Do lyrics count?
You have to show cause and direct affect. Lyrics alone are your presumed cause. Now show a viable link.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pmIs this an apology for your racism or are you just a glutton for punishment. Your posts do not reflect that you "agree".
August 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
Many do and many don’t.
How so?
Care to explain?
- Michael
August 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pmTracy__1955 sez:
If we let kid's listen to this Elvis's "rock" music and dance this "Twist" with their hips all a flyin' - SOCIETY IS DOOMED!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Interesting assertion. Do you have any studies or evidence showing a conclusive causational link between hip hop music and gangbanging”
Do lyrics count?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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No. I'd like to see something that shows that lyrics actually influence behavior. Just posting lyrics you find objectionable is really not scientific proof.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pmTracist swerves-
I realize it as much or more than you do, but somehow I think that you and others here can’t seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
Huh? This is a non-sequitor Tracy. What does the fact that there are black conservatives have to do with your racist lumping in of gangstas and Michelle Obama have to do with that?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pmTracy__5 Says: I realize it as much or more than you do, but somehow I think that you and others here can’t seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
Uh, I live in Georgia. Yes, some blacks are conservative. Some are also wealthy, educated, married, home owners and a host of other adjectives that you only reserve for white people.
Why can't you admit Michelle Obama's speech was outstanding?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pmThis makes no sense at all.
Since you revel in the inane I will be done with you and flag all of your posts for their obvious racist overtones.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pmTracy, do you really think liberals are moronic enough not to understand that some African Americans are conservative? What would you call Clarence Thomas, Condolezza Rice and Colin Powell? And, do you think we've forgotten them?
It's not that they don't exist, it's that they are irrelevant, just like "PUMA's". They're what statisticians call "outliers." Over 92% of all African American voters will vote for Obama this year whether or not they view themselves as conservative. PUMA's represent much less than 1% of the people who cast their primary votes for Clinton.
Centering political arguments around black conservatives or PUMA's is just clowning around.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pmTracy__________5fingers says:
... but somehow I think that you and others here can’t seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
Whoa. Trace, being cornered with bigoted accusations, defends himself my calling "us" racist?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously, that is some funny $hit.
Colin Powell.
Condeleeza Rice.
What? They're not liberals? When did that happen?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Tracy__5 Says:
I realize it as much or more than you do, but somehow I think that you and others here can’t seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
Yeah, and some gay people are Republicans.
Just like white straight people, if they are not in the top 5% in income, they're dumbasses. Which are you, Tracist?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pmFred Says:
Tracy__5 Says:
I think that you and others here can’t seem bring yourself to believe some black people are actually conservative.
This makes no sense at all.
Since you revel in the inane I will be done with you and flag all of your posts for their obvious racist overtones.
I strongly agree. Tracy doesn't even know when to throw in the towel (or sheet and hood as the case may be) and starts throwing more crapola around to see if any of it sticks.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm"Just curious, Trace; if you were “talking about all races”, then why bring up hip hop in connection with Michelle Obama’s speech?"
"What is it that the artists you mention have in common with Michelle Obama?"
Absolutely nothing. That's the point. I thought that those in the hip hop community, i.e. those that promote and write the "music" that degrades women, would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle's speech. They might learn something and stop putting $$$ ahead of what is right.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pmTracy is deeply troubled by rap lyrics. But, I'm guessing he has no problem with Toby Keith singing about putting a boot up peoples' asses and how wonderful lynching is.
Would you like some beer for your horses, Tracy?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pmVery interesting topic today!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Just curious, Trace; if you were “talking about all races”, then why bring up hip hop in connection with Michelle Obama’s speech?”
“What is it that the artists you mention have in common with Michelle Obama?”
Absolutely nothing. That’s the point. I thought that those in the hip hop community, i.e. those that promote and write the “music” that degrades women, would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle’s speech. They might learn something and stop putting $$$ ahead of what is right
Nice try but you aren't wriggling out of this one Tracy. What all of a sudden makes the "hip hop community" a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? It isn't and you wouldn't.
You've shown your hand. You're thinly veiled "cover" was blown loooonnnng ago. The first step to recovery is admission of guilt, maybe you're aren't an overt racist, but racism is the only thing that would make you link two things that you yourself claimed have nothing at all in common.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pmTracy: "That’s the point. I thought that those in the hip hop community, i.e. those that promote and write the “music” that degrades women, would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle’s speech."
I completely agree with that, but I would point out that members of the hip hop community have been fighting misogyny for years now. You wouldn't want me to use Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh as examples of accepted conservative speech right now, would you? So, why look for misogyny in rap and then paint the entire form with that broad brush?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm"Your actions speak otherwise."
Present some evidence that I am racist.
"I meant about Michelle Obama’s speech. I don’t care what you think about me since you think Bush is a good President."
Another bigoted and ignorant statment. Care to go for three? Do I agree with some of Bush's policies...yes. Do I agree with all of them....no.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pmWhy do you think it has the number 5 after it's name.....it's just like jason but in the form of a mosquito.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pmTracy__395 B.C. sez:
If we let these kids listen to this 'Socrates' and hang out on our most excellent steps and columns- SOCIETY IS DOOMED!!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pmTracy__5 Says:
Absolutely nothing. That’s the point. I thought that those in the hip hop community, i.e. those that promote and write the “music” that degrades women, would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle’s speech. They might learn something and stop putting $$$ ahead of what is right.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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What about country musicians who write about domestic violence? Do you not think that the people who promote domestic violence through their music should also listen to Michelle's speech and learn something?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pmyour, you're...argh!!! my grammar suffers when i'm being patronized by a bigot.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pmuh, read through the thread....do you usually try to get other people to defend you when you do something stupid?
prove otherwise yourself fool. Oh yeah, you can't.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pmTweedster Says:
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You’ve shown your hand. You’re thinly veiled “cover” was blown loooonnnng ago. The first step to recovery is admission of guilt, maybe you’re aren’t an overt racist, but racism is the only thing that would make you link two things that you yourself claimed have nothing at all in common.
I agree that Tracist may not be an overt racist. After all, he does have an invisible black best friend.
Many racists don't know they are racist, they just are. In the same way, a lizard doesn't know it's a lizard, it just is.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pmTracy__5 Says: Present some evidence that I am racist.
Your posts here today.
Another bigoted and ignorant statment. Care to go for three? Do I agree with some of Bush’s policies…yes. Do I agree with all of them….no.
Thanks for making MY point. LOL
Why won't you just answer my question about Michelle Obama's speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:31 pmA. You’re a racist.
You have no evidence
B. You were not referring to all races.
Yes I was.
C. I, on occasion, listen to 50 Cent and D12. So?
So do I, and think it's total garbage. So?
D. Care to explain why the additional “_” to your name?
The TP police and their biased censorship.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pmbelac Says:
If we let these kids listen to this ‘Socrates’ and hang out on our most excellent steps and columns- SOCIETY IS DOOMED!!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
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Strange things are afoot at the Circle Kappa
August 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pmshoeless Says:
I agree that Tracist may not be an overt racist. After all, he does have an invisible black best friend.
Many racists don’t know they are racist, they just are. In the same way, a lizard doesn’t know it’s a lizard, it just is.
Isn't strange how long time members of the GOP begin to look lizard-like? Good Ole Boy Strom Thurmond (now worm food), HW Bushie and Jr., McLame? Downright creepy...
August 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pmTracy - What all of a sudden makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pmTracy__5 Says:
flagged for canoodling excesivly.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm"Does that make me a murderer?"
No but I am sure you had a parent or mentor that taught you that it's wrong. Many of these kids don't have anyone.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pmOy. The thickness is strong with this one.
Wrong, Tracist. Those artists have one very obvious thing in common with Michelle Obama; their race.
For you to try to claim that they have "absolutely nothing" in common, and that your only motivation in linking them is that it "would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle’s speech" is patently absurd and a poor cover for your racist intent.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:37 pm“I meant about Michelle Obama’s speech. I don’t care what you think about me since you think Bush is a good President.”
Another bigoted and ignorant statment.
unbelievable making it clear she won't be swayed by racists is "bigoted and ignorant."
???
Excuse my french, but you are ass backwards.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pmTracy - What all of a sudden makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? Well?
August 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm"Juan Williams tears up after Michelle Obama speech: ‘It’s unbelievable’"
Spare me. Juan Williams is as phony as a 4 dollar bill. First, Juan bags on Obama on race and Rev. Wright. And because Michelle shined last night at the DNC in Denver, all of the sudden he is all broken in tears after Michelle's speech. As much as I can't stand the clown, Juan was right: Michelle was awesome.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pmTracy, I want to hear you condemn McCain for accepting Daddy Yankee's endorsement. At least Malkin was consistent on this issue, although I don't really care to give her credit. Please show your consistency here.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pmTracy - put the shovel down, you've dug the hole deep enough...moron.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pmTracist_5 says
“Does that make me a murderer?”
No but I am sure you had a parent or mentor that taught you that it’s wrong. Many of these kids don’t have anyone.
WHAT????
August 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pmReading Steven King books and watching late night Zombie movies is "wrong"?
Well, who the hell died and made you king?
McWars Says: Excuse my french, but you are ass backwards.
When I was in my mid-twenties, I had this acquaintance who was a de hard Republican. He used to like to provoke two friends of mine who were liberal by making some absurd statement for which he had no evidence or logic. They always cleaned the floor with him because they did. It was funny how the guy always started making up crap when he was losing.
Tracy is just like that. He doesn't know why he believes what he believes, he just believes what he's been told is the 'right way to think', which is why he is getting decimated in here, but refuses to accept it, because that would mean admitting that he is wrong.
I suggest he stay out of here until he bothers to actually learn anything. He can't win with conservative nonsense when reality has a liberal bias, and the people who post here are so much more knowledgable and logical than he can comprehend.
Gotta run! Enjoy the rest of the troll bar-be-que without me :)
August 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pmTracy want to live peacefully thinking that all the impovershed and victims of race need is one good role model. Of course colin or condi don't count obviously....not if you want good moral role models that is.
Tracy believes on the other hand that they have had boot straps for some years now and willfully refuse to use them.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm#98
"garbage to you…..a footnote about real life events to others……got censorship?"
Not all of it's garbage. BTW I grew up listening to Dre and Snoop, Warren G, Ice Cube, ect... in highschool, but I also had, thank God parents that taught me right from wrong. I still have the CDs.
"You have some nerve criticizing somones music just because you see it as “black” music."
When did I EVER say that I see hip hop as "black" music? I do believe I hear a racist tone in YOUR comment.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pmNo but I am sure you had a parent or mentor that taught you that it’s wrong. Many of these kids don’t have anyone.
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How our children crave wingnut parents. I guess E.D. Hill's new book on parenting (I'm Not Your Friend, I'm Your Parent: Helping Your Children Set the Boundaries They Need, 2008) is the parent we all need. After all, she's on TV teaching her kids creativity with her patented invention of the TERRORIST FIST BUMP.
But hey, you can give people the illusion you're a great parent if you put your ankles behind your head and crank out eight kids.
Far-right parents tend to create two types of kids: Toadies who can't think for themselves, and the rebelious types.
August 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pmRight on, Unb.
You've done your housecleaning for the day (no pun intended). Take care!
August 26th, 2008 at 2:58 pmTracy__5 Says:
tracist likes the charlie brown role......why's everybody always pickin on me.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pmTracy - What all of a sudden makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? Well?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm#101
"By the way, you never answered me: since you were “talking about all races”, what do the artists you mentioned have in common with Michelle Obama that caused you to associate them with her speech?"
Absolutely, nothing for the second time.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pmgood_golly8 Says:
It’s too bad the real Michelle Obama didn’t show up to speak in her real, bitter, first time proud style. Instead, they sent the rehearsed, Stepford Wife version.
Whatever goof_goony...
I wonder how many oxy's Cindy will pop before her big speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pmNice work, Trace. You just destroyed the flimsy argument you tried to make that hip hop was responsible for "fathers abandoning their kids, gangbanging and degrate women".
Why does exposing the limits of your intellect entertain you?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:10 pmthis thread has gone 170+ posts because on two inane trolls. I'm flagging both of them and no longer responding to thier charactor attacks with no facts.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm#104
"Try it this way, and see why we think you are a racist (you hold black Capitalists to a compete different standard than white Capitalists):
BTW if those in the Corporate American community, and I am talking about the Oil industury here i.e the CEOs, actually did care about those things they wouldn’t promote this garbage (polluting fossil fuels)."
That is the most unconnected irrelevant attempt is have ever seen. I expected more from you unbelievable.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:12 pmYou didn't. You were very careful to claim that 50 Cent and Ludicris had "absolutely nothing" in common with Michelle Obama, a statement which is patently absurd.
It's a very common trick, Tracy, and never very effective -- make a statement that is clearly but not overtly racist, then accuse others of being racists when they identify the racist element in your statement.
Over-used and lazy, Tracy. Try something else.
Maybe badminton. Maybe you'd be good at badminton.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pmTracy, until you bring some game, you have no right to be disappointed in anyone else here. Least of all our friend unbelievable.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm"Do you think Michele Hussein Obama was talking to these country music fans as well?"
Sure. As well as those who listen to Slop Knot, Metallica, Stained, God Smack, ect...
August 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm"Tracy can’t say that he thought Michelle Obama’s speech was amazing. LOL"
It was absolutely amazing which I why I can't believe you would be so ignorant as to think that it was only for the KKK rednecks in Appalachia.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pmfunny, you get your clock cleaned and still try to claim victory.......is your real name bush?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:19 pmIs it possible for anyone to be critical of the Obamas without being labeled a racist?
Yes.
Is it possible for anyone to be critical of McCain without hearing about how he was a POW?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pmJust another of the MANY reasons Juan Williams should quit Fox News!!!
How can a person be a commentator on Fox News and National Public Radio at the same???
Makes no sense!!
August 26th, 2008 at 3:25 pmLet me re-phrase...
Is it possible for any SANE person to be positive about McCain?
No.
Can you be critical of the Obamas without asking why they weren't more critical of Rap music?
No? Then that's racist...
August 26th, 2008 at 3:26 pmNot until you quit attacking based on race. Put down the rope and we'll talk.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:28 pmgood_golly8 Says:
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Is it possible for anyone to be critical of the Obamas without being labeled a racist?
Sure, but it seems to be impossible to be a racist without criticizing the Obamas.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pmgood_golly8 Says:
Instead, they sent the rehearsed, Stepford Wife version.
What the hell was Laura Bush doing at the Democratic Convention?
August 26th, 2008 at 3:32 pmSo you have nothing and just want to poke us with a stick......flagged.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:32 pmThe Dogfather Says:
Katy — please tell me that that word should have been “tear”… Otherwise, I may start checking for my pulse… ;o)
L O L ...
omg! i just saw that! yes, of course - i meant TEAR!
really blows the effectiveness of my comment... ah well...
i'm very preoccupied today... sit for a break occasionally...
i won't bother to read any further as i see the parodyll showed up and that means a degraded conversation...
August 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pmOh, Gigi, you poor, deluded soul.
Faux doesn't lead the ratings because it's "Fair & Balanced™".
It leads the ratings because it spoon-feeds an ignorant demographic exactly what it wants to hear. Like they say, "Give the people what they want, and they'll buy it."
The sad thing is that so few people really seem to want clear-eyed, unbiased news coverage. Or, at least, the corporate media is unwilling to try it out.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pmgood_golly8 Says:
Is it possible for anyone to be critical of the Obamas without being labeled a racist?
Goof_Goony, you can't run buddy!!! You'll get smacked down all the time on here, because you just spew trash!!!
When people throw up racist innuendos, they get called on it, why can't your puny under-developed brain pick up on that???
You're as smart as McLame's $500 loafers, you lil jerk!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pmgood_golly8 Says:
It’s too bad the real Michelle Obama didn’t show up to speak in her real, bitter, first time proud style. Instead, they sent the rehearsed, Stepford Wife version.
ROTFL!! So you're PISSED that she didn't show up and SOUND LIKE YOU DO EVERY TIME YOU POST HERE? ROTFL!! HYSTERICAL!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 3:52 pm"No. I’d like to see something that shows that lyrics actually influence behavior. Just posting lyrics you find objectionable is really not scientific proof."
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119962619/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
August 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pmTracy, unless you'd like to get a smackdown of EPIC proportions, why not answer the following: What, all of a sudden, makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? Well?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:00 pm"But, I’m guessing he has no problem with Toby Keith singing about putting a boot up peoples’ asses and how wonderful lynching is."
Same thing and no I don't have the album.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm#155
"Wrong, Tracist. Those artists have one very obvious thing in common with Michelle Obama; their race."
And YOUR reason for pointing out that is?
"For you to try to claim that they have “absolutely nothing” in common, and that your only motivation in linking them is that it “would do them good to listen to listen to Michelle’s speech” is patently absurd and a poor cover for your racist intent.
Another unqualified opinion and this time you displayed your utter bigotry.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pmTracy,
What made the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:11 pmTracy,
So what made the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pm"Tracy - What all of a sudden makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race? Would you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? Well?"
I listened to unbelievable's bigoted comment about people in Apalachia and it prompted me to point out a huge problem that some hip hop music brings to young people who think that it's cool to listnen to people like 50 Cent.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:18 pmTracy says
I listened to unbelievable’s bigoted comment about people in Apalachia and it prompted me to point out a huge problem that some hip hop music brings to young people who think that it’s cool to listnen to people like 50 Cent.
Thanks for the answer...
So you acknowledge that you used implied racist language as a counter to unbelievable's bigotted remark?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:21 pm#139
"hat all of a sudden makes the “hip hop community” a prescient and relevant topic to this particular presidential race?"
See previous post #200
"ould you have said the same thing if Cindy McCain were making a speech? It isn’t and you wouldn’t."
If unbelievable wouldn't have made a bigoted comment I probably wouldn't have posted in the first place, but then again I have seen many bigoted comments in this thread.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:31 pm"So, why look for misogyny in rap and then paint the entire form with that broad brush?"
That is why I said many NOT all.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:32 pm#147
"I agree that Tracist may not be an overt racist. After all, he does have an invisible black best friend."
And I agree that shoeless is an abject liar.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:37 pm#161
"WHAT????
Reading Steven King books and watching late night Zombie movies is “wrong”?
Well, who the hell died and made you king?"
No, murdering is wrong. Keep up here.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:40 pm#162
"...which is why he is getting decimated in here, but refuses to accept it, because that would mean admitting that he is wrong."
Wrong about what? I provided study like you asked.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:46 pmMy reason for pointing this out is that you linked them together to make some confused point, and THEN claimed there was no connection between them.
I know you non-racists "don't see color" so it's probably just a coincidence that a riveting speech by the wife of the first African-American major party nominee for president, is linked in your post to two prominent African-American rap artists?
If you expect anyone here to buy that, Trace, you're even dumber than I thought you were. And I already thought you were dumber than a bag of hair.
Not really sure by what you mean by "unqualified" opinion. Should I get some academic certification? Do you only accept as qualified opinions that say what you want to hear? Or is that just a reflexive epithet you throw out there to discredit someone without doing any of the hard work of actually demonstrating the flaws in their opinion?
And then, of course, Tracy makes yet one more attempt to obscure his own bigotry by accusing others of the flaw by which he is defined.
Still a tired act, Trace. Still lazy, still not working. Try something else.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:47 pm"Far-right parents tend to create two types of kids: Toadies who can’t think for themselves, and the rebelious types."
And the bigoted ignorant comments come continue to flow from you guys. Keep 'em comming.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pmThat's funny. Tracy gets lapped five times on the track of logical progression, and as the field is coming up behind him for the sixth time, he shouts over his shoulder to "Keep up here!"
Classic.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pmTracy, I know it bugs you that I keep busting in on your little game of waiting until the thread is quiet before you sneak back and make (what are for you) clever retorts to everyone, so you can then tell yourself that you had the last word, but honestly, it's pretty transparent, dude. Not to mention childish.
The previous opinion has been qualified by the American Dental Association.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:52 pmEvery time troll tracy appears, the threads get personal and incoherent. Can we just report her/him and get TP to remove this crapper.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:53 pm#172
"Nice work, Trace. You just destroyed the flimsy argument you tried to make that hip hop was responsible for “fathers abandoning their kids, gangbanging and degrate women”."
Considering many kids who do listnen to hip hop like Ludacris don't have fathers and have not been taught that raising and providing for your childern is important just reinforces my argument. And you tell me to pay attention. LOL!
August 26th, 2008 at 4:57 pmHi Tracy_5
August 26th, 2008 at 4:58 pmHow come middle aged white dudes never claim that watching the Three Stooges turned them into weird aggressive screwups?
August 26th, 2008 at 4:59 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I agree that Tracist may not be an overt racist. After all, he does have an invisible black best friend.”
And I agree that shoeless is an abject liar.
Why do you deny that one of your best friends is black?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:00 pm#175
"You were very careful to claim that 50 Cent and Ludicris had “absolutely nothing” in common with Michelle Obama, a statement which is patently absurd."
I was referring to their backgrounds and how they were raised which is what Michelle's ENTIRE speech was about, i.e. how she worked hard played by the rules and became sucessful. YOU are the one who is once again pointing out their race.
"...make a statement that is clearly but not overtly racist, then accuse others of being racists when they identify the racist element in your statement."
There is no racist element in my statement(s). Others here are just being obsurdly politically correct plain and simple.
"Over-used and lazy, Tracy. Try something else."
Yeah right, you are just being bigoted.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:05 pmPay attention now, kids! Here's a good lesson on how not to debate:
Tracy claims "many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women" and that they should listen to Michelle Obama's speech so that they will stop destroying their community.
Then Tracy claims that he grew up listening to the same kind of hip hop, but didn't become a gangbanger because he had parents who taught him right from wrong, thus destorying his argument that hip hop damages communities.
THEN Tracy somehow convinces himself (or maybe he doesn't convince himself; maybe he's just saying shit that makes no sense to himself, let alone anyone else) that he has somehow PROVED his point that hip hop damages communities because he didn't become a gangbanger even though he listened to hip hop.
And as we speak, there are little cartoon bluebirds circling Tracy's skull, whistling.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:09 pm"Tracy, until you bring some game, you have no right to be disappointed in anyone else here. Least of all our friend unbelievable."
I have already pointed out that you haven't provided ANY evidence that I am racist and neither has unbelievable. What else do you need to prove that you are a liar?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:09 pmWhen I asked you what they had in common with Michelle Obama, you said "absolutely nothing" yet you have never explained why then you linked them with her.
The possibility exists that you have no coherent train of thought (if you do, you're certainly keeping it to yourself) but most people, when they make a connection between two people or two groups of people, they have an easily discernible reason.
You had none. And you as much as said that it was a coincidence that both Mrs. Obama and the two artists you mentioned were black. Now you claim it was their "background". What does that mean in this context?
It's been explained to you ad nauseum what was racist about it. You're obviously either too stupid to recognize it, or you're deliberately fighting the realization.
Nope. You already tried that. Try something ELSE this time.
Sheesh.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:16 pmTracy, the evidence is in your statements, and it is legion here at TP. Your patterns are well known and your attitudes are clear.
Just because you pretend not to understand what everyone points out about your posts doesn't mean that we're lying or that we haven't produced any evidence.
My question is, why are you here?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:18 pmralph, maybe Tracist is here because his invisible black friend told him to talk to progressives in an effort to get him to see how racist he is.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:42 pm#207
"My reason for pointing this out is that you linked them together to make some confused point, and THEN claimed there was no connection between them."
Confused point? How is pointing out that Michelle's speech is something many in the hip hop music community may want to pay attention to confused?
"I know you non-racists “don’t see color”"
I can't believe you are still dragging that crap up...STILL. I said I don't see color as a litmus test when I choose my friend and you guys CONTINUE to lie and distort about what I ment. Why is that?
"...so it’s probably just a coincidence that a riveting speech by the wife of the first African-American major party nominee for president, is linked in your post to two prominent African-American rap artists?"
Why do you continue to ignore the real reason I mentioned hip hop i.e. unbelieveable's bigoted comment about rednecks? Again your bigotry is blinding you and making you see things that are not there.
"If you expect anyone here to buy that, Trace, you’re even dumber than I thought you were."
I wouldn't expect a bunch of ignorant bigots, which your are a part of, to see the truth.
"Not really sure by what you mean by “unqualified” opinion. Should I get some academic certification?"
You are trying to make an irrational connection/link, with ZERO evidence BTW, to something that fits your bigoted view of me.
"And then, of course, Tracy makes yet one more attempt to obscure his own bigotry by accusing others of the flaw by which he is defined."
You are the bigot making the false accusations.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:57 pm#207
"Do you only accept as qualified opinions that say what you want to hear?"
I expect to hear some actual evidence, not false innuendo.
"Or is that just a reflexive epithet you throw out there to discredit someone without doing any of the hard work of actually demonstrating the flaws in their opinion"
When their opinion is unsubstanciated like your is, it is a correct rebuttal.
August 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pmIt bugs me when folks who nevver substantiate their own thoughts gripe of others...
August 26th, 2008 at 6:09 pm"I wouldn’t expect a bunch of ignorant bigots, which your are a part of, to see the truth."
Those that think they know "truth" are both misquided and self indulgent...
August 26th, 2008 at 6:11 pmTracy~
Good on ya for tackling the pressing social issues of our times at the root... RAP MUSIC.
Bum, bum, bah buuummmm....
If we could eliminate the scourge of rap music from our society everything would be perfect, like it was in the 1970's before rap came along.
August 26th, 2008 at 6:31 pmI blame the "hair bands" for all the misdeeds of all that white trash... Come on feel the noise....
August 26th, 2008 at 6:38 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
No less immature than Hillary swift-boating Howard Dean in 2004 so she could run in 2008
http://www.democracynow.org/ 2008/ 8/ 25/ rick_macarthur_you_cant_be_president
it occurred to me - who was the dem party chairman at that time?
Terence Richard "Terry" McAuliffe (b. February 9, 1957) is an American businessman and political consultant. He served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) from 2001-05. He was the chairman of the Hillary Clinton for President committee. -wiki
i think i'm sick at my stomach...
August 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm"It bugs me when folks who nevver substantiate their own thoughts gripe of others…"
You must bug yourself. Odd.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:27 pm"Good on ya for tackling the pressing social issues of our times at the root… RAP MUSIC."
You don't think it's a problem or at least part of the problem? There are many good parents that would tend to disagree if you don't.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:30 pmHow so? Be specific please.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:30 pmI think Elvis is to blame. Oh wait it was that crazy British invasion stuff. No No it was heavy metal or was it the negative influences of punk. Well then again it might have been that godless R&B. Once that evil recorder and harpsicord stuff started kids have never been the same.
What a bunch of shit...
August 26th, 2008 at 8:35 pm"Tracy, the evidence is in your statements, and it is legion here at TP. Your patterns are well known and your attitudes are clear."
Cite something and please limit the BS political correctness to couple of sentences.
"Just because you pretend not to understand what everyone points out about your posts doesn’t mean that we’re lying or that we haven’t produced any evidence."
The points they make are totally false which means either the are actually lying and know it or that their bigoted and ignorant misconceptions are clouding their thoughts.
"My question is, why are you here?"
Same reason you are here...to debate. Why are you here?
August 26th, 2008 at 8:38 pmHow so? Be specific please.
How so what?
August 26th, 2008 at 8:40 pmTry to follow along in a cognitively aware fashion please.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:43 pm"What a bunch of shit…"
Did you see this these?
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119962619/abstract
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119296589/abstract
August 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pm"Try to follow along in a cognitively aware fashion please."
Do be obscure please.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:52 pm"It’s been explained to you ad nauseum what was racist about it. You’re obviously either too stupid to recognize it, or you’re deliberately fighting the realization."
You tried to use a bunch of politically correct garbage in order to justify your characterization.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:57 pmWhat bugs me even more than those unwilling to substantiate their ideas but willing to chastise others for such is those too whacked to follow a simple exchange in which turns are taken sort of like speaking via radio. Does it bug you?
August 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pmThere are many good parents that would tend to disagree if you don’t.
Ahhh, good. Call me a bad parent again, Tracy... that works out SO well...
Many good parents thought that Rock and Roll would be the end of society, that Chamber Music would be the end of society, that Socrates would be the end of society- hence my posts above... many 'good parent's were wrong.
My mother listened to 'The Jesus and Mary Chain' with me when I was growing up and neither of us did drugs or started drinking or had children we didn't want or couldn't support... why is that?
If its too loud, you're too old Tracy.
Deal with it.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pm"Ahhh, good. Call me a bad parent again, Tracy"
I didn't call you a bad parent. I just pointed out that many good parents would disagree if you didn't think that gangster rap music was a problem.
"...why is that?"
Because you had a parent there to teach you that doing illegal drugs or drinking alcohol in excess is not a good thing to do. Many kids don't have parents that teach them this.
"If its too loud, you’re too old Tracy."
Don't even! I have a stereo system in my car that will make your ears bleed. Ever listen to Judas Priest or Metallic? If you haven't you don't know what loud is.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:25 pmI'd make a silly muscle car joke but... In the interest of others please consider less agressive music while driving. Music has been suggested to have a strong influence upon behavior.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pmTracy~
August 26th, 2008 at 9:37 pmEver hear what people said about Judas Priest and Metallica?
Ever think that old people just don't get it?
Ever consider killing anyone 'cause of Judas Priest or Metallica?
Didn't think so...
"Music has been suggested to have a strong influence upon behavior."
Especially for those young people who don't have a parent(s) to teach them.
August 26th, 2008 at 9:53 pm"Ever consider killing anyone ’cause of Judas Priest or Metallica?
Didn’t think so…"
Nope. Once AGAIN, and this is getting redundant, I had parents to teach me right from wrong. Do you get it yet?
August 26th, 2008 at 9:54 pmTracy-
August 27th, 2008 at 12:30 amYeah, do you get it yet?
Good.
'Cause your original argument was that those in the 'hip hop community' as you called it think its okay to 'dump their children, be gangbangers and degrate (sic) women'
My argument is that hip-hop has nothing to do with any of those things...
glad you agree with me Tracy!
I wonder how many Republicans like crooner Frank Sinatra. An exemplar American, and awesome singer, isn't?
Well, one of the hits of him is the song "Mack the Knife", based in the character of "The Threepenny Opera":
A moritat (from mori meaning "deadly" and tat meaning "deed") is a medieval version of the murder ballad performed by strolling minstrels, . In The Threepenny Opera, the moritat singer with his street organ introduces and closes the drama with the tale of the deadly Mackie Messer, or Mack the Knife, a character based on the dashing highwayman Macheath in John Gay's The Beggar's Opera. The Brecht-Weill version of the character was far more cruel and sinister, and has been transformed into a modern anti-hero.
The opera opens with the moritat singer comparing Macheath (unfavorably) with a shark, and then telling tales of his robberies, murders, rapes, and arson
Probably many of you've heard it and even hummed its melody. Well, let's take a closer look to the lyrics:
"...
Jenny Towler was found
With a knife in her chest
And on the wharf walks Mack the Knife,
Who knows nothing about all this.
..."
It praises a murder, and a skilled murderer. And isn't rap.
And about Sinatra's personal life? Well, as everybody knows, he was frequently associated with mafia bosses, including the infamours Lucky Luciano. And his moral authority? Well, just read a little about his Rat Pack friends. Booze, night life, women...
August 27th, 2008 at 7:15 am"My argument is that hip-hop has nothing to do with any of those things…"
Well at least we know your are in the minority opinion.
August 27th, 2008 at 10:46 amTracy__5 Says:
“My argument is that hip-hop has nothing to do with any of those things…”
Well at least we know your are in the minority opinion.
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Nah, 29-percenters like you are in the minority.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:10 pmTracy~
Once again your logic leaves me reeling...
It was also for the many in the hip hop community that think that it’s OK for fathers to dump their children, be a gangbanger, and degrate women.
Yes everyone that listens to the hip hop garbage of 50 Cent and Ludicous, needs to listen to Michelle in what she was talking about, i.e. a strong family and a father that takes care of his family. Did you even hear her speech? I doesn’t sound like it.
I have some songs you need to listen to that would qualify as evidence. BTW if those in the hip hop community, and I am talking about the music industury here i.e the producers, actually did care about those things they wouldn’t promote this garbage.
But then you say its not really the music (after all, you listened to Judas Priest and you turned out GREEEAAT!), but a lack of parenting that leads to these social ills... so your solution to combat them is...
to attack the music again?
If we agree that 'this is the devil's music' is an old and tired argument with no merit and that there are other factors that have much more impact on the forming of strong and productive citizens, I wonder why you are unwilling to support young mothers and fathers in the inner-cities with jobs, schools and social networks and so eager to point out that 'lots of good parents' like you blame the rap music?
Actually, I don't wonder... you do it 'cause its easy and familiar, even though you know its wrong.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pm"But then you say its not really the music (after all, you listened to Judas Priest and you turned out GREEEAAT!),"
I wasn't allowed to listen to these CDs that had "explicit" lyrics. If my parents heard that comming out of my room the would have kicked my butt. BTW in my opinion there is NO comparison between Judas Priest's lyrics and Ludicris in terms of vulgarity, violence, and degridation of women. When you have to completely rewrite a song to make it "clean" enough to sell to a thirteen year old then in my opinion you pretty have thrown out all sense of decency.
"so your solution to combat them is…
to attack the music again?
With a lack of parenting the only effective way to help insulate these young people, who can easily get their hands on these vulgar albums BTW, is to push the industry to stop pushing it and glorifying these "artists" like 50 Cent. These guys aren't "telling their story", they are trying to sell records and the money is obviously more important to them then putting out an uplifting and positive message. Again I could cite case after case of inner city single mothers that are a work most of the time that absolutely despise these rap singers that glorify gangbanging and treating women like whores. Finally, considering that one of the main problems in inner city families is that the father is not around wouldn't it be prudent for the hip hop music industry to stop promoting gangster rap that actually glorifies treating women like garbage and that it's cool to be involved in gang related activities?
"...and that there are other factors that have much more impact on the forming of strong and productive citizens"
The in tact family is the MOST important factor to kid growing up to be productive responsible citizens especially when being a single parent almost always involves he or she to be at work from sun up to sun down. Can single parents make it work? Sure, look at Obama, but on balance it works better if the mother and the father are there.
"I wonder why you are unwilling to support young mothers and fathers in the inner-cities with jobs, schools and social networks and so eager to point out that ‘lots of good parents’ like you blame the rap music?"
Where in any of my posts have I ever said that I am unwilling to support after school programs, new schools, or helping with job opportunities? Remember it was the conservatives in the 1990s that pushed the welfare reform acts that pushed work over welfare, not the liberals.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pmOkay-
We agree that the music will have little or no impact on the development of responsible citizens. (see Judas priest/JAMC discussion above)
We agree that supporting the family is the best way to assure that kids get a fair shot in life. (see same)
So... we agree to stop scape-goating the music industry and put our efforts into strengthening social safetynets so that the poor and disadvantaged have a shot?
I'm glad to hear you're on board, Tracy!
August 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pm"We agree that the music will have little or no impact on the development of responsible citizens."
Probably no effect on kids that have parent(s) that are willing and able to teach them right from wrong. If the parent(s) are absent in order to teach this, the music could and does most definitely have an impact on the development of those kids into resonsible citizens. Kids belive what they hear unless someone else tells them it's wrong.
"So… we agree to stop scape-goating the music industry and put our efforts into strengthening social safetynets so that the poor and disadvantaged have a shot?"
Untill the reformation of the inner city family takes place, which will require keeping social safety nets in place and MORE importantly improving economic conditions thru promoting work rather than welfare in addition to a fundamental cultural change I don't have a problem with dogging that hip hop music industry to clean up their act given their proven influence on kids in the inner city. We combat drugs with laws that make them illegal. We regulate carbon emmissions to help keep the air clean. I don't see a problem with pushing the hip hop music industry to clean up their act. Maybe Ludicris and 50 Cent should put out some public safety announcements that tell kids that they aren't role models they should strive to immitate.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:15 pm