Comments on: Bush administration sought to extend troop presence in Iraq through 2015. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:48:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: army193 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-2/#comment-5188182 army193 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:53:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5188182 2015 a little Political if you ask me. 2015 a little Political if you ask me.

]]> By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-2/#comment-5187868 DieNowForPeace Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:35:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187868 OMG! Daryll's gonna freak when he realizes he Prez of Iraq is a "Talabani". OMG! Daryll’s gonna freak when he realizes he Prez of Iraq is a “Talabani”.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-2/#comment-5187620 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:42:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187620 The Republic of Stupidity Says: I like what Aaron Sorkin wrote about that in the speech at the end of the movie An American President. He said America aint easy its ADVANCED citizenship. If you believe in free speech you have to be willing to support someone advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend your life opposing at the top of yours, or as Chomsky said even Hilter and Staling supported speech they agreed with. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

I like what Aaron Sorkin wrote about that in the speech at the end of the movie An American President. He said America aint easy its ADVANCED citizenship. If you believe in free speech you have to be willing to support someone advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend your life opposing at the top of yours, or as Chomsky said even Hilter and Staling supported speech they agreed with.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-2/#comment-5187616 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:39:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187616 True Haywood and Hill were murdered. Gompers I believe died of old age but was I believe President of the AFL, Haywood and Hill were in the dirt organizing and it got them killed. Been a UTU, that is Transportation Union member for 31 years. We need more brave union men like them and Harry Bridges of the ILWU though that was much later. True Haywood and Hill were murdered. Gompers I believe died of old age but was I believe President of the AFL, Haywood and Hill were in the dirt organizing and it got them killed. Been a UTU, that is Transportation Union member for 31 years. We need more brave union men like them and Harry Bridges of the ILWU though that was much later.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187610 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:38:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187610 freeman Says: Trolls ? Perhaps filling a thread with profanities, personal insults and name calling are good debating skills but to any other observer they appear as what they are ,rude adolecent bullying . Whose the troll ? _______________ What's weird about this is there haven't been any trolls here ***cough...*** this morning, and most of the language has been pretty clean. Last night?? That thread w/ RHF on it... I usually just split when the food fights break out. Free speech is a strange and mysterious thing, and far from perfected. freeman Says:

Trolls ?

Perhaps filling a thread with profanities, personal insults and name calling are good debating skills but to any other observer they appear as what they are ,rude adolecent bullying .

Whose the troll ?
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What’s weird about this is there haven’t been any trolls here ***cough…*** this morning, and most of the language has been pretty clean. Last night?? That thread w/ RHF on it… I usually just split when the food fights break out.

Free speech is a strange and mysterious thing, and far from perfected.

]]> By: DRxJ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187608 DRxJ Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:38:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187608 Am I missing something here? WTF does last night's Brooks thread and subsequent RHF spewing vile posts (surprise) have to do with the fact that Bush wanted to extend the troops until 2015??? Am I missing something here?
WTF does last night’s Brooks thread and subsequent RHF spewing vile posts (surprise) have to do with the fact that Bush wanted to extend the troops until 2015???

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187598 Fred Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:33:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187598 <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/eugene-v-debs" rel="nofollow">Eugene Debs</a> All were great union advocates at a time when brute force was used freely against them. Many were inprisoned or killed. Bill Haywood for one was killed publicly to make their point. These men and their efforts usered in the sucessful union era that followed. Eugene Debs

All were great union advocates at a time when brute force was used freely against them. Many were inprisoned or killed. Bill Haywood for one was killed publicly to make their point.

These men and their efforts usered in the sucessful union era that followed.

]]> By: pluege http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187594 pluege Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:31:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187594 <em>Iraq has the right, if necessary, to extend the presence of these troops,”</em> WOW!, where's the wingnuts' heads exploding and blowing lunch all over the media over foreigners having control over what US troops do? IOKIYAR rules!! Iraq has the right, if necessary, to extend the presence of these troops,”

WOW!, where’s the wingnuts’ heads exploding and blowing lunch all over the media over foreigners having control over what US troops do? IOKIYAR rules!!

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187590 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:30:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187590 freeman Says: I am good to people who are good I am good to people who are not good because virtue is goodness. Tao te ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I have read it. Feel free to be however you WANT to be. We TOOK the rightwing venom for a decade and tried the high road. It got us seen as weak. That may be a decent way to live life in GENERAL, but when ATTACKED by someone who isnt going to stop as in todays rightwingnuts. That is a prescription for taking an ongoing beating. Take whatever beatings you want. That is YOUR choice. When you begin to denigrate me for MY choice that will be a different matter. freeman Says:

I am good to people who are good
I am good to people who are not good
because virtue is goodness.
Tao te ching

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I know I have read it. Feel free to be however you WANT to be. We TOOK the rightwing venom for a decade and tried the high road. It got us seen as weak. That may be a decent way to live life in GENERAL, but when ATTACKED by someone who isnt going to stop as in todays rightwingnuts. That is a prescription for taking an ongoing beating. Take whatever beatings you want. That is YOUR choice. When you begin to denigrate me for MY choice that will be a different matter.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187576 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:27:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187576 Oh yes and I have been a Union man for more than thirty years so THOSE three in my blood Oh yes and I have been a Union man for more than thirty years so THOSE three in my blood

]]> By: freeman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187574 freeman Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:27:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187574 I am good to people who are good I am good to people who are not good because virtue is goodness. Tao te ching I am good to people who are good
I am good to people who are not good
because virtue is goodness.
Tao te ching

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187560 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:20:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187560 Fred Says: I'm not sure what you are asking. I am an anonymous poster who recently found this site. I havent posted here before I used to post a lot at Media Matters under the nick solon. I obviously know who those people are may Joe Hills murdered soul rest in peace his IWW never had a chance mores the pity. Is that what you were asking? I am a seriously lefty liberal, I advocate taking the gloves off with the wingnuts and giving them back what they dish out. If a conservative wants to be reasonable and talk I hope that is encouraged. Reruns of the Rush Limbaugh show and attacks on Liberals and Dems (unfortunatly not the same thing) ought to be met with fierce treatment. Its time we fought back. If they want to talk good, we have the better ideas if they want to take the conversation into the mud I say we follow them there. Thats just MY take. Fred Says:

I’m not sure what you are asking. I am an anonymous poster who recently found this site. I havent posted here before I used to post a lot at Media Matters under the nick solon. I obviously know who those people are may Joe Hills murdered soul rest in peace his IWW never had a chance mores the pity. Is that what you were asking? I am a seriously lefty liberal, I advocate taking the gloves off with the wingnuts and giving them back what they dish out. If a conservative wants to be reasonable and talk I hope that is encouraged. Reruns of the Rush Limbaugh show and attacks on Liberals and Dems (unfortunatly not the same thing) ought to be met with fierce treatment. Its time we fought back. If they want to talk good, we have the better ideas if they want to take the conversation into the mud I say we follow them there. Thats just MY take.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187552 Fred Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:16:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187552 5th Estate Says: I think the post at 10 covers why we are there. Once that motivation is removed then I think it will happen fairly fast. There is no reason to stay if we don't plan on doing what the bush bunch did, exploit America and Iraq. 5th Estate Says:

I think the post at 10 covers why we are there. Once that motivation is removed then I think it will happen fairly fast.

There is no reason to stay if we don’t plan on doing what the bush bunch did, exploit America and Iraq.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187550 stateofthedivision Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:15:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187550 The wholesale contracting of the military, other than the fighting soldier, will take decades to undo. They can't even recruit the warrior, much less the plethora of support positions that would be needed to bring those functions back inside the military. Parts of the AirForce are next for privatization. BlackWater is building its own private air force. General Dynamics just announced the purchase of a private fleet in Europe. If principled people inside the Air Force are holding up the Bush/Cheney tactical nuke hand, then they'll do a run around. It's much easier to get a profit oriented entity to pull the nuclear trigger as "they're just pleasing the customer and making money for shareholders". Hopefully we can make it through the next five months without another Bush/Cheney war, but getting contractors out of the U.S. military? That's a very long term prospect. The wholesale contracting of the military, other than the fighting soldier, will take decades to undo.

They can’t even recruit the warrior, much less the plethora of support positions that would be needed to bring those functions back inside the military.

Parts of the AirForce are next for privatization. BlackWater is building its own private air force. General Dynamics just announced the purchase of a private fleet in Europe.

If principled people inside the Air Force are holding up the Bush/Cheney tactical nuke hand, then they’ll do a run around.

It’s much easier to get a profit oriented entity to pull the nuclear trigger as “they’re just pleasing the customer and making money for shareholders”.

Hopefully we can make it through the next five months without another Bush/Cheney war, but getting contractors out of the U.S. military? That’s a very long term prospect.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187544 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:14:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187544 freeman Says: Thanx bro but it has more to do with the effectiveness of the site than with self pity . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BZZZZ I want a judges ruling on that. Sorry the judges have ruled that in incorrect answer freeman Says:

Thanx bro but it has more to do with the effectiveness of the site than with self pity .
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BZZZZ I want a judges ruling on that. Sorry the judges have ruled that in incorrect answer

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187534 Fred Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:13:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187534 EugeneDebs Says: Hi Eugene, no one knows who you are...introduce yourself and also let them know who Samual Gompers, Big Bill Haywood and Joe Hill were.....nice moniker. EugeneDebs Says:

Hi Eugene, no one knows who you are…introduce yourself and also let them know who Samual Gompers, Big Bill Haywood and Joe Hill were…..nice moniker.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187532 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:12:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187532 freeman Says: Oh and I beg to differ apparently a hall monitor is exactly whats needed here . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you thought you would appoint yourself? Naaah. I guess I will decide what I need Bozo freeman Says:

Oh and I beg to differ apparently a hall monitor is exactly whats needed here .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So you thought you would appoint yourself? Naaah. I guess I will decide what I need Bozo

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187526 EugeneDebs Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:11:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187526 freeman Says: WWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH freeman Says:

WWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

]]> By: 5th Estate http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187516 5th Estate Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:07:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187516 As long as the official US military stays in Irzq, so too will the contractors and mercenaries (as in KBR is a contractor, Blackwater is a mercenary outfit). I wonder how they will be managed by Obama, assuming the 16-month plan goes into action. Will they draw dawn with the rest of the regular troops or will they actually be needed more, as it were, to support the draw-down? Tricky. As long as the official US military stays in Irzq, so too will the contractors and mercenaries (as in KBR is a contractor, Blackwater is a mercenary outfit). I wonder how they will be managed by Obama, assuming the 16-month plan goes into action.
Will they draw dawn with the rest of the regular troops or will they actually be needed more, as it were, to support the draw-down? Tricky.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/comment-page-1/#comment-5187512 stateofthedivision Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:06:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/bush-administration-sought-to-extend-troop-presence-in-iraq-through-2015/#comment-5187512 Freeman, I read down the thread to where you posted your concern and could find nothing offensive. Freeman, I read down the thread to where you posted your concern and could find nothing offensive.

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