August 29th, 2008 at 7:19 am
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By this logic, I can only assume that you’re also willing to occupy Sudan, the DRC, Israel, Zimbabwe, China, Uzbekistan, and every other country led by genociders and tyrants.

robert verdi Says:
Your wrong, In the real world

Something which you obviously have no grasp of since you think aggression and war is the solution to every problem.

You represent the bullies on the schoolyard mentality who are always failures in life, in the real world.

Mr. green, you are wrong. There is no justification for invading iraq. No drum beating by you will change anyone here’s mind. It was an illegal invasion and there is no justification for it.

We at bush’s behest went it alone and that is something that has hurt us much more than it helped the iraqi’s that survived our brutal invasion of a helpless nation. Sad and sick is what comes to mind…..that applies to you too.

The 110th Congress is showing Americans that one can become the President of the U.S.A. and commit crimes of war.

The 110th Congress is showing Americans that one can become the President of the U.S.A. and flaunt Justice!

The 110th Congress is showing Americans that one can become the President of the U.S.A. and NOT be held accountable!

CHANGE REQUIRES COURAGE!
VOTE OUT MEMBERS OF THE CRIME ABETTING 110th CONgress!

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Q U E S T I O N:
WHEN IS TORTURE NOT A WAR CRIME?

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“…You want to see evil and crimes, walk into a room that is haunted with the deaths of thousands.”

I hope you aren’t using this as a reason to justify the invasion of Iraq…?

If you are…then when do we invade Zimbabwe? When do we invade Saudi Arabia? When do we invade the Sudan? Why did George W. Bush send a grand total of twenty Marines to ‘help’ with the overthrow of Charles Taylor? When do we invade China? When do we invade North Korea, who once again made a complete fool of George W. Bush–one of the easiest accomplishments possible, granted–by re-starting their nuclear program the other day? When do we invade Nigeria? Egypt, where we send terror suspects to be tortured in THEIR Abu Ghraibs? Syria? Iran?

When do we ‘finish the job’ in Afghanistan? Will it take as long as it did the British or the Russians? Who never finished ‘conquering’ Afghanistan? Because there simply wasn’t anything there worth controlling except illegal poppy fields?

Don’t ever use Saddam as a justification for invading Iraq. Especially when the U.S. has such a terrible record of how it treats ITS people, particularly the Native American. Use that argument, and you got nothin’, kid. They invaded for the OIL, not to ’save’ Iraq’s people. If you don’t know that by now, let me save you some trouble and let you know that they’ve already admitted it.

“…THAT resolution said DIRECTLY that the Security counsel would “remain seized of the issue” that is THEY would make any decisions about the serious consequences and made it CLEAR to the Bush administration when it was written that they would NOT cede that to the US.”

I will never forget the day. It was my birthday, March 7, 2003. It was called a ‘press conference’, but it was a joke, like every one of them before and since, under the term of George W. Bush.

The last (or next-to-last) question was something like this: Mr. President, will you go to the UN for a Security Council vote to approve your imminent invasion of Iraq? And his answer shocked the talking heads afterwards: “Yes, we will go back to the UN.”

Everyone knew that China and the USSR, much less France, would NEVER authorize his invasion. Everyone knew, as soon as he’d said it, that he was either lying, or didn’t understand the question–always a possibility with Bush. Everyone knew it was a waste of time, except, apparently, George.

He never went back for that Security Council vote. He invaded without UN approval. People call this an illegal war for very good reasons.

I say we hang him.

EugeneDebs,
Let’s sort this out. If Saddam kills and tortures individuals it is wrong,if the US pursues the same practices, it is OK. Am I missing something here?

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That seemed inherent in his telling me I was wrong but I didnt see him make that claim. He might have meant I was wrong about the Nurember standard and just not addressing the torture. If that is what he things shame on him.

Eugene,
By the way, I was actualy in one of Saddam’s execution chambers a couple of years ago. You want to see evil and crimes, walk into a room that is haunted with the deaths of thousands. Walk into a room where you know people were kept knowing the only escape was a painfull death at the hands of Saddam’s police. In the back were tiny cells with holes at the end. I believe they were for shooting prisoners when the gallows were to slow. You see Eugene I know plenty about the Baghdad Correctional Facility, I served there only two years ago. I know the reality of how we treat Iraqi’s. I am not excusing the animals of Grainer and England, I was there after the system was cleaned up and the reality of the US detainee system is not in line with “gulag” view pushed by many. By the way, the BCF is also known as Abu Ghraib. On a side note, if you have any questions about spending a year in an Iraqi prison, ask away.

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No I am NOT wrong. I dont know why you want to tell me Saddam was a bad guy, I dont know anyone who disagrees. Of course he was at his WORST when he was our good ally. You rightwingers are latecomers on the Saddam is a monster bandwagon. Where were YOU in 83 and 88 when liberals like me were calling for us to stop supporting him and saying he should be tried for crimes against humanity? Of course your argument would be a bit stronger had we closed the torture rooms down instead of putting them under new management. When you read the Taguba report did you MISS the parts about prisoners being sodomized with chemical lights one of the men beaten to death? Electric shocks to genitals did you MISS those parts? NO I am not wrong and there are also the men beaten to death at Bagram Air Force base. Or sent to other countries to BE tortured no it isnt ME thats wrong. BEFORE this war started I was arguing with rightwingers about WMDS and what would happen in Iraq and every single prediction I made was 100% right. You righwingers were WRONG about everything so you can STUFF your condescending suggesting that I NEED to ask you about Iraq. I know my foriegn policy and I am sick to death of the people who were wrong about every single thing about Iraq telling us who were RIGHT that WE are the ones that dont understand. No I am NOT wrong. YOU dont know what you are talking about.