Cindy McCain: Palin knows foreign policy because ‘Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia.’
Cindy McCain: Palin knows foreign policy because ‘Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia.’
Today on ABC’s This Week, Cindy McCain tried to rebut the criticism that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) has no national experience by taking a talking point from Fox’s Steve Doocy. McCain pointed to the fact that Palin’s state is near Russia:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But she has no national security experience.
McCAIN: You know, the experience that she comes from is what she’s done in government, and remember, Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia. It’s not as if she doesn’t understand what’s at stake here.
Watch it:
It doesn’t appear that Palin has ever even traveled to Russia, despite her state’s proximity. In fact, she didn’t even have a passport until 2007, when she visited troops stationed in Kuwait and Germany. She has also visited Ireland.
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And you , Mrs Cindy McPillPopper , are so eminently qualified to be commenting on this subject ……………
Next , Cindy will suggest that Palin be sent to negotiate with the IRA , because she’s visited Ireland.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:45 amThat means that I am a foreign policy expert on Canada and Mexico, because I have lived in Washington and California. I should be appointed to an ambassador position.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:48 amNext , Cindy will suggest that Palin be sent to negotiate with the IRA , because she’s visited Ireland.
Cindy McCain: The IRA has been pretty peaceful since Sarah’s visit to Ireland… coincidence? I’m not saying, I’m just saying, you know?
August 31st, 2008 at 11:48 amWOW! If McShill and McDrill steal this one my young bride will apply for the Secretary of State job. She seemingly has all the necessary qualifications. She was a member of the PTA so she understands the domestic issues, and she lives in Arizona which is right next door to Mexico so she understands the immigration problem. Unfortunately, when she entered a beauty contest her doll took Best in Show so maybe she doesn’t have the qualifications of McDrill after all.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:51 amCindy should be confined to one of her numerous houses until after the election. She is no Michelle O.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:51 amARE YOU KIDDING ME?????? I say, let them ALL just keep talking. Because EVERYTIME anyone of them even OPENS their collective mouths,sh@% spills out! And tell me, Mrs. McCain, are YOU going to be the new Foreign Policy Advisor if your husband(god forbid) makes it to the WH? Seems you already had a little “job” as an envoy in Georgia. Is this “Alice and Wonderland” or what? I got to say, we HAVE to be the laughing stock of the entire free world right now.If we’re amazed, they’re probably rolling on the floor!No doubt Putin,the entirety of Iran, Korea, etc must be chomping at the bit.Those stupid, stupid Americans!I can hear it now…
August 31st, 2008 at 11:52 amSteve Doocy from Fox offered this same line, just days ago. Who’s scripting the talking points? Did Cindy write it for Steve, or did Fox craft it for Mrs. McCain?
Or are they both tools for some other nefarious mastermind? Never the less, it makes as much sense as the following (something I posted on the Doocy thread):
And George W. Bush is a repository of intelligence because the White House is near the Library of Congress?
August 31st, 2008 at 11:53 amOh, yeah…and forget the terrorists…they’ll just watch us implode all by ourselves if this man gets elected.I shutter…get out there and register people to vote, send money…do what ever you can to but an end to this lunacy. ENOUGH!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 11:55 amAccording to my Rand McNally World Map, Anchorage is 1300 miles away from the small Russian port town of Uelen along the Russian/US border.
Also 1300 miles apart are Atlanta and Boston. Does that mean I’m an expert, by osmosis, on shoveling snow in Febnuary?
August 31st, 2008 at 11:57 amDoes anyone know if this bimbo completed college anywhere and what her field was if so?
August 31st, 2008 at 11:58 amThis is right up there with the most asinine things I’ve ever heard in my life :(
August 31st, 2008 at 11:59 amDoesn’t Cindy McCain have a bikini contest to go enter or a condo to go buy?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:00 pmHere’s the good news, because George W. Bush is not going to Minneapolis, he could be closer to the Library of Congress.
W. could actually gain intelligence by missing the event! Stay positive, people…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:02 pmFred Says: Does anyone know if this bimbo completed college anywhere and what her field was if so?
University of Idaho, 1987, Journalism
For a while, she was a sportscaster.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:02 pmSarah McCain 2012!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:02 pmCorrection: She did not have a passport until 2007, when she visited Alaska Nat’l Guard troops in Kuwait.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:03 pmFred Says:
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Does anyone know if this bimbo completed college anywhere and what her field was if so?
August 31st, 2008 at 11:58 am
I heard it was astronomy ………………She just wanted to take up space.
Looks as though she was wildly successful
August 31st, 2008 at 12:03 pmI just stopped laughing and am now beginning to cry! Can this be real??
We are at a carnival and playing 3 card monty! Blonde jokes pale next to this.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:04 pmFred, did you mean Cindy McCain or Sarah Palin?
Palin went to Idaho.
Cindy McCain has a BA Education and a MA Special Education, both from the USC.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pmYou know you got absolutely nothing when you’re mimicking Steve “It’s going to be HUGE!” Doocy.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pmOne bimbo carrying water for the other. Budweiser has threatened to pull Cindy’s meal ticket several times cause they want hands on management
August 31st, 2008 at 12:06 pmunbelievable Says:
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Fred Says: Does anyone know if this bimbo completed college anywhere and what her field was if so?
University of Idaho, 1987, Journalism
For a while, she was a sportscaster.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I believe Fred was inquiring into Cindy McPillPopper.
Who , BTW , received a Bachelor of Arts in education and a Master of Arts in special education, both from the University of Southern California.
Which begs another question be asked :
Why did the last 2 GOP presidential candidates’ spouses actually marry them ?
They’re both owners of teaching degrees and have husbands with IQ’s in double digits ; did they view it as some sort of challenge or something ?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:08 pmSo, I suppose that by extension we can say anyone living in states bordering or in proximity to other countries have some knowledge of foreign policy.
I wonder how they do that. By osmosis?
This talking point is so absolutely ridiculous, it’s clearly aimed at the low IQ 23%ers.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:09 pmIt surprises me that the press will never follow up with some pointed questions after such a stupid remark. Some examples:
1. But has Governor Palin ever sat down with Russian officials to discuss any political issues or other problems arising from the close proximity of her state to Russia?
2. I thought that the federal government was responsible for foreign policy. Are you suggesting that Governor Palin ever undertook any specific foreign policy initiatives with Russia?
Ok, those two would have been enough to make her look like a fool.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:09 pmGreat mind? Serious direction? That explains her missing the size of the ExxonValdez oil spill by 10.79 million gallons in her Washington Journal interview on CSPAN.
10.8 million gallons of crude oil > 11,000 gallons of fuel
Of course, Maria Bartiromo was impressed with Sarah’s energy expertise in this morning’s Fleece the Press.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:10 pmCindy McCain has a BA Education and a MA Special Education, both from the USC.
Wow. I would have thought of a gal like Cindy as having big kahuna degrees, like an MBA, and certainly not those humble-type degrees.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pmMCMetal Says: They’re both owners of teaching degrees and have husbands with IQ’s in double digits ; did they view it as some sort of challenge or something ?
They were both women who felt drawn to special needs children. Makes sense to me :).
Plus, Conservative women are pressured to be with a man who has power and/or money. Doesn’t matter whether or not he’s attractive, smart or a nice person.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:13 pmOops, Cindy’s on the pills again.
Cindy McCain: Palin knows foreign policy my butt.
And does the MSM question this lunacy?
Nope, didn’t think so.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:13 pmunbelievable Says:
Is that college data for Cindy Mccain?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:14 pmWell, sure, that was pretty much bush’s foriegn policy experience before he was prez (from a state with international borders). Look how his foriegn policy turned out.
I don’t have sound and can’t watch now, but I assume GS immediately called her on it and at least asked how that gives one the experience necessary to deal with international issues, right?
Joe Biden is way over-qualified to be VP.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:14 pmCindy is also deliberately vague about that “what she’s done in government” part. That would include bungling the land purchase for a sports center, which ended up costing the “city” more than $15 million — of which they still owe $8 million. That’s a “city” of less than 8,000 people, so you do the math on the debt. Oh, and she raised the sales tax to pay for it.
She fired the police chief because he’d supported her opponent.
Details, shmetails . . . she’s the governor!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:15 pmShe must have been watching Doocy of Fox network who made this silly argument.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pmFlorida is the part of the United States that is closest to Cuba which is why everyone in Northeast Florida is an expert in international relations.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pmThis talking point would be hilarious if the Repugs weren’t reduced to trying to pass it off for real. I used to live in Maine, which I think is near Canada, so can I be secretary of state?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:17 pmAll the experience that Cindy McBimbo acquired in college that qualified her to run an inherited beer distributorship passed over her tongue and down her through.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pm(sigh)
August 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pmAt least she follows the party line…
Thanks all for the college data….no huge brainiacs in the group obviously……Barrack on the other hand…..Joe Biden on the other hand…..Michelle on the other hand…
mccain….4th from bottom of his class and would not have even been invited if it weren’t for his family and money……he’s no elitist though, just ask him.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pmJust wondering….how are those people in the gulf states going to vote with this hurricane coming? Will they even have voting booths set up in time? I know it’s a couple months away, but I think that they still haven’t gotten back to normal after Katrina.As I see things, most of them are probably Dems…what, no votes for them? They’re probably people that are pretty disgusted with this Admin and their dog and pony show…Just wondering…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:18 pmDetails and truth do not matter to the wing nuts…only that she has taken the Jeebus into her bosom.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:19 pmMcWars Says: Wow. I would have thought of a gal like Cindy as having big kahuna degrees, like an MBA, and certainly not those humble-type degrees.
Unfortunately, students who apply for BS degrees in Education have the lowest SAT scores of all other departments. It’s partly because the pay is so low that smarter students go into other areas that pay better because they can. Perhaps this applies to Mrs. McCain’s career path.
No offense to teachers who are smart, as I know there are liberals with brains who choose education to make a difference.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:20 pmShe breaths air so she knows about air pollution.
She drinks water so she knows about water quality.
She kills critters so she knows about endangered species.
She lives in Alaska so she knows about global warming.
She is bought by oil companies so she knows about energy.
She is religous so she knows the world is only 6300 years old.
She a woman so she knows about what all women want.
She is a wedge issue candidate who McSame’s lobbyist handlers picked for him at the command of KKKarl.
McSame had only met her once, I’m sure the lobbyist’s met her many times to make sure she will stick to RNC criminal agenda.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:20 pmIt has gone utterly too far!
The comparisons to Barack Obama are ridiculous. He was nominated by a party and by the people.
Of all those lauding this choice, who in their right mind would have nominated this Governor from Alaska to be anywhere near the White House?
Beyond the insult of suggesting domestic drilling will lower the price of gas in America (world market!), beyond suggesting low taxes creates jobs (continued losses), beyond suggesting competition will do anything but drive costs up, beyond the audacity of putting forth the same agenda that is not working for 80 percent of Americans. To suggest she is capable, do to the proximity of the state she lives to foreign nations, is a slap in the face. I can understand Tim Pawlenty going on national television to carry the water, but a woman who isn’t even a politician, has no credibility on the matter, to make such ridiculous statements is more than I can stomach.
What does the Republican Party think of Americans?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:20 pmJohn McCain has really POW’d us with this one.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:21 pmUhhh, Cindy? you might want to think about the last time your hubby cozied up to a pretty, young, ex-beauty queen…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:22 pmBob Says: Joe Biden is way over-qualified to be VP.
I hope that their debate is a real debate and not some faith-based forum sidewhow hosted by talking heads who are owned by Corporate America.
He will bury her.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:23 pmSO, Maine, Montana, WIsconsin, Wachington, Texas, NM, Arizone, Florida, California, New York, etc, Govs are then ALL CAPABLE foreign policy wonks by virtue of their proximty to a foreign entitiy? I think not.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:24 pmBad keyboard skills. oops
August 31st, 2008 at 12:24 pmWas this some sort of a new reality show? “Beauty Queens defending other Beauty Queens” Was there any mention of “World Peace” ?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:25 pmGawd, the dumbing of America! The “Bimbo Theory” is the dominate factor in all Wingnut talking points. They wear the ‘Lunitic Fringe ‘ label proudly…
(you see i live next to a hospital and thereby qualified to preform brain surgery!)
“The Daily Show” and “Colbert Report” aired special Democratic Convention coverage Friday night and absolutely laced into McCain’s ridiculous choice for VP, Sarah Palin. As a bonus, Jon rips into FOX’s Steve Doocy for seriously arguing that Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives Palin meaningful foreign policy experience.”
August 31st, 2008 at 12:26 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/30/stewart-colbert-mock-sarah-palin-vp-choice/
DidHeJustSayThat Says: The comparisons to Barack Obama are ridiculous. He was nominated by a party and by the people.
Excellent point! Palin was not tried through the campaign process and elected.
Besides, Obama has the same amount of pre-presidential experience as Abraham Lincoln, considered one of the greatst Presidents of all time. His experience shouldn’t even be in question.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:26 pm# Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
Republicans either think we’re stupid or don’t mind inadvertantly making Americans more stupid through their lying and missinformation schemes. This kind of propaganda logic really scares the crap out of me. They do it so easily.
And this “next to Russia” is clearly an official talking point.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:54 am
They don’t “think” the people are stupid.
They have proof-positive evidence: the “American” people installed the Chimperor and then didn’t throw the moronic fascist piece of shit 4 years later when they had the chance.
As the ancient Romans remarked: Quid erat demonstratum!
By the way, by the logic of proximity, I am a far more reliable expert on Mexico than the split-tailed slag Palin could be on Russia, cuz I live only about 400 miles from Mexico, have visited fairly often, and speak a little Spanish. I demand an appointment!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:27 pmJust a question but how much of Alaska’s oil stays in the US and how much goes to other countries?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:27 pmDoes my living around the corner from a drug store make me qualified to call myself a pharmicist ?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:29 pmmcain should have chosen Rudy. He has more experience, he single handedly fought off the terrists and excavated the World Trade Center, has been to Chinatown, Little Italy, and Spanish Harlem and NYC has a larger population than AK. Palin is the mayor of Alaska for less time than Mccain has been running for president.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pmI’m pretty sure the oil that was on the Exxon Valdez stayed in America.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pmWell Gregor, most days I take my little boat and row out into the ocean and drop a fishing line over. Then I talk to all the people rowing or floating by on their way back to Cuba with some black market goods or heading to the US either to seek freedom or drop of a shipment of drugs.
I was never bothered by the Coast Guard until that one day while fishing about fifty miles offshore I lit a joint out in the open. Three of them boarded my dinghy and even looked inside the unopened beer cans. They confiscated my laptop with a Verizon connect card which interrupted my blog reading and posting for that day.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:32 pmNo offense to teachers who are smart, as I know there are liberals with brains who choose education to make a difference.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
SAT scores are meaningless as measures of anything resembling intelligence. Standardized test scores vary directly with the socio-economic status of the family and, especially, with the fact of the mother’s experience with higher (post-secondary) education.
As a former University professor at two “research 1″ schools, i can attest that pre-service teachers are no less intellectually acute than bidness school or j-school students.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:36 pmljm Says: Just a question but how much of Alaska’s oil stays in the US and how much goes to other countries?
Actually, Bill Clinton stopped those exports in 2000, unless it’s now being done secretly…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pmIt should be obvious to anyone here that the possession of a degree bears no relation to the intelligence of the degree’d, nor necessarily to any practical expertise in the subject matter of that degree: take Bush, Rice and Rumsfeld for example or all the lawyers in Congress who are demonstrably incapable of making a rational argument or writing a simple law or of sticking to the law or understanding the ramifications of the laws they write or vote-for.
So this line of argument of who has a degree or what type of degree they might have is demonstrably pointless.
I’m just saying…
August 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pmmccain has liverspots with more foreign policy experience than palin.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:39 pmmccain has tumors with more foreign policy experience than palin.
mccain has polyps with more foreign policy experience than palin.
mccain has stained underwear with more foreign policy experience than palin
I’d say that mccian has forgotten more about foreignpolicy than palin knows but the list of things that mccain has forgotten is too long to start
Did you know that to fly from Anchorage to Moscow you have to fly through Seattle or Portland!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:44 pmI’m in FL. That currently makes me a hurricane expert. There is a bar down the street…that makes me a drunk
August 31st, 2008 at 12:44 pmSaint Augustine,
That’s an interesting story.
I believe all that experience qualifies you as the next secretary of state ;-)
August 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pmtokin librul Says: SAT scores are meaningless as measures of anything resembling intelligence. Standardized test scores vary directly with the socio-economic status of the family and, especially, with the fact of the mother’s experience with higher (post-secondary) education.
I wasn’t suggesting they measure intelligence. I was sharing the information that of all the students who take them, those with the lowest scores go into Education.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:45 pmWhat utter nonsense. Saying Palin’s knows foreign policy because AK is next to Russia would be like me saying I’m an expert on oceans because the Atlantic is just a few miles away.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:46 pmWell, I knew she’s rich but I didn’t know she’s also an airhead. I live in Texas – the state with the longest border with Mexico. I’ve talked with many Mexicans. Does that mean I’m on the short list for Ambassador to Mexico should McCain somehow win? That might be pretty cool.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pmaverage lowest scores
August 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pmIt’s very early and we’ll get a much better idea of Palin’s impact during/after the convention, but this poll from zogby doesn’t show McCain’s choice of Palin as much of a misstep:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
August 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pmHere’s a sample from the data:
August 31st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
This Proximity Theory is great–much easier to grasp than String or Quantum Theory! I think I’ll have a go:
First of all I’m from the UK ergo I understand how to run a Global Empire.
Secondly…. ummm…
Well, I think the first point pretty much covers everything.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:48 pmthomthum Says:
I’m in FL. That currently makes me a hurricane expert. There is a bar down the street…that makes me a drunk
LOL
I live across from an elementary school…that makes me a kid.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:48 pmA Zogby poll ?
Why not just post a link of the White House’s web site ?
August 31st, 2008 at 12:51 pmCindy is such a stupid bimbo Barbie!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:52 pmShe is no Michele.
I live in a state in the US that uses nuclear power and has a nuclear reactor.
Therefore , I would like for you all to refer to me as MCMetal – nuclear physicist/specialist……….
August 31st, 2008 at 12:53 pmBy the way, I’m currently studying for the GRE to apply to a PhD program in Educational Psychology.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:53 pmunbelievable.
You’re right about this. But, if you compare apples to apples (Palin to Biden) you could make the argument that Biden was tried by the campaign process and reject by the American people. He did try for the Democratic nomination for President.
So, you can make the argument that McCain is unilaterally choosing Palin as his replacement without a vetting process by the American people. But, you can also make the case (maybe a more damning case) that Obama is unilaterally going over the heads of the America people and choosing a running mate that the American people have already decided they don’t want in the White House.
An interesting debate, but obviously the answer will come in November.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:55 pmbackup Says: It’s very early and we’ll get a much better idea of Palin’s impact during/after the convention, but this poll from zogby doesn’t show McCain’s choice of Palin as much of a misstep:
Zogby? Zogby? LOL!
They much have called McCain’s campaign headquarters to do the polling…
Even Cindy McCain’s step-sister supports Obama.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:55 pmTHIS JUST IN… Neither Bush nor Cheney will be attending this year’s Repugnant Convention. Bet you a hurricane that McCain feels like he died and went to heaven!
August 31st, 2008 at 12:57 pmunbelievable Says:
By the way, I’m currently studying for the GRE to apply to a PhD program in Educational Psychology.
Oh sure, try and better yourself. Go ahead and try learn how people learn blah blah blah.
What stock do you have?
Which myths are your favs and which to you follow?
Can you lie in front of a camera?
These are the ’skills’ you need to fit into the Conservative form of governance.
You should be purging any ’stuff’ you learnt.
/sarc off
Good for you Unbelievable. I would wish you luck but I don’t believe in luck, I believe you will pass because you are intelligent.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pmbackup Says: You’re right about this. But, if you compare apples to apples (Palin to Biden) you could make the argument that Biden was tried by the campaign process and reject by the American people. He did try for the Democratic nomination for President.
That’s ridiculous. Only one person could be the Presidential nominee, and the people picked Obama. The fact that they didn’t pick Biden for VP is NOT even an option. In the primaries, you can only vote for one person. You don’t get a “who do you think should be VP” vote.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:59 pmBut, you can also make the case (maybe a more damning case) that Obama is unilaterally going over the heads of the America people and choosing a running mate that the American people have already decided they don’t want in the White House.
~backup
No, you silly twit.
The American people did not decide anything of the sort. It was registered Democrats who decided they don’t want him as president. That was the nomination process, remember?
Obama can pick anyone he very well bloody pleases. That his prerogative, in the same way McCain is free to pick some bimbo whose foreign policy “experience” boils down to the fact that she lives in Alaska. If that doesn’t sound ridiculous to you, you need help.
By the way, do you live in proximity to a river, a lake? Or in a state that has either? Because that would make you a hydrology expert, by the McCain campaign standards…
August 31st, 2008 at 1:01 pmunbelievable Says:
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tokin librul Says: SAT scores are meaningless as measures of anything resembling intelligence. Standardized test scores vary directly with the socio-economic status of the family and, especially, with the fact of the mother’s experience with higher (post-secondary) education.
I wasn’t suggesting they measure intelligence. I was sharing the information that of all the students who take them, those with the lowest scores go into Education.
I completely agree, tokin librul. unbelievable, I didn’t take your stats to mean any kind of support for the test.
SAT testing requires isolated testing taking skills, or tricks. I did poorly on the SAT and switched to ACT, where I scored much higher because their testing is more curriculum-based. Even the Priceton Review contains criticism in their prep books.
Anxiety-prone teens are unfortunately made to believe these tests are life-and-death. And this seems to be true to some degree — colleges who recieve lots of good applications turn to the scores as an easy way the pare down the applicants to class size. This potentially has the effect of turning away more qualified students. That doesn’t seem to matter as much as placement on national rankings, so admissions offices are happy to maintain that aura of prestige.
I’m sure you know that UC Berkeley created a stir years ago when they dropped the SAT requirement, prompting the collegeboard to redevelop the test. If I were still in the zone to choose which test to take, I’d still choose the ACT. (ACT hasn’t been free of criticism either)
August 31st, 2008 at 1:04 pmlivelongandprosper Says: I would wish you luck but I don’t believe in luck, I believe you will pass because you are intelligent.
I’m blushing…. Thank you for your kind words. I really want to make a difference. I care more about contributing to society than about making a lot of money.
I only mentioned it to show that I wasn’t insulting all teachers – just the ones who do contribute to the problems with the education sytem.
I like Obama’s plans for Education. NCLB has done so much damage!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:06 pmGallup is no better than Zogby, but I post this to show that the troll failed to mention that Palin has turned women AWAY from McCain:
Surprise? First Two National Polls Find Palin Gains LESS Support from Women
NEW YORK The first national polls on John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin yesterday came out today from Rasmussen and Gallup — and contrary to what the GOP probably hoped, she scored less well with women than men.
Here’s a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women — including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination — 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.
From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president — but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844485
August 31st, 2008 at 1:10 pmunbelievable Says:
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livelongandprosper Says: I would wish you luck but I don’t believe in luck, I believe you will pass because you are intelligent.
I’m blushing…. Thank you for your kind words. I really want to make a difference. I care more about contributing to society than about making a lot of money.
I only mentioned it to show that I wasn’t insulting all teachers – just the ones who do contribute to the problems with the education sytem.
I like Obama’s plans for Education. NCLB has done so much damage!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Well
What can anyone expect from a clueless clod who tries to enact an education bill , when he himself is a product of a bought and paid for faux education ?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:13 pmBackup, Biden is part of the ticket. I look at the primary job of veep as being the senior advisor to the POTUS. Biden’s loss was one contest, and there’s a new contest on the horizon as he is part of the ticket. I think he’ll be a good complement Obama’s leadership style.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:13 pmAlecto Says: “SO, Maine, Montana, WIsconsin, Wachington, Texas,(Emhasis added) NM, Arizone, Florida, California, New York, etc, Govs are then ALL CAPABLE foreign policy wonks by virtue of their proximty to a foreign entitiy? I think not.”
And you are absolutely right. Just look what the last “Gubner” from Texas did to our foreign policy!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:14 pmMcWars Says: Even the Priceton Review contains criticism in their prep books.
Theirs was my main GRE study guide. I love their approach, and their sense of humor. I recommend their study guides to all my students.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:14 pmPalin is mccain’s attempt to pander to the rich-old-white-guy-who-has-a-trophy-wife demographic
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pmAlso from Gallup:
There is wide uncertainty about whether she’s qualified to be president. In the poll, taken Friday, 39% say she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33% say she isn’t and 29% have no opinion.
That’s the lowest vote of confidence in a running mate since the elder George Bush chose then-Indiana senator Dan Quayle to join his ticket in 1988. In comparison, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was seen as qualified by 57%-18% after Democrat Barack Obama chose him as a running mate last week…..
Among all those surveyed, 35% call Obama’s speech at Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium Thursday night excellent, 23% good, 15% “just OK,” 3% poor and 4% “terrible.” Sixteen percent say they didn’t see it and 14% have no opinion. That’s higher than the ratings for acceptance speeches by President Bush and Democrat John Kerry in 2004, by Bush and Democrat Al Gore in 2000 and by Republican Bob Dole in 1996.
Asked about the Democratic convention’s impact, 43% say it makes them more likely to vote for Obama, 29% less likely. Nineteen percent say it won’t make a difference.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pmbackup Says:
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Excellent point! Palin was not tried through the campaign process and elected.
unbelievable.
You’re right about this. But, if you compare apples to apples (Palin to Biden) you could make the argument that Biden was tried by the campaign process and reject by the American people. He did try for the Democratic nomination for President.
So, you can make the argument that McCain is unilaterally choosing Palin as his replacement without a vetting process by the American people. But, you can also make the case (maybe a more damning case) that Obama is unilaterally going over the heads of the America people and choosing a running mate that the American people have already decided they don’t want in the White House.
An interesting debate, but obviously the answer will come in November.
August 31st, 2008 at 12:55 pm
The Senate building is a lot closer to the White House than the Alaska governor’s mansion ; and Biden has repeatedly been re-elected by his constituents.
Palin is a 1st term governor ; your argument (typically) makes absolutely zero sense.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pmGregor. I may be silly. But answer me this:
Democrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup, when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience. The vetting argument makes sense to me. But, the combined ticket of McCain/Palin will be vetted in the months to come.
But, she’s been an executive at the city level, she’s the governor of a state with 70% approval ratings. She’s got the record of fighting corruption and fighting the bridge to nowhere. And apparently a bi-partisan effort to fight oil companies and building the natural gas pipeline.
Maybe not the most extensive resume for someone running for national office, but really, what has Obama really accomplished?
Besides being the best orator I’ve seen, and being a member of committees he doesn’t attend often, (because he’s running for president) what has he done?
Are there bills he’s sponsored. Projects he’s accomplished? Initiatives he’s even started? I’m asking the question because I don’t know. And I should.
Palin’s list of accomplishments is good, but short. Will someone here please offer a list of Obama’s accomplishments – real accomplishments – so that I can make an honest comparasion and to make a better decision.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pmMCMetal Says: Well what can anyone expect from a clueless clod who tries to enact an education bill , when he himself is a product of a bought and paid for faux education ?
I really wish Harvard and Yale would revoke his degrees.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pmNo wonder Cindy Lou is rarely let out to speak.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:17 pmBobwurst Says:
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Palin is mccain’s attempt to pander to the rich-old-white-guy-who-has-a-trophy-wife demographic
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Why would/does he need to pander to his fellow GOP politicians ?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:18 pmSo the rethuglicans are believing that we learn through osmosis? What a bunch of ignorant morons.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:20 pmbackup Says: Democrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup, when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience.
Obama has the same pre-presidential experience as Abraham Lincoln.
He’s also been scrutinized for the last two years, under which his judgment has been demonstrated to be BETTER than McCain’s.
Obama has a background in successful policy making, governing on a national level, as well as an extremely high intellect.
You cannot compare him to Palin who has done an absymal job on a town and state level. I’ve been to Alaska. It’s spectacular, but it’s not exactly a governing challenge… Is she can’t handle that, then how can she handle a country like the US?
Obama has successful NATIONAL experience, and Palin is a train wreck.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pmbackup:
An interesting debate, but obviously the answer will come in November.
Let us know how this fantasy election you’ve constructed turns out.
In the real one, Obama’s choice was never as important as McCain’s pick, because of McCain’s advanced age – which is historically unprecedented.
Comparing Biden and Palin on experience is a joke, as well as on ability/readiness to lead.
This will play out like a newer version of the old Lincoln joke:
What did John McCain say after a week-long binge?
“I nominated who?”
August 31st, 2008 at 1:24 pmbackup Says:
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Gregor. I may be silly. But answer me this:
Democrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup, when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience. The vetting argument makes sense to me. But, the combined ticket of McCain/Palin will be vetted in the months to come.
But, she’s been an executive at the city level, she’s the governor of a state with 70% approval ratings. She’s got the record of fighting corruption and fighting the bridge to nowhere. And apparently a bi-partisan effort to fight oil companies and building the natural gas pipeline.
Maybe not the most extensive resume for someone running for national office, but really, what has Obama really accomplished?
Besides being the best orator I’ve seen, and being a member of committees he doesn’t attend often, (because he’s running for president) what has he done?
Are there bills he’s sponsored. Projects he’s accomplished? Initiatives he’s even started? I’m asking the question because I don’t know. And I should.
Palin’s list of accomplishments is good, but short. Will someone here please offer a list of Obama’s accomplishments – real accomplishments – so that I can make an honest comparasion and to make a better decision.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
You know , it would help your cause if you actually posted fact(s) , instead of bullshit GOP talking points………
Palin is going to be properly vetted inside of 2 months ?
Biden has been vetted for almost 3 decades ; where is there a legitimate comparison there ?
And this nonsense that she was “an executive at the city level” is absolute rubbish ; a population of around 5,000 , is sure as hell no ‘city’.
It’s a large igloo………….As for her “70% approval rating” ; she is a cancervative dope , who has a constituency that is 90% severe red state loyalist.Not exactly someone that is going to understand those in New York/Jersey , California , or from any other much more sophisticated area…..
And lastly , stop repeating the lie that she “fought” the bridge to nowhere ; she was finally against it when it was clearly apparent that federal funding was never going to fully fund it.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:25 pmbackup Says: But, she’s been an executive at the city level, she’s the governor of a state with 70% approval ratings
She lied. I posted a link higher up that shows her approval rating below 65% and declining.
Bush’s approval rating early into his career was 85%. Look where that went… It’s because people give new politicians the benefit of the doubt, and as they demonstrate their effectiveness, polls will adjust. Hers are headed south…
August 31st, 2008 at 1:28 pmBut, she’s been an executive at the city level, she’s the governor of a state with 70% approval ratings.
In the sixties, and trending downward, according to mudflats.com, an Alaska blogger.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:28 pmBest of luck to you in your doctoral pursuit, unb. Not that you need any.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pmbackup Says:
Gregor. I may be silly. But answer me this:
Democrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup, when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience. The vetting argument makes sense to me. But, the combined ticket of McCain/Palin will be vetted in the months to come.
But, she’s been an executive at the city level, she’s the governor of a state with 70% approval ratings. She’s got the record of fighting corruption and fighting the bridge to nowhere. And apparently a bi-partisan effort to fight oil companies and building the natural gas pipeline.
Maybe not the most extensive resume for someone running for national office, but really, what has Obama really accomplished?
I always regret taking you seriously, backup. But here is a list for you.
And you should do some research on Palin’s resume before you look more silly. She actually was in favor of that bridge until the funding was finally cut. If you want to read about Palin, you should start here and read all the posts in the “Sarah Palin” category.
You’ll find out a good deal about the “city” (of less than 8,000 people) and what she’s actually accomplished anywhere (like the $8 million that little “city” has got to pay off on one of her botched projects). And the pipeline.
Get back to us when you’ve finished all of this reading.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:33 pmIf you are making the argument that experience isn’t necessarily required to have a good president, you’re Lincoln comparison makes sense. But, at the same time you’re telling me that Lincoln was a great president and he didn’t have significant experience, you’re telling me that Palin is a ridiculous choice because of her lack of experience. That’s not making sense to me.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pmJMOHR Says: August 31st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
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It surprises me that the press will never follow up with some pointed questions after such a stupid remark. Some examples:
**When has corporate media ever done ANYTHING but give a free pass to any rethug idiots? They quake at the reality of any reporter even asking a tough question being excluded from ever being able to ask a question again. Look what happened to the Raw Story reporter. Even Helen Thomas (God bless her!) told Dana Peroxide that he had his hand up longer and she STILL ignored him. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Raw_reporter_reprimanded_for_raising_hand_0522_af.html
Sure, Obama might get more coverage but much of it is negative. This is unbelievable!
Speaking of Unbelievable (good segue, huh?) kudos for you and your efforts!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:36 pmDo these people REALLY believe that the American people are so stupid that they actually buy this crap??
It’s amazing the amount of COMPLETE DRIBBLE that’s coming from the smear machine these days and NO ONE IN THE PRESS (save a few) are evening questioning them..AMAZING!
The great rovian spin machine..you say it enough times its gotta be true…
August 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pmCindy McWar just got back from visting Georgia (in the Caucasus mountains area, not south of South Carolina), where she hung out with the lying war criminal Saskashvili. The Georgians just launched a vicious criminal assault on South Ossetia where they slaughtered as many people as possible with bombs, artillary shells, tanks and machine gun fire. Fortunately, the Russian army intervened and drove the Georgian military (trained by USofA and Israel) out of South Ossetia and back into Georgia. Russia just stopped the slaughter of its peacekeepers and its citizens in South Ossetia. This is what the lying Bush, McCain, Rice, Obama and Biden call “Russian aggression.”
August 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pmMcWars Says: Best of luck to you in your doctoral pursuit, unb. Not that you need any.
You’re sweet – thanks!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:38 pmgummitch.
Thanks for the links. I’ll check them out.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:40 pmbackup Says:
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Obama has the same pre-presidential experience as Abraham Lincoln.
If you are making the argument that experience isn’t necessarily required to have a good president, you’re Lincoln comparison makes sense. But, at the same time you’re telling me that Lincoln was a great president and he didn’t have significant experience, you’re telling me that Palin is a ridiculous choice because of her lack of experience. That’s not making sense to me.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I never presented that argument ; she is manifestly unqualified , based upon her beliefs/ideals and history of incompetence and being under federal investigation.
End of story.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pmbackup Says:
Why aren’t you doing your reading? You asked for information to help you make a “decision”. Go read the information provided.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pmMy MBT footwear might qualify me for an Ambassadorship in Africa and there is no oil tanker named after me that I know of. I was married to a Polish woman and know a few Polish words while my first wife was a coal miner’s daughter for Southwestern Pennsylvania which enhances my international appeal and blue collar backing.
Having visited Venice gives me insight in dealing with rising seas and getting drunk in Prague with Russians on vacation made me many friends to call upon (I think, hic). I’ve sung the Mass in the Karleskircke, home of the Opus Dei, which makes me religious and an expert on the Da Vinci Code.
Now that I think about those little events in my life and add them to big events I haven’t mentioned I realize I still lack POW experience nor have I ever belonged to the PTA so I guess I’m not qualifued after all.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pmbackup Says
Palin’s list of accomplishments is good, but short.
Getting into an ethics investigation during her first term, excellent accomplishment by Republican standards. Most Republicans take at least a 2nd term to get that far.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pmbackup Says: If you are making the argument that experience isn’t necessarily required to have a good president, you’re Lincoln comparison makes sense. But, at the same time you’re telling me that Lincoln was a great president and he didn’t have significant experience, you’re telling me that Palin is a ridiculous choice because of her lack of experience. That’s not making sense to me.
That’s NOT what I’m saying. Instead of assuming, why don’t you just ask? I’m always happy to educate you conservatives .
The point is that it’s about several things. Experience isn’t one of them. Quality of experience, which is defined by the consequences of the actions of experience, is one.
For example: Obama has shown, through 11 years of experience as an elected offical sound judgment, strong insight, high integrity and wisdom. It’s those qualities that define what kind of a leader he has been, and will continue to be.
On the other hand, should McCain kick the bucket, Palin, thorugh her 4 years of public service has bankrupted a town, supported a bridge to nowhere, fired someone over a personal dispute, and shown a complete lack of aptitude or ability to lead.
Ultimately, what we compare is not experience, but what the outcomes of those experiences have shown of the person’s competence and character.
Obama is ready. Palin is not.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pmAnd the beat goes on Says: Speaking of Unbelievable (good segue, huh?) kudos for you and your efforts!!!
Thank you so much!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pmgummitch. I looked at your link. Thank you. I dug a little an found this:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
I have the feeling that co-sponsoring a bill is more of a ‘me too’ than a personal initiative, but that’s a hunch and I would have to do more research on the bills he co-sponsored.
If you look at the bills he’s sponsored, 14 made it out of committee and 2 were enacted.
2 bills enacted into law. I have to go back and look at the bills to see how significant the laws are. But, it’s a different take.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pmDemocrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup, when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience. The vetting argument makes sense to me. But, the combined ticket of McCain/Palin will be vetted in the months to come.
Hillary tried to bring up the experience gap and she lost. McCain is similarly is trying to bring up the experience gap and he’s going to lose. The experience gap is not working because he has a superior vision for America than McCain, his national security priorities and economic solutions are superior to McCain, his judgment is not erratic like McCain and he has a real understanding of history, current events and the world and won’t repeat mistakes. Bottom line, the experience that John McCain has is wrong for America.
Palin on the other hand doesn’t seem to know anything about national security, foreign policy or economics. The only things I think she talk about is drilling, abortion and creationism. She will not be able to keep up with Biden unlike Obama.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:53 pmunbelieveable. sorry if I am misinterpreting you.
And Wayne. I look at an exchange we had yesterday again. It did come across the way you suggested. My bad. sorry.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pmIf you are making the argument that experience isn’t necessarily required to have a good president, you’re Lincoln comparison makes sense. But, at the same time you’re telling me that Lincoln was a great president and he didn’t have significant experience, you’re telling me that Palin is a ridiculous choice because of her lack of experience. That’s not making sense to me.
-Backup
Palin doesn’t have an understanding of the issues. She seems like someone who would parrot back anything the right-wing tells her without having a clue as to what any of it meant. She’s similar to George Bush.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:58 pmI agree with this. People have been wanting an end to corruption and partisanship forever. They also want someone not entrenched in Washington politics.
She’s got a short record, but it is quality in terms of fighting corruption and working across the aisle and she’s about as far away from Washington as you can get.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pmbackup Says: She’s got a short record, but it is quality in terms of fighting corruption and working across the aisle and she’s about as far away from Washington as you can get.
No, actually, it isn’t.
She fired a government employee for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law. That’s corrupt.
She bankrupted the town over which she was Mayor. That’s incompetence.
She supported Ted Steven’s bridge-to-nowhere. That’s poor judgment.
She is not change. She’s more of the same.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pmShe’s got a short record, but it is quality in terms of fighting corruption and working across the aisle and she’s about as far away from Washington as you can get.
It looks she’s as corrupt as all the other republicans in Alaska.
And are there any challenges that Alaskans face where they would need a governor anyway?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pmShe fired a government employee for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law. That’s corrupt.
-Unbelievable
And she was almost recalled as mayor for doing something similar.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pmSTUPID IS, AS STUPID DOES!!!!!!!!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pmbackup Says:
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The point is that it’s about several things. Experience isn’t one of them. Quality of experience, which is defined by the consequences of the actions of experience, is one.
I agree with this. People have been wanting an end to corruption and partisanship forever. They also want someone not entrenched in Washington politics.
She’s got a short record, but it is quality in terms of fighting corruption and working across the aisle and she’s about as far away from Washington as you can get.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
When you’re currently under federal investigation for “abuse of power(s)” , that is as close as anyone could get to being in Washington ; especially the White House………..
August 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pmPalin barely won the very red state of Alaska:
August 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
From an Alaskan journalist about Palin:
August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm
OMG … She has national security experience because Alaska is close to Russia??? WHAT?!?!
would McPOW + Palin equal our country’s must un-educated executive branch holders in U.S. history? Especially when you figure in McPOW’s 5th from bottom graduating class record.
I thought McPOW puts country first, not Evangelical Christians?
He is completely deluded if he believes that she is not s risk to national security and that women will vote for her just cuz she is the same gender. What a fool.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:17 pmAre you making the point that Alaska is a challenge free place or that conservatives require less governance?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:20 pmbackup Says:
She’s got a short record, but it is quality in terms of fighting corruption and working across the aisle and she’s about as far away from Washington as you can get.
You didn’t read any of the Palin material I linked to, did you?
Please do it before you post any more silly sh!t about her “record”.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pmSomeone should ask Paris, er, Cindy about Mexican history and policy. She lives right there along the border, she must have much to teach us about the land south of the border.
Can she at least order a Cosmo in Spanish?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:28 pmI live in New York City.
Close to the ocean: Marine Biologist
Met Museum, MoMA, etc.,: impressionist and modern artist
We have a mint: Sec of the Treasury
New York and Brooklyn Botanical Gardens: Arborist
NY Yankees and Mets: Major League Left Fielder
US Open is going on now: ranked tennis player
Blimps are flying over said US Open: Blimp pilot
Damn, I need to get down to Kinko’s and update my resume, I’m underpaid
August 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pmbackup Says:
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And are there any challenges that Alaskans face where they would need a governor anyway?
Are you making the point that Alaska is a challenge free place or that conservatives require less governance?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:20 pm
You need much instruction on how to build an igloo ?
How to coordinate your parkas with your mukluks ?
BTW
Cancervatives very obviously need MUCH MORE GOVERNANCE ; they’re into being told what to do , and by a “daddy/protector” figure…..
August 31st, 2008 at 2:31 pmWe now know Cindy McCain watches Fox Opinion Media, that line came from the morning show. Dooccceee made that case for Gov. Palin.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:34 pmgummitch. That post was from before I saw your link. I have read some of your Palin info (all the Obama info) and I’ll try to read the rest soon. Obviously, I’ll compare it with other sources and try to form a more unbiased view of the circumstance.
Thanks again for the link.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pmAre you making the point that Alaska is a challenge free place or that conservatives require less governance?
-Backup
Just answer the question: What are the challenges in Alaska that would require a governor?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:44 pmNat Says:
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Are you making the point that Alaska is a challenge free place or that conservatives require less governance?
-Backup
Just answer the question: What are the challenges in Alaska that would require a governor?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Santa Claus’ elves ; they hate the Eskimos for their freedoms….
August 31st, 2008 at 2:54 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm—-
Cindy McCain: Palin knows foreign policy because ‘Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia.’
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Not only that, Palin knows plumbing because she has sat on a toilet. Moreover, her posterior didn’t merely get close to the porcelain, she actually maximized the surface area of contact between her skin and the toilet seat by dropping trou.
Folks, if you haven’t seen the film Idiocracy, rent or buy it. We’re on our way!
- Tom
August 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pmWhen she was at USC, Cindy totaled the Porsche her daddy bought her, so he replaced it with a Mercedes.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:48 pmDemocrats seem upset that McCain could pick someone with relatively little experience as a backup,
~backup Says:
Right, because Republicans have said only positive things about McCain’s choice.
when the Democratic frontrunner similarily has relatively little experience. The vetting argument makes sense to me.
Right, but it was the Republican side who made experience an issue, now wasn’t it? And is anyone defending Obama’s experience on the basis that he was senator for a state that is close to another country? No, because saying that is openly stupid.
But, she’s been an executive at the city level,
Yeah, those are some credentials -executive level experience in a town (not city) of roughly 6,000 people.
Maybe not the most extensive resume for someone running for national office, but really, what has Obama really accomplished?
Again comparing pears to apples. Obama is not running for VP.
Will someone here please offer a list of Obama’s accomplishments – real accomplishments – so that I can make an honest comparasion and to make a better decision.
This is a waste of everyone’s time. You already have your mind made up and this is a bait to get people to post so you can have “fun” dismissing them.
And I find it highly ironic that you supported George Bush all these years when it was obvious that, not only he didn’t have the necessary experience (on whatever scale you want to measure it), his presidency has been a complete disaster.
But now you are oh so worried about experience and good governance? Puh-leeze.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:55 pmAre you making the point that Alaska is a challenge free place or that conservatives require less governance?
~backup
Well, isn’t less government a conservative mantra?
If less government is a good thing (the smaller, the better) it follows that being a conservative governor cannot be that much a a challenge -you see, they wouldn’t have much to do: All is accomplished thanks to the invisible hand, the magical forces of the free markets, competition, and self-reliance on the part of the people.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pmFor God’s sake, could somebody give sugar mama Cindy a map!! She must have taken too many pain killers. Is that what make Sarah “Gidget” Palin qualify to know foreign policy because Alaska is close to Russia??? With more idiotic comments like this, Grampy McCain just handed Obama the presidency.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pmGregor. I think your starting to get it.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pmGregor. I think you’re starting to get it.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pmBackup, and you are still as far removed from “getting” anything as always.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pmGregor. I agree with some of your post around #145 except:
I realize that Palin to Obama is apple to pears, but it makes the argument even more significant because Obama is the top of the ticket.
And I agree that I would probably refute the Obama experience question, unless the information was irrefutable. Democrats refute Palin’s accomplishments. If you’re objective you would concede that Obama’s record seems about as thin as Palin’s.
I appreciated gummitch’s link. There are alot of impressive numbers. But there were only 2 bills that he sponsored that became law. Were those bills significant. That information would probably be more readily available it they were. He co-sponsor quite a few more, but what was his role as a co-sponsor?
Obama’s been running (a great campaign) for 2 years. Instead of ‘here’s the number of bills his name is on as a co-sponsor’, shouldn’t there be a clear, concise list of his accomplishments? Accomplishments that most Americans could already be familiar with? Maybe there is. I’d like to see it.
If he hasn’t had a chance to rack up significant accomplishment, unbelieveable’s Lincoln comparison can be used. That’s plausible. But, if that defense is used, attacking Palin’s lack of accomplishment becomes less credible.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pmPraise God!
Vice President Palin will be there, armed with her pitchfork, commanding what little is left of our tattered Army, when the red horde comes swarming across the Aleutian Chain.
/snark
Please: can the media offer Cindy McCain MORE opportunities to speak on behalf of her husband and his sidekick during the next sixty days? Please? Pretty please?
August 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pm#backup Says:
It’s very early and we’ll get a much better idea of Palin’s impact during/after the convention, but this poll from zogby doesn’t show McCain’s choice of Palin as much of a misstep:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
Sorry backup, but zogby is now and always has been a shill pollster for the RNC. We’ll talk later when all the polling outfits have done their bit and after people get to know who Sarah Palin really is.
Besides, it’s a little ridiculous to do a poll a day after someone is chosen especially if that someone is a virtual unknown.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pm#backup Says:
But, you can also make the case (maybe a more damning case) that Obama is unilaterally going over the heads of the America people and choosing a running mate that the American people have already decided they don’t want in the White House.
An interesting debate, but obviously the answer will come in November.
backup – you seriously need to find a critical thinking class at your local JC and take it. Your critical thinking skills are non existent. Just because the Democrats didn’t choose Biden as their top choice for President DOES NOT mean that they don’t want him in the White house, especially since he was nominated as VP.
I understand how panicked you and yours are these days, but at least try to make sense and bring forth a reasoned argument.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:01 pmbackup Says:
And I agree that I would probably refute the Obama experience question, unless the information was irrefutable. Democrats refute Palin’s accomplishments. If you’re objective you would concede that Obama’s record seems about as thin as Palin’s.
If you were objective, which is something I believe you are incapable of being, you would see that there’s no comparison between Obama and Palin in experience. I won’t go over it again because I’m sure the issue has already been addressed. By making that statement you have shown how inherently dishonest you are.
I’ll give you the same advice I give to others of your ilk, see, counseling now to learn to live with the anger and grief you are going to be suffering from on November 5. You and your’s time is up. We are mad as hell and we aren’t going to take it any more. We the people are going to take back our government from the neocons and the corporations.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:05 pmpawlenty also said she has experience because she is commander-in-chief for Alaska’s National Guard. WTF
August 31st, 2008 at 6:05 pmSo Cindy has much more money than her husband and she can’t buy anyone who will tell her the basic facts of the person who is now the GOP VP pick?! I see even the richest of the rich have to bite the cyanide bullet for the party.
Doesn’t this count as something like the blind leading the deaf, with a mute as the navigator of the group?
August 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pmTry this poll backup and go bullshit someone else. You are just full of it.
a more reliable poll for backup instead of his biased polls to make his point!!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 6:08 pmCindy, Cindy, Cindy,
August 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pmSarah, Sarah, Sarah,
Bristol, Bristol, Bristol,
Karl, Karl, Karl,
Baby, Baby, Baby,
Bilbo. I agree it’s too early to give the polls much credibility. Here’s the first line of my post:
But, I stand by my assertion that some of the early polling doesn’t indicate the level of objection to Palin that many here suggest.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pmIf Sarah Palin has foreign policy experience because of her state’s proximity to Russia, then Obama has presidential experience because he’s been in Washington, D.C.
August 31st, 2008 at 6:53 pmBilbo. Palin fights the republican establishment in Alaska and gets a tax increase on oil corporations. Then she gives out a tax rebate of $1200 per capita to help people cope with the higher costs of energy. In regards to Palin, what are you talking about?
August 31st, 2008 at 6:54 pmI’m not trying to be difficult, but I don’t think it has been addressed. What specific accomplishment can Obama claim?
What I’ve got so far is that Obama has been added as a co-sponsor to over 600 bills. That sounds good, but is his involvement when he co-sponsors a bill? He has also been the sponsor of 2 bills that eventually became law. How significant are those bills? More significant than Palin’s efforts in Alaska? Less? If we are talking experience, that’s the information that would shed some light.
Obama’s a member on several Senate committees and probably the chair of a couple. But, judging from another thread at TP, he (along with McCain) only show up about half the time (due to their campaign schedules).
August 31st, 2008 at 7:04 pmFred, which poll in your link are you referring too? I linked the Rasmussen poll last night. It shows initial reaction to Palin as favorable.
I’ll consider the poll you’re referring too, if you let me know which one.
August 31st, 2008 at 7:10 pmLooks like the hurricane is more important than this woman.
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August 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pmHow is she treating the native Alaskans? How many are in top positions?
August 31st, 2008 at 7:16 pmBilbo. Palin fights the republican establishment in Alaska and gets a tax increase on oil corporations. Then she gives out a tax rebate of $1200 per capita to help people cope with the higher costs of energy. In regards to Palin, what are you talking about?
Your truly are an idiot.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:18 pmWhat I still want to see is Cindy or any GOP saliva hacking operative produce any such evidence of Palin’s Govenorship that supports their claim that Palin has experience in Russain relations?
With or without proximity of Russia to Palin’s PTA, as well?
August 31st, 2008 at 9:34 pmPalin throws stones and shakes her fist in Russia’s general direction. That’s good enough for the McCain’s and the GOP in-general.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:41 pmhttp://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/casxsia/sarahpalin.jpg
August 31st, 2008 at 10:45 pmOpps! It got away from me! Here’s a picture of the woman that wants to be VP…(see above) I don’t know about you, but that really scares me.
August 31st, 2008 at 10:47 pmI realize that Palin to Obama is apple to pears, but it makes the argument even more significant because Obama is the top of the ticket.
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One more time: It was the McCain campaign that make a big ado about Obama’s supposed lack of experience.
If they really believed what they say, they would not have picked Palin -precisely because it puts a hole in their argument about “experience” in a candidate.
Stop being such a concern troll -what I predicted about your baiting people into posting only to dismiss them was dead on.
August 31st, 2008 at 11:22 pmIsn’t this a little bit like: I don’t know jack about foreign policy, but last night I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?
Mrs. McCain comes off as a bit of a dim bulb with this comment.
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Did you know that to fly from Anchorage to Moscow you have to fly through Seattle or Portland!
Huh, who would have thought. Seattle was also where she had to make a stop when she supposedly left the stage in Texas while giving a speech when her water broke on her latest baby. She then made the poor, rash decision to fly back to Alaska, because she wanted her child to be an “Alaskan”, so she lied to the airlines (It is unlawful to fly in active labor) and made the 8+ hour flight in ACTIVE LABOR, puttin both her own life, and the life of her unborn child at serious risk and peril. All for the sole purpose of having the child in Alaska. Not have the child at her home, or be with her family, but to have te child be called an Alaskan. Please help me here, is there some law or rule that ONLY those born on Alaska soil can be called Alaskan? I don’t get it. It just shows her life or death decision making skills, and they are piss poor. I, for one, do not wish her finger on the button, or anywhere near the friggin button. It also shows her willingness to lie to get her way, wven if it means to put her baby at risk. 8+ hours on a plane in Active labor. You child bearing women out there, is this doable?
OH and BTW, no one on the plane, nor the airline attendants had any idea this person was in distress or even pregnant.
There are lies either way in the Palin Down Syndrome baby is my baby cover story. It cannot be true.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:48 amDoesn’t that rationale make Cindy qualified as well?
1 – being from AZ, she knows all too well the foreign policy because of her proximity to Mexico
2 – Cindy has a uterus as well
3 – Cindy has executive experience with managing the family beer “bidness”
Whoopee! Let’s elect Cindy in the VP slot
September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 amJust sad. But “Alaska is so close to Russia” is my new ringtone.
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