Palin: Iraq is a war for oil.
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Palin: Iraq is a war for oil.
In a recent BusinessWeek interview, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) admitted that she believes the Iraq war was fought because of oil:
We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.
In May, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) also said that he plans to “eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.” He later backtracked from his comments, denying that he meant to imply that the Iraq war was fought over oil.
Update In June, Palin told Glenn Beck, "The average Alaskan says again we recognize these reserves being ready to be tapped. … We're ready to contribute more to the U.S. in terms of resources that can lead to a safer nation; and I say this while our nation is at war, while we're fighting, in some sense, over energy supplies."
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Did the Republicans even vet Palin? Or was she just a knee-jerk selection?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pmThe blind leading the blind….
August 31st, 2008 at 1:15 pmOy!! This woman is really stupid. Who in McSame’s Campaign vetted her? Was it even done?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:18 pmMcCain: Vetting….vetting…? Shut up, you little jerk!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:21 pmAh, picture this, with a very stiff southern breeze at their backs, Old John McWar and his new sidekick, McMoosekiller Gal, coming moseying into Minneapolis and ask where is the Greedy Oil Products (GOP) convention being held? It across the wide Mississippi, over yonder…
It sounds like McMoosekiller Gal may be slightly in touch with reality if she thinks that the colonial occupation of Eye-rack by the Bush gangsters is for oil… This may be a little too much consciousness for the Republicans to take…
August 31st, 2008 at 1:23 pmWhen afraid, human brain functions reduce themselves to the basic primordial ‘fight or flight’ mentality. Clearly there were ZERO higher brain functions involved in McCain’s selection of Palin.
Her selection has actually done the opposite of McCain’s intention to attract women, who do not see her as qualified!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:26 pmMark my words people…just watch them trip and fall over each other. Did McCain talk to her AT ALL??? Don’t seem to be on the same page about a few things here, and it’s only been a couple of days:)Iknow, I know!!! She was really a gift TO US! You see, she’ll overstep her bounds or say something SO not John McCain…he’ll have to flip flop (again)trying to backtrack and tell everyone that’s not what she REALLY meant to say and they will BOTH be exposed for the idiots they really are! Oh…I feel SO much better now:)
August 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pmPalin: Iraq is a war for oil.»
This woman knows/believes this , and still allows her eldest son to enlist to fight and perhaps die for this type of ‘reason’ ?
What the hell kind of mother is that , and even more important ; can anyone try and claim she isn’t owned by big oil ?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pmThis was who Limbaugh and Rove vetted as their best choice? Someone the man met only one time before August 29th? It certainly wasn’t McCain’s first choice. Think how emasculated and irrelevant Romney and Pawlenty have now become.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:31 pmNext they will tell us that Palin doesn’t speak for Palin. And since McCain doesn’t speak for McCain…who the hell is talking over there? SOMEONE is wearing the big boy pants.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:34 pmI don’t wanna say Palin is “out of the loop” but in her first meeting with McCain she was shocked to learn he had been a POW. She asked the Senator, “What Japanese island were you kept on?”
August 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pmThis really belongs on the Cindy McCain thread. but it’s still marginally in-topic and just for fun, so forgive me..
REPUBLICAN VILLAGERS: We found a Vice President! Elect her! Elect her!
PALIN: Who, me? Okay…
SIR BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a worthy of being Vice President?
VILLAGERS: She’s a woman! She was a mayor of a town with a population equivalent to a typical suburban hair salon’s monthly average of customers!
SIR BEDEVER: Annnd….?
VILLAGER: Er…and….we’re desperate.
SIR BEDEVERE: Tell me, does she have any national security or foreign policy experience?
VILLAGERS: She has five kids! She lives in Alaska!
SIZR BEDEVERE: Ah, but do not moose also live in Alaska?
VILLAGERS: Oh yeah…s’pose your’e right…hadn’t thought of that….
SIR BEDEVERE: What is near Alaska?
VILLAGERS: A very expensive pointless bridge! Oil! Discovery Channel film crews!
KING ARTHUR (emphatically): Russia!
SIR BEDEVERE: Exactly! So if she weighs as much as a moose….?
VILLAGER: she…er…she lives near…Russia….?
SIR BEDEVERE: and therefore she has….?
VILLAGER: er….national security and foreign policy experience?
SIR BEDEVERE: and therefore…
VILLAGERS: She can be a Vice President! Elect her! Elect her!
SIR BEDEVERE (to KING ARTUR): And who are you sir, who is so wise in such matters?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:39 pmARTHUR: I am King Arthur, and I have been within several hundred miles radius of many things and places.
SIR BEDEVERE: Well, that explains it then.
Wow. Actually Hack&Sack Palin may not be so stupid. She is actually calling Black, black…instead of Neocon White.
OTOH I doubt if those same neocons or the McCain’s lobbyist campaign mgrs will relish this statement and so will wave their magic media wand and turn it into the color of, oh I don’t know, maybe magenta mama?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:39 pmThe spin factory’s going to be working more overtime. They thought they were losing sleep with one weather vane candidate, but no one can stay on top of two. They hope everyone else will get boged down trying to dissiminate what Token has said in those long 20 months.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pmBadmoodman Says:
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I don’t wanna say Palin is “out of the loop” but in her first meeting with McCain she was shocked to learn he had been a POW. She asked the Senator, “What Japanese island were you kept on?”
August 31st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
She was actually misquoted.
She really asked him what it was like to be captured by the Redcoats , and what kind of people were Washington , Adams and Jefferson………
August 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pmZooey,
Or is the blonde leading the blonde?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pmUh… Isn’t the bigger story here that this supposed energy expert thinks the US can actually be energy self-sufficient?
“Domestically we have the supplies ready to go.” Huh??
August 31st, 2008 at 1:45 pmHow Insane Is John McCain Says:
Didn’t get the memo? She lives in Alaska, which has oil, therefore, she’s an expert.
Speaking of nonsensicle.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pmMcMetal: This woman knows/believes this , and still allows her eldest son to enlist to fight and perhaps die for this type of ‘reason’ ?
Well she can’t really stop him–he joined the AK-NG at 18 and he’s an adult. Some kids take their cues from their parents, some don’t. This kid may just want to go to war as so many kids do.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pmBut yeah, it is discomfiting.
There’s a way to solve this “energy crisis”…
First, watch this short Reuters news video.
Then read this article.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:53 pmAdmirable, the truth spoken by a Republican at last!
August 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pmThe U.S. currently imports ~15 million bbls/day. Domestically, the U.S. reached peak oil in the late seventies. Doesn’t anyone in media dispute gross lies anymore?
The only way to impact oil imports any time soon is through use efficiency.
Not to mention – any pipeline in the soon-to-not-be-arctic North is an ideal terrorist target.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:54 pmHaving just watched Bartiromo talking about the Palin interview, Maria neglected to mention this little morsel. So Bart’s on the bus for the maverick; who’d ‘a thunk it?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pmMCMetal Says:
This woman knows/believes this , and still allows her eldest son to enlist to fight and perhaps die for this type of ‘reason’ ?
August 31st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
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We must drill for oil there, otherwise the terrorists will drill for oil here.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pmShe’ll spend 10 minutes in Republican Hell for saying this!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:02 pmHmmmm. Let’s see here. So far, McNumbNuts has exploited:
- oil crisis
- war for oil crisis
- racisim
- women
- his POW story
- Hurricane Gustavo
- fear
- greed
With all of that, he is still running behind Obama. What is he going to have to exploit next?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pmWe are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.
Insightful and stupid in the space of one sentence. So if McCain gets elected we can have two idiots speaking for America for the price of one.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 31st, 2008 at 2:06 pm.
Ahhh she’s so – “Naughty Librarian…”
…er, I’m glad she’s not too contriving over why America has committed WAR CRIMES against nations that never attacked America.
Maybe for Halloween, the Liberal Girls can dress up to be Sarah Palin.
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August 31st, 2008 at 2:06 pm#CB_Brooklyn Says:
There’s a way to solve this “energy crisis”…
First, watch this short Reuters news video.
Then read this article.
It helps if you put a little information about what you’re linking to. Many people (like me) won’t blindly go to links without having an idea what it is about.
Thanks for the consideration.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:08 pma nod to How Insane…
PALIN: “We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources…”
This is true (and the vast majority of wars have been fought over contested resources, to acquire resources not appreciated by those who have them or to defend existing resources). In this case it was, is and always has been about securing and controlling the world oil-energy market for the overwhelming benefit of the US so that it could flourish whilst other oil-energy dependent nations would wither over the next 50 years and ensuring the US’s position as an unassailable ‘hyper-power’ for the near future and all that that would imply. That was the PNAC vision (which would be made possible by one-party GOP rule).
BUT Palin concludes with a statement entirely divorced from the reality she just described:
“…which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.”
So we’re fighting for oil we don’t need? And she therefore thinks that her argument AND the war both make perfect sense?
She’s more insane than McCain.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
America is obliged to go green. It’s not in America’s style or heart to kill for resources.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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You’re kidding, right?
I mean, maybe if you’re not counting the genocide of Native Americans and Pacific Islanders for land resources, or raping of Africa for labor resources, or overthrowing governments and sparking civil wars over everything from oil to coltan to bananas, perhaps. But I’d argue that killing for resources is definitely in the heart, soul, and history of our country.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pmWith all of that, he is still running behind Obama. What is he going to have to exploit next?
Meet The McCain Bunch.
It’s the story, of a rich beer heiress,
who had some daddy issues to resolve…
August 31st, 2008 at 2:09 pmOops. She told the truth. They’ll have to kick her out of the Republican party. I understand Bob Barr needs a VP.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pmIs anyone else getting an weird feeling about this? One would like to withhold judgment, but this is getting a little creepy.
Small town politician – to 18 month Gov.
Scandal plagued throughout
Limited opinion of matters national and international
The conservative blogs have started to back away from their initial defense of the pick and asking, because it’s only fair given Obama’s lack of experience, that we give her a chance.
WTF?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:15 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
America is obliged to go green. It’s not in America’s style or heart to kill for resources.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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You’re kidding, right?
I mean, maybe if you’re not counting the genocide of Native Americans and Pacific Islanders for land resources, or raping of Africa for labor resources, or overthrowing governments and sparking civil wars over everything from oil to coltan to bananas, perhaps. But I’d argue that killing for resources is definitely in the heart, soul, and history of our country.
Let’s not overlook what is still happening right now, as we
August 31st, 2008 at 2:19 pmspeak, to to the people of Nigeria and what they are dealing with because of our Amerian Shell Oil Co.
oops, American, not Amerian
August 31st, 2008 at 2:20 pmThe conservative blogs have started to back away from their initial defense of the pick and asking, because it’s only fair given Obama’s lack of experience, that we give her a chance.
WTF?
Now is when we need Hillary to step up and hammer home the lack of experience issue, in no uncertain terms. She is in a unique position of being able to deflate Palin, and not have it be viewed as a misogynist attack – to bring her voters back into the fold.
They’ve been playing electoral chicken long enough.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pmMEMO TO LIBS: Hate to tell you all but our lives without oil would be pretty barbaric!!
There’s plenty of CNG, so stuff it.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pmNo, it is not in the style or heart of your average American to kill for resources. It’s only in the heart of our ruling corporate government.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Iraq was NOT initially a war for oil and if it was please tell me how much oil we are getting out of it!!!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
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674,000 barrels per day.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:28 pmJohn Kerry Says: MEMO TO LIBS: Hate to tell you all but our lives without oil would be pretty barbaric!!
Stop building strawmen. No one is suggesting we go cold turkey. It’s why Obama will set a goal ten years out to phase out/in the old/new. Capisce?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:28 pmunbelievable Says:
Stop building strawmen. No one is suggesting we go cold turkey.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:28 pm
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Strawmen are all the conservatrolls have. They can’t debate us with nuanced, reasoned arguments, so they debate our black-and-white doppelgangers instead.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:40 pmWASHINGTON — In the end, the choice of his running mate said more about Senator John McCain and his image of himself than it did about Sarah Palin, the little-known governor of Alaska whose selection has shaken up the presidential race.
For weeks, advisers close to the campaign said, Mr. McCain had wanted to name as his running mate his good friend Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, the Democrat turned independent. But by the end of last weekend, the outrage from Christian conservatives over the possibility that Mr. McCain would fill out the Republican ticket with Mr. Lieberman, a supporter of abortion rights, had become too intense to be ignored.
With time running out, and after a long meeting with his inner circle in Phoenix, Mr. McCain finally picked up the phone last Sunday and reached Ms. Palin at the Alaska State Fair. Although the campaign’s polling on Mr. McCain’s potential running mates was inconclusive on the selection of Ms. Palin — virtually no one had heard of her, a McCain adviser said — the governor, who opposes abortion, had glowing reviews from influential social conservatives.
At 11 a.m. on Thursday, at the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, Ariz., Mr. McCain invited Ms. Palin to join him on the ticket. He hardly knew her, and she had virtually no foreign policy experience, but Ms. Palin was a “kindred spirit,” a McCain adviser said. Mr. McCain was betting, the adviser said, that she would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year.
At the very least, the process reflects Mr. McCain’s history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. “I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can,” Mr. McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, “Worth the Fighting For.” “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/us/politics/31reconstruct.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
August 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pmJohn Kerry Says:
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Iraq was NOT initially a war for oil and if it was please tell me how mych oil we are getting out of it!!!
MEMO TO LIBS: Hate to tell you all but our lives without oil would be pretty barbaric!!
August 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Yeah , Iraq was for WMD’s that were never found , because they simply never existed.And if we aren’t receiving any oil (which we obviously aren’t) , why are we footing the entire bill for Iraq’s rebuilding ?
MEMO TO GOP/CHIMPY LEG HUMPERS : Our lives with oil seems even more barbaric………
August 31st, 2008 at 2:43 pmHi John Kerry.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:44 pmI probably missed you again but if you’re still about I just picked up a baguette and I have some lovely cheeses. Maybe we all could have a snackie and a chat. There is so much to talk of…
At 11 a.m. on Thursday, at the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, Ariz., Mr. McCain invited Ms. Palin to join him on the ticket. He hardly knew her, and she had virtually no foreign policy experience, but Ms. Palin was a “kindred spirit,” a McCain adviser said. Mr. McCain was betting, the adviser said, that she would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year.
How do you reclaim a ‘mantle’ that was erroneously handed to you in the 1st place , and which you’re attempting to reclaim with the assistance of a religious zealot , who is simply 1 amongst many silly sheep ?
How the hell does that make any sense ?
August 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pmhussein toasterhead Says: Strawmen are all the conservatrolls have. They can’t debate us with nuanced, reasoned arguments, so they debate our black-and-white doppelgangers instead.
You’re right. Whenever a con tries to define liberalism, it’s always absurd and ridiculous. Like everything else they believe…
August 31st, 2008 at 2:46 pmAt the very least, the process reflects Mr. McCain’s history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. “I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can,” Mr. McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, “Worth the Fighting For.” “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
August 31st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
How sweet of you to include the entire country and every citizen in it in regards to your risky decision , without asking anyone’s opinion or approval , 1st ; and to include them in the consequences of its possible aftermath.
And this turd claims he’s about/puts “Country 1st” ?
My ass……….
August 31st, 2008 at 2:50 pmMCMetal Says: How the hell does that make any sense ?
I found the whole article disturbing on this level, because it was clear that McCain’s whole strategy has simply been a poor facsimile of Obama’s – he’s swiped everything from the change mantra to the ‘washington outsider’ ideology. And because, as you mentioned, McCain was never a Maverick, it’s a lot like a conservative white man attempting to rap…
August 31st, 2008 at 2:52 pmMCMetal Says: How sweet of you to include the entire country and every citizen in it in regards to your risky decision , without asking anyone’s opinion or approval , 1st ; and to include them in the consequences of its possible aftermath.
I suppose it’s inevitable when conservatives think with their ‘gut’.
His best choice was probably Tom Ridge, or Mitt Romney. I don’t see how anyone with an IQ over 80 could pass over Kay Hutchison Bailey for Sarah Palin if you just HAD to have a conservative woman…
Fortunately, he’s offended far more women with his obvious pandering than he’s won over. Since women represent 57% of the voting population, I really think he just cut his own throat.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:55 pmshe would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year
NOUN: An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it.
So, in other words, Failin’ Palin has brought McNumbNuts back to his republican party “mother” so that he could be branded and become the party’s property.
Since McNumbNuts considers Failin’ Palin a maverick, too, I guess this means that he has put his brand (and maybe a couple of other things) on her.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:56 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
August 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm“Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
That’s all well and good, McNumbNuts. Up until now, your numerous hasty mistakes have been made as one of a herd of 100 senators and have been fairly insignificant. I’m okay with that.
But there is no way that I am going to live with the consequences of your hasty mistakes in the future. I have had eight years of the numerous hasty mistakes of GDumbya and Darth Cheney. The consequences of that will live on long after they move to Paraguay. I don’t have any room, energy or interest in taking on the legacy of your foolish and erratic behavior.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Well John, the Iraq war wasn’t about the truth, was it?
It wasn’t a vile of “Freedom agenda” Powell held up at the UN was it? The AUMF of 2002 wasn’t about safeguarding and privatising Iraq’s oil supplies while the munitions dumps got raided by militants, was it?
Oh, and us “Libs” just have to ask you one thing about OIL, how long do you want to be dependant on foreign sources of oil for that unending hunger for energy? Your “drill here, drill now” mantra only benefits the OIL giants as vast amounts of that oil NOW being pumped from America is being sold overseas. “Here and NOW” only cements their future profit$…
But then again, your a member of a Party that Prides itself on serving the interests of Big Fortune Corporations in lieu of the needs of the People… NO?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Iraq was NOT initially a war for oil and if it was please tell me how mych oil we are getting out of it!!!
So you’re admitting we were right to call the invasion a motivation for oil?
Stop calling it a war. Just when was war declared?
MEMO TO LIBS: Hate to tell you all but our lives without oil would be pretty barbaric!!
Sure, we’re not living life w/o oil just yet, but we’re sure selling a lot of it to foreign countries. If the government doesn’t curtail oil production entirely (which won’t happen and isn’t happening, but I’m playing to your irrational fears), what makes you believe the oil honchos won’t eventually sell every drop extracted to the highest bidder? Trusting the free markets without conditions would yield that result. So you go ahead and lobby congress to give the oil companies every line of regulatory relief they desire.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pmIf she agrees with most progressives that dependence on foreign oil is the cause of much of the warfare and that we should take steps to rectify the situation; wouldn’t it be an argument for progressives to support her selection?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm5150 Says: http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 8/ 30/ 121350/ 137/ 486/ 580223
Oh, oh. Clean-up on Aisle 2!
All RNC damage control personnel are instructed to report to the office immediately!
ROTFLMAO
August 31st, 2008 at 3:31 pmbackup Says:
If she agrees with most progressives that dependence on foreign oil is the cause of much of the warfare and that we should take steps to rectify the situation; wouldn’t it be an argument for progressives to support her selection?
backup, you silly little troll, don’t you realize that Failin’ Palin is getting water-boarded right now and it won’t stop until she is disabused of her “progressive” thoughts?
Next time you see her on TV, she will definitely look like she’s been rode hard and put away wet.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm“… the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.”
‘at’s right, chicky…
see, there’s the case – it’s not about the supplies, so much,
August 31st, 2008 at 3:36 pmas about the CONTROL OF the supplies…
McMetal: This woman knows/believes this , and still allows her eldest son to enlist to fight and perhaps die for this type of ‘reason’ ?
i was thinking the same thing…
August 31st, 2008 at 3:37 pmtom. she doesn’t really seem like she would be described as compliant:
http://reporternews.com/news/2008/aug/29/sarah-palin-the-joan-of-arc-of-alaska-politics/
August 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pmbackup Says:
If she agrees with most progressives that dependence on foreign oil is the cause of much of the warfare and that we should take steps to rectify the situation; wouldn’t it be an argument for progressives to support her selection?
August 31st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
No. Because she doesn’t agree with progressives on the larger picture. Yes, our worldviews intersect at the point that we’re in Iraq for oil and our dependence on foreign oil is a problem. But apart from that, we’re very different.
She believes that global warming is a hoax and that the solution to our oil addiction is to get more oil at home. We believe, based on overwhelming evidence, that global climate change is directly caused by our addiction to oil and that we need to wean ourselves off of it as quickly as possible in order to prevent future wars and save the planet.
August 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pmThis is from the ‘Joan of Arc’ link above:
Okay, she fights with the republican establishment and the oil companies to raise the tax on oil (that she thinks is unfairly low) and then pushes thru a $1,200 rebate for each citizen to help with high fuel costs.
I can see why progressives are so adamently opposed.
*sarc off*
August 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pmHmmmm, backup. A “Joan-of-Arc” link, huh?
Are you speculating that she might be a good candidate for burning at the stake? Actually, after the grilling she’ll be getting and the de-construction of her phony reformer/maverick description, she might wish that she had just simply been burned at the stake.
ROTFLMAO at you, cupcake!
August 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pmtom.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have the aptitude for a more serious discussion, but only the time and inclination for wisecracks and insults.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pmDear Backup,
Please back up and read Katy’s retort at #64
See, if we have the supplies here, then why is she letting her son go fight a war to protect our controll over other nation’s resources? Seems to me, fighting over controll of foreign natural resources ranks right up there with pillaging… NO?
How can anyone support that?
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August 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pmbackup Says:
Okay, she fights with the republican establishment and the oil companies to raise the tax on oil (that she thinks is unfairly low) and then pushes thru a $1,200 rebate for each citizen to help with high fuel costs.
I can see why progressives are so adamently opposed.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
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Yes – because she’s a faux-maverick who puts the politics of immediate gratification ahead of long-term solutions to chronic problems like oil dependence. It’s nothing more than the typical conserva-pandering that we’ve had 7 1/2 years too much of already.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pmMax-1. I’ve seen her in an interview. She gave a sincere impression that ‘we better not be fighting this war (Iraq) over oil, in part because her son was going over to fight it. She’s a mother and obviously concerned that we engaging our troops (and her son) legitimately.
I don’t believe that she is convinced that the war in Iraq is primarily due to the oil.
I also believe from the same interview that she intimated that if our foreign policies (like the war in Iraq) are being negatively influenced by our reliance on foreign oil, we should due more to produce our energy needs domestically – to include drilling ANWAR and the gulf coast and concurrently increased funding for renewables.
August 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pmI don’t believe that she is convinced that the war in Iraq is primarily due to the oil.
~backup
So you are going to second guess her words? Are you going to cherry-pick which of Palin’s statements to believe, then assign them a meaning that you like best? How very Republican.
You should have used the old “that quote was taken out of context” excuse. At least you won’t sound like a mind-reader wanna be.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pmOil has ruined Alaska. Not just the spills, but the jerks that invaded with the prospect of getting their greasy hands on some of the oil money. It used to be a great place.
August 31st, 2008 at 5:17 pmPalin just went up a couple of points in my books.
However, as McCain supports war for oil, etc….. As Palin sees this waste of life as a race for oil, the fact that she is McCain’s running mate on a platform of Bomb Iran seems rather incongruous.
August 31st, 2008 at 7:47 pmAnybody hear or read this story yet?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
Should be interesting when and if it hits the MSM.
August 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pmI’ll bet McCain quietly praised Obama’s vote on retroactive immunity for telcos in warrantless wiretapping cases.
There’s a lot for Republicans to like about Obama.
August 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pmThe whole “drill drill drill” thing is silly just for the
August 31st, 2008 at 8:34 pmfact that even if we started drilling now it would be years
before we could start pumping and our increase in supply
could be offset by OPEC decreasing supply keeping the price high.
John Kerry Says:
Iraq was NOT initially a war for oil and if it was please tell me how mych oil we are getting out of it!!!
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You are really STUPID John, the relevant question isnt how much WE are getting out of it but how much are the politically powerful corporations like Exxon and Mobile are getting out of it. As usual WE pay the price THEY get the profit. If you think that if Iraqs major exports were ARTICHOKES we would still be there you are even a bigger moron than you usually appear to be.
August 31st, 2008 at 9:19 pm#Ms_Joanne Says:
#CB_Brooklyn Says:
There’s a way to solve this “energy crisis”…
First, watch this short Reuters news video.
Then read this article.
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It helps if you put a little information about what you’re linking to. Many people (like me) won’t blindly go to links without having an idea what it is about.
Thanks for the consideration.
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Certainly. The first link is to a Reuters news video detailing the new Japanese water-powered car. The second link is to an article written by myself titled “The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression and the Global Elite’s Agenda”.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:28 amIf all the noisy excitement coming from the Religionists is any indication, I’d say she’s already been vetted. Not the conventional way – in the same way that Reagan and Bush (I and II) were vetted.
“Sen. John McCain has taken in $7 million in contributions since announcing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, a top campaign aide said yesterday.”
$7M – now that’s kind of change the McCain campaign can believe in!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:29 amIf mz. palin is saying this was a war for oil than she has admitted unambiguously that the Bush administration has committed a war crime.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 amSpying on it’s citizenry without a warrant ,
torturing (atleast 108 people ….to death !),
suspending Habeas corpus and posse comitatus ,
collecting a vast data base on it’s citizens (USA today),
opening our mail and packages (Seattle times),
kidnapping ,
employing signing statements inorder to put aside the constitution, (which has been called the greatest threat to our constitutional democracy in a generation by the American Bar Association).
creating it’s own private army (blackwater)to the tune of a billion dollars which has already policed the streets of New Orleans guns drawn on American citizens and operates just outside Washington DC (Democracy Now ).
Establishing a kangaroo court system to try ” enemy combatants” outside the courts and reserving the right to declare American citizens enemies of the state .
threatening Russia militarily by conducting war exercises with the Georgian ’s along the russian border a month before the conflict in ossetia and then delivering so called humanitarian aid to poor Georgia in destroyers off it’s coast(McCain’s neo con warmonger and none dare call it treason by Pat Buchanan )which Putin maintains is to influence the Nov elections.
Threatening to curtail free speech through the so called thought crime bill S1959/HR 1955 which would make it a crime to exercise your right of free speech .
This has all happened before in Germany, Italy, Russia and Chile ! Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it !
Good Morning NANCY PELOSI !
This “War on Terror”, the reason we’re in Iraq, has a lot to do with a New World Order, something George Bush Sr called for in a speech to a Joint Session of Congress on September 11, 1990.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:27 ambackup Says:
Max-1. I’ve seen her in an interview. She gave a sincere impression that ‘we better not be fighting this war (Iraq) over oil, in part because her son was going over to fight it. She’s a mother and obviously concerned that we engaging our troops (and her son) legitimately.
I don’t believe that she is convinced that the war in Iraq is primarily due to the oil.
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If she REALLY doesnt belive the Iraq war is about oil, sincerely not just it is the truth that cannot be said. Then she is clearly too stupid to be the VP of the PTA much less the USA.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:22 amfreeman Says:
If mz. palin is saying this was a war for oil than she has admitted unambiguously that the Bush administration has committed a war crime.
Spying on it’s citizenry without a warrant ,
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The Bush administration not only comitted a war crime it committed what the Nuremberg Tribunal called the Supreme War Crime, starting a war of aggression if the Nuremeberg precedent were applied he would be hanged.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:25 amWMD’s, Saddam, oil fields/haliburton, the Carlyle group…ahhhh well you know, the Republicans don’t feel bad about sacrificing over 4,000 U.S troops and innocent Iraq citizens for an unjust war.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:18 pmI’m just waiting for the moment when Palin says something really stupid, McCain than tries bail her out out. (I was going to say “cover he ass”, but I think he’s already got that covered.)”
He’ll say something dumber and the a-hole running the campaign will say something like,
Neither McCain nor Palin speak for the campaign!
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