Conservative Media Elites Blast Commenters On Liberal Blogs As ‘Vicious,’ ‘Hurting The Country’
Conservative Media Elites Blast Commenters On Liberal Blogs As ‘Vicious,’ ‘Hurting The Country’
Today in Minneapolis, The Huffington Post hosted a panel discussion about the rise of new media with a host of leading traditional media personalities. Conservative radio talk show host Laura Ingraham applauded the rise of the online journalism. “Look, the old media blew it; the free market does work,” she said. But many of her conservative co-panelists lamented the perils of this free market.
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said the flip side of the emergence of the blogopshere is that “it’s so ugly now in some parts of the internet” that good people are being dissuaded from running for office. Scarborough explained that he thought about running for Senate in 2005, but when word leaked out online and commenters began “trashing” him, he said, “screw this, I’m going to get paid for talking on TV.”
His fellow conservative media elites chimed in with similar criticisms:
Conservative columnist Peggy Noonan: The commenters “are much like what you would have gotten in 1880 if you walked into a bedlam with a megaphone and said, ‘I’d like to say a few words.’ It’s wild, it’s crazy, and it’s awful, and it’s often quite vicious.”
Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson: People are “really underestimating the vitriolic dumbness” that’s out there. “I don’t think there’s any way to understate it. … It’s mostly on the left,” he said, and it’s “totally intolerant.” It’s “the least liberal thing I have ever seen — the default position is ‘I don’t agree with you; you are either stupid or corrupt,’” he said. “I think it’s actually hurting the country.”
Conservative pollster Frank Luntz: “You’re right,” he said to Tucker. “Mean would not describe it. It is as humanly vicious as it possibly can be,” he said, adding that it is “deliberately insulting.”
Even liberal columnist Margaret Carlson echoed the views of her conservative peers. “The left is as vicious, if not more so [than the right used to be] and cruel,” she said. “There’s an element of ‘they’re mad and they’re not gonna take it anymore.’”
Scarborough then proposed a solution. “Why don’t internet sites that want to be respected make people [commenters] put their names and their phone numbers”:
If you are going to accuse me of being responsible for starting the Holocaust in 1939 or 1940, then you can put your name, and you can put your telephone number on there so I can pick up the phone and say, “Brother, my lawyer’s going to be calling you in about 10 minutes.”
Arianna Huffington agreed with him about the need to keep commenters from “hiding behind the cloak of anonymity.” Watch it:
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What liberal blogs are meaner, more vicious than the right?
Commenters who cross the line are banned.
On repugnican blogs, a dissenting comment can’t even get posted.
So what are they talking about.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pmand FOX news is “fair and balanced” ?????
September 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pmRight… like we have national radio shows and book contracts where we get paid big bucks to suggest gassing judges, hanging reporters from light poles, or slipping poison into folks’ “creme brule”…
Or comparing the POTUS’s daughter to a dog, or making fun of someone’s debilitating disease because he supports stem-cell research, or a spouse’s cancer because she backs her husband’s desire to run for office…
After all, we’re just unemployed slobs living in our mothers’ basements, chomping on Cheetos, slurping Mountain Dew, and playing w/ our Stars War toys…
September 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pmWhat’s vicious is the right-wing of our country supporting and waging an unjust war, opposing/fighting avidly against stem cell research that could save lives, and denying climate change as our world is destructing. Actions speak louder than WORDS.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pmIf you don’t like what’s being said, switch channels (or blogs, in this case). That’s what I do when Tucker or Joey is on.
What is up with Arianna?
BIG CRYBABIES!
Anonymously yours,
MADMAX
September 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pmWhat? The right wing media is afraid of us? Gee, it’s ok to have Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly say mean and hateful things but when the bloggers get angry and give it back to them, wow, they can’t take it and they start whining. Maybe if the press was doing its job we would be quiet and instead of speaking truth to the media about politicians, we could be discussing cookie recipes. Good, let’s keep it up.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pmDamn right, I’m angry as hell. I am SO done with this shit.
I want my country back.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pmThe media is coming unglued because of all the truth digging about Sarah Palin. W t F If McCain can’t do the vetting then someone has to and that someone is us.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pmYa know it didn’t used to be like this until the Republicans took over, divided us and turned us into a theocratic state that exports torture, lies at the drop of a hate, and makes cruelty a part of it’s mantra. I take FULL responsibility for my anger and hatred of the Right. And that anger and Hatred will continue until they have no more influence. For yuu are not a human being if you do note loathe the people that have done this to our Country and the world.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:51 pmTypical reichwingnuts. They accuse those who do not agree with their warped ideology as being exactly what they are. These people are the closest thing this country has ever seen to fascism. They lie, cheat, steal, and talk over anyone who has the audacity to try to discuss their criminal activities. They support W, Cheney, Rove, and McSame. What is not criminal about accomplices to the crime family?
September 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pmI’ll scarbaby my phone number when he posts his.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pmPeggy Noonan proved last Friday morning on MSNBC that she is a complete wacko and is as old and senile as McSame.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pmWho was the rightwing freak who posted the names and phone numbers of some students in CA who had to move becuase they were recieving death threats?
September 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pmArianna Huffington made this point:
The Main Stream Media Failed Totally to Uncover the Truth about Bush’s Rush to War in Iraq, and his deceitfull, and selective doctoring of the evidence for Saddam’s “Stockpile of WMDs”
This unmet Need fell to the blogosphere, who ended up doing the Media’s job for them, after it was Too Late.
The Mainstream Media’s failure to Investigate the Truth about Iraq allowed Bush’s Failure to conduct this misguided War.
In any case. I’d much rather be hit with Epithets, than with Shock and Awe or Secret Spying.
September 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pmblue state bob Says:
Why doesn’t Joe give us his phone number so we can call him and ask about his dead Congressional staffer?
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Geez, blue state bob, that’s not very sensitive of you… ***snork… giggle… BWAHAHAHAHAHA…***
Hey!!! Joe!!! Uuuuuuuuup Yoursssssssssssss!!!
So Lunts feels it’s “deliberaely insulting”…
Let’s poll a million Iraqis on this question, Joe, and Frank…
Oh… that’s right… we can’t… because they’re DEAD…
But… we’re too mean…
September 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pmWell, what a great success. At least we know that bloggers kept one moron from being in office. I wonder how many more there are?
September 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pmBobwurst Says:
Who was the rightwing freak who posted the names and phone numbers of some students in CA who had to move becuase they were recieving death threats?
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That would be the ever-so-demure Michelle Malkin, bobwurst.
Saaaayyy… am I sensing an undercurrent of, well, snarkiness in your comment?
You just aren’t coming across as particularly repentent here…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pmI got a better solution. Why dont you grow a set of balls!?!? You let commenters stop you from running. Your taking pu*** to a whole new level. Is that vicious enough for you?!?!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pmGood grief. I dislike hateful comments/blogs etc as much as the next, so I skip them. But… It is very simple and easy to switch channels or avoid websites you don’t like…and if you come across a statement you find ridiculous…you can skip it or make a retort/comment… if the site is a democratic site that allows comments. In fact it is primarily on the democratic sites where you encounter the full gamet of voices. There are idiots everywhere. And even an idiot may have a good point now and then. Free speech is not just about the speech you want to hear.
Sign your name and address so millions of kooks can get a hold of you if you disagree with whatever their world view is? Arianna are you out of your mind?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pmI think they’re afraid of the big, scary MOB. That’s what’s so troubling about democracy, innit?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm“Conservative Media Elites Blast Commenters On Liberal Blogs As ‘Vicious,’ ‘Hurting The Country’”
Let us examine this for a moment or two (probably like 30 minutes given my typing skills)”
“Conservative media”
An oxymoron that can not exist. The term “Conservative” has come to mean the “Right” (as opposed to left and not wrong (possibly another oxymoron)) end of a continuum. The term “Media” refers to the middle of that same continuum. One or the other but not both.
“Media Elites”
An oxymoron that can not exist. The term “elite” has come to mean the “superior” end of a social continuum. The erm “Media” refers to the middle of that same continuum. One or the other but not both.
“Blast Commenters On Liberal Blogs As ‘Vicious,’ ‘Hurting The Country’”
The true question! Why, oh why, does the CONSERVATIVE MEDIA ELITE care what we Liberal Middle Class Bloggers are posting on Liberal Middle Class Blogs?
The vernacular answer: THEY ARE SCARED SHITLESS!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pmWho wrote this, Karl Rove?
What is this “used to be” editorial comment.
Just today Karl Rove called Joe Biden a “big blowhard dufuss”. Have you heard any official Democrat say anything that personal and that mean about McCain or Palin? I thought not.
Thumbs down on this article. It is total crap.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pmAccording to Pollster Andrew Cohut on tonites PBS Newshour, the Percentage of Delegates to the Repucblican Convention that Think President Bush is doing a GOOD JOB….73%.
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madmax Says:
What is up with Arianna?
September 1st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
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Exactly! Standing up for what is right even though it goes against those who share her point of view?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm>MSNBC host Joe Scarborough
S#rew the pr&ck. The dude mysteriously resigns from office, a few weeks later a married intern he was allegedly having an affair with ends up dead, in his office, and her autospsy was performed by a coroner who “didnt feel her head injuries were worth mentioning”
Last I time i mentioned that here, we got some new poster/ concern troll “liberal3″ or something like that, claiming to be a liberal, yet saying that there was nothing to this because if there was the womans family would have persued it. sounds like i struck a nerve somewhere by mentioning it.
since the intern was married and her family are die hard republicans, its pretty likely that even if they though their daughter was murdered they wouldnt pursue it since he name would get dredged through the dirt as having an adulterous affair and possible resulting pregnancy and also it might cause some serious problems for the party the family were die hard supporters of..
September 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pmHow is that first amendment treating you Scarborough? I thought it was an inalienable right, not something to fear. Do these people think we aren’t saying these things in our homes?
I’ll consider “toning down the rhetoric” when our senators and representatives do the same. e.g. “go eff yourself” Cheney, “Big doofus” Rove, and the rest of the “liberals hate America” crowd.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pm>“The left is as vicious, if not
> more so [than the right used
>to be] and cruel,” she said.
Gotta love the kooky world we live in. People who say mean things online are somehow equated with mass murderers who start wars based on lies that gets hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed.
It was like that fruitloop yesterday trying to imply that being friend with a guy who said mean things (Ayres) was worse than arming and giving material assistance to a guy who DID very mean things, like Saddam Hussien…
Whoever made that above quote is a total tw@t, regardless of her political affiliation. apparently the old “stick and stones..” addage is something thats lost on her..
September 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pmTo the best of my knowledge, no “librul blogger” has invaded a country or raided the home of a bunch of kids who declared they were going to protest the RNC.
To the best of my knowledge, no “librul blogger” has imprisoned anyone without due process.
To the best of my knowledge, no “librul blog” has endorsed the enlistment of agent provocateurs to disrupt the electoral process.
I could go on for days. There really is no legit comparison between the “voice of the GOP” and the opposition. If they want to talk about cruelty and hate? Let them look no farther than the criminal policies of Bushco.
BTW. Nice sense of civic duty there “Scar-boy”. You have finally confirmed, in plain words, that you couldn’t care less about the stat of our society. Thank you for rescinding your right to comment on public policy you cowardly, thin-skinned, vain, irrelevant gas-bag!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pmHey Joe, question fer ya. If they cant handle people on the
September 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pminternet saying mean things, how can they handle Al-Queda?
I’ve said before, all of those dead and exiled Iraqis forced into prostitution aren’t exactly concerned about those angry librul bloggers spewing vitriol (you know, the ones making note of their troubles) over the mouthbreathers who sent them to their graves and out of their country. The ones here at home who harp non-stop about manners and civility tend to be the ones who pushed for the food fight in Iraq and its continuation, to its maximum profitability.
It looks as if abortion isn’t working, so it’s on to the next wedge issue.
If this country indeed looks to be on a path to recovery after Obama/Biden are elected, angry librul bloggers will dwindle and nobody will know what the hell the GOP is talking about once they bring it up in 2012. This would prove that those angry libruls are everyday smart Americans with a deep concern for their country.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pmHey Joe, My name is Crusty and you may reach me at 928 768-1430 (for real). However, to keep Granny from killing me it is our fax number. Just fax your problem and your credit card number and we will gladly help you.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:14 pmThe thinkprogress story right below says this:
I guess Tucker and Joe et al. never read the reich wing comments, which are usually SO vicious and almost always ad hominen.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pmLook at any website – the most insulting, profane, off-topic commenters are conservative / Republican. Trolls are the worst. Get rid of the hateful, foul-mouthed trolls & at least things could be more intelligent!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pmThat’s right, Joe, the GOP is YOUR PARTY after all. Going off on Shuster didn’t prove a thing.
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Chocolate Jesus Says:
Whoever made that above quote is a total tw@t, regardless of her political affiliation. apparently the old “stick and stones..” addage is something thats lost on her..
September 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
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Isn’t that old “sticks and stones” adage generally used to help people deal with bullies?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pmAlso, I don’t think “Scar-boy” can call anyone else a coward until he broadcasts his home phone number and address.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pmThe only vitriolic dumbness I see comes from websites like The Free Toilet and Little Green Dipshits.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pmAm I hearing what I’m hearing? Coming from the mouth of some of the most venomous asps in the media? It must be that the christofascists don’t like pushback.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pmYeah, if you want change you should go out and buy a media empire like Murdoch did!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pmmake no mistake…these scumbags goal is to find ANY excuse to censor and control the internet. as much as the internet is a bastion of buffoonery and at times, sheer lunacy, is it also one of the ONLY ways to get the truth out, as the media is increasingly becoming nothing more than a propaganda tool operated at a comparatively nominal profit by the military/industrial complex eisenhower so wisely warned us of..
when these guys lie, bloggers are the ones who out them before the day is done. 30 years ago, they could tell the same lies with impunity. they hate the internet because they can no longer lie without consequences and lying is thier primary method of operation and control..
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pete Says:
Also, I don’t think “Scar-boy” can call anyone else a coward until he broadcasts his home phone number and address.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
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You already know his name and where to find him. At least allow him the same privilege if you are going to trash him.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm… well, my daughter will remember when MY initiation to the blogosphere happened, at least 4 years ago… i was so distraught to know that people could think and talk (type) like that, so hateful and hurtful…
it started when a friend of my ditto-head-in-law replied directly to my feeble attempts so set the record straight against the (now) usual right-wing email lies… this guy was so rude and ugly and mean, a real pr!ck, and i told him so, eventually… i was so upset i had to talk to my daughter about it (her understanding of the nets being better… as if)…
and soon after i followed a link to redstate, or freeperville, unknowingly, the first and last time ever… it was like reading that guy’s rants all over again… down to the same catch-words and phrases and the personal attacks…
a real education – to know never to trust nor placate any of such ugly persons again…
those “conservatives” above who have complaints sound mostly like they’re not happy looking in the mirror…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:21 pm.
Meanwhile…
Flippy McSpin says: “My friends. Anyone who dares to get angry at the U.S. government is a traitor. Anyone who criticizes our great nation is no friend of mine. And no friend of yours, my friends”.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm… and THEN i discovered, on day one, ThinkProgress, and the learning process began in earnest…
the TRUTH, the ultimate cleanser…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pmHuh. How interesting. When I google “Joe Scarborough” and “Holocaust” I get NOTHING in the way of hits of liberals accusing him of starting the Holocaust.
I do, however, get this HuffPo coverage of him accusing those who don’t support Giuliani of being “Holocaust deniers.”
Joe Scarborough, who CAMPAIGNED AND RAISED FUNDS IN AUGUST 2004 for Bush while employed by MSNBC on his first low-rated evening show… whines about the Holocaust but HE’S the bully who uses the term.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/12/scarborough-likens-holoc_n_76438.html
I’ve got Google and I’m gonna use it!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm“There’s an element of ‘they’re mad and they’re not gonna take it anymore.”
Approval ratings for the president and congress speak volumes. I am mad and I’m not going to take it anymore. Eight years of Bush and Co is enough to drive any one crazy!
September 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm> Isn’t that old “sticks and stones”
> adage generally used to help people
> deal with bullies?
Dunno what you whackos use it for around your place,
but I was using it the context of saying that comparing viscious words and viscious actions is like comparing apples and organges. Theres really no comparing the angry, frustrated words of left wing blog COMMENTATORS to people who commit acts of violence on a global scale.
Its like the idiotic right wing argument “well clinton talked about how saddam should be removed ergo that justifies bush acting on that (idiotic) assertion”
and yes, as ive said many times before, i think its better to have a secular strongman running a 3rd world country than it is to let a bunch of religious fanatics of ANY religious persuation run the show..saddam wasnt killing people because they shaved their beards, were gay, or didnt wear burquas.
in fact, i beleive his argument was “i was fighting terror” or somethign similar, the exact same argument that bush’s lawyers have used to insist he has the right to sexually torture children if he felt it necessary…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pmThey are crazy I swear.
Dick Morris responding to a set-up question from O’Lielly about whether the conservative evangelicals are accepting Sarah Palin’s baby situation. Morris spins it that Sarah is loved because she is Pro-Life and had a baby which was her decision and that makes her Pro-Choice too.
Happened about 8:15 – 8:20 EDT.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pmFirst of all: I seriously doubt the Scar-boy’s home number and address are listed. They may be easy to obtain but, he damn well doesn’t broadcast them along with his commentary.
Second: He made a call for commentators to publish personal information along with their comments. He should be eager to hold himself to the same standard, no?
Third: I criticize him because he’s an ignorant, arrogant, cowardly, irrelevant gas-bag. His hypocritical appeal for people to give out private information is just a tiny extra rose on a well-decorated cake.
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bamjaya Says:
I do, however, get this HuffPo coverage of him accusing those who don’t support Giuliani of being “Holocaust deniers.”
September 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm
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He said nothing about those who didn’t support Giuliani. He simply compared those who deny the Holocaust happened with those who deny Giuliani did any good. At least be honest.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:31 pm“Arianna Huffington agreed with him about the need to keep commenters from “hiding behind the cloak of anonymity.”
But it’s ok for reporters to use unnamed sources for their new stories. Why don’t reporter sources stop hiding behind anonymity?
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Chocolate Jesus Says:
> Isn’t that old “sticks and stones”
> adage generally used to help people
> deal with bullies?
Dunno what you whackos use it for around your place,
but I was using it the context of saying that comparing viscious words and viscious actions is like comparing apples and organges. Theres really no comparing the angry, frustrated words of left wing blog COMMENTATORS to people who commit acts of violence on a global scale.
Its like the idiotic right wing argument “well clinton talked about how saddam should be removed ergo that justifies bush acting on that (idiotic) assertion”
and yes, as ive said many times before, i think its better to have a secular strongman running a 3rd world country than it is to let a bunch of religious fanatics of ANY religious persuation run the show..saddam wasnt killing people because they shaved their beards, were gay, or didnt wear burquas.
in fact, i beleive his argument was “i was fighting terror” or somethign similar, the exact same argument that bush’s lawyers have used to insist he has the right to sexually torture children if he felt it necessary…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pm
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Now back to the viciousness of bloggers (left and right) and how it turns off the average person who might be trying to learn about the issues even though they hate politics.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pmAnonymity gives the same edge to a commentor/blogger that the network’s or newspaper’s resources confer by default on the pundit: both diffuse accountability… Gimme the money/pulpit, and I’ll happily sign my stuff…No, really. Gimme the money…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pmFunny, no? Among all the voices of the Reich who may be worthy of defense on some points, our pet troll elects to defend Scar-boy. He’s a third-stringer, even at MSNBC, so I would suggest saving your indignation for the arch-criminals like Becky and Lush Rimjob. The whiny little turds will need it once they watch their dreams explode in their faces.
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kscitydude Says:
“Arianna Huffington agreed with him about the need to keep commenters from “hiding behind the cloak of anonymity.”
But it’s ok for reporters to use unnamed sources for their new stories. Why don’t reporter sources stop hiding behind anonymity?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
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The common refrain here to excuse vile, hateful language is that this is only a blog, not a newspaper or television news show. That should work the other way to allow reporter’s to sources to remain anonymous: They aren’t just writing a blog.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pmI learned of the rumor over at Althouse.blogspot.com . That was at one of about 8 posts Ann wrote decrying the spreading rumor. Ann used an obscure blog post to make the argument that “DailyKos” was pushing the rumor. That is a dishonest line of attack as Ann understands web sites and isn’t as dumb in the ways of the web as some reporters seem to be.
I also noted that, upon searching in the web, I found posts on this were coming from all over the place, including left, middle, and right sites, as well as the National Inquirer variety. I asked for the rumor to “evaporate.”
It was further hypocritical of Ann Althouse, the McCain-Palin campaign, and right wingers in general to accuse liberals of pushing the story when they were roiling the waters over the very same rumor.
Rumors live through repetition and the right, including Althouse, has been pushing this as much as anyone. Compare posts of netroots leaders with right wing posts on same topic for empirical proof.
We don’t need this rumor on the left and, folks, please don’t spread it. We should leave the young woman alone. But we should also this moment to clarify exactly where candidates stand on reproductive education and birth control. Will Sarah Palin and John McCain seek to restrict birth control access? Will the insist on dumbing down sex ed?
That keeps it to public policy and shows how McCain and Palin are in step with George Bush, but not the American people.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pmPalin laughs as opponent is called b!tch, cancer, and mocked for her weight:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html
September 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pmI got three words for you, Tucker. Lttle. Green. Footballs.
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tokin librul Says:
Anonymity gives the same edge to a commentor/blogger that the network’s or newspaper’s resources confer by default on the pundit: both diffuse accountability… Gimme the money/pulpit, and I’ll happily sign my stuff…No, really. Gimme the money…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
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You share the same level of anonymity as Scarbrough, Noonan, Luntz, Huffington etc? Seems like it would be much easier for you to locate them than for them to find you. More importantly, their friends and family hear their words. You comment anonymously, they do not.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pmHe said nothing about those who didn’t support Giuliani. He simply compared those who deny the Holocaust happened with those who deny Giuliani did any good. At least be honest.
And that doesn’t strike you as insane? Here’s the deal. The evidence for the Holocaust is overwhelming. The evidence for Ghoulie’s post 9/11 accomplishments is, on the other hand, open to examination.
Comparing a rational opinion with an irrational one is, in and of itself, insane. As is comparing the rhetoric of anonymous bloggers to the absolute tyranny of the Third Reich.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pmIt’s like comparing a 40watt bulb to the Sun.
The common refrain here to excuse vile, hateful language is that this is only a blog, not a newspaper or television news show. That should work the other way to allow reporter’s to sources to remain anonymous: They aren’t just writing a blog.
Anxiously awaiting Upright’s denunciation of Limbaugh’s “vile, hateful language.” Is his rhetoric simply entertainment?
So is this, so man up.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:48 pmPerhaps those rabid conservative commentators will be overjoyed to learn that Democracy Now!’s Amy Goodman was arrested at the RNC. One wonders if those on the right and those in power are terrified if someone like Ms. Goodman dares to exercise her constitutional rights of attempting to interview someone in the less than land of the free. If only those in the corporate media were able to display the same tenacity and courage as that of Ms. Goodman.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pmI’ve been blogging for a number of years. I started over at The Nation and moved on to Politico and I drop in here from time to time. What got me started was seeing an election stolen, then a president sit on his hands as we were attacked and then retaliate by invading an oil rich country. I then watched as another election was stolen and the Dems just rolled over.
I wanted to scream! I started venting my fustration on The Nation where they tolerate quit a bit and have a neat function of ignore which keeps truly ignorant posts at least out of my sight.
The Nation is a very liberal blog site and once the wingnut found they wouldn’t get kicked off flooded the site with all the UnAmerican and traitors crap just because we didn’t click our heels, salute and say “Yes sir, how high and what color”.
I am not one to back down to the wingnuts and have made a point of using Repuglican words against them whenever I can. When a wingnut starts to go off, I soften my replies and they generally continue to go ballistic which makes, I think, them look more foolish as they start ranting.
Another thing I’ve noticed is the use of the “H” word generally associated to us but expressed much more obviously as coming from them. John Dean wrote a good book on the subject, “Conservatives without conscience” which outlines the mindset of the other side. It’s the Authoritian mindset that has to tell other what to do and how to think and in turn want to be told what to do and how to think. I’m sorry it’s not for me. I’m one of those liberal free thinkers. I’ll do my own thinking, thank you. The Authoritians just can’t bare to believe that someone should be free to question authority, it drives them nuts.
On our side, we have such a diversity of opinions on subjects that you would think we would all agree on that we appear to the right as a heard of cats, continually out of control. To let the heard of cats run our country is just mind boggling to the right.
Two quotes seem to sum it all up.
The first is from ol’ Ben Franklin, a liberal, I’m sure in his day. “The American people always get the government they deserve”. We need to bring the political discourse to a higher level.
The second is from a science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
So, when dealing with the wingnuts, be firm, be nice and say your piece with a smile on you face. ;-)
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pmAs the number one purveyor of negative commentary, the right wing knows how powerful it can be. That is exactly how they acquired and maintained their power for the last few decades. They know full well that liberal negativity must be marginalized before it gains too much momentum to overturn their apple cart any further.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pmupright left Says:
You come here regularly and spout vile, hateful stuff. Why not put your money where your mouth is, and post your real name, and phone number? Or are you a hypocrite?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pmYou comment anonymously, they do not.
They get paid and accept the risks of a public personae. We do not.
BTW, how many media personalities use stage names to avoid the risk of insane listeners? How many have their property listed under the names of anonymous spouses?
Seriously. How easy do you think it would be to find any of these people if one did have harm on their minds?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pmScarborough then proposed a solution. “Why don’t internet sites that want to be respected make people [commenters] put their names and their phone numbers”:
If you are going to accuse me of being responsible for starting the Holocaust in 1939 or 1940, then you can put your name, and you can put your telephone number on there so I can pick up the phone and say, “Brother, my lawyer’s going to be calling you in about 10 minutes.”
You’re a public figure. You can’t sue anyone for anonymous comments – or such comments said to your face, so quit being such a wanker.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pmUpright left claims to be an Obama supporter, but I don’t believe it/she/he.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmYeah, I thought Uptight Whitey would be too cowardly to take a dose of his own medicine.
C’mon Upright, lead by example.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmI agree that the free market of ideas on the blogosphere is working. I read the Gore book Assault on Reason. I disagree with much of it, but it was a great overview of the workings of Democracy. And his belief that the internet is going to enable a more informed citizenry and, more importantly, a more involved citizenry, is absolutely right.
With the internet, we are not dependent on a media outlet to think for us, or tell us what to think. If someone tells me a story – I can find other sources with different perspective, I can check the bias of sources and I can find opposing views – almost instantly. And then formulate an opinion.
The ugliness is part of it. I wish it wasn’t there, just as I’m sure others wish my sentiment wasn’t there. But, that is a very small price to pay for the almost limitless empowerment of the individual to research issues and transmit ideas, that were once the domain of the media outlets complaining today.
The blogosphere doesn’t hurt the country. It realizes the dreams of the forefathers.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pm> Now back to the viciousness of
> bloggers (left and right)
> and how it turns off the
> average person who might be
> trying to learn about the
> issues even though they hate politics
Life can be ugly. Free speech isnt always pretty.
There is alot of substaniative discussion going on in these blogs amidst the profanity, and anyone who can’t see that isnt looking for substantiative discussion in the first place, they are only looking for an outlet to preach or
moralize. Your a perfect example.
You want a profanity free forum? Go watch the toothpaste commercial intermissions that get passed off as “news” in this country. And stay out of the places that offended your gentle “i support mass murderers but I dont like bad words” sensibilities.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm>Upright left claims to be an Obama
>supporter, but I don’t believe it/she/he.
Don’t. She/he/it (Sheeit?) its a card carrying fetushugging biblethumper. I repeatedly asked it if it beleived fertilty clinics that threw away thousands of fertilized eggs a year were the equivalent of mass murderers and it refused to answer.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pmSurely they jest! Certainly can dish it out…This story listed on TP right above Rush calling Biden nice names:) SWEET!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pmThe SECOND that Scarborough puts out his personal phone number (not a recording, not an administrative assistant then i’ll throw mine out)
PS: Carlson is NO liberal columnist. She dated Fred Thompson!!!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pmUpright left:
September 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pmI don’t know about you, but I don’t have an online alter-ego as you apparently do. My friends and family are fully aware of my opinions and my posts reflect that. So, while you may be presenting a different face to the blogosphere, I actually use it to express my views. The day I get paid to address a national audience as my job, I will happily use my real name. Until then, I will continue to post anonymously for entertainment and educational purposes, on my own time. In the process, I refuse to feel sorry for those whose job it is to offer their opinions under their real names. If that is too troubling a task for them, surely they can find other work.
Noonan is a crazy old Reagan speech writer, well over the hill and ready for the old folks home. Tucker is pissed that we shamed him into taking off that goofy bow tie. Luntz is pissed that we have blown his cover and outed him. These guys are nothing but asshats.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pmI am SOOOO amused:) The entirety of FOX News does this on a moment by moment basis:)Rush…are you reading these? Sound familiar? Been quite the restful Labor Day weekend(snark)…all this drama, I needed a good laugh.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pmWe haven’t even mentioned Michael Savage, yet.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pmHis fellow conservative media elites chimed in with similar criticisms:
Conservative columnist Peggy Noonan: The commenters “are much like what you would have gotten in 1880 if you walked into a bedlam with a megaphone and said, ‘I’d like to say a few words.’ It’s wild, it’s crazy, and it’s awful, and it’s often quite vicious.”
To be fair, TP has framed this to appear as if Noonan is only slamming commenters on the left, when she clearly says blogs on the left and the right are responsible.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pmJohn Henry Says:
Scarborough then proposed a solution. “Why don’t
internet sites that want to be respected make people [commenters] put their names and their phone numbers???
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So we can have Malkin’s hit squads come after us? You find FAR MORE eliminationist rhetoric at righty websites than here. Shi-ite, I’ve been flamed more than once for telling posters to knock off the death-wish stuff here…
Hey, Joe… gimme a NATIONAL FORUM, like you get, and I’ll give you my name and phone number…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pmPS: Carlson is NO liberal columnist. She dated Fred Thompson!!!
Oh, great. Now I’m going to have nightmares…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pmKeith Says:
We haven’t even mentioned Michael Savage, yet.
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That’s Savage-Weiner, Keith.
We must show some respect and use the man’s proper and full name.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pmChocolate Jesus Says:
And stay out of the places that offended your gentle “I support mass murderers but I dont like bad words” sensibilities.
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Said just about perfectly, CJ…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pmAnd why don’t those A$$holes post their Phone Numbers and home address’, oh that’s right because of the amount of nut cases in the country with guns who would do something like Bildo O’Lielly would tell them to do…
….idiots.
but let’s try, ok, Good golly8 post your home phone and address and let’s see how this works out for you.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pmThat’s Savage-Weiner, Keith.
I like Weiner-Savage better. As anti-gay as he is, he must have a few paisley prints in the closet.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pmbarfly Says:
I like Weiner-Savage better. As anti-gay as he is
The way I heard it—-he was in love with Ginsberg, back in the day.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pmArianna is not a credible source. Her bias, as well as Kos,Avarosis(AmericaBlog). And Olbermann. Once a clear bias is shown, they lose credibility. And they have.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pmhe was in love with Ginsberg, back in the day.
I’ll Bet Ginsburg was absolutely thrilled…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pmConservative media say liberal blogs are hurting the country?
Actually I want to educate the conservative side of the country. And all those conservative following that have been completely propagandized by the right.
They need to stop blaming Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton and begin paying more attention to Cheney, Bush, Lary Craig, Diaper David Vitter, Newt, “oxicotin for me Limbaugh, Hannity will lie for a dollar no matter who it hurts. For straters.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pmupright left Says:
You share the same level of anonymity as Scarbrough, Noonan, Luntz, Huffington etc? Seems like it would be much easier for you to locate them than for them to find you. More importantly, their friends and family hear their words. You comment anonymously, they do not.
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And they get BIG F-in’ money for the lies they tell. They shill for a corrupt, delusional president who’s gotten perhaps as many as a MILLION Iraqis killed w/ his insane, morally bankrupt gibberish, and they’re never held accountable for any of this. And we bloggers here at TP are the vicious ones? WTF???
You’re out of touch w/ reality and a complete fraud.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pmOnce a clear bias is shown, they lose credibility. And they have.
Try to explain.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pmOn the other hand, it’s somehow appropriate that the “librul media” would call for limits to the 1st Amendment while police are launching preemptive raids against people who have announced plans to protest during the RNC.
Hmm. Maybe ol Flippy McSpin’s campaign shook up the schedule so that they weren’t faced with hundreds of hecklers?
http://www.startribune.com/politics/27695244.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciatkEP7DhUsr
September 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pmabarts Says:
Arianna is not a credible source. Her bias, as well as Kos,Avarosis(AmericaBlog). And Olbermann. Once a clear bias is shown, they lose credibility. And they have.
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Well, gee, then I guess we can dispense w/ Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, Beck, Hewitt, Charin, Scarborough, Larson, et al, too, huh?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pmpete Says:
Hmm. Maybe ol Flippy McSpin’s campaign shook up the schedule so that they weren’t faced with hundreds of hecklers?
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And empty seats inside the building, pete. Don’t forget the empty seats.
Anybody take the time yet to compile a list of all the GOOPer noteworthies who were, uh, “too busy” to make it this week, BEFORE Gustav gave them perfect over, for their no-shows?
Come to think of it, who would have the time to put together that list?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pmSo they don’t like that people can comment with anonymity, and want to be able to sue if they see something they don’t like?
So, can we file a sort class action slander case against all those famous commentators for their talkin’ smack about us?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pmUm. How “credible” must one be to quote people? Are we suggesting that, if one is quoted by a biased source, said quote is incredible?
Sorry trolls. The truth has a liberal bias, the “librul media” is a myth, and the Reichwing is facing it’s long-deserved demise. You might as well “lay back and enjoy it”.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pmPete Tagliani Says:
So they don’t like that people can comment with anonymity, and want to be able to sue if they see something they don’t like?
So, can we file a sort class action slander case against all those famous commentators for their talkin’ smack about us?
Now that’s a great idea. May I suggest that we begin with a levy of $100.00 for each utterance of the words “leftist”, “far-left”, and “unAmerican”.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pmPete Tagliani says @ 101: So they don’t like that people can comment with anonymity, and want to be able to sue if they see something they don’t like? So, can we file a sort class action slander case against all those famous commentators for their talkin’ smack about us?
COMMENT: Start with Bill-O and that knuckle-dragger Hannity. Then stand back and let those namby-pambies squeak and squawk all they want.
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September 1st, 2008 at 9:45 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
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abarts Says:
Arianna is not a credible source. Her bias, as well as Kos,Avarosis(AmericaBlog). And Olbermann. Once a clear bias is shown, they lose credibility. And they have.
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Well, gee, then I guess we can dispense w/ Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, Beck, Hewitt, Charin, Scarborough, Larson, et al, too, huh?
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Agree. Get rid of all them. If they can’t keep their personal bias under control, they shouldn’t be reporting.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
pete Says:
And empty seats inside the building, pete. Don’t forget the empty seats.
Anybody take the time yet to compile a list of all the GOOPer noteworthies who were, uh, “too busy” to make it this week, BEFORE Gustav gave them perfect over, for their no-shows?
Come to think of it, who would have the time to put together that list?
Empty seats to match their “message” TRoS. It’s becoming apparent that the GOP is continuing it’s downward plunge, which gains them a grudging respect for finding new ways to demonstrate their inadequacies.
Heck! The local radio psychochristian has been reduced to babbling about how frightening it is that “anarchist organizations” (which are theoretically impossible) have “infiltrated our city”!
One would think he would be full of excitement for his noble party’s “sacrifice” in changing their schedule for a storm. (Although I do wonder how a group which thinks we should ignore global weather predictions can justify changing long-made plans due to a weather forecast!) But no. He’s worried about a bunch of college-age kids overthrowing God and Country!
What a bunch of chickenbleep cowards. They are, without a doubt, the most morally and intellectually deficient group of losers in U.S. history. I think one would have to go back to the perpetrators of the Salem witch trials to find a more dangerous gang of idiots in North America. Let us hope it’s over before FAUX is carrying hangings and burnings in prime-time.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pmWelcome to the free world! After listening to the inanity of the MSM for our whole lives we now have the opportunity to vent our spleens.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pmIt won’t be long before we will be reminding the right of what they said to democrats when they took control of the whitehouse and congress…..sit down and shut up.
It should be evident to all that the nastiness that is inherent in politics today is a product of the right. They have been doing it for years and for them to squeal now is amusing like a little spoiled, crying child.
They have been the masters of vile exchange for years and it is all they have. For them to be upset about the left fighting fire with fire is really just pathetic.
Partisanship is their game and they have been relenless in using it. Now they know they have lost and the inevitable whining begins.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pmMr. Scarborough:
September 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pmNobody is accusing you of starting the Holocaust in 1939 or 1940.
You were not even born back then..in 1939 or 1940. !!!
I have no problem with people who declare their biases offering comment. And I have no problem with people offering opinion which is identified as such. The smarmy, lying, tools who offer opinion under the guise of news, however, deserve some of the less awful things their detractors wish upon them.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pmSo what have you done about it? You seem to feel free to criticize here where you can do it anonomously.. I think you are just a chicken like John Kerry.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pmI mean john kerry the trooll.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pmBTW. I wonder how many of the people who have recently been in police custody, because of their plans to mount a protest, were identified by “anonymous” internet traffic?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:08 pmThese people are trying to tell us that Savage,Limbuagh and others like them are sweet ,kind and with big hearts. !!
September 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pmThe old phrase the right wing, fascists can dish it out, but they can’t take applies here.
How much does it matter if bloggers call someone a name compared with “respected” right wing media and supporters calling John Kerry and Barak Obama traitors or Barak Obama a “Manchurian Candidate?” I seem to recall the wrinkled, white guy saying a US presidential candidate would lose a war to win an election. How does anything written here and read here compare with that?
And don’t get me started on Truck Stop Men’s Room Carlson. Him calling for objectivity in the media is like Rove calling for clean campaigns.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pmThere are no elites in media. These people create controversy to keep themselves relevant. If anyone hurts this country its these agents of controversy dividing the nation for personal fame and oversized paychecks.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pmWhat did the talkingheads whine about before bloggers?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pmBully’s always hit someone and if they hit back with the same punch it usually takes the bully out and they cry…..that is what is happening here.
I honestly love the sound they are making, it is really delicious that their indignity only extends to those in thier ranks.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pmYou got that right, Fred. I’m afraid I can’t remember the source but, I recall reading:
“The blubbering of a bully, with a bloodied nose, is the sound of liberty“!
September 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pmpete Says:
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I have no problem with people who declare their biases offering comment. And I have no problem with people offering opinion which is identified as such. The smarmy, lying, tools who offer opinion under the guise of news, however, deserve some of the less awful things their detractors wish upon them.
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I agree, absolutely.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pmFred Says:
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abarts Says:
Agree. Get rid of all them. If they can’t keep their personal bias under control, they shouldn’t be reporting.
So what have you done about it? You seem to feel free to criticize here where you can do it anonomously.. I think you are just a chicken like John Kerry.
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I no longer visit their sites &/or avoid their ‘reports’. Mr Internet Tough Guy Troll.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:34 pmpete. That is good.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pmWhen people are pushed to the wall they lash out. When the right wants to control the wall they lash out…..who is unprincipaled?
I say thank goodness for this kind of forum where people can rant a little and find an outlet for their outrage…..the right should be too.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pmSo why are you still here if you find our behavior so repulsive mr intnet pussy.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pmThe rapid right wing talk show hosts have been hurting this country since inception. I guess since they feel less and less relevant, they feel the need to whine.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pmAuuu, poor widdle babies can’t handle the truth. Thank God for the internet. The only ones that don’t like freedom of speech are the repugs.
It isn’t easy for the repugs to go around lying to the public, face it those days are long gone.
We have opinions better than the paid msm. At least we back up our opinions with factual links. Something the lying repugs hate.
repugs are the worst, look at our stupid trolls here. they can’t handle peace or common sense.
Long live the free internet!
September 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pmLOL! Look at the over-paid, pompous “journalists” whine about guys like me. You’re damn right I’m vicious, you MFers! You are part of the problem! Got WMD, pin heads?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:04 pmMr. Scarborough thinks a lot of himself. Start the holocaust, I doubt he can wipe his own butt.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:11 pmHey Tucker, its not hurting the country its hurting your sorry career of pushing GOP propaganda as if it were truth. It hurts you when the truth is revealed…..so you claim its hurting the country. If the bow tie fits, wear it.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:20 pmThese people are really running scared. And, they certainly can’t handle the truth. I hope some day we can once again have some balance in our news and/or reporting. I do think that there are people on the left who go to far. But, there are way more people on the right that go to far and for the most part, they are the ones who control the message. We have to continue to fight them or we will lose.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:21 pmScary, is full of it. If he wants our names and numbers, we should have the same from the msm. I would love to have bloody kristol number.
I hate his morning show, it full of repug talking points and bs.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:31 pmHmmm…I wonder how it is that MY posts here (read by…how many people?) are a bigger threat to the country than the hateful vitriol (laced with lies and just-made-up “facts”) spewed by talk show hosts such as Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Boortz, Hannity, et al — who reach millions of people.
Wow — I didn’t know I had that much power.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pmWhat’s with all these wingers named Tucker? We have Tucker Carlson, Tucker Bounds, and now Tucker Eskew, who was hired by the McCain campaign. Eskew was the guy in 2000 who slimed McCain in South Carolina with the push poll about McCain fathering a black baby, to get GW Bush ahead in the primaries.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pmI’m all Tuckered out.
Jealous, jealous, jealous
Of:
Sen. Obama popularity, intellect
September 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pmSen. Biden intellect and foreign policy experience
The dems 08 convention
The dems straight, frank, real talk, common sense
The dems getting accolades from around the world
Our hope and our vision
Oh, my.
The media circus clowns just get funnier every day, huh?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pmWho REALLY has hurt the country, anonymous blog commenters expressing opinions or the Republican party that has stuck us in ill-defined wars it doesn’t know how to finish, a financial crisis that may rival the Great Depression when it finally hits bottom, a debt out great-great-grandchildren will still be paying off, and loss of respect around the world?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pmTo the wingers, they got nuthin’ else, accountability is for others, so it’s easy to blame some liberal commenters on the web for the nation’s problems.
I wonder if this is part of the reason they chose Palin. On some level she’s untouchable. She has a disabled child. She has a pregnant daughter. Her biography is her biggest asset, but only those aspects of her biography which she and the campaign deem appropriate. Everything else is untouchable and personal. She’s radioactive.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:54 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Wow — I didn’t know I had that much power.
I know, it’s great isn’t it. Up until now I thought that I was just some insignificant poster on a liberal blog. Now I find out that I have the power to affect the existence of Democracy. Wow…
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 am“Lefty bloggers are SO Mean!”, they said from their Nationally televised TV shows.
Cowards.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Hmmm…I wonder how it is that MY posts here (read by…how many people?) are a bigger threat to the country than the hateful vitriol (laced with lies and just-made-up “facts”) spewed by talk show hosts such as Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Boortz, Hannity, et al — who reach millions of people.
Wow — I didn’t know I had that much power.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pm
You are quite a threat indeed. Your posts consistently bring to light the blatant hypocrisies and lies started by our alleged leaders and perpetuated by the braindead media of Limbaugh and Beck, as well as Blitzer and Stephanopoulos. That’s quite dangerous to the status quo which, to the people chowing down at the corporato-governmental feed trough, IS the country.
That’s a lot of power. Use it wisely.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 am______
barfly Says:
The common refrain here to excuse vile, hateful language is that this is only a blog, not a newspaper or television news show. That should work the other way to allow reporter’s to sources to remain anonymous: They aren’t just writing a blog.
Anxiously awaiting Upright’s denunciation of Limbaugh’s “vile, hateful language.” Is his rhetoric simply entertainment?
So is this, so man up.
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More than happy to oblige. From what little I’ve heard of Limbaugh, he’s as hateful as any poster here. The same goes for Coulter, even more so for that nut job Savage. None of that excuses the venom that is spewed by bloggers (LEFT and RIGHT). It’s kind of like that whole “Clinton did it too” thing you hate so much.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 amAll the repug stupid challenges have backfired:
1. Time Horizon – Timetable for the end of an unjust invasion set by Sen. Obama
2. mcchimpy’s claim that Sen. Obama hasn’t been overseas – Sen. Obama overwhelming acceptance oversea
3. mcchimpy’s economy (no) policy – Sen. Obama knows the economy is in a recession.
4. Sen. Obama will never full the stadium – He did and exceeded the number.
5.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 am______
COProgressive Says:
I’ve been blogging for a number of years. I started over at The Nation and moved on to Politico and I drop in here from time to time.
On our side, we have such a diversity of opinions on subjects that you would think we would all agree on that we appear to the right as a heard of cats, continually out of control. To let the heard of cats run our country is just mind boggling to the right.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
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You ought to drop in here more often and you’d see how quickly libs become trolls when they express any disagreement with the other regulars.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 am______
barfly Says:
upright left Says:
You come here regularly and spout vile, hateful stuff. Why not put your money where your mouth is, and post your real name, and phone number? Or are you a hypocrite?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
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Disagreement with your point of view isn’t what is meant by vile and hateful.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 amJoe Scarborogh is one of the most offensive, lame, and irrelevant faces on tv. I want a refund from Microsoft’s NBC for putting him on in the mornings.
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Keith Says:
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Upright left claims to be an Obama supporter, but I don’t believe it/she/he.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm
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Of course you don’t, since you can’t conceive of anyone
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 amnot following a party line. Seriously, there are quite a few people who vote for, and against, candidates rather than parties. It’s entirely acceptable to disagree with a candidate on certain issues and still believe that candidate is the best choice of those presented.
> None of that excuses the venom that is spewed by bloggers
no verbal venom excuses the mass murder for profit the people whom you support engage in on a regular basis.
go cry about meanie bloggers and the fate of poor trash can
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 amdestined embryos elsewhere. spare us your indignity about our impoliteness while you ignore the blood on the hands of your heroes..
> Of course you don’t,
> since you can’t conceive
> of anyone
> not following a party line.
No, its just that he, like an other semi-rational person, have a hard time envisioning an obama supporer so stupid that they beleive fertility clinics to be the moral equivalent of concentration camps, like you do.
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Chocolate Jesus Says:
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> Now back to the viciousness of
> bloggers (left and right)
> and how it turns off the
> average person who might be
> trying to learn about the
> issues even though they hate politics
Life can be ugly. Free speech isnt always pretty.
There is alot of substaniative discussion going on in these blogs amidst the profanity, and anyone who can’t see that isnt looking for substantiative discussion in the first place, they are only looking for an outlet to preach or
moralize. Your a perfect example.
You want a profanity free forum? Go watch the toothpaste commercial intermissions that get passed off as “news” in this country. And stay out of the places that offended your gentle “i support mass murderers but I dont like bad words” sensibilities.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
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Preaching? Nope, just pointing out that the comments made in the discussion were true regarding the venom that is spewed by bloggers and the anonymity allows folks to say things they might not have said if their friends and families would know about it. A poster asked earlier if they thought bloggers talk any differently to their own families. If folks speak to their families the way they do here, it’s no wonder kids are so violent and families are falling apart. It doens’t make the slightest bit of difference to me if you need expletives to make a point. Fire away.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 amTrolls never fail to disappoint. The problem with your statement, ul, is that it’s not true. I’ve never made any claim to be a “liberal” or “progressive” and I regularly disagree with “regulars”. Furthermore I do it with the respect they deserve. I’ve never been treated like a troll because I fail to adhere to the mythical “liberal agenda”.
Trolls, on the other hand, also get the consideration they deserve. Even when they come from a “liberal” mindset. When one displays the manners and reasoning ability of a troll one is generally treated appropriately.
Personally, I demand only one thing from an elected official. Accountability. And the GOP has proven that they hold themselves to private standards where accountability is concerned. And they prove it more with each passing day. If you wish to identify with their asinine talking points…?
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 amEnough for today.
G’night good people.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 amYou too trolls.
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Chocolate Jesus Says:
> Of course you don’t,
> since you can’t conceive
> of anyone
> not following a party line.
No, its just that he, like an other semi-rational person, have a hard time envisioning an obama supporer so stupid that they beleive fertility clinics to be the moral equivalent of concentration camps, like you do.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 am
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You mean because I believe abortion is killing babies? I don’t believe I ever made that comparison. That must have been another of your exaggerations. See, I do disagree with Obama on abortion and I’m still voting for him. I accept the fact that a majority of our citizens choose to make it legal to kill unborn babies. That doesn’t change the fact that he will be better for the economy and will get our people out of Iraq.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 amScarborough then proposed a solution. “Why don’t internet sites that want to be respected make people [commenters] put their names and their phone numbers”
Ummm, the guys that pushed the Constitution, writing the Federalist Papers … — umm, you know, those famous people, what was their name, oh, yeah, right, “Publius” — might have thought differently.
Cheers,
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am>If folks speak to their families
>the way they do here, it’s no
> wonder kids are so violent and
> families are falling apart.
I dont speak to my family that way because my family doesnt support mass murderers and then try to pretend that they
value the sanctity of human life..
Maybe kids are so violent because nobody ever spoke to their parents about the value of birth control and they wernt really ever wanted! Your assasine attempts to link incivility in political discourse with violent youth is absurd. Amazing from the way you talk, you’d think more of the hate crimes would be perpetrated against whites and hetereosexuals because they were being spurred on by nasty left wing posters.
Yet im pretty sure that skinheads, the klan, and the kind of people who beat Matthew Shepard to death didnt come from families of angry leftie bloggers.
>It doens’t make the slightest bit of difference to me if you >need expletives to make a point. Fire away.
Great. Go f#ck yourself you pedantic, preachy, deeply deluded fetushugging biblehumper…
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am______
pete Says:
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Trolls never fail to disappoint. The problem with your statement, ul, is that it’s not true. I’ve never made any claim to be a “liberal” or “progressive” and I regularly disagree with “regulars”. Furthermore I do it with the respect they deserve. I’ve never been treated like a troll because I fail to adhere to the mythical “liberal agenda”.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am
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The problem with your statement, pete, is that you assume it’s all about you. Did I say you personally have jumped on someone who dared to disagree? Of course I didn’t. Just because you haven’t done it or experienced it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 am>You mean because I believe abortion is killing babies?
yes. if abortion, no matter how early in the pregnancy, kills babies then by logical extension throwing away a fertilized embryo is killing a baby too. if not where exactly do you draw the line? at what stage of an embryos development does it become the equivalent of “killing a child” in your mind?
> I don’t believe I ever made that comparison.
no but i asked you half a dozen times, at least, if you would disagree with the comparison and you ignored my question, while continuing on with your deluded self righteous blather.
> That must have been another of your exaggerations.
no, its something you repeatedly refused to deny, and its the logical equivalent of claiming that any type of unnatural pregnancy terminination is “killing a child”
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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>If folks speak to their families
>the way they do here, it’s no
> wonder kids are so violent and
> families are falling apart.
I dont speak to my family that way because my family doesnt support mass murderers and then try to pretend that they
value the sanctity of human life..
Maybe kids are so violent because nobody ever spoke to their parents about the value of birth control and they wernt really ever wanted! Your assasine attempts to link incivility in political discourse with violent youth is absurd. Amazing from the way you talk, you’d think more of the hate crimes would be perpetrated against whites and hetereosexuals because they were being spurred on by nasty left wing posters.
Yet im pretty sure that skinheads, the klan, and the kind of people who beat Matthew Shepard to death didnt come from families of angry leftie bloggers.
>It doens’t make the slightest bit of difference to me if you >need expletives to make a point. Fire away.
Great. Go f#ck yourself you pedantic, preachy, deeply deluded fetushugging biblehumper…
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am
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Your first comment isn’t a valid excuse because it assumes that the hate speech is reserved for threads about what you consider mass murder. The hate speech is present in threads with the most innocuous subjects.
Your next statement is just silly, since I didn’t “link incivility in political discourse with violent youth.” I suggested that those who speak to their families with the same venom as they use in blogs might be a part of the problem. But, you knew that, didn’t you?
“Great. Go f#ck yourself you pedantic, preachy, deeply deluded fetushugging biblehumper…”
Feel better? Hopefully, you’ve gotten that out of your system and will feel no need to express that to family. ;)
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
no but i asked you half a dozen times, at least, if you would disagree with the comparison and you ignored my question, while continuing on with your deluded self righteous blather.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 am
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I didn’t realize it was that important to you, bud. Let me put that to rest for you right now. I do not equate either fertility clinics or abortion clinics with concentration camps. While both concentration camps and abortion clinics are places where lives are ended, killing in concentration camps involves killing a person you can see face to face. It’s so much easier to kill an unborn baby that you don’t have to acknowledge. But that isn’t the subject of this thread, is it?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:00 am> The hate speech is present in
> threads with the most innocuous subjects.
Wow. What university did you get your logic degree from again?
Hate speech and violent acts are not equivalent. Those, like you, who support those who engage in violent actions have no place criticizing “angry” speech whenever or wherever it appears. Its just words. If people dont like it, they dont have to read it. Im pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed by the actions of those you support didnt have any chance the same opportunities of avoidance.
> Hopefully, you’ve gotten that
> out of your system and will feel
> no need to express that to family. ;)
failed reading comprehsion as well, huh? like i said, my family doesnt sit around making excuses for packs of rabid mass murdurers whilst lecturing me about being civil and trying to explain to me the supposed value they place on human life..
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 am______
barfly Says:
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Yeah, I thought Uptight Whitey would be too cowardly to take a dose of his own medicine.
C’mon Upright, lead by example.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm
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I would be more than happy to post that info, had I suggested that anyone do so. I didn’t make that suggestion, so I won’t post it either.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 am> killing in concentration camps
> involves killing a person you
> can see face to face.
ok. so i was exactly right. im asking you about the MORAL quality of both acts. here, you compare merely the methods.
so you are in fact asserting that in terms of MORALITY, fertilitiy clinics are the equivalent on concentration camps.
I didnt ask about how the doctors who throw away the embryos should feel. i asked about we should judge them. and just admitted theres in your mind theres no moral difference between fertility clinics and concentrations camps. right?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:05 am> killing in concentration camps
> involves killing a person you
> can see face to face.
> It’s so much easier to kill an
> unborn baby that you don’t have
> to acknowledge.
ok. so i was exactly right. im asking you about the MORAL quality of both acts. here, you compare merely the methods or difficulty of the act required. but to your, thier both murder.
so you are in fact asserting that in terms of MORALITY, fertilitiy clinics are the equivalent of concentration camps.
I didnt ask about how the doctors who throw away the embryos should feel. i asked about we should judge them as an abstract ethical question. and you just admitted that in your mind theres no moral difference between fertility clinics and concentrations camps. right?
so in your ideal world, would your idea of justice be to bring fertility clinic doctors up on murder charges like we did the nazi doctors?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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> The hate speech is present in
> threads with the most innocuous subjects.
Wow. What university did you get your logic degree from again?
Hate speech and violent acts are not equivalent. Those, like you, who support those who engage in violent actions have no place criticizing “angry” speech whenever or wherever it appears. Its just words. If people dont like it, they dont have to read it. Im pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed by the actions of those you support didnt have any chance the same opportunities of avoidance.
> Hopefully, you’ve gotten that
> out of your system and will feel
> no need to express that to family. ;)
failed reading comprehsion as well, huh? like i said, my family doesnt sit around making excuses for packs of rabid mass murdurers whilst lecturing me about being civil and trying to explain to me the supposed value they place on human life..
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 am
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Still off topic, but are you seriously unaware that children from abusive homes are more likely to be violent?
It sounds suspiciously like you are suggesting that I support the war. I’m sure that’s not what you mean, since you wouldn’t say something that is untrue.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 amI dont care how off topic is it, im tired of your santimonious holier than thou bufoonery..in your ideal world, fertility clinic doctors are put on trial for murder, yes or no?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 am> Still off topic, but are you seriously
> unaware that children from abusive homes
> are more likely to be violent?
Uhhhh. Geee, yes, although, like I said, fake public civility
like the type you espouse is NO indicia whatsoever of either A: true civility (see ted bundy) or B) how you treat your own family. In fact, I daresay most people who engage in domestic abuse go so far as to try and keep thier real violent personas a secret. Where you think the stereotypical “i fell down the stairs” addage comes from? People trying to show the world that thier spouses are really like?
My family isnt a pack of f#cked up hipocritical hipocrites like you and your ilk, so I see no need to speak to them as I do to you.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:22 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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> killing in concentration camps
> involves killing a person you
> can see face to face.
> It’s so much easier to kill an
> unborn baby that you don’t have
> to acknowledge.
ok. so i was exactly right. im asking you about the MORAL quality of both acts. here, you compare merely the methods or difficulty of the act required. but to your, thier both murder.
so you are in fact asserting that in terms of MORALITY, fertilitiy clinics are the equivalent of concentration camps.
I didnt ask about how the doctors who throw away the embryos should feel. i asked about we should judge them as an abstract ethical question. and you just admitted that in your mind theres no moral difference between fertility clinics and concentrations camps. right?
so in your ideal world, would your idea of justice be to bring fertility clinic doctors up on murder charges like we did the nazi doctors?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 am
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You really hate it when folks don’t think like you, eh? Abortion is killing an unborn child. Should doctors be charged? No, as I said before, our society has decided that it should be legal to kill unborn babies. Therefore, doctors are not committing a crime in aborting babies.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:23 am>It sounds suspiciously
> like you are suggesting
> that I support the war.
You support george bush. War is pretty much the dudes one trick pony. Other than once claiming you didnt support the iraq war you havent expressed a single view or opinion that could be considered left wing and the only other opinions you have supported are, if anything, to the right of bush. All you do is come here and lecture us,and try to look witty and thought provoking. But people who have been around here for awhile know your nothing but a troll who tries to mask its bu#llshiiite in patronizing politeness…
You claim to care so deeply about children but when queried about iraq you only said “it wasnt worth the life of a single american soldier”..suddently your deep concern for the children, who suffered and died in exponentially greater numbers than our soldiers, seemed to not to be the first thing that came to your mind. Gosh, hmm, suddenly your deep concern for human life seems not so deep afterall..
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:28 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
My family isnt a pack of f#cked up hipocritical hipocrites like you and your ilk, so I see no need to speak to them as I do to you.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:22 am
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I am so very thankful, for the sake of your family, that none of them disagrees with you. However, you must, at some point, have encountered someone in life with whom you disagree. Do you spew your venom to their faces? How about co-workers or neighbors? Are you able to have a civil disagreement with them or do they get one of your expletive ridden tirades?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:30 am.
Dear Peggy Noonan,
Dear Tucker Carlson,
Dear Frank Luntz,
Dear Laura Ingraham,
Dear Joe Scarborough,
Dear Margaret Carlson,
What hurts the Country more, supporting the LIES that lead to MURDER, TORTURE, ILLEGAL WARS, PILLAGING and RAPE… WAR CRIMES…
… or speaking up against those lies?
I’m sorry, but journalists you are not! You are PROPAGANDISTS when you sell the White House lines and stories as the “truth” in the face of a reality that belies THE TRUTH and collect a pay check in the process.
Which is more intolerant, a journalist that fails to investigate and instead show us BOOBS, or a journalist that actually finds out facts?
Which is worse, a journalist that asks hard hitting and pointed questions or “ENTERTAINERS” masquerading as journalists?
p.s.
I’ve been banned from posting at Huffpo simply because her site is a MSM ECHO CHAMBER and I’ve called her on it. I can get my knews from FOXPRAVDA as easy from them as on her site. HUFFPO IS NOT A LIBERAL NEWS SITE.
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September 2nd, 2008 at 2:31 am>You really hate it when folks don’t think like you,
No, I hate it when people are santimonious, flaming hipocrites. Like you.
> No, as I said before,
>our society has decided that it
> should be legal to kill unborn babies.
YOu keep dodging the question because deep down you know
what a luncatic you’ll sound like if you admit how YOU would like the world to be.
I didnt ask about “our society”. I asked about YOUR ideal world… In YOUR ideal world, a doctor engaging in fertility treatment would be charged with murder and fertility clinics
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:31 amwoul all be shut down? right?
> However, you must, at some point, have
> encountered someone in life with whom
> you disagree.
Its nOT the disagreement, at all. Its the preachyness and the
hipocracy. I can have a polite debate with anyone. But if a wife beater starts lecturing me about dinner ettiquete, im going to get less civil because well, the guy has no room to talk.
> Do you spew your venom to their faces?
If they try to push thier morality on me while steadfastly failing to adhere to anything resembling that morality themselves, then yes, I do.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:35 am.
Of course they were discussing this… NO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Nt5ADY7ug
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September 2nd, 2008 at 2:36 amThis is getting tiresome. Have fun with beleiving you have any place to assume you have the moral authority to lecture us about, well, anything. You’re a troll, so matter how much patronizing politeness you try and put forward as a pretense.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:37 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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>It sounds suspiciously
> like you are suggesting
> that I support the war.
You support george bush. War is pretty much the dudes one trick pony. Other than once claiming you didnt support the iraq war you havent expressed a single view or opinion that could be considered left wing and the only other opinions you have supported are, if anything, to the right of bush. All you do is come here and lecture us,and try to look witty and thought provoking. But people who have been around here for awhile know your nothing but a troll who tries to mask its bu#llshiiite in patronizing politeness…
You claim to care so deeply about children but when queried about iraq you only said “it wasnt worth the life of a single american soldier”..suddently your deep concern for the children, who suffered and died in exponentially greater numbers than our soldiers, seemed to not to be the first thing that came to your mind. Gosh, hmm, suddenly your deep concern for human life seems not so deep afterall..
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:28 am
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Let me put an end to that left wing foolishness right now. Perish the thought! I voted for George Bush because of the alternative. I never supported the war. I’m not sure how my belief that Iraq wasn’t worth the life of one American soldier means I don’t care about children. I can care about our soldiers and Iraqi children at the same time even if I don’t mention them both in the same sentence. I didn’t mention education in that last sentence, but I’m concerned about that too.
“All you do is come here and lecture us,and try to look witty and thought provoking.”
I have never attempted to appear witty and thought provoking. If that has occurred, I apologize.
As for your comparison of the suffering of Iraqi children to that of our soldiers, I’m somewhat concerned about your thinking that you are a fit judge of that. I’m certain that quite a few of our soldiers suffered horribly before they died. Perhaps you shouldn’t be quite so quick to make yourself the arbiter regarding whose suffering is more deserving of our attention.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:46 am#42 upright left Says:
Sorry, WRONG on that.
His personal phone # IS NOT POSTED! It’s unlisted for a reason…
… ANONYMITY and PRIVACY!
Why should I be required to do something while he is not?
#58
And since this IS A BLOG NOT A NEWSPAPER… I prefer anonimaty… What’s your excuse for not using your name and number?
P.S.
QUESTION:
What’s an agitator…?
ANSWER:
Is it upright left or is it an UPTIGHT TROLL?
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September 2nd, 2008 at 2:49 amYeah, Joe, okay. What was your phone number again?
..sr.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:52 am.
DEAR UPTIGHT TROLL,
WHAT IS THE PHONE NUMBER I CAN CALL YOU FROM FOR A BETTER EXPLANATION AND WHO SHALL I ASK FOR?
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September 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 am______
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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This is getting tiresome. Have fun with beleiving you have any place to assume you have the moral authority to lecture us about, well, anything. You’re a troll, so matter how much patronizing politeness you try and put forward as a pretense.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:37 am
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Moral authority? No moral authority is required to note that blogs are full of vile, hateful language. That’s all the thread was about. No judgment is involved in that statement of fact. It’s just your guilty conscience that makes it seem so.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 am______
Max-1 Says:
DEAR UPTIGHT TROLL,
WHAT IS THE PHONE NUMBER I CAN CALL YOU FROM FOR A BETTER EXPLANATION AND WHO SHALL I ASK FOR?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 am
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In which post did I suggest that anyone should post that information?
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:55 amI have a solution for them: Don’t read the comments on these blogs. Sure we’re mad as hell and use sites like this to vent.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:59 amInstead compare Think Progress with a site such as Red State sans the comments. Where’s the intolerance? Which site is the vitriolic one? Which is “deliberately insulting” and vicious? When they’re done, they could try reading Michelle Malkin’s or Ann Coulter’s invective.
Max-1 Says:
#42 upright left Says:
You already know his name and where to find him. At least allow him the same privilege if you are going to trash him.
Sorry, WRONG on that.
His personal phone # IS NOT POSTED! It’s unlisted for a reason…
… ANONYMITY and PRIVACY!
Why should I be required to do something while he is not?
P.S.
QUESTION:
What’s an agitator…?
ANSWER:
Is it upright left or is it an UPTIGHT TROLL?
.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:49 am
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I didn’t say you have his number. I said you know his name and where to find him. If you really wanted to speak to him, you could wait outside the studio and do so. You could also reach him by email through the stations website.
Agreeing with the fact that blogs (left and right) are full of vile, hateful language makes one an agitator? So be it.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:02 amI’m still waiting for Upright Left to post his number like he thinks ALL of us should do.
And by the way, if Scarborough’s and Tucker’s phone numbers are so easy to find that anyone can do it, what’s the harm in them publishing them?
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:04 amNo, silly troll, I did not make the jump to “it’s all about me”. Your earlier statement made an assertion that refusal to adopt the liberal agenda would result in being treated as a troll. I only need a single example, in this case I used myself so that there is no need for accreditation, to prove your premise false. Your statement was no more accurate than to say “Republicans exhibit the highest moral standard”.
G’night again.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:05 am______
Idyll Says:
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I have a solution for them: Don’t read the comments on these blogs. Sure we’re mad as hell and use sites like this to vent.
Instead compare Think Progress with a site such as Red State sans the comments. Where’s the intolerance? Which site is the vitriolic one? Which is “deliberately insulting” and vicious? When they’re done, they could try reading Michelle Malkin’s or Ann Coulter’s invective.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:59 am
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“They do it, too” isn’t a valid excuse.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:06 am______
Idyll Says:
I’m still waiting for Upright Left to post his number like he thinks ALL of us should do.
And by the way, if Scarborough’s and Tucker’s phone numbers are so easy to find that anyone can do it, what’s the harm in them publishing them?
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:04 am
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I’m still waiting for someone to point out where I suggested that anyone should post their phone number. I simply pointed out that posters who are asking for Joe’s number have much easier access to him than he does to any poster. For the record, having seen the vile, hateful posts here, I wouldn’t suggest that anyone post their phone number.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:11 am______
pete Says:
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No, silly troll, I did not make the jump to “it’s all about me”. Your earlier statement made an assertion that refusal to adopt the liberal agenda would result in being treated as a troll. I only need a single example, in this case I used myself so that there is no need for accreditation, to prove your premise false. Your statement was no more accurate than to say “Republicans exhibit the highest moral standard”.
G’night again.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:05 am
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Since it has happened here, that lib posters have been called trolls when they expressed a dissenting point of view, my statement is perfectly accurate. Just because you aren’t aware of something occurring doesn’t mean that it didn’t occur.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:14 amMy goodness, Li’l Wrongie…
So determined to have the last word, you’re here HOURS after others have left, talking up a storm to… to… yourself.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA… that’s SAD!!!!!!
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:27 amHow appropriate that these conservative whiners have started to moan about criticism only when they become the targets – the right wing blogs have been airing outrageous commentary and outright lies for years.
What a “nation” of whiners.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:00 amMany posters have hit the nail on the head in this thread. These morons beyond the pale. Their capacity for self delusion is astonishing. What is done on sites like this is the equvilent of cocktail party gossip. THEIR side has Ann Coulter saying the way to talk to liberals is after you beat them with a baseball bat. That we should drop daisy cutters at random in the middle east, that liberals and half the Democratic Party should be deported, that we should POISON A SITTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. Micheal ‘the Weinerdog’ Savage says he is tired of hearing there are a billion Muslims in the world and we should kill one hundred million of them. THAT TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE then they SNIVEL about anonymous bloggers? They are a disgrace.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:02 amupright left Says:
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“They do it, too” isn’t a valid excuse.
Better read it again, that’s not what I said. Pretty much the opposite, actually.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:05 amupright left,
You indicated that bloggers’ private information should be as accessible as pundits’. At least that was my take without going back and reading all 189 comments.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:13 amOff to bed. Later.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:14 amHad this been a religious website and “we’d” write against homosexuals, abortionists, secularists, atheists, agnostics etc
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:35 ameverything would’ve been fine. That would have been our religious right. But if you speak against the establishment, who really are the problem and not the solution then its bad.
Lets see. The rightwing (who above are all responsible for the mess the country is in) aim to elect McCain, who according to many sources have anger proglems.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 amAnd he has uttered there words
“I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.”
“I hate the bloggers”
“you f-cking jerk”
“c-nt”
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
“you little jerk”
“The French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it,”
During his 1986 campaign, he referred to a retirement community called “Leisure World” as “Seizure World.”
In 1999, in the course of apologizing for his joke about Clinton — which he called “insensitive and stupid and cruel”
And just recently Karl Rove, the divider, called Biden a ‘big blowhard doofus.’
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:54 amI consider the internet to be my very own Wire Service, but unlimited in its scope.
It’s not like subscribing to AP, UPI, Reuters, etc., because the world wide web is called this for a reason. I often run across one of these traditional Wire Service stories, but the internet encompasses much, much more…which freaks out the control-freak conservatives who want to spoon feed news to all of us.
Now, the result of removing anonymity would be everyone being Malkinized, and we already know what comes from that.
For instance, a week after the 9/11 attacks, someone sent lethal, weaponized anthrax through the mail, addressed to Democrats.
What most people don’t realize is that following the initial, lethal anthrax mailing, a flood of non-lethal capycat mailings occurred, primarily targeting liberal, progressive individuals and organizations.
One “Army of God” escaped convict sent 500 such terrorist letters to family planning centers throughout the Midwest in November and December 2001 before he was recaptured.
So, if some nitwits required that all posters had to use their name and give their address, then a whole lot of liberals would find envelopes in the mail leaking powder within a week.
By my estimation, several hundred thousand of these powder-filled terrorist letters have been mailed in the past seven years by hardcore, Malkinese conservatives to liberal groups and individuals…with the Bush administration hiding this domestic right-wing terrorist activity, and its widespread nature, from the public…like many other things they are hiding.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:36 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
My goodness, Li’l Wrongie…
So determined to have the last word, you’re here HOURS after others have left, talking up a storm to… to… yourself.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA… that’s SAD!!!!!!
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:27 am
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Hours after? My final post followed a response of nine minutes earlier. Where do live that nine minutes equals hours? I’m sure there is a perfectly good reason for your mistake.
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 amMonday evening on ABC’s World News Tonight, they did a story about Palin’s revelation about her pregnant daughter.
They claimed that “Palin’s daughter was viciously attacked by Liberal bloggers“, and flashed a screenshot of DailyKOS, to quick to read the headline to see if it even had anything to do with Palin’s daughter.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 amNever mind those who are actually hurting our country like the president who has squandered our tax dollars fighting an unnecessary war, needlessly killing Americans (not to mention Iraqis). No, let’s blame it all on anonymous commenters exercising their right to free speech.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 amupright left Says:
you have accomplished nothing except to display your warped justice….that it is alright for the right to be just as vicious as they wish but if a progressive says something that offends you, well that’s another story isn’t it.
I hope you enjoy spending your gop bloodmoney that you earned last night.
We are not impressed by gassbags like you. You are probably one of those christains who stood by as your church preached politics from the pulpit and sold thier souls in the end to support an immoral war. Who would jesus bomb and torture.
These are passionate violations of morality for progressives and we have every right to defend our ideals here.
You are completely out of line to chastise anyone here as is the main stream media who is more guilty of the same offense.
In fact, the reason that the argument is so loud is has been the progressives inablility to get equal time with the public against the horrible, nasty, slanderous behaviour which has been displayed by the right for the last 8 years on the tv and radio stations owned by the right….
sit on it ahole.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 amThe left is intolerant. Intolerant of lying hate-mongering right wing loudspeakers for the GOP propaganda machine. Civil discourse has been of no interest for twenty five years. Now that the left, being fed up, is pushing back hard they don’t like it. Tough. You don’t get to “win” by being loud and aggressive anymore. Clean your act up and maybe “discourse” will be an option. But history tells me you have no interest in that.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 amTucker got it right.
He’s stupid and corrupt.
What happened to the bowtie buddy?
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 am…and I forgot to mention to our friends in the “liberal media” run by conservatives:
In the words of the most vicious, hateful vice-president we’ve ever had, “Go F**k yourself.”
Hypocrites.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 amThis is exactly why I think expletives and personal attacks , even toward the “trolls” is dulling the sharp edge of what is the best tool we have for getting out information to the rest of the country , It gives the right wing propaganda machine an opportunity to focus on particular words and insulting remarks thereby ignoring the gist of the argument made here .
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 amAlso , I believe it can “turn off” many undecideds who will miss the point we are trying to get across !!!The strength of our arguments is far more effective on it’s own even though it is more difficult than an insult to deliver effectively !
Time to focus , welcome the troll’s as an opportunity to explain ( over and over ) why fascism is un American !
Dissent and critisism of the regime is reframed as traitorous and subversive . The same response all fascists took in consolidating power , ususally followed by the arresting and or censoring of artists , intellectuals , university professors ,critics, and activists.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 amTo those so called media elites ,
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 amyour time is at hand you have proven yourselves no more than the spiritual children of Goebels , spewing lies as our country runs torture camps ,secret prisons ,spies on it’s own citizenry,and wages a war for lebensraum in the middle east which has killed millions ,wounded 10 times that ,and refugeed 4 million .
WE ALL KNOW THE REAL OBSCENITY HERE IS YOUR OWN COMPLICITY IN THESE AFFAIRS !
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS DEAD , LONG LIVE THE INTERNET !
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 am.
Uptight Troll,
You agreed with Scarbo… and asserted that we should reveal ourselves too…
Point taken.
Point noted, you’re an agitator hiding behind anonymity.
When YOU have issues with almost every poster, THAT makes YOU an agitator.
When YOU feel compelled to RESPOND and CORRECT each poster, THAT makes you an agitator.
You know, sort of like how a baby cries… It does get attention.
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September 2nd, 2008 at 10:53 am______
Fred Says:
upright left Says:
you have accomplished nothing except to display your warped justice….that it is alright for the right to be just as vicious as they wish but if a progressive says something that offends you, well that’s another story isn’t it.
I hope you enjoy spending your gop bloodmoney that you earned last night.
We are not impressed by gassbags like you. You are probably one of those christains who stood by as your church preached politics from the pulpit and sold thier souls in the end to support an immoral war. Who would jesus bomb and torture.
These are passionate violations of morality for progressives and we have every right to defend our ideals here.
You are completely out of line to chastise anyone here as is the main stream media who is more guilty of the same offense.
In fact, the reason that the argument is so loud is has been the progressives inablility to get equal time with the public against the horrible, nasty, slanderous behaviour which has been displayed by the right for the last 8 years on the tv and radio stations owned by the right….
sit on it ahole.
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Fred, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn’t notice that I pointed out at least twice that the far right is as hateful as the far left. If you had seen that and still made this comment, your response would appear to be disingenuous.
The pay for posts thing again? Would you please post a link showing that that actually occurs? That would be very interesting. As for the GOP, I hardly think they would pay folks to post comments in favor of Obama. Granted, my posts aren’t rabidly anti-Republican like most here, but they are still critical of Republican positions on a number of issues.
Politics is not an issue at my church. Our pastor preaches only what is in the Bible. The Bible doesn’t mention Dems, Repubs, liberals, or conservatives and neither does our pastor. His only agenda is to teach what the Bible says. His concern is the spiritual condition of the people with whom he comes into contact, not for whom they vote. Sorry to disappoint you yet again.
Defend your ideals all day. Is that dependent upon vile comments against those who have different beliefs? Are your ideals that weak?
The mainstream media is guiltier than bloggers of using vile, hateful language? Which TV station airs such disgusting language? Radio obviously has more conservatives than libs, some of whom are as mean as or worse than any lib I’ve encountered. As is regularly pointed out here, they have a relatively small audience, mostly committed conservatives. The left does have a few radio stations from which to spew their hatred in response to the right. Television personalities are certainly not as liberal as they used to be. The views of the left are always present in the news; they are just presented in a nicer fashion than in blogs.
You have a great day, now.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:55 am______
Max-1 Says:
“…hiding behind anonymity.
When YOU feel compelled to RESPOND and CORRECT each poster, THAT makes you an agitator.
You know, sort of like how a baby cries… It does get attention.”
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September 2nd, 2008 at 10:53 am
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A fitting end to your post in which you anonymously respond to and correct my posts. ;)
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 amfreeman, it’s now time for people to shit or get off the pot. The information is before them and if they make their decisions based on so called inflamatory comments instead of substance then they are just posing as undecided……by the way, how in the hell can you be undecided at this point in history?
Our nation has deep divisions now just as it did when nixon had to end the viet nam war. You can’t be neutral in the US anymore, the GOP made sure of that..
Remember, you’re either with us or against us? That kind of rhetoric unleashed the era of divisive and destructive political interaction and the only way to end it is to get rid of the dividers.
to upright left,
You have not engaged in discussion with anyone here. You have instead tried to be a superior know it all but you have nothing except your own self-importance to back it up….reminds me of bush….you know, the reason America is in the ditch.
grow up little one and much like puppies, your eyes can be open to what is really going on in the world, not just what you have been told.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm______
Fred Says:
to upright left,
You have not engaged in discussion with anyone here. You have instead tried to be a superior know it all but you have nothing except your own self-importance to back it up….reminds me of bush….you know, the reason America is in the ditch.
grow up little one and much like puppies, your eyes can be open to what is really going on in the world, not just what you have been told.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm
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Of course I’ve engaged in discussion. I’ve responded to those who try to minimize or excuse the vile posts on blogs (left and right). That was the topic of this thread. Discussion doesn’t just refer to conversation that follows your line of thinking. You have to be open to the fact that not everyone will agree with you on every topic.
I see the world just fine, thanks. Unlike you, though, I don’t discount everyone who disagrees with me. Nor do I address them in a vile, hateful manner. Sorry if you misconstrue that to mean I’m trying to be superior. Most folks just consider that to be common decency.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:30 pmbasic righty syndrome – dish out the worst, then cry a big, muddy river when you’re hit with the least. no wonder they were always left out on the playground as kids.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:41 pmand my name really is Tom Baker – let’s see some real Righty names up here. Put up or shut up.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:42 pmNo wonder people have decided that you are just a gasbag. You lost every point you tried to make and now you start the predictable whining and crying and playing the victim just as Tom has pointed out….
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmThe Republican corporate media talking heads know that their days of top down information/opinion control are over. The advent of a platform that allows everyone a voice in the national conversation is a threat to these people. The complaint that internet opinions/words are hurtful and/or hateful is simply the cover for their real problem – they can’t control this medium.
I’ll bet Joe, Tucker, et al would are also by those hateful words, published anonymously in 1775, in a pamphlet titled “Common Sense”.
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:39 pmOnce again, Republicans (take care to not call them conservatives, because they are no such thing) are whining about getting black eyes in the fight that they started.
Go negative, and go negative early has been the hallmark of most Republican campaigns for the last decade. When they complain about these tactics, it is only because they know that this sort of thing works, and it is a strategy they want to keep all to themselves.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:11 pmUpright left,
Why are you trying to convince us to think more like you? You voted for George W. Bush!!! It is people like you that are responsible for 1,204,151 totally unnnecessary, totally counter-productive deaths, costing us $3 TRILLION (that we do not have) and making us less safe by building up our enemy, giving them a training ground and recruiting tool. One in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five. One in four in Afghanistan. This due to you and others like you who are foolish/stupid enough to vote for people like George W. Bush.
I have read you many times on here and you only criticize Democrats. You never criticize Republicans. Yet you want us to believe you are an Obama supporter! I again call B.S.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:25 pm______
Fred Says:
upright left Says:
Sorry if you misconstrue that to mean I’m trying to be superior. Most folks just consider that to be common decency.
No wonder people have decided that you are just a gasbag. You lost every point you tried to make and now you start the predictable whining and crying and playing the victim just as Tom has pointed out….
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
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You really had to reach to get that “whining and crying” line in there, eh Fred? Me, a victim? Absolutely not. I’m doing just fine, thanks.
The topic of the thread was hate speech in blogs (left and right). There is hate speech in blogs. A simple statement of fact. The question was also raised as to whether such speech might turn away those who are seeking info and expecting to find a civil discussion of the issues. I’m not the least bit surprised by the venom spewed by those at the extremes, and I certainly don’t expect civility from the majority of bloggers.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm