Palin’s weak grasp on history.
By on Sep 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Palin’s weak grasp on history.
In 2006, the Eagle Forum Alaska sent a questionnaire to all the state’s gubernatorial candidates, including Sarah Palin (R). From Palin’s response about the Pledge of Allegiance:
11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
However, as Hunter points out, the words “Under God” didn’t appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954; the founding fathers had nothing to do with them. The Pledge itself, in fact, wasn’t even written until 1892.
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Wow. The hits just keep on coming…
September 1st, 2008 at 8:49 pmThat’s not exactly general knowledge.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pmSome staff member of her likely did some poor research.
I think this won’t be the only weakness we’ll see in this hurry up non-vetted pick
September 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pmSven Ortmann Says:
That’s not exactly general knowledge.
Maybe not to you I wouldn’t judge our peoples general knowledge by your own. My 15 year old kid knew it
What a complete moron. Good God, why don’t they just put Paris Hilton on the ticket and get it over and done with.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pmNot only that, the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist named Francis Bellamy. The words “Under God” were added latter by an act of Congress in the ’50s I believe.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm“Sven Ortmann Says:
That’s not exactly general knowledge.
Some staff member of her likely did some poor research.”
Maybe not to you, but I think you must be one of those Low Information Voters, a nice was to say moron.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmtypical Reichwinger Un-informed, did not study our history, response, so Alaska has a LIV as Governor….Red State IQ.
Also just maybe that new child with special needs just might be her daughters, who is now preggers (again?).
Now to do the classic Reichwing hate radio line….
Some people say, that she covered up her daughters preg situation to get medical coverage by having the hospital say it was her’s…that is why she got on the plane while having claimed that her water had broken.
Sounds very suspect to me.
Sounds like fraud, but then Reichwingers like fraud, when Reichwingers do it.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmOh my god…what a f ucking moron.
I know she graduated form my U of I, but that’s stuff you learn in high school.
Yeah, I’m being a little defensive. :(
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmWell, you gotta cut her a break. By the time the information on “the tubes” makes it all the way to Alaska, some of the key stuff is bound to drop off…
PEACE
September 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmAnd since Republicans don’t trust Churches to propagate religion they think the government should.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pmHell, she can’t even remember if she had a kid four months ago and McProstate can’t remember the last time he peed standing up (I speak from experience). That pair we have to draw to would never make the final table at the World Series of Poker. They won’t make the final cut at the November 4 Republican Mass Suicide either.
September 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pmSven Ortmann Says:
September 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Really? Gosh, how do WE know it?
September 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pmI’m not kidding about the preggers situation with her daughter either, look it up on the other blogs.
One of the plane attendants said she did not look preggers, and Palin claims she got on the plane after her water broke, this was a Friday, then all of a sudden she is in the office on Monday???
Some one is a liar.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pmSven Ortmann Says:
That’s not exactly general knowledge.
Some staff member of her likely did some poor research.
Heh. Blame it on the worker bees.
It’s actually a subject that has come up repeatedly over the last few years, and anyone paying attention would know about it.
Hint: People running for the Vice President of the United States are supposed to possess more than “general knowledge.” In fact, governors are supposed to possess more than “general knowledge.” Unless, of course, you prefer to have dummies running the gummint.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pmThe media needs to stop wasting time comparing Palin to Biden and/or Obama.
Just cut to the chase and compare her to a potatoe.
America’s Barack
September 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pmPalin`s response to Question 3 IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE,
SARAH PALIN: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
…so we end with more unwanted teen pregnancies in Alaska…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm“Unless, of course, you prefer to have dummies running the gummint.”
We must, why else would Bush the War Criminal be (selected) put in office twice.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pmShe probably also thinks “Jesus” is referenced in the declaration of independence and bill of rights.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pmZooey,
The degree is yours. You know what you went through to earn it. It is no way degraded by the action of some other graduate that may or may not have earned their degree. I will temper my comment by saying that even though you won my beauty contest I didn’t give you a scholarship. You know what it takes to do it on your own. If you didn’t you would not be here except as a troll.
Hang in there!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pmThe pledge isn’t a founding document, you stupid piece of sh*t arsehole.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pmMark @ News Corpse Says:
Just cut to the chase and compare her to a “potato’E’.”
Dan Quayle much?
LOL
September 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pmspencers mom rocks by the way Spencer should be proud
September 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pmKnowledge isn’t a general topic to reich-wingers. This thread is proof of that.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pmThat’s how I feel about English.
If it was good enough for Jesus by God it’s good enough for me.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pmMaybe Sarah Palin is one of Karl Rove’s practical jokes…?
(Just asking…)
September 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pmWith a rallying cry heard around the world, “Enough!” Obama kicked off, with his speech, an avalanche of sentiments that millions of Americans have bottled up inside during the 8 disasterous, ruinous years of George Bush. And how we CAN and MUST do better. Obama did many of us proud that convention night. He garnered high praises for his speech from the media establishment and pundits alike. But most important of all, his message seems to be sticking to the hearts and minds of the American people.
In a recent USA Today/Gallup poll, not only is Obama seen to have maintained his convention bounce, he has changed the way Americans view his character and his readiness to lead. As of the convention, McCain no longer has the advantage over him in these perceptions.
In the head-to-head race between the candidates, Obama now leads McCain by 50% to 43%. Last week, the Gallup poll had them tied at 44% to 43%.
On personal characteristics, Obama eliminated McCain’s advantage as “strong and decisive leader”, with a slight majority who now say this characteristic applies more to Obama: 46% to 44%. Before the convention, McCain held an 8-point advantage.
Obama now has a 13-point advantage with voters who see him as “someone who shares your values” over McCain. Before the convention, only a 6-point advantage.
Obama is also viewed as the more trustworthy of the two, with an 8-point advantage over McCain. Before the convention, the two were tied.
He has also eliminated McCain’s advantage on “handling Iraq”, with 47% now preferring Obama, and 46% McCain. Before the convention, McCain had a 9-point advantage.
On the issue of the economy, Obama continues to widen his lead. He now leads McCain by 19%!
Obama has also won the support of independents in this latest CBS poll. They now prefer him 43% to 37%. Before the convention, McCain had a 12-point advantage with them. What’s more, the pool of swing voters is dwindling. 21% now say that they are swing voters, down from 30% before the convention. It’s clear that many of them liked what they heard from Barack Obama and are now committed to voting for him. Add that to an already larger Democratic base than the Republican base, things are looking very good for Obama.
As for the vice presidential picks, according to another CBS poll, the Palin pick does little to move votes towards McCain, 13% said they are more likely to vote for him with Palin on the ticket while 11% said they are less likely. Contrast that with the Joe Biden pick, 15% said that they are more likely to vote for Obama while only 4% said less likely. From these percentages, it’s clear who succeeded on his first test of judgment and who didn’t.
As for the sheer numbers of people who watched Obama’s convention speech - 38 million people. At least! This is not counting those of us who either watched it on C-span or on the internet! (C-span did not do a viewer count like the other TV stations.) It is clear that Americans are hungry for change and they like what Barack Obama has to say about that.
Is it over? No. The Republicans have yet to have their convention. But something tells me it will neither be earth-shattering or monumental like it was with the Democratic convention. Rather, it will go out with a whimper into the night, with hurricane Gustav drowning out their message. The sweet irony is that it should happen to the very same people who did everything they could to deny global warming to the public. If mother nature was a deity, I couldn’t think of a better revenge.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pmgood_golly666 Says:
…something irrelevant, yet again.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pmI remember learning those facts when I was in about sixth grade. But of course, that was back in 1958. Maybe our educational system was better then. But honestly, it seems to me that an intelligent person would do some research about the question they are being asked on a gubernatorial questionnaire. Is this an indication of the lack of seriousness in which she approached the office? Or, since the questionnaire was from a far-right pro-life (anti-choice) organization that she thought such a knee-jerk reaction was the appropriate “politically correct” one? At any rate, more and more she appears to be a dishonest person, and considering our recent history of the last 8 years, I’ve had it with such dishonesty.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pmThat’s actually a pretty common argument. Factually wrong, but common none the less. It bothers me because the falsehood of the Pledge is used to justify God in gov’t. It’s very trivial history on the surface, but it’s the extension of ‘therefore, we live in a theocracy’ that makes it so wrong.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pmPalin = big blowhard doofus
September 1st, 2008 at 9:11 pmCount Istvan says at #25: That’s how I feel about English. If it was good enough for Jesus by God it’s good enough for me.
COMMENT: Truly…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pmThe pledge isn’t a founding document, you stupid piece of sh*t arsehole. You and the inept Palin keep bring up founding fathers and documents. The pledge isn’t a founding document, you stupid piece of sh*t arsehole. You’re making a fool of yourself….as usual.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pm“good_golly8 Says:
The fact of the matter is that the Founding Fathers put “God” in our founding documents. If it was good enough for them, then it’s good enough for me to be in the Pledge.”
They also made slaves 3/5 of a person, your point is what you knuckle dragging, GOP leg humping moron? The point of the post is that your party’s idiot VP choice did not know the pledge was writren more than 100 years after the DofI/Constitution and God was put in during the Eisenhower administration. But I doubt you knew that either, you f___ing moron.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pmgoon_golly8 Says:
The fact of the matter is that the Founding Fathers put “God” in our founding documents. If it was good enough for them, then it’s good enough for me to be in the Pledge.
Hey, goon, where exactly does the Constitution use the word “God”?
Erm. Maybe in the Bill of Rights?
Because, you know of course that those are the “Founding Documents.”
Get back to us with those references.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pmMcCain’s boat has a hole in it.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pmThanks for refuting your point. The fact that it was added in the 1950s makes your and Palin’s irrelevant reference to founding fathers completely obtuse.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pmThis woman has been nothing short of a disaster for the McCain campaign. The revelation that her daughter is 5 months pregnant just blew my mind today. I know the majority of the comments I’ve read about the Palin/Bristol/baby story think it’s gutter politics but I completely disagree.
If that baby isn’t Sarah Palin’s (and I am convinced that it’s not, FWIW) she went to great lengths to cover it up. It’s a huge lie, which is so typical of the right wing. That alone calls her character into question, casts doubt on her trustworthiness, and it shows that she flexed her political muscles to cover her tracks.
It’s incredibly hypocritical as well. She’s a “morals” thumpin’ wingnut, vehemently abstinence only. Pre-marital sex, for this crowd is a big deal right? Unbelievable.
Does anyone know if there’s a precedent for a Veep candidate pulling out of a race or being replaced? I can’t imagine that the GOP can sustain. Too many lies to sort out.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pmn a recent USA Today/Gallup poll, not only is Obama seen to have maintained his convention bounce, he has changed the way Americans view his character and his readiness to lead. As of the convention, McCain no longer has the advantage over him in these perceptions.
In the head-to-head race between the candidates, Obama now leads McCain by 50% to 43%. Last week, the Gallup poll had them tied at 44% to 43%.
On personal characteristics, Obama eliminated McCain’s advantage as “strong and decisive leader”, with a slight majority who now say this characteristic applies more to Obama: 46% to 44%. Before the convention, McCain held an 8-point advantage.
Obama now has a 13-point advantage with voters who see him as “someone who shares your values” over McCain. Before the convention, only a 6-point advantage.
Obama is also viewed as the more trustworthy of the two, with an 8-point advantage over McCain. Before the convention, the two were tied.
He has also eliminated McCain’s advantage on “handling Iraq”, with 47% now preferring Obama, and 46% McCain. Before the convention, McCain had a 9-point advantage.
On the issue of the economy, Obama continues to widen his lead.
He now leads McCain by 19%!
Obama has also won the support of independents in this latest CBS poll. They now prefer him 43% to 37%. Before the convention, McCain had a 12-point advantage with them. What’s more, the pool of swing voters is dwindling. 21% now say that they are swing voters, down from 30% before the convention. It’s clear that many of them liked what they heard from Barack Obama and are now committed to voting for him. Add that to an already larger Democratic base than the Republican base, things are looking very good for Obama.
As for the vice presidential picks, according to another CBS poll, the Palin pick does little to move votes towards McCain, 13% said they are more likely to vote for him with Palin on the ticket while 11% said they are less likely. Contrast that with the Joe Biden pick, 15% said that they are more likely to vote for Obama while only 4% said less likely. From these percentages, it’s clear who succeeded on his first test of judgment and who didn’t.
Oops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pmIt would surprise me if Gov Palin thinks that America was founded as a country by Christians and their bible principals.
By the way, I am not positive but I think in Nebraska they teach what Palin espouses on “under God ” of the Pledge of Allegiance.
Probably why they get so worked up over it.
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand.
These women that wake up every morning telling themselves they are going to go out and get pregnant so they can have an abortion. have got to be stopped.
The Nebraska Cornhuskers can beat the San Francisco 49′ers.
Katrina victims just sat there and waited for the Gov’t to do it all.
Iraq has WMD, we just didn’t find it yet.
History will make George Bush one of our greatest Presidents in history. Even more than Reagan.
This country has to live off a balanced budget. I have to.
When those there Liberals get in, their going to raise yer taxes. At least Bush just keeps borrowing money to spend.
This sort of conservative nonsense.
Even Thomas Sowel who held some sort of respect as a conservative writer recently took Robert Novack’s role proudly in conservative lying for some real and percieved idea of personal gain.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:17 pmgoon_golly8 Says:
More proof that the blues/leftists are getting desperate. Keep the desperate attacks coming. Every time you attack Governor Palin and her family, the Republicans gain more votes. Thank you for your support.
Would you like to document this gain in votes? Or is this simply one of those “facts” you pulled out of your butt?
How are you doing with those references to God in the Constitution, goon?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pmgood_golly8 Says:
September 1st, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Sheep. Baaaaahhhhh…
September 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pmDesperation
September 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pmgood_golly8 Says:
Try the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, Gummitch. Have you even bothered to read it?
The Constitution is the founding document of this Republic, goon. Haven’t you read that? The Declaration of Independence was just that, stating the desire to be independent of England. It doesn’t do ANYTHING to establish a country, goon. It’s not a “founding document.” Don’t you think that the Founding Fathers were smart enough to work “God” into the Constitution if they felt it was appropriate?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pmOT - but i just gotta make not of this…
i just heard something i didn’t notice the first several times of seeing/hearing the clips of dubya’s remarks about how well the plans and efforts are working THIS TIME…
“because… uuuh… because of the governors…”
paraphrased, of course, but there it is…
you know what it means.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pmGigi, the Pledge isn’t a founding document. You have ever bothered to read a book on American history? Apparently not….
September 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pmgood_golly8 Says: ” Every time you attack Governor Palin and her family, the Republicans gain more votes.”
From whom or where? Any more kids her or her daughters drop can’t vote until long after Barack, Hillary, Michelle, and Chelsea have served their 8 years each. I won’t be here then, will you or Mrs. McDrill.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:21 pmAn old rhythm and blues song of the late 1950s, (was it by The Drifters? no, a quick search showed that it was by Sam Cooke, released in 1960 and called “Wonderful World”)had the line, “don’t know much about history…” and I guess that some folks born later took that as a green light to be ignorant. Well, anyway, Sarah is a good bluffer and is full of bluster. She will be having a real education in the next few weeks… to fill out those little holes in her knowledge of our big spherical world. Good luck, Sarah… you’ll need it… and you probably will be able to secure one of those “experience-based” Master’s degrees based on it…
About that high school pregnancy: Isn’t there folk-wisdom that “abstinence makes the guys hornier?” I bet that doesn’t show up in that Christo-literature that they hand out in schools these days.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pmNope. Once again the reich-winger are proven to be factless idiots:
In the head-to-head race between the candidates, Obama now leads McCain by 50% to 43%. Last week, the Gallup poll had them tied at 44% to 43%.
On personal characteristics, Obama eliminated McCain’s advantage as “strong and decisive leader”, with a slight majority who now say this characteristic applies more to Obama: 46% to 44%. Before the convention, McCain held an 8-point advantage.
Obama now has a 13-point advantage with voters who see him as “someone who shares your values” over McCain. Before the convention, only a 6-point advantage.
Obama is also viewed as the more trustworthy of the two, with an 8-point advantage over McCain. Before the convention, the two were tied.
He has also eliminated McCain’s advantage on “handling Iraq”, with 47% now preferring Obama, and 46% McCain. Before the convention, McCain had a 9-point advantage.
On the issue of the economy, Obama continues to widen his lead. He now leads McCain by 19%!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pmIn the Declaration, goon__golly8, the phrase the laws of nature and nature’s God is in common usage by Deists, Christians, and philosophers. What’s your point, again?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pmYou have terms like: “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God” ; “Creator”; “Supreme Judge of the World” and “divine Providence” used in the Declaration of Independence. But where in the Constitution of the United States of America is “God” referenced? (Besides the date, that is?)
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September 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm“good_golly8 Says:
Try the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, Gummitch. Have you even bothered to read it?’
most founding fathers were humanists, not pathetic cowardly god-loving freakls like you. You are a loathsome POS who needs to go stick a peper clip in a plug (do you have electricity in your double wide?)
September 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pmCount Istvan Says:
That’s how I feel about English.
If it was good enough for Jesus by God it’s good enough for me.
heehee, yeah. i wonder if she reads the king james version ’cause it’s a verbatim transcript.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pmI see Gigi has about as much Brain Matter as Pale Brain.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pmWhich is to say, none
konchster Says: at 9:09 pm
Stop! You’re making me blush :-)
PEACE
September 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pmI callsum the way I seesum
September 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pmReply to Angry McAngus @ #53:
The point is to distract from “Palin’s weak grasp on history.” As well as everything else that is leading to her imminent implosion as McCain’s running mate. She’s the Thomas Eagleton of 2008. (Although personally I hope she remains in the race–as insurance.)
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September 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pmgood_golly666 Says:
Someone has some catching up to do.
That would be you.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pmGood_god you are stupid
calls this a “non-story” I guess to someone who wallows in ignorance, stupidity, and hates science and knowledge it may not be. But to those who want their public sevants to know US history, to respect science, etc, it is a story.
Of course you have Dana Perino unaware of what the Cuban Missile crisis was,and you probably defended her as well (you didn’t know either, did you??) MORON!
September 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pmgood_golly8 Says:
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“When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Not the CONSTITUTION, that is the founding document of this country. The language in the Dec of Independence was normal 1776 platitudes that began any document and mean nothing, BTW. fukcing idiot
September 1st, 2008 at 9:33 pmRegardless of the factual inaccuracy of the pledge’s origin and revised wording, the answer is still offensive. “If it is good enough for them it is good enough for me?” Are you kidding me? Can we please elect someone with the depth of thought, knowledge, and self awareness to confidently explain their own position? If you like it, tell me why! Don’t give me some smarmy BS about the founding fathers.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:36 pmHey goon!
You need to take a basic course in American History. Read the Federalist Papers. Heck, just read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But a course in History would help you understand the difference between a radical document of separation and the establishment of a country. The “founding” as it were.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm“[N]ature’s God,” doesn’t mean Yahweh, silly.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pmgood_golly8 Says:
The fact of the matter is that the Founding Fathers put “God” in our founding documents. If it was good enough for them, then it’s good enough for me to be in the Pledge.
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This comment certainly qualifies as a straw man. The thread is about Palin’s lack of knowledge, and not about why the Founding Fathers put the word “Creator’ in the Declaration of Independence.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:46 pmGG8:
September 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pmI’m glad to see you are taking an interest in the Declaration. Perhaps you should read the rest of it and consider the actions of King George and their similarity to those of, well, king george.
goon_golly8 Says:
It always tickles me to see “conservatives” quoting the Declaration of Independence. Because “conservatives” would have been the people reeling back in horror at the radical statements in that document. That declaration is some serious, serious humanistic, secular theory that has nothing at all to do with the “patriotism” of modern conservatives. It’s just about the most radical document ever written, with the possible exception of The Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen (look it up, goon).
September 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pmABC News Confirms That McCain’s VP Pick Was AIP Member
September 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pmSteffi just gave us the Pundit View, on ABC:
“What else don’t we know about Sarah Palin?”
September 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pmGOD means different things to different people Good_Golly. The founding fathers were primarily deist.
Deism is the theistic belief that a supreme God exists and created the physical universe, but shall not intervene in its normal operation. It is related to a religious philosophy and movement that claims to derive the existence and nature of God from reason. It takes no position on what God may do outside the universe. That is in contrast to fideism which is found in many forms of Christianity[1], Islamic and Judaic teachings, which hold that religion relies on revelation in sacred scriptures or the testimony of other people as well as reasoning.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pmGet the stupid God $hit out of my Pledge. Why do the wacko christo-cultists insist on shoving their personal dementia down our throats?
September 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pmDan Quayle much?
This is what’s so appealing about Failin’ Palin. She is a unique combination of Dan Quayle, Geraldine Ferraro and Admiral Stockton.
Actually, I think we need to cut her a break on the “under God” question. There she was responding to a questionaire when she was running for Alaska governor. Of course, she could have taken a moment to research the question, learn when the pledge was written and when it was amended and then given a cogent and “governorly” answer.
Instead, she just wrote down the “beauty queen contestant” response. It was purely a reflex action. It’s hard to break old habits you know. And from her performance the last couple of days, that appear to still be true.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm” and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance “.
Well, maybe hiss and scratch a little. But she will get someone to do the fighting for her.
Like getting someone to fire somebody she doesn’t care for.
Now there is a great American.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pmNo kidding, Gummitch. That is some powerful liberal stuff. I am absolutely convinced that most elected representatives have never read it, the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers. They certainly don’t act like they did.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pmgummitch Says:
You need to take a basic course in American History. Read the Federalist Papers. Heck, just read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But a course in History would help you understand the difference between a radical document of separation and the establishment of a country. The “founding” as it were.
September 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm
You’re kidding, right? :|
September 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm” and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance “.
What does that even mean? Why is the right always acting like there is an assault on our symbols? As a general rule of thumb, if you express more willingness to defend symbols than people, I will vote for someone else.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pmtbone Says:
” and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance “.
What does that even mean? Why is the right always acting like there is an assault on our symbols? As a general rule of thumb, if you express more willingness to defend symbols than people, I will vote for someone else.
Well said
September 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pmOops.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pmNevermind me in 82. Just going insane.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pmthe McCain campaign is now saying that Sarah Palin is “Commander in Chief” of the Alaska National Guard that is fighting in Iraq. General Palin to the rescue!!!
mooseburgers for the the warriors, of course.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pmSays the idiot who didn’t pass his constitution test in 8th grade. Another genius home schooled in his double wide.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pmGrandpa McSeniLunatic and GRANDMA Caribou Barbie.
“Mr. Rove says not to worry, he’ll tell me what to do!:
Show the BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Sara.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:19 pmWell, you see Gigi, if you had received an education in the 18th Century? You would know the difference between “God” and “Creator” and if it reflected that of the Founding Fathers you would, most likely, be a deist with a naturalistic bent.
If you had received an effective education during your own epoch? You would know you are over matched in any debate, on any subject. But, your inadequacies on subjects which require an understanding of history, sociology, or consideration of contrasting views; is what gets you banned with such regularity.
Can #9 be far away?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm‘Self-evident’, a scientific term of the time, comes before the rather generic ‘Creator’, so obviously they believed Science should come before religion. You could spend all day taking single words out of context and come up with all sorts of things the Founders ‘believed’.
Funny though, ‘Liberty’, liberal but no ‘Conservative’.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” From the Treaty of Tripoli, which was unanimously ratified by the Senate and signed by President John Adams.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pmfor gg…..just some facts but I don’t even expect you to acknowlege them but they are the facts just the same so sit on it.
try again gg
September 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pmGee, where’d g_g8 go?
Hey.. did you guys run g_g off w/ some of that well-documented “vile, vicious, deliberately insulting” blogosphere behavior?
Geez, what will decent, law-abiding folks think of us?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pmsit on it gg
September 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pmDoes Palin think like a lot of high schoolers do, that we fought World War II alongside the Nazi’s against the Soviets? Because now that the “experience” argument is in the crapper, I’d love for her to throw the “appeasement” one in there herself.
If only the GOP would teach the basics of internet usage, they could save themselves so many headaches. Then again, when ignorance is bliss….
September 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pmSlightly off topic:
Do you think the GOP will continue touting the “invulnerability” of the Gulf Oil assets through the RNC?
http://www.afp.com/ english/ news/ stories/ newsmlmmd.74f7ac278c2b14bfca1f9f660264e5e5.581.html
September 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pmFred Says:
sit on it gg
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Yeah… and spin like a top…
September 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pmThe last word:
“And on the eighth Day man created God.”
September 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pmPete:
September 1st, 2008 at 10:51 pmClearly that article shows that we should drill more.
From an article at the NY times about McStain’s vetting process… and I quote…
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But Howard Opinsky, another McCain veteran, said calling attention to Ms. Palin’s possible candidacy during the search process would have undermined the impact of her eventual selection.
“You either get freshness and you have to live with what you get in your vetting or you lose the freshness.”
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Well, Howard, now that the freshness is going, going, gone, I guess McStain gets to live w/ the stink, huh?
September 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pmHas anyone else seen the “Gigi” running bit on the legendary hispanic comedy skit show “Bienvenidos”? If not, Gigi is a cheating house wife who always has a new guy in the bedroom when her husband comes home. She doesn’t hide her infidelity and the husband usually finds the guy in the room. But Gigi usually talks the husband into a crazy reason why the guy is in the room. Most of the time he’ll bite and take the reason or he’ll have a gun and act on his comedic rage.
Just wanted to share that, as people who go by “GG” shouldn’t throw stones and act righteous.
September 1st, 2008 at 10:53 pmtbone:
I was more taken by the implication that the oil industry needs to sit on it’s aging refineries to prevent financial disaster. Because everyone knows that record effing profits makes an industry vulnerable!
And, on a serious note, heavy investment in modern refineries alone could reduce waste by around 20%. But hey! It’s cheaper to just burn off the stuff that individual refineries are not designed to capture.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pmhahahahaha, not only is she mislead, she’s uneducated. What next, she’ll potato, potatoE?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:01 pmGosh she fits right in, Sunni disposition and all. Oh, Shi’ite, did I just say that.
At least McCain has somebody that won’t show him up.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pmHey goon golly hermanphrodite, you’re so excited about picking and choosing the words you like from “founding documents”, care to give us your take on the “establishment clause” of the constitution?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pmZooey, spencers mon, Dr Hussein Matt - great posts !! Trying to tell anything to these idiots though will just give you an ulcer. good_golly_goofy - did your parents have any kids that lived ?!?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pmFirst, the trolls at TP have to defend Bush, Cheney ,and Rove–now they have to stand behind McCain. I think I would be angry and frustrated if I had to put sprinkles on the turd that is the GOP and take very public and humiliating bites out of it every night. And eat it while posting on a left-leaning blog.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pmMaybe Bush picked her. She’s that bad.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:27 pmJay11 Says:
This woman has been nothing short of a disaster for the McCain campaign. The revelation that her daughter is 5 months pregnant just blew my mind today. I know the majority of the comments I’ve read about the Palin/Bristol/baby story think it’s gutter politics but I completely disagree.
If the baby is hers, the fact that she risked the life of her premature, special needs baby to fly home to Alaska to give birth says something much more negative about who she is than if she is lying and covering up.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:51 pmjoe in oklahoma Says:
the McCain campaign is now saying that Sarah Palin is “Commander in Chief” of the Alaska National Guard that is fighting in Iraq. General Palin to the rescue!!!
September 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm
And they would be wrong (yet again).
Once Bush called up the Alaska National Guard and sent them to Iraq, he became their Commander-in-Chief. Either this is one more lie from the McCain camp, or they do not understand this whole “Commander-in-Chief” thing.
September 1st, 2008 at 11:52 pmsomeone should ask mr. mccain, quite directly, is mrs. palin being paid to be his vp and how much. it sounds like both camps were very desperate. regardless of how this ends for her, she won’t be governor of alaska much longer. she may have been promised a lifetime of financial security for her participation.
if a financial transaction was made to bring these two together as running mates, does that cross any ethical thresholds?
September 1st, 2008 at 11:55 pmBilbo,
Here is the most comprehensive timeline regarding “WaterBreakGate”:
http://www.politicalbase.com/ profile/ jnail/ blog/ &blogId=3422
September 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pmGreat point Wayne. McCain, wrong on everything all the time.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 amHere’s the link to today’s CNN Campbell Brown/Tucker Bounds smack down:
http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=UYYiw_y2qDI&eurl=http:/ / fishbowlamerica.com/ ?p=939
As could be expected, Tucker keeps going back to “but, but Obama’s experience…”
But it is fun watching him trying to convince Campbell that Palin has military experience because she both equips and deploys Alaska’s National Guard to Iraq.
Good time, good time…
PEACE
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:17 amMy father said the pledge with pride as “One nation indivisible’ growing up.
Every soldier of the Greatest Generation said it that way, as did those who fought in Korea.
The first generation that grew up saying “Under God”?
THe hippie generation. The black militant generation. The bra-burning Feminazi generation.The Bill Clinton generation.
Seems to have worked.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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Jay11 Says:
This woman has been nothing short of a disaster for the McCain campaign. The revelation that her daughter is 5 months pregnant just blew my mind today. I know the majority of the comments I’ve read about the Palin/Bristol/baby story think it’s gutter politics but I completely disagree.
If the baby is hers, the fact that she risked the life of her premature, special needs baby to fly home to Alaska to give birth says something much more negative about who she is than if she is lying and covering up.
Great Olympian Gods…are you two serious?
Don’t know ya, Jay11.
Bilbo?!? COME ON.
Keep it on the Dailykos.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 amHey folks, if you want to go to bed tonight inspired and with a smile on your face, read this:
http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 9/ 1/ 21286/ 24889/ 30/ 582729
Once again Barack Obama has brought me to tears.
Night all.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 amIs anyone here aware that Amy Goodman with Democracy Now! was arrested this afternoon outside the RNC? Two of her producers were also arrested, and are still in custody, one with a bloodied nose, another with an injury to his arm.
None of these fine people were rioting or breaking any laws.
At least we can all rest easier tonight knowing that “they” no longer “hate us for our freedoms.”
President Obama, deliver us from evil.
PEACE
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 amspencers mom Says:
Is anyone here aware that Amy Goodman with Democracy Now! was arrested this afternoon outside the RNC? Two of her producers were also arrested, and are still in custody, one with a bloodied nose, another with an injury to his arm.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:45 am
I am now. Thank you.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 amThe fact of the matter is that the Founding Fathers put “God” in our founding documents.
~good_golly8
First, that would be document. One: The declaration of independence. The rest of the documents (Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc.) do not, in fact, mention the word “god”.
Second, it doesn’t matter what those men put in those documents or not because, you see, this thread is not about any of that. It’s about Palin’s confusion over the Pledge of Allegiance.
Or maybe you are confused about that too?
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 amNo president can fix this. This transcends party and ideology. The very soul of our country is broken. This country was built on dissent and protest, and this sacred and fundamental right of free expression is continually under attack under the guise of law and order.
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:00 amYou need a massive force to compete with the jackbooted thugs. And then you need to CRUSH THEM!
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:05 am“If it is good enough for them it is good enough for me?”
Well, Mrs. Palin, then you must give up your right to vote—–because that did not come in until 1920!
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 amKeltoi, you’ll have to be more specific. I’m not sure I understand your point @114?
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 am.
Never mind Gi_Gi. She’s a member of “THE FAMILY”
And that “God” the Founders refer to, is the “Creator”. A far cry from the Christofascist belief system America now adheres to.
“Creator” is recognized in all the world’s religions, not just the interpretation Gi_Gi prays to. O.K. Gi_Gi? Or am I not American enough if I don’t believe in your god?
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:55 amO.K. I’m going off topic here…
Amy Goodman and Two Democracy Now! Producers
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 amUnlawfully Arrested At the RNC
youtube is threatening to delete me
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:38 amgood_golly8 Says: 61
You are flat out wrong and not very bright first you said DOCUMENTS. Even if I give you the Declaration which is a HUUUGE stretch as it only disolved our bonds with England and said NOTHING about how we would be founded you said documents that is plural and would necessarily include the Constitution which does NOT mention God nor religion in ANY way except to say there would be no religious test for office. It is clear that the founding fathers didnt want religion within a country MILE of government or visa versa actually. Both those terms by the way Natures God and creater are very Deist and broad for that very reason. Not the Christian God nor Allah nor Bhudda nor the noodly appendeges of the flying spaghetti monster. Ya got no point the pledge was written in the late 1800s by a socialist baptist minister who did NOT put the words under god in it.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:44 amwhy don’t they just put Paris Hilton on the
I believe they did make an offer and her refusal was posted on the web.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:54 amThe fact that the words “under God” were not added until the 1950’s matters not.
Pardon me, but it does. Ya see, it was a political maneuver to get another piece of legislation passed. The christies of the 50’s were fearful that we needed to proclaim our allegiance to God cause the Ruskies were anti-God. It was thought, by those who should have known better, that inserting a simple two words into the pledge was a small price to pay. So a simple legislative maneuver to get another bill passed has caused tremendous amount of political strife ever since.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 amthe exactly ONE usage of the word “God” in the Declaration of Independence is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Christian God:
…the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,…
Christians do not connect nature and God. God is the maker of nature. Therefore, to Christians, the “Laws of Nature” are not separate from God; and God is not “Nature’s God”.
The non-Christian construct of God is further demonstrated in the Declaration in its reference to all men being “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”. Use of the terminology “by their maker” instead of being ‘endowed by God’ is additional clear intent NOT to invoke the Christian God.
So no, there is literally no reference to to “God” as todays rightwing Christian nut-job understands God in either the Constitution of the Declaration of Independence. The Founding Fathers clearly had no use, and no intent for the Christian God to play any role whatsoever in the US government and the laws of the land. Only when the fruitcakes and crackpots started gaining control of the government apparatus in the 1950’s did the Founding Father’s clear intent to keep religion out of government start to be thwarted.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 am.
I sense many a costume this Halloween to spoof Palin…
http://www.buycostumes.com/ Naughty-Librarian-Plus-Adult/ 20892/ ProductDetail.aspx
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September 2nd, 2008 at 5:36 amDidn’t the Republicans change the Pledge of Allegiance recently to read:
“I pledge allegiance to the Republican Flag of the Republican States of America, and the Republican Fascism for which it stands, one nation under Republican Fascism, with liberty and justice only for card-carrying Republican Fascists…amen.”
Er, or something like that.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 amUH, this is just too good to be true!!!! In an interview with ANderson Cooper, I got tired of listening to this incompetent moron - former “community organizer (what?) - who’s only credentials is that he’s a good reader - say “uh”!!! So this is a Harvard boy???? What a joke!!
AC: Some Republican critics say, you don’t have the experience to handle a situation like this [Hurricane Gustav]. They’ve in fact said that Governor Palin has more executive experience as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state like Alaska. What’s your response?
BO: Well, you know, my understanding is that, uh, Governor Palin’s town of Wasilly [sic] has, uh, 50 employees, uh, uh, we’ve got 2500, uh, in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. Uh, uh, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. Uh, so I think that, uh, our ability to manage large systems, uh, and to, uh, execute, uh, I think has been made clear over the last couple of years. Uh, and certainly, in terms of, uh, the legislation that I’ve passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina, uh, of how we handle emergency management. The fact that, uh, many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place, uh, as we speak indicates to extent to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:42 amJohn Kerry Says:
And what executive experience does McCain have, nitwit? Keep comparing Obama and Ms. Naughty Librarian. It only shows how completely unprepared your standard-bearer McCain is to lead.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:01 amReally. What experience does McCain have at running anything except his mouth?
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 amAC: “… governor of a big state like Alaska.”
Fer chrissakes. By any measure bar land area, Rhode Island is a bigger state than Alaska. But no-one back home would make the claim that RI was a “big state”.
Can someone on the Obama side please get out the memo that there’s pretty much nothing in Alaska to govern? Yep, that will rile the natives and perhaps cost the Dems those big 3 EC votes, but it has to be narrative. Palin is a glorified moose-counter, and that’s who McCain wants as his #2.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:39 amAnother day, another finding…Seems Sarah LOVES earmarks!!! Got a ton for her town when she was Mayor..why did McCain pick her again? Daryl is spewing over on Newsvine….they saw fit to delete about 5 or 6 of his posts…He finally got one in and was railing on about Obama raising your taxes to pay for illegals health insurance:) I can only shake my head in dismay…All this junk about Palin in 3 days, and the poor thing still han’t got a clue. Can I please hire a lawyer to do something so that McCain and Ms. Palin not be able to continue this farce? Someone needs to save US from them, and save THEM from themselves!!!! I’m serious…is there something that we can do to say that he’s lost his mind and we need to protect our country?? I swear, the freezing temps must’ve killed off her brain cells, the same way the desert heat has gotten to him…I live in Phoenix…I know what I’m talking about!!!! We can do that “law suit” en masse..Any lawyers out there that aren’t busy covering HER ass?
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 amJohn McCain’s campaign theme is “Country First,” and Sarah Palin’s support for Alaskan secession from the United States blows a big hole in that. Her membership in the Alaskan Independence Party is a betrayal of the US Constitution.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 amLieberman to speak at Republican NC on Friday
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 amgummitch said:
Hint: People running for the Vice President of the United States are supposed to possess more than “general knowledge.” In fact, governors are supposed to possess more than “general knowledge.” Unless, of course, you prefer to have dummies running the gummint.
That goes for the president as well but look how well that worked out. Republicans tend to scorn education because it tends to contradict the fantasies they prefer to believe.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 amSarah Palin is the GOP’s “plunger-handle-up-the-ass” of the Murkin Electorate. She’s so patently, blatantly, obviously unqualified (she’s not qualified to suck runny shit through a flavo-straw) that it now should be obvious that the Campaign McShitstain people figger it’s in the bag…
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 amHemp was good enough for the Founding Fathers…
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 am