Sarah Palin announces her teenage daughter is pregnant.
By on Sep 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Sarah Palin announces her teenage daughter is pregnant.
In a statement released just as Hurricane Gustav was striking the Gulf Coast, Sarah Palin and her husband announced their 17-year old daughter is pregant and plans to keep the baby. “Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that, as parents, we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned,” the Palins wrote. “We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.” McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.
UpdateThe Huffington Post recalls that in November 2006, then gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin declared that she would not support an abortion for her own daughter even if she had been raped.
UpdateBen Smith notes that Palin has previously said she would not support "explicit sex-ed programs."
Update"Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way."
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first rumors all over the internets about trig being bristol’s child all this weekend and now bristol is SURPRISE pregnant. too much of a coincidence. this needs more investigating.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pmSo much for those Christian Conservative values?? Arent you suppose to be married before having sex? At least according to these right wing nutjobs. I guess thats for everyone else.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pmTwo babies in such a short time.
That is family values !!
AIO
September 1st, 2008 at 1:30 pmFamily Values?
Perhaps Alaska’s Child Protective Services should be looking into the welfare of the kids in a family where a 17 years old child with ‘mono’, is having sex. Isn’t mono contagious? For eight months?
September 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmIs this Bristol’s FIRST or SECOND pregnancy?
Time to get the RECORDS out in the PUBLIC, Sarah.
Good vetting, huh?
September 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmIts those damn fundie values. They’ll get you pregnant every time.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmOk, if she is 17 and pregnant then how old was she when she was impregnated? Is there an age of consent in Alaska? Is there a rape charge or child molestation charge pending?
September 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pmLooks like Trig is going to be an uncle, or a brother.
Thumbs up, Dude !!
¶ AIO
September 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pmKeeps getting weirder and weirder. Amazing.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pmRUCerious Says: Perhaps Alaska’s Child Protective Services should be looking into the welfare of the kids in a family where a 17 years old child with ‘mono’, is having sex. Isn’t mono contagious? For eight months?
I missed the last three months of my freshman year in high school (I was 14) because of mono. The only thing I remember about it was sleeping 15 hours a day, and wanting to sleep the other 9.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pmThe babe’s babe having a babe.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pmHow will Bristol be able to marry the father? Isn’t he the brother-in-law she was trying to get fired? snark
September 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pmThis is just laying one lie upon another. A “spontaneous miscarriage” is in the offing on this one once the cover story has taken reporters off the scent on the real story here. Trig is Bristol’s son. No doubt about it.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pmalphainfinityomega Says:
Looks like Trig is going to be an uncle, or a brother.
Thumbs up, Dude !!
I’m betting BROTHER.
Nutjob Carly Fiorina was shooting her mouth off today about how abortion being legal “IMPRISONS” women.
Because they have a CHOICE? And if it was illegal, they would NOT be “imprisoned”.
Fiorina is either very stupid (I doubt she’s THAT stupid, having convinced SOMEONE to let her be the CEO of HP), or
she’s spouting more of the TREASONOUS Karl Rove’s talking points.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:38 pmso much for abstinence.
only.
*
good luck.
#
September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmThey are saying that McPTSD knew about Bristol’s condition. LOL
Sarah Palin; a gift that keeps on giving.
She’ll be gone soon enough. (I hope not though)
¶ AIO
September 1st, 2008 at 1:39 pmHow Do I Know if I Have It?
Symptoms usually begin to appear 4 to 7 weeks after infection with the virus. Signs that you may have mono include:
constant fatigue
fever
sore throat
loss of appetite
swollen lymph nodes (commonly called glands, located in your neck, underarms, and groin)
headaches
sore muscles
larger-than-normal liver or spleen
skin rash
abdominal pain
http://kidshealth.org/ teen/ infections/ common/ mononucleosis.html
September 1st, 2008 at 1:40 pmWhat kind of mother is Palin that she would leave a 4 month old Down Syndrome child and a pregnant teenage daughter for 2 months to campaign for VP? This speaks volumes about her true character.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmI guess I just don’t know many mothers of five month old Down Syndrome babies who would embark on a national campaign.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmI had mono when I was 20. I stayed in bed for a week, lost 10 lbs, but was back to work and school 7 days later.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmShe’s putting her perverse politics ahead of her family. Sickening.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pmThe McNumbNuts campaign better keep releasing BS like this so it can distract from the really funny stuff that’s surfacing about Failin’ Palin. Here’s a real side-splitter from a questionnaire she completed when running for Alaska governor in 2006:
Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance
What a delightfully patriotic — but perfectly ignorant — response!
When McNumbNuts’ grandfather graduated from the Naval Academy in 1906, the Pledge of Allegiance, as first written, was only fourteen years old. It would not be made the official pledge of the United States until 1942, six years after McNumbNuts himself was born.
And, of course, the words “Under God” were not in the Pledge. They would not appear there until 1954, during McNumbNuts’ senior year of high school.
So, his own vice presidential candidate doesn’t know a stick of history — but still feels perfectly qualified to opine on it anyway. I guess that’s why he thinks she is a “soulmate”. Just like him, she is always wrong but never in doubt.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmjoe cantwell Says: so much for abstinence.
During my brief stint as a high school teacher, there were so many teenagers having babies I couldn’t count them all. I finally asked one of my students who’d just discovered that he would be a father “Haven’t you ever heard of a condom?” He said “They don’t teach us about that.”
Every study on ‘abstinince only’ sex ed shows that it doesn’t work.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmWill somebody tell me how Republicans manage to hang on to the “Family Values” label? Scandal after scandal, and yet they still have higher morals than Democrats (or God).
America’s Barack
September 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmtom Says:
This is just laying one lie upon another. A “spontaneous miscarriage” is in the offing on this one once the cover story has taken reporters off the scent on the real story here. Trig is Bristol’s son. No doubt about it.
Totally agree, Tom. That’s how they think they can claim that the family is grieving and won’t discuss the issue further. Bet Sarah needs to drop off the ticket, too, to spend time with her family.
But this little smoke and mirrors trick will not keep the investigation from continuing. Medical records or DNA testing could put it all to rest, but won’t happen.
Also, the doctor who delivered Trig in April no longer has admitting privileges at the Wasilla hospital, where she used to be Medical Director. Hmmmmm….
PEACE
September 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pmI’m not sure which is more hypocritical. A Christian fundamentalist’s unmarried and underage daughter getting herself pregnant or the McCain camp complaining about “mud-slinging and lies” after taking advice from the very same person responsible for similar “mud-slinging and lies” hurled at McCain in his last presidential bid.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pmRemember how Palin’s nickname is “Barracuda Sarah”? With this news about the daughter, Sarah’s husband will be “Shotgun Todd”.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pmAMcG773 Says:
I guess I just don’t know many mothers of five month old Down Syndrome babies who would embark on a national campaign.
NOT THE MAMA!!
–Baby on “Dinosaurs”
P.S. The GRANDMAMA!
September 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pm“Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.”
I beg to differ. It disqualifies this woman from preaching to others about how and when they have sex.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pmI don’t give a rat’s ass about her daughter’s sex life. However, I can’t help but think that the fundies’ holier-than-thou attitude comes back real hard to bite them in the ass. Karma folks, karma.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pmThis is what happens when you take something seriously that is poked at you in fun…
September 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pmWow, Maverick McCain strikes again! Here’s everyone thinking last week, ooh, interesting, he went with the MILF… actually he went with the GILF.
Isn’t there a saying in Alaska “loose as a moose”? There should be.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:47 pmIf someone like Palin can become VP then I’ll know America is a country that has survived with smoke and mirrors.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pmtom Says: PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance
Our Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves right now… Sheesh!
http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
—Thomas Jefferson- 3rd president, Drafted Declaration of Independence, Signer of Constitution, influential on 1st Amendment
“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”
—Benjamin Franklin- signer of Declaration of Independence, signer of Constitution
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”
September 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pm—James Madison- 4th president, influential in the Constitutional Convention, Proposed the 1st Amendment
This is a perfect example of the focus on one issue (abortion) overshadowing the need for a comprehensive appoach to sex education. She’s keeping the child, great. Now what?
So are they saying that they would not have revealed this if another ‘rumor’ wasn’t out there? So a new pregnancy dispels rumors of a different pregnancy? Who wants four years of this crap?
September 1st, 2008 at 1:49 pmsamsuncle Says:
What kind of mother is Palin that she would leave a 4 month old Down Syndrome child and a pregnant teenage daughter for 2 months to campaign for VP? This speaks volumes about her true character.
I guess the kind of mother who leaves the 4-month-old Down’s baby in the care of the pregnant teenager.
PEACE
September 1st, 2008 at 1:50 pmLooks like Labor Day’s comin’ a little later for the Palins.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pmThe artcile I read on the subject says that Bristol is marrying ‘Levi”, the baby’s father.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pmEvery study on ‘abstin[e]nce only’ sex ed shows that it doesn’t work.
Comment by unbelievable
It appears there are several women, or at least one, in the Palin family who should have just said NO !!
¶ AIO
September 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pmunbelievable Says:
The artcile I read on the subject says that Bristol is marrying ‘Levi”, the baby’s father.
Do we take this to mean that they found the pair of jeans, but are still looking for the guy who was wearing them?
PEACE
September 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pmI read the investigative work posted at the Daily Kos and found it thorough and compelling (convincing, actually).
September 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pmI can appreciate that the MSM has avoided the story given Bristol’s agel she doesn’t deserve to be investigated and hounded over this.
However Sarah Palin’s story surely does deserve investigation and it’s Bristol’s misfortune that her mother’s ambitions and the craven politicking of McCain and the GOP place Bristol in a very difficult position.
McCain and his roommates:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/ 2008/ 09/ 01/ john-mccain-his-roommates/
September 1st, 2008 at 1:56 pmAbstinence only. Ha!
How convenient is it that Miss Bristol is 5 months along, and baby Trig is 4 months old?
I can’t wait for the 8 lb “premature” baby. ;)
September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmRemember how Palin’s nickname is “Barracuda Sarah”? With this news about the daughter, Sarah’s husband will be “Shotgun Todd”.
This is especially funny when you know that Toddy and Sarah’s first son was born about eight months after their wedding date.
I heard someone say proudly that Toddy and Sarah had eloped in order to save their parents the expense of a wedding. Yup. Sure.
More fundie spin. Oh, look! Over there. It’s a shiny object!
B as in B; S as in S.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmTo fake a very un-conservative illegitimate teenage pregnancy to a faked spontaneous miscarriage to coverup what would be an even more sympathetic story of a mother trying to save her daughter the embarrassment of an unplanned pregnancy while substantiating her prolife commitment?
You’re working pretty hard for the swith-a-roo conspiracy. Let the conspiracy go and take the illegitimate teenage pregnancy of the mother who opposes sex education and run with it.
September 1st, 2008 at 1:57 pmZooey, you got some more ’splaining to do> I hear Sarah went to U of Idaho!
September 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pmKeith Says:
Zooey, you got some more ’splaining to do> I hear Sarah went to U of Idaho!
September 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
**hanging head in shame**
September 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pmMore and more teenagers are having unplanned pregnancies. This is a huge problem that conservatives are on the wrong side of. If conservatives really wanted to reduce abortion (and unplanned pregnancy) the would abandon abstinence only (that is a nice idea, that obviously doesn’t work) for a more realistic emphasis on sex education and birth control availability.
This pregnancy (as well as the alarmingly increasing number of others) could (should) be a catalyst for a change in that conservative approach.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pmYou’re working pretty hard for the swith-a-roo conspiracy. Let the conspiracy go and take the illegitimate teenage pregnancy of the mother who opposes sex education and run with it.
Palin could kill the rumor in a second with a mouthswab - but at this point,they’ve found a political theme that almost rivals McCain’s POW card: witch-hunt victim. At this point, they’re as interested in milking this politically as any dem strategist, so spare us your spare attempts at wit.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pmTrig, Bristol, Levi? Come on now. These are definately elistist names. If either the Palin’s or Levi’s clan drives a Volvo this whole VP thing is sunk. Next thing ya know we will be voting for people who watch the World Cup and the Tour de France
September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pmI sincerely hope that Michelle Obama puts together a PSA for condoms, explaining what the term “baby daddy” means.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:03 pmNo idea what the VP does, corruption investigation, teenage daughter pregnant. She could be a worse candidate for VP, but I don’t know how.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pmComments on this from RedState:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2008/ 09/ 01/ sarah-palin-announces-her-teenage-daughter-is-pregnant/ #comment-5199448
It’s starting to feel a lot…
like the Jerry Springer show around here.
Bob Barr 2008
hope Bristol is doing okay and that she avoids the media spotlight. She must be terrified. I can’t imagine, though, why Palin would want to subject her daughter to so much public scrutiny when she knew this information would come out. But honestly, thinking about my own family…I do a pretty good job telling my own daughters to ignore the liberal hollywood culture and the “role models” like Britney Spears and LIndsay Lohan it produces. But what do I tell my daughter now if she asks why she should hold herself to a higher moral standard? Who can I point to to say: See, honey? This young lady chose to think about her education, her career, her future, and chose to wait. And how can a “strong feminist conservative mother” who can’t even instill conservative values in her own child hope to represent this country for all the world to see? God bless them, and help them.
Whew. That’s some kind of headfake. Now I’m not so sure about Palin.
17 years old and pregnant? Spells D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R to me.
John McCain: A Maverick Too Far.
the media and left is going to go bananas on this!
WHY DIDNT SHE INTRODUCE BRISTOL FRIDAY AS MY ‘ENGAGED’ DAUGHTER, couldve partially avoided this which may become a ‘distaster’ in the media.
The left is going to be totally exposed for the mudslinging hypocrites they are. I really don’t think they are going to be able to wrap their heads around the fact how supportive republicans will be of Bristol. Congratulations Bristol, you, like your mother, are a person of integrity and should be a role model for others.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pmThis is all a Rove strtegy to pull America’s short attention span away from the historic Democratic convention of last week. Palin is a sacrificial lamb. She will reluctantly withdraw from the ticket in one week, you just watch. And, like Kathleen Harris, she will be rewarded in some way down the line, with a Senate seat or something. This is pure Rove.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pmThe babies aside, I think that the American women would have decided that they really didn’t like this Moose shooting/eating, nasal whining, Fargo accented, and corrupt, woman.
¶ AIO
September 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pmbackup — nice try but remember, it’s not the “crime”; it’s the cover-up. McNumbNuts and Failin’ Palin are digging themselves into a very large hole.
She is a trainwreck just waiting to happen. It won’t be over this issue . . . but it will be over something of significance that reveals the same underlying character flaw of dishonesty and phoniness. Mark my words.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pmWhile I don’t believe for a minute that either McCain or the guv knew of this beforehand, I agree
from being VP. Only age and place of birth are DQs for this office. It does disqualify her from the bishopric duties she thinks the U.S. exec branch has, though. It does reveal McCain as dumb as a Bush, but without the professional Crime Family support, though. It does show the wisdom of Christ’s “Let you without sin cast the first stone.” It cuts down on the hypocrisy.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pmThis pregnancy (as well as the alarmingly increasing number of others) could (should) be a catalyst for a change in that conservative approach.
Ah, but the party you’ve aligned yourself with, believes in feel-good bromides over positive results.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pmbackup Says: To fake a very un-conservative illegitimate teenage pregnancy to a faked spontaneous miscarriage to coverup what would be an even more sympathetic story of a mother trying to save her daughter the embarrassment of an unplanned pregnancy while substantiating her prolife commitment?
Looks to me like Mommy Dearest his hiding behind her 17 year old child to save her political career… Shame, shame.
You still want to talk about her high integrity now?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pmIf Palins daughter really is 5 months pregnant, that would count her out as the mother because Trig is only 4 months old. But, it has not been proven that Bristol is pregnant, we only have the word of someone who is a proven liar.
On the other hand, if Palin really is Trig’s mother, then she should be condemned for placing the life of her premature downs-syndrom baby at risk by flying 8 hours and then driving another 1 hour to give birth in a hospital with no neonatal unit. All this AFTER her water broke. I’m sorry, that story defies belief. There is still something rotten here.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pmWill somebody tell me how Republicans manage to hang on to the “Family Values” label? Scandal after scandal, and yet they still have higher morals than Democrats (or God).
September 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pmMark, perhaps “dysfunctional family values” would answer your question. As for the Dems, the problem is that they didn’t grab this self proscribed label first, and then just like fiscal conservative etc. they own it and use it to keep the sheep bleating.
“Congratulations Bristol, you, like your mother, are a person of integrity and should be a role model for others.”
Yes—all you 16-year-old unmarried girls go out there and get yourself pregnant!
For the past forty years I have been hearing conservatives say that this is what is wrong with the country—all these young pregnant women without a husband!!! Now they say this is what makes our country great.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pmI just went home (Southern Illinois) for a vacation. What I found alarming was not necessarily the unplanned pregnancies - but planned pregnancies from unwed mothers.
We ran into several late teen and early twenty mother’s that were unwed. They had children from different father’s and were planning more (from either the same fathers or even different fathers).
I don’t really have a hang up with unwed mothers. Everybody’s circumstance is different. What I was concerned with was the reasoning. These were relatively educated women. The father’s had jobs and/or decent money from other sources. The women were deciding not to married because of significant government assistence that they would forego if they got married.
I’ve got no problem with women who have children without getting married. I do have a problem with a situation where women are planning families with the intent that it will be the government (you and me) and not the fathers, that will be supporting them.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmbackup Says: To fake a very un-conservative illegitimate teenage pregnancy to a faked spontaneous miscarriage to coverup what would be an even more sympathetic story of a mother trying to save her daughter the embarrassment of an unplanned pregnancy while substantiating her prolife commitment?
It’s a calculated risk on her part. Which would be most damaging, a pregnant daughter or a very big lie with some laws broken? I do believe it is illegal to falsify a birth certificate. So which would you rather have, a VP with a pregnant daughter or a VP who tells very big lies and participates in coverups? Personally I think that even the evangelicals would rather have a VP with a pregnant daughter.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmI give the shotgun wedding two months, four years or eight years depending on election outcomes.
The concern troll in me comes out.
McBane! Dump her now! You made a HUGE mistake in judgment picking her and it gets worse by the day. Grab Willard, Droopy Dawg or Square Head Ridge before it is too late.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pm#backup Says:
I don’t really have a hang up with unwed mothers. Everybody’s circumstance is different. What I was concerned with was the reasoning. These were relatively educated women. The father’s had jobs and/or decent money from other sources. The women were deciding not to married because of significant government assistence that they would forego if they got married.
You know, you really are full of it. You expect us to believe everything you say, just because you say it. Personally I believe none of what you say because it is never backed up by truth or evidence.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pmKeith Says:
Now they say this is what makes our country great.
backup already went there.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pmbackup Says:
To fake a very un-conservative illegitimate teenage pregnancy to a faked spontaneous miscarriage to coverup what would be an even more sympathetic story of a mother trying to save her daughter the embarrassment of an unplanned pregnancy while substantiating her prolife commitment?
You’re working pretty hard for the swith-a-roo conspiracy. Let the conspiracy go and take the illegitimate teenage pregnancy of the mother who opposes sex education and run with it.
It’s all about HYPOCRISY, stupid!!!!
YOURS, TRAITOR Bush’s, Rick “Purpose Driven LIE” Warren, John McSeniLunatic, Karl McTREASON…
You care NOTHING about America, its PEOPLE, or its WELL-BEING. Just its resources, DEATHS of SOLDIERS and CIVILIANS be damned.
Exposing CIA spies, pardoning TRAITOR Libby, politicizing the DoJ, ILLEGAL WARS.
Complete TRAITORS to EVERYTHING the USA has EVER stood for.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pmHas anyone besides me noticed that Bristol was 16 years old yesterday and she is 17 years old today? How did that happen?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pmKeith Says: For the past forty years I have been hearing conservatives say that this is what is wrong with the country—all these young pregnant women without a husband!!! Now they say this is what makes our country great.
Red states have higher abortion rates than blue states. Role models like Bristol is exactly what they need more of. Stupid Conservatives.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:15 pm“We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.”
Uh… Exactly which “decision” are you “proud of”? The decision of a 16-year old to have sex, or the decision to not have an abortion? Since you oppose anyone else’s daughter even having the ability to make such decisions, how can you be proud? Let me see if I have this straight. You favor overturning Roe v. Wade, except as it applies to your daughter?
p.s. Say hello to Bristol’s “baby daddy”. Way to live down to the “Valley trash” stereotype.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmI’ve got no problem with women who have children without getting married. I do have a problem with a situation where women are planning families with the intent that it will be the government (you and me) and not the fathers, that will be supporting them.
Actually, the state will go after the fathers for child-support, so your point, she go **Poof!**
September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmWell, folks, it’s started. Laura Bush gave a talk warning the Democrats not to be sexist towards Palin. Now people on another blog are saying that talk about Palin’s possible pregnancy and talk about her pregnant daughter are sexist.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmgetplaning Says:
This would be a huge gamble, even for mcccain but I don’t rule it out.
Unbelievable, As far as the left getting hit for mudslinging, I’m sorry but it’s the hypocracy. They are just going to have to put up with it.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pmThey’re so proud to be grandparents that it took another rumor for them to announce it.
Years worth of scandals in mere days, yea she’s got experience.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pmBilbo,
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pm17 sounds better??
spencers mom Says:
samsuncle Says:
What kind of mother is Palin that she would leave a 4 month old Down Syndrome child and a pregnant teenage daughter for 2 months to campaign for VP? This speaks volumes about her true character.
I guess the kind of mother who leaves the 4-month-old Down’s baby in the care of the pregnant teenager.
Be careful here, folks. This kind of talk will be deemed to be sexist by our concerned trolls. Any talk about what Palin should or would do as a mother is off-limits because it is sexist. They will say “would you say that about the father”. My reply is, yes. Someone needs to be home with that baby. If the father wants to take on the job, more power to him. But, apparently, the father’s job is more important than his new son, as is his mother’s.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmThis story reminds me of the time two buddies and I were fishing off the coast near Channel Islands in California. The Fish and Game boat came along side and wanted to see our fishing licenses. After much tap dancing and flashing what we hoped would be taken as three licenses instead of two the warden said “I have seen three fishermen and three licenses now I am coming aboard to see all six at once.” Fortunately we got off with a lecture.
The point: Tap Dancing doesn’t work. The public should see two Mommas and two babies—all at once—together—NOW—not six months from now. The Birth Certificates would help but would not be proof since the State issues the certificates and the Governor may have used some influence—again. There are many ways of proving parenthood and saying so isn’t one of them.
This is not intended to be a moral judgement concerning the baby or babies, as the case may be, because I really don’t give a damn either way. It is, however, intended to be a judgement of the Republican morals that make such a fiasco possible. And even worse is the thought that the Repukes think that we, the general public, are dumb enough to believe them.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmWell, Keith, Ted Kennedy attended the same Law School (UVa) as Laura Ingraham. We know which one sits on her degree to blow hot air from 8-10PM weekdays.
I’d say that Zooey can fill the gap left by Mrs. Palin.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmNow people on another blog are saying that talk about Palin’s possible pregnancy and talk about her pregnant daughter are sexist.
Which one? I feel a blog-war building…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Well, folks, it’s started. Laura Bush gave a talk warning the Democrats not to be sexist towards Palin. Now people on another blog are saying that talk about Palin’s possible pregnancy and talk about her pregnant daughter are sexist.
I’m sure they’ll be just as angry with Rush Limbaugh for repeatedly referring to Palin as a “babe“.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmbackup Says: I’ve got no problem with women who have children without getting married. I do have a problem with a situation where women are planning families with the intent that it will be the government (you and me) and not the fathers, that will be supporting them.
You get outraged about this, but don’t mind corporations doing the exact same thing on a FAR larger scale by not paying taxes? Boggles the mind that you can breathe.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pmI suppose it could be worse. At least she isn’t the clergyman’s daughter… I always tried to date them first
September 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pmKeith Says:
Bilbo,
17 sounds better??
Well, since having sex with a minor is a crime in Alaska, you bet 17 sounds better.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pmSo this garbage is more important than Biden and Obama lying about Russia or ripping apart the 4th Amendment? The War Party wins either way, and TP is turning into a hybrid version of the National Enquirer. Who f**king cares about Palin’s ass. You could run a Kielbasa against McCain and the Polish sausage would win.
http://www.npr.org/ templates/ story/ story.php?storyId=94048033
September 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pm#barfly Says:
Now people on another blog are saying that talk about Palin’s possible pregnancy and talk about her pregnant daughter are sexist.
Which one? I feel a blog-war building…
Huffington Post.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pmFirst, even the later posts at the Daily Kos tend to agree that there is photographic evidence supporting that the Governor was indeed pregnant at the time of her Dallas speech and totally irresponsible actions as a mother who was going into delivery. This is the point that should be pressed. Second, not only does the mother show absolutely irresponsible care for her own child; she also backs a form of sex education that increases the likelihood of unwed pregnancies. Her views on sex education must be pressed in public.
Yes, this is the Jerry Springer world of politics.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pmThe question is:
Is this Bristol’s FIRST or SECOND child?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
So this garbage is more important than Biden and Obama lying about Russia…
So, exactly how did Biden and Obama lie about Russia?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmtom. I have been wrong before. It just seems like a lot of work to me. And it seems like a distraction from the real issues (creationism? ultra hard line on abortion? etc). I guess there is some jeopardy if progressives focus on a conspiracy that doesn’t pan out (at the opportunity cost of scrutinizing real world positions on issues), but you seem pretty confident. I’ll mark your words and we’ll wait and see. For now, I’m not seeing it.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmArn Gunnutes Says:
The question is:
Is this Bristol’s FIRST or SECOND child?
According to them, first because they say she is 5 months pregnant and Trig is 4 months old. I’m betting Bristol’s pregnancy is a sham. We’ll see.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Keith Says:
Bilbo,
17 sounds better??
Well, since having sex with a minor is a crime in Alaska, you bet 17 sounds better.
I haven’t found any information about the girl’s birthdate. The age of consent in Alaska is 16, and it seems unlikely that, even if she’s 16 now, she conceived while she was 15. Unless, of course, she’s only just 16, rather than almost 17.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmbackup Says:
For now, I’m not seeing it.
You wouldn’t see the truth if it smacked you in the face with a two-by-four. Once again, I recommend you find a critical thinking class at your local JC. You are sadly in need of it.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmThis all shows that in America ANYONE 35 or older can be VP and president. Nothing has any meaning anymore with the Repugs. Up is down, down is up, black is white. What about experience as a job qualification, education in a related field, maturity, and on and on with the ‘expectations’ of a civilized, modern society. The lady is too busy to properly raise her family (yeah, I question that son going into the army, too) yet we are told that she is eminently qualified to lead this country. What a crock.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Well, folks, it’s started. Laura Bush gave a talk warning the Democrats not to be sexist towards Palin. Now people on another blog are saying that talk about Palin’s possible pregnancy and talk about her pregnant daughter are sexist.
Liberals sexist? LOL. Who nominated the first woman VP 24 years ago? Who had the first viable female Presidential candidate? Who has more female govenors, Senators and Representatives? Who fights for the ERA, equal pay for equal work, abortion rights, and all other womne’s rights? Who put the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pmgummitch Says:
The age of consent in Alaska is 16, and it seems unlikely that, even if she’s 16 now, she conceived while she was 15. Unless, of course, she’s only just 16, rather than almost 17.
Well, there must be some reason for it because everything I read yesterday referred to her as 16 and today she is magically 17.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Well, folks, it’s started. Laura Bush gave a talk warning the Democrats not to be sexist towards Palin.
Tis’ the season for the laughable attempts by republicans to appear socially conscious. That’s why that fair pay bill sponsored by Obama is pushed to the back of the Senate filing cabinet, right?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmDid someone already point out that it looks like someone besides the Governor believes in drilling in Alaska?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmbackup Says:
This goes all the way back to Ragun forcing both members of a household to have to work to survive(not a choice made by the family). So much for family values.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pmgummitch Says: I’m sure they’ll be just as angry with Rush Limbaugh for repeatedly referring to Palin as a “babe“.
Or McCain’s blatant staring at Palin’s rear end while she gave her speech?
‘McCain’s Wandering Eyes’ is at YouTube.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pm3. Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
Sarah Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pmI so tire of the organized hypocrisy
September 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pmJust think of how the conservatives are going to justify a VP with a pregnant teenager to their own teenagers? I can just hear the teenagers now, “But mom, our Vice President’s daughter is unmarried and pregnant, that means she had sex. So why can’t I?”
September 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pmLiberals sexist? LOL. Who nominated the first woman VP 24 years ago? Who had the first viable female Presidential candidate? Who has more female govenors, Senators and Representatives? Who fights for the ERA, equal pay for equal work, abortion rights, and all other womne’s rights? Who put the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling? — unbelievable
And who’s been a stepford wife since 1977?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pmI figure they will just remind their daughters that this event was the result of pure love and the beauty of god’s desires and had nothing to do with those nasty blowjobs….
September 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pmThe legal age of consent in Alaska is 16, but weirdly only if the other person is 18 (at least that’s how it appears to me) The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents.
Alaskan law recognizes statutory rape only in cases involving an age difference of more than 3 years. A 17 year old male who has consensual sex with a 15 year old girl is not guilty of statutory rape.
Personally I think 16 is a practical arbitrary choice for the age of consent but with the caveat that 16 year old’s should be thoroughly educated about contraception, the perils of STD’s and the responsibilities and impact of pregnancy, birth and parenting (and about actual–not just statutory–rape.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pmThis should go to the very heart of the conservative and Republican values debate. The theme must be constant. Palin is not qualified to be president. She took undue risks with the birth of her last child and stands behind a form of sex education that has a proven track record of failing and creating more teenage unwed mothers. (Do not even have to mention her child. What will she do? Claim that the liberals are attacking her personally? Let them. Our answer should simply be that there are too many unwed pregnancies resulting in abortions [legal choice, but easily avoided by contraception}. Then ask if the daughter’s pregnancy was one of choice or ignorance.)
September 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pmI’m appalled by comments from people who’s credentials are “left”. I’m pro-choice. My stance is without compromise. That the Palin’s daughter is pregnant is nobody’s business. That she intends to keep the baby is nobody’s business. Where are the supportive people who say a woman has a choice? Instead I read garbage that I thought belonged to right-wingers. I’m not surprised. This campaign has opened my eyes how hypocritical the left is. It seems hypocrisy is American, not a character trait that belongs to just one camp.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pmprabhata Says:
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Concern troll…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pmIs it anyone’s business if she chooses to raise the child in an electrified box? Just wondering….
September 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pmIt isn’t hypocrisy to refuse to be lectured by hypocrites. It isn’t wrong of us to point out one example of what can go wrong if the candidate’s faulty views are imposed on the whole country. I feel bad for her daughter. I’d feel even worse for America with Palin as veep.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pmrepublicans live by the double standard, so none of this soap opera will deter them from doing their duty. I’m just wondering how someone that was ‘undecided’ two weeks ago could possibly be considering a republican vote in November at this point.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pmprabhata Says:
Learn to read and understand. People here have consistently stated that they are not bothered about someone’s choice to have pre-marital sex and/or get pregnant. What we’re criticizing is the reeking hypocrisy that is so typical of the right. That and their foolish stance against proven, tested solutions to issues. Get it? Somehow I don’t think so…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pmYou seem like a hypocrit yourself as you obviosly have not read the threads…..the events evolve pointing out palen and mccains own hypocricy quite clearly…that is the issue, please stick to it.
concern troll should be talking to the republicans about hypocricy, not here.
By the way, who’s business was Bill Clintons private sex life? Oh yeah, he’s a democrat.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: “I’m betting Bristol’s pregnancy is a sham.”
My $20 to a glass of warm pee says the result will be a miscarriage, of justice as well.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pmunbelievable. you’re getting your doctorate. Surely, you understand that the concept of integrity is based on the proof of wrongdoing and not just the speculation of it.
I believe that what we know now, is that Palin is the mother of an unwed teenager that is pregnant.
Are you telling me that we should question the integrity of parents of unwed teens?
I can understand your desire that Palin proves to lack integrity, but you should temper your desire with patience and avoid the risk to your credibility if her integrity survives the scrutiny.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pmprabhata Says: Where are the supportive people who say a woman has a choice?
You think Bristol has a choice? Please. Don’t insult our intelligence.
We are merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the ‘moral’ majority here. Sorry you are unable to differentitate, but don’t put our crap on us.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmunwed teens that are pregnant.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmThe last couple of years have been a bit tough for Republicans. haven’t they?
From Ted Haggard, to Larry Craig, to Mark Foley, and now the Palins’ questionable parenting skills (by conservative standards).
When will these people stop trying to tell everyone else how to live their lives, when they can’t even put their own house in order?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmSuch good news isn’t it, what spin are they going to put on this and HOW are they going to blame the Democrats with this bit of news? Well Gustav hit, rain, much wind and the electricity is out probably for days. Had the generator ready, surge supressor hooked up, satellite modem and we are on line. We are still getting a pretty steady blow at times as the bands of the storm move around.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmYou got to give it to McBane! Picking Palin really injected some humor into the campaign. The Republican ticket has become a very funny joke!
September 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pmI think this a perfect opportunity for those who are pro-choice to express our view that sex education is the best antidote for unwanted pregnancies. Teenagers must be given options because when the hormones kick in, there is no way to stop the reproductive urge. It’s what humans are supposed to do at a certain age, to deny that is foolhardy.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:55 pmbackup Says:
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Love the bow tie… it’s so… so… “George Will”…
And it goes so well w/ that tweed jacket w/ the leather patches and the horn-rim glasses…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pmnot just humans…
September 1st, 2008 at 2:56 pmI believe that what we know now, is that Palin is the mother of an unwed teenager that is pregnant.
Wrong.
She could prove it one way or the other, but won’t.
What we know, is there are incovenient facts that create an impression of cover-up.
September 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pmbackup Says: unbelievable. you’re getting your doctorate. Surely, you understand that the concept of integrity is based on the proof of wrongdoing and not just the speculation of it.
You really aren’t bright enough to pull off patronizing other people.
The point of integrity is acting in accordance with your own ideological standards. For Palin to condemn valid sex education, but then wind up with a preganant daughter demonstrates that she lacks the integrity to tell other people how they should raise their children on a diet of ignorance and denial.
Palin chose to step into the spotlight. If she cannot live up to her own ideals, then how can you expect us to see her as a person of high integrity as you were demanding yesterday?
Again, you’ve failed to answer my question. You still consider her qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presdiency?
September 1st, 2008 at 2:59 pmI read some responses that shows where the left is. Because the GOP attacked BC’s bj, it’s now OK to attack Bristol and Palin for their situation. The left and the GOP are now at home in the mud of politics. Whatever.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmprabhata Says:
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Concern troll…
September 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmAre you telling me that we should question the integrity of parents of unwed teens?
~backup
I won’t claim to speak for Unbelievable, but she made it very clear she doesn’t think too highly of someone who hides behind her teenage daughter’s out-of-wedlock pregnancy to save her own political career.
The Palins could have simply denied the rumors, instead of throwing their daughter into the spotlight.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pmUnbelievable and others, backup is a troll. His method is slicker than most but his tactic is to gently guide the conversation in the direction he wants it to go and he likes to set little ineffectual traps for us.
He basically thinks he is smarter than most and likes playing games with people who are here to express their outrage and he capitalizes on our passion.
He’s not worth your effort. Just gasbag him and move on to something relevant.
This is of course just my opinion and you are of course free to engage him if you want.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pmFred Says:
Unbelievable and others, backup is a troll. His method is slicker than most but his tactic is to gently guide the conversation in the direction he wants it to go and he likes to set little ineffectual traps for us.
He basically thinks he is smarter than most and likes playing games with people who are here to express their outrage and he capitalizes on our passion.
He’s not worth your effort. Just gasbag him and move on to something relevant.
This is of course just my opinion and you are of course free to engage him if you want.
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Totally on the money, Fred… as the French would say, Bingeau!!!!!!
I just love that bow tie… so “George Will”, huh???
September 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmLove it! So Sarah’s child and grandchild can grow up like twins! Real Appalachian Family Values. Definitely will get the Redneck vote for the rethuglicans. Just imagine if Chelsea had gone preggers in the White House like Bristol did in the Governor’s Mansion.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pmGregor Samsa Says: I won’t claim to speak for Unbelievable
Feel free. That was dead on. :)
backup can’t address the issues, so he dances around them in an attempt to avoid them. It’s rather amusing, knowing that even smug Bill Kristol admitted that he believed McCain will be defeated in November.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pm…the day my moose-killing mama socked it to the Wasilla Valley PTA…
September 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pmprabhata sniffs:
I read some responses that shows where the left is. Because the GOP attacked BC’s bj, it’s now OK to attack Bristol and Palin for their situation. The left and the GOP are now at home in the mud of politics. Whatever.
Oh, you poor, tender soul. Perhaps a monastery will give you the distance you seek from us muckers.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pmFred Says: Unbelievable and others, backup is a troll. His method is slicker than most but his tactic is to gently guide the conversation in the direction he wants it to go and he likes to set little ineffectual traps for us.
Whack-a-troll is fun from time to time. Especially this one who likes to pretend he knows something about philosophy, and is all patronizing to seem intellectual.
:)
September 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pmHow could Sarah Palin do this to her daughter? If she knew her daughter was pregnant before being chosen as the VP pick, why would she accept?
This whole situation brings up more questions than it answers. One thing this tells me is that Sarah Palin lacks judgment.
You would think that as a mother, Sarah Palin would want to protect her daughter, not put her in the national spotlight like this. I guess political ambition trumps all.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pmWell, gotta run…
Enjoy your holiday everyone!
September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pmWhy it is that the internets cannot get certain messages out beyond the corporate brainwashing..
-Bush’s family history - Nazis & $$$ & stuff
-Bush’s Vietnam record
-McCain’s lies about voting for veterans
-Why does no one care about the Keating 5 scandal?
Now with Palin? This is just too much.
George Bush/John McCain republicans do not care about women’s issues or rights - they’ve sacrificed Sarah Palin - a perfect distraction, all the while Bush/McCain/Palin are trying to be the Gustav heroes…anything to make us forget about their convention no one wants to attend. I agree that as Sarah Palin is pro abstinence-only education and now her teenage daughter is pregnant she should maybe address this but, I wont hold my breath - I’m sure corporate media’s message on this will have to do with respecting THEIR privacy, blah,blah,blah. Corporate Media is allowed to be selectively respectful.
This site is smarter than these tabloid distractions - In addition to the the article below, I also remember seeing something online about Cheney possibly going to Georgia - any news on that? Should we really be ignoring Cheney?
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http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2008/ Bush_seeks_to_institutionalize_war_powers_0830.html
“As the nation focuses on Sen. John McCain’s choice of running mate, President Bush has quietly moved to expand the reach of presidential power by ensuring that America remains in a state of permanent war.”
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I just want to remind the smart people, you guys - the ones that can retain news and history - the ones that are immune(?) to these distractions and political ploys meant to divide us - we are not so many - there are far too many voters out there just now tuning in. This site does a good job cataloging McCain’s hypocrisy but the way CNN paints it, there are actually poor people out there who think McCain is a good idea.
“Some people say” Americans are stupid and that we have let this happen, apathy and such - I’ll admit this is about all I’ve done (typing) & gave some $$ to Ron Paul but I can’t afford to go anywhere, just to work. Corporate Media did this to us - it’s their job to make us care and make us aware instead, they’ve funneled $$$ and technology into propaganda and distraction. Until Corporate Media is held accountable, they will be the ones scripting our futures.
Fred Says:
Unbelievable and others, backup is a troll. His method is slicker than most but his tactic is to gently guide the conversation in the direction he wants it to go and he likes to set little ineffectual traps for us.
An old debate tactic: acknowledge, accomodate, refute.
But he’s not very good at it…
September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pmbackup can’t address the issues, so he dances around them in an attempt to avoid them.
~unbelievable
Yes, Unbelievable, I have noticed that too… I agree it’s amusing -although he makes a rather weak sparring mate.
Having said that, it will help for my next family reunion with my in-laws; they are die-hard Republican & Bible literalists
::sigh::
September 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pmGregor. you’re right about this. The projection of one party’s morals on another’s is the opposite of liberty.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pmconcerning a phots at kos, supposedly refuting sara’s latest pregnancy -
OK, since the pic in the refutation post is not sourced nor dated, I simply went to the freeper post it came from and then fed the post’s url into Jeffrey’s Exif viewer to see if the image contained metadata that could tell me how old the pic is.
Profile Date Time 2003:07:01 00:00:00
5 years, 2 months, 8 hours, 45 minutes, 51 seconds ago
I don’t think this is a picture of her last pregnancy. It seems to be from a previous one.
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this is such a twisted story…
and, if bristol IS pregnant now, it’s not just a question of those “values” and “abstinence” but also an “absentee mom”…
it’s all so high-school psych, age-old at that…
September 1st, 2008 at 3:15 pmYep, complete with dress shirt with a different color collar and cuffs….republicans sure dress sharp don’t they?
September 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pmWell, I guess she can’t be the mother of the 4 month old, if she is 5 months pregnant.
The religious right will praise the child as the madonna, keeping the baby and not having an abortion 4 months ago.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pmThey will ignore that the sexually active girl may not have been educated on contraception; as was pointed out earlier this week, Sarah herself gave full term birth 8 months after the day she married.
Those things happen - and they happen a lot - it’s human behavior and biology.
The problem always lies with the self-righteous who set themselves above everyone else and feel they can tell the rest of us how to live.
The age of consent in Alaska is 16.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:19 pmThe girl was apparently not absent from school with mono — it must have been morning sickness.
Make them “grow up faster”????
They’re not grown up already and she wants to be VP of the U.S.????????
How can anybody believe a word of what these people say???
How can you tell when Republicans are lying????
THEIR LIPS ARE MOVING!!!!!!!!!!
September 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pmFred Says:
Yep, complete with dress shirt with a different color collar and cuffs….republicans sure dress sharp don’t they?
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I can just smell the pipe smoke coming thru my monitor…
September 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pmThe more serious questions revolve around the 44 year old mother with a handicapped infant and a pregnant young daughter - both of whom need her full attention - but she is off on the campaign trail.
Should she make it to the VP slot - OMG! - how will she balance the demands of her family while she is making the crucial tie-breaking vote in the Senate? Or sitting at a meeting with Maliki?
September 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pmMcCain says he knew about this????
THIS IS GOOD JUDGEMENT????????????
JEEZ - LET IT GO, OLD MAN!!!!!!!!! LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!
WILL WE EVER GET THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BABY??????????
September 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pmUnbelievable. I accept your point about Palin promoting abstinence and her daughter getting pregnant as weaking her argument on the issue. I don’t think that it is an integrity issue, because her daughter’s actions aren’t her actions. Embarrassing in light of her position? Yes. A question of integrity. I don’t think so.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pm“Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.”
So POW Guy decides to take on a VP with a Down’s syndrome baby and a 16YO pregnant daughter? How focused is she going to be on the country’s business? If this is true…and I doubt that McCain was appraised of all of this in advance…this reflects a profound like of judgment by McCain. I suspect that the campaign was totally blindsided by this and now thinks it has no choice but to pretend that they knew and accepted it. Otherwise, she’s off the ticket. No good out for McSame.
It won’t surprise me in the least if this new ‘pregnancy’ is to divert the attention away from the questions on Trig’s birth. What are the odds that such a rumor could blossom within days and then have this announcement that Bristol is 5 MONTHS Pregnant? It’s too damn coincidental and I’m going to follow this story with great interest. This story only has to hold up until 11/4/08.
What a bizarre, proto-typical Republican Family Unit.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pmWouldn’t it be nice if there was a really loud “No” when they ask the Republican convention if anyone will second the nomination of Sarah Palin to be Vice president?
(Apologies if someone mentioned this. Didn’t feel like wading through 150 comments.)
September 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pmWow and wow. This sounds like out of the page of the script from the show Desperate Housewives.
Memo to McCain: Good luck on this. You just handed Obama the presidency.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pmprabhata:
September 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pmWas you earlier suggestion that animal behavior is what it is just a ruse? See I really am an aminal behaviorist and I thought we might have a nice discussion of all of that. Is it just me or have you switched gears?
The wonders of faith-based birth control. I mean, poor kid, leave her alone. But she is going to NOT be advised to avoid getting married at 17. Who among us knew a goddamned thing at 17? She wasn’t advised to use birth control so her life wouldn’t be ruined. Abortion aside (as I can certainly understand why she might decide not to get one) the extreme right wing approach to life flat ruins lives. How sad
September 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pmDoes this not send your mind into overload??Values? What values? The hypocracy is just breathtaking! How did she get pregnant…17 years old..how old is the guy? My daughter’s 17..but we certainly have had conversations about responsibility and character…Things happen, I understand that.But she has a mother that supports abstinence only, no sex ed, no condoms, no birth control. What does she have to say about the spread of AIDS? AND, if the daughter got raped, (not saying she did in this case)she wouldn’t accept abortion as an alternative. This woman would put ALL women back in the Dark Ages!!! Since when do THEY get to tell ME what I get to do with myself OR my daughter?? That’s way they call it CHOICE! Not right for you, then don’t do it!Nobody’s making you…this is archaic! I’m angry, resentful and I have a voice with my vote…This whole thing is a disgrace to the American public…Thanks, McCain. Your “judgement” speaks VOLUMES!
September 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pmdbadass
September 1st, 2008 at 3:32 pmDespite their selection of names, the Palin family is more like redneck/Alaska. No clue about the outside world fom their own little town, just hunt, fish, ride snowmobiles, shoot moose and bear, get married young and have babies. Oh, and go to church.
Oh yeah…I guess that “absinence” thingy doesn’t work so well as the only method!! Give me a break.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pmbackup Says:
She didn’t do her job as a parent and teach her daughter how to avoid becoming pregnant. She is against the school’s teaching her daughter the same. How does she have any integrity, her daughter has been victimized by her ignorance.
Remember, she is running on “Family Values”.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pmWeren’t there a bunch of goopers who were up in arms about teen pregnancy rates after the movie Juno?
Did anyone see Bella? A similar take on an unplanned pregnancy resulting in adoption as a human kindness. A sweet film, but the message was too much for me: give birth to your illegitimate baby and give it to someone who needs to raise a child to redeem or save him/herself as a human.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pmThe question of whether Palin is qualified to be President? Unbelievable, you told me that Obama is as qualified as Lincoln was when he became president. I took that to mean that experience doesn’t necessarily equate to good performance.
I’ll have to go back and look at the threads from yesterday, but I still have the impression that Obama’s experience is relatively similar to Palin’s. Palin has not been vetted by the election process, but she’s also 2nd on the ticket, while Obama is leading the Democrat ticket.
Here’s my take on each candidates experience.
Obama went and was a professor at law school and was a state senator from Illinois for some period of time. He was then elected to the U.S. Senate and has been a Senator for 3 years. He has been campaigning for President for 2 years and shown up for only half the votes (McCain’s record is worse). He’s the member of several committees and the chair of a couple. He has been the co-sponsor of over 600 bills (his involvement as co-sponsor, I don’t know). He has also been the sponsor of 2 bills that actually made it to law. The significance of those laws, I’m not sure. He’s the sponsor of two laws.
I not as confident about Palin but I’m working on it. She started at the PTA (mother of 5, 4 if you prefer). Elected to small town mayor. Lost a run for Lt. Governor. Elected to Governor on reform platform. Apparently worked with democrats to raise tax on oil companies. Also headed bi-partisan effort for successful natural gas pipeline. Sold the governors jet (fought excess government waste). Pushed thru a $1200 rebate per capita to help Alaskans with high energy costs. Fought corruption within republican party (I need to get more detail). Opposed bridge to nowhere (this is in dispute).
Relatively, the experience of the two are similar. Both relatively inexperienced to be President. Obama’s on the top of the ticket. (He’ll be President day one). Palin’s the number 2 (McCain would have to die or leave). Obama’s been vetted. Palin has not. (Aside: Biden has also been vetted and overlooked by the American people in the primary).
September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pmAMcG773 Says:
Weren’t there a bunch of goopers who were up in arms about teen pregnancy rates after the movie Juno?
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Yep……… hypocrisy much???
September 1st, 2008 at 3:42 pmFred, I agree with you. Assuming she did not want to get pregnant, Palin’s daughter is a victim of a lack of sex education and availability of birth control.
I disagree with Palin’s support for abstinence only and opposition to sex education.
September 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pmSenator Obama’s response: perhaps this will do something to ameliorate this adolescent outburst on the left and get us back to the task at hand:
September 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm”
I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.”
backup Says:
I took that to mean that experience doesn’t necessarily equate to good performance.
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Of course, in Botch’s case, no amount of experience in the world would equate w/ good performance.
Love the bow tie, BTW, but you’re trying too