Steelworkers President To Palin: ‘Stop Using Your Husband’s Membership In The USW As A Prop’
Steelworkers President To Palin: ‘Stop Using Your Husband’s Membership In The USW As A Prop’
When Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) introduced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, he trumpeted her husband’s union membership: “The person I’m about to introduce to you was a union member and is married to a union member, and understands the problems, the hopes and the values of working people,” he said. That day, and again last night, Palin also emphasized that her husband is “a proud member of the United Steelworkers Union.”
Conservatives are hoping the reference will play well in Michigan and Ohio. But the United Steelworkers union (USW) isn’t so pleased. USW President Leo Gerard noted that just because Todd Palin is a union member doesn’t mean that Palin is automatically qualified to represent labor interests:
It is important to realize that while the governor’s husband is a member of a union, this does not automatically qualify her for an on-the-job training program to become a heartbeat away from the presidency. And while her husband is one of 850,000 dues-paying members of the steelworkers union, it does nothing to absolve Sen. McCain of his long history of anti-union sentiment and anti-worker actions.
In fact, McCain’s hostility to unions and union priorities runs deep:
– McCain voted to block the Employee Free Choice Act, making it easier for workers to unionize. [6/26/07]
– McCain condemned unions as “serious excesses” and said government workers are “crippled” by union contracts. [10/9/07; 5/21/07]
– McCain voted to filibuster a minimum wage hike last year. [1/24/07]
– McCain voted against a bill protecting discrimination against workers who go on strike, effectively allowing companies to hire permanent replacements for striking workers. [S. 55, 7/13/94]
– McCain voted against an amendment providing more effective remedies to victims of gender discrimination in the payment of wages. [7/17/07]
Last night, Gerard demanded that Palin “stop using USW as a prop.” Noting McCain’s opposition to the top priorities on USW’s agenda, Gerard asked Palin:
Are you with McCain – and against workers – on these issues? If so, you need to stop using your husband’s membership in the USW as a prop, because then his union card cannot possibly cover up your or John McCain’s worker-savaging positions.
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I thought that he was a stay at home dad... or is he a stay at home dad or a proud member of the USW depending on the political winds at the time.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:15 pmFailin' Palin is not above using her own child/grandchild as a prop for goodness sake. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for her to quit playing Little Toddy's UAW card.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pmcorrection -- USW card
September 4th, 2008 at 1:17 pmA union member voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Regards to the father of former Congressman JC Watts (R-OK), who was trying to explain to his dumbass son that black people shouldn't be Republicans.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:18 pmI can assure you that as a union worker in Michigan for 15 years, Michigan and Ohio union members will be quite informed about Palin and her husband and will not fall for this trickery.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:18 pmDid you notice how little Palin spoke about the things that matter to people like me in Ohio? I am thinking about the economy, (we need jobs and we need them badly), the high cost of food and energy, health care, education, and others that we care about. I don't care if he is a union member or not. I would care if I thought that would bring more jobs to the country.
Palin is out of touch with what matters in America.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pmI found it confusing when Mitt Romney struck out against unions in his speech and then Palin comes along and touts her husband's union memebership.
Did anyone check on Todd Palin's membership? You can pay dues but never active. Is this membership for show only?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pmSnow Machine President To Palin: ‘Stop Using Your Husband’s Membership In The Snow Machine Racers League As A Prop’
September 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pmraynman Says
September 4th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I thought that he was a stay at home dad… or is he a stay at home dad or a proud member of the USW depending on the political winds at the time.
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I believe he was a stay-at-home dad for awhile. About a year or so ago, he took leave from his job at BP because of a conflict of interest -- BP was negotiating with his wife the governor over a natural gas pipeline.
He has supposedly returned to work at BP as a production operator after being a SAH dad for seven months.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:21 pm"USW President Leo Gerard noted that just because Todd Palin is a union member doesn’t mean that Palin is automatically qualified to represent labor interests:"
I will bet Gerard pressures Todd Palin by threatening to revoke him membership for not falling into line.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:23 pmGuilty requests for today
Halliburton exec (R-Abu Dhabi)
Kilpatrick (R-Detroit)
Abramoff (R-American Samoa)
September 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pmHave they forgotten how many steal workers that have lost their jobs in the past 7 years. WOW, talk about whistling through the graveyard.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pmTracy__5 Says:
“USW President Leo Gerard noted that just because Todd Palin is a union member doesn’t mean that Palin is automatically qualified to represent labor interests:”
I will bet Gerard pressures Todd Palin by threatening to revoke him membership for not falling into line.
More like because speaking in behalf of an union without being designated to do it by the union is a motive to be disciplinated, specially if you're a member.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pmTracy__5 Says:
I will bet Gerard pressures Todd Palin by threatening to revoke him membership for not falling into line.
Leave it to Tracy to say something completely stupid, and not even use correct English when posting his stupidity....
September 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pmi thought the pugs hated the unions...
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and another thing i'd like to see cleared up, TP...
the "special needs" advocate that she says she will be (now that she's faced with that "cross")...
am i wrong in thinking that is was probably DEMOCRATIC laws that made possible all the available help and education these days?
eh?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pmTracy__5 Says:
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I will bet Gerard pressures Todd Palin by threatening to revoke him membership for not falling into line.
See Tracist, as a groveling authoritarian, you cannot understand the idea that unions are democracies. The members vote for their spokespeople. Neither Todd nor Sarah Palin have been elected to speak for the USW union, especially when they are attempting to use the union for political gain. If they continue this activity, his membership should be revoked, as he is working against the interests of the majority of union members.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pmI will bet Gerard will be telling all his members to vote Democrat this election. As he should.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pmCan anyone tell me why every state doesn't have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don't have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pmA typical Repug and McDepends approach; Tell it both ways and never let the truth get in the way of a message to the LIV's.
This will get very interesting over the next 2 months!
September 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pmWhat is wrong with Palin stating the truth?
What is the president of the USW union afraid of? Could it be that his union members might actually identify with Palin?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pmTracy__5 Says:
Can anyone tell me why every state doesn’t have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don’t have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
Because some states still have citizens who don't want to give up their rights to a decent wage and at least some benefits to the Corporatists.
Not everyone wants to work as a greeter at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and no bennies.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pmApparently the repug brand has become so distasteful that unless you're a "maverick" you're worse than dog food more like the product from the other end of the dog
September 4th, 2008 at 1:38 pm#
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Tracy__5 Says:
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I will bet Gerard pressures Todd Palin by threatening to revoke him membership for not falling into line.
See Tracist, as a groveling authoritarian, you cannot understand the idea that unions are democracies. The members vote for their spokespeople. Neither Todd nor Sarah Palin have been elected to speak for the USW union, especially when they are attempting to use the union for political gain. If they continue this activity, his membership should be revoked, as he is working against the interests of the majority of union members.
That is because people don't discuss unions in Wal-Mart.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:38 pmTracy__5 Says:
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Can anyone tell me why every state doesn’t have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don’t have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
Once again, Tracist shows that Republicans do not understand the concept of democracy. Every person has one vote, and he calls it "basic discrimination".
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with these right-wing tools.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:38 pmTim43 Says:
What is wrong with Palin stating the truth?
What is the president of the USW union afraid of? Could it be that his union members might actually identify with Palin?
Because Palin wants the union members to identify with her and yet she is the last person (or second behind McCain) that would do anything but try and break the union. Are you one of those people that takes everything Republicans say at face value without thinking about what they would do as opposed to what they say?
I think we need another Timmy!
September 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pmTracy__5 Says:
Can anyone tell me why every state doesn’t have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don’t have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Please, type already the talking point "Unions are Communists", and save us a long series of painful and inanely long posts.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:40 pmTracy__5 Says:
Can anyone tell me why every state doesn’t have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don’t have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
Tracy you'll find those are the states where illegal immigrants are prevalent working for below minimum wage
September 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pmTim43 Says:
What is wrong with Palin stating the truth?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
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She stated the truth about something? When did this happen?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pmThe entire Palin family seems to be a dysfunctional and hypocritical bunch of religous zealots.
Nutjobs from up north!
September 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pmTrac, honey, haven't you heard the story about how collective bargaining built this country. People got their heads bashed in on a bridge in Detroit so you could have a forty hour work week and receive time and a half for overtime.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm"Neither Todd nor Sarah Palin have been elected to speak for the USW union, especially when they are attempting to use the union for political gain"
The Obama campaign is using unions for political gain and the unions are using union funds to support a him and defeat McCain.
"...you cannot understand the idea that unions are democracies."
"If they continue this activity, his membership should be revoked, as he is working against the interests of the majority of union members."
So there is no representation for those who don't believe in the offical positions of the union? Sounds like a government attempting to stiffle free speech by putting the clamps down on those who don't agree with the majority. Sound like right to work laws need to be passed in those states who basically are saying that the unions as the ones who determine who can work in a particular trade. That is the most unAmerican I have ever heard of.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pmTrac, did you look that up on your day off on Monday?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:45 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Neither Todd nor Sarah Palin have been elected to speak for the USW union, especially when they are attempting to use the union for political gain”
The Obama campaign is using unions for political gain and the unions are using union funds to support a him and defeat McCain.
Gawd you are one dumb SOB! You just answered your own question and you don't even know it.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pmThe Obama campaign is using unions for political gain and the unions are using union funds to support a him and defeat McCain.
You mean the Unions are saying "Obama, you can speak for us."? Go figure moron.
So there is no representation for those who don’t believe in the offical positions of the union?
WTF? You have the Republican party. You are stupid. You can even form your own anti-union group if you weren't so stupid.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm"Because some states still have citizens who don’t want to give up their rights to a decent wage and at least some benefits to the Corporatists."
So, it's OK for a union to discriminate and deny someone working in a particular trade just because they don't agree with the candidate the union bosses support?
"Not everyone wants to work as a greeter at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and no bennies."
So you think it's OK for the unions to tell someone that if you don't support the union thru membership dues and keeping you mouth shut about politics then you can't work in a particular trade?
September 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pmTracy__5 Says:
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So, it’s OK for a union to discriminate and deny someone working in a particular trade just because they don’t agree with the candidate the union bosses support?
Join the fricking union and vote the union bosses out if you don't like them. IT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY YOU THICK SKULLED IDIOT!
September 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWhy is Michigan considered a deciding state?
Michigan has always voted blue, and from all indications, will continue to do so this election.
(A very unscientific study: About 6:1 Obama signs to McCain's displayed in yards of Kalamazoo)
September 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm"Please, type already the talking point “Unions are Communists”, and save us a long series of painful and inanely long posts."
I don't have problem with unions...at all. I just don't think it's fair that a union should be able to dictate who can work and who can't in a particular trade. The unions don't pay the workers for their labor, therefore the contract to work should be between the employee and the employer.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:54 pmSo you think it’s OK for the unions to tell someone that if you don’t support the union thru membership dues and keeping you mouth shut about politics then you can’t work in a particular trade?
So you think it's OK for the Government to tell people they aren't patriotic if they don't support it?
So you think it's OK for the Government to ignore science and continue to rely on foreign energy?
You are too stupid for words you dipshit.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:55 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
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Trac, did you look that up on your day off on Monday?
Nice jab, but way too subtle for the likes of Tracy. He won't get it.
September 4th, 2008 at 1:56 pm.
According to the McBush/Falin'08 campaign I'm a qualified expert on natural gas because I fart!
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September 4th, 2008 at 1:59 pm? Possible Commercial ?
Considering how the repubs emphasize that Palin is in touch with Russia because she is close to it, could a commercial tie in her distance from the lower 48 into her lack of being in touch with mainstream America ?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:01 pmWhat is really sad about all these issues with McCain/Palin is unless the MSM grows some balls and starts bringing all of this out to the public, you're all wasting your time and breath.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pmlarkohio said:
Did you notice how little Palin spoke about the things that matter to people like me in Ohio? I am thinking about the economy, (we need jobs and we need them badly), the high cost of food and energy, health care, education, and others that we care about. I don’t care if he is a union member or not. I would care if I thought that would bring more jobs to the country.
Palin is out of touch with what matters in America.
You've just described the entire Republican party. They have absolutely nothing to offer working people so they must resort to so called "character" issues and "family values." And the hypocrisy of highlighting union memberships for a party that hates unions, or nominating a woman for VP while their platform is anti-woman, is just standard operating procedure.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pmPutin Says:
All professions should have unions or none should.
Get out there and start organizing!
September 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pmI live near K-Zoo, I'm not so sure it will go 6:1 for McCain, I haven't got my sign yet. I'll give GR though, very conservative up there.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:08 pmPutin Says:
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All professions should have unions...
Call or write your Congress person and ask them to vote for the Employee Free Choice Act.
http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/voiceatwork/efca/
September 4th, 2008 at 2:08 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Please, type already the talking point “Unions are Communists”, and save us a long series of painful and inanely long posts.”
I don’t have problem with unions…at all. I just don’t think it’s fair that a union should be able to dictate who can work and who can’t in a particular trade. The unions don’t pay the workers for their labor, therefore the contract to work should be between the employee and the employer.
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Well you're not sparing us of your inane posts... as I feared. Anyhow, here, your answer:
You have just demonstrated with this paragraph that you don't understand what is an union. Because the employer pays and the employer is a conglomerate of people and resources (very often with their own legal department, and the really great ones with a lobbying representation in Washington), its unfair to suggest that an employee must match the negotiation capacity of an employer by itself. And, in the USA (and most first world countries), the right to assemble and form civil associations is a given. And if workers "of the same trade" want to assemble to have a fair deal with employers, it's their right. The employer pays? Well, the employee DOES THE JOB. AND HAS RIGHTS OVER HIS BODY AND TO WHO AND HOW LEASES ITS OWN WORK. Plain and simple.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pmOh oops Dr.xJ my apologies, I apparently need a proof reader.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pmYeah, in right to work states a illegal immigrant can't come and take the job of a well paid and trained union worker without getting rid of all the qualified union workers on the job. You people hate immigrants and you hate American workers. STFU.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm"Trac, honey, haven’t you heard the story about how collective bargaining built this country."
I have heard this story and I believe that unions are important. I just don't think they should have the right to dictate who works and who doesn't.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pmPutin Says:
All professions should have unions or none should.
All professions should have unions. If you know cases lacking an union, help create it. If not, you're part of the problem.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pmThat's all right to work mean Tracy. Either it's all union or not union. The owner has a right to choose which way to go. You just can't insist that union workers let non union workers take their jobs.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
So, it’s OK for a union to discriminate and deny someone working in a particular trade just because they don’t agree with the candidate the union bosses support?
If Tracy could find members of the union posting a dissent to the union's staement, you know he would have already posted it. But since his search has apparently been fruitless, this cud-chewing spectacle is the best he can present.
How sad.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pmPutin Says:
My bet is that Tracy_5 will be cesnored within 5 hours if he/she continues to present an opposing viewpoint to most people on this blog.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:03 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
My bet is that you've been banned before on this blog for calling names.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm"Join the fricking union and vote the union bosses out if you don’t like them. IT’S CALLED DEMOCRACY YOU THICK SKULLED IDIOT!"
A democracy is NOT suppose to trample on the rights of those in the minority. I guess that is why you don't seem to realize that this country is a Republic where the rights of the minority are protected. Sound like you are the idiot.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pmTim43 Says:
What is wrong with Palin stating the truth?
Truth?
Read the AP fact check, idiot, like I posted for you in the Hagee thread.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20080904/ ap_on_el_pr/ cvn_fact_check
Truth? Bwahahahahahahahahaha.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pmTalk about the ultimate in hypocrisy. Republican's touting someone's union membership?
Last I heard, republicans have done everything in their power for the last 60 or so years to destroy unions. They've done a great job; just look to the global economy, jobs shipped overseas, and who profits.
One positive outcome of this though, it shows their desperation. I wouldn't bet on the average American's intellectual prowess when it comes to deciding who to vote for, but if this blatant lying and hypocrisy continues, they may actually alienate enough swing/indie voters to give the O man the nod.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pmTracy
No Einstein, it only means you can't do the job at that particular location that chose to use union labor. I assume you people still give the business owner the right to decide whether they want to use union labor or not.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pmIn Right to Work states, pay drops and health cost increase
September 4th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHey where'd my link go?http://in.aflcio.org/statefed/index.cfm?action=cat&categoryID=19fc2cfd-70fc-45ed-bbc4-430befd31347
September 4th, 2008 at 2:19 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
In Right to Work states, pay drops and health cost increase
And the disparity of men's and women's pay is greatest...
September 4th, 2008 at 2:20 pm"You mean the Unions are saying “Obama, you can speak for us.”? Go figure moron."
But descent is not allowed by the unions in Todd Palin's case. Go figure.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pmDow Jones drops 331 pts. I guess lot of people heard Sarah's speach last night.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pmA right to work state means everybody gets to work for minimum wage. States like Florida that get people to move there once they are retired. These same states then complain about the number of illegal aliens there. But people who need a job have to be crazy to move there.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:25 pm"And if workers “of the same trade” want to assemble to have a fair deal with employers, it’s their right."
Absolutely, but if an individual doesn't want to join the union in a particular trade, for whatever reason, the union shouldn't have the right to tell individuals "you can't work here".
September 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pmbarfly, no question, and there are other things that happen too. We donated money for every disaster you could think of, along with members who weren't receiving enough sick pay to survive, sponsored community events, and had a HUGE community service committee that I am still proud of. That's why J@*# offs that bash unions get under my skin.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm"You just can’t insist that union workers let non union workers take their jobs."
You can't insist that an individual must join a union to work.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pmTracy__5 Says:
“And if workers “of the same trade” want to assemble to have a fair deal with employers, it’s their right.”
Absolutely, but if an individual doesn’t want to join the union in a particular trade, for whatever reason, the union shouldn’t have the right to tell individuals “you can’t work here”.
Do we have to tell you everything? You can't even get hired after your probation period is up unless you join. Right to Work would give non-union employees the same representation that paid members get, without paying dues. Don't you get it? It's purpose is union breaking. Do you think that is good?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:31 pmTracy, you're a republican shill. Please just leave. You care not about your country, your fellow Americans, and the state of the world you leave to your offspring (God forbid). You care only about YOUR OWN POCKETBOOK. Crap on that, you aren't an American in my book, you are a lemming, a greedy little wannabe college republican type. The founding fathers would consider you a petulant little weasel.
But seriously, the fact of the matter is YOU people, Republicans, have had the WH for 28 of the last 40 years. You had a majority in ALL BRANCHES of government from '00 to '06. You have had your chance to prove that your ideology, your beliefs, your programs and policies are what is right for America. You have FAILED MISERABLY. Please do us all a favor and come up with your list of why we should vote republican. I'd really like a good laugh.
Face it, YOU people had your chance and you failed miserably.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pmTracy__5 Says:
“And if workers “of the same trade” want to assemble to have a fair deal with employers, it’s their right.”
Absolutely, but if an individual doesn’t want to join the union in a particular trade, for whatever reason, the union shouldn’t have the right to tell individuals “you can’t work here”.
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A talking point of the Republican think tanks. Union members receive a greater pay than non union, and it's the reason YOU Repugnicans, who dream to become rich owning a slave owner bussiness such as Walmart or have assets in one hate them. You want to cheapen the cost of workplaces by hiring non union people, because you trust in the neverending supply of poor people (that's why the recession is so dearest for you, isn't?) who will cheapen every day the cost of the workforce, and funneling the money of workers to YOU. No matter if in the other end is an illegal immigrant working twelve hours a day to receive $10000 per year, and living with other 10 illegal immigrant in a shack.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm"No Einstein, it only means you can’t do the job at that particular location that chose to use union labor."
That because in a state where unions dictate to the businesses thru contracts that business MUST only hire union workers. You actually think that in states where unions are strong, businesses actually have a choice? LOL!
September 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pmTracy__5 Says:
You can’t insist that an individual must join a union to work.
So you favor scab labor? Nice.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pmTracy__5 Says:
“You mean the Unions are saying “Obama, you can speak for us.”? Go figure moron.”
But descent is not allowed by the unions in Todd Palin’s case. Go figure.
Repeat after me "I am stupid"
Tell me where Todd Palin was voicing his descent?
Go figure alright. About you "do some lurnun".
September 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm"Right to Work would give non-union employees the same representation that paid members get, without paying dues. Don’t you get it? It’s purpose is union breaking. Do you think that is good?"
I just subscribe to individual rigthts and unions, for all of their good, have become a stifle on individual liberty.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pmTracy, I own my business. I choose to hire union labor because they are the most qualified. I approached the union they didn't come after me. If I wanted to do shoddier work and have less satisfied customers I could have gone non union. Your talking points are just that. They have no basis in reality.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm"Crap on that, you aren’t an American in my book..."
Your OPINION is worth crap so what's your point?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pmStifling dissent would have been if they kicked Todd out of the union when his wife vowed to break all the unions. They didn't do that apparently, they just asked him not to act like they spoke for the union who did not support McCain.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
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Trac, honey, haven’t you heard the story about how collective bargaining built this country. People got their heads bashed in on a bridge in Detroit so you could have a forty hour work week and receive time and a half for overtime.
Tracy__5 Says:
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I have heard this story and I believe employers should bash heads and work children 80 hours a week for minimum wage. That is freedom. Who cares about building the country, I'm a Republican!
September 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm"So you favor scab labor? Nice."
No, I favor individual freedom and liberty. Do you?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm"Tell me where Todd Palin was voicing his descent?"
As a union member he is supporting McCain and the union bosses like Leo Gerard in no uncertain terms told him to shut up.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pmWe're only supposed to honor all the veterans who fought for our country. We're no supposed to honor all those workers who fought, and sacrificed, and DIED, so that people could work for more than slave wages, health benefits, 40 hour weeks and vacations. You people don't want nationalized health care and then you begrudge the unions that are still getting health benefits for their members. You want to get rid of SS but just about the only pension plans that can be relied on are union pension plans. That's because the members vote for the executives. Lots of people put their futures in the hands of CEO like the employees of Enron and now what do they have?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pmTracey, where's your list of republican accomplishments?
That's what I thought. You're just cutting and pasting from some think tank's website about unions.
You're a joke, and anti-American. And yes, that is my opinion.
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Tracy__5 Says:
“No Einstein, it only means you can’t do the job at that particular location that chose to use union labor.”
That because in a state where unions dictate to the businesses thru contracts that business MUST only hire union workers. You actually think that in states where unions are strong, businesses actually have a choice? LOL!
Just stop already, that is pure fantasy. I worked in Indiana and we were the last union shop in the corporation, and when our contract ran out, the shop closed. It had nothing to do with profit, the company made plenty of profit, I know because profits are disclosed during negotiations. It had everything to do with the CEO moving production overseas, something that republicans love. When the production moved away from our skilled labor, it was lost. Yes, Freightliner did try to sue the company because they didn't disclose their move to the heavy truck giant, but your assertation that that unions dictate business is off the chart wrong. Get educated about issues please, you'll be more help to your country. The End.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pmShe's a cancer.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm"Tracy, I own my business. I choose to hire union labor because they are the most qualified."
You actually think that just because someone is union they are the most qualified? I am assuming you operate a small business, and you didn't look at individual resumes?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pmTodd is a stay at home dad who doesn't even want to work, all they are doing is pimping his previous experience to suck up to LIVs who might believe they care about the union. Pimp the pregnant daughter, pimp the down syndrome baby. Pimp the PTA and the overpaid mayor job with big salary for a town the size that usually has a volunteer administrator.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pmEither Tracey is a silver spoon rich kid, wants to be, or simply flat out ignorant.
What do you want, really? For all unions to be disbanded, all good paying jobs shipped overseas, and America become a third world nation of serfs?
Is that what you want for your country?
September 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pmApparently you favor illegal immigrants coming and doing the jobs that Americans were getting paid decent wages to do. What, you don't like that idea either. How Republican of you.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pm"That’s what I thought. You’re just cutting and pasting from some think tank’s website about unions."
No, I think that unions shouldn't have the right to dictate who works and who shouldn't. It's that simple.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI ran the business for two years and was unable to get people who could do the skilled job properly. My husband had been in the business for 20 years so we knew there were plenty of qualified people but they all wanted to make a decent wage with benefits. And even if we paid them the same they didn't want to give up their pensions. Imagine that. Union members looking out for their future so they wouldn't be a burden on society. We offer a customer service and want our customers happy. As a Republican you'd rather pay less and charge more and you wouldn't care if your customers are happy. That's why we've run a successful business for 12 years with happy employees who do a great job and everybody is happy. The only difference is we don't have the biggest house in town. But WE'RE not complaining, you are.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pmPutin Says:
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I have not been banned for calling people names. However, I have seen posts by people suddenly disappear. They did not name call or anything of the sort.
Its hard to read this blog sometimes because people refer to another blogger who has no posts…all of their posts disappear in thin air. Can’t follow the conversation when only some posts are shown while others are deleted or hidden.
The ones that should be deleted are the ones that John Gibson reads on the air. Makes this site look bad. His buddies read off 12-15 yesterday from angry bloggers who had nothing much to say.
Most posts here are good, but some are just angry.
Putin, I've found that you don't need to say anything offensive to get banned from this board. Just having a different opinion is enough. But, if you are a proven left wing TP blogger you are given the grace to use any four letter word in the book and get away with it.
Just wait until Obama gets in. Obama and Pelosi are cut from the same cloth as the operators of TP. Censorship of the opposing voice will become the norm. Starting with the supposed "fairness doctrine" which is really code word for eliminating conservative talk radio.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm"For all unions to be disbanded, all good paying jobs shipped overseas, and America become a third world nation of serfs?"
No, just simply that individual's freedoms and liberty are protected. Apparently you don't.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pmTracy is so stupid that he thinks you can look at a resume and tell if somebody can do skilled work.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pmThree trolls now spamming the board and complaining about not having the freedom to post. What a bunch of whiny babies. Typical Republicans. Oh, the terrorists, the terrorist, wah, wah, wah. Man up you bunch of wusses.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pmNo, just simply that individual’s freedoms and liberty are protected. Apparently you don’t.
Go tell that to your Republican representatives because it would seem that in the last 8 years you individual freedoms and liberty have been eroded. Your concern that Unions restrict your freedoms and liberty is missplaced. Go try and set up a union at walmart and see how free you are to do this.
I've had enough of this idiot.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:10 pmTim43 Says:
Just wait until Obama gets in. Obama and Pelosi are cut from the same cloth as the operators of TP. Censorship of the opposing voice will become the norm. Starting with the supposed “fairness doctrine” which is really code word for eliminating conservative talk radio.
September 4th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
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Censorship of the opposing voice is ALREADY the norm. That's why there are almost no liberal voices in the mainstream media. A little fairness and balance is badly needed on American airwaves.
That having been said, I don't believe it's the role of government to maintain this balance, and I'm sure a constitutional scholar like Obama will agree. If we want fairness in the media, and we want to get conservative hatemongers like Michael Savage off the air, we need to do it using the free market by targeting their bottom line.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pmPutin, I’ve found that you don’t need to say anything offensive to get banned from this board.
You just don't get it. Stupid is offensive and you have shown your stupidity with this post:
What is the president of the USW union afraid of? Could it be that his union members might actually identify with Palin?
Union members that identify with Palin are union members that don't realize that Palin is anti-union.
It's really that simple Tim.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pmWell Obama and Biden have never insisted on banning books in the library or firing the librarian. If that isn't censorship what is ? We have had more censorship with this administration than any in history and mccain/palin will continue the censorship.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pm"As a Republican you’d rather pay less and charge more and you wouldn’t care if your customers are happy."
That is utter nonsense because if my clients weren't happy we wouldn't be in business.
"But WE’RE not complaining, you are."
Complaining about unions preventing individuals from working? Oh well...
September 4th, 2008 at 3:29 pmTracy__5 Says:
A democracy is NOT suppose to trample on the rights of those in the minority. I guess that is why you don’t seem to realize that this country is a Republic where the rights of the minority are protected. Sound like you are the idiot.
Gosh, Tracy, that's EXACTLY what the Repuke Party has been doing to US for the last EIGHT YEARS.
Where have you been? Or, better question, when did you finally pull your head out of your ass?
September 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm"Tracy is so stupid that he thinks you can look at a resume and tell if somebody can do skilled work."
And you insanely think that just because they are union they can do skilled work. Some of the buildings that I have overseen the construction where unions did the work were some of the worst in terms of craftmanship. Especially when it came to masonry.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pmSays the guy who is dumb as a brick.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pm"Or, better question, when did you finally pull your head out of your ass?"
Again I have seen your picture Anne and you still keep your head up your ass.
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Censorship of the opposing voice is ALREADY the norm. That’s why there are almost no liberal voices in the mainstream media. A little fairness and balance is badly needed on American airwaves.
That having been said, I don’t believe it’s the role of government to maintain this balance, and I’m sure a constitutional scholar like Obama will agree. If we want fairness in the media, and we want to get conservative hatemongers like Michael Savage off the air, we need to do it using the free market by targeting their bottom line.
Not sure why my previous posting did not go through. Is TP in the process of censoring me?
Anyhoot. For a left winger, you certainly have a lot of trust in the Obama's "constitutional scholarship." You also have quite the opposite view of the majority of Americans about the liberal bias in the American Media...
Question: Are you a college student that does not have access to a television?
September 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pmShe also gave to the enemy time that her son was to deploy to Iraq...So there will information on why her son went into the military it may not because he wanted to.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:13 pmHi Tim43:
September 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmMaybe you can help me out. I keep hearing about this Liberal bias in the media. Yet when I ask why people believe this I get no answers. Understand that I am not looking for evidences. What I am looking for is an explaination of the causal factors which have given rise to your "liberal media" Personally I lean toward the power of the invisible hand. What do you think?
Tim says:
You also have quite the opposite view of the majority of Americans about the liberal bias in the American Media…
What you forgot to qualify "...the majority of Americans, that watch Fox,..."
September 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pm"Says the guy who is dumb as a brick."
Yes...you just did.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pmTracy_5
September 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pmWho do you think should represent workers as to safe working conditions, wages, hours, etc?
Tim43
Mmmm..this is rich. I'll span way out there for a minute and pretend your contention is short of bullshit.
Any "censorship" by TP admin is still far short of Red State and their comparable hubs of delusion. TP and any other site can choose to ban whomever they choose, even w/o a TOS agreement, because TP is not the government and they are within their rights to take out the trash to cater to their majority audience. In fact, they're not doing enough, as evidenced by our complaints.
Want an example of a free-speech violation? The government has is abridgingthe constitutional rights of protesters -- even before they protest -- with false arrests. I guess arresting Amy Goodman for exercising her free speech is Law and Order, right? Newsflash: I don't feel any goddamn safer that a mature woman with a camera is in jail. Idiot.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:33 pmLast night, Mitt Romney stressed the need for a government with “…a Tyrannosaurus appetite for unions”. Republicans HATE unions! Anything that gives workers equal power to employers: BAD! Yet Palin loves to talk about her and her husband's union membership.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:45 pmQuestion: Are you a college student that does not have access to a television?
September 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
College: that one's very informative outlet if you're there to make use of campus resources and expand your horizons beyond partying and frat membership.
Television: you probably equate the 'on' button with Faux News. Libs, who tend to be better educated, have something called the Internet -- a much more informative outlet to quench our thirst for knowledge, something you despise.
Toasterhead is doing just fine with or w/o a television, thank you very much, troll.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pmThanks for running your business like a real American, Shayne.
Tracy, I haven't seen your photo and I know you're the ugliest piece of shit alive.
Didn't Reagan say that people have the right to enjoy the fruits of their labor? Why would you call the greed of figurehead executives labor, and why do you think employees, those who do the real work, shouldn't do whatever it takes to be assured they will have those fruits -- including undercutting the tactics of greedy employers who attempt to deny them what they're owed?
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College: that one’s very informative outlet if you’re there to make use of campus resources and expand your horizons beyond partying and frat membership.
Television: you probably equate the ‘on’ button with Faux News. Libs, who tend to be better educated, have something called the Internet — a much more informative outlet to quench our thirst for knowledge, something you despise.
Toasterhead is doing just fine with or w/o a television, thank you very much, troll.
Ha, Toasterheads sock puppet came to play.
First of all, you need to follow the entire context of the comments to see that we were talking about the liberal bias of television networks. For you to say that Toasterhead is doing ok with or without television does not have any meaning in the context of the conversation. How can Toasterhead's comments about bias in the media be taken seriously if he does not have television?
Your comment: Libs, who tend to be better educated,
are part of the reason why Obama has been slipping. People see right through elitist comments like this. Comments such as these sound just like Obama when he told a group of San Francisco liberals that small town Americans cling to their guns and religion.
Palin connects with American (educated or not) (small town or metro city) in ways that Obama cannot simply because of his elitist comments.
Get off of your high horse, come down to reality. Most colleges in America have become liberal left wing indoctrination compounds. Impressionable youth attend for an education but quickly find that, in order to succeed, they need to take on the liberal opinion of their professors.
Prediction: More and more Americans will come to see the fraud that Obama is and will embrace Palin as someone they can identify with.
Sadly, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC will do everything in their power to smear Palin. That is the reality we live with.
September 4th, 2008 at 5:17 pmdbadass Says:
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Tracy_5
Who do you think should represent workers as to safe working conditions, wages, hours, etc?
Why, the multi-national corporations, of course. Then we will have liberty and freedom.
September 4th, 2008 at 5:17 pmHi Tim43:
September 4th, 2008 at 5:32 pmWhy have the colleges become what you think they are? How about some deeper thinking. Is the invisible hand at work again and the consumer demands liberal colleges and media? Think man think? What causes all these weird things you believe to be? There must be some reasons right? Just tell us what these causal factors are...
Tim says: don't ask Palin any questions waaaahh smear waaaaah elite waaaaaah. I love Fox. waaaah fraud.
You want to see fraud. Check out Palin's record of high cost to government, low taxes to corps and high taxes to middle class. Oh yeah, the earth is 6000 years old. You can't handle the truth.
September 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pmI sure as hell can't identify with a dorsal fin shaped hair wearing, book banning, creation in science rather than humanities, hippie kid naming, lying about the Bridge to Nowhere weird stepfordy gal but to each there own.
September 4th, 2008 at 5:34 pm"Who do you think should represent workers as to safe working conditions, wages, hours, etc?"
Unions and the representatives of the individual workers in their district.
September 4th, 2008 at 6:12 pm"Tracy, I haven’t seen your photo and I know you’re the ugliest piece of shit alive."
Since you haven't how do you know?
"Why would you call the greed of figurehead executives labor, and why do you think employees, those who do the real work, shouldn’t do whatever it takes to be assured they will have those fruits — including undercutting the tactics of greedy employers who attempt to deny them what they’re owed?"
Where are you imbeciles getting the idea that I don't think that unions are good and in many cases necessary to get a good wage for their labor? All I have ever said is that individual workers should not be forced to join a union in order to work in a particular trade. That's it. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?
September 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pm"I have found nothing abusive or offensive about the posts of Tracy_5 or Tim43"
Oh I have slipped one in there for brainless and Lil Orphan Anne....they had it comming though.
September 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pm#86
"...but your assertation that that unions dictate business is off the chart wrong."
Most businesses can't move their production overseas like a large corporation like Freightliner. Speaking from experience in the building industry I have seen many instances where if you wanted to get mansonry or steel work done in Missouri the contractors had no choice but to hire union labor.
September 4th, 2008 at 6:55 pmThis is exactly the type of post that gets on the John Gibson show and makes our blog look bad.
"Our blog?"
That's rich.
September 4th, 2008 at 8:11 pmThis is exactly the type of post that gets on the John Gibson show and makes our blog look bad.
Maybe Gibson could choose some choice posts from right wing blogs. Oh wait, that would be left wing media that would do that. LOL
September 4th, 2008 at 8:26 pmTracy__5 Says:
Can anyone tell me why every state doesn’t have right to work laws? Seems like those state who don’t have these laws are in engaging in pretty basic discrimination.
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No they are NOT if you dont WANT a union job dont get one. The closed shop is a necessary way to run a union so the greedy no integrity people wont take a free lunch getting all the BENFITS of being a union member without paying dues and doing thier part. I by the way am a union member in a closed shop IN a right-to-work-for-peanuts State. Look at the right to work states and you will see their median income is substantially less than states that didnt sell their people out so shamelessly
September 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pmTracy__5 Says:
Your post is BONE IGNORANT.
“Neither Todd nor Sarah Palin have been elected to speak for the USW union, especially when they are attempting to use the union for political gain”
The Obama campaign is using unions for political gain and the unions are using union funds to support a him and defeat McCain.
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All of which is in the Unions best interest. McCain is my Senator I know his policy stances and he is very anti labor.
“…you cannot understand the idea that unions are democracies.”
“If they continue this activity, his membership should be revoked, as he is working against the interests of the majority of union members.”
So there is no representation for those who don’t believe in the offical positions of the union? Sounds like a government attempting to stiffle free speech by putting the clamps down on those who don’t agree with the majority. Sound like right to work laws need to be passed in those states who basically are saying that the unions as the ones who determine who can work in a particular trade. That is the most unAmerican I have ever heard of.
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My goodness you say the stupidest things. You really have no concept how democracies work do you? I am a US citizen but I cant represent the US to foriegn countries as it is illegal to do so. If he WANTS to represent the Union all he has to do is win an election. If he THINKS his political stance can garner majority support he can put it up for vote. In fact the Steelworkers are a union where the rank and file VOTE for who is president so he can run for that position he can also say whatever he WANTS as a citizen what he CANNOT do and what isnt reasonable FOR him to do is pretend he represents a union where he HAS NOT earned the right to represent it democratically. This is really a very simple proposition. It shouldnt be that hard for you to understand. My sister Union the BLE endorsed Raygun the first time because their membership wanted it. The second time he ran the membership regained their sanity.
September 4th, 2008 at 9:45 pmdbadass Says:
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Hi Tim43:
Why have the colleges become what you think they are? How about some deeper thinking.
Well that is one way to look at it dbadass. However, another side of the argument leads me to a comclusion that liberal professors assume an indoctrinated utopian view of the world after being institutionalized and immersed in theory detached from reality. "MANY", not all, professors have never held jobs outside of the college and never experience real work in the real world. To make matters worse, professors are given tenure, which essentially gives them immunity from scrutiny and firing. Tenure is not a real world luxury that the average American enjoys. In short, while professors heads may be stuck in books all day, that does not equate to intelligence nor real world experience. Book knowledge and theory can be parroted by anyone with the time to read. Don't get me wrong, there are many great professors. However, the greatest professors will NEVER give you a hint of whether they are liberal or conservative. Sadly, in my experience, that was/is not the norm
Is the invisible hand at work again and the consumer demands liberal colleges and media? Think man think? What causes all these weird things you believe to be? There must be some reasons right? Just tell us what these causal factors are…
The invisible hand is not invisible at all. In our society, a degree will earn you more money on average than no degree. Most folks understand this and work to get degrees, though some go to party on the parents tab. The great thing about this country is that you can succeed without a degree, BUT, a degree will never hurt.
The majority of folks start college as impressionable youth hungry to learn. Realizing, as I did, that to succeed in most college courses, one needs to parrot the liberal musings of the majority of professors. Takes a few years shake the indoctrination, but after one does, they can experience true freedom and understanding.
Heh, can't wait to see the liberal hatred spewed out after that comment :-)
September 4th, 2008 at 9:47 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Join the fricking union and vote the union bosses out if you don’t like them. IT’S CALLED DEMOCRACY YOU THICK SKULLED IDIOT!”
A democracy is NOT suppose to trample on the rights of those in the minority. I guess that is why you don’t seem to realize that this country is a Republic where the rights of the minority are protected. Sound like you are the idiot.
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You clearly PROVE you are an idiot. Any member of any union can support whatever candidate they want MORON. What they CANT do is pretend they are speaking FOR the union while undercutting them. If they WANT to represent the union they need to win an election to do so. Just how ignorant are you anyway?
September 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pmTracy
So you think it’s OK for the unions to tell someone that if you don’t support the union thru membership dues and keeping you mouth shut about politics then you can’t work in a particular trade?
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The ABJECT STUPIDITY of this statement is awe inspiring. Yeah if you arent willing to pay union dues and just want a free lunch getting all the BENIFITS of being in a union without paying your fair share you bet its ok to tell them to take a hike. They also dont have to keep their mouth shut about politics they just cant pretend to REPRESENT THE UNION WHEN THEY HAVENT EARNED THAT RIGHT THROUGH AN ELECTION. You are SO ignorant. This is simple enough for any child to understand it
September 4th, 2008 at 10:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
No, I think that unions shouldn’t have the right to dictate who works and who shouldn’t. It’s that simple.
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Another unbelievably STUPID statement. Unions dont hire people, companies hire. Once they are hired if they WANT that union job and those union benifits, most likely they want them BECAUSE they are good jobs which the union MADE THEM, they need to join and support the union. If all they want is a free lunch on everyone who IS supporting the union that MADE it a good job then they can go to hell.
September 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
I just subscribe to individual rigthts and unions, for all of their good, have become a stifle on individual liberty.
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You are a liar and a fool with no clue what you are talking about just spewing talking points like a good hiveminder should. Your ignornace is an embarassment to homo sapiens everywhere
September 4th, 2008 at 10:19 pmTracy__5 Says:
“And if workers “of the same trade” want to assemble to have a fair deal with employers, it’s their right.”
Absolutely, but if an individual doesn’t want to join the union in a particular trade, for whatever reason, the union shouldn’t have the right to tell individuals “you can’t work here”.
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My GOD you are stupid. By that logic if I dont want to PAY for my electricity then the electric company should have no right to say they wont give it to me. If you WANT the benifits of a union job you need to PAY union dues. Wanting a free lunch on those who WILL pay the cost is the same as YOU wanting a free luch by not paying your electricity bill
September 4th, 2008 at 10:21 pmTracy__5 Says:
No, I think that unions shouldn’t have the right to dictate who works and who shouldn’t. It’s that simple.
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That is patently ignorant. UNIONS DONT HIRE. Companies hire. THEY decide who works if you want the BENFITS of having that union job you pay the dues its THAT simple just like if you want the benifits of having electricity you PAY FOR IT.
September 4th, 2008 at 10:24 pmTim43 Says:
The majority of folks start college as impressionable youth hungry to learn. Realizing, as I did, that to succeed in most college courses, one needs to parrot the liberal musings of the majority of professors. Takes a few years shake the indoctrination, but after one does, they can experience true freedom and understanding.
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Hatred? You are sad and pathetic, more an object of pity than anything else. You parrot the rightwing hivemind mantra Liberal boogeymen here and over there and I am sure under your bed. Funny that many of my teachers were rightwing to the CORE in a democratic area. The college philosophy professor would have made Pat Bucchanon blush. Here is a clue you desperately need. Despite your hivemind conditioning things dont become true because you idiots parrot them endlessly.
September 4th, 2008 at 10:28 pmHeh, can’t wait to see the liberal hatred spewed out after that comment :-)
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Complaining about unions preventing individuals from working? Oh well…
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Another mind bogglinging ignorant statement. A core principle for any union is to have more workers working. Any individual the company hires that is willing to pay their fair share to keep the job a good union job is welcome. What you want is to DESTROY unions by allowing the companies to hire a bunch of free lunch conservatives that take all the benefits without contributing till the union becomes obsolete. The strength of a union isnt the individual. It is what we can accomplish together that we couldnt accompish individually. THAT is what gripes free lunch conservatives like you who actually worship money. ANYTHING you can do to help the bussiness and the sacred right of owners to make their sacred money and more and more of it is all you care about property is more important than people to you. The right of a bussiness owner to maximize his profits at the expense of his workers is a great idea to you and you DESPISE workers getting together to maximize THEIR power.
September 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pmTim43:
You still haven't offered any explaination for why liberal thought dominates ed. You continue to just want to say that it is so but not offer any reason why this might be. What gives.
Hey putin you got any ideas about this?
September 5th, 2008 at 12:24 amdbadass Says:
Tim43:
You still haven’t offered any explaination for why liberal thought dominates ed. You continue to just want to say that it is so but not offer any reason why this might be. What gives.
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Of course not his hivemind masters havent told him what to believe about that yet. Maybe Rush will cover it tomorrow. You will NEVER get an original thought from a Limborg moron like Timeh
September 5th, 2008 at 5:33 amdbadass Says:
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Tim43:
You still haven’t offered any explaination for why liberal thought dominates ed. You continue to just want to say that it is so but not offer any reason why this might be. What gives.
Hey putin you got any ideas about this?
Yes I did. You failed to read deeply into my points. I thought that you were a deep thinker???
The liberal thought that pervades universities comes from complacency. Let me rephrase it for you. Many tenured professors develop a utopian view of the world that is completely detached from the real world that every day Americans live and experience. Many develop a utopian view of the world because they work in an institution with othertenured individuals who have no need to compete. Remember, they are tenured, there is no incentive to compete but much room for complacency.
Ever work in a union dbadass? If so, did you ever wonder why the worst employees got to keep their jobs? Same experience pervades our universities.
Becaues of this utopian experience, many temured professors come to believe in theories like Socialism and Marxism, which in theory sound great to the working masses. Socialists use buzzwords like "equality and fairness" to push socialism. There is no competition in Socialism and Marxism. No incentive to excel or innovate because no matter what you do, you will be taken care of by big government. Sounds like our universities today.
While these theories sound great to the masses, they always lead to big bureaucratic out-of-control government. In the worse cases socialism leads to Marxism. Marxism has NEVER EVER worked in practice. Marxism always leads a totalitarian tyranny. Just ask a Russian, if you know one. North Koreans can also fill you in on the details. Soon Venezualians will be able to inform us of the brutality of communism. Your Liberal professors however will brush over the damages of Socialism or Marxism.
By the way... Obama had a communist mentor. His name was Frank Marshal Davis. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/080817
Need me to explain any more for you dbadass??? How about you EugeneDebs???
September 5th, 2008 at 12:11 pmI don't recall claiming to be a deep thinker. My mentor has a phd from Dartmouth. He chairs his department at his university. He also is a 4th generation house painter who continues the tradition. I think you may be believing in stereotypes which may not exist
September 5th, 2008 at 12:43 pmoops sorry that should have been third.
September 5th, 2008 at 1:05 pmTim43 Says:
Ever work in a union dbadass? If so, did you ever wonder why the worst employees got to keep their jobs? Same experience pervades our universities.
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YOU are a liar and a fool. You have done nothing but strung together all the old hivemind talking points you have been programmed with and their ignorance is a stench. I have worked for a union for more than thirty years and the employees that screw up get FIRED. Just because you ignorantly say something it doesnt magically become true and just because college professors with more intelligence in their little fingers than you will ever have disagree with you doesnt mean they are complacent or even wrong. YOU are a moron and never know what you are talking about.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmSure I have worked while belonging to a union and I still do and thank god since the tax system in my state is so archaic that civil servants like myself would long since have thrown in the towel and went to the private sector. I hold three university degrees from three different institutions and with one exception I never had a prof who would fit the imagined model you have created and then suggested is the norm. Incidently I am in ed and I too like my mentor hold a second job. Mine is in a warehouse with dropouts, convicts and the working poor whose lack of education ensures that they will stay there. So much for your fantasy of our ivory towers and lack of understanding of your "real world"
by the way Tim43 ever talk to all those unhappy socialists in the Scandanavian nations?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmTim43 Says:
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You couldnt explain RAIN to me you ignorant condescending piece of garbage. If we blame all the bad things about the Soviet Union on communism I guess we need to blame all the bad things about Nazi Germany on capitalism.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:07 amThe Incas were basically a monarchial communism because communims is an ECONOMY YOU MORON not a government. MAN you are so ignorant its pathetic. YOu dont know a single things some righwting screechmonkey didnt tell you. In a part of the world where THOUSANDS are starving right now NO ONE in the Inca empire went hungry or without clothing or shelter and according to the Spaniards theft was unknown among them. I dont CARE about communism OR socialism. Not a single teacher I have EVER HAD was a communits NOR a socialist. That is just what you have been TOLD to believe by WHOREOWITZ and the other screechmonkeys that do your thinking for you. You are ignorant. I am in a union and you obviously dont know one single thing about them except the LIES you have been told. I have to appologize to morons everywhere for lumping them in with someone as incredibly stupid as you. You would have to gain a couple of dozen IQ points to qualify for the marching moron society