For The Fifth Time, McCain Campaign Illegally Uses Artists’ Copyrighted Music
For The Fifth Time, McCain Campaign Illegally Uses Artists’ Copyrighted Music
Last night at the conclusion of the GOP convention, the Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) campaign blasted the song “Barracuda” by Heart. The tune is meant to be a theme song for Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK), whose high school nickname was reportedly “Sarah Barracuda.” Watch a clip of Republicans rocking out to the song:
The problem is that the McCain campaign never obtained legal permission to use the song. Heart’s representative issued a statement:
The Republican campaign did not ask for permission to use the song, nor would they have been granted that permission. We have asked the Republican campaign publicly not to use our music. We hope our wishes will be honored.
Last month, McCain released his technology policy, in which he promised to “protect the creative industries from piracy.” Yet as ThinkProgress has reported previously, McCain has infringed on artists’ copyrights on at least four other occasions:
- In August, singer Jackson Browne sued the McCain campaign and the Ohio Republican Party for copyright infringement because his song “Running on Empty” was used in an ad by the state party. Browne’s lawyers said that “McCain and his campaign were well aware of” this fact.
– In August, the McCain campaign re-cut a web ad after comedian Mike Myers’s publicist complained about the use of footage of Myers and fellow Saturday Night Live alum Dana Carvey’s “Wayne’s World” characters.
– In July, the McCain campaign had to pull and re-cut a web ad after Frankie Valli’s record label, the Warner Music Group, asserted its copyright claims over the use of the song “Can’t Take My Eyes Off Of You.”
– Earlier this year, the copyright owners for the “Rocky” theme song “telephoned the McCain campaign to politely complain it was being used without permission.”
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McCain to Heart :"Go to hell, I would rather lose the presidency than to lose Sarah".
September 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pmThat's stealing isn't it?
So much for moral values. Phut the wuck did you expect?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:36 pmSo I guess coining
September 5th, 2008 at 2:37 pm"Sarahcudda" and demanding royalties would make me rich?
Republican values - take anything not nailed down and claim you have the right to do so!
September 5th, 2008 at 2:39 pmRepugs/McDepends - The Napster (Original version) of the Presidential Campaign Trail.
Guess ethics is one of many planks missing from their morally wobbly platform.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pmWhile it's hypocritical of him, I think the more progressive stance on the issue is abolishing so-called "intellectual property" in the sense that we currently conceive of it.
Art should not be viewed as a commercial product, nor should someone own its "rights." Art and ideas are for humanity to use and re-interpret. "Intellectual property" should become public domain a very short time after initial release (maybe the original seven years specified by the Constitution), this way society can adopt cultural artifacts organically.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pmAny marketing firm worth its salt KNOWS about copyright law and the importance of gaining permission to use anything that isn't public domain. Furthermore, any professional marketing firm knows how to get such permission -- it's not difficult to go through the steps. And it's unlikely that an organization the size of the McCain campaign and/or the national Republican Party would be having money issues about this.
If this happened once, it could possibly be chalked up to a communication or administrative error. But when it happens all the time, it means the marketing firm is flagrantly violating the law with the knowledge they are doing so. And if money isn't the issue, it must be that for most of these songs, they couldn't get permission no matter how hard they begged (kind of says something about their popularity, doesn't it?).
Just once, I wish the artists and holders of these copyrights would quit with the polite "cease and desist" requests and start suing their a$$es.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pmAs a musician, I'm typically all about the most people hearing my stuff as possible, but I this is exactly where I would draw the line. I would be more than a little vocal if the RNC tried to pull this with my art and it would have absolutely nothing to do with the money, but everything to do with principle. They, and what they represent, is a major reason so much music and art is created and to see it co-opted by the "enemy" is simply out of the question.
Worst.Campaign.Ever.
It's too scary to imagine what they would (continue to) do to our Country. Everything seems so blatantly short-sighted like attacking the media and Palin, in general, it's just another win-at-all-cost scenario. It's like they haven't even considered the long-term effects of demonizing the media in regards what it would then be like if they somehow actually won the election.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pmWhy didn't they just get Toby Keith to score the entire convention?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pmmark_scism,
Spoken like a true Repug; steal what you can, say "it was 'accidental'", never apologize or pay the fees and go do it again.
I am sure you speak as a non-artist or developer of anything original.
How pathetic.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pmWhy is that Republicans always lie, cheat, steal and are hypocrites?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pmGood for Heart, I say. Barracuda is a frickin' KILLER song, much too awesome to be used by Failin' Palin.
And without permission, no less. These people are supposed to be anti-piracy? IOKIYAR, I suppose.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:47 pmDon't forget that McCain also used a Van Halen song illegally:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/heart-van-halen-orleans-j_n_124264.html
I wonder if the McCainers actually listened to the song before making it Sarah's theme. The lyrics seem rather ironically accurate:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Don't be so uppity, mark_cism
September 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pmDammit! When are you librul whiners ever going to learn - the rules are for EVERYONE ELSE to obey and not the Republicans!
Haven't you been paying attention to their high-horse moral examples these past eight years?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pmMcCain Campaign Officials:
September 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm"Copyright Laws? It's just a goddamn piece of paper"!
Last month, McCain released his technology policy, in which he promised to “protect the creative industries from piracy.”
But he's not a pirate! He's a maverick and a POW (dontchaknow) so therein lies the problem.
Lying, cheating (remember Saddleback?), stealing, whatever it takes, right Maverick?
PEACE
September 5th, 2008 at 2:53 pmYou have to wonder whether this is intentional or incompetence by McCain's campaign and the RNC. The creative class doesn't produce a lot of Republicans. Perhaps the Rs figure they can steal the tune a few times before they get caught and the masses never read these stories about the artist protests. Not sure whose stuff they could get permission to use. Pat Boone is a good Republican but doesn't exactly get the crowd excited. Maybe Brittney Spears? Personally I think "Oops, I Did It Again" would be a perfect theme song for this campaign.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 pmmark_scism Says:
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While it’s hypocritical of him, I think the more progressive stance on the issue is abolishing so-called “intellectual property” in the sense that we currently conceive of it.
Art should not be viewed as a commercial product, nor should someone own its “rights.” Art and ideas are for humanity to use and re-interpret. “Intellectual property” should become public domain a very short time after initial release (maybe the original seven years specified by the Constitution), this way society can adopt cultural artifacts organically.
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A reasonable argument to make. One that would require a change in the law. UNTIL THAT TIME McCain should follow the law at this point, the law is what it is, McCain is stealing, AND as Jackson Browne pointed out trying a backdoor attempt at getting endorsements when he has a better chace of ice skating in hell then ever actually GETTING them
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Just once, I wish the artists and holders of these copyrights would quit with the polite “cease and desist” requests and start suing their a$$es.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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The two aren't always the same. The copyright holders are often not the artists, but the record companies who are quite eager to ensure that the next president appoints an FCC chair friendly to their needs, or whose FTC won't aggressively pursue payola scandals, or who'll sign legislation granting them even tighter control over their intellectual property.
That's why they're so polite about it.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:54 pmdrago Says: "Why is that Republicans always lie, cheat, steal and are hypocrites?"
Because they are all lying, cheating, stealing, hypocritical Republicans. An ass must do what an ass must do.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pmpaleolib Says:
You have to wonder whether this is intentional or incompetence by McCain’s campaign and the RNC
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Oh I dont have to wonder its intentional. Jackson Browne has been an outspoken liberal since the sixties. He is one of the guests on the Nation magazine cruise this year. McCain had a better chance of winning the Nobel prize for gumchewing with his ASS than getting permission to use one of Jacksons songs for his campaign commercial
September 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pmWhat is the penalty for the McCain camp having done this? Do they get a fine? Do they owe royalties? Do they just get enjoined from doing it again?
September 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pmmark_scism Says:
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While it’s hypocritical of him, I think the more progressive stance on the issue is abolishing so-called “intellectual property” in the sense that we currently conceive of it.
Art should not be viewed as a commercial product, nor should someone own its “rights.” Art and ideas are for humanity to use and re-interpret. “Intellectual property” should become public domain a very short time after initial release (maybe the original seven years specified by the Constitution), this way society can adopt cultural artifacts organically.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Why should my or anyone's ability be used to promote things that we are vehemently opposed to ?
September 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
misshusseinmolly Says:
Just once, I wish the artists and holders of these copyrights would quit with the polite “cease and desist” requests and start suing their a$$es.
September 5th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
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The two aren’t always the same. The copyright holders are often not the artists, but the record companies who are quite eager to ensure that the next president appoints an FCC chair friendly to their needs, or whose FTC won’t aggressively pursue payola scandals, or who’ll sign legislation granting them even tighter control over their intellectual property.
That’s why they’re so polite about it.
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Well Jackson Browne DOES own his music and he ISNT being polite and he DID file a lawsuit
September 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm.
WHERE'S THE FINES?
If I D/L pirated songs onto my Ipod and get caught I have to pay.
WHY IS McBUSH/FALIN'08 NOT PAYING?
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September 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pmPersonally, I think the best musical line McStain/Palin could use is from the great Warren Zevon:
"Send lawyers, guns and money. The sh*it has hit the fan."
PEACE
September 5th, 2008 at 3:02 pmmark_scism Says:
Until the laws have been changed, he shouldn't do it.
Don't backpedal for the McCain campaign and their continued flaunting of copyright laws they claim to strive to protect. Seriously, it's weak sauce.
Where is backup on this one? We need someone to rationalize away this latest (repeated) folly of the McLame campaign.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pmSaracudda & McDoughboy could care less about copyright infringements. They're 'above it all' now.
Obama had Earth Wind & Fire LIVE.
McDoughboy & Saracudda had to pirate a canned track.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Just once, I wish the artists and holders of these copyrights would quit with the polite “cease and desist” requests and start suing their a$$es.
I think $85 million sounds about right. Isn't that the amount that We The People are spending to publicly fund the McStain campaign?
PEACE
September 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pmspencers mom Says:
Personally, I think the best musical line McStain/Palin could use is from the great Warren Zevon:
“Send lawyers, guns and money. The sh*it has hit the fan.”
Well played, Mom!
September 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pmIt may well be incomptence (read stupidity). They used a photo of the Walter Reed Junior High School last night instead of the Walter Reed Hospital. (No that big building mcambien was standing in front of was not one of his lost houses.)
September 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pmI think Jackson Browne should let them use "Running on Empty", as it's the theme of the Pailin/McCain campaign.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pmWouldn't it be funny if all those artists and the USW union got together and put in a class-action suit against McCain and his campaign? Also, all those individuals that have been caught illegally downloading music and had to pay fines for copyright infringement, they go back to court and demand a refund on their fines?
September 5th, 2008 at 3:09 pmEugeneDebs
I am inclined to agree that the theft is intentional. Don't assume however that McCain or his henchmen know the politics of their targets, especially since they pretty clearly don't listen to anything but the chorus. As toasterhead correctly noted, the lyrics of Barracuda do not complement the song's subject. The precedent of Ronnie Raygun's attempted appropriation of Born in the USA also demonstrates how incredibly thick these people can be.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pmI think Jackson Browne should let them use “Running on Empty
Nosirreee !!!
He's on record he's a blue-blooded Democrat and they don't have enough money to purchase the right.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:11 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Well Jackson Browne DOES own his music and he ISNT being polite and he DID file a lawsuit
September 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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Exactly. Browne is one of the smart ones who kept his rights.
Whereas, say, SONY BMG Music Entertainment Chairman Andrew Lack is probably hedging his bets. Although he didn't contribute to the McCain campaign, he's probably not inclined to make a stink about it.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pmYou folks just don't get it. Presumptive Kings do whatever they wish. No permission, no problem. No clearance, no problem. No ethics, no problem. /snarkoff
September 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pmOTOH, Smokey Robinson may allow Tears of a Clown to enhance their sordid image.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pmIt's funny that the song doesn't really fit except for the title word. Sums up that whole party: once you scratch the surface, nothing really fits.
They should get Ozzy's endorsement. Then they could use, (how's that go?), 'The road to nowhere...leads to me' or maybe even 'War Pigs'.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pmI'm positive that McCartney and Starkey would let them use
I'm a Loser.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:18 pm"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you."
September 5th, 2008 at 3:19 pmpaleolib Says:
You make a good point. Cluelessness seems built into the GOP
September 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pmWhatever!
It's the repub way. They do what they want.
Have you guys seen the "My United States of Whatever" (the Bush mix) video? It's a song by Liam Lynch but this is my favorite version so far (I think this is the one, no speakers where I am).
youtubevid
September 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pmOUCH!
September 5th, 2008 at 3:49 pmI wish the Republican ticket would use the Rocky theme, after paying for the rights to do so.
It's the Rocky entourage ticket, Trainer Mickey and Wife Adrian in her glasses. And they think they have the punch to knock Apollo Greed off K Street? Hardly....
September 5th, 2008 at 3:51 pmMaybe if somebody in the McCain campaign had a legitimate education, as opposed to barely receiving a degree, they would be able to figure these technicalities out.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:53 pmHey, you stoopid GOoPers, it's called stealing.
See Commandment #8: THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pmWatch a clip of Republicans rocking out to the song:
Yuck, I'd rather not thank you very much.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pmAnd the Iraqi people should sue Sarah for calling their country EYE-RACK.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pmSarah Barracuda"?
Why not just call her "Cooter"?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm@ 51, Shayne Says:
And the Iraqi people should sue Sarah for calling their country EYE-RACK.
September 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I am pretty sure that the mispronunciation--the gratuitous mangling--of the name Iraq is a purposeful act by the majority of people who are smart and educated, and traveled enough to know the difference. "Eye-Rack" make my skin crawl, for the pure malice of it..."Eye-Ran", too...
September 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pmtokin librul, I don't think Sarah is smart enough to intentionally mangle the language. It's all she can do to cover up her accent donchaknow.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:09 pmBTW the Obama campaign did "ask" Brooks and Dunn to use their song either, unless someone can present some evidence that they did, but the difference between the short lived has beens like Heart and those like Brooks and Dunn who have around for years...class.
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/08/29/brooks-dunn-comment-on-obamas-use-of-only-in-america/
September 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pmI think the Rev. Billy Lee (Ray) Wirtz has a song out--i've got it on cd somewhere--called "My Shit Doesn't Stink," which strikes me as the appropriate anthem for whole lot of 'em...
September 5th, 2008 at 4:11 pm"I wonder if the McCainers actually listened to the song before making it Sarah’s theme. The lyrics seem rather ironically accurate:"
I also find it rather ironic that very title of the song "Only in America" describes the Democrats putting Obama up for president...considering he is the least qualified U.S. presidential nominee in modern history.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pmBTW the Obama campaign didn't “ask” Brooks and Dunn to use their song either, unless someone can present some evidence that they did, but the difference between the short lived has beens like Heart and those like Brooks and Dunn who have around for years…class.
http://www.rollingstone.com/ rockdaily/ index.php/ 2008/ 08/ 29/ brooks-dunn-comment-on-obamas-use-of-only-in-america/
September 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pmTracy__5 Says:
I think it was mentioned earlier on the thread. Anyone could make the mistake once......mccain, not so much.
How long did it take to dig up that little piece to use for a diversion?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pmTracy__5th,
Heart has been around much longer than Brooks & Dunn...much longer.
Class? That's something you couldn't begin to understand, but Heart had songs on the top 10 in the '70's.
Open mouth, insert foot
September 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pmLet the lawsuits go forth!
September 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pmThis could be fun.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pm'Bad Moon Rising'
'Day Tripper'
'And Your Bird Can Sing'
'Run For Your Life'
'Witchy Woman'
'Lyin' Eyes'
'The Ballet of John and Yoko'
'WAR, What is it Good for?'
'Bertha's Big Bad Beaver'
'Money'
'Running with the Devil'
'Are You Experienced?'
You're entitled to your opinion. It just doesn't carry much weight around here and I might add most of America.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:24 pmIt appears that John McCain has about as much respect for the law as Alberto Gonzales and Scooter Libby. Too bad there is not a three strikes and you're out provision. Maybe he could use "Itsy Bitsy Spider".
September 5th, 2008 at 4:25 pmGOP rule number one reads:
"We're the effing GOP. We do what we want, when we want, and don't bother with the ethical, or legal, ramifications".
September 5th, 2008 at 4:25 pmTracy__5 Says:
I also find it rather ironic that very title of the song “Only in America” describes the Democrats putting Obama up for president…considering he is the least qualified U.S. presidential nominee in modern history
And by what BIZARRE rationale do you believe that Bush was more qualified?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pmRepublicans would say they didn't steal them they "liberated" them.
Good suggestions stratrat and Zimzone. Rumoured possibilities on the internets include Neil Young's "Old Man", Rollins Band's "Liar", and Dennis Leary's "I'm An A$$hole".
Van Halen is mad about the use of their song "Right Now". But what about Sarah (or Bristol) naming their child "Trig Paxson Van Palin"?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:27 pmGOP rule number two:
"We're the effing party of accountability and can not be held accountable, dammit".
September 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmVerbalKint Says:
And by what BIZARRE rationale do you believe that Bush was more qualified?
Dubya lived near Mexico, making him an expert in International Relations.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pmWhere ya been, Tracy Troll? Did Mommy get sick of you and send you to public school?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:32 pm"Heart has been around much longer than Brooks & Dunn…much longer."
I ment actually producing hit songs for a longer period of time. Heart produced their "hits" from about 1975 to 1982, i.e. 7 years. Brooks and Dunn had consistantly produced hit songs since 1991 to the present, i.e. 17 years. In producing hit songs the comparision between these two bands?...there is no comparision.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pmI am still trying to figure out which demographic they were targeting with the whole Sammy Hagar deal...
September 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pm"It just doesn’t carry much weight around here and I might add most of America"
Half is quite a bit according to the polls.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:36 pmTracy,
Why should any of us present the evidence to counter your lack of evidence? You make the assertion AND back it up, but anyway:
“John Rich sent an angry text message to Kix last night, saying why did Kix allow that song to be used? And Kix said ‘I had nothing to do with it — that was their right.’
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/08/only-in-america.html
September 5th, 2008 at 4:37 pmTracy__5 Says:
Who the hell is brooks and dunn. I barely remember them. Heart...that's different...immortal rock and roll.
As for your opinion, here's a little poll that reflects more accuratly what is going on.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pmfor t5
"And by what BIZARRE rationale do you believe that Bush was more qualified"
He was a chief executive for 6 years of a U.S. state that has the 12 largest GDP in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_nominal_GDP
Obama?....I will have to get back to you on that one. It might take a while.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pmTracy__5 Says:
"He was a chief executive for 6 years of a U.S. state that has the 12 largest GDP in the world."
And how did that work out for you?
Do you think that Lincoln was qualified enough to be President?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:45 pmFred,
LOL! I almost posted the same link. nice!
September 5th, 2008 at 4:46 pmTracist, is your party trying its hand as a HR firm for democratic candidates since it can't run on the issues. If so, business isn't doing too well, huh?
Tracy, enjoy voting with your dick this November, it's the first and only time you'll have any use for it.
I laugh when republicans, of all species, gage the qualifications those who are going to replace them big time.
Republicans are one. failed. firm.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:49 pmOkay Tracy_5. I'll play along. Let's go with the premise that a sitting senator is unqualified for the presidency, would it follow that a shortterm nobody governor of a sparsely populated state with no national experience is qualified to be vice president?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:52 pm"You make the assertion AND back it up, but anyway"
"And Kix said ‘I had nothing to do with it — that was their right.’"
So did Brook and Dunn give permission to the Obama campaign for using their song or not? Doesn't sound like Kix actually gave any permission. They basically didn't care that the Obama campaign used it...i.e. classy response.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:52 pmThis site mirrors the other:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Go there. Disregard the states within the margin of error (Barely Dem or Repub) and Obama is ahead 260-165. That is HUGE.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:55 pmCan anyone be sure the campaign secured the rights to that silly "Raisin' McCain" song?
September 5th, 2008 at 4:56 pmdbadass,
September 5th, 2008 at 4:57 pmI might add: vice president behind a 72-year-old with three previous cancers.
"And how did that work out for you?"
From 1995 to 2000, when Bush was governor, was a most properous times here in Texas. Bush did a great job as did Clinton at the national level.
"Do you think that Lincoln was qualified enough to be President?"
Hard to say. The world is quite a bit more complicated these days than back in 1864.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmIf they can write a song for McCain, "Raising McCain", why not rewrite one for his campaign? It's to the tune of "Levon".
McCain
(Sung to the tune of Levon by Elton John & Bernie Taupin)
McCain wears his war wounds like a crown
He calls his savior Jesus
'cause he needs the name
And he attends the conservative church in town
McCain, McCain likes his money
He makes a lot they say
Spend his days counting
In luxury homes by the waterway
He was born a piper to a rank on a Christmas day
When the New York Times said God is dead
Yet another war's begun
Bristol Palin has a son today
And he shall be Levi
And he shall be a good man
And he shall be Levi
In tradition with the family plan
And he shall be Levi
And he shall be a good man
He shall be Levi
Mrs. McCain sells frosty brews in town
Her family business thrives
Jesus pours beers all day
Sits on the bar stool watching them foam
And Jesus, he wants to run the country
Leaving McCain far behind
Take the Christian Capital and go legislating
While McCain, McCain slowly dies
And he shall be Levi
September 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pmAnd he shall be a good man
And he shall be Levi
In tradition with the family plan
And he shall be Levi
And he shall be a good man
He shall be Levi
"Tracy, enjoy voting with your dick this November, it’s the first and only time you’ll have any use for it."
With that classy comment I will be amazed if you find your way to your local precinct to vote much less be allowed in the building.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pmClinton as Gov of Arkansas was voted the best governor in the nation by his fellow govs. Majority voting were Republicans. In the 1992 campaign, he was stilled called unqualified and a communist! They said he would raise EVERYBODY's taxes and explode the deficits. Both false, of course.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmThat show's how you think.....now you should understand why your opinion means little here....
September 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pmSo what do you think Tracy_5? Is Palin sufficiently qualified or not?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pmTracy__5 Says:
"So did Brook and Dunn give permission to the Obama campaign for using their song or not?"
You are asserting that they didn't pay for rights without any evidence to back it up while I presented a quote from the co-writer saying "that was their right.”
"Bush did a great job as did Clinton at the national level."
Don't you think that this supposed "great job" would deserve some type of mention at your Convention?
"The world is quite a bit more complicated these days than back in 1864."
Was Lincoln a successful president, or not?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:12 pm"That show’s how you think…..now you should understand why your opinion means little here…."
Well considering you lie when you quote others...
"From 1995 to 2000, when Bush was governor, was a most properous times here in Texas. Bush did a great job as did Clinton at the national level."
September 5th, 2008 at 5:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
"From 1995 to 2000, when Bush was governor, was a most properous times here in Texas."
How was that pollution in Houston?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:13 pmHard to say. The world is quite a bit more complicated these days than back in 1864.
September 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Precisely the reason republicans are unfit to lead. Thanks for proving our point.
Have that dick ready on Nov. 4th. There's a hot librarian who likes moose burgers on the ticket.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pmTracy__5 Says:
Oh, you were comparing bush's texas admin to Clintons Presidency......that seems fair......not.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm“So what do you think Tracy_5? Is Palin sufficiently qualified or not?”
Maybe.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pmHouston was the most polluted city in the US by the end of W. Not before. Because he made controls voluntary. Students who did not graduate high school increased to 30% under Bush due to NO CHILD'S BEHIND LEFT.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:17 pmI also don't respect you for calling me a liar when it was your 3rd grade post that was misunderstood.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:17 pm“So what do you think Tracy_5? Is Palin sufficiently qualified or not?”
Shouldn't Obama and Biden switch?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pm"I also don’t respect you for calling me a liar when it was your 3rd grade post that was misunderstood."
Misunderstood? You didn't even get the quote right.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmTracy__5 Says:
Shouldn’t Obama and Biden switch?
Not big on counting people's votes, are you?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pm"Oh, you were comparing bush’s texas admin to Clintons Presidency"
I wasn't comparing them I was stating that both did decent jobs in their respective positions.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:21 pmTrace,
September 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pmALL states did better under Clinton than Bush I or II.
No I don't think so. So do you wanna answer the question now?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pm"You are asserting that they didn’t pay for rights without any evidence to back it up while I presented a quote from the co-writer saying “that was their right.”"
I was asking for some evidence that Kix actually gave permission and your quote doesn't provide that evidence.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pmSorry I sort of missed the incredible weak dodge which is "maybe". So you are confident that Mr Obama is not qualified but as to Ms Palin the best you can muster is a maybe?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pm"Not big on counting people’s votes, are you?"
Absolutely. BTW how does that relate to the fact that the more qualified candidates should be at top of the two party tickets?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm"Trace,
ALL states did better under Clinton than Bush I or II."
I agree!
September 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm"No I don’t think so."
Why? Biden is far more qualified and experienced.
"So do you wanna answer the question now?"
I said "maybe".
September 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pm"So you are confident that Mr Obama is not qualified but as to Ms Palin the best you can muster is a maybe?"
Well unless you can justify, based on "experience", why Biden shouldn't be at the top of the Democratic ticket my answer is more that sufficient.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pmWith that classy comment I will be amazed if you find your way to your local precinct to vote much less be allowed in the building.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
My voting spot is at the public library. That alone must keep a lot of republicans home in my district -- they'll skip a vote before they glance at a rack of books. You neanderthals need to have a different rack in mind, since you can't vote on the issues.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pmt5, did you check out the poll that doesn't belong to big business...
Obama 71% / mccain 28% to win.....heh.
Do your own homework.. we didn't come here to prove anything to you. You will come up with the facts to support your opinion even if you have to use faux news as a source.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pmKeith Says: “Not big on counting people’s votes, are you?”
Trace says: Absolutely. BTW how does that relate to the fact that the more qualified candidates should be at top of the two party tickets?
THE WAY IT WORKS IS: THE PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES IN THE PRIMARIES GETS TO BE THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. THAT IS WHY OBAMA IS AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? IF NOT TELL ME AND I WILL TRY TO SIMPLIFY MORE.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:33 pmHere is a litany of mccains experience.
I run on a platform of integrity despite my role as one of the Keating Five.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pmI run against the special interests despite the number of lobbyists on my campaign payroll.
I call my running mate a reformer despite her record of soliciting earmarks.
I promise bipartisan government despite a convention featuring nonstop attacks by nearly every prior speaker.
I promise change despite literally embracing the failed policies of the incumbent Republican.
And did I mention I was a POW for five and a half years?
You are correct that Mr Biden is highly qualified. Still Mr Obama presented his case and secured the votes of the people. He has faced the onslaught of a campaign and emerged the winner based on the system of the nation I trust you feel is the greatest.
Now am I do think that you feel qualified to judge the youth and "experience" of Mr Obama but incapable of doing the same when Ms Palin is the topic? If you will give her a "maybe" why not offer Mr. Obama your same confident "maybe"? Is there more than meets the eye? Is it possible that your need for ideology outweighs your need for logic?
September 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pmlet's make "do" "to"
September 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pmtoo dbadass......
September 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pmJust to offer my $.02. Both McSpin and his Buy-bull Bimbo are unfit on intellectual and ethical grounds. They have little to recommend them in these areas. Politics and experience need not even enter the picture.
Every time I learn a new thing, about either one, I discover another "deal breaker". Do I have some reservations about Sen. Obama? Yep. But, he would have to get caught selling crack to infants before he could match the GOP's candidates in "character issues".
September 5th, 2008 at 5:44 pmWell, this would explain why they used the picture of the Walter Reed Middle School instead of the Walter Reed Army Hospital (outside of the fact that the Walter Reed Army Hospital has decrepit buildings): They couldn't get permission to use the WRAH pictures, so they used the middle school instead....
Cheers.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pmThanks Fred.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pmAnother for the Oops! file:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94332546
September 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pmNo prob...
September 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pmI'm pullin for ya, we're all in this together.
"THE WAY IT WORKS IS: THE PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES IN THE PRIMARIES GETS TO BE THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE."
I guess a proven record wasn't really that important with those who voted in Obama. Star power was!
September 5th, 2008 at 5:51 pm"Obama 71% / mccain 28% to win…..heh."
Link?
"Do your own homework"
I did. There is no evidence.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:53 pmTracy__5 Says:
I'm done with 5, flagging and moving on. He has nothing.
Toasterhead, the Iraq and Afgan vets give mccain a D for his votes regarding vets, you would think that mccain would avoid this subject since he has such a terrible record on it.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:54 pmNow you're just lying. See link above. I, unlike you, can prove what I say.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:56 pm"Is it possible that your need for ideology outweighs your need for logic?"
Like I said as soon as you present some logic based on the candidate's experience of why Biden shouldn't be at the top of the ticket, my "maybe" answer is sufficient...for you at least.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:58 pm"But, he would have to get caught selling crack to infants before he could match the GOP’s candidates in “character issues”."
His abject lie about not being in the pew when his racist pastor spoke hate for 20 years, doesn't speak to Obama's lack of character?
September 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pmThis has grown boring. Tracy_5 would ask us to believe that a sitting senator lacks a sufficient "proven record" but is solidly okay with a "maybe" in place of anything resembling his desired proven record when it comes to Ms Palin and we are apparantly suppose to ignore this weird dicotomy because Tracy_5 wants us to. Whatever...
September 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pm"Now you’re just lying. See link above. I, unlike you, can prove what I say"
That isn't proof.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:03 pm"I’m done with 5, flagging and moving on."
I thought you were moving on?
September 5th, 2008 at 6:05 pmWell if we are so concerned about Obama's pastor maybe we should be asking more about those ant-American signed confessionals. Oh yes, I forgot torture only works when you are doing it to others. When it is your guy, the information is bogus and only the result of the torture
September 5th, 2008 at 6:07 pm"...we are apparantly suppose to ignore this weird dicotomy because Tracy_5 wants us to."
Weird? I say "maybe" for a vice presidential candidate with a shallow record and you give an emphatic "yes" for a presidiential candidate with an even shallower record? Now that's weird.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:10 pmShow me the emphatic yes. In fact show us all where I have ever endorsed anyone. You are easily played.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:13 pmWhile we are at it might you also be so kind as to show us how Ms. Palin's weak record is stronger than Mr. Obama's. Saying things does not make them any sort of reality. Make your case. Don't just claim things
September 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pmTake Care Tracy_5. I have to run out for a bit to pick up some crawfish meats and a couple of pounds of mussels. I'll catch up with you in an hour or so.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pmbest-
Ding, ding, ding.... Tracey_5 achieved Sasquatch Mayor level in the McCain/Palin "frequent lyer" program.
Your fish oil soaked flannel shirt should arrive in week or so. It's the aroma of the campaign.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:24 pm"....maybe we should be asking more about those ant-American signed confessionals"
Well considering Obama was not under ANY duress when he made the multiple conscious decisions to sit in the pews during those 20 years your comparision isn't even close. Maybe pressure from his peers? At least Oprah had the good judgement and was her own woman to leave that church after getting tired of Wright's hateful sermons.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/obamaoprah.html
September 5th, 2008 at 6:30 pm"Show me the emphatic yes."
I asked don't you think that Biden should be at the top of the ticket even in the light of Obama's weak experience and you said...
"No I don’t think so."
September 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
September 5th, 2008 at 6:36 pmSee. There's the fundamental disconnect in the Reichwhiner brain. I object to things that McSpin and Palin have dne and said, themselves, on the record. And the stupid troll tries to equate that with something that someone Sen. Obama knows said.
And, for the record, I watched every bit of video available on Youtube when the Rev. Wright first became a controversy. Some of the things he has said are wacky but, calling them racist or anti-American, is pure bull.
And holding anyone responsible for what a preacher says is bogus unless they actually call for hateful things like: bombing countries that haven't done us any harm, banning science from public schools or, seceding from the union. My opinion is that in order for one to devote their lives to God is borderline certifiable. I expect them to say idiotic things.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:37 pmTracy__5 Says:
BTW the Obama campaign did “ask” Brooks and Dunn to use their song either, unless someone can present some evidence that they did, but the difference between the short lived has beens like Heart and those like Brooks and Dunn who have around for years…class.
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Short lived has beens like Heart? Man you really do live in your own little delusional world dont you? Heart was a huge band throughout the 70s made a major comback in 85 and did well through the 90s THEY SOLD MORE THAN THIRTY MILLION ALBUMS YOU INSUFFERABLE MORON. By the way I didnt see Brooks&Dunn claim that Obama used their music without permission only that they were suprised at HOW it was used. I get that logic is a foriegn langauge to you wingnuts but if YOU make the claim it is up to YOU to back it up it is blanket stupidity to make a claim then demand that others prove you wrong.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:39 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I wonder if the McCainers actually listened to the song before making it Sarah’s theme. The lyrics seem rather ironically accurate:”
I also find it rather ironic that very title of the song “Only in America” describes the Democrats putting Obama up for president…considering he is the least qualified U.S. presidential nominee in modern history.
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He has more experience than Lincoln did and he was perhaps our greatest president. Then again what can I expect from one of the most ignorant posters in modern history
September 5th, 2008 at 6:41 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Heart has been around much longer than Brooks & Dunn…much longer.”
I ment actually producing hit songs for a longer period of time. Heart produced their “hits” from about 1975 to 1982, i.e. 7 years. Brooks and Dunn had consistantly produced hit songs since 1991 to the present, i.e. 17 years. In producing hit songs the comparision between these two bands?…there is no comparision.
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My GOD you are bone ignorant. Brooks and Dunn have sold just over 20 million albums Heart has sold more than THIRTY MILLION ALBUMS. Just because YOU are stupid doesnt mean YOUR take is what is important
September 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pmTracy__5 Says:
“And how did that work out for you?”
From 1995 to 2000, when Bush was governor, was a most properous times here in Texas. Bush did a great job as did Clinton at the national level.
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Yeah you are stupid. That Civil war thing wasnt very complicated was it. What an ignorant tool you are.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pmdbadass Says:
Take Care Tracy_5. I have to run out for a bit to pick up some crawfish meats and a couple of pounds of mussels. I’ll catch up with you in an hour or so.
best-
Oh crap! Can I come over for dinner?
September 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pmTracy__5 Says:
I was asking for some evidence that Kix actually gave permission and your quote doesn’t provide that evidence.
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Sure you are because you are STUPID. When it is YOUR claim it is YOUR responsibility to back up. Do they even OWN their music or does the music company, are they SAYING they didnt give permission? Apparantly you dont know so you MAKE an accusation without KNOWING what you are talking about. You are a bone ignorant hivemind moron Tracy.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:00 pmTracy__5 Says:
“THE WAY IT WORKS IS: THE PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES IN THE PRIMARIES GETS TO BE THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.”
I guess a proven record wasn’t really that important with those who voted in Obama. Star power was!
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Not star power WHAT HE WAS SAYING. Just because you are an ignorant piece of dreck doesnt mean everyone is
September 5th, 2008 at 7:03 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Is it possible that your need for ideology outweighs your need for logic?”
Like I said as soon as you present some logic based on the candidate’s experience of why Biden shouldn’t be at the top of the ticket, my “maybe” answer is sufficient…for you at least.
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You think thats a gotcha dont you? You really are ignorant. Why would who is on the top of the ticket be based solely on who has the more experience? Why do you enjoy humiliating yourself daily by putting your incredible stupidity on display?
September 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pmTracy__5 Says:
“….maybe we should be asking more about those ant-American signed confessionals”
Well considering Obama was not under ANY duress when he made the multiple conscious decisions to sit in the pews during those 20 years your comparision isn’t even close. Maybe pressure from his peers? At least Oprah had the good judgement and was her own woman to leave that church after getting tired of Wright’s hateful sermons.
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Just when I think your ignorance has topped out you show that you just dont know what you beleive until the Limborg has TOLD YOU. Do you have any evidence that Wright spewed hate sermon after sermon for 20 years? I mean you brainwashed rightwingers came up with WHAT three quotes over that 20 year period? THAT constitutes 20 years of hateful sermons? YOU are ignorant and brainwashed you just think what you are told to think that makes you the perfect GOP demographic ignorant and pliable. You are too stupid to be believed
September 5th, 2008 at 7:11 pm"While we are at it might you also be so kind as to show us how Ms. Palin’s weak record is stronger than Mr. Obama’s."
As far as for years of elected public service is concerned from what I saw they both have about 12 years under their belt. Palin however has had actual executive, i.e. "boss" experience whether it be as mayor, governor, or business owner. I haven't seen where Obama has ever been the CEO of anything.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:21 pmTracy:
I thought all theft was theft? Isn't that what you told me?
We'd certainly have less illegal downloads on College campuses if they cut off McCain's hand like they do in certain middle-eastern countries... isn't that how your argument goes?
Now personally I think this is a non-issue and that the campaign should deal with the artists but I though you had such rigid 'principles' ,sigh...
September 5th, 2008 at 7:30 pmLooks like all those cracks in that glass ceiling Palin was talking about were in your glass house...
By the way Tracy Heart had a top ten hit in 1985
September 5th, 2008 at 7:33 pmEugeneDebs you aren't even worth my time. BTW you never answered my question: Why was your apparent hero committed to a sanitarium? His embracement of Karl Marx and his BS ideals perhaps?
September 5th, 2008 at 7:52 pm"I thought all theft was theft? Isn’t that what you told me?"
I guess so. So cutting off Obama's hand would make it even in terms of physical handicaps compared to McCain.
September 5th, 2008 at 7:56 pm"By the way Tracy Heart had a top ten hit in 1985"
I stand in utter amazement!
September 5th, 2008 at 7:59 pmTracy, I shall try again.
1)According to the system both parties have, delegates are assigned according to the number of votes that person gets in the primary.
2)Obama got more than any other candidate (including Hillary and Biden).
3)Obama gets to be on the top of the ticket.
Tell me which one of these three you are having trouble understanding and I will try to help.
McCain chose someone very inexperienced because he was pandering to the right of his party and women. That is all McCain has done for the last year is pander. He may have the reputation of a maverick, but he votes with Bush 90% of the time and Bush has a 73% disapproval----new American record.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:01 pmhttp://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/09/palin-the-jewish-vote.html
Uh-oh Tracy! Palin's preacher and the guest sermons make Wright' out of context remarks look like the Gettysburg adress... and they published the whole sermon, not just the stuff that would stir up the LIV's when taken out of context!
And she sat there with her kids throughout the whole thing! Shocking!!
And it was two weeks ago... how long has Palin been sitting through this hate!?!?
September 5th, 2008 at 8:05 pmTracy what I am is irrelevant your monumental stupidity is a stench on this board. I never saw that question I dont live here and I work for a living. Eugene never recovered from the health problems after being imprisoned for giving an anti war speech it wasnt an insane asylum you insufferable MORON it was founded by a nutritionist. He went there to die. This is the problem even THINKING about having a discussion with someone as patently ignorant as you. You dont KNOW enough to even begin an intelligent conversation which would be far beyond your abilities anyway. No one cares what you think about socialism stupid as you are its only a matter of time till someone has to water you and turn you toward the sun twice a day.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:06 pmMore cracks in that glass house's ceiling, huh, Tracy?
September 5th, 2008 at 8:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
“By the way Tracy Heart had a top ten hit in 1985?
I stand in utter amazement!
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I am sure you are amazed at ICE. Here is a novel concept try having at least a DIM concept what you are talking about before you open your mouth and show what a fool you are.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI guess so. So cutting off Obama’s hand would make it even in terms of physical handicaps compared to McCain.
If memory serves Tracy, I'm not the one who proposed this little bit of insanity- you were.
Let your candidate suffer your wrath and I'll let mine keep his hands, he'll need them to sign stuff when he's President.
P.S. I hope McCain keeps his hands, too. And that you realize it was a silly, silly thing to say.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:11 pmTracy__5 Says:
EugeneDebs you aren’t even worth my time.
Oh the irony. Say T5, why do you pick and choose topics to reply on? Never mind. You remain an idiot and it appears nothing will change that.
September 5th, 2008 at 8:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Show me the emphatic yes.”
I asked don’t you think that Biden should be at the top of the ticket even in the light of Obama’s weak experience and you said…
“No I don’t think so.”
September 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
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September 5th, 2008 at 8:28 pmAnd this is an emphatic yes, how? Come on now Tracy_5...
livelongandprosper:
September 5th, 2008 at 8:34 pmI have an open door policy but the crawfish meats are a frozen product for later and the mussels are needed for tomorrow night. Tonight I am making the marinara. The tomatoes have already been blanched so if you hurry up you can help with the peeling and seeding. Oh and bring some more red... The garlic I get is soooo good.
best-
"I never saw that question..."
"....it wasnt an insane asylum"
I know I said it was a sanitarium, i.e. place where people go who are sick. Next time please quote correctly.
"No one cares what you think about socialism..."
Somehow I don't think that many people even here really agree with Karl Marx's teaching and ideals.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pm"If memory serves Tracy, I’m not the one who proposed this little bit of insanity- you were."
Your memory is slipping then because I gave it as an example of an effective deterrant to crime but proceeded to state that I don't agree with that barbaric practice.
September 5th, 2008 at 10:23 pmI have no problem with well run socialism. Seems many folks living in sophisticated well run nations don't either. Try not to confuse such nations as say Norway with some sort of weird assed warped my high school teacher told me it was bad impressions of socialism with some oddball cold war mentality thinking which implies that quality community is somehow antiAmerican godless chaos
September 5th, 2008 at 10:24 pm"Uh-oh Tracy! Palin’s preacher and the guest sermons make Wright’ out of context remarks look like the Gettysburg adress..."
Out of context remarks? Not even close. I suggest you listen to some of Wright's sermons. I think we have already found out that you don't see anything wrong with Wright's sermons...correct?
September 5th, 2008 at 10:31 pm"And this is an emphatic yes, how? Come on now Tracy_5…"
OK now you are getting into semantics. How about just plain "yes"?
September 5th, 2008 at 10:35 pm"I have no problem with well run socialism."
Well that' good for you. I personally like liberty and socialism limits that.
BTW Karl Marx was the "Father of Communism", but I suspect you don't agree with that failed political/economic system...right?
September 5th, 2008 at 10:44 pmI'm not excusing McCain's hypocrisy (God knows there ain't one for that!)
I'm just saying that the properly socialist thing to do would be for all art to become public domain after a small period of time during which the artist should be able to profit from the work.
To those who seem to think I'm a Republican troll, I'm actually more aligned with the Bolivarian socialism Chavez is attempting to establish (mixed feelings about his methods but the ideals are very nuanced, with an emphasis on human creativity and expression being essential rights, as well as community values being important).
Furthermore, I would call myself a creative individual who composes music and literary non-fiction. I also use free software and believe information should be free to all for non-commercial uses. On that point alone, McCain should be allowed to use the songs non-commercially (though one could argue [myself included] that American elections are highly commercial!)
Vote Nader in November, Obama will win this election anyway
September 5th, 2008 at 11:04 pmand Matthew Maury was the father of modern physical oceanography
September 6th, 2008 at 9:18 amIt's no so much "permission" the artist demands, it's compensation.
But in order for the artist to get paid, one must first ASK permission to use the song, and very rarely from the artist directly. There are clearing houses of music licensees who handle the publishing/copyright compensation/distribution for any tune requested.
Sometimes, the artists isn't aware until the check comes in the mail.
However in this case, as in most political scenes, no permission was obtained.
My group had a song used by the Texas RNC for one of Shrub's Austin rallies in 2000 and we nor our publisher were ever contacted, much LESS EVEN compensated for using our music.
But as an artist, you've got to know these things happen and are often beyond our control (or compensation).
September 6th, 2008 at 9:37 amTracy-
September 6th, 2008 at 10:53 amYes, I've listened to some of Wrights sermons- including the one where his quoting of a reagan official were taken out of context and used to smear Obama and when you listen to the whole sermon they make alot of sense.
Something that cannot be said for Palin's preachers sermons or the guest from Jews for Jesus her church invited TWO WEEKS AGO.
I notice you had no thoughts on that little bit of insanity... oh, and the FULL sermon is available at my link- not just the stuff that makes it sounds crazy, 'cause it ALL sounds crazy!!
failed political/economic system
Yea riiiight.
China is SUCH a failure...
Republicans are the owners, lock-stock-and-barrel, of hypocritical stupidity.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:33 amChina is SUCH a failure…"
China's economic system is not based on a communist state planned model. This government uses capitalism and free markets to enrich itself while it's people are kept working and silenced. It's political system, which is basically a police state, is just like the KGB during the Soviet Union which kept the people under their boot. Do you actually think that the masses acually get to enjoy all of the wealth that the government controls? It's just a matter of time untill the communist government collapses and democratic reform takes hold. Communism doesn't work, never has worked, and never will work.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pmTracy__5 Says:
You are so stupid it it almost impossible to have a discussion with you.
“….it wasnt an insane asylum”
I know I said it was a sanitarium, i.e. place where people go who are sick. Next time please quote correctly.
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OK here is your quote "Why was your apparent hero committed to a sanitarium? His embracement of Karl Marx and his BS ideals perhaps?" So are you REALLY trying to say that it wasnt your intention to imply that he was there for mental health reasons? If not WHY did you ask about his committment to Karl Marx ideals? Why did you ask why he was COMMITTED instead of saying why did he check himself in? See we are not as stupid as you dont even TRY to pretend that wasnt your implication. IF it wasnt then why in the world would you ask why he went to a sanitarium WHEN HE DIED THERE? You really are an insufferable moron. I mean REALLY incredibly stupid.
“No one cares what you think about socialism…”
Somehow I don’t think that many people even here really agree with Karl Marx’s teaching and ideals.
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That would be relevant HOW? I dont agree with Ghandi's Hindu beliefs either does that mean Ghandi has nothing to offer? Really give this up you are just too ignorant to be beleived. Let me give you some free advise. It is the first rule of holes when you find yourself in one STOP DIGGING.
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