Woodward: Bush Doesn’t Understand Why Iraqis ‘Are Not Appreciative’ Of ‘Liberation’
Woodward: Bush Doesn’t Understand Why Iraqis ‘Are Not Appreciative’ Of ‘Liberation’
Last night on 60 Minutes, host Scott Pelley interviewed Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward to discuss his new book “The War Within: A Secret White House History, 2006-2008.” Pelley noted that one part of the story Woodward tells is President Bush’s “frustration with the attitude of the Iraqi people”:
WOODWARD: He has a meeting at the Pentagon with a bunch of experts and he just said, ‘I don’t understand that the Iraqis are not appreciative of what we’ve done for them,’ namely liberated them.
PELLEY: But tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed in the invasion and through the occupation. He didn’t understand why they might be a little ungrateful about what had occurred to them?
WOODWARD: His beacon is liberation. He thinks we’ve done this magnificent thing for them. I think he still holds to that position.
Watch it:
Nearly 100,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives since 2003 (maybe more) and around 2 million have either fled the country or are internally displaced. For many years, ordinary Iraqis have had to deal with car bombs, suicide bombs, and other routine violence that ultimately resulted in civil war and the sectarian cleansing of Baghdad. Why wouldn’t Iraqis be grateful for all that?
Woodward also revealed during the interview that the “secret behind the success of the surge” was not the U.S. troop build-up but a “breakthrough” in “secret operational capabilities that have been developed by the military to locate, target and kill leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq, insurgent leaders, renegade militia leaders.” Woodward would not provide any further details of the secret plan.
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Maybe because we’ve managed to kill an estimated million of ‘em, drove multiple millions more into exile, and wounded an additional untold number whilst wrecking the place completely?
Can Li’l Georgie even spell “white phosphorus”???
September 8th, 2008 at 10:58 amThe Iraqis weren’t in the middle of a revolution attempting to liberate themselves for many good reasons.
Sure, Saddam was a brutal dictator, but they had a higher quality of living under his dictatorship than they have under this ‘liberation’ where they don’t have adequate electricity, water, or security from being shot…
Perhaps Heir Bush should go live in Iraq for a while to understand the ramifications of his occupation of a sovereign naion who didn’t ask for his intervention.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:01 amWoodward also revealed during the interview that the “secret behind the success of the surge” was not the U.S. troop build-up but a “breakthrough” in “secret operational capabilities that have been developed by the military to locate, target and kill leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq, insurgent leaders, renegade militia leaders.”
Why would you develop this type of ‘method’ ?
Do either Chimpy , Cheney or even Betrayus himself carry out any type of operation ?
How about targeting bombers and actual fighters ?
Does this administration do anything that isn’t ass-backwards and/or a complete clusterfu(k ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:05 amunbelievable Says:
Sure, Saddam was a brutal dictator… and if I’m not mistaken, one that Botch’s own father once supported. Didn’t I see a picture once of our beloved Von Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:06 amWhat with all that ’shock & awe’ bombing, inadequate water and
electricity, occupation, indiscriminate shooting by mercenary thugs, and torture, I can’t imagine why the Iraqis don’t appreciate our “liberation” of their country.
SNARK
September 8th, 2008 at 11:10 amMCMetal Says:
Woodward also revealed during the interview that the “secret behind the success of the surge” was not the U.S. troop build-up but a “breakthrough” in “secret operational capabilities that have been developed by the military to locate, target and kill leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq, insurgent leaders, renegade militia leaders.”
This propaganda fed to Woodward by the military is meant to create the appearance of competence where there is none.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:12 amCan you imagine Americans being grateful for the Japanese trying to “liberate” us at Pearl Harbor? Come on, GWB, how out of touch are you?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:13 amThere is much more to it than this. When we initially removed the Baathist regime, many Iraqi nationals thought they would have a chance at running government positions. Instead, every political party currently in the Iraqi government originated in Iran. The Iraqis blame the US for the tremendous Iranian influence that wasn’t there before our invasion. On a social level, economic, trade, and military, every aspect of the current Iraqi government is tied to the Iranian hip. Prime Minister Maliki lived in Iran and was an active political figure there from 1983-2003. The Iraqis are not upset about the liberation, they are upset that they did not get to be part of the new government.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:15 amWoodward, along with Bernstein, were champions of journalism years ago. Since then, Woodward has only written that which would sell more books for him.
Investigating and reporting information that would have been truly useful in educating the American people about the criminal activities of this administration over the last eight years fell to the wayside because it would have limited
Woodward’s access, which would have prevented him from writing, and selling, more “insider” books.
Journalistic whore. Or is that another oxymoron today?
PEACE
September 8th, 2008 at 11:17 amChris LeJeune Says:
The Iraqis are not upset about the liberation, they are upset that they did not get to be part of the new government.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am
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What a nation of whiners. I mean, we gave them a flat tax and flooded their markets with cheap Chinese and Iranian goods. What more do they want?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:19 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says: Sure, Saddam was a brutal dictator… and if I’m not mistaken, one that Botch’s own father once supported. Didn’t I see a picture once of our beloved Von Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand?
Excellent point. Until he invaded Kuwait, ironically, we loved us some Saddam.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:20 amThe same way that Native Americans are grateful for being ‘liberated’….
September 8th, 2008 at 11:20 amWhere the hell WAS “60 Minutes” last night?? I tuned in here in L.A. and we had the goddamn tennis match.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:22 amChris LeJeune Says:
Yes, try as they might, BushCo was unable to install a Sunni government (read: Saudi) and instead created an environment for a Shiite governement (read: Iran). OOOPS!
And now they all get to walk away and blame the next administration for the clusterph*uck that is coming. They don’t even care who wins in November, as long as they are gone when the Shiite hits the fan.
PEACE
September 8th, 2008 at 11:22 amWOODWARD: His beacon is liberation. He thinks we’ve done this magnificent thing for them. I think he still holds to that position.
When , where and how did the Iraqi people get Chimpy’s direct number and tell him to invade Iraq so they could become liberated ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:25 amMCMetal Says:
When , where and how did the Iraqi people get Chimpy’s direct number and tell him to invade Iraq so they could become liberated ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:25 am
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Probably got it from Ahmed Chalabi – he had Bush on speed-dial back in the day.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:25 amGosh it’s good the military has such “secret operational capabilities” to target specific individuals. I can hardly wait for the use of these “secret operational capabilities” to target Ben Laden and Taliban leaders.
Woodward; as spencers mom said “Journalistic whore”, a man of negotiable affection.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:29 amgeorge bush does not live in the real world, and he never has. someday he will pay a price for that, because many of us already have.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:33 amBushie Says:
I can hardly wait for the use of these “secret operational capabilities” to target Ben Laden and Taliban leaders.
Haven’t you heard? McStain has told us that he not only knows how to win wars and will win in Iraq, but he also knows how to get bin Laden.
The question remains, if St. John does know, why has he not shared his vision with his president, thus saving thousands of lives?
Or will he only tell if and when he wins?
PEACE
September 8th, 2008 at 11:33 amThough 60 Minutes was listed to show in the Portland, OR market at the usual time, it was preempted by the US Open?? Did this happen in other regions, as well?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:35 amThanks~~
How about Woodward not being able to tell us about the supposed super secret weapon that we are employing.
What that weapon is is your tax dollars paying off (bribery) everybody (good and ‘bad’) in Iraq.
¶ AIO
September 8th, 2008 at 11:35 amWell who in hell doesn`t like DEMOCRACY shoved up their a$$ through the barrel of a gun………..Buck Fush and Darth Cheney.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:40 amThe pottery barn rule is obviously still too complicated for young George.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:41 amTracy__5 Says:
Yes and they loved the man.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:38 am
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No, they didn’t. But he kept the country from plunging into civil war.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:42 amTracy__5 Says:
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“Sure, Saddam was a brutal dictator, but they had a higher quality of living under his dictatorship….”
Yes and they loved the man.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:38 am
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They loved him a lot more than the retarded simian moron you adore , you GOP tool………………
September 8th, 2008 at 11:42 amComing from a dysfunctional family, you’d think they’d be glad that we tortured and killed their family. Think of little Johnny proudly showing the pictures of his father at Abu Ghraib in show and tell. /NARF!
Not to mention we blasted their infrastructure to the stone age so that they don’t have water, sanitation, electricity, etc. But that is just a chance for them to jump on solar power – right ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:42 amTracy__5 Says:
“Sure, Saddam was a brutal dictator, but they had a higher quality of living under his dictatorship….”
Yes and they loved the man.
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Actually they hated him. However, PM Maliki is the Secretary-General of a UN listed terrorist organization (the Dawa Party) that bombed the US embassy in Kuwait in 1983 – And they don’t like him much either.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:43 amBottom line.
Bush squandered $3 trillion, is responsible for well over 4,000 dead American soldier, smany times that wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, ten times that wounded and lives destroyed, dishonored America…..
Because the petty little fck wanted to be remembered as a War President.
And he doesn’t understand why is is reviled by his own people, much less the Iraqis and the rest of the world.
Our own little national disaster, the Chimperor.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:45 amOdd thread….Good Morning camper’s, good comment’s…..There might have been better response for heir bull shit bush if he and his evil bunch haden’t killed off a million people that could of told their response to war….Leaving a country with long lasting killer chemicles and turning everything into a glass parking lot is a bit harsh when one expect’s a posative response from the few remaining infected resident’s….Well, it just show;s what a slow leaker bush’s mind is, he need’s rove’s evil hot air to pump his brain up…P.B. & J
September 8th, 2008 at 11:50 amTracy_5:
September 8th, 2008 at 11:51 amHow can the surge not be working? The key is to consently move the goalposts to ensure the appearance of success. Do you still remember the original justifications?
Tracy__5 Says:
But the “surge” isn’t working…
September 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am
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Thank you for finally admitting this. I knew we’d wear you down eventually.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:52 amTracy__5 Says:
But their lives were so much better under Saddam.
For those who still are alive, you mean? Or do you mean the hundreds of thousands dead since your invasion?
Illuminate us, O you who are sooooo much smarter than us.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:53 amTracy__5 Says:
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“Woodward also revealed during the interview that the “secret behind the success of the surge”….
But the “surge” isn’t working…
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Why are we still in Iraq if it’s such a ’success’ , you Chimpy cheerleading stooge ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:53 amTracy__5 Says:
“Actually they hated him.”
But their lives were so much better under Saddam.
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In many ways, yes it was. But I don’t really care about the Iraqis. I didn’t deploy to Iraq in 2003 to help the Iraqis. I care about America and our security. And I fail to see how our successes at making Iran tremendously more powerful has helped make America safer. We have created the strongest, richest, most powerful ally Iran could have ever dreamed of. How did that make us safer?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:54 amBu$h is a typical slum lord – he should be convicted like one and have to spend time in Iraq or New Orleans.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:57 amTracy__5 Says:
But their lives were so much better under Saddam.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am
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In many respects, they did. 1.2 million of them actually had lives under Saddam. 4 million of them were living in their homes instead of as refugees in Syria or Jordan or elsewhere in the country. They lived in integrated non-ethnically cleansed neighborhoods. They could send their kids to school without worry that they’d be kidnapped for ransom or blown up by a car bomb. And if they shut their mouths, they could avoid trouble with Saddam.
And then we “liberated them.” Yippee.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:59 amViolence is down because of steps taken before the surge and the fact that the troops no longer go out on patrol. The surge was supposed to give us political reconciliation and it hasn’t done that. Get it.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:59 amTracy__5 Says:
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“Actually they hated him.”
But their lives were so much better under Saddam.
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Their lives were more prosperous financially and a bit more stable ; those aren’t necessarily conditions that should include love/adoration.
Something you and the entire retarded Chimpy Adoration Brigade simply can not comprehend , even though your lives aren’t more prosperous or stable…………
September 8th, 2008 at 11:59 amChimpy can’t understand why the Iraqis don’t love him because he and Cheney only watch Fox News and believe their own propaganda and forget they wrote it.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:00 pmIf the surge worked Tracy why doesn’t McCain want us to leave. Because he’s as dumb as you that’s why.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pmYeah idiot because there’s a real likelihood that you can bring Sadam back to life after his head was ripped off during the hanging.
But ask them, go ahead. Tell them they’ll get their dead and injured friends and family back in addition to electricity and water and see if they don’t want him back.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:04 pmTracy__5 Says:
I will bet even after all the Iraqi have been thru if you put it to an Iraqi vote on whether they would like to see Saddam back in power they would say “no”.
Hah. Way to make an easy bet, considering Saddam is DEAD.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:05 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“They loved him a lot more than the retarded simian moron you adore”
I will bet even after all the Iraqi have been thru if you put it to an Iraqi vote on whether they would like to see Saddam back in power they would say “no”.
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Yes , you’ve shown quite a propensity for understanding different mindsets ……….
Give it a rest.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pmWho is this Tracy moron and what happened to its brain?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pmRantingTommy Says:
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Who is this Tracy moron and what happened to its brain?
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It never had one ………..
September 8th, 2008 at 12:17 pmTracy__5 Says:
Yes and they loved the man.
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Reagan, Bush I, Cheney, and Von Rumsfled once called him “our good friend”, or something to that effect. Birds of a feather…
September 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pmLuis M Says:
Hah. Way to make an easy bet, considering Saddam is DEAD.
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I’ve always found it interesting how quickly Saddam was hanged back then… it’s almost like some folk didn’t want him talking about what he knew…
September 8th, 2008 at 12:20 pmI guess Bush never read Baghdad Burning as part of his deep study of the Iraqi situation.
Bush liberated his desires for revenge against Saddam. It would help his big oil buddies gat access to all that Iraqi crude, so why not?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:23 pmI’ve GOT IT!! I’ve GOT IT!!
He’s a dumfuk.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:25 pmDear people of America,
I understand that you have liberated us and we no longer have that evil man Sadam in power. My daughter used to have to stop her soccer game in the street when Sadam’s motorcade went through but thanks to you, that is no longer a problem.
How I miss her smile and her cheerfulness. Every since she and my wife were killed at a checkpoint I think of them every day.
I will be traveling to America soon and have a gift to show my country’s gratitude for the liberation and I can’t wait to have as many as possible of you experience my heartfelt emotion. Especially George Bush, who is the one person mostly responsible for our liberation.
Salam ……… Abdul Saleh
September 8th, 2008 at 12:26 pmLet’s see, Iraqis became concerned in 2004 that the costs of the invasion outweighed the benefits:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm
As of 2008, one in four Iraqi families has had a family member murdered.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:32 pmExactly, stateofthedivision. Humans are pretty much all alike and when one of your family is murdered, revenge is a strong motivation.
How many new enemies have we minted in Bush’s War? And enemies that have a stronger motivation than theologcal or national, it’s thicker than water I hear.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pmI also find it rather interesting how McSame often says, “I know how to win wars.” Well, what wars has he won? Vietnam? While sitting in a prison cell?
An occupation cannot be won. A war based on lies in an effort to steal a nations resources cannot be won. The entire Iraq fiasco was a disaster from day one – and the ongoing spin will never change that.
Obama/Biden ‘08
September 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pmCan I add that we paid billions so KBR could connect hot electric wires to our troops’ shower drains.
Wonder what quality of workmanship the Iraqis are getting ?
September 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pmWooo hooo! Tracy_5finger, our ever popular, bigoted, women hating, mega bucks earning troll is back. And dealing with hypotheticals, no less.
An interesting documentary from a surgeon in Baghdad aired on HBO earlier this year.
A camera secretly recorded an ambulance response to a suicide bombing. A woman, oppressed during Saddam’s tenure, yells…
WHY? WHY? WHY THIS? I WISH SADDAM WAS BACK IN POWER!
But since we are dealing with a fcked up argument of mythical proportions, I also have one.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:42 pmI wonder how many people that voted for Bush in 2000 could take that back, and vote for the legitimate winner(GORE)?
I wonder, how many of the fence voters for Bush, wish they could take that back and possibly have prevented 9/11?
Tracy__5fingers Says:
My friends in Iraq have asked this very question. The answer is still “no”.
Would these be your “black” friends you are so fond of mentioning?
September 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pmTracy_5 continues to work his way up John McCain’s “Frequent Lyer” program. With a few hundred more points he can reach, Dover Sole with Queen Sarah level.
The sole comes from McCon’s worn out Maverick boots. Too much shuffling the last few years.
Dinner with the Queen, Tracy_5. It’s a familiar Repugnicant gift to loyal, high dollar donors. Congrats on your intelligence sacrifice being rewarded…
September 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pmAnnointed One? There is no such level in the McCain program.
McCon holds that distinction for himself, but has considered offering it to Rev. Sun Myung Moon for a huge donation.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:15 pmLast time I checked at least 80% of the Iraqis thought USA would never leave. So what kind of liberty is that?
September 8th, 2008 at 3:26 pm#Tracy__5 Says:
“Actually they hated him.”
But their lives were so much better under Saddam.
Wow, I didn’t think I would live to see the day that this particular dumb troll would say something that was true.
Yes, troll, their lives were better under Saddam. I read a recent survey of the Iraqi’s that said just that. They were asked if their lives were better off now than they were when Saddam was in power and a vast majority said “Hell No”.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pmOh hell, I did the same thing everyone else did her. This thread should be given to Tracy5 because it certainly has said more moronic things on this thread than ever before. Congratulations to Tracy5 for hitting a new low.
Now, let’s stop feeding the troll.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:38 pmI believe it would be called “community organizer” in the Obama camp. But McCain’s campaign is the only one offering “frequent lyer” points.
From the volume of your posts, Tracy_5, McCain likes quantity, not quality.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:28 pmTo tie this article with a more recent one – one which reports a cholera outbreak.
Nothin says luvin like running from the oven ?
September 8th, 2008 at 5:43 pmYou know part of what really bothers me about Iraq and Saddam is that I recall reading somewhere, and I don’t have a link, that Bush 1’s ambassabor was told that Saddam was going to invade Kuwait. The Bush 1 administration didn’t have a problem with that until after the invasion and the Saudis screamed bloody murder. Then Bush 1 had to do something.
We have all this to blame on the Bush 1, Cheney, Rummy and Chimpy.
And there are still no WMDs.
September 8th, 2008 at 5:47 pmTracy:
Care to comment on Palin’s preacher yet?
September 8th, 2008 at 6:57 pmHow about the sermon Palin herself gave?
Tracy__5 Says:
I will bet even after all the Iraqi have been thru if you put it to an Iraqi vote on whether they would like to see Saddam back in power they would say “no”.
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Do the ones that are DEAD because of the invasion get to vote? Your question is a classic logical fallacy. Are those the Strawman. No one is arguing that Saddam was a great guy. In fact you conservatives are late on the Saddam is a monster bandwagon where were YOU in 83 and 88 when liberals like me were screaming we should stop supporting him and he should be tried for crimes against humanity? Probably with your hero Raygun supporting him and stopping the UN investigation of Halabja. It is a plain FACT however that they had the largest middle class in the middle east the best healthcare system and best educated people in the Islamic middle east. Women lawyers, doctors, college professors and the first woman judge was sworn in 1959.8That is pretty much gone though they may recover. I am sure what they WOULD like is their previous lives back WITHOUT Saddam.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pmWhat is without DISPUTE is THEY WANT US GONE
Tracy__5 Says:
“I’ve always found it interesting how quickly Saddam was hanged back then… it’s almost like some folk didn’t want him talking about what he knew…”
Yes that he was actually a decent guy that always had his people in his heart. LOL!
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Another stupid strawman argument. Do you EVER make sense?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I wonder how many people that voted for Bush in 2000 could take that back, and vote for the legitimate winner(GORE)?”
I didn’t realize that illegally counting votes made Gore the winner.
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Illegally counting VOTES????? Counting votes is what I like to call DEMOCRACY. Who made it illegal? What is no longer in dispute is that when all valid votes WERE counted in Florida, because that was done by an accounting firm, that Gore got more votes by any counting standard
September 8th, 2008 at 7:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Annointed One? There is no such level in the McCain program.”
I know, but there is one in the Obama campaign.
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No there isnt you are a liar and a fool
September 8th, 2008 at 7:11 pmTracy:
Care to comment on Palin’s preacher yet?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:20 pmHow about the sermon Palin herself gave?
Tracy__5 Says:
“Who made it illegal?”
Florida election law, but that shouldn’t matter…right?
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What a stupid thing to say. Florida election law made it illegal to count valid votes? Are you an infant?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:35 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Another stupid strawman argument.”
I am not arguing about anything.
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You made an argument is the English language to complicated for you?
September 8th, 2008 at 7:36 pmTracy__5 Says:
“It is a plain FACT however that they had the largest middle class in the middle east the best healthcare system and best educated people in the Islamic middle east.”
Not after the Iran-Iraq war and then subsequent sanctions during the 1990s and Saddam has everything to do with that ill being brought on the Iraqis.
“I am sure what they WOULD like is their previous lives back WITHOUT Saddam.”
Of course they would, but as you say WITHOUT Saddam. Given this little requirement it’s going to take time. Remember Saddam’s sons were next in line for the next 30 years.
“What is without DISPUTE is THEY WANT US GONE”
Absolutely.
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A reasoned argument I see nothing to dispute here. IF they wanted them gone it was up to THEM to make them go. I certainly dont remember the Iraqi people begging us to invade their country to rid them of Saddam and the reason I DONT remember it is because it never happened. Also it is ridiculous to pretend we invaded Iraq to free the poor suffering Iraqi people. Saddam was at his worst when he was our good ally. By the time we invaded about 300 people a year were being killed for political reasons according to HRW. That makes him a thug but that is a bad MONTH in Columbia or Guatemala. If we really cared that much about the suffering of other people we would START with Guatemala. That wouldnt take an invasion they are a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America all it would take to stop THEM from slaughtering labor leaders is political pressure. I notice we dont provide that. Stop pretending the invasion of Iraq was about Bush helping the poor suffering Iraqi people, it makes my stomach hurt. I remeber the runup to the War. It was we have to invade Iraq because of the WMDs, Iraq has WMDs they litter Iraq like so many cigarette butt, the WMDS…Ok no WMDs but 9/11 its about 9/11. 9/11…Ok so they had nothing to do with 9/11 but they are working with al Queda, they will give their weapons to al Queda we cant let them work with al Queda…Ok so they ARENT working with al Queda but give me a minute…Yeah, liberation, thats the ticket, we have to liberate Iraq yeah. It doesnt pass the laugh test.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Care to comment on Palin’s preacher yet?”
A bit extreme in his interpretation of the bible. Each to his own, but I don’t hear too much in the way of real wacky things like the U.S. government developed AIDS to kill black people.
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Yeah pretty tinfoil hat but I believe that was in the context of talking about the Tuskeegee experiments where blacks were denied penicillian as a control group while whites were given it to study their DEATHS by syphillis so it really doesnt come off as that hateful to me. Also I would give them both a break considering the hostility between secular and religious leaders that goes back at least as far as the biblical prophets.
September 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pmA bit extreme in his interpretation of the bible. Each to his own,
Ahhh, so Palin’s preacher gets a pass… how even-handed and neutral you are Tracy.
How about admitting that your preacher doesn’t define who you are?
“How about the sermon Palin herself gave?”
Which one?
You know, the one McCain’s people are trying desperately to erase from the interweb?
This one… (although I’m sure there are other jem’s out there)
September 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/palin-iraq-god/
OK, Tracy, if TP is full of lies, and you aren’t earning McCon/Pullin points, why are you here?
September 8th, 2008 at 8:27 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I certainly dont remember the Iraqi people begging us to invade their country to rid them of Saddam…”
I remember Saddam sending helicopter gunships to kill opposition leaders of the Iraqi National Congress that were trying to overthrown him, but we turned the other cheek, no thanks to Bush Sr.
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True I am still mad about that. Bush Sr said he would support the Shia if they revolted against Saddam. THEN we denied them use of captured equipment and watched them get slaughtered by Saddam. I dont know if there is a point there. We really dont throw a fit about ANY leader militarily putting down a rebellion. In THIS case we certainly should have since we SAID we would. That was an outright betrayal.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:36 pmHow about the other rumor -How about the other rumor – if he withdraws US forces from the Iraq frypan they’ll wind up in the Afghanistan/Pakistan fire?
March 7th, 2009 at 5:42 am