ThinkFast: September 8, 2008
ThinkFast: September 8, 2008
MSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, “bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral.” David Gregory will take over the anchor seat for events such as this fall’s presidential and vice presidential debates and election night.
A CQ analysis finds that this year, federal lawmakers in both parties “have opposed the president far more often than at any other time since he’s been in the White House, and the erosion in support is dramatic among Republicans.” GOP House members, for example, supported Bush 94 percent of the time in 2001 and 2003, but just 63 percent in 2008.
Alaska lawmakers “are scheduled to meet Friday to decide whether to issue subpoenas” to members of Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-AK) administration as part of their investigation into abuse of power allegations against Palin. The McCain campaign has also endorsed a plan by “key Alaska allies” to derail the investigation to prevent it from producing “embarrassing information” about Palin before the election.
Palin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.” “You’ll be encouraged by the power of God’s love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality,” reads a recent insert in the church’s bulletin describing Focus on the Family’s upcoming Love Won Out Conference in Anchorage.
On the trail today: John McCain and Sarah Palin will hold a rally this morning in Lee’s Summit, MO. Barack Obama “returns to Michigan today to discuss the economy at events in Flint and Farmington Hills.”
In a move that will spare conservatives from a politically difficult vote before the November elections, “Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program.” Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation.
Declaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
“Cellphone pictures taken in the aftermath of a U.S. military operation in Afghanistan are providing new evidence that a large number of civilians may have been mistakenly killed by American troops last month,” according to NATO officials. The images show at least 11 dead children; the U.S. military has insisted that only five to seven civilian were killed.
Gen. David Petraeus will hand over the command of U.S.-led forces in Iraq to Gen. Raymond Odierno on September 16. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram writes that “questions linger, as they did not for Petraeus, about how ready Odierno is for the strategic challenges of Iraq.”
Libyan leader and former terrorist sponsor Moammar Gadhafi dined with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last week, completing “a remarkable five-year rehabilitation.” Gadhafi presented Rice with several gifts, including “a locket with an engraved likeness of himself inside.”
And finally: The AP reports, “Should this world ever cease to exist, Stephen Colbert will live on. The comedian’s DNA will be digitized and sent to the International Space Station.” Essentially, Colbert will be preserved so that “aliens can clone him.” Colbert said that this move brings him one step closer to his “lifelong dream of being the baby at the end of 2001,” referring to the science fiction film, “2001: A Space Odyssey.”
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Good morning, campers.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Judy Ghouliani-noun, verb, 9/11
September 8th, 2008 at 9:03 amJohnny-boy McPutz-noun, verb, POW
I’m glad to see that MSNBC came to their senses…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:05 amMSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, “bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral.” David Gregory will take over the anchor seat for events such as this fall’s presidential and vice presidential debates and election night.
If we needed any more evidence that the supposed MSM is in the pocket of the repuglican party, this seals it. Now we’ll have NBC knuckling under to McCain, ABC hosting a softball “interview” with Failin’ Palin, CNN backing off asking any more “tough questions” to the repuke nominees, and Faux Snooze spinning the reich wing talking points as usual.
“Liberal media” my a$$…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:06 amDeclaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
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Ah yes… a further erosion of the separation of church and state, brought to you by the GOOP! Well, if “clergy” insist, then tax their f-in’ churches. They’re just entertainers when you come right down to it, w/ their g-d fairy tales.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:07 amThe McCain campaign has also endorsed a plan by “key Alaska allies” to derail the investigation to prevent it from producing “embarrassing information” about Palin before the election.
Then perhaps you should have vetted her yourself? See what happens when you leave your job up to other people who actually care about these things?
John McCain’s utter lack of judgment in his VP pick should frighten every person thinking about voting for him. If this is how he makes choices, do you really want him in charge?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:08 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.” “You’ll be encouraged by the power of God’s love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality,” reads a recent insert in the church’s bulletin describing Focus on the Family’s upcoming Love Won Out Conference in Anchorage.
Where’s the media coverage?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:08 amThank God we’re gonna get David Gregory, NBC’s potted plant, for the debates. It’d be a shame to watch Senator Songbird’s head explode on national TV at the first “impertinent” question.
Imagine, if you will, Roger Ailes’ response to Dem pearl-clutching about being “too pro-fascist, er… conservative.”
September 8th, 2008 at 9:09 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.”
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I can only imagine the number of GOOPers who’ll be there.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:09 amDeclaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
Start taxing those mouthpieces and see how fast they shut up!
The rise of the mega-church should have been the end of tax breaks for churches that make a profit.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:11 amThe McCain campaign has also endorsed a plan by “key Alaska allies” to derail the investigation to prevent it from producing “embarrassing information” about Palin before the election.
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Sounds like obstruction of justice to me. Aren’t the GOOPers the ones who are always saying, “what are you worried about if you’ve got nothing to hide”? Guess they’ve got something to hide here, huh?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:11 amBeing removed from political opinion is better than being removed from life as in the man who knew too much, the late Tim Russert, a witness to Republican crimes.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:11 amAre they gonna have to stop praying for one of five USSC justices to drop dead?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:12 amTax the churches.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:13 amPalin received the cash for the “bridge to nowhere” then axed the project when it became a national embarassment.
But, she kept the money anyway, and spent it on other projects.
Don’t you think that information would make a great ad?
Obama’s team better start stepping up their ads right now. The polls are moving, but not in the direction I’d like.
PEACE
September 8th, 2008 at 9:14 amThe Dogfather Says: “Liberal media” my a$$…
I watch CSPAN – no talking heads. Or Jon Stewart, if I want critical commentary free from corporate censorship. :)
I remember as a kid, when Russia was our boogeyman, hearing about the outrageousness of their propaganda. Like we are ones to talk…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:14 amshe kept the money anyway, and spent it on other projects..9:14a
The money was handed out to Alaska voters as a bribe to the tune of I think about $1200.00 per voter.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:19 amGet busted for possession, you can’t vote (in some states), get a Pell Grant, or work for the Gummint. Ever. And “rehabilitated” Qaddafi gets a dinner. Both these slimeballs belong in the docket at the Hague to be followed by a lifetime of eating porridge from a tin tray with a plastic spork.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:19 amSo, when does Fox News pull it’s commentators for being too opinionated?
So, who knew that Palin attends the same church as Parodyll?
On a more serious note, during the football games, McSame ran a commercial geared for Michiganders.
It basically states that Obama and an OUT OF TOUCH congress have no idea how to run a country, that they will raise taxes and leave everyone in turmoil due to their inexperience.
1) The out of touch congress is the fault of the right who were in control for 6 years, then filibustered their a$$ the last 2.
2) This country is already in the grasp of a great recession, is currently in a record deficit, and unemployment is almost unheard of. All because of a Republican controlled government. McSame voted 90% with Bush. Anyone see the correlation?
3) It is extremely important that Democrats continue to gain seats both in the House, and Senate, to counter the chance of McSame stealing an election. In my heart, I believe Obama will win in a landslide. The problem, is that the media keeps force feeding us McSame/Palin to the point where if the race is that close, I believe the Republicans can steal another (caging Ohio, anyone?).
More importantly:
September 8th, 2008 at 9:22 amGET OUT AND VOTE! ABSENTEE IF NECESSARY!
Ah yes… a further erosion of the separation of church and state, brought to you by the GOOP! Well, if “clergy” insist, then tax their f-in’ churches. They’re just entertainers when you come right down to it, w/ their g-d fairy tales.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Given Obama’s obeisance to these bible-babblers, we may expect to see the continued erosion of the divide between church and state, then, no matter which candidate is “selected’ to rule us, then…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:25 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.”
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Does this mean we can expect a visit by Daryll this morning?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:26 amAnd finally: The AP reports, “Should this world ever cease to exist, Stephen Colbert will live on. The comedian’s DNA will be digitized and sent to the International Space Station.” Essentially, Colbert will be preserved so that “aliens can clone him.”
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Now that’s just silly.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:26 amLet the cheating begin…
Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
How many voter-registration mass mailers are “returned to sender” in the run-up to Election Day may determine how many Ohio residents are eligible to vote.
Ohio election officials are sending out a mass mailer stamped “do not forward” to all registered voters today (Sept. 5) with an absentee ballot application and other important notices for Nov. 4.
What’s important here is not so much what’s going out as what’s being returned to sender.
Unbeknownst to the would-be recipients, the same mailer — just 60 days before the election — has the potential to determine their eligibility to vote, challenged not by election officials but by partisan opposition.
A similar mailer in March netted nondeliverable mail from almost 600,000 registered voters in just five Ohio counties who could now have their ballots thrown out for voting under the wrong address.
The National Voter Registration Act prohibits any state from purging names from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election.
http://www.miller-mccune.com/article/662
September 8th, 2008 at 9:26 amTax the churches.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Screw dat. Close ‘em, and raze ‘em to the goddam ground…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:27 amWhen I said Olberman would be push off 4 months ago, I was accused of being 1)a Repuglican Troll (I’m not) 2) A McCain backer (not, was for Edwards, than Clinton (because I thought she had the best chance of winning, Now for Obama..contributed twice to his campaign) 3) A litany of charges and slurs from Obama supporters…which although funny, I though show a neophyte understanding of corporate politics and national politics.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:27 amObama/Biden better start swinging the bat a little harder..
Have no idea why we haven’t seen ads about the lies from McCain/Palins..How easy would it be to run an add showing McCain saying Palin sold the plane on Ebay for a profit with the evidance that she never did and it was sold for a lost with a tag line if the lie about the little stuff….
How about the bridge to no-where…with the tag line she was for it before she was against it,,,and kept the money anyway???
The list is endless..
But now all we hear from them, is McSame is a hero and VP Bimbo gave a great speach..
Agree with so many that McSame VP choice should scare the heck out of every American…when is Obama and Biden start to hammer and I mean hammer that point everyday…Take of the gloves and start to fight..you’ll never beat Repuglicans by playing “nice”
misshusseinmolly Says:
Does this mean we can expect a visit by Daryll this morning?
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He has prior commitments (busy being converted…).
September 8th, 2008 at 9:27 amObama and Bill Clinton to Hold Summit
The terms of the Clinton-Obama meeting have been negotiated warily for weeks through a veil of mutual suspicion. Mr. Clinton has felt for months that Mr. Obama has not paid him the proper respect as a former president and many close to Mr. Obama believe that Mr. Clinton dealt dismissively with him during the campaign.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/obama-and-bill-clinton-to-hold-summit/
September 8th, 2008 at 9:30 amMSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, “bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral.”
So the corporate masters decided to shut up the only liberal voices. That is really a shame.
aceomalley7 Says:
I’m glad to see that MSNBC came to their senses…
Then I suppose you will be lobbying Fox to put on a commentator who will be “neutral” too. There isn’t a person on Fox who doesn’t speak with a conservative voice.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:30 amGOP House members, for example, supported Bush 94 percent of the time in 2001 and 2003, but just 63 percent in 2008.
Don’t get all excited here. The only reason why they stopped walking in lock-step with Bush is because they feared for their job. For many of them, the conversion came too late.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:31 amLet the cheating begin…
Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
The cheating began on Jan 20, 2000.
Remember the over 90 US Attorneys who were NOT fired for insufficient partisanship? What the PHUQUE do you think they’ve been doing these last eight goddam reeking years? laying tiddlywinks? NO! They’ve been busy screwing with everything and anything they could to obliterate any difference between the interests of the “State” and the GOPhuques…
Chuy, pay attention…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:32 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.”
Palin’s church is a piece of work. Her pastor has said some really hateful things about this country. But, we hear nothing about it on the MSM. Why is that? To the trolls here, why is the “liberal” MSM ignoring Palin’s pastor when they ran Obama’s 24×7 for a month?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:32 amunbelievable:
As a kid did you have duck and cover drills in school? How much of the fear of having an A-Bomb dropped on us was stoked by the likes of Joe McCarthy back then?
I have no memory of any practice of duck and cover before the 4th grade (1954) and the last memory of irrational fear came from my 10th grade Biology teacher (1960). He walked into the classroom late one day and began to berate the class for the idle chatter they were engaged in while the school building and the classroom we were in were venerable to being struck by an errant airplane from the airport. He then talked about why Nixon should be the next president. After the election of JFK the schools no longer taught fear.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:33 amIolair Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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Iolair Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Let’t try it again…
hmm
I must be hitting too close to the truth.
Later
September 8th, 2008 at 9:33 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
For many of them, the conversion came too late.
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And 63% is still way too high a percentage, given Botch’s “goals”…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:34 amVoter registration folks in Blacksburg, Virginia sent threatening letters to Virginia Tech students. It highlighted consequences of registering to vote in Montgomery County. They included loss of dependency, possible loss of health insurance and any financial aid.
http://insidehighered.com/news/2008/09/03/voting
September 8th, 2008 at 9:34 amAlaska lawmakers “are scheduled to meet Friday to decide whether to issue subpoenas” to members of Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-AK) administration as part of their investigation into abuse of power allegations against Palin.
Hopefully they stick to their guns and don’t allow political pressure to derail them.
What is Ms. Palin afraid of. Why did she stop “cooperating fully” like she said she was before she became the VP candidate?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:34 amOn the trail today: John McCain and Sarah Palin will hold a rally this morning in Lee’s Summit, MO.
And Ms. Palin will give the same stump speech she has given every time she has appeared with McBush.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:35 amDeclaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
Absolutely they do. But the Internal Revenue Service has a constitutional right to withdraw their tax exempt status if they do.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:36 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
To the trolls here, why is the “liberal” MSM ignoring Palin’s pastor when they ran Obama’s 24×7 for a month?
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Uh… uh… because she looks so good in a miniskirt?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:36 amGadhafi presented Rice with several gifts, including “a locket with an engraved likeness of himself inside.”
Gadhafi also said some really creepy things about Rice including telling her he loved her.
But, one has to ask, why are we negotiating with terrorist nations? I thought that was a no no in the Bush Administration.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:38 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says
September 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Palin’s church is a piece of work. Her pastor has said some really hateful things about this country. But, we hear nothing about it on the MSM. Why is that? To the trolls here, why is the “liberal” MSM ignoring Palin’s pastor when they ran Obama’s 24×7 for a month?
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Well, we need a couple of things to get the attention of the MSM — first, we need a YouTube video to go viral (has anything by the pastor of this church ever been captured on video?), and second, we need a scary black preacher. White preachers just don’t do it. Otherwise, the MSM would be paying attention to the outrageous things coming out of the mouths of Hagee, Dobson, Robertson, et al.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:38 amSaint Augustine Says: As a kid did you have duck and cover drills in school? How much of the fear of having an A-Bomb dropped on us was stoked by the likes of Joe McCarthy back then?
No, just tornado drills. I was in elementary school during the Vietnam “war”.
The schools still teach fear – fear of authority figures in general. If you don’t obey them, you will be prevented from attending the college of your choice.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:39 amThe Repugnicant Party will do anything to keep Sarah’s Alaskan princess, Disney auro. That includes ditching an investigation or greatly limiting its scope.
They aren’t about reform or justice. The party of greed wants to keep its mitts on the levers of power in Washington, D.C.
McCain/Palin are as real as Bigfoot/Paula Bunyan.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:39 amHere’s another news flash for you folks:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm
September 8th, 2008 at 9:40 amaceomalley7 Says:
You already posted it once, arse. Didn’t get enough attention before?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:40 amGreat, the US is now the new China for cheap labor… Thanks Republicans!
Manufacturers turn to US
The latest cheap manufacturing site for European companies is not in Asia or eastern Europe but the United States, say top executives from some of the continent’s biggest companies.
“It may sound like a joke but it can be cheaper than you imagine to manufacture there,” the chairman of one of Germany’s largest automobile groups told the Financial Times.
Tennessee, for instance, has just disclosed that it agreed to give German carmaker Volkswagen $577m in incentives for its $1bn plant in Chattanooga.
A senior executive at Fiat, the Italian industrial conglomerate, said: “With the amount of money US states are willing to throw at you, you would be stupid to turn them down at the moment. It is one of the low-cost locations to be in at the moment.”
A VW official suggested the US also had a competitive advantage because European Union state aid rules made support for factories difficult. “It is more difficult in Europe.”
“States are willing to pay for new roads, re-train workers and offer huge tax breaks – that is a competitive package that not many parts of the world can match when you look at how productive US workers are and where the dollar is,” said the chairman of a large Swiss group.
But he also said the move meant extra revenue of $500m a year and a net $1bn in new tax revenues and “that sounds like a pretty good business proposition to me”.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/155285ca-7d00-11dd-8d59-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
September 8th, 2008 at 9:41 amJohn McCain’s utter lack of judgment in his VP pick should frighten every person thinking about voting for him. If this is how he makes choices, do you really want him in charge?
Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be happening with the polls showing the race closing. For the life of me I don’t understand it. Even if the low-information voters don’t know what we know about Palin, her lack of experience should scare the hell out of them.
Why aren’t the Democrats introducing the voters to who McBush really is? Why haven’t they come out with an ad showing the low-information voters who Sarah Palin really is? What in the hell are they waiting for, divine intervention?
September 8th, 2008 at 9:41 amunbelievable Says: I remember as a kid, when Russia was our boogeyman, hearing about the outrageousness of their propaganda. Like we are ones to talk…
I said that very same thing to my wife on our way in to work this morning — we’re turning into the USSR where we have a single-party system that’s in control of the news media, and when any of the media step out of line they’re slapped down — all in the name of enriching the Politburo that’s in control of the Executive Branch (and that’s trying to stay in control with the McSame/Failin’ ticket) of our supposed government…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:42 amRice says no more trade with Cuba, despite the island’s devastation from two major hurricanes. Her reason?
Political prisoners and lack of free and fair elections
George W. just went to a similarly sinning Communist country. We have a trade deficit of $250 billion with a nation persecuting people for political reasons and only one political party.
Compassionate conservatism means “I don’t want McCain to lose the Cuban vote”.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:43 am#unbelievable Says:
The Dogfather Says: “Liberal media” my a$$…
I watch CSPAN – no talking heads. Or Jon Stewart, if I want critical commentary free from corporate censorship. :)
I wonder what MSNBC is going to do when their share of the audience during the debates turns to zip? Can you imagine sitting there listening to Gregory comment on the debates? He became a right wing shill the day he danced the Macarena with KKKarl Rove.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:45 amhenry wallace Says:
she kept the money anyway, and spent it on other projects..9:14a
The money was handed out to Alaska voters as a bribe to the tune of I think about $1200.00 per voter.
You are wrong there. The $1200.00 bribes come from the oil companies not the government pork. She spent the “Bridge to Nowhere” money on other infrastructure projects. It seems to me that she should be returning that money.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:46 amIronic that the week that the Alaska lawmakers are deciding on subpoenas or not…Palin is in Alaska !@?! Seems like the week after a convention the VP and Presidential nominee travel together. Weird. I’m POSITIVE Charlie Gibson will get to the bottom of this (note the sarcasm?)
September 8th, 2008 at 9:48 amOnce Petraues takes over the Central Command, look for Bush/Cheney and our 51st state to monkey around with Iran.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:48 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Why aren’t the Democrats introducing the voters to who McBush really is? Why haven’t they come out with an ad showing the low-information voters who Sarah Palin really is? What in the hell are they waiting for, divine intervention?
I think they have been, it just doesn’t get as much air time as the stuff the Cons throw at Obama.
CSPAN showed Obama and Biden’s speeches from this weekend and they were good. CNN only showed selected clips that were benign.
Unfortunately, you can’t reach mainstream America without air time.
I still think the polls are skewed, and that when you look at state-by-state breakdowns, with Bob Barr factored in, Obama wins pretty handily.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:48 amDRxJ Says:
More importantly:
GET OUT AND VOTE! ABSENTEE IF NECESSARY!
And if you know a student who lives in a state controlled by the Republicans, tell them to register to vote at home and ask for an absentee ballot. Then have their parents send them the ballot. It appears that students are the latest victims of Republican disenfranchisement of voters. Go to bradblog.com for the latest on this issue.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:50 amDeclaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
And their tax exempt status should just go away, the first time they endorse any political candidate. Poof!
September 8th, 2008 at 9:50 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Even if the low-information voters don’t know what we know about Palin, her lack of experience should scare the hell out of them.
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Because to way too many folks, a Presidential campaign has become what happens between summer reruns and the fall premieres of American Idol’s and Dancing With the Stars’ new seasons.
“But Sarah is so much cuter” and Obama is, well… you KNOW…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:51 amThe Dogfather Says: I said that very same thing to my wife on our way in to work this morning — we’re turning into the USSR
Remember all those Soviets who used to defect here? I hope Canada is prepared for the influx of American refugees in McCain steals the election.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:51 amtokin librul Says:
Given Obama’s obeisance to these bible-babblers, we may expect to see the continued erosion of the divide between church and state, then, no matter which candidate is “selected’ to rule us, then…
You know, I’m getting damn sick and tired of your bashing Obama based on nothing other than your unreasoned dislike of him. Just because he sees some value of faith based government programs DOES NOT mean that he doesn’t recognize the separation of church and state. Obama comes from a background of community organizing mostly through churches. He can see the value of churches being involved in helping people. I’m sure, if he keeps any kind of “faith based” programs, he will make sure that they follow the rules and don’t bring religion into what they are doing, unlike Bush who ignores it.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:52 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I wonder what MSNBC is going to do when their share of the audience during the debates turns to zip? Can you imagine sitting there listening to Gregory comment on the debates? He became a right wing shill the day he danced the Macarena with KKKarl Rove.
I don’t get MSNBC – just FOX Noise and CNN. There are, however, six sports stations, ten home shopping networks and five Jesus stations. Gotta love red state information priorities…
September 8th, 2008 at 9:56 amunbelievable Says:
The National Voter Registration Act prohibits any state from purging names from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election.
If that’s the case, then why aren’t the Democrats lawyers on this? And I certainly hope that they are doing a massive campaign to inform voters they need to contact their registrar of voters to make sure they are registered to vote.
The Republicans are disenfranchising students also.
http://bradblog.com/
This is what they are telling students in Virginia. Apparently most of what they are saying is untrue or an exaggeration. WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS? They need boots on the ground to counter these attacks.
September 8th, 2008 at 9:57 amPalin as Pastor-in-Chief
Just when you thought McSame VP choice Sarah Palin couldn’t be any worse America’s reality-based community, the Associated Press is reporting that she considers Bush’s unjust invasion of Iraq a task from her god. I suppose it make sense that anything McSame could do to rally his base would make him even more aversive to those opposed to Christian theocracy. With Palin’s statement on Iraq, we cannot help being reminded that President Bush also sees his war as having the blessing of his god.
According to the AP, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin had the following to say during an address last year to ministry students at her former church:
Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.
Perhaps even worse, Palin clearly sees herself as doing the will of her god in nearly every political task she undertakes. This is an extremely dangerous type of delusion because it leads to absolute certainty without consideration of alternative possibilities. We saw the consequences with Bush, and we’re likely to see more with McSame/Palin.
Palin also sounds increasingly dangerous to American atheists. Consider the following quote and then see how it sounds if you replace “Alaska” with “America.” Chilling.
I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded,” she added. “But really all of that stuff doesn’t do any good if the people of Alaska’s heart isn’t right with God.
I agree with Americans United for Separation of Church and State. We do not need politicians who act like national pastors; we need leaders who unite diverse individuals around policy goals.
http://www.atheistrev.com/
Tags: McSame, McCain, Sarah Palin, Palin, Iraq, Bush, theocracy, religion, church, Alaska, delusion, atheists
September 8th, 2008 at 9:57 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: If that’s the case, then why aren’t the Democrats lawyers on this? And I certainly hope that they are doing a massive campaign to inform voters they need to contact their registrar of voters to make sure they are registered to vote.
I’m surprised Howard Dean isn’t jumping on it. He’s usually on top of these things.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:01 amaceomalley7 Says:
Here’s another news flash for you folks:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Here’s a newsflash for you troll.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:02 amYou know, I’m getting damn sick and tired of your bashing Obama based on nothing other than your unreasoned dislike of him.
I don’t dislike the man. He’s probably a grand fellow, good to his wife and children.
But he’s gonna sell you/us out. Guaranteed!
That said, I don’t really give a fat rat’s dripping ass about your opinion of me and my opinions…
September 8th, 2008 at 10:05 amunbelievable Says:
Unfortunately, you can’t reach mainstream America without air time.
That’s why the Democrats need to step up their ad campaign. It’s a shame that they have to run ads to do what the MSM should be doing, but that’s the state of our country today. That’s why I am once again sending Obama money monthly.
I agree that the polls are skewed. Actually, I think they are being manipulated. But, one thing the Republicans can’t control is how many Democrats get out and vote. And one positive thing that Ms. Palin has done for the Democrats is to ensure that more people vote than might not otherwise.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:06 amA CQ a n a l y s i s finds that this year, federal lawmakers in both parties “have opposed the president far more often than at any other time since he’s been in the White House, and the erosion in support is dramatic among Republicans.” GOP House members, for example, supported Bush 94 percent of the time in 2001 and 2003, but just 63 percent in 2008.
More proof that McCain is a maverick. While GOP House members only supported Bush 63% of the time this past year, the Maverick supported Bush over 90% of the time!
September 8th, 2008 at 10:06 amtokin librul Says:
You know, I’m getting damn sick and tired of your bashing Obama based on nothing other than your unreasoned dislike of him.
I don’t dislike the man. He’s probably a grand fellow, good to his wife and children.
But he’s gonna sell you/us out. Guaranteed!
That said, I don’t really give a fat rat’s dripping ass about your opinion of me and my opinions…
Well, I guess you have your first amendment rights to being wrong. You are now on my list of trolls. But, I will challenge you each and every time you post something about Obama that is based on nothing other than your skewed mind.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:09 amU.S. Provided Combat Training To Georgian Commandos Prior to Assault
The Financial Times reports the US military provided combat training to 80 Georgian special forces commandos only months prior to Georgia’s army assault in South Ossetia in August. The training was provided by senior US soldiers and two private military contractors – MPRI and American Systems, both based in Virginia.The revelation could add fuel to accusations by Russia that the US had orchestrated the war in the Georgian enclave.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:10 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Here’s a newsflash for you troll.
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Here’s my take on all of this, Bilbo… I don’t think I’ve ever seen an electorate as splintered as this year’s. You’ve got disenchanted GOOPers, such as Eisenhower’s granddaughter, leaving the party, but you’ve also got bitter Clintonistas saying they’ll vote GOOP. You’ve got voters coming out for the first black candidate in American history and voters who’ll NEVER vote for a lack man, no matter what.
They say the Evangelicals are all a-twitter over Palin, but Obama raised nearly 8 times as much money following her speech. As far as I can tell, it’s almost impossible to tell WTF is going on right now. Fuster cluck, indeed!
September 8th, 2008 at 10:10 amAnd to my prior post, you can also add: a steep drop in registered GOOPers, a big increase in registered Dems, but ugly rumors of massive voter caging schemes in states like Ohio.
Like I said, a real fuster cluck.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:13 amDeclaring that clergy “have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.”
Yo, knock yourselves out. ;)
September 8th, 2008 at 10:16 amWell, I guess you have your first amendment rights to being wrong. You are now on my list of trolls. But, I will challenge you each and every time you post something about Obama that is based on nothing other than your skewed mind.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:09 am
WhoaH! Now I’m terrified…I better watch my mouth, hunh? Or else, what? you’ll mis-spell my name????
I think the chances of his actually getting into the oval office are slim and diminishing, but even if he does, the only changes anyone’s likely to see is in the names on the doors….
September 8th, 2008 at 10:16 amVery recent news story from the AP: MOSCOW – Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and anti-submarine patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, a deployment that comes amid increasingly tense relations with the United States
September 8th, 2008 at 10:30 amunbelievable Says
September 8th, 2008 at 9:48 am
I still think the polls are skewed, and that when you look at state-by-state breakdowns, with Bob Barr factored in, Obama wins pretty handily.
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They ARE skewed, and there are two main factors for this. First is the policy of pollsters to talk to “likely voters” — defined by their voter history — which leaves out the millions of new voters who registered to vote in the Democratic primaries. And most of them are Democrats.
Second is that most pollsters still use land lines, and will only talk to live people, not voice mail. This disproportionately skews against younger voters and people who screen their calls, leaving the older voters being the ones polled.
I have seen estimates ranging from 5 to 8 points as the amount that polls can be skewed toward McCain because of these factors.
The MSM likes the polls the way they are, though, because a perceived tight race makes for better ratings for them. So they’re not likely to rock the boat by pointing out polling discrepancies.
The problem with tight polls for us is that when the election is stolen, the polling evidence will back up the thieves. I just hope that every Obama voter will cooperate with any exit pollsters they encounter and truthfully say they voted for Obama instead of trying to mess with them. If the exit polls show a tsunami for Obama and the “official” results don’t, it makes it harder for the crooks.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:34 amKO had to leave because he was telling the truth way too often. Keith isn’t good at lying and covering up.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:36 amThis proves MSNBC doesn’t want to be balance and fair, just like faux news.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:40 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I agree that the polls are skewed. Actually, I think they are being manipulated. But, one thing the Republicans can’t control is how many Democrats get out and vote. And one positive thing that Ms. Palin has done for the Democrats is to ensure that more people vote than might not otherwise.
I saw that he raised $10 million in the days following her acceptance speech :)
If you look at CNN’s electorial map, it shows Obama signoficantly ahead in a state-by-state battle. so really, the national polls are pointless, since it’s not a national competition. Probably why no one is playing up the actual electorate polling – in that case, there’sno high-intensity drama.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:41 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.”
They’d have a lot more customers if they promoted a conference that would convert divorcing heterosexuals into non-divorcing heterosexuals, through the power of prayer :)~
September 8th, 2008 at 10:47 amRemember, most polls are adjusted to balance for party affiliation, and if the Dems are registering shitloads of new voters, that won’t be reflected in the polls…
September 8th, 2008 at 10:49 amIn a move that will spare conservatives from a politically difficult vote before the November elections, “Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”
Make them vote, DAMMIT. Get them on record AGAIN, right before Election Day.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:50 amPalin’s church, Wasilla Bible Church, is “promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.” “You’ll be encouraged by the power of God’s love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality,” reads a recent insert in the church’s bulletin describing Focus on the Family’s upcoming Love Won Out Conference in Anchorage.
What a worthwhile cause ; it’s not as if those living in poverty and/or sickness should have miracles occur for them instead , right ?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:00 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Absolutely they do. But the Internal Revenue Service has a constitutional right to withdraw their tax exempt status if they do.
But they WON’T.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:02 amOh, man. I see a lot of hating Republicans in my future, along with a whole lot of yelling at my TV.
*sigh*
September 8th, 2008 at 11:12 amDoes this conversion thing work both ways. Can it also turn heterosexual into homosexuals through the power of prayer and god’s love? If it can’t than what’s up with that all powerful bullshit?
September 8th, 2008 at 11:13 ami read in the C&L comments (old but latest thread – what’s up with them?) that KO himself requested the change… from a WASH.POST story…
look it up.
gotta go…
September 8th, 2008 at 11:14 amIn a move that will spare conservatives from a politically difficult vote before the November elections, “Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program.” Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:21 amIdiots! C’mon Dems! This is called a wedge issue and you use it to beat your opponents over the head and make them look despicable. This would be perfect for campaign season but the damn ball-less Dem’s just back away from standing up to the bullies on real issues.
Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are to progressives as O’Reilly and Glen Beck are to conservatives.
I understand the appeals to the different groups, but none are anywhere close to objectivity and don’t belong at any venue that requires at least a facade of neutrality.
MSNBC did the right thing.
September 8th, 2008 at 11:33 amI suggest we all watch nothing but KO and Matthews the rest of the year. MSNBC has told us the rest of their staff are shills for the Republican party.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pmbackedup says:
“I understand the appeals to the different groups, but none are anywhere close to objectivity and don’t belong at any venue that requires at least a facade of neutrality.”
Except for the subtle difference in that Mr. Olberman points out lying pundits and political hacks while the FAUX brigade IS the White Houses propaganda branch. The media games are not all that different from the political games:
“I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pmKeith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are to progressives as O’Reilly and Glen Beck are to conservatives.
False equation. Matthews is nominally democratic – forget about his being progressive. He said “case closed” when Powell made his UN WMD presentation, and gushed over Bush’s air-craft carrier landing. He’s a Hamptonite, with all that entails; clubbish adherence to Corporate Conventional Wisdom, Beltway backslapping for those who echo his thoughts and concerns, and unwillingness to embrace the progressive viewpoint while using their work to make himself look good.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pmbarfly. I see what you saying about Matthews in the past. But, would you agree that Olbermann is partisan.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pmRepublicans stretch the truth and sometimes say things that are just false.
But, neither party has a monopoly on the truth.
I watched Obama’s speech in Denver. In it, he said that McCain is out of touch, because he believes that the threshold for being rich in America is an annual income of 5 million dollars. He was serious – he was not joking. The problem is, that McCain was joking. And Obama knew it.
Spend the five minutes and make up your own mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo9Pgg-RAcE&feature=related
Obama was at Saddleback. He knows what McCain said in context. But, he distorted it to the American people anyway.
You really expect me to believe that Democrats have a monopoly on the truth?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pmIt’s not partisan to ask the same questions of the protected right and have the facts. It is partisan to ask softball questions and make the right look good in the face of crimes committed.
Once again you show how incredibly partisan you are.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pmNo but one party….the republicans would rather lie than tell the truth, even if the truth would be just as good. It’s a lifestyle.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI found some footage of Obama repeating the dishonest characterization of McCain’s Saddleback answer.
Starts at about 50 seconds til about the 1 minute point of the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPTpH9i5YUY
Again, he knew what McCain said at Saddleback. I’m not saying that Republican’s are honest. But, if you think that Democrats don’t stretch the true or tell out and out falsehoods; you live in fantasyland.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:47 pmRepublicans can only tell the truth IF it’s a good marketing move — and right now, the truth is not on their side.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pmYou have once again shown that you are a shill for the right as well. Anyone who thinks oliely compares to Olberaman in the field of objectivity is a person with a right wing agenda, period. You have no credibility until you start to make some kind of sense.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:49 pmI would like to add to the thread, a HAPPY BELATED 72ND BIRHTDAY TO JOHN McCAIN! Notice how much the media ignored this event as not to remind us that he is OLD! Or to not remind us that he and Bush were celebrating a past birthday of his while the coast was being hit by Katrina.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pmbackup Says:
Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are to progressives as O’Reilly and Glen Beck are to conservatives.
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Sorry, but much like McStain, Tweety is not a progressive… you really, really want to coop that word, don’t you?
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MSNBC did the right thing.
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Riiiiiiiiiiight…
“The conservative Media Research Center awarded Gregory Best White House Correspondent for coverage of Bush’s first 100 days.
Naaaaaah… ain’t gonna be any partisan bias there…
MSNBC did what they wanted to. It’s hardly up to you to decide it was “the right thing”…
Once again, ascribing the authority of judgement to yourself… well, because you have epaulets on your smoking jacket, I guess…
Are you ever NOT a sneaky, duplicitous Shi’ite?
September 8th, 2008 at 12:53 pmyou are able to disect one statement of Obama’s into a posible misrepresentation and you seriously want to compare that to the smears and lies told by the right on so many counts that they can’t be counted.
If that is the best you can do then how can you even believe what you are saying….oh yeah, you don’t.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:54 pmFred. I see how you can think I’m partisan. Maybe you’re right. But, it doesn’t really matter.
There was growing criticism of the pair (not just from me) and MSNBC decided to pull them.
Maybe I’m partisan, the growing number of complaints were partisan, and/or the management at MSNBC is also partisan.
Or maybe, Olbermann and Matthews are too partisan to be objective during election coverage.
I’ve got the occurrences at MSNBC (the complaints and removals) to back up my claims.
So far, all I have from you is your opinion.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pmIt is laughable to describe Olbermann as ‘opinionated’ when in fact everyday television stations do nothing but brainwash us all day long,using big army of talkers.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:59 pmSo many talking heads are feeding the public with varieties of stupid opinions daily from surise to midnight.
Some of these opinion makers are so boring,and empty.
Olbermann is taking the heat because he says what’s needed to be said,and his opinions are not welcomed by people in this government and the Right wingers because they prefer to see someone who is in agreement with them all the time,which is the opposite of Olbermann,or see Olbermann silenced.
Whatever backup. We know who owns these media outlets and we know what thier agenda is. If you want to put forth the idea that this happened because of complaints then you must understand that we think you are part of the problem, not the solution.
It’s the same as you saying that most Americans are conservative when you can only back that up with forged documents…..oh yeah, that’s how you prove everything…..remember the vial that powell held up at the UN?…..remember the chemical trucks? Why can’t you guys back up your lies? Oh yeah, you don’t have to.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pmI didn’t complain to MSNBC and I didn’t say that most Americans are conservative. (Although, I’ve linked current polling that shows McCain with a small lead to make the point that progressives may be overconfident of November victory).
September 8th, 2008 at 1:10 pmNearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
How many voter-registration mass mailers are “returned to sender” in the run-up to Election Day may determine how many Ohio residents are eligible to vote.
Ohio election officials are sending out a mass mailer stamped “do not forward” to all registered voters today (Sept. 5) with an absentee ballot application and other important notices for Nov. 4.
What’s important here is not so much what’s going out as what’s being returned to sender.
Unbeknownst to the would-be recipients, the same mailer — just 60 days before the election — has the potential to determine their eligibility to vote, challenged not by election officials but by partisan opposition.
A similar mailer in March netted nondeliverable mail from almost 600,000 registered voters in just five Ohio counties who could now have their ballots thrown out for voting under the wrong address.
The National Voter Registration Act prohibits any state from purging names from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election.
I think we ought to ask the UN to monitor this election!
September 8th, 2008 at 1:12 pmSee, you would rather lie than tell the truth when the truth would be just as good…..true to form.
You tried to use one questionable statement by Obama to say that the dems are just as big of liars as the right and now you want to change the reality…..big surprise there.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pmI think I said that Democrats don’t have a monopoly on the truth, not that they are as big a liars as the right.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pmWell if we are going to compare one statement to tens of thousands of deliberat lies then you might have a case…..I don’t believe the comparison is valid.
Done with you troll. Try a new invective.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pmI gave one example to make the point. I’ll bet there’s probably more than just one.
They’re politicians, my friend. The effort to paint all republicans as dishonest, while democrats courageously carry the banner of truth, is a little over the top. And as the tactic becomes more blatant, it’s much less credible.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:35 pmWhere is the media on this story? A US citizen was tortured at the RNC. He speaks out. Indy media, especially photogs, were detained and arrested, medics were targeted for abuse.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:41 pmAll republicans are dishonest. Some democrats are too but the comparison is not equal. As I said, all republicans are dishonest, period. I’m not interested in being credible with you any more than you are interested in being credible…..at all.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:45 pmUS waves goodbye to prosperity and democracy
If you were wondering what all the flag-waving at the Republican convention has been about, it is now clear. Americans are waving goodbye to the prosperity the nation has enjoyed since the Great Depression and a final goodbye to democracy.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:51 pmI think I’m interested in credibility. I agree that there are a lot of examples of Republican fabrication and deception. Maybe more than their Democrat counterparts.
But, there is plenty to go around on either side. It’s up to the individual to ferret out the fact from the fiction. You can trust neither party.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pmYou can’t trust the republicans for sure.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pmIf a known liar, a liar with credentials, tells you that you can’t trust the other guy too……well, you know.
That’s what the republicans are running on. Trying to make democrats look like they are just as bad as republicans…….they may get away with it but it’s still not true.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pmFred. After the last eight years, you’ve got a point. If Obama becomes President in January, I hope for a real change to less of the typical partisan dishonesty. (I think Obama has done relatively well, in that regard, during his campaign) But, if the past is any guide, you can understand my skepticism of both parties.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pmmisleading about a BJ is not the equivalent of 935 lies taking us into this costly war.
September 8th, 2008 at 2:43 pmMSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann
How much more obvious can we get?????
A fascism knife in the heart.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pmWe still have 5% of the radio air waves and a huge internet network.
They have TV, 95% of the radio air waves and cheating voting machines.
And even though much of the polling is done with land line phones, a tool Obama supporters most likely do not have, the score so far is:
Obama 301 McCain 224 Ties 13
The internet network will pull us through.
September 8th, 2008 at 3:18 pmThese 2 liberal attack dogs have been frothing in the mouth for too long. It’s about time!
September 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pmI dont like David Gregory , he’s just as partisan as Keith only in the other direction. Just the other day he said Palin should help Old Dude win, not as an obsevation but as his opinion. I will not watch . I cant stand him .
September 8th, 2008 at 5:06 pmMore viewers for CNN !!!!!!
Okay RightOfAttila but what should we do with those frothing folks like Hannity, Limbaugh, etal? I’ll agree that no one takes them seriously as journalists and all but a few whack jobs realize that are just sideshow shock entertainers who just say lines prepared to stir their viewers but don’t you think that shallow sort of entertainment dumbs down polite society?
September 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pmMSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, “bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral.” David Gregory will take over the anchor seat for events such as this fall’s presidential and vice presidential debates and election night.
Well, their ratings will plummet.
In a move that will spare conservatives from a politically difficult vote before the November elections, “Congressional Democrats have scrapped plans for another vote on expansion of the Children’s Health Insurance Program.” Democrats concluded “that President Bush would not sign their legislation and that they could not override his likely veto.” Bush has already twice vetoed similar legislation.
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG Mistake.
September 8th, 2008 at 8:44 pmbackup Says:
barfly. I see what you saying about Matthews in the past.
In the past?
Matthews Compares Palin To Fictional Union Organizer Norma Rae
Yup, backup, Tweety is just the O’Reilly of the left!
September 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pmSo we’re gonna shut down the remaining few somewhat liberal talkers, while we egg on and applaud the 90%+ right wing hater talkers?? With the excuse being, we can’t have bias!! My head hurts, my feet hurt. Sarah can lie, lie, lie; but Keith can’t speak the truth. Excuse me, I must have been mistaken. I thought this was the USA. I hurt everywhere, but I’ll crawl to the voting booth and hope it’s still there and they believe I am who I say I am.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:27 amMSNBC shouldn’t have removed Olbie. They just needed to remind him that there is a difference in reporting and giving his opinion. If they can get him to remember that, and to calm himself a little, he will be more of a asset than just host of Countdown.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am