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	<title>Comments on: Woodward: Bin Laden capture could be &#8216;the September or the October surprise.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5219394</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aceomalley7 Says: 

Bribery and brutality do work…
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Ignorance and stupidity don&#039;t they are boring. Go away</description>
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<p>Bribery and brutality do work…<br />
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<p>Ignorance and stupidity don&#8217;t they are boring. Go away<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5219394', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TeleMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5219270</link>
		<dc:creator>TeleMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bumper sticker:

&lt;strong&gt;Got Osama?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bumper sticker:</p>
<p><strong>Got Osama?</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5219270', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriot Acting</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218960</link>
		<dc:creator>A Patriot Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.

War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.

War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.

-GEORGE ORWELL

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. 


-H. L. Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.</p>
<p>War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.</p>
<p>War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.</p>
<p>-GEORGE ORWELL</p>
<p>The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. </p>
<p>-H. L. Mencken<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218960', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: spearNmagicHelmet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218946</link>
		<dc:creator>spearNmagicHelmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s poor form to arrest your business partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s poor form to arrest your business partner.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218946', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218898</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;aceomalley7 Says: 
Bribery and brutality do work…&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s how conservatives win elections!</description>
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Bribery and brutality do work…</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s how conservatives win elections!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218898', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: aceomalley7</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218864</link>
		<dc:creator>aceomalley7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bribery and brutality do work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bribery and brutality do work&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218864', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: toshiaki</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218856</link>
		<dc:creator>toshiaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama campaign needs to get ahead of this story *now*.  For example, get the buzz out in the media on why the Bush Admin has waited until Sep/Oct 2008 to do this?  Why have we wasted the last six years not chasing OBL like this?  Also point back to Obama&#039;s own, ridiculed position last year where he said he would chase OBL and AQ into Pakistan if that&#039;s where they were.

Reacting to this after the fast will be impossible.  Getting ahead of it is the only way to keep this from being a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama campaign needs to get ahead of this story *now*.  For example, get the buzz out in the media on why the Bush Admin has waited until Sep/Oct 2008 to do this?  Why have we wasted the last six years not chasing OBL like this?  Also point back to Obama&#8217;s own, ridiculed position last year where he said he would chase OBL and AQ into Pakistan if that&#8217;s where they were.</p>
<p>Reacting to this after the fast will be impossible.  Getting ahead of it is the only way to keep this from being a nightmare.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218856', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AmandaBlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmandaBlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! Well by the time this capture of Bin Laden is done, I have lost my house and my job.  Throw in outrageous gas prices and real $hitty economy getting worse and worse by the minute.  

A delayed capture of Bin Laden taking place sometime before Nov. elections would be so obvious.  It could also be staged.

It&#039;ll take more than that to lure people to vote republican.  GW has screwed up so royally these last 8yrs it&#039;ll take way much more to clean up his mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! Well by the time this capture of Bin Laden is done, I have lost my house and my job.  Throw in outrageous gas prices and real $hitty economy getting worse and worse by the minute.  </p>
<p>A delayed capture of Bin Laden taking place sometime before Nov. elections would be so obvious.  It could also be staged.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll take more than that to lure people to vote republican.  GW has screwed up so royally these last 8yrs it&#8217;ll take way much more to clean up his mess.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218832', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Buckie Boy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218820</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckie Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, small bit of personal info, I do special effects for movies and commercials for a living for 24 years, you can easily mock up a fake video of old OBL, too easy, little makeup here, little makeup there, some room some where and preso, you have OBL...no biggy, any amature with half a brain could do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, small bit of personal info, I do special effects for movies and commercials for a living for 24 years, you can easily mock up a fake video of old OBL, too easy, little makeup here, little makeup there, some room some where and preso, you have OBL&#8230;no biggy, any amature with half a brain could do it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218820', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cal Malenky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Malenky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then Johnnie the hero won&#039;t be able to chase him to the gates of hell. Awww.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then Johnnie the hero won&#8217;t be able to chase him to the gates of hell. Awww.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218810', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Buckie Boy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218808</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckie Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, this Mafia Government we have now, will just kill off any person who looks like him and say they got him.

It&#039;s not like they have a proven record of being honest or anything.

Duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, this Mafia Government we have now, will just kill off any person who looks like him and say they got him.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like they have a proven record of being honest or anything.</p>
<p>Duh!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218808', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sort of like Hitler, Jesus, and/or George Washington? Irrelevant and symbolic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sort of like Hitler, Jesus, and/or George Washington? Irrelevant and symbolic?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218786', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sven Ortmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven Ortmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possible reason why Bin Ladin wasn&#039;t snatched long ago is probably that nobody wants to make him a martyr.
And besides that, he&#039;s rather irrelevant today, rather a symbolic figure than someone who&#039;s really in charge of an organization.
AQ is no organization any more, it&#039;s the brand of a movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possible reason why Bin Ladin wasn&#8217;t snatched long ago is probably that nobody wants to make him a martyr.<br />
And besides that, he&#8217;s rather irrelevant today, rather a symbolic figure than someone who&#8217;s really in charge of an organization.<br />
AQ is no organization any more, it&#8217;s the brand of a movement.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ididntvoteforbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ididntvoteforbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_terrain_system

i heard that is what we are using now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_terrain_system" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_terrain_system</a></p>
<p>i heard that is what we are using now.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218724', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218696</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Bin Laden capture could be ‘the September or the October surprise.&lt;/em&gt;

That might have been effective a few years ago but today everyone&#039;s more worried about making their paychecks meet, or even getting a paycheck, to care about bin-Laden.

http://progressiveworldreview.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Bin Laden capture could be ‘the September or the October surprise.</em></p>
<p>That might have been effective a few years ago but today everyone&#8217;s more worried about making their paychecks meet, or even getting a paycheck, to care about bin-Laden.</p>
<p><a href="http://progressiveworldreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://progressiveworldreview.com</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218696', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nofltwlt</title>
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		<dc:creator>nofltwlt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, just like poachers the Bush administration would tie Bin Laden to a tree waiting for the right time to shoot him.

Poachers and Bush are equally hideous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, just like poachers the Bush administration would tie Bin Laden to a tree waiting for the right time to shoot him.</p>
<p>Poachers and Bush are equally hideous.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218688', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;stewarjt Says:
If Bin Laden is killed or captured Obama should assert that he would have done it YEARS AGO!!!&lt;/em&gt;


shouldn&#039;t they have 

done it &quot;YEARS AGO!!!!&quot;?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>stewarjt Says:<br />
If Bin Laden is killed or captured Obama should assert that he would have done it YEARS AGO!!!</em></p>
<p>shouldn&#8217;t they have </p>
<p>done it &#8220;YEARS AGO!!!!&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chocolate Jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chocolate Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call bullsh#te all this whole &quot;magic killing technology thing&quot; the pentagon is touting. it see it as a cover for a massive, multimillion dollar terrorist bribery campaign, and most likely some good, old fashioned, reagan era &quot;central america&quot; style human rights violating death squads.

im sure the pentagon has plenty of new toys thier playing around with, but to somehow chalk the relative (VERY relative)current stability in iraq up to anythign more than genuine old fashioned bribery and brutality is a mistake..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call bullsh#te all this whole &#8220;magic killing technology thing&#8221; the pentagon is touting. it see it as a cover for a massive, multimillion dollar terrorist bribery campaign, and most likely some good, old fashioned, reagan era &#8220;central america&#8221; style human rights violating death squads.</p>
<p>im sure the pentagon has plenty of new toys thier playing around with, but to somehow chalk the relative (VERY relative)current stability in iraq up to anythign more than genuine old fashioned bribery and brutality is a mistake..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218616', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stewarjt</title>
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		<dc:creator>stewarjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bin Laden is killed or captured Obama should assert that he would have done it &lt;strong&gt;YEARS AGO!!!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bin Laden is killed or captured Obama should assert that he would have done it <strong>YEARS AGO!!!</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218604', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Alecto</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/woodward-october-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-5218568</link>
		<dc:creator>Alecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>samsuncle,

NO&lt; if it serves the Repuplicunt&#039;s purposes it is OK. Please see Valeris Plmame outing, WIreless phone taps, secret everything. IOKIYAR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>samsuncle,</p>
<p>NO&lt; if it serves the Repuplicunt&#8217;s purposes it is OK. Please see Valeris Plmame outing, WIreless phone taps, secret everything. IOKIYAR<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5218568', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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