EugeneDebs Says:
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I mean everything I say but I dont DO requests. As retorts go I expected more from you a man of your education and sophistication

Yeah and frankly he is good at it. When will the left learn to avoid the tendency toward circular firing squads?
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Oooooo… it appears Gene DID mean it. Puleeeeease allow me to retort…

Hey, Gene… UUUUUUUPPPPPP YOUUUUUUUUUURS!!!!

Later…

ROS was just being his snarky self… NO?
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Yes… I’m gonna assume Gene didn’t mean that.

Sven is a troll, or sure acts like one a lot of the time, like on the Hannity thread above this one, from earlier in the day.

I simply have NO use for trolls, especially glib, snide twits like backdoor. Love the smoking jacket, BTW, but aren’t the epaulets and medals a bit much?

ROS was just being his snarky self… NO?
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Yeah and frankly he is good at it. When will the left learn to avoid the tendency toward circular firing squads?

Good gawd… could Sven Ortman possibly be much dumber?
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Sure he could sound like YOU.

The progressive answer to troop deaths in Iraq was withdrawal, not a surge.
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The progressive view was we shouldnt have troops dying in Iraq because we never had any morally justifyable reason for being there in the first place.

Obama (and McCain) wants additional troops in Afghanistan

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ the-trail/ 2008/ 07/ 20/ obama_urges_increase_in_us_for.html

Do progressives here agree that more troops in Afghanistan is the answer?

(I support the additional troops)

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Only if it is part of a larger strategy that goes beyond just keep killing all the brown ones and God can sort them out. IF we couple attacking ON THE GROUND the Taliban strongholds WITH building roads, schools, and hospitals. Attempting to build REAL ground up democracy I would support more troops especially if that means less dropping of bombs from great heights and doing what is necessary to lessen indiscriminate deaths. Putting a WHOLE LOT of resources into REAL intelligence as part of that kind of larger strategy, trying to win over the reasonable and moderate Afghanis, making it clear it is a war on Al Queda and the Taliban and NOT on Islam a I would support more troops ONCE WE have them extricated from Iraq.

I believe that the Afghanistan war is based on too many questionable assumptions anyway, like

- Taliban will regain power in Afghanistan without our opposition (Why? They’re not the only power there!)

- Taliban would host AQ again (Why? We could repeat the 2001/02 invasion any time!)

- Afghanistan as safe haven would benefit AQ (why? AQ seems to be fine in Pakistan since years and it has turned into a movement’s brand rather than an organization anyway!)

The Western troops in Afghanistan actually fuel the Taliban’s jihad recruitment rive. Jihad against the other Muslim factions in the Afghanistan civil war would draw much less recruits.

Obama (and McCain) wants additional troops in Afghanistan

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/20/obama_urges_increase_in_us_for.html

Do progressives here agree that more troops in Afghanistan is the answer?

(I support the additional troops)

Wait till the Afghan Surge starts…

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By the way, where is Osama bin Laden? I think our troops must be wondering why they are over there…