McCaskill: ‘Sarah Palin Has Been An Earmark Queen In Alaska. That’s The Facts.’
McCaskill: ‘Sarah Palin Has Been An Earmark Queen In Alaska. That’s The Facts.’
This week on “The View,” Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that Sarah Palin had never requested earmarks as governor. Today on ABC’s “This Week,” campaign spokeswoman Carly Fiorina repeated the lie, claiming Palin did not request earmarks for Alaska:
FIORINA: Sarah Palin as governor stood up and said, I know earmarks are corrupting. We must ask for less of them–
STEPHANOPOLOUS: But she still requested them.
FIORINA: As governor she did not. [...]
MCCASKILL: Sarah Palin has been an earmark queen in Alaska. That’s the facts.
Stephanopolous corrected Fiorina when she falsely claimed that Palin had “rejected the money for the Bridge to Nowhere.” Watch it:
As ThinkProgress has documented, Palin has aggressively pursued earmark funding for her state as governor, requesting nearly $750 million in federal funds, “by far the largest per-capita request in the nation.” Just last March, Palin wrote an op-ed in the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, explaining that her “role at the federal level is simply to submit the most well-conceived earmark requests we can.”
Fiorina’s assertion that it is a “fact” that Palin “rejected the money for the Bridge to Nowhere” is wrong. Once Congress removed the designation for the bridge from the earmark, Palin took the money and redirected it to other projects.
As Keith Ashdown, chief investigator for the watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense, pointed out, Palin’s constant claim to have said “thanks but no thanks” to the bridge earmark is simply a lie: “To say ‘thanks but no thanks’ would imply that they didn’t take the money. And they got every dime of it.”
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September 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pmFiorina continues to demonstrate why she was so despised at HP — she cannot tell the truth, she is a politician now in the worst sense of the word.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:08 pmPalin is the Imelda Marcos of Earmarks!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:09 pmNote at the end when Stephanopolous states Queen Palin of Earmarks said no the the bridge , but kept the cash. Carla Foirina dodges answering the question and goes on message which ignores answering the question.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pmSomeone need to send an e-mail addressed to Ex-Senator
September 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pmPHILL GRAMM:
SUBJECT : A whiner has been found.
Name: CARLY FIORINA
I don’t understand why the Obama surrogates are having such a tough time enunciating “just the facts, ma’am”
Palin campaigned on the bridge to nowhere (2006) after congress pulled the funding (2005)
Palin has requested, and received, more earmarks per capita than any town or state in history of the nation
Palin hired lobbyists as mayor and as governor to get as many earmark dollars as possible
Palin kept the phu*cking bridge money anyway, wasted approx. $20 million building a gravel road to the bridge that never was
Both McStain and Palin are LIARS
KISS, Dems!
PEACE
September 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pmIs there any truth to Fiorina’s statement that Obama sought more earmark money that Palin? She was acting as if Palin’s requests for earmarks were but a drop in the bucket compared to the amount Obama has procured.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pmI’m waiting for somebody in the McCain/Palin camp to claim that the federal money Palin begged for and got isn’t “earmarks” — and then dream up some other cute name for it. Like “infrastructure subsidies” or “progress stimulus payments” or something.
My head is still reeling from Palin’s “explanation” that the difference between HER earmarks and everybody else’s is that SHE was above-board in her requests whereas everybody else got theirs under the table. Is anybody actually idiotic enough to believe this crapola?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pmThe McNumbNuts/Failin’ Palin ticket is running around screaming “pick us — we can do things right” (Management 101). There are two things wrong with their claim.
First of all, their records contradict their claim.
Second, the presidential election is about “finding the right things to do” (Leadership 101). In other words, it’s about leadership, not management. They are clueless about this — they have no acceptable priorities, vision or direction to offer this country other than those which have failed us for the past eight years.
Obama/Biden can own the leadership debate and they need to elevate the conversation to this level.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pmI’m waiting for the MSM to hammer home the fact that Queen Palin of Earmarks was for the bridge as long as the Feds footed the entire bill. Once they pulled out and said, here’s all the money you’re gonna get, you have to cough up the rest outta your own funds, that’s when she was against it. Lucky for her, it happened at the same time Ted Stevens hung himself out to dry.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 pmHow come no one has noted that you can “earmark a pig”. When I raised pigs, I didn’t need to as I had less than 2 dozen so I could easily tell them apart.
Tahut is observant and correct
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 pmTahut Says:
Is there any truth to Fiorina’s statement that Obama sought more earmark money that Palin?
It’s the amount per capita that matters.
There are approx. 660,000 people in the entire state of Alaska
There are approx. 12,800,000 people in Illinois
In other words, the state of Illinois has 20 times more people than the state of Alaska.
Apples and oranges… from the GOP fruitcakes.
PEACE
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 pmI bet the Cons are shocked that we liberals are standing up to them. They have been so used to getting away with thiir lies and being blindly supported by the media.
Kudos to the internet organizations, bloggers, and posters who have not remained silent! The Republicans are desperate because their reign of terror is going to end in 4 short months!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pmTahut Says: Is there any truth to Fiorina’s statement that Obama sought more earmark money that Palin?
There isn’t. Per capita, Alaska ranks HIGHEST in earmarks and taking Federal money.
It’s simply another lie.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:24 pmmisshusseinmolly Says: Is anybody actually idiotic enough to believe this crapola?
Yes, but fortunately, 23% isn’t enough for them to win the election :)
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
My head is still reeling from Palin’s “explanation” that the difference between HER earmarks and everybody else’s is that SHE was above-board in her requests whereas everybody else got theirs under the table. Is anybody actually idiotic enough to believe this crapola?
Great point, MissM! Especially since a governor cannot insert an earmark into a congressional bill, it must be done by that state’s congressperson or senator.
Let’s see… Alaska… Ted Stevens? Don Young? Yes, those are some above-board congress folks!
And she told Gibson that her requests for research dollars came from “institutes”, implying that these are non-profit educational entities, when, in fact, they are coming from commercial fishing “research” facilities. An industry that her husband works in. Hmmmm…
PEACE
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm@Tom
Just a friendly critique:
1) First of all, their records contradict their claim.
Queen Palin of earmarks said in her interview with Cahrlie Gibson that the American people don’t want politicians with big, fat resumes of accomplishments.
2) Second, the presidential election is about “finding the right things to do”
Queen Palin of Earmarks firmly believes that politicians should be unblinkingly focuses at all times on doing the right thing. Having to search for solutions subtracts from the focus thingy.
It seems the repug$ have their eyes focused on a particular section of the voting public that don’t believe reasoning and thinking are prerequisites for the job.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pmTahut Says
September 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Is there any truth to Fiorina’s statement that Obama sought more earmark money that Palin? She was acting as if Palin’s requests for earmarks were but a drop in the bucket compared to the amount Obama has procured.
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Palin is comparing apples to oranges and hoping nobody will notice.
First, she is comparing the amount of earmarks she has “accepted” to the amount of earmarks Obama has “requested”, which is about three times what Obama actually got approved.
Second, not all earmarks Obama requests are for his home state. He has requested earmarks for projects he considers worthwhile at the national level, or wherever they may be. This is one of the things that Senators do (but not Governors).
And then, of course, there’s the “per-capita” difference between Illinois and Alaska, which Palin never seems to figure in.
Oh, and let’s not forget that Obama’s “nearly a billion in earmarks” (which was actually about three quarters of a billion) was over the space of three years. Palin hasn’t even been Governor that long.
So yeah — there’s some “truth” to the statement that “Obama sought more earmark money than Palin”. But the statement has about as much validity as pointing out that a long-haul trucker consumes more fuel annually than the person who purchases the goods he hauls.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pmToday’s talking heads line up: “Lying Liars and the media who love them.”
September 14th, 2008 at 12:33 pmmisshusseinmolly,
I thought I had one too many cognacs when I heard that. Glad to know I was still semi-sober!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pmIn Sarah Palin’s own words, from an op-ed she publisher in March of this year:
This year, we have requested 31 earmarks, down from 54 in 2007. Of these, 27 involve continuing or previous appropriations and four are new requests. The total dollar amount of these requests has been reduced from approximately $550 million in the previous year to just less than $200 million.
By my calculations, Sarah Palin admits to seeking “almost” $750 million. In earmarks. In TWO YEARS,
Yeah, some “reformer”.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pmunbelievable and spencers mom,
Thanks for the update! I wknew that Alaska was the leading sow in the pork barrel, but wasn’t sure about Obama.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pmFor a llama you are pretty good with that calculator. Isn’t there some sort of evangelical rule against mathematics on a Sunday?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pmBear in mind that Carly Fiorina, dismissed by the board of directors of Hewlett-Packard for he demonstrated incompetence, is seriously positioned for a cabinet post in the McCain administration.
These people MUST be stopped!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pmFiorina is still a liar. She screwed up a great company and is now looking to help screw this country even more. Believe NOTHING she says. She is utterly devoid of honesty.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm#26
September 14th, 2008 at 12:40 pmHi!
Don’t you wanna say from rather than for? Just wondering. Don’t you have to G2G?
There are two issues here. Or rather, one issue and one non-issue.
The issue is the McCain campaign’s willingness to lie to create a narrative that isn’t supported by reality. In that sense, the earmark crap is important and shows that Sarah Palin is hardly the “breath of fresh air” that they’re trying to sell her as.
The non-issue is earmarks themselves. It’s a McCain non-issue, something he has cooked up to sell himself as a “reformer”. How big an issue is it for government spending? Let’s see…
In FY 2008, earmarks accounted for $15 billion in spending. In other words, a little more than half of one percent of teh total budget.
or, put another way, about what we spend EVERY FIVE WEEKS in Iraq.
Yeah, Big John’s sure gonna be able to pay for his tax cuts for the wealthy with that savings. Good luck with that.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pmthat carly’s a big pill…
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pmmisshusseinmolly, you’re a Fountain of Wisdom!
So Queen Palin of Earmarks requests for earmarks are only local and regional in nature, whereas Obama’s includes those same areas as well as the national arena that serves the good of the entire nation. Most excellent! Thanks!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pmCopano_Texian Says:
For every dollar of tax that Alaska sends to Washington, D.C., about $1.83 flows back. That is the comparison. What don’t you understand about that?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm“Is there any truth to Fiorina’s statement that Obama sought more earmark money that Palin?”
Here’s what bugs me:
Alaska just disbursed $1.2 billion in what they call a Permanent Fund Dividend for their oil revenues. Each citizen got roughly $3200 on 9/11 – I know she most likely picked it for its effect. If you are a family a four you get roughly $13,000. Its not difficult to figure out why she’s so popular. Alot of Alaskans will use the money to pay for bills. But, the retail stores are also racking up big screen TV sales this weekend.
So, we pay for their investment while they spend their oil income on pure consumption goods. That makes no sense to me. Michael Kinsley pointed out that net net Alaska in 2005 – the latest numbers – received more tax dollars than it sent to Washington.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pmTahut Says: Thanks for the update! I wknew that Alaska was the leading sow in the pork barrel, but wasn’t sure about Obama.
I think Conservatives have given earmarks a bad name because the find ALL federal funding to be unacceptable. They really don’t understand that some of these earmarks are valid and benefit the American people when they fund intrastructure, new national parks, etc.
That’s the problem with an abaolutistic mindset…
September 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm“So freaking what”?
I’ll tell ya “so freaking what”;
McSame is the one campaigning against earmarks. He’s the one who tried to sell Sarah Palin as some “anti-earmark reformer”, in the face of massive evidence to the contrary.
THAT is what’s “so freaking what”.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pmI sense a train wreck coming on.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pmMcCain’s adviser Nancy P. on CNN with Wolf Blitzer this morning changed the meme to be that she took less earmark money than her predecessor, that she reduced the earmarks of the state…. watch for this slight shift in message, but it appears you have dueling messages this morning about earmarks.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN, most Congress-critters I know go out of their way to get them for projects in their states so the State doesn’t have to raise taxes on the citizens. Except for McCain.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pmSorry stupid troll but, Ms. Palin didn’t “kill the bridge”. What actually happened is that the bridge was “killed” by the legislature and Ms. Palin is trying to take credit. That’s what honest people call a “lie”. Look it up.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pmCopano_Texian Says: so Palin took the money, she could have used it for the bridge, but she killed the bridge and used the money on other projects. The US government takes tons of tax money out of Alaska for oil and gas, and Alaskans would like to see some of that money back in their state, so freaking what.
First you need to PROVE your claim, which is incorrect. It’s the opposite. Alaska taxes the oil they send to the lower 48 so that we generate 89% of their tax revenues. Not the other way around as you falsely claim.
Secondly, Alaskans only pay $5K per person n Federal taxes, but take $15k per person in Federal funds. They TAKE 3 times more than they pay, on top of the earmarks.
Thirdly, the biggest problem is the hypocrisy. McCain claims to be against earmarks, but Palin took them. Far more than her state puts into the pot.
You might wanna learn something rather than lie. It’s making you conservatives disliked more than you already are.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pmBig competing rallies in Alaska yesterday, both for and against Palin… For pictures that will encourage you, please check out this blog:
http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com
September 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pmShe took Alaska’s money for Alaskans, like I said, so what? As for Alska getting $1.83 back for every dollar, I would bet that is not money paid by corporations or taxes on oil and gas, just federal taxes on private income. How much tax from oil and gas does New Jersey pay, or Delaware? I bet nothing, they don’t help with energy, they just use what other states, REDSTATES produce then complain about the prices. Enjoy your $6 a gallon gas this week, you don’t want to help, so pay up suckers.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pmSo now we know why the price of gas jumped so quickly! Queen Palin of Earmarks has only been in office(governor) for 20 months. And when the the price of gas start going up?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pmA minor disagreement, unbelievable. “Conservatives” object to federal dollars going to help people. If the funds are used to drop bombs on foreigners though, they are all for it.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:55 pmWe have a name for that where I come from. It’s called THEFT!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm“so pay up suckers”
This is silly….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pmConsidering McCain wanted Lieberman, I wonder what he’s thinkng right now?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pmStill don’t get it stupid troll? Let’s try the simple version.
Sarah Palin lies. She lies in every statement she makes. She lies more than Flippy McSpin. She is ethically unqualified for office and anyone who would choose her is unqualified to make decisions. Get it?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pmThe feds get money for every drop of oil and cubic foot of gas pumped out of the ground, that’s the money I’m talking about. If you don’t know about that, it’s your own fault for not knowing where or how the energy you use is produced. They take this money, from states like Alaska and Texas and send it to blue staes who don’t want to help produce energy, like California. If you don’t want to help produce energy, or refine oil and gas, then shut up and pay up. By the way Texas produces more wind power than any other state as well, so greenies, put up or shut up.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pmShe has repeatedly claimed “I said, ‘Thanks but no thanks”.
This is a lie.
That is what’s “so what”. Being a right-winger, we recognize that you don’t object to being lied to (in fact, it seems that what you actually object to is being told the truth) but most of us prefer the our politicians not lie so much.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:01 pmFiorina is a pathological liar, and a thief.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:02 pm“Not knowing where or how the energy you use is produced”… now, who does that remind me of…?
Oh yeah…
“FactCheck.org points out, Palin’s claim about Alaska producing 20 percent of America’s domestic energy supply is “not true. Not even close.” In fact, “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent.”
Palin lies. All. The. Time.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:03 pmLibertyLover Says: Big competing rallies in Alaska yesterday, both for and against Palin… For pictures that will encourage you, please check out this blog: http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com
Clearly, the Newsweek/FOX/Gallup/USA TODAY/CNN polls attempting to lie about the closeness of this race don’t understand that We the People now have valid ways of getting the Revolution broadcast!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Bottom line, Palin killed the bridge, she had the money could have built the bridge, she didn’t, she didn’t lie, you guys are the liars. Your own post at the top of the page says this, read it again. LOL. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pmLooks like we have another Trollette’s Syndrome outbreak here today. Things have been pretty quiet on that front lately so it’s hard to complain too much.
Actually, it is sometimes good to have an idiot like c_texian display his ignorance here. It reminds us of the utter stupidity from the McNumbNuts/Failin’ Palin camp that needs to be overcome. Luckily, these morons are in the minority and even they will realize it after November 4.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pmShe did lie. Everyone knows she lied. She didn’t kill the bridge. Congress killed the bridge, and she took the money anyway.
She didn’t save the taxpayers a dime.
Insisting otherwise over and over again doesn’t make it come true.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pmCopano_Texian Says: She took Alaska’s money for Alaskans, like I said, so what?
No, she took OUR money, not Alaska’s! Do you need us to type more slowly so you can get it?
Blue states like California have more people than Alaska, so they actually pay more Federal taxes, which red states like Alaska are willing to take MORE than they give. Not fiscally conservative by anyone’s definition.
By the way, California does produce energy. You really should go do some research, like we do, before you pen your mouth and prove yourself ingornat to a lot of people who know the truth because we aren’t lazy and just make up a load of sh!t like you Conservatives do.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pmThey take this money, from states like Alaska and Texas and send it to blue staes who don’t want to help produce energy, like California.
Like there are no oil wells in California…
Does your mama let you go out at night, being so uninformed? How do you cross the street?
California gives more than they get in tax revenues, silly.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pm“Bottom line, Palin killed the bridge”
This is super funny to me but I can’t explain exactly why.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pmpete Says: A minor disagreement, unbelievable. “Conservatives” object to federal dollars going to help people. If the funds are used to drop bombs on foreigners though, they are all for it.
I stand corrected :)
September 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pmTexas Coprolite: “I know you are, but what am I.”
Thanks, but no thanks for the liar to nowhere.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:11 pmI think it might be that it reminds me of Ferris Bueller’s “You killed the car”
September 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pmWhen people use phrases like “Bottomline, you can be assured their argument lacks backup
Egad this is a stupid troll. One more time…
Ms. Palin did not “kill the bridge”. Every time someone says she “killed the bridge” it’s a lie. Get it?
September 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pmdumb liar. We produce 3% of the worlds oil and use 70+%, does that sound like the “red” states are doing anything to help?
The oil we use is imported and the oil Alaska produces is largly exported…..Alaska doesn’t even make it available to the US exclusivly because they can make more money by selling it to other countries.
patriot and energy guru you are not.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pmCopano_Texian Says: The feds get money for every drop of oil and cubic foot of gas pumped out of the ground, that’s the money I’m talking about.
The citizens of Alaska get $3200 a year for living there due to windfall taxes on the oil corporations, who made billions in record profits this year. The Federal treasury is several TRILLION in debt. They are the only ones NOT making a profit off oil in Alaska, as you keep falsely claiming.
As for energy production in California:
Stop lying!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm“LOL. Like shooting fish in a barrel.”
Wanna go fishing? Using hooks I think I might still catch more than your gun toting technique…
September 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pmCopano_Texian Says:
Dumbest
September 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pmtroll
ever.
“Bottom line, Palin killed the bridge”
Are we playing bullshit, good. Bullshit!
In the Governor’s full press release here on 9/21/2007 she said:
She is clearly saying the federal government will not finance the full cost of the bridge. So we have to look at other solutions. She then went on to imply that the value of the BtN had been mischaracterized as pork.
Shooting dead fish in a barrel is not killing it. She’s not saying thanks but no thanks. She saying damn we can’t afford it now that the Gubment is not paying for it. The welfare queen as Governor. Reagan would have loved her!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pmY’know, we should give the Coprophile some credit. At least it’s sticking around here to… well, I was gonna say defend its views, but it’s really not doing that, is it? It’s more just insisting over and over that its views are correct, all the voluminous evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
Still, it deserves some credit for the effort.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pmCopano_Texian Says: Bottom line, Palin killed the bridge, she had the money could have built the bridge, she didn’t,
That’s right. Instead she kept the money and built a road to where the bridge would have gone.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pmThe Bridge project was killed,but the Federal Government’s millions of dollars for the project remained in Alaska for Sarah to spend and now Sarah says she told Washington “Thanks, but No thanks to Bridge to Nowhere’.
Really Hilarious.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pmCalifornia also produces more oil than Texas and Alaaka! See, troll, you are the liar here!
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/index.cfm
September 14th, 2008 at 1:26 pmYou figure these cons would learn that if they don’t fact check, or vet, that we will.
How freaking lazy must you be to think it takes too much eneregy to google? Sheesh!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:29 pmMore evidence of the Coprophile’s stupidity (or is it just base ignorance?)
In 2007, Alaska produced 722,000 barrels of crude oil a day.
California produced 594,000.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pmCalifornia Quick Facts
California ranks third in the Nation in refining capacity and its refineries are among the most sophisticated in the world.
California’s per capita energy consumption is low, in part due to mild weather that reduces energy demand for heating and cooling.
California leads the Nation in electricity generation from non-hydroelectric renewable energy sources, including geothermal power, wind power, fuel wood, landfill gas, and solar power. California is also a leading generator of hydroelectric power.
California imports more electricity from other States than any other State.
In 2000 and 2001, California suffered an energy crisis characterized by electricity price instability and four major blackouts affecting millions of customers.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/state_energy_profiles.cfm?sid=CA
September 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pmI’d like to second #72. Well done Copano_Texian.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:34 pmNicely done, unbelievable.
I went for the simplistic California terrestrial production, which is not far behind Alaska’s, thinking that this would embarrass the coprophiliac troll (who, again, does show admirable resiliance) or at least completely discredit whatever authority it had left.
You went for the knockout blow. Kudos to you.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:34 pmPalin is there to distract us. She is the honey pot that the bees swarm to.
This site is stuck in the mud right now.
Palin is a prop. A prop created by Karl Rove. We should all start recognizing how we’re being manipulated and begin to just ignore it.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pmralph. Coprophagy has it’s place especially in an ecosystem in which resources are scarce.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pmI knew I could count on you, dbadass, to help me recognize accomplishment in trolldom. I think we both have a healthy respect for the effort they put out.
Just because they’re stupid doesn’t mean we shouldn’t applaud them when they toe-kick one between the goal posts, does it? Even if they keep trying to move the goal posts, it’s still an accomplishment.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:38 pmIndeed. My dogs engage in it all the time, and they’re well-fed. So it must serve some evolutionary purpose.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pmPalin is a leech, a lamprey on Obama. Their talking heads attach the Palin blood sucker to Barack on nearly every question.
Inexperience? It’s still more than Obama’s.
Earmarks? Fewere than Obama’s
Reform? Not much, but more than Obama’s
Repugnicants are using her like Kryptonite. I hope the public sees through the sham.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pmAllow me to amend:
In 2007, Alaska produced 722,000 barrels of crude oil a day.
California produced 594,000.
Imagine how much California could produce if it really wanted to help produce energy.
(Damn, I hate it when I think of a good line too late.)
September 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pmSarah says: “Every time I lie, an angel gets his wings.”
PEACE
September 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pmralph the wonder llama Says: You went for the knockout blow. Kudos to you.
Thanks! I do have an advantage. I used to be one. So, I know their weak spots (the brain) :)
September 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pmAlaska used to be a nice place, before the invasion of oil maggots and the religious money grubbers that followed the money.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pmActually ralph, the troll is attempting to toe kick the goalposts over the ball.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pmI guess that is quite a feat and hard on the feet. Heh
http://wyden.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=302677
Senator R. Wyden of Oregon questioning why natural gas produced in Alaska is shipped to Japan instead,while it is very much needed in this country.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pmPalin is there to distract us. She is the honey pot that the bees swarm to.
Agreed. She should not be drawing our attention away from McNumbNuts. After all, the democrats beat Agnew in the 60’s and Quayle in the 80’s. We just unfortunately didn’t beat Nixon or Poppy Bu$h.
We can’t let that happen again.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pmMaybe the media is starting, just starting, to take Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton’s advice last night on SNL: “grow a pair, or borrow mine.”
September 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pmAlthough they let a few things out to give themselves credibility, on the whole the media belongs to the right. They will do what they must do to get mccain elected. That is what they are getting paid for.
This is a huge battle against all odds for the democrats. The right has sucessfully taken over all forms of media used by most Americans to get their facts.
They achieved this well over 10 years ago and they have been prolific every since.
They have, I believe, sucessfully framed the progressives as weak and damaging to the US. This is our own fault. We allowed it to happen.
When did we rally behind one of our own in a crunch?
Jimmy Carter when the gop sucessfully framed the nixon recession around Carters neck?
Bill Clinton when newt was hacking him apart?
Hillary when she tried to get us decent health care?
Al Gore when he was belittled and slandered in 2000?
John Kerry when the swiftboaters were spreading thier lies?
The one thing the republicans have and it works is unity even when their man is wrong.
We can’t even unite behind one that is right, repeatedly.
If mccain wins this election then we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Most independants would swing our way if we did not let the republicans define us. The only way we can do that is to stand together, united against them.
I see more infighting among progressives now than ever and it is working to get us defeated. The ugly primary and it’s lasting effect are a prime example.
Why is Hillary not taking on palen? Because we are not united as a party and she doesn’t feel like a member of the team…..and is probably bitter and with some good reason.
How can we unite our country when we can’t even unite our party?
September 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pmAgnew in lipstick.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pmCopano_Texian Says:
Tp wants it both ways, so Palin took the money, she could have used it for the bridge, but she killed the bridge and used the money on other projects. The US government takes tons of tax money out of Alaska for oil and gas, and Alaskans would like to see some of that money back in their state, so freaking what. You prove with this post that it is TP who is not telling the truth about the bridge. The earmark would have made the money be spent on the bridge, removing the earmark put it at Palin and the states discretion, she killed the bridge by spending the money other places. You are the liars. LOL.
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YOU are so weak and pathetic that if you had any decency you would be embarassed. She TOOK THE MONEY and CLAIMED that she told Congess no thanks. Now we get that a dishonest wingnut like you doesnt CARE that she lies but you go further. She WAS GIVEN THE MONEY and WHINED that it wasnt enough to fully cover the bridge THAT is why she killed it. There would be no FURTHER money coming for it so she TOOK THE MONEY and used it on other things. Fine that is how the game is played but she is now LYING and pretending that though her state gets more earmark money than any state per capita that SHE DOESNT PLAY THAT GAME. You are a disgustingly dishonest poster without a hint of decency.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pmhttp://mudflats.wordpress.com/ Saturday the Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was held, 1400 people were there with signs. Go here to see lots of pictures. Far more people showed up for this rally then the one for Sarah in the morning where she spoke, or lied, take your pick. Spread the word.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:26 pmCopano_Texian Says:
Tp wants it both ways, so Palin took the money, she could have used it for the bridge, but she killed the bridge and used the money on other projects. The US government takes tons of tax money out of Alaska for oil and gas, and Alaskans would like to see some of that money back in their state, so freaking what. You prove with this post that it is TP who is not telling the truth about the bridge. The earmark would have made the money be spent on the bridge, removing the earmark put it at Palin and the states discretion, she killed the bridge by spending the money other places. You are the liars. LOL.
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Ah NO YOU ARE THE MORON. My God you are stupider than dirt. Alaskan wells produced 263.6 million barrels of oil in 2007. California’s 2007 total oil production was 243.2 million barrels (666,000 barrels a day) So much for your ignorant hivemind talking point you imbecile. Also California LEADS THE NATION in both wind AND solar generated energy. You are such a stupid punk. You call US liars because as usual YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Why do you even come here? Does it make you feel good to make such a fool out of yourself and parade your ignorance around as if it impressed anybody?
Copano_Texian Says:
Bottom line, Palin killed the bridge, she had the money could have built the bridge, she didn’t, she didn’t lie, you guys are the liars. Your own post at the top of the page says this, read it again. LOL. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
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She SAID she told Congress no thanks BUT TOOK THE MONEY YOU MORON. She SNIVELLED that she couldnt build the bridge. You are a liar AND a fool. You arent shooting anything you are making a fool out of yourself and if you had an ounce of decency you would be embarassed to be so achingly ignorant
September 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pmFred:
Why is Hillary not taking on palen? Because we are not united as a party and she doesn’t feel like a member of the team…..and is probably bitter and with some good reason.
Forgive me, Fred, but your take on the situation is incorrect in one major respect: Hillary has built up enourmous capital within the party, and her performance at the convention was flawless – she is in the near-exact position that Dean was in, after losing in the primaries. She can in essence write her own ticket, legislatively speaking, and is now the Senate Bigfoot. If this were a football game, we would be using her formidable talents as a blocker: she would be the perfect foil to Leiberman, and Crackerbarrel Graham.
We should start a “Hillary for Senate leader” campaign; she’d be unstoppable in that position, and the republican senators would have to watch their rhetoric closely, or risk having their past Palin comments thrown back in their moralizin’ mugs.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:58 pmStephanopolous is really a lousy talking head. First he said “Sarah Palin stopped the bridge to nowhere but kept the money”. The first part of that statement is untrue. Sarah Palin did not stop the money for the bridge, the Congress did. The second half of his statement was true, but he allowed Carly to run off in the mouth in a different direction and she never addressed the issue. I wonder if these McBush sycophants will ever tire of telling lies for the Republican party.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pmThe other thing that Stephanopolous should have done would have been to point out that sure, Obama has asked for more earmarks than Palin, considering the fact that Illinois has 10 times as many people as Alaska. When you divide the earmarks by the number of people, I believe Alaska comes to $320 per person and Illinois comes to $22 per person.
Once again, Stephanopolous is a lousy interviewer.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pmFiorina demonstrated her moral corruption while at HP and she continues her downward spiral into just another Repugnant liar for money and power. Her parents would have been very proud.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pmSeriously, everyone, write to Senator McCain and tell him how disappointed you are in his Vice Presidential Pick from Nowhere. He cannot believe that this person is qualified to take over his duties when (not “if”) he must invoke the 25th Amendment and turn over power to her, however temporarily. (Maybe until he’s out of the recovery room following cancer surgery? You know he’s going to have to do it some time.) Link to contact form available in post. Thank you.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:08 pmIt’s so interesting that the VP has a history of controlling earmarks and spending and making executive decisions and yet this is the first election in my memory where it’s come up so prevailently. I wonder how McCain was going to make an executive decision without plallalalin. I also wonder what good she would do with all that executive experience if the VP isn’t part of the Executive Branch. I don’t know, the VP has to cast votes periodically to break ties, but mayors and governors don’t vote on legislation, do they?
September 14th, 2008 at 3:32 pmIt is “special” that this Bush rabid supporter/contributor is allowed to pass herself off as a disaffected democrat. She is a liar trained in newspeak. All the bobblehead automatons are programmed to lie straight faced, but more importantly filibuster. Measure the time on ANY of these fraudulent point-counterpoints and the dark side dominates.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pmI would boycott a show rather than validate a Rove whore like that.
I appreciate what you are saying barfly and I agree but where is Hillary? You don’t think she could help us right now?
This palen thing could be put to rest by Hillary and we could put the focus back on mccain where it belongs.
You seem to have missed the point of my post and have zero’d in on Hillary, it was just an example and it’s hard to miss the fact that she is no where to be seen.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:49 pmPierre Tristam today at commondreams.org:
“…But to succeed, deception needs a receptive audience. It needs the incurious, the unquestioning, the toadying. The effectiveness of the lies, in a year when comatose fleas should capably beat the shrewdest Republican, is telling — not about the candidates’ venality, but about the electorate’s want: This isn’t an election about change. It’s an election about extending the denial that made the last eight years possible. Many Americans, maybe most, want to convince themselves that America’s moral authority and example is undiminished despite the last eight years. (And who can blame them? Who doesn’t wish it weren’t so?) The last thing those brave Americans want is change. They want leadership that validates their delusion. Palin-McCain is their narcotic bridge to nowhere.”
September 14th, 2008 at 3:50 pmThis talking point has been repeated may times (and it usually goes by without any retort from an Obama surrogate):
Obama has never bucked his party.
The proper response should be:
Americans agree with Democrats on the Iraq War, abortion, immigration, the economy, taxes, health care, education, social security, the environment, etc. so Obama doesn’t have too much to buck his party on. On the other hand, McCain has had many chances to buck a party that’s on the wrong side of almost every issue and to move into the mainstream but he’s chosen to stick with Bush 90 percent of the time. In fact, he’s moved further out of the mainstream to appease the far right during this election season.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI wish some reporter would point out that we must eliminate 407,000 million-dollar earmarks in order to balance our budget (FY ending this month). And say that there ain’t 407,000 million-dollar earmarks. There is a nearly Trillion-dollar military budget. There is $175 billion every year in corporate welfare. There are 2/3rds of corporations paying NO taxes. There are billionaires paying 7-10% federal tax. Etc., etc.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pmKeith, I fear that Pierre Tristam may be right. Rembember, you get the domocracy you deserve.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pmsatirev,
From “wiki answers”: “Sarah Palin received her bachelor’s degree (B.A.) in journalism after transferring five times in six years: Hawaii Pacific University, North Idaho College, University of Idaho, Matanuska-Susitna College, University of Idaho again. None of the colleges have entry requirements.”
They can’t count. It adds up to FOUR transfers. It’s unusual that noone can remember her at any college. No evidence that she was in a club or worked on a newspaper or radio.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:07 pmsatirev,
September 14th, 2008 at 4:11 pmAnd she and her hubby and kids BILLED the state for living in Wasillia and travelling expenses!
Fred, you mean dumbocracy?
September 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pmBob Says:
It’s so interesting that the VP has a history of controlling earmarks and spending and making executive decisions and yet this is the first election in my memory where it’s come up so prevailently. I wonder how McCain was going to make an executive decision without plallalalin.
Actually, it’s not the first time. They made the same argument for Bush. The thing they are missing is that if one has to have “executive experience” to be President, then McCain is not qualified. He has zero executive experience. He has never had a job that was not paid for by the government.
I wonder why a talking head doesn’t ask that question. What about McCain’s executive experience. And then there’s the inconvenient truth that Bush, the “executive” President was a spectacular failure.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:16 pmHow would it besmerch Hillary’s character to call palen out on her claims to represent the feminists movement in America?
Who could garner more media attention right now than Hillary if she were to speak out on the hypocricy exhibited by palen on every womens issue?
My comments go to the heard of divisions in the democratic party that get us defeated when we go against an opponant who’s constituants will support them whether they agree with them or they are right or not.
We agree on these issues and we still are divided. Most Americans want to be on the winning side.
They don’t really care about the details. See “turning a blind eye to our children using steroids to be better atheletes in our high schools”.
See “The rich get respect and deserve it even if they came by their wealth through criminal activity”
See ” The win at any cost mentality that has trickled down from corporate headquarters into our daily lives.”
We are fighting a machine that has the deck stacked against us. We must defeat the republican candidate and we don’t have equal access to the media that all Americans use to make their decisions.
We cannot do that if we are not united against them.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:18 pmWow, I come back to this thread and discover that a troll is trying to shift the topic to tax money on Alaskan oil and gas. No, that’s not the topic of this thread. Palin’s constant shuffle-quickstep about earmarks is the topic of this thread.
Earmarks aren’t illegal, and while they have a bad rep (probably justified) because of their use to feather the nests of fat cat lobbyists and their clients, much earmark money goes to worthwhile project. I have issues with the entire earmarking system, but that’s another thread.
I don’t have a problem with Sarah Palin playing the system to get earmark money. What I have a problem with is that she does it, denies it, and when forced to admit it she defends her earmarks while condemning everyone else’s. That, and she’s on a ticket that has made the abolition of earmarks a major issue.
It’s the hypocrisy, stupid!
September 14th, 2008 at 4:24 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
It’s the hypocrisy, stupid!
Exactly the hypocrisy and the lying. I dont care that she plays the game I just care that she LIES about being a player
September 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pmsatirev Says:
Keith: I’m with you 100%. The conversation seems to be surrounding the amount of earmarks, the timing of earmarks, etc. and where is the discussion of how “filthy” this vulgar amount of earmarks requested by Palin actually is??? Where is our so-called relevant and wise press right now.
Palin is now telling the audiences that Obama has asked for an “obscene” amount of earmarks for his state. But, if you compare his earmark requests with hers, his pales in comparison. She has asked for something like $398 per person while Obama’s is $22 per person. Too bad some talking head doesn’t call her on that.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pmI guess you hadn’t noticed that cheney has sucessfully worked in the dark for 8 years and it seems to be ok with everyone. The failed energy policy that has brought us $5/gal gas was done behind closed doors and we aren’t even allowed to know the details. Cheny and the oil companies penned it and put it into effect.
The only way to change this is to get the corporate politicians out of the whitehouse.
Notice that every republican that speaks support mccain even though they were disparaging him 4 years ago. The right has control of the media and is on every channel with no opposing views.
Every democrat that speaks should stop trying to be objective and benevolent to the right. They get no such recipocal treatment and the end result is that the democrats look weak.
Americans love a good liar. See raygun. They only discard them when they quit being effective, not when they stop lying.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pm#Copano_Texian Says:
Tp wants it both ways, so Palin took the money, she could have used it for the bridge, but she killed the bridge and used the money on other projects.
You are right stupid troll, she could have used the money for the bridge. But she would have had to contribute a whole lot more than the money she got, from the Alaska budget, to complete the bridge. Besides, by that time the bridge had become a joke and she wasn’t going to complete the joke. It was after congress had killed the bridge that Sarah Barracuda said no to the bridge, but not to the money.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pmCopano_Texian Says:
The US government takes tons of tax money out of Alaska for oil and gas, and Alaskans would like to see some of that money back in their state, so freaking what.
Are you aware of the fact that Sarah Palin imposed a “windfall profit tax” on the oil companies who drill in Alaska? With that money she is giving every man, woman and child in Alaska an extra $1,200 (making their total take this year $3,400). It’s no wonder she is so popular. Any governor who could send every citizen a check for $1,200 would be popular.
But, the bad news is that the oil companies are passing on the cost of this windfall profit tax to us at the pump.
So, every time you fill your tank, think about each and every person in Alaska who is getting $1,200 off our backs.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:35 pmLiar, liar your lipstick’s on fire!
September 14th, 2008 at 4:38 pmsatirev Says:
Do not be fooled by the Repuke numbers of women backing Palin – they’re all bullshit. Women involved with women’s rights organizations and issues know the truth and it will be reflected soon in the “real” polls.
The DNC needs to do a commercial right now quoting Sarah Palin when she said that she wants abortion banned even for victims of incest and rape. Then they need to point out that during her tenure as Mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for examinations.
They also need to do a commercial quoting that preacher who was dissing Jews in the sermon he gave at her church. Point out that she knew what the sermon was about (they sent out a notice), she attended, and she did not get up and walk out. The getting up and walking out is what they threw at Obama, so we need to throw it back at her. Then the DNC needs to play that ad heavily in Florida.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:39 pmReally, the poll below was showing Obama ahead when the msm were showing mccain ahead, now even this poll is showing mccain ahead. You must not discount the palin effect of at the very least rallying the extreme right wingers and in doing so creating a wave of propaganda and good will that is pushing their poll numbers up. It certainly wasn’t mccains speech that caused this.
poll
Why is Hillary above this fray? If the battle for our very existance is going on, which I believe is the case, why would she sit on the sidelines.
This is not about class. We have had the better class of people for a long time…..forever actually. That will not get us where we want to be.
I would note that I did not single Hillary out, I merely used her as one example. I’m calling for every single democrat and progressive to unite for this monumental cause.
Democrats should not be talking about what a noble hero mccain is. Maybe not bring it up at all but certainly stop praising them. They show no inclination to recipocate on such good will, in fact, they capitalize on it.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:46 pm“Evil uses Many Tools, and the LIE is the handle”
September 14th, 2008 at 4:51 pmProgressives are but everyday people who don’t keep up as we do find it to be just business as usual and the republicans have them convinced that we are just as guilty as the right.
I’m not a defeatist but I see what this is building up to as being just like 2000 & 2004. We must do something, although I will admit that I am at a loss too and am mostly venting my anguish over recent events and the lack of interest of the American electorate in the process.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pmEarmarks are great for Governors to want, but bad for Congressman, like Joe Biden. A McCain/Palin presidency will be great, well better than a NObama/Biden or Clinton one at least.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
NEVER ELECT a woman
OR a minority
September 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pmif they are Right of center
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Well, you do have to give the Republicans some credit. They certainly have balls. And they stay on message, even long after that message has been shown conclusively to be a lie. On pushback they then always blame the messenger (Charlie Gibson for Sarah Palin’s “potatoe” moment) and fact check organization when they report what we already know; namely, McCain has run a far more dishonest, untruthful campaign than Obama.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pmUSpace Says:
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Do you have a “real point” to make, or are you just here to embarrass yourself?
September 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pmRight of center is one thing…to the right of the right wingers is different, no?
A minority or woman who supports the right is a typical person who would support legislation against thier own best interests and shows they have no real depth, only ambition.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pmThe ROS Says:
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Do you have a “real point” to make, or are you just here to embarrass yourself?
Both!
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never mock Democrats
it’s just their religion
September 14th, 2008 at 5:09 pmyou RIGHT-WING INFIDEL
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USpace Says:
well, at least you got the right wing infidel part right. God doesn’t know ya.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:12 pmUSpace Says:
it’s just their religion
you RIGHT-WING INFIDEL
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P!!!!! My man!!! You’re back! Only you could come up w/ such twisted pretzel logic and still think you’re making sense.
Let the flagging begin!
September 14th, 2008 at 5:13 pmGod knows everyone, even atheist Democrats, He forgives them for their sins and ignorance of the truth that Leftist policies hurt the poor and minorities the most.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
always create more taxes
hypnotize the people
September 14th, 2008 at 5:15 pmone more tax will fix it all
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USpace
god of money says don’t mock republicans as they are fiscally responsible.
damn that’s not too funny is it used space?
September 14th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThank you ROS! I just love the ‘tolerant’ Left and their ideas of ‘Free Speech’, long live Castro!
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
there is no good or evil
every thing’s relative
September 14th, 2008 at 5:17 pmdon’t judge a terrorist
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Well done ROS, great AT! It’s very funny, you’re Right, the Bush Admin. has been spending like Democrats.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:19 pmWhat we should do now is what Rush Limbaugh does and get someone to do a parody cover song, to ABBA:
“You are the Earmark Queen,
September 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pmYoung and Sweet,
A Neocon’s wet dream,
Ooo-oooooo…..”
The trolls are pathetic, no?
Attack and then respond as a cry baby…typical though.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:21 pmMental illness is a real bi-atch, huh, P?
You try and you try and you try, and your poor head just hurts, and night seems like day and up is down, and somehow you’re never, ever wrong about anything, even when you can’t make sense of anything…
No wonder you’re a proud GOOPer.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:23 pmFred,
I don’t see a lack of interest among the American electorate.
The usually Boring conventions drew 35 million + viewers…one in ten Americans Watched.
Voter registration, especially among younger voters, has skyrocketed.
Voters are still making up their Minds, and accessing the truthfullness of the Campaign’s assertions.
And Very Few Voters think that who is elected President won’t effect them. Bush has disabused them of that notion.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:25 pmMental illness, maybe, but I’ve never been afflicted with BDS or PDS Palin Derangement Syndrome).
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never elect a woman
who’s a conservative
September 14th, 2008 at 5:26 pmshe’s just a gender traitor
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All I have to say is:
September 14th, 2008 at 5:29 pmyoutube.com/watch?v=vh27HRNm_r4U
USpace Says:
Mental illness, maybe…
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Mental illness, maybe? HAH!!! Mental illness, almost assuredly. But hey… you’re finally admitting it… is this a cry for help?
I also notice you haven’t denied being P yet… tee hee… yer way too obvious.
So, how did that “the Saudis aren’t Muslims” thing work out for you?
September 14th, 2008 at 5:37 pmkemosabe speaks truth and thinks it’s satire.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:37 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
USpace links to a website that calls Obama… che Obama. Same nitwit that cry’s like a baby when we call bomb bomb bomb Iran adolf mccain…..it’s the hypocricy ba-by.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pmFred Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
USpace links to a website that calls Obama…
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I saw that, Fred. Were you around last fall, before they were forced to put in the registration system? I don’t recall. If you were, you know who Mr P is/was.
If not, he almost single-handedly destroyed the site, and he’s probably the biggest reason TP had to put in the registration system. The troll wars at the time got incredibly nasty…
September 14th, 2008 at 5:45 pmYeah who is this P? Mr. P? It ain’t me and never was.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:06 pmSorry, P… you already gave it up…
Not the sharpest pencil in the box, are ya?
September 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pmUSpace:
September 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pmHi little white guy afraid of the black guy. What up?
What does P stand for? I was wondering why you called me P. I’ve always been USpace on this site.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never promote a woman
who’s a conservative
September 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pmshe just might beat your man
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Hey Dbadass, how you be? I’m not afraid of any black man, and certainly not for POTUS, I just don’t want a socialist or communist or defender of terrorists and dictators.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
just HOPE to pay more taxes
DREAM about high fuel prices
September 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pmCHANGE PROGRESS to move backwards
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“I’ve always been USpace on this site.”
We’ll that sure is nice. So why did you choose this monniker? Does it have deep meaning to you? If so, how so?
September 14th, 2008 at 6:14 pmMe? I am not such a pussy as to be afraid of socialism. Still I need not worry as none are running for POTUS last I checked…
September 14th, 2008 at 6:15 pmWitness the proud “conservative” troll. When the lies don’t work? Jump to vandalism (cyber).
They follow a pattern like some animals who, when they can’t finish a meal, crap on the leftovers so no one else gets to eat.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pmdbadass Says:
Me? I am not such a pussy as to be afraid of socialism. Still I need not worry as none are running for POTUS last I checked…
You’re not afraid of socialism because you don’t understand how bad it is for the poor and minorities especially.
Obama is a ‘European Style Socialist’ at heart, he basically admits it, his major mentors were avowed communists too, read up on it.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
create bad welfare programs
encourage unemployment
September 14th, 2008 at 6:20 pmincentives for broken homes
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Good afternoon dbadass. I saw this fall’s first big flock of starlings this morning. The mallards and widgeon can’t be far behind.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:21 pmUSpace:
How might you know what I do or do not understand? Come now. Sell me on your ideas. Convince me. Show me something to support your contentions… People that just say shit and ask me to buy bore me…
afternoon pete. I hear that the hurricances have blown some interesting things in on the coast but my schedule has prevented me for being there. Reports of Skuas exist…
September 14th, 2008 at 6:27 pmHahahaha yeah. Everyone knows those socialist programs, like Social Security or VA benefits, really hurt the poor.
Of course, facts don’t mean much to dishonest and dishonorable people like trolls, or Flippy McSpin, or his Buy-bull Bimbo running mate.
Why can’t these freaks get it through their pointy heads that the Jebus/Palin/McSpin ticket fails on intellectual and ethical grounds before politics even enters the equation?
September 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pmwell at least we have gotten to the point of recognizing that the d is lowercase
September 14th, 2008 at 6:30 pmI hear that the hurricanes have blown some interesting things in on the coast
I wouldn’t be surprised. Those birds are smarter than many give them credit for. I just hope the Gulf wintering grounds aren’t oil soaked or stripped of vegetation. The Wisconsin whooping cranes won’t benefit from a productive year if their new chicks don’t have anything to eat this winter.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:34 pmdbadass Says:
USpace:
How might you know what I do or do not understand? Come now. Sell me on your ideas. Convince me. Show me something to support your contentions… People that just say shit and ask me to buy bore me…
Maybe you do understand that Socialism is bad. But then to want it anyway would be what? Evil?
absurd thought -
God of the Universe thinks
the Right is always wrong
and the Left is always right
September 14th, 2008 at 6:35 pmand facts don’t matter at all
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I feel I must offer an apology for the phrase “stupid troll”. I forgot that; when one says “troll” the “stupid” is implied.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pmOh, I don’t know, TRoS… I wouldn’t give Pee that much credit. He certainly derailed a lot of threads and cycled through a ton of screen names, but he has never been more than an embarrassingly amateurish tagger troll. Albeit an energetic and committed one.
But as far as mental illness goes… no question. Pee’s not well.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:41 pmNot sure USpace is Pee, though.
Seems more like a brazen progressive masquerading as a brain-dead troll in order to give the right a bad name.
Not that the right hasn’t accomplished that feat already…
September 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pmI, like you ralph, am not convinced it’s the original Pee. But, he’s got the piss-soaked coward angle nailed down.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:46 pmYou’re right, I am not P, and I’m a true progressive, a classical liberal.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
politics is religion
feeling is most important
thinking is not required
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September 14th, 2008 at 6:49 pmI think that McCain and the surrogates (eg Fiorini today on Stephanopolous) are throwing out yet another red herring on her “eliminating earmarks as governor” so that they can maintain the meme that she was a “reformer” who reduced earmarks.
This is another false claim that must be skewered. She reduced earmark because, as Fiorina puts is she “understood that they are corrupting,” but because pork king and Appropriations then Commerce Chair Ted Stevens lost his considerable mojo in DC.
Why put all the work into preparing earmark justifications you know you are not going to get? Focusing on the priority earmarks is not “reform” – it was just adjusting to a new, unpleasant political reality.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:51 pmHey, that’s some neat troll/anti-troll jujitsu there.
A progressive pretending to be a troll who’s pretending to be a progressive, to demonstrate clearly how lame and laughable trolls can be. Especially the trolls who think that we can’t tell they’re not the progressives they claim they are.
I think.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:53 pmYou have me gotten me confused Ralph. I thought they only had trolls on those dang Right-wing blogs.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
claim to care for people
call yourself progressive
September 14th, 2008 at 7:02 pmbad policies hurt poor folk
.
USpace:
September 14th, 2008 at 7:06 pmYou aren’t very convincing. Come now explain why socialism is bad/evil. Be specific please. Right now your schtick seems pretty weak and I would hate to see you made to look foolish
When you guys are done knawing on the troll:
Ike’s Damage Includes Platforms, Pipelines
Nearly 2,000 Rescued In Texas
Federal officials said Sunday it appears Hurricane Ike destroyed at least 10 production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico and damaged some pipelines.
The full extent of the damage, including the amount of fuel capacity involved, hasn’t been determined.
I think Hurricane Ike just sunk the drill-crazy conservatives’ rhetorical battleship!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:08 pmTo the idiot that talked about what Red States produce, read this. More crime, more divorce, less education, fatter. etc. Basically red states suck in every single possible way.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/11/wolcott200611
September 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pmNow the repug msm are talking as if plain is a viable candidate. Why do they keep talking about her long, long, looonnnng ago high school days? Just like her long so long ago as a loser queen? repugs tell me how this is relevant.
this is ridiculous beyond belief.
How are repugs and their small “squeaky wheel” constituents allowed to dominate and to spew their bs to the rest of the sane world?
plain is a prop to sheild mcchimpy from himself. she is stupider than mcchimpy, if that is possible.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:32 pmIf hill is worth her salt, she would go toe to toe with this fakeass sucky “mom.”
Just think some hill supporters thought she was tough. I guess hill is just “tough” against another dem.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:37 pmbarfly Says:
When you guys are done knawing on the troll:
Ike’s Damage Includes Platforms, Pipelines
Nearly 2,000 Rescued In Texas
Federal officials said Sunday it appears Hurricane Ike destroyed at least 10 production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico and damaged some pipelines.
The full extent of the damage, including the amount of fuel capacity involved, hasn’t been determined.
I think Hurricane Ike just sunk the drill-crazy conservatives’ rhetorical battleship!
Did the repugs cancel any events? Was chimpy at the command post? Did repugs start a relief fund? Was there an urgency?
repugs are just plain outliers stupid
September 14th, 2008 at 7:42 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Hey, that’s some neat troll/anti-troll jujitsu there.
A progressive pretending to be a troll who’s pretending to be a progressive, to demonstrate clearly how lame and laughable trolls can be. Especially the trolls who think that we can’t tell they’re not the progressives they claim they are.
I think.
___________
I know, Ralph. It’s giving me a splitting headache just trying to follow the twists and turns.
Pssst… go poke it w/ this stick… let’s see what sort of gibberish it spouts next…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmrepugs are just plain outliers stupid
And, as their main talking-point slowly sinks beneath the waves, we bid a fond farewell to the hyperbolic bloviation which kept it afloat for so long…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:49 pmdbadass Says:
USpace:
You aren’t very convincing. Come now explain why socialism is bad/evil. Be specific please. Right now your schtick seems pretty weak and I would hate to see you made to look foolish
I don’t think you really want to know. Start studying, reading lots of stuff if you do.
Basically, Socialism is for the rights of the state, not the individual. It thrives on creating and maintaining Victim groups, it thrives on growing government in the name of creating a Utopia, a perfect society, which is unattainable. It lives on growing more government to ‘fix’ the problems they have already created. It leads to higher unemployment, and it keeps people down. It loves to demonize the rich, even though their are many rich socialists, who of course are never demonized. Many famous Communists have said that the purpose of Socialism is to prepare the people for Communism.
The Left just always wants to go further to the Left.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
there is NO NEED for debate
socialism is the way
economies need not grow
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
throw good money after bad
feed failing social programs
September 14th, 2008 at 7:51 pmkeep the poor people poor
.
absurd thought -
September 14th, 2008 at 7:55 pmMan of the Universe says
stand on you own
god doesn’t exist
It thrives on creating and maintaining Victim groups, it thrives on growing government in the name of creating a Utopia, a perfect society, which is unattainable.
Try selling that line to the Swedes.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pmIt lives on growing more government to ‘fix’ the problems they have already created. It leads to higher unemployment, and it keeps people down.
That accurately descibes Bush and the conservatives…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pmdbadass, the troll took up your challenge.
Of course he failed miserably, but you gotta admire his moxie, no?
He’s entertaining, in a boring, troll-forsaken Sunday kind of way.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:00 pmOops, dropped an “r.”
Damn shag carpeting, I’ll never find it…
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmSsshhhhhhhh… you’re not supposed to notice that part.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmhttp://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm ALL you need to know…from the people of Alaska. *WARNING…some pictures are graghic…pass it around.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmI hope this isn’t a double post.
plain the loser queen, loser cadidate.
Palin Camp Provides Conflicting Accounts of Iraq Visit
mcchimpy be prepared to see a record landslide.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmSo then I guess we can trust USpace is all for letting some of these big US banks in trouble go down, huh?
And cutting off all tax breaks and subsidies to oil companies while we’re at it. I mean, they’re a form of socialism, right?
Siiiiiiiiiiigh… poor USpace… so victimized by a cruel, imperfect universe… hmmm, wasn’t that li’l feller jes’ whinin’ about them big, mean socialists needin’ victims to stay in business… who’d a-thought USpace would turn out to be just jes’ another WHINY victim???
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmUSpace:
I find this part particularly amusing
“I don’t think you really want to know. Start studying, reading lots of stuff if you do.”
You still are speaking more like a believer rather than a thinker. Show me your evidences. Why is it that you beleive that which you believe?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pmWhat life experiences have you had which have reinforced your idea that your beliefs are facts?
ralph, we must all be willing to make the most with that which is offered unto us.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:04 pmI think you guys are banging on an emply barrel. USpace is really here to share his wonderfully exciting, and totally original Haikus – which can be purchased by clicking on his tag.
They’re just the thing for early stocking-stuffers, and company-party gifting.
And they’re quite affordable, so throw the guy a nickle – and maybe he’ll start making sense.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:09 pmWho is responsible for these damnable typos?
Heads will roll, I say…
September 14th, 2008 at 8:11 pmUp in Alaska, they don’t call them “aarmarks,” they call them, “moosemarks” in honor of the little Tyrant of the Tundra, Mrs. MooseMarks.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:14 pmCorporate welfare sucks. Bush is an idiot, but Hillary, Gore and Kerry are bigger idiots. You don’t have to buy any books, you can get the e-books for free, but beware, Leftists generally hate my stuff.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don’t allow FREE markets
culling inefficiencies
September 14th, 2008 at 8:26 pmkeeping markets robust
.
USpace Says:
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Good Dog… is there anyone here who can translate this Gibberish into something intelligible?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pmOh same troll different name.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:31 pmBow wow!
.
absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
Earth is a terrible place
but it is still the best
September 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pmplanet in the Universe
.
culling inefficiencies
keeping markets robust
Oh looky there, the troll may be smarter than plain.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:33 pmCould someone preferable USpace explain that absurd thought shit to me? I forget is that iambic pentaminer or what ever the hell that shit was called…(and spelled)
September 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pmIf only you had added one more Wow. I might have agreed.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:36 pmdBadass, they are in a loose Tanka form.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pmthe b is lowercase as well.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:00 pmUSpace Says:
Bow wow!
absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
Earth is a terrible place
but it is still the best
planet in the Universe
Typical Earthian ego-centrism.
I’d hoped we’d evolved beyond that, in this new age of informed wisdom…
September 14th, 2008 at 9:01 pmWhat became of Annabella and those Adam Ant dudes? She was such a cute kid…
September 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pmKeith Says:
Pierre Tristam today at commondreams.org:
“…But to succeed, deception needs a receptive audience. It needs the incurious, the unquestioning, the toadying. The effectiveness of the lies, in a year when comatose fleas should capably beat the shrewdest Republican, is telling — not about the candidates’ venality, but about the electorate’s want: This isn’t an election about change. It’s an election about extending the denial that made the last eight years possible.
question:
in my very red county of s.central illinois, am i helping or hurting? with my large red bumper sticker that reads:
there are 2 kinds of
REPUBLICAN VOTERS -
Millionaires & Suckers
.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:05 pmdbadass, I suspect the USpace troll is presenting an homage to our very our poet laureate, joe cantwell, whose lively and penetrating free verse and blog haiku have added immeasurably to the literary stature of this collective.
Only problem with the troll is, he seems to think that function follows form. I’m sure joe cantwell would tell him that it ain’t so.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:08 pmI had shitty poetry instruction. The fellow in charge seemed more interestedn finding “Christ Figures” everywhere rather than looking into the inner depressions of the poets. Still I agree as to joe cantwell’s words.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:15 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymT8PGiqPP8&feature=related
September 14th, 2008 at 10:18 pmOf course. A rational, intelligent, person who views recent political trends in the U.S. would realize that saying “the Left always moves left” is an utterly absurd statement, over and above the historical fact that ALL societies are cyclical. Sometimes the ruling class dominates and sometimes the populists dominate. It has little to do with ideology.
First of all, there is no Left in this country. I haven’t seen an honest leftist in nearly 40 years.
Second. The moronic Right has moved so far right that they have destroyed the GOP and are well on the way to destroying anything once admirable in the American experiment.
However, I must admit that, should Jebus/Palin/McSpin win or steal the election we can stop worrying. Four more years of criminal rule and there won’t be anything worth saving.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:23 pmUSpace Says:
Bow wow!
absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
Earth is a terrible place
but it is still the best
planet in the Universe
September 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
How in the hell do you know??? You’ve travelled around the 100 billion suns in the Milky Way and around the 100 billion other galaxies, have you?!?! I hate religious people like you. There are good religious people, however.
Once you have called Obama communistic, what is there left to call the many millions of Americans or every other developed country in the world that are to the left of Obama?
September 14th, 2008 at 10:35 pmThen there’s the blind partisanship of the Reichwing authoritarian. Since they hate any who oppose them they figure, in their ignorance, that all opposition must be “from the Left”. Since they don’t ever weigh an idea on it’s merits they can’t conceive that the vast majority of thinking people do just that.
I didn’t “turn” on Chimpy, and all things GOP, because of their ideals. I “turned” on them because of their contempt for the governed and disastrous results. I could even live with a certain amount of dirty dealing if they were effectively governing.
Alas, they are not governing effectively and haven’t even come close. Indeed, they have done more damage to our society than any generation of politicians since the Vietnam era, if not the generation who made the Civil War inevitable.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:40 pmUSpace,
September 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pmSince 65% of Americans are in favor of universal/single-payer/government-run healthcare and Obama is not—–that puts 65% of Americans to the left of a communist!!!
That’s the thing, Keith. These idiotic trolls don’t even know what a communist is. It’s just the dirtiest name they can think of short of a particular racial epithet which would result in an immediate ban or, in the case of talking heads, professional suicide. Whenever you see a troll apply “communist”, “socialist”, or even “librul” to Sen. Obama one can assume it’s just a substitute for n___er.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:49 pmPete, I’ve been “left-of-center” for 40 years and I don’t know any American communists. England, Germany, Turkey yes, but not Americans.
There’s mountains of evidence of the damage the right has done. The first 200 years of the USA (before Reagan) only gave us $0.9 trillion in debt, for instance. But if you are in denial, then I guess you are in denial.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pmYou mean “Northerner”? :)
September 14th, 2008 at 10:55 pmThey also call us Nazis, fascists, and Stalinists.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pmI’m glad Sen. Obama is fighting back with the truth.
on Saturday accused Sen. John McCain of “cynically running the sleaziest and least honorable campaign in modern presidential campaign history.”
repugs are sleazy as hell.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:00 pmYa got that right, GOL. And even the Reichwingers are finding it hard to deny. They are adopting the “ends justify the means” defense. What I can’t figure out is why so many continue to defend a platform built on lies. In the reality based community, if one needs to lie to make a point, it’s not worth making. In Reichworld? Not so much.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pmVery true, Keith. But I wasn’t talking about the intrinsic damage like the economy. I was refering to the polarization of the people. What’s strange though is that so many still think in terms of “Right vs. Left” when the real divide is between “radicals” and the vast moderate majority. It seems that anyone “Left” of Bill0 is being demonized.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:14 pmNeoconservatives plan Project Sarah Palin to shape future American foreign policy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Pain-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html
A former Republican White House official, who now works at the American Enterprise Institute, a bastion of Washington neoconservatism, admitted: “She’s bright and she’s a blank page. She’s going places and it’s worth going there with her.”
I’d rather not.
September 15th, 2008 at 12:15 am“On board Mrs Palin’s campaign plane, journalists were told by stewards that she was watching in the VIP section of the charter’s satellite TV system. As reporters howled with laughter during the five-minute skit, there was reportedly silence from the front of the plane.”
September 15th, 2008 at 12:15 amhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2958696/Tina-Fey-lands-the-first-punch-at-Sarah-Palin-in-Saturday-Night-Live-sketch.html
Troopergate” — began before Palin was chosen as Sen. John McCain’s running mate. Since then, Palin’s supporters have argued that the investigation is politically motivated, and urged lawmakers to turn the matter over to the three-member State Personnel Board, which is appointed by the governor and charged with handling ethics complaints.
BEFORE She was chosen.
The investigation started BEFORE she was picked by McCain.
But it’s politically motivated the GOP yelps! Hells yeah it is! She holds an office that she’s allegedly abused. That makes it political, because-and I know it’s a lame hope-even the Republicans should want that type of ethics abuse complaint investigated. Unless you have no regard for the law?
And then they want the investigation turned over to a three-member panel that is APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR?
Excuse me? And how would that not be biased?
Did they say that they liked cows, too, and go to high school with her?
September 15th, 2008 at 12:35 amKeith Says:
USpace,
Since 65% of Americans are in favor of universal/single-payer/government-run healthcare and Obama is not—–that puts 65% of Americans to the left of a communist!!!
Single-payer is fine; in fact there are lots of single-payer Health insurance plans available. The Gov’t should pay the premiums of those that can’t afford insurance.
The problem is with ‘Single-provider’, Government run Health care, like they have in Canada, Cuba, England and elsewhere.
That becomes a real mess.
Also, since many people are restricted from buying better plans from other states, they are stuck with plans loaded with mandates most people don’t want which drive the cost of insurance up.
Read up on it.
http://www.freemarketcure.com/
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
destroy field of medicine
breakup health care markets
reduce quality of care
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
forget healthcare reforms
just dismantle the market
government monopoly
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
NO one deserves great health care
get checkups free and easy
September 15th, 2008 at 1:02 amjust wait for critical care
.
USpace Says:
The ROS Says:
____________
Do you have a “real point” to make, or are you just here to embarrass yourself?
Both!
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never mock Democrats
it’s just their religion
you RIGHT-WING INFIDEL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My GOD you are ignorant. ROS is right you must be here to embarass yourself. Being a REALLY stupid wingnut troll is bad enough being a really REALLY stupid wingnut troll who is completely incoherent is just sad and pathetic. That is you on a good day. Sad and pathetic
September 15th, 2008 at 1:08 amUSpace Says:
Mental illness, maybe, but I’ve never been afflicted with BDS or PDS Palin Derangement Syndrome).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Mental illness probably. Mental deficiency DEFINITLY and you are obviously afflicted with BIS, that is Bush IDOLOTRY syndrome and a really sad case of terminal ignorance. Your stupidity is an embarassment to our entire species. You wierd absurd though stream of consiousness stupidity is just sad, stupid and incoherent. You need help. Stop mixing your anti-psychotics with your Jack Daniels
September 15th, 2008 at 1:12 amUSpace Says:
You’re right, I am not P, and I’m a true progressive, a classical liberal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No you are a liar and a fool and unbelievably stupid
September 15th, 2008 at 1:16 amUSMoron you are just flat stupid. Canada doesnt HAVE a single provider health plan. The government plan is a single payer INSURANCE. The GOV through taxes provides the INSURANCE. You are just ignorant. That is too bad. What is really pathetic is your consistant repitition of the talking points. What is pathetic is that you have no capacity for independent thought. You are a parrot and a really stupid one. You were one of those really dumb kids that sat in the back of the class praying the teacher wouldnt call on you because you are too stupid to understand ANYTHING. Now you have a hardon for those smart kids who you associate with liberals. So you listen to the Limbaughs and Savages of the AM hateradio, repeat their idiocy and PRETEND its thinking. You like that they tell you how much better you are than all those smart kids. Those liberals. You are pathetic. You need help and you wont find it on AM radio. I pity you for your stupidty and your brainwashed idiocy
September 15th, 2008 at 1:23 amThey’re like the kids in school that were so insecure and stupid that they had to hang around with the bullies so that they could have some semblance of cool. Pretty lame, USMoron. E-Debs is right, find some different channels to listen to besides Fox “news” and talk radio.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:35 amget checkups free and easy
just wait for critical care
That’s the system we currently enjoy. I had to wait three months for knee surgery.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:07 amShe’s a dipshit bimbo.
These are “the facts”.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:38 am2006 population of Alaska was 670,053
September 15th, 2008 at 9:49 amBUT San Jose Ca 2006 population was
929,936 . . . earmark dollars per capita
speak to the heart of the matter . . .
rowland
Is there a worse informed pundit/talking head/interviewer than Stephanopolous? To think that this guy played a role in Clinton’s first run is just mind-blowing…!
The only thing he can digest is Republican talking points. And he’s just not capable of refuting them. Pathetic.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:52 amPalin’s Job Description: ” Liar – in – Chief ”
This woman is not acquainted with the truth…
September 16th, 2008 at 8:41 pm