Rove: ‘You can’t trust the fact-check organizations.’
By on Sep 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Rove: ‘You can’t trust the fact-check organizations.’
This week, non-partisan fact-checking organizations like PolitiFact and FactCheck.org
have called Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) out for lies in his attack ads against Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). But on Fox News Sunday today, former Bush political adviser Karl Rove dismissed the organizations, claiming that “they’ve got their own biases built in there.” “You can’t trust the fact-check organizations,” said Rove. Watch it:
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Yeah, and your $hit doesn't stink either.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:18 amFoul is fair and fair is foul.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am"There ought to ba an adult"??
September 14th, 2008 at 11:19 amThat's right, you should just trust Karl Rove - he'd never lie to you. Unless he had to. Or someone paid him a dollar. Or he just felt like it.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:20 amI can smell desperation. And why isn't this traitor in jail?
September 14th, 2008 at 11:21 amSo this leaves us with who to trust? RoverBoy? FoxSnooze? McNumbNuts? Failin Palin?
Yup. Right, KKKarl. In your dreams.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:22 amSeriously, I here this line of reasoning all the time from the RWA's and dittoheads - "oh well, that's just from (the rest of the reality based world). I don't believe 'em." I swear, they wouldn't believe you if you told 'em water was wet. Anything that breaks with their perceived reality is verboten!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:23 amSuprisingly OT but just which group of biologists fact checked the animals which reside on that island or whatever it is where that Swiss Family Robinson got stranded?
September 14th, 2008 at 11:25 amSorry I just haven't seen this nonsense in a long time and it is cracking me up...
Rove:'You need to watch Fox only to get your facts".!!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:25 amfacts have a well known
liberal bias.
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September 14th, 2008 at 11:25 am"they’ve got their own biases built in there.” “You can’t trust the fact-check organizations,” said Rove.
Actually, Rove, it's YOU who has your biases built in there, and who we cannot trust.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:28 amhttp://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article808444.ece#comments You might want to put your 2 cents in on the lies, and make a comment!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:31 amWho do we trust? THEM?? He's a pig...with or without lipstick!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:32 amTwo liars having a conversation about lying! Nothing like watching them when they know the cameras are rolling, and they can prop up their "special faces." Or is that feces?
September 14th, 2008 at 11:32 amThe facts have a liberal bias.
The facts are unpatriotic, uppity, elitist and probably a Muslim, too.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:33 amIgnorance is strength.
They are proud of their ignorance.
-GSD
September 14th, 2008 at 11:33 amCan't they go to the set and arrest that arrogant ass...love to see him being dragged off in handcuffs!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am#14:
September 14th, 2008 at 11:34 amThanks a lot. Now I am saddled with that Ned Beatty image again...
Rover: "You can't trust the truth because it makes us look like lying, incompetent, traitorous, stupid, evil criminals".
And those are their redeeming qualities.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:35 amKarl can hear the banjos playing and he's beginning to sweat.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:37 amWasen't he suposto go before the comittee.? Why is he still walking around free spouting garbage and more evil dealing's.? What the hell is wrong with Conyer's and the rest of the Dem's, they are acting like they want the rep's to win again and continue the corruption.....Jeebos, this shit make's me sick...Blessings
September 14th, 2008 at 11:39 amhttp://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/ Here you go, guys! Go talk to the progressive folks in Alaska, and let them know they can have a chance to redeem themselves by voting these morons out...Turn Alaska BLUE!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:43 amPay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
September 14th, 2008 at 11:43 amWhat Rove means is that we shouldn't trust anyone but the Republicans and Faux Noise.
What we do trust, Mr. Rove, is what we can read on the internet. And from what I can see, factcheck.org is pretty right on. I think they tend to lean a little to the right when they call "lies" "distortions".
September 14th, 2008 at 11:44 amKKKarl likes to make up his own facts.
Seriously, we need more Psychologists in high schools to help people, like Rove, with low self-esteem before they get out into the real world and attempt to make themselves feel better at the expense of our nation.
He should be locked up in a jail cell. What's wrong with Congress?
September 14th, 2008 at 11:44 amTurd Blossom thumbs his stinky fingers at the electorate, yet again....
http://www.peacebuttons.info/E-News/images/KarlRove.gif
September 14th, 2008 at 11:46 amRove is right when he says "they have their biases built in", but he is being deceptive when he says it. He is trying to infer, without coming out and saying so, that merely having "biases" is, in and of itself, grounds for not trusting someone. By that standard, the entirety of Fox News Channel can be dismissed, as they have publicly admitted that they have "biases". The reason Rove wants you to distrust "fact checkers" is because they will expose the fact that he is lying, that he has lied, and that he promotes the idea of lying all the time in the future to get your way. He not only has no respect for the truth, he fears it. And that is why he sees the truth as the enemy. The more he says you shouldn't trust "fact checkers", the more afraid he is of being exposed. Does Fox News Channel have a "fact checker", or did Rove make them fire theirs?
Remember something: Karl Rove has never been successful without distorting the truth in some way, big or small.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:47 amWe're supposed to believe the architect of Bush's Ministry of MisInformation? Please....
http://home.netcarrier.com/~rstevens/Karl_Rove-SS.jpg
September 14th, 2008 at 11:50 amThe Rovian/Murdoch smear machine in full tilt. REMEMBER: They have the 'math'...lol and rolling on the floor...
Turdblossum saying no one can trust anything is like calling "blue" and tint of "orange"....
It's still amazing that anyone actually believes this dribble...it's hilarious that people are that stupid..
September 14th, 2008 at 11:51 amIn fairness, the truth has perplexed thinkers for millennia
September 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am"Fair and balanced" means that the truth and BS are given equal weight.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:58 amIn "proving" his points on the shift in the electoral map Rove used a poll that was cited last week for changing their methodology in their last poll with a shift to over poll Republicans. But that is what we expect from Karl Rove. Complete dishonesty and lies.
September 14th, 2008 at 11:59 amWhy is Rove still a free pig-man…?
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September 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pmWhile we're on the subject of Rover...
It appears that the first round in the "deny their votes" fight has begun. Flippy McSpin's campaign is apparently sending out absentee ballots that are easy to disqualify.
http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4282/rove-rove-rove-the-vote
September 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pmPerhaps the Fact Check organizations aught to start fact checking Karl Rove?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pmTrue to form, Rove, blames the messenger.
I don't think any politician has had factcheck.org call them out like this before.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:06 pmA thought that has been put forward before. Do you feel the republicans/McCain are trying to lose? The next president will have to clean up after Bush/Cheney and that will be a horrendous effort that will take a while and be very painful. Are the right wing scum looking to spin and dump the blame on Obama/Biden to set themselves up for 2012? The next several years are not going to be pretty. We need to make sure the spotlight is kept on who created and extended this mess, Bush/Cheney/Republicans and who is stepping forward to make the hard choices and put us back on the proper path, Obama/Biden/Non-republicans. Get and keep that message out there!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:11 pmI believe what Karl Rove means is "You can’t trust the fact-check organizations unless they are backing up what we say."
The GOP has no problem citing FactCheck.org as a source when it works in their favor (even if they get it wrong as Cheney did when he called it factcheck.com). But they will wail about how unfair it all is when they are called on their lies.
Pathetically transparent.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pmLet's ask McCain's "BLACK BABY" about that KKKarl.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:16 pmYou raise an interesting point, Marie. I think we are all used to the misleading remarks candidates make about their opponents. It's as old as politics itself. But, I can't recall a campaign so devoted to blatant, ridiculous, lies.
And, perhaps more remarkably, they don't even change their tune when they get called on them. You know it's bad when a even handed gentleman like Mark Shields calls Flippy McSpin "dishonest and dishonorable".
September 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pmLiberalvoter said:
"The next president will have to clean up after Bush/Cheney and that will be a horrendous effort that will take a while and be very painful."
That is true only if it is a NON-Repub that gets elected. The Putrid Repubs will just kick it down field by extending the tax breaks and largess for the corporate bosses, the corporate whores that they are.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pmHow did we end up saddled with two such dispicable human beings in positions of such prominence? I've always been reluctant to call anyone 'evil', but to simper and smirk and dismiss "Truth" justifies the name. I find I have a viscerally negative reaction to these two; they are evil.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pmoh boy..."trust me" this is one slime ball.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm"That is true only if it is a NON-Repub that gets elected. The Putrid Repubs will just kick it down field by extending the tax breaks and largess for the corporate bosses, the corporate whores that they are."
And a bunch of the value voter drones will vote that this is in their best interests...
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pmRove: ‘You can’t trust the fact-check organizations.’
well, you knew THAT one was coming, right?
i mean, UNIVERSITY of pennsylvania... socialist commies!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm"You're entitled to your facts, but not the, i.e., my facts." - Karl "POS" Rove
September 14th, 2008 at 12:30 pmAlecto said: That is true only if it is a NON-Repub that gets elected. The Putrid Repubs will just kick it down field by extending the tax breaks and largess for the corporate bosses, the corporate whores that they are.
Good point. If the reich wing steals another election, the flushing sound of this country going down the tubes will be very loud indeed.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
I believe what Karl Rove means is “You can’t trust the fact-check organizations unless they are backing up what we say.”
just like when any repug says, "let's not be partisan, let's be united"...
as long as it's under the repug tent...
as long as you agree with repug points...
there is no more US...
September 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pmKarl Rove IS NOT a genius! He simply has no intellectual or moral checks and balances that prohibt him from sinking to depths of dishonesty, distortion and corruption that most conscience guided human beings are unwilling or unable to venture into. He is ego and ambition without ethical or moral boundaries.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:42 pm1) Someone better alert McCain not to trust factcheck.org - he's been touting, in an ad and in person, that factcheck supports him that Obama has been dishonest about McCain (but, McCain lied that factcheck.org actually said that). Can't trust factcheck, McCain - don't quote them to support yourself! They're biased!
2) Rove is at least in part responsible for McCain dishonestly using factcheck.org to dishonestly support himself. Who's stupid enough not to know that?
3) Rove's appearance was a deliberate double-speak appearance, and wallace destroys his own credibility in supporting it and not challenging Rove on any of it - but then, what else should be expected of Faux News?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pmAlecto:
That is true only if it is a NON-Repub that gets elected. The Putrid Repubs will just kick it down field by extending the tax breaks and largess for the corporate bosses, the corporate whores that they are.
And how will they do that with an overwhelming democratic majority? The best that can be assumed of a McCain presidency will be four years of political gridlock. With a powerless republican House and Senate minority, look for them to suddenly start being respectful.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pmActually, on this one issue, Rove is correct. Don't believe the fact check organizations. Do YOUR own research and believe in that. You certainly can't trust Faux news. And the corporate media is skewed. So Read for yourself. Don't believe what they tell you. Don't listen to the talking points. Find your own sources, be an informed voter...
But for the majority of the populace, this doesn't happen, so what is a citizen to do if the corporate media won't report what the public has a right to know?
September 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pmHow about instead of "former Bush political advisor" we refer to Rove as what he is now, "current McCain Campaign advisor".
September 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pmKarl Rove telling us who we can and can't trust, priceless!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pmThis from the guy who confidently predicted the House and Senate would remain in Republican control 2 years ago.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pmThis is Karl trying to further legitimize a rather new rightwing tactic. That is framing EVERY argument as he said she said. They want to pretend objective reality and FACTS themselves dont really exist. This is because they no longer want to ARGUE the facts which would put them at a disadvantage. So EVERYTHING is an opinion. FACTS dont exist. I have run into this the last year or so when arguing with wingnuts. I was discussing foriegn policy with a wingnut friend of mine and he asked why Iran would have any reason to be mad at us. I said it might have something to do with our overthrowing Mohammed Mossedegh in 53. He said it never happened and when I said of COURSE it did he could look it up he changed that to well that is your opinion. As if a HISTORICAL FACT could be just an opinion MAYBE TRUE or maybe not but no one will ever know for sure. It is frustrating and dishonest beyond belief but that is what he is saying here. I cant watch the video but did he CLAIM THEY WERE WRONG and give a rationale why? Or did he just CAST what they said as an OPINION that was biased and could be ignored without even TRYING to show where they were wrong? This is how they plan to keep their side brainwashed and in their camp. No real facts exist so dont even worry your little heads about them or even attempt to find them out. just figure out OUR opinion and THEIR opinion and choose sides because this is all that exists our OPINIONS. FACT CHECK organizations are a threat to this tactic. Once they convince their hivemind base that the opinion of the flat earth society has as much merit as, you know REALITY, then they will have achieved their goals.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:09 pmUnfortunately, with regard to FactCheck.org at least, Rove has an argument, but probably not one he embraces. Overall, the scholarly quality is quite low, something that U.Penn should be embarrassed about, the disclaimer "Copyright © 2003 - 2008 Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
FactCheck.org's staff, not the Annenberg Center, is responsible for this material." notwithstanding.
When questioned about poor fact-checking and inappropriate interpretations of facts, the staff at FC like to go on about how they actually take issue with implicature and impressions, not facts per se. This leaves them in the position of being nitpicky over their interpretation of a fact when it allows them to dispute implicatures they disagree with, and being utterly cavalier with facts with regard to implicatures they agree with.
A very good example is the piece "Sliming Sarah Palin" (not the decidely inflammatory rhetoric in the title) where Jackson then goes on to slam INTERNET RUMORS which at best are ambiguous. Right from the outset we see the low quality scholarship where this alleged fact checker says:
"Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements."
The most a governor can do is veto funding, but a governor cannot increase funding. The very same day the spinners at FactCheck.org published this piece, the NYTimes published piece entitled:
"Parents of Special Needs Children Divided Over Palin's Promise to Help"
that includes the statement and quote:
"Ms. Palin recently signed legislation that rewrote the state's school financing formulas, in the process dramatically increasing the budget for school districts that serve children with extreme special needs. 'She had no role whatsoever' in the development of the legislation, said it's author, Representative Mike Hawker, a Republican, 'Her role was signing. She recognized the importance of what we did and endorsed it'
Such a sloppy regard for the truth, particularly when they fall back on insisting they are actually trying to dispel false impressions in response to criticisms of poor fact-checking. This obviously gives the lie to the credibility of this organization as a "fact-checking" organization.
This shows why Think Progress and the left needs to be at lot less snarky and elitist, and far more intelligent in it's legitimate aggressive criticism of Rove and the right-wing.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pmNice idea but the public isn't interested in facts. They like to be on the winning side and rove has been a winner....albeit with immoral and underhanded tactics.
Seems to be something that Americans can relate to and respect. The America we all knew is gone thanks to rove.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pmDumb Question: Who then should we trust to tell the truth ?
September 14th, 2008 at 2:21 pm62. Excellent point, except what Rove wants is for you to TRUST him, the Bush administration, and the McCain campaign blindingly without any critical examination. It's more of Rush's "don't think for yourself, let me do the thinking for you" mentality.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:24 pmThe real BS here was drudging up the POW meme to defend McCain's inability to use a computer. Rove is laying down the insinuation that Obama is attacking a disabled person.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:31 pmSeptember 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
But on Fox News Sunday today, former Bush political adviser Karl Rove dismissed the organizations, claiming that “they’ve got their own biases built in there.”
As opposed to you , the administration you worked for , and the cable channel you're on ?
September 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pmBig Lie at home on Fox!
September 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pmLet's see. Would that be Rove the political pundit or Rove the McCain consultant talkin aboot someone else's "biases built in there"?
In other news: Dog bites man.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:12 pmRove's tactic is to intimidate organizations like factchecker.org so we have to watch to the extent that they become intimidated and stop doing their job. Then Rove will have won while America continues its downward spiral.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pmgqpublic Says:
A very good example is the piece “Sliming Sarah Palin” (not the decidely inflammatory rhetoric in the title) where Jackson then goes on to slam INTERNET RUMORS which at best are ambiguous. Right from the outset we see the low quality scholarship where this alleged fact checker says:
“Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.”
The most a governor can do is veto funding, but a governor cannot increase funding.
But cannot a governor shift funds from one program to another?
You assertion turns on that fact, does it not?
So, if it is possible for a governor to shift funds from one program to another, it would be a net increase for the benefitted program. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, but if a governor can move funds around to some degree within seperate programs, the one who is in error is you.
September 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pmRepublicans love a good liar and will abandon them only when they are no longer effective.
Rove: if everyone knows we are lying is it really dishonesty?
September 14th, 2008 at 3:38 pmWell, at least we can always trust Fox News. They are fair and balanced after all..... *cough*
September 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pmWhy is this turd brain on TV? Why isn't this evil sinister turd breath in jail?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml
Ahh but the Turd Blossom reveals ancient sinister axioms with his evil wisdom, "If you can create doubt within a 'Truth', the truth becomes false."
September 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pmRove should be behind barrs, not on television making misleading comments! This War Criminal should be waiting for his trial and execution by a death sqaud.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:20 pmThis is another bad strategy from Rove - trying to convince the American people that he has not been involved in the negative, divisive, distraction, low campaign road , and no real solutions on the issues of the McCain-Bush 2008 campaign.
Rove the American people are too smart to buy into your nonsense and lies !
September 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pmToday Rove said that McCain's ads have gone too far -- does he think that we don't know he has been behind them?
September 14th, 2008 at 5:02 pmSo, if it is possible for a governor to shift funds from one program to another, it would be a net increase for the benefitted program. I’m not saying that’s what happened in this case, but if a governor can move funds around to some degree within seperate programs, the one who is in error is you.
No, it's the kind of idiocy on the left and right that has become the problem.
First, the NY Times article made clear what Palin did or didn't do, so in this case barfly's comment is just an irrelevant aside (and in fact the point is right because ordinarily the right to shift funding would be spelled out in law, not simply the prerogative of a governor.)
Second, the primary point was the credibility of FactCheck.org's comment. They provided no evidence of what barfly suggests (since it didn't happen), so their credibility remains nil and, unfortunately, Rove's point remains valid and we just look snarky.
Nice idea but the public isn’t interested in facts. They like to be on the winning side and rove has been a winner….albeit with immoral and underhanded tactics.
Totally agree and I wasn't arguing anyone cares about facts. My point is that Think Progress was just plain snarky, rather than being a smart and tough in-your-face political fighter for working people that we need.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:51 pmYou can't trust Rovepig, that's a fact.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:10 pmShort Rove: "You can't trust reality. It has a liberal bias"
September 14th, 2008 at 6:25 pmi just watched another API commercial on the tv...
i think factcheck et al needs to look into those things...
http://www.api.org/aboutapi/ads/
September 14th, 2008 at 6:53 pmYou people are all a bunch of haters. Rove is brilliant; everyone needs to get a grip. He was able to get a guy elected as president twice. The elitist Democrats are finished because they are all whining hateful children. It is hilarious to read comments written by out of touch dreamland Liberals. You people are so confident in your idiocy that you fail to notice it is completely absent intellect. Comments from the liberal left never address the merit of a position. Instead, every comment by a liberal is a personal attack on someone with an alternative position. People take the time and read your blather! Example: Conservative thinkers will argue" Obama has never owned a business or been in an executive position which required decisions to me made-with direct consequence to the lives of other. Obama has never taken a position different from the far-left socialist leaning wing of his party. They can also point to historic irrefutable fact, that the exact policies he propagates have been- tried before and have failed each time, without exception.\
September 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pmLiberals- Bush is a Nazi worse than the devil. Karl Rove is behind every sick and twisted thing in the world. The Bush administration is far worse that Communist China and Iran. I hope they die, or when someone fall ill, the left says, "great, he deserved it, I hope the person dies fast"
I would bet that no one on this far left liberal; "Government please guide my life" website has even watched FOX news. It is definitely the most balanced with all viewpoints presented. Many of you are educated people, who have inadvertently taken the negative insinuations spewed by your Liberal Gods at Fox News as the basis for never watching it. This in itself is pitiful. Please try to open your closed minds and discern between Hard News & Commentary. There is no such distinction at NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN (except Lou Dobbs), and to a lesser extent ABC. Furthermore, even the Commentary shows on Fox, hosted by conservative thinkers, always include commentary from the Liberals with opposing views. Fox employs many liberal commentators, who comment on every issue, people in Obama Campaign, Hillary's campaign manager etc. There are no conservative thinkers employed at NBC.
Conservatives, as well as liberals, would undoubtedly be happier living in the kind of world envisioned by the left. However, life is not that simple and the far- left just does not get it. Most of us learn that from experience-- but experience is precisely what Liberals are lacking or simply fail to recognize. Just as everyone would love to become a millionaire from spending a dollar on a lottery ticket, in the real world it is only a fantasy.
Hi Poldiddy>
September 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pmDid you're name used to be baby poljesus? Just wondering
Well well come od dirty polbastard
od should be old and I have no clue about that greater than symbol...
Oh and of course you're should be your
September 14th, 2008 at 7:26 pmgqpublic Says:
First, the NY Times article made clear what Palin did or didn’t do, so in this case barfly’s comment is just an irrelevant aside (and in fact the point is right because ordinarily the right to shift funding would be spelled out in law, not simply the prerogative of a governor.)
Wrong:
Governor shifts $15 million to help flood victims
By Wisconsin State Journal staff
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MADISON — The state will shift $15 million in federal grants to help areas affected by disastrous June flooding, Gov. Jim Doyle said today.
“The June flooding has had (a) widespread and devastating impact on citizens and businesses across southern and central Wisconsin, and it is important we direct our resources to the recovery effort,” Doyle said in a statement.
Doyle spokesman Lee Sensenbrenner said the funds might be able to help communities such as Gays Mills that are considering moving parts of their community out of a flood plain to prevent future disasters.
The funds could also be used to help low- and moderate-income homeowners make structural repairs to homes damaged by flooding that are not covered by insurance or reimbursed by other federal aid, state officials said.
They could also help local governments pay for damage to public infrastructure not covered by insurance or other federal help. Communities will have to apply for the funding.
The money is administered by the state and comes from the federal Small Cities Community Development Block Grant Funds, Sensenbrenner said.
Not first approved by the legislature - and you're getting might defensive, for my having pointed out your (now-proven)error. You said "a governor," which left the door open to rebuttal.
Now, about that apology...
September 14th, 2008 at 7:35 pmSecond, the primary point was the credibility of FactCheck.org’s comment. They provided no evidence of what barfly suggests (since it didn’t happen), so their credibility remains nil and, unfortunately, Rove’s point remains valid and we just look snarky.
Perhaps you shouldn't have been so overbroad: "The most a governor can do is veto funding, but a governor cannot increase funding."
September 14th, 2008 at 7:37 pmI am going to a Conference for my job next month, this fat swine is speaking. I think I will have to skip this as I will surely say something that could get me fired. And thanks to the Bush economic disaster, this isn't the time to look for a job.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:48 pmWhy isn't KKKarl Rove in jail? I know that they must wait until W is out of office so he cannot pardon him for his crimes. The guy is guiltier than 90% of the cellmates in the federal prisons. KKKarl Rove is a disgusting thug.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pmSigh. Another troll who can't seem to grasp the fact that giving lies the same consideration as the truth is neither "fair" nor "balanced".
And. The most important issues in this election have nothing to do with Right vs. Left. It's right vs. wrong. And both Flippy McSpin and his Buy-bull Bimbo are dishonest and dishonorable. Then if they actually manage to state an opinion, they adopt the worst possible stance. They are both ridiculously unqualified on intellectual and ethical grounds.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:58 pmWhat the criminal Republicans, like Rove, have been counting on is a whole bunch of American citizens, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents honoring and respecting the "rule of law," while the criminal Republicans break one law after another, lying every step of the way, as they seek to establish a permanent Fascist Republican phantom government.
This Fascist Republican phantom government presently has its headquarters out of Dick Cheney's office, with David Addington being one of the chief architects and enforcers of this Fascist Republican takeover of our country.
By George W. Bush's office making Cheney's office essentially a "separate branch" of our constitutional government, with no one vigorously challenging this constitutional breach, building a "firewall" between Bush and Cheney, the corrupt Fascist Republicans are trying to create "plausible deniability" for all the crimes Cheney's crew has committed, with the Bush side saying that they didn't know what the criminal Cheney and Addington have really been doing these past eight, disastrous years.
This is why the Fascist Republicans, in stealing our nation blind, have counted on honorable American who patriotically believe in and practice the "rule of law" to be slow in realizing the true intent, the absolute evil, of what the Fascist Republicans are doing to our nation.
These Fascist Republicans hope, just like all Fascists hope whle subverting a society, that no one will grasp what the Fascists, Republicans or otherwise, are up to until it is too late.
To accomplish this vile takeover of a free society, the Fascists, Republicans or otherwise, need a lapdog media, a lapdog legislature, a lapdog military, a lapdog police force and an extensive spying network to keep tabs on all the "rule of law" citizens who might take exception to what the Fascists, Republicans or otherwise, are attempting to do.
It is really easy to figure out what the Fascist Republicans are doing once one realizes that we've all seen this before. History is rife with other instances of the exact same thing happening (being done to) one society after another. Our nation is just the latest to feel the wrath, the insanity, the outright evil of Fasicst-minded folks trying to seize "permanent" control over everything in our nation.
I fear that the Fascist Republicanism launched out of Cheney's office is the deathknell for our beloved democracy and the freedoms our nation's citizens have enjoyed for over two centuries. I hope I'm wrong, but if Rove (and his evil disciples) steal another election in November and McCain/Palin slither into the White House as Bush/Cheney slither out, then nothing will change in the Fascist-run Republican executive branch...and many of our nation's children will die. (This is exactly what has happened previously in countries taken over by Fascist-minded, totalitarian, monopolistic folks).
September 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pmI'm certain it's been quoted in one of the posts, but worth repeating:
Washington, D.C.; October 24, 2006 [NPR's All Things Considered]
"ROVE: I'm looking at all of these Robert and adding them up. I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I'm entitled to THE math."
September 14th, 2008 at 9:27 pmunbelievable Says:
KKKarl likes to make up his own facts.
Seriously, we need more Psychologists in high schools to help people, like Rove, with low self-esteem before they get out into the real world and attempt to make themselves feel better at the expense of our nation.
This Rove character is one twisted little twerp. He has some serious issues. When he was in high school he found out his "father" was not really his biological father, his step-father then came out of the closet as a gay man and divorced his mother. His mother eventually committed suicide.
September 15th, 2008 at 12:10 amHe's a sick cat who is not really into reality and uses politics to get his revenge on the world.
Poldiddy Says:
You people are all a bunch of haters. Rove is brilliant;
Rove is not brilliant, he is a sick man who can be clever in a disturbed sociopathic way.
September 15th, 2008 at 12:19 amBut thanks for giving us the troll point of view.
Poldiddy Says:
Polidiot, you rant because you are a punk. A very stupid piece of garbage who LOVES to be lied to. The Dems are done? The ones that WIPED THE GOP OUT the last election? You are demented, brainwashed and ignorant. Keep telling yourself the lies and begging to be lied to because you are too stupid to think for yourself.
September 15th, 2008 at 1:30 amThanks for proving my point. Eugene, I'm a punk hahah Great wisdom, just keep sitting your fat ass behind the computer calling people names. It makes you feel good. Please don't address the fact that the policies you support have been proven not to work and actually hurt all working Americans. You too flavorino, he's a kkk twerp! hahaha Let's not forget the witty scholar Wizard2000, using words he doesn't understand. Hey Wizard2000 I am confused be your use of the liberal catch all word "Fascist". Please explain and define it for me, then tell me in what instance it applies?
September 15th, 2008 at 1:41 amBarfly, you're obviously an pinhead.
Perhaps you shouldn’t have been so overbroad: “The most a governor can do is veto funding, but a governor cannot increase funding.”
First, just because you're not going to be allowed to not keep on point, the issue is that FactCheck,org is not credible and the intellectually laziness and ThinkProgress's snark is typical of what has become wrong with our side, and that we're talking about AK not WS.
Second, FactCheck.org clearly was talking about AK (regular) state funds, not Federal (emergency) funds, and that clearly was the context of the statement that Palin "In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.” FactCheck.org was not talking about Palin shifting funding, she did not shift funding.
Third, your attempt to make a distinction here is a fallacious and childish semantic game: The WS governor did not "increase" funding in the sense that FactCheck.org stated Palin did as governor of AK. In the WS case, the U.S. Congress appropriated the funds, they were allocated to WS through a process specified by law by Congress, and the governor of WS spent them as he was constrained under the laws, exactly as I said. The governor of WS did not increase the amount of Federal funds made available to WS. He spent the funds appropriated by Congress and then given to the state in the way Congress directed they could be spent. Just like Palin did what the Republican leader of the AK legislature said the state legislature said she ended up going along after they did all the work and appropriated the funds, rather than veto the bill:
'She had no role whatsoever’ in the development of the legislation, said it’s author, Representative Mike Hawker, a Republican, ‘Her role was signing. She recognized the importance of what we did and endorsed it’
Your point turns on a childish semantic game. The question is, are you a right-wing pinhead who plays semantic games, a left-wing pinhead who plays semantic games? Or are you just a pinhead who plays semantic games because you don't know how to think, and therefore don't know the difference between thinking and the sophmoric snarking like Matt did in this column?
September 15th, 2008 at 2:26 amMy psych class call these types of personalities (Rove, rabid Bushies, etc) SOCIOPATHS. They will not admit that what they are saying or doing is wrong and will not admit it for love nor money even when their lies are exposed. Rove is a sociopath by the exact definition, pure and simple. And he IS helping the McCan't campaign, so that just speaks volumes for the new lows we can expect them to take in the future.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:58 amUnfortunately, this time Rove is right.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/nonpartisan-factcheckorg-not-q.php
http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.com/2005/02/factcheck-annenberg-right-wing-bias.html
http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2005/08/factcheckorg_st.html
September 15th, 2008 at 8:57 amPoldiddy Says:
Thanks for proving my point.
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You didnt make any points you moronic propaganda parrot. Regurgitating all the stupidity you hear from the radio wingnuts isnt making a point. Its repeating the hivemind stupidity you have been told to believe. It is stupid beyond belief to make a statement like the policies I support have been proven not to work. You are a moron that is evident to anyone. Baseless assertions are not points. Mischaracterising liberal policies isnt making a point. The only point you have EVER had is on top of your head. You brainwashed hivemind morons are pathetic and laughable. You repeat BS and are SO stupid you think its making a point. Grow up. Work hard and TRY to obtain the requisite equipment for higher brain function. As of yet it looks like you have NO BRAIN only a tape recorder you MORON. And YES you are a punk
September 15th, 2008 at 9:46 amI'd like Rove to answer who male prostitute Jeff Gannon/Guckert visited in the White House and then have that fact-checked.
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