George Allen: ‘Americans are not addicted to oil, they’re addicted to freedom.’
George Allen: ‘Americans are not addicted to oil, they’re addicted to freedom.’
Today on Laura Ingraham’s radio show, former Virgina governor George Allen (R) scoffed at claims that Americans are addicted to oil, calling it “an elitist point of view.” Allen insisted it was freedom, not oil, that Americans were actually addicted to:
ALLEN: I love that statement, America is addicted to oil. What an elitist point of view. Americans are not addicted to oil. Americans are addicted to freedom — the freedom and liberty to move where and when we want.
Listen here:
Allen stands alone in his defiance. Alongside energy experts and progressive politicians, prominent members of Allen’s own party have long since admitted the truth. In 2006, President Bush declared, “America is addicted to oil,” and just this past June, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) said, “America is so addicted to oil it will take us years to wean ourselves from it.” Does Allen think Bush and Schwarzenegger are elitists?
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“Americans are not addicted to oil. Americans are addicted to freedom.”
Americans are addicted to freedom. Americans are enslaved by the big oil conglomerate and the enabling politicains in the Republican Party.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:09 pmAh that freedom and liberty to drive one’s fat ass the two blocks to the convenience story to buy some more high fructose corn syrup related products…
September 15th, 2008 at 7:10 pmYeah the “freedom” to drive 30 miles each way every day to a crappy job that pays $8/hour
September 15th, 2008 at 7:13 pmAs any Washington Redskins fan can tell you George Allen Sr. Was a very fine football coach but his belief was you traded the future away for short term results in the present. Any question where JR got his political thinking?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:14 pmGeorge Allen… this is just one of those times when the turd will not go down the toilet.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:15 pmI’m not addicted to alcohol, I’m addicted to being drunk.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:16 pmAnd now enjoying freedom is bad? WOW.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pmCould not listen tot he clip as I can not stand Laura Ingraham’s voice… if by chance it was in there.
Americans are not addicted to oil. Americans are addicted to freedom — the freedom and liberty to move where and when we want.
Unless of course they’re Macacan’s.
Idiot
RIP
September 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
MACACA!!
September 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pmI am thinking that maybe congress should waste some time declaring it “freedom fuel” rather than that boring “home heating oil”
September 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pmI’m also not addicted to tobacco. I am addicted to the feeling that I get from smoking.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:20 pmwell, that’s just the usual bullshite…
it’s always opposite day in bushco bizarro world…
as our freedoms are gradually depleted…
September 15th, 2008 at 7:21 pmCan I presume that ex-Senator Allen (Thanks, Jim Webb), is now lobbying on behalf of the oil industry?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:21 pmIt sounds like Allen is trying to float the idea that Obama is attached to Bush. Bush’s claim of being addicted to oil and the reigh wing claiming Obama is an elitist. These scum bags are trying everything they can.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:21 pmAnd George Allen is addicted to free tax payer money and himself. Neocon = subhuman.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:22 pmAllen is addicted to racism and bigotry. His lovely wife must be so proud of her less-than-a-man. Maybe Allen calls her his little macaca!?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:22 pmWTF is anyone quoting this pompous, bigoted, ignorant, Republican idiot for? He thinks he’s more of a cowboy than Georgie! Even put spittoons in the Governor’s mansion down in Richmond. Jim Webb beat him because Virginian’s were fed up with his garbage and lying, and no one around here I know of wants to see his face again.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pmbad ……… thats good ..
Ah that freedom and liberty to drive one’s fat ass the two blocks to the convenience story to buy some more high fructose corn syrup related products…
Very funny stuff .
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September 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pmevercompromised:
It isn’t that I am addicted to sex, it is just the feeling I get when I….
Oh nevermind…
September 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pmI realize the right wing is addicted to throwing the word “elitist” as an epithet to anyone they don’t like. They throw it out ad hominem that I don’t think that word means what they think it means (to quote that guy in Princess Diaries). I don’t understand what they are trying to say by that actually. How is it elitist to say that Amercia is addicted to oil?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:25 pmHey Georgie Boy, how does it feel to be voted out of office in a Republican state?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:27 pm“FORMER” Virgina governor George Allen (R) –
I see that there is a reason for the “FORMER”
Face and nose is a little RED there Georgie – looks like you are addicted to something – Scotch or maybe MD 20/20?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pmHow the fu(k is “America is addicted to oil” an “elitist” point of view?
My god, these Republicans really don’t give a damn what words actually mean, do they? They are fed the latest demonizing words (”elitist” was a few months back — the current favorite is “sexist” — “earmarks” is a close second) and they just use them willy-nilly, whether they make sense to real English-speakers or not.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pmSorry, Alejcaro; I didn’t see your post before I typed out mine. I wasn’t plagiarizing.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:37 pmLet’s see, Americans cut back driving by 5% in June. That drops us down to 95% Freedom. Eight RNC protestors sit in a Minnesota jail with zero rights, as in no right of habeas corpus.
Do you recall the saying, “When one of us loses our rights, we all do”? Well, that knocks that 95% freedom down to nothing. I guess we’re down to being free to be called “Macacca” by some pinhead running for office.
George Allen’s oil and gas freedom is spelled differently, Freedhem. It’s a one application creme for inflammed arseholes. Treat yourself to a large dab of Freedhem, Mr. Allen.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:49 pmMr. Macaca has caca for brains.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:50 pmIf we are addicted to freedom, then we must resist the republicscum trying to take it away.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pmAnything that reflects on reality is called “elitist.” Anything dealing with a magical realm of conservative narratives is “normal”.
Bootstraps
Freedom
Patriotism
God Blesses America
God Blesses Good Americans
The economy is fundamentally sound
Economy = American Worker
Just Us
End Times
National Security = Energy
Oil = Freedom
Therefore, an insular group of End Times Christians follows God’s orders to get our oil from under the ground of several Middle Eastern countries, thereby saving our national security, which is really our freedom to continue overconsuming and rescue our economy. Freedhem and Just Us for all.
Thank you, Mr. Allen for making that clear…
September 15th, 2008 at 7:59 pmHe’sabsolutely right. Americans are addicted to freedom–which is why they are sick and tired of cars that will only run on monopoly supplied fuels, instead of a variety of sources. They want the ability to go elsewhere or their energy. They’re more than ready to move into a future where the people who give themselves $400 million retirement plans can go take a bath in that Middle Eastern crude.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:00 pmWhile stupid, this is another framing attempt. The nasty libs want to take away your cars and ride around in Cooper Minis at 15 miles an hour! And wear cardigans and bicyle everywhere and give up hamburgerrs and shiver in the cold and dark while listening to the New Pornographers!And Al Gore is a hypocrite with his private jet!
The problem is not energy, the problem is (imported) fossil fuels. And it ain’t the liberals who are ruining it, it’s the oilmen and the oil speculators who have made it punishing to drive. It’s the Republicans who are forcing people onto their bicycles and into the cold and dark.
Mene Mene Tekel Uparshin, George.
evercompromised Says:
I’m not addicted to alcohol, I’m addicted to being drunk.a
NICE!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:03 pmSo why did we go fight in Iraq? FREEDOM!
LET FREEDOM REIGN!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:05 pmDeep down I always knew that something was wrong….when the other neighborhood kids were busy beating the crap out of each other or dynamiting frogs with cherry-bombs I’d sneak away to read the Constitution or watch “Why We Fight”—I knew it wasn’t right but it felt natural to me, it made me feel…well, free I guess.
But as time went on I became obsessed with freedom, especially after the 2000 elections. I’d spend hours and hours scouring websites that purveyed ever more exotic forms of freedom—of thought, of sexuality, of faith, of movement, of speech, of action, of opportunity and I just couldn’t get enough! Freedom made me feel powerful, in control, but I realize now that freedom was controlling me! It was the wrong kind of freedom.
I’d fooled myself into believing that freedom is free but I realize now that it is not free—it’s a copyrighted and trademarked product to which the GOP owns sole rights and patents in perpetuity and the descriptions, specifications, availability, delivery, value and fitness for use may be altered by the GOP at any time without notice.
It’s a terrible thing to be addicted to freedom because when you are given the strength and support to forget about freedom, just for a day, you realize how freedom is just an illusion. I know thanks to the interventions of men like George Allen, with his help and the help of the rest of the GOP, I can now say that I am completely freedom free! Praise the lord! YES!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:05 pmJosephNobles Says:
So why did we go fight in Iraq? FREEDOM!
LET FREEDOM REIGN!
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WOW that was top shelf satire. As for Macaca Allen he like much of the rightwing is addicted to stupid. Saying stupid things repeating stupid things said believing REALLY stupid things. It seems to be their defining characteristic
September 15th, 2008 at 8:08 pm5th Estate Says:
I’d fooled myself into believing that freedom is free but I realize now that it is not free—it’s a copyrighted and trademarked product to which the GOP owns sole rights and patents in perpetuity and the descriptions, specifications, availability, delivery, value and fitness for use may be altered by the GOP at any time without notice.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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This was sheer brilliance. I salute you…
September 15th, 2008 at 8:19 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
5th Estate Says:
This was sheer brilliance. I salute you…
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Boy howdy I completely agree
September 15th, 2008 at 8:21 pm“Americans are addicted to freedom.”
September 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pmThat’s so cheesy. He speaks like a true Republican baby-boomer. This guy is a racist, his judgment is obviously skewed, just like his party.
Allen is one worthless jerkoff.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pmIt is totally cheesy. It’s so insincere and crafted for maximum effect, to appeal to people Allen makes fun of when he’s at his country club.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:14 pmI thought freedom was the ability to choose among brands at the grocery store? Isn’t that usually the first item on the list of our precious freedoms? What about choosing from various energy choices? Isn’t that freedom? I don’t feel addicted to oil, I feel enslaved by it. I live within 3 miles of my workplace. I would love to ride my bike, but I don’t feel anywhere near safe doing it. The road is very busy, and there are daily car accidents (not much of an exaggeration and even frequent incidents involving pedestrians). There is no way people pay attention to cyclists. There is a bike lane part of the way, but I have NEVER seen anyone use it. I could walk, but again no sidewalks for over half the distance, and not even a shoulder of the road elsewhere! There is no bus service despite being in a populous area. So, while I would like to use other options, it is not nearly as feasible as it should be. I guess here in GA we only get government subsidized freedom to move by auto, and no government subsidy for other modes of transportation. I guess all the money that could go to sidewalks and the like is probably being spent on lawyers to defend confederate flag displays and prepare legal opinions on allowing guns in the airport.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmA few intelligent friends and I were discussing the new meaning of “elitist”. The best we came up with is that it’s code for “intellectual” or “educated”. (NOTE: Educated means educated in a non-Bible college.)
The GOP seems to be framing the debate to rouse the fear of the intellectual, much like any totalitarian regime in history. Deep thinkers are a danger to the GOP and so they project intellectuals as dangerous to the sheeple. The first step is to discredit the intellectuals. The second is flat-out persecution.
Alas, this process is thriving in today’s United States. Bushco has squelched anyone who makes a case which is contrary to the GOP’s machinations. Flippy McSpin and his Chippy are billed as “just like us”. Common idiots with sub-par intellects are, according to GOP spin, not likely to fool us. Hey! If they were all that smart they might be expected to make sense. Or tell the truth.
But, common idiots like Flippy and Chippy are in no danger of committing either of those sins. They may lie and dissemble and be flat-out wrong on every issue but, we simple sheeple will be able to understand their motives. That’s very comforting to those who can’t reason for themselves.
Sen. Obama, on the other hand, is SMART. There’s no way to hide it. And that little fact will scare as many people away from him as his dark skin. The word is out. Sen. Obama is so smart that he might do things plain, simple, idiots won’t even comprehend. He’s smart enough to fool people, if he’s so inclined. And the GOP will spare nothing to ensure that every simple idiot in the country is convinced he’s inclined to do just that.
And that, in a nutshell, is why “elitist” has become a dirty word in the mouths of the Reichwhiners. I think.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmYou’re probably right, pete. I wasn’t thinking that deeply about it (does this mean you’re an ‘elitist”???) but there probably is more to it than the simple pavlovian reflex I was envisioning.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmOf course Dubya and Onnie are “elitists” in that, by definition, they are among a dominant select group.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmFreedom is an illusion. There will always be suffering – even for elitists.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
You’re probably right, pete. I wasn’t thinking that deeply about it (does this mean you’re an ‘elitist”???) but there probably is more to it than the simple pavlovian reflex I was envisioning.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
You covered the reflex, I covered the motivation. And I wouldn’t have done that if the subject hadn’t come up recently.
And anyone without a Flippy/Chippy sticker on both their 4X4s is an “elitist”. Unless they are a “communistic”, “terrorist loving”, “anti-American”, “Satan-worshiping-sodomite-Darwinist”.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pmAbsolutely Pete.
I think this is one of their main objectives and has been for a long time. Smart people are not to be trusted as they may do things that you don’t understand. And on top of it, many of them are not religious!
Unfortunately, it is not just the politicians that do this. Our society as a whole values almost everything else over intellect – appearance, athleticism, financial status, etc. This is a part of our culture that is very deeply ingrained. Even at the universities where I have worked, it is very apparent that in many social circles, students are reluctant to show overt displays of intellectual ability. It is not “cool.” In what other context is someone who is extremely proficient in a characteristic referred to in a pejorative sense (brainiac, geek, nerd, etc.) On top of it, getting an education and being successful is not lauded as fullfilling the American dream to nearly the extent that other success stories are – e.g. drop outs succeeding in business, athletes/actors/musicians making it big. Republicans play into this very effectively, despite the fact they are just as susceptible to the same elitist label.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pmClearly, George Allen is addicted to horse poop.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pmVery true, tbone.
Humans are afraid of things they can’t, or fear they can’t, understand. And fear has always been the most effective tool of those who wish to manipulate the masses. It’s hardly unique to our country or our time.
But, I can’t recall a time in American history when there’s been such a concerted, official, policy of anti-intellectualism. It smacks of Soviet style communism. Which is particularly ironic since “the Right” claims to abhor all things which can be construed as communistic. At least within their limited understanding.
Heck, I grew up while we were exercising every bit of our nation’s brain power to harness the atom and journey beyond the Earth. And I was in my 20’s before I realized that the Jetson’s flying cars would remain a cartoon for my lifetime.
There has been a shift and I think it began when Ronnie Raygun started humping Fallwell’s leg on national TV. At least that’s when “Belief” began to trump “knowledge” in public policy. But the official war on truth conducted by Bushco has reached unprecedented lows. And Flippy and Chippy would, almost certainly, make it worse.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmOh, George Allen, will you ever say something that makes me think you’re smart?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmFreedom to drive a monster truck that gets 15 miles to the gallon? Freedom to pay $5 per gallon? Not me! I want an affordable hybrid plug-in that gets 65 mpg. Hopefully, in the not too distant future, there will be totally electric cars with a decent range.
People like Allen want everything in the US being dependent on how much money you earn and then having half the people on a wage they cannot live on. There’s no freedom there! Too many people are not free to have healthcare, education, own a house, etc.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmPete.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pmYep, I think it is very possible that McCain/Palin could lower the bar even further. Right now, we have some degree of scientific censorship with Bush bureaucrats controlling the message of government scientists and preferring to spout claims made by industry sponsored research. If somehow Palin ever became Pres. (through indirect or direct means) I could envision a scientific advisor that advocates government funded research into intelligent design. For these guys, the ends always justifies the means, and Soviet-style Lysenkoism could be in our future.
he’s got a nose
like w.c. fields
doesn’t he?
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:44 pm.We don’t need no stink’n oil, we’re more addicted to food and water. We should not buy food from other countries, especially from ones that hate us. America should be food-independent.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:44 pmhere’s an absurd thought -
humans don’t want freedom
they’d rather be slaves
.
FREEDOM! Hell yeah!
And nothing says FREEDOM! like addiction to foreign oil! Yeah, Baby!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pmSo oil = food and water? What can you say in response to that? Seriously?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:48 pmOddly, I remember that freedom meant the freedom to react to reality. It also meant that one bore the consequences of their actions.
How free are we gonna be at gasoline at $2, oops, $3, oops, $4, oops, $5…..$10 per gallon gas ? How free with global warming flooding the coast. How free……
September 15th, 2008 at 10:49 pmUSpace Says:
.We don’t need no stink’n oil, we’re more addicted to food and water. We should not buy food from other countries, especially from ones that hate us. America should be food-independent.
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here’s an absurd thought -
humans don’t want freedom
they’d rather be slaves
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when you forget to take
your lithium this is how
you act.
^
and you have no one to
blame but yourself.
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good luck.
:)
September 15th, 2008 at 10:49 pmtbone Says:
So oil = food and water? What can you say in response to that? Seriously?
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yes, as i stated earlier
without his mood stabilizing
drugs he would put oil in his mouth
and cheetos in his gas tank.
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he’s a republican and
he has problems.
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good luck.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:51 pmMood-stabilizing drugs are cool, the state pays for mine…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:54 pm.
just seize those profits
stop evil corporations
- raise unemployment
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Liberals complain a lot about America’s dependence on oil. I applaud those who walk their own walk (literally) or ride their bike. But when I see Al Gore and all the leftist politicians and Hollywood stars driving a VW bug instead of a limo and taking a commercial flight instead of using a personal jet, I’ll believe they really mean what they say.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:56 pmOoh Onamonapeia, they’re gonna get you for that one…be afraid, be very afraid…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:59 pmUSpace Says:
Mood-stabilizing drugs are cool, the state pays for mine…
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just seize those profits
stop evil corporations
- raise unemployment
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rent this space.
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September 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pmonamonapeia Says:
Liberals complain a lot about America’s dependence on oil. I applaud those who walk their own walk (literally) or ride their bike. But when I see Al Gore and all the leftist politicians and Hollywood stars driving a VW bug instead of a limo and taking a commercial flight instead of using a personal jet, I’ll believe they really mean what they say.
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whiskey
tango
fox trot?
:)
September 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pmOnomonapeia:
September 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pmThat’s fine with me. I don’t always believe a particular advocate of a cause is necessarily the best spokesperson or role model. But someone’s inability to be the ideal role model doesn’t discount the validity of the cause.
boy o’ boy… I can’t wait to let the “conservatives” I know hear about this. According to you, they are now “liberals.” I find it pretty telling that you believe only “liberals” understand the nuances of our current oil situation.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:14 pmWTF does Al Gore, or any other “librul”, have to do with Mr. Allen making asinine statements? Perhaps I’m getting sleepy but, I fail to see the relevance.
And as for “complaining about America’s dependence on oil”? Well, I can’t speak for “libruls” but my complaint is that official policy doesn’t fit the available facts.
I really hate liars. Especially if they are supposed to work for me.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:14 pmTrue tbone, like if a liar like Bush said that Obama would be a good replacement for him, it wouldn’t make it false…
September 15th, 2008 at 11:15 pmalso, what does that make you, onamonapeia? how should we label one who complains about the complainers?
September 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmUSSPACE, probably true, and sad that certain views are almost dangerous to express these days.
Joe Cantwell, let me be more blunt. Where does a man who flies a private jet or drives a limo get off telling the rest of the world to cut their energy use? Sounds like hypocrisy to me. If Al Gore sincerely believed his own propaganda of impending doom, he’d be cutting his own energy use. Last time I heard, he and his wife use significantly more energy than most much larger families.
tbone, to an extent, you’re right. But it does make that person a hypocrite. Does a man with ten children have the right to tell the rest of the world they may only have one apoiece? Is a man with ten children a credible voice for population control? No. And those who use private jets and limos are not credible when they tell the rest of us to go without or tell us they are afraid of the coming crisis due to energy use. If they were truly so afraid, they would cut their own carbon footprint.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmNOTE TO THINKPROGRESS: I LUV you guys, but you MUST change this heading to:
“GOP Senator calls Bush an Elitist”
That is the way to make a provocative heading … Anyone who says America is addicted to oil automatically falls into the elist category by George Allen’s statement.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:19 pmStupid troll.
Someone would have to implant a functioning brain, and conscience, in Mr. Chimpy before he would ever say any such thing. Unless he were drunk.
Introducing an impossible scenario to bolster a merit-less argument is the trick of little minds.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pmalpluz… cute. By that logic, a certain group may spout anything they like and no one may present a different point of view.
I am not complaining. I am stating another view. I am stating why I do not find these people credible when they complain and criticize.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pmreally? sounds like you’re complaining to me… I’m just glad I don’t have to work w/ you.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pmonamonapeia Says:
alpluz… cute. By that logic, a certain group may spout anything they like and no one may present a different point of view.
I am not complaining. I am stating another view. I am stating why I do not find these people credible when they complain and criticize.
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and yet the market
dropped 500+ points today.
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why can’t that darn liberal
reality be fair?
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September 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmLet Al Bore go nuts, CO2 doesn’t cause warming, the sun does; then warming causes CO2 levels to rise…
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
become rich on false fear
write books and sell movies
September 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pmtruth is inconvenient
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who is Al Bore? Al Gore? go ahead and add comedy to list of things these rethugs are incapable of doing successfully.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:32 pmonamonapeia Says:
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I was wondering where backdoor had gone…
September 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pmOnomon.
That’s all well and good that you don’t consider Al Gore credible. If you don’t like him, then perhaps you can go to the source of the scientific research that generates the evidence for climate change. And if you do, you may find articles like this one that talks about USpace’s issue of solar warming.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11650
That contains several links within it that are peer-reviewed articles that may be of help.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pmUSpace Says:
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I gotta say… you’re a puzzler.
Apparently you think you’re some sort of card, but you’re not funny.
Not even close.
What you say doesn’t even come near to making sense. Just snide gibberish. All you’re really doing is embarrassing yourself. And… you don’t get it…
God of the Internet says…
Wha the HHHHHHH is this IDIOT babbling about?
September 15th, 2008 at 11:43 pmUSpace ,
how many did you take
and what were they?
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absurd thought.
:)
September 15th, 2008 at 11:45 pmWell, as long as we are off topic.
Al Gore did the world a disservice by hosting that stupid movie. Because he’s a career politician (though to all appearances he’s retired) all those who disagree with his politics have assumed that his participation was politically motivated. And perhaps it was. In any case he should have known better.
However, Mr. Gore’s politics are irrelevant. What is relevant is the collected knowledge of a generation of scientists, from all political persuasions, from many disciplines, and many nations. The consensus is clear and predates Mr. Gores contributions by around twenty years.
Personally, I was alarmed before the movie and haven’t bothered to see it. Since I am capable of reading figures and doing math? I don’t need any canned conclusions. It’s the data that forces the conclusion that human emissions are driving a major change in the Earth’s climate.
Fact: Atmospheric CO2 is at an, at least, 100,000 year high.
Fact: Atmospheric CO2 has risen in direct proportion to measured human emissions.
Fact: Global average temperature is rising at a rate unseen since accurate data was available.
Fact: CO2 and other greenhouse gases contribute to the Earth retaining heat.
Fact: The ONLY “scientists” who dispute these facts are paid, in one form or another, by the energy industry.
Of course, none of that has anything to do with Mr. Allen’s political musings.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
USpace Says:
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Wha the HHHHHHH is this IDIOT babbling about?
^
he’s been sniffing
sarah’s panties again.
drives him krazy.
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god of the internet.
:0
September 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pmpete Says:
Personally, I was alarmed before the movie and haven’t bothered to see it.
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Neither have, for the same reason.
I’ve lived near not one, but TWO Superfund clean-up sites in this lifetime. Are we wrecking the world? At times, it seems as fast as possible, w/ some sort of a vengeance.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pmFact: In the last century, the average temperature increased only 1 (one) degree…
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don’t research all theories
put an end to all debate
September 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pmsilence all your critics
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Ah yes… more unintelligible gibberish…
God the Internet says…
Make no sense
September 16th, 2008 at 12:01 amAnd you have no need
to defend your point.
USpace and Onom.,
September 16th, 2008 at 12:08 amAre we not addicted to oil? Where I live, a hurricane 1000 miles away caused a run on gas this weekend so half of the stations are out of gas! Sounds like addictive behavior to me.
Fact: A one degree rise in temperature would be significant when talking about the global average. The actual rise of 2.7 degrees Celsius, 4.8 degrees Fahrenheit, is alarming.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:08 amWarm weather is cool. It’s better for growing food. Over history, warm periods have been periods of growth and prosperity. Especially for poor countries.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
spread hysteria
wildly exaggerate
September 16th, 2008 at 12:21 amscare little kids not ready
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Christ what a post… great ending there … oh, the irony.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:24 amThank you, thank you very much…
September 16th, 2008 at 12:28 amWrong as always stupid troll. The latest science implicates global warming in, at least, three mass extinction events aside from the one we find ourselves in. And mass extinction events hit the top of the food chain the hardest. We humans have managed to dodge the bullet by forcing lower animals out of their niches but, we’re just about out of niches.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:40 amUSpace Says:
Warm weather is cool. It’s better for growing food. Over history, warm periods have been periods of growth and prosperity. Especially for poor countries.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am
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Um, no. No it’s really not. It’s actually much worse for growing food – especially in poor, agrarian countries that are already on the verge of desertification. Warm periods may be good for people in Norway, but not so much for people in the Sahel.
And you’re right – CO2 doesn’t cause warming. CO2 traps solar heat in the atmosphere, which is why our planet isn’t a frigid wasteland. Now that we’ve added excess CO2 into the atmosphere, it’s trapping more heat, which then releases more CO2 from the oceans. It’s a vicious cycle, and during the times in our planet’s history that this type of thing has happened before, it’s caused mass extinctions. Wanna guess what’s going to happen this time?
September 16th, 2008 at 12:47 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Ah yes… more unintelligible gibberish…
God the Internet says…
Make no sense
And you have no need
to defend your point.
Good one RoS!
September 16th, 2008 at 12:52 amPure twaddle…
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
have faith in junk science
destroying economies
September 16th, 2008 at 12:53 ammay serve your world view
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We should plant more trees and rain forests…everywhere…
September 16th, 2008 at 12:54 amyeah senator allen, no f#gs around here, just a bunch of dudes who like f#ck#ng other dudes
September 16th, 2008 at 12:57 amUSpace Says:
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
have faith in junk science
destroying economies
may serve your world view
September 16th, 2008 at 12:53 am
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I don’t have faith in junk science. I do, however, take the facts presented by real science seriously. No faith necessary.
And no economic destruction necessary, either. Switching from a fossil-fuel based economy to a renewable and sustainable one will create jobs, not destroy them.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:01 amPlease define elitist for this guy.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:19 amHe is talking about himself.
The CO2 emission levels that the UN people are pushing for is the same level the USA had in the 1870s. That’s impossible to achieve, and not desirable either. We would be ruined, and besides, you’ll never get China or India to go along.
There’s nothing we can do to change the weather anyway, that’s the bottom line.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
humans’ breath is poison
just one child hurts the world
September 16th, 2008 at 1:21 amworse than a jet engine
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Still wrong, on all counts, stupid troll.
The human race needs to reconsider how, when, and why we burn carbon-laden fuel. The rest of the industrialized world is already taking steps to do that and are creating whole new industries as they go. Unfortunately the good ol’ U.S.A. is falling behind on alternative energy. Just like we did in production of automobiles and consumer electronics. But, what the heck? If you are happy to replace Mideastern oil with German solar panels and Chinese wind turbines, wait for them.
Reducing emissions is not only possible, it’s already happening. People claimed it was impossible to reduce other pollution sources yet, we have done so. Everything from cars to coal plants are cleaner and more efficient than they once were. And we have stopped the emissions of some; like DDT, PCBs, and Dioxin.
As for human respiration, I once thought that too. However humans typically replace other creatures and require densely planted crops so, the vast number of people doesn’t greatly increase the net CO2 content of the atmosphere. Simply burning stuff in a wasteful manner is an entirely different story. That’s all carbon which would not have been in the atmosphere; not to mention all the other toxins we needlessly pump into the environment.
Plus, we humans have already changed the weather. Believe as you wish but, there really is no legitimate debate on that point. And I’ve seen it with my own eyes as have countless thousands of scientists and lay people alike.
So? I humbly suggest you STFU, take your favorite verse, fold it four ways, light it on fire, and insert it in your Southern orifice. Cause you sure as Hell don’t have a clue about what you are arguing.
G’night good people.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:10 amYou too trolls.
every time a repugs opens his/her mouth they lie or talk in tongues, they can’t help it. They’re total idiots.
Then stupidass todd (msnbc) and his bs map of all the red states he believes mcchimpy has is just plain bs. that dude makes me sicker every time I watch him.
How can mcchimpy win? Is the US that fuicking stupid?
And I never heard such bs in my life. white people will say good things about Sen. Obama in person and then will vote against their better judgment. Why vote for doom, thick head?
Another little tidbit: after all their fake bs about Sen. Obama’s pastor, look what mcchimpy does. mcchimpy sought after and reached out to the dippy “preacher.”
It’s like a “gotcha” moment or “I make you look.” Typical repugs bs.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:11 amBy having George Allen on your radio show, aren’t you just saying “I broadcast to the lowest common (white) denominator”?
The man believes in freedom, like that that was dispensed for the better part of the 19th century.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:15 amHow can someone formerly elected to public office utter something as infantile and inane as “we’re addicted to freedom” while at the same time rejecting a useful and pertinent statement such as “we’re addicted to oil”?
I’m sorry, but if you heard this broadcast and weren’t immediatly sickened at how moronic political discourse has become, then you’re an idiot. Republicans are trying to make the uneducated and uninformed their base. By calling people with a firm grasp on our energy crisis “elitits,” they are blatantly appealing to those ill-informed enough to make serious political decisions. Like the automotons that chanted “Drill, drill, drill” at the Republican Convention, anyone who thinks that the U.S. can continue on our current path of super-consumption is seriously disturbed.
September 16th, 2008 at 5:27 amAs big an aschloch as his old man was!
September 16th, 2008 at 6:36 amOnce again, trying to frame it as overall energy usage. and saying Libs want to make you ride bicycles, and that Al Gore is a hyocrite.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:19 amIt’s not energy, it’s gasoleeeeen.
Jimmy Carter sounded the alert for alternative energy, but Ronald Reagan took the solar panels down from the White House roof.He removed the subsidies for alternative fuel research.
If we had committed to alternative fuels, we would be a more independent country, the Arab oil sheiks would be vastly less powerful (because Europe and Japan would have followed suit–but Big Oil would not be raking in the money because of their monopoly on a vital resource. And we can’t have that.
Now, when Republicans sneer at libs and bicycles, they’ve got nothing on the other side, except the lie of drill drill drill.
You need a crunch to avoid a crash–but it’s too late for that, now that the crash is here. It will take time for a full-bodied non-oil solution to get in place, and up until then conservation–and government support–are the only things that will lessen the pain.
It’s not an ascetic future that the libs envision–it’s a free one. The Repubs however say that freedom is slavery to the oil companies.
And Al Gore is a hypocite.
Twaddle, drill everywhere, and develop new energy, of all kinds…
USpace Says:
The CO2 emission levels that the UN people are pushing for is the same level the USA had in the 1870s. That’s impossible to achieve, and not desirable either. We would be ruined, and besides, you’ll never get China or India to go along.
There’s nothing we can do to change the weather anyway, that’s the bottom line.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
humans’ breath is poison
just one child hurts the world
September 16th, 2008 at 9:25 amworse than a jet engine
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and furthermore:
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
NO MORE oil for you
rarely may you drill for it
September 16th, 2008 at 9:27 amlimit refining of it
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Wassa matta stupid troll. Forgot how to read or did you finally replace your brain with a fecal pellet? I already debunked that BS. Are you really stupid enough to revisit your failed “logic”?
pete Says: # 105
September 16th, 2008 at 10:03 amSpeaking of refineries. The consensus is that we could save around 20% of our gross oil consumption by an aggressive modernization of our nation’s refineries plus, we could relocate many to less vulnerable/flood-prone areas.
Add that to simple things like outlawing incandescent light bulbs and “drive-thrus” and we can reduce our greenhouse emissions quite a chunk. Of course, such measures would also reduce gross consumption so the energy industry and it’s whores won’t do it without being forced. And as long as idiot trollish types Believe “it’s impossible” it’s up to thinking people to keep the pressure on.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:15 amWhat kind of idiot would claim it’s a good idea to let the Bush Administration, and their creatures, negotiate new oil leases? Would even a stupid troll be stupid enough to let those greedy morons negotiate anything? Doesn’t the idiot troll realize that the current government wouldn’t just give the industry the leases, they would also provide public funding for development of the resource?
Kee-Riste this is a stupid troll.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:20 amAmericans are addicted to the freedom of moving Allen out
September 16th, 2008 at 12:31 pmof the Governors mansion.
I know that some years ago George Allen tried to get a brain transplant. Was he ever successful in that endeavor?
September 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pmallen is addicted to stickin his head up his azz
and on a calm night you can hear a muffled voice sayin I wish I could quit you
September 16th, 2008 at 6:57 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS AND WAY OF LIFE…
And so THEY(sic) have lobbied, debated and legislated away foundational Freedoms and altered our way of life.
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September 17th, 2008 at 1:14 amUSpace Says:
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Why are you here? Do you really get that big a kick out of parading your astonishing igonrance and humiliating yourself? Did you think abject stupidity was an admirable trait. I mean I like a free clown show as much as anyone but you are just sad.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:40 pmif Mr. Allen was teachable, I’d try to explain to him the difference between freedom, in the sense of liberty and licence. Driving SUV’s and out-sized pickups is not an expression of liberty but of license, an excessive or undue taking of liberties with the environment for our children, as well as driving up the price of fuel for those of us who drive gas sippers, not guzzlers.
Freedom has to be exercised responsibly or it passes over into license and luxury in the negative senses historians used of the Roman Empire. That’s what SUV’s and F-150’s etc. are: our licentious and luxurious chariots. And our fate will be simila to that of the Roman Empire.
October 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pm