McCain campaign says Palin won’t talk to Troopergate investigator.
By on Sep 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
McCain campaign says Palin won’t talk to Troopergate investigator.
The McCain campaign said tonight that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) “won’t speak with an investigator hired by lawmakers to look into the firing of her public safety commissioner” in the controversy known as “Troopergate.” The campaign declared the investigation to be “tainted,” despite the fact that the five-member committee is composed of three Republicans and two Democrats. Palin had previously agreed to cooperate and thus was not subpoenaed. Reporting the story tonight, Keith Olbermann said, “It is like installing a giant neon sign over her head saying, ‘I’m hiding something.’”
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Cause if she does she’ll say something that will just phuck everything up even more. Oops was I suppose to say that? I bet I wasn’t.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:22 pmhow different her stand
is from cheney or bush.
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September 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmThe new media push: “What’s Sarah Hiding?”
September 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmI think TP might be drawing a false conclusion here.
The campaign isn’t basing their claim that the investigation is “tainted” on political realities; they’re basing their claim on the realization that they have no other option.
They HAVE to refuse to cooperate, and they HAVE to assault the integrity of the process, because they’ve got no other cards to play.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmHer silence will speak volumes.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmSo explain again to me slowly—so I can actually grasp the gravity of —just how Todd Palin, not an Alaska state employee or elected official, features so prominently in this matter? Messenger boy? Orchestral conductor? I don’t know…
Is this the conservative Christian ‘right rib of Adam’ ‘dutiful wife, obeying her husband’ thing come home to roost in state government?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmSince when does McCain determine who will testify in this investigation?
He can’t really claim executive privilege can he, not now, not later.
McCain is dirty. If ignorant republican/conservatives fall for his line we all go down together; this is why I really think less of these uninformed masses.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmSarah is just showing how she’s all about open and honest government.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmHey, speaking of that ‘obedient wife’ concept, look what just popped up on my RSS feed from Salon:
Sarah Palin’s powerful “First Dude”
Todd Palin has exerted unusual influence on his wife’s Alaska government. In Washington, their methods would do Bush and Cheney proud.
Uh, oh. Off to read it in depth… Won’t you join me?
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/16/todd_palin/index.html?source=rss
September 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmI cannot take another 4 years of this crap. This must end on Nov. 4. I hope the Alaskan legislature has more self-respect than Congress.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmHey, I’ve read this book before! Every month for the past seven+ years. I know how it goes, they are always too good for the law. They keep denying they have done anything wrong, but won’t participate in the system to exonerate themselves!
And, McCain/Palin states, “the commission is tainted” Well, it DOES have three Republicans on it. (I might think it is tainted, too.)
“We don’t have to comply with no stinkin’ laws!”
September 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmThey’re going to have to deal with this issue in a positive way before the debate. With a republican majority on the committee, and members of both parties requesting her compliance, her maverickyness begins to smell like good old fashioned Kingfisher-style corruption.
In fact, that’s who she reminds me of most of all: Huey Long.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmBut will people listen?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pmGov. Palin = Dick Cheney in a dress.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:51 pmSubpoena her butt and dont take no for an answer. Abuse of power is grounds for impeachment.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pmbarfly Says:
In fact, that’s who she reminds me of most of all: Huey Long.
Interesting. How so? Are you from Louisiana?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmBut she has nothing to hide.
She’s not even elected VP yet, and she’s already acting like Cheney.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pmBe afraid…be very afraid…check the state polls…your guy is going down the tubes…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmReporting the story tonight, Keith Olbermann said, “It is like installing a giant neon sign over her head saying, ‘I’m hiding something’…
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Funny… I would have thought that the sign says “Vacancy – This space for rent…”
September 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmthis thread could use
some utterly stupid
and useless troll droppings.
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where’s tracy_5?
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmaaaw, not the one about paul krugman comparing mcSPIN to HOOVER?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pm#19
that “vacancy sign” should be over the head of the demoted Keith Olbermann
September 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmnot that it’s unexpected, but this story, this chapter of the story is spooky… a foreshadowing of the mcPALIN admin?
can the mcLIAR campaign keep the palin-bots from SUBPOENAs?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:07 pmaww, ace, you big sissy, it’s ok, the democrats will protect you once chimpy the cheerleader is out of office and on his way to the hague
September 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pmaceomalley7 Says:
#19
that “vacancy sign” should be over the head of the demoted Keith Olbermann
^
ace you read my post!
give us another stupid one.
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really put your mind to it
this time.
$
thank you.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pmYou folks seem to be entering the second stage…anger…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:09 pmSounds like she has the VP duties filled in and ready to go.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmplain is a liar through and through. I knew she wouldn’t welcome the truth.
What a joke repugs are! If Sen. Obama had an iota of mcchimpy’s bs hill would be the dems’ nomination.
BTW repugs, you are the only ones running a sleazy, chicken neck campaign.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmThis is a smokescreen so they don’t have to talk about the economy.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmPalin has been nothing but a smokescreen, so they could avoid talking about the real issues, ever since she joined the ticket.
>You folks seem to be entering the second stage…anger…
which stage is waging a pre-emptive war based on lies then paying our soldiers killers to stop shooting at us?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmace, why so scared?
the big bad brown man isn’t coming for you.
relax. enjoy the peace and prosperity that seems to always come around when the democrats are in charge.
most of us are tired of republican wars and recessions.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pmWho to contact/harass/pester/notify re indignation?!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:14 pmphilisophical question:
if a republican craps his pants and noone is around to smell it, does it really stink?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pm>Be afraid…be very afraid…check the state polls
link to current electoral map w/poll results please?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pmaceomalley7 Says:
You folks seem to be entering the second stage…anger…
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oooh ace,
you read a book.
i’m impressed.
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when did you first discover
elisabeth kübler-ross?
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go ahead and google it.
we’ll wait.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmYou folks seem to be forgetting the “Rule of Holes”…check out the MSM on this one…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmUsing McCain’s workds and tactfulness, arrest that cunt!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pmCheney had high praise for her today….just like him, only female! Is that enough to scare the beegeebers out of anyone with a brain?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pmThere are six days of Summer left. I will wager that McInpanties will fall before Fall and McInsanities will be discontent long before Winter. They are HISTORY before they even start to make more of the same history.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pmThe incompetence and cowardice of the McCain ticket is jaw dropping.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmaceomalley7 Says:
You folks seem to be forgetting the “Rule of Holes”…check out the MSM on this one…
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i know the rule.
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the one you crawled out of
is the one we should avoid.
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got another?
:)
September 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pmJust think: you’re going to lose to these “incompetents and cowards”…I can’t wait for the first Pauline Kael wail on this blog…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pmI wonder how long before Palin’ shiny newness wears off, and the Palin/McCain ticket are a lost cause at come November.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pmace, your desperation is showing, buddy
mebbe you need to adjust your skirt
September 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmAfter watching the first half of the Dallas/Philadelphia game I am convinced that both teams are made up of McPunt and McRunt (Moderator, remember!) fans: NO DEFENSE!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmaceomalley7 Says:
Just think: you’re going to lose to these “incompetents and cowards”…I can’t wait for the first Pauline Kael wail on this blog…
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know any critics that are alive?
like michael medved.
he’s still alive.
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or is that just a rumor?
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good luck.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pmMcBush appeals to frightened males that are insecure in their manhood and thus cling to macho imagery and bellicose bluster to cover for their inner cowardice and sexual ambiguity.
Which makes aceotrolly a perfect republican stooge.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmRantingTommy Says:
ace, your desperation is showing, buddy
mebbe you need to adjust your skirt
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yeah but a desperate ace
is a funny ace.
+
like at closing time.
everybody pairs up but
poor ol’ ace goes home alone.
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again.
:)
smile ace.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmI love picking on right wing sissies. I know, it’s wrong, but I just can’t help myself. I’m flawed, and I’m ok with that.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmCan you say: schadenfreude???
I’ll check back in the future as your depression deepens…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmI found this snippet from an article on the shock Obama supporters are feeling to actually have a horserace on their hands to encapsulate the Palin effect:
“I just do not trust the American people,” said Eleanor Shavell, 58, a computer programmer, who, along with several others, joked she would move to Canada if Mr Obama loses. “I cannot believe that 80 per cent of this country thinks we’re headed in the wrong direction yet 50 per cent are supporting McCain and Palin. I guess it’s like at school, there’s always got to be a bottom 50 per cent.”
There was some talk about the meaning of the word elitist. Not surprisingly, the accepted definition here at TP was “smart people.” But the quote above best illustrates elitism: Anyone who disagrees with you is necessarily a stupid knuckle-dragger, the “bottom 50 percent.”
If Obama does lose, THAT attitude will be the reason.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmaceomalley7 Says:
Can you say: schadenfreude???
I’ll check back in the future as your depression deepens…
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you mean your gonna pussy out?
you are a republican.
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c’mon man up
and stick around.
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wuss.
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:32 pmWhy, yes, we can, which is why this election (and the last one) are so much fun.
I’ve enjoyed watching you cowards come apart at the seams as your fear is exposed as the phony paper tiger that it is.
It’s kind of nice to watch you sissies squirm, and, since you are a particularly special kind of coward, your desperation is all the more sweet.
schadenfreude indeed.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:32 pm> I’ll check back in the future
> as your depression deepens…
why dont you show us that electoral map we should be worried about troll? you hee-ing and haw-ing because some of your redneck hillbilly states got a little redder with the Biblebeating Barbie on the ticket?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pmHey Ace,
I bet you will love you some Sarahcuda in cahrge after McDepends takes the Big Siesta and she wages war on Russia, Iran and Estonia …. all on her first day as POTUS.
Probelm is, she doesn’t know where any of those countries are on a map.
You must live a sad, sheltered life, Ace.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
I found this snippet from an article on the shock Obama supporters are feeling to actually have a horserace on their hands to encapsulate the Palin effect:
“I just do not trust the American people,” said Eleanor Shavell, 58, a computer programmer, who, along with several others, joked she would move to Canada if Mr Obama loses. “I cannot believe that 80 per cent of this country thinks we’re headed in the wrong direction yet 50 per cent are supporting McCain and Palin. I guess it’s like at school, there’s always got to be a bottom 50 per cent.”
There was some talk about the meaning of the word elitist. Not surprisingly, the accepted definition here at TP was “smart people.” But the quote above best illustrates elitism: Anyone who disagrees with you is necessarily a stupid knuckle-dragger, the “bottom 50 percent.”
If Obama does lose, THAT attitude will be the reason.
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hmmm, in the sixth grade
you were never invited
to any of your classmates’ birthday
parties, were you?
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and it still hurts,
doesn’t it?
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THAT attitude is the
reason you posted that
comment, isn’t it?
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September 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmStop feeling guilty and tell the truth about Sarah Palin. She loves Sarah Palin (and maybe the first dude). Nobody else counts with her. She is a pathological liar with a Napoleonic complex. Could somebody in Alaska please grab her by the neck and yank her to reality? Nah, they are mostly stupid up there (sorry, I know there are some good people there). Or else they love their oil rebate so much they don’t have a clue how truly wrong she is. I can think of at least a thousand people who should be president before she even gets out of her tanning bed.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pmPrima facia evidence that Palin is a faux reformer.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:38 pmThings to remind the American people of over the next 7 weeks:
#1 – John McCain = George Bush. PERIOD. A continuation of the same policies, with redder lipstick. More wars, more recession.
#2 – McCain Lies.
#3 – McCain Lies.
#4 – McCain Lies.
You just can’t trust John McCain.
He lies. (and so does his newest bimbo)
September 15th, 2008 at 10:38 pmO, I almost forgot:
#5 – McCain Lies.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:40 pmHe Lies
September 15th, 2008 at 10:40 pmYou just can’t trust John McCain.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:41 pmBecause he lies.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:42 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Funny how Obama is an elitist, but both he and his running mate Joe Biden, compared to McCain do not come from the same financial circle, or have even close backgrounds. The continued false front that somehow all liberals are elitists will eventually destroy the republican party.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pm7. nofltwlt
So you’re asking the same question I am: Is this some sort of psychic precognition of pending executive priviledge ? (Even though that priviledge doesnt’ exist?)
Seriously, not even president yet and he’s already thumbing his nose at legal bodies acting within their constitutional powers. Looks like he IS ready to be prez.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pmReason McCain gave :” Sarah is taking a tour with me in Straight Talk Express,so she cannot be in Alaska anwering questions”
September 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pmpsst. mccain lies. pass it on.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:54 pmGimmee an L!
Gimmee an I!
Gimmee an A!
Gimmee an R!
What’s that spell?
John McCain!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pmBut seriously folks….
This is the theme that needs to permeate the campaign from here til November:
You just can’t trust John McCain.
He Lies.
Keep It Simple Stupid.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pm>If Obama does lose,
>THAT attitude will be the reason.
No, if Obama looses, I’d blame it more on american media merely being a propaganda tool for the military industrial complex, or diebold. If Obama can’t carry the vital states by more than +5 percent, Diebold will give Mccain a win, I hate to say..
Your “base” is proud of its own stupidity. So honestly, comments like the one you commented on arent all that off the base. You think some sky daddy put his magical godweenie in your saviours mother. You think the earth is 6000 years old. You think women were made from a mans rib, and you’re proud of such idiotic and inexplicably absurd beliefs. You mock institutions of higher learning because they teach things like science, evolution, geology, and moral relativism.
So really, if you guys take pride in beleiving assanine things, dont be surprised when people with 3 digit IQ’s look down on you. Maybe you personally dont beleive these things specificially, but so many of the people you side with do, that you’re guilty by association.
September 15th, 2008 at 10:59 pmKrazny Says:
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Keltoi at Night Says:
Funny how Obama is an elitist, but both he and his running mate Joe Biden, compared to McCain do not come from the same financial circle, or have even close backgrounds. The continued false front that somehow all liberals are elitists will eventually destroy the republican party.
Well, first off, Palin is as blue collar as you can get in American politics, and that is one of three reasons why she is appealing to many, the other two being her gender and her happy, healthy thumping of the Bible.
But you are equating elitism with wealth. I don’t think that works. Lindsey Lohan and Pam Anderson are both super rich, and no one would mistake them for intellectuals or “elites”.
Obama’s immortal quote – delivered to San Fransisco liberal elites – about poor benighted folk bitterly clinging to their guns and religion is a classic elitist statement.
Elitism is “I am better than you, smarter than you, but you are too dumb to know it.” It is the liberal equivalent of the right’s religious bigotry – “I’m saved – are you?”
September 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pmOH MY MOOSE.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pmSomeone has been busy keeping track of the Saracudda’s Troopergate scandal from the beginning it seems. And to think the title of the page is:
“The case for the impeachment of Governor Sarah Palin”
Oh be still my aching heart.
http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-case-for-the-impeachment-of-governor-sarah-palin/
Chocolate Jesus Says:
Maybe you personally dont beleive these things specificially, but so many of the people you side with do, that you’re guilty by association.
HAH! So you agree with those that try to hang Wright, Ayers and Pfleger around Obama’s neck? Guilt by association is not a phrase that should trip from the tongue of an Obama supporter.
I am an agnostic. I believe none of the things you list. But I don’t look down on people who do believe – it is their life, they are a person just like me, they can believe what they want and not earn my scorn. Do I think basing your life on a bronze age fable is silly? Yes, I do. Do I seethe with contempt for those who choose to do so? No – why would I?
Elitism = intellectualism + condescension. Condescension is a very ugly trait and it attracts few votes.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:17 pmKeltoi at Night,
i was going to suggest
you rent “idiocracy“.
but then i thought
you wouldn’t understand it.
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how elitist of me.
:)
September 15th, 2008 at 11:19 pmWhat I think is funny is you have this ace moran and then boytoy at night shows up and they both sound exactly the same.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pmKeltoi,
Don’t make me come up there.
The quote is:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
You took it totally out of context. Now stop it. You know full well the reference to “guns and religion” is predicated with the word “CLINGING” which implies ones last vestige of hope. Ergo, the past administrations have expected things to turn around and nothing has happened for these folks. Obama made a valid observation about desperation. People, in desperate times, tend to hold their religion a little tighter, even though they may have some doubts, and they cling to whatever sort of power they can muster, and typically in economy ravaged towns of which he speaks, that is many times guns. Both things give a false sense of hope.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pmCount Istvan Says:
What I think is funny is you have this ace moran and then boytoy at night shows up and they both sound exactly the same.
Just what I was thinking.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:22 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
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September 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Do you believe an accurate statement about those who vote GOP over issues that are ridiculous at best (and against their own self-interests on various other issues) , is more ‘elitist’ than claiming your running mate for the presidency absolutely will not speak to the individual looking into the events of a federal investigation ?
You’re a twit……….
September 15th, 2008 at 11:22 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Condescension is a very ugly trait and it attracts few votes.
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Well, it certainly explains why you’re so unpopular around here.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pmKeltoi.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:24 pmSure, you can make the argument about Obama being elitist based on that comment. There may be other comments that support your argument as well. But let us not pretend that wealthy, blue-collar, or other people often aren’t elitist, like when they perhaps, forget how many houses they have. Or perhaps when they claim to be the sole purveyors of straight talk and proceed to tell lie after lie. Or perhaps when they claim that community organizing is without any real responsibility. Or, perhaps when they claim laws don’t apply to them. Or etc. etc. etc.
Chocolate Jesus Says:
why dont you show us that electoral map we should be worried about troll? you hee-ing and haw-ing because some of your redneck hillbilly states got a little redder with the Biblebeating Barbie on the ticket?
CJ,
September 15th, 2008 at 11:25 pmIt is either NaziBarbie, or EskimoBarbie
Where are all the trolls who don’t mind having their phones tapped? You know, the ones who said “If you’ve got nothing to hide…”
September 15th, 2008 at 11:25 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Condescension is a very ugly trait and it attracts few votes.
Yes it is, especially when a VP candidate has CONSDESCENSION of the law. She will go down. Not figuratively. I can’t take her f ucking voice. I just want to choke the living shit out of her when I hear her speak. Its like chalk on a blackboard.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:27 pmKeltoi, many people DO cling to things like religion and guns in hard times like today. Maybe you should come out of your ivory tower and mingle in the real world. And did he say it in San Francisco or did Sarah just SAY that he did? If it’s true, it will be the first thing she ever said that was!!
from the internets: New Campaign Slogan
September 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmSarah Palin for VP
If She Shoots You In The Face
It’s Because She Was Aiming For It!
Today, John McCain assailed greed and corruption. He might want to start rooting it out in his own campaign
Greed = hundreds of lobbyist workers or donors
Corruption = Palin’s refusal to cooperate with TrooperGate investigation
McCon-Pullin’ “The Greed-Corruption Ticket”
September 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmIf you can’t remember (or are afraid to say) how many homes you have or what car you drive (Cadillac) then I would say that meets the definition of elitist. How much did he marry into after he dumped his crippled wife, $150 million?
September 15th, 2008 at 11:33 pmMcCon-Pullin’ “The Greed-Corruption Ticket”
On the lyin’, cheatin’, screamin’, express.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pmWoo hoo!
stateofthedivision, there is also croynyism. Her high school friend who was a realtor was made head of Agriculture for the state—her qualification: she liked cows when she was young.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:35 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
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Elitism = intellectualism + condescension. Condescension is a very ugly trait and it attracts few votes.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
As opposed to pandering to voters who tell everyone that doesn’t believe in the fairy tale that they do , that they’re going to ‘hell’ ……….Nothing condescending or elitist about that , is there ……..?
September 15th, 2008 at 11:36 pmKeith Says:
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Keltoi, many people DO cling to things like religion and guns in hard times like today. Maybe you should come out of your ivory tower and mingle in the real world.
I am currently teaching teenagers in a Juvenille Detention Center. There are towers, but they are definitely not Ivory.
And did he say it in San Francisco or did Sarah just SAY that he did? If it’s true, it will be the first thing she ever said that was!!
She didn’t say it, it was a recording at a fundrasiser during the primary. Hillary smoked him in the following primary election in Ohio, I think it was. The quote was never intended to be made public.
from the internets: New Campaign Slogan
Sarah Palin for VP
If She Shoots You In The Face
It’s Because She Was Aiming For It!
Not bad! But in fairness, Moose have really big faces…
September 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pmWho here considers Bill Gates an elitist? How about Sam Walton or Warren Buffet? Elitism is not a function of your material wealth, it is a function of your attitude toward people who you think are not as smart as you.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pm>Guilt by association is not a phrase that should
> trip from the tongue of an Obama supporter.
Its reality. Its the way the world works. I’m not an idealist
and I’m not going to pretend the world should work the way I want it to. And by the way, if your talking about sleazy associations, I’ll see your Wright and Ayres and raise you a keating 5, a saddam hussien, and 2 preachers who think bad things happening to jews is god giving them what they deserve/need..
>I am an agnostic.I believe none of the things you list.
Right, but you’re throwing your lot in with people who do, and not only do they beleive these foolish things so deeply, they actually make life-altering decisions based on them and try to push them down other peoples throats. I dont think there are very many people who vote with their bibles and actually stop to question their beliefs. My critique is more a general criticism of people who dont question the validity of their own beliefs. I think most religious fanatics fall into this category by default..
> But I don’t look down on people who do believe
Beleive what? Would you look down on someone who killed people because they thought “terry the sea turtle” commanded them to? How stupid, or absurd, do people’s beliefs have to be before those beliefs start affecting your opinion of them?
I’m not talking about simply beleiving in a higher power. Since we have no possible way to objectively define “god”, well….he exists if you want him to, because to alot of people, “god” is simply an all encompassing term for the unexplained.
I’m talking about people who dont think it matters whether we pollute the earth because all the decent folk will be evaporated in a cloud of moist, pious righteousness when the rapture comes. Do you REALLY want your country run by a person who beleives such fairy tales? Do you the fate of your country decided who think that armageddon is a necessary part of the world’s history?
>Do I think basing your life on a bronze age fable is silly? >Yes, I do. Do I seethe with contempt for those who choose to >do so? No – why would I?
Well, if those people are trying to use that fable to push thier dogmas onto you, would you still react with such indifference?
>Elitism = intellectualism + condescension.
religious fanaticism = ignorance + condescension.
when i see one bible beater on tv saying “maybe im wrong about all this”, then i’ll start to wonder whether your side is any less condescending or self-righteous..
i’ll take intellecutalism over ignorance any day.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pmKeltoi, then you ARE in the real world. Haven’t you observed that people DO cling to things like religion and guns when times are hard? No athiests in a foxhole!
I have heard Sarah say the campaign speech about speaking one way about people in Scranton and another way in San Francisco. I just don’t know if Obama really said it in San Francisco.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:42 pmKeith Says:
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Keltoi, then you ARE in the real world. Haven’t you observed that people DO cling to things like religion and guns when times are hard? No athiests in a foxhole!
I have often wondered about that. I have never been in combat, but I have suffered hardships in my life. I have never thought growing a belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster would make things better. I just stick to beer.
I have heard Sarah say the campaign speech about speaking one way about people in Scranton and another way in San Francisco. I just don’t know if Obama really said it in San Francisco.
He did. I have heard the tape. Hillary was the woman plaguing him at that point, and she made sure the world heard what he said.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pmI should hope the country has a leader who is a heck of a lot smarter than me! Someone like Nader. Not people who are dumber than me like Dubya and Saracuda. It’s the most difficult job in the world—you don’t want your average Joe Sixpack doing it. John McCain finished 894th out of a class of 899 at Annapolis. I could have done better than that. And today, he’s just a panderer, you don’t know what to believe.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:49 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
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Who here considers Bill Gates an elitist? How about Sam Walton or Warren Buffet? Elitism is not a function of your material wealth, it is a function of your attitude toward people who you think are not as smart as you.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Bullshit
Are you gonna’ try to claim Chimpy isn’t an elitist ?
And he’s even more stupid than you are……..
September 15th, 2008 at 11:49 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Who here considers Bill Gates an elitist?
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Bill Gates??? You’re kidding, right?
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How about Sam Walton or Warren Buffet?
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Sam Walton is dead. It’d be an interesting question to ask his heirs, who comprise five of the top ten on the Forbes 400 list, if you could possibly get near enough to ask them.
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Warren Buffet has said publicly that he doesn’t think it’s right that he pays less in taxes than his secretary. he does seem like a sane human being.
However…
“Elitism is not a function of your material wealth…”
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Clearly, you have not dealt with the rich…
September 15th, 2008 at 11:49 pmI don’t know MCMetal I’d say it’s close.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:51 pmKeltoi Says: I have often wondered about that. I have never been in combat, but I have suffered hardships in my life. I have never thought growing a belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster would make things better. I just stick to beer.
Fine, but many, many people DO cling to religion and guns. It was a very true statement. One of many that is taboo for politicians to say. Me, the UNC TarHeels and a couple Becks.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:53 pmKeltoi. I don’t think anyone is arguing that elitism is a function of wealth, but nor is it uniquely tied to intellect.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism
So, in my opinion, a blue-collar woman (can a governor still be called blue-collar?), who agreed to talk to an investigator prior to acceptance in the elite club of the presidential ticket but now thumbs her nose at said investigator, can be an elitist. Same with a wealthy presidential candidate that refers one to his staff to find out how many homes he has because he doesn’t remember.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pmThe McCain campaign said tonight that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) “won’t speak with an investigator hired by lawmakers to look into the firing of her public safety commissioner” in the controversy known as “Troopergate.”
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Keith Olbermann said, “It is like installing a giant neon sign over her head saying, ‘I’m hiding something.’”
Not only that, McCain’s got his own neon sign declaring he has the same disregard for truth, integrity and the rule of law as Bush. Change my ass, everyday McCain proves he’s just like Bush.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:56 pmSam Walton had a million employees working at slave wages and no benefits so he could amass a $100 BILLION fortune—now split five ways among his heirs who probably never really worked a day in their lives. He helped destroy US manufacturing jobs by buying from slave labor countries. Walmart now tells its employees to vote Republican.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:56 pmWell CJ, I think we are basically on the same page on the religion thing. “So long as it hurt no other, do as thou wilt, so mete it be.” – Aleister Crowley
I have never experienced the government forcing religion on me. And I don’t think the Republicans are basing their policies on the imminence of the rapture – their strategies are too cynical to think that the world is going to end anytime soon.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pmHow can she be expected to say the right lines at a legal proceeding when she is spending all her time learning lines for her new chance as the distraction for old pardon man.
September 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pmExcuse me – can anyone tell me if McCain lies?
He does? He’s a liar?
OK, thanks!
September 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Clearly, you have not dealt with the rich…
Well, you got me there! But my main point was that you don’t have to be rich to be an elitist, and you can be rich without being an elitist. Willie Nelson? Richer than sin. Elitist? No.
Likewise, you can be stupid and be an elitist (epitomized in the bumper sticker “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven.”) and be smart and not be an elitist. “Elite” is defined as belonging to the very best. If you think you are better than other people, you are an elitist, regardless of your wealth or your I.Q.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:02 amAND THE ULTIMATE ELITIST EVER
William F. Buckley Jr.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:07 amKeltoi, I have heard religious conservatives say that we don’t have to worry about global warming because we won’t really be around another 100 years. Some say God would not allow it to happen. Sarah says the Iraq war is a task from God. I heard her. Some refuse medical treatment for their children. Some don’t trust anyone but themselves to teach their children. Some say homosexuals should be executed. Some knock Blacks off the election rolls. Some make software that flips the vote. Some refuse to allow stem cells to cure such as cancer. Etc, etc,
September 16th, 2008 at 12:08 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate
these people have NO shame.. the “REAL REASON” they claimed Palin fired the “troopergate” budget director..he was looking for federal money for rape victims
September 16th, 2008 at 12:09 amAfter watching Scumlia on 60 minutes last night, Can you say Brazen Elitist PUNK?
September 16th, 2008 at 12:09 amKeltoi at Night Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Clearly, you have not dealt with the rich…
Well, you got me there! But my main point was that you don’t have to be rich to be an elitist, and you can be rich without being an elitist. Willie Nelson? Richer than sin. Elitist? No.
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people who actually know
willie nelson (unlike you)
say he’s an elitist s.o.b.
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as they say in the rental car business
the truth hertz.
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September 16th, 2008 at 12:09 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate
these people have NO shame.. the “REAL REASON” they claimed Palin fired the “troopergate” budget director..he was looking for federal money for rape victims and apparently that wasnt deemed a good use of money from the federal government..
“To that end, the campaign released a series of e-mails detailing the frustration several Palin administration officials experienced in dealing with Monegan. The “last straw,” the campaign said, was a trip Monegan planned to Washington in July to seek federal money for investigating and prosecuting sexual assault cases.”
September 16th, 2008 at 12:10 amKeltoi at Night Says:
If you think you are better than other people, you are an elitist, regardless of your wealth or your I.Q.
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Warren Buffett and Willie Nelson do appear to be just regular folks who did well…
However, I have known some pretty rich people, and almost ALL OF THEM thought they were special. If they earned the money, they thought that proved they were better than the rest of us. And if they inherited it, they were sure that was proof of their specialness.
I’m not sure I’ve ever known someone w/ money who didn’t think it meant something.
S far as I can tell, thinking you’re better than the other person is THE human disease, and it’s a pandemic these days.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:13 amAlecto, William F. Buckly or Barbara Bush?
September 16th, 2008 at 12:13 amBuckly was CIA in Latin America, but it is supposed to be secret—like GHWBush.
tbone Says:
So, in my opinion, a blue-collar woman (can a governor still be called blue-collar?), who agreed to talk to an investigator prior to acceptance in the elite club of the presidential ticket but now thumbs her nose at said investigator, can be an elitist.
Meh. This thing has become a political football
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/palin-investigation-fast_n_124257.html?show_comment_id=15391753
the question is, is there any there there? Everyone is assuming the outcome will back their notion of who this woman is. With 50 odd days to go til the election, EVERYTHING is going to be politicized. Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t on this particular issue. The only thing that matters now is does this story have legs beyond the 1/3 of a percent of the population who watch KO and read TP.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:16 amOH her “beautiful mind”
Yes Keith, it is tough to pick.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:17 amBush was thin in HS but it is supposed to be secret.
“To that end, the campaign released a series of e-mails detailing the frustration several Palin administration officials experienced in dealing with Monegan.”
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You’re kidding, right? They actually released these emails in the midst of an investigation?
Isn’t this somewhat akin to tampering? And they’re claiming the investigation is “tainted”? WTF do they call their behavior?
September 16th, 2008 at 12:18 amContemptuous of oversight? Yep.
Flippy’s Chippy is a true Bush conservative.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:18 amThink of people who pay exorbitant fees at their County Club so they don’t have to mingle with commoners when they have a drink or round of golf. I would guess few Democrats.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:18 amKeltoi,
September 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am“Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t on this particular issue.”
Why is she damned is she just does what is right? This process is not tainted, like they claim, they are just doing the old George Bush, traitorous bullsh|t. Hiding and obsfuscating. The Old ALberto Gonzalez.
-Aleister Crowley
never thought id hear the old Crowmeister quoted on this board, especially by a right winger. heh.
i do agree that the people at the very top of the republican ranks dont beleive the rapture is imminent, but i think they manipulate and gain political power by intentionally playing off the fears and desires of people who do. I would argue that the beleifs of those who give power (the voters, in this case, no matter how well or ill informed they are) are almost, if not as, important as those of the people who are the receipients of that power. If a politician turns against the beliefs of those who brought him to power he wont last long. Why do you think the Miers nomination was torpedoed? The right wing christian fundamentalists, who had supported bush so fervently, wanted their payback, and they got it in form of alito..
September 16th, 2008 at 12:19 amBecause she sinks like a ship and takes down the Republican party with her.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:21 amCJ,
September 16th, 2008 at 12:22 amThat is why having Hillary be the first nominess is going to be OOOH SOOO sweet. F uck the Reichwing, let Scumlia’s head twist off his fat bastard body.
Is Matt Damon an elitist? George Clooney? And is elitist a good thing or a bad thing? I mean, when it was being defined as “smart people” on an earlier thread, it was obviously good. But since rich people are all eltisits, and rich people are often Republicans, that can’t be right.
On a decidely non-elitist note, that was a helluva Monday Night Football game, eh? Dallas’ defensive line is freakin huge, they looked like small horses…
September 16th, 2008 at 12:22 amCount Istvan Says:
Why is she damned if she just does what is right?
Because she sinks like a ship and takes down the Republican party with her.
Oopp s I forgot, sorry Count.
Von, two, three…
September 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am> You’re kidding, right?
> They actually released these emails
> in the midst of an investigation?
What crazier, to me, is that the best excuse they could make up for the firing was “he was asking for federal money for rape victims”!
I mean really? you fire someone for that? even if they did it without permission, should a state budget officer really need to ask permission to request money for rape victims? Even if its against protocol, isnt that the sort of thing you at least give people a warning for, before you fire them..
September 16th, 2008 at 12:24 amHAHAHAHAHA! Dammit why didn’t I post it. I was going to ask Boytoy to give a Monday night football update since that would be as on topic as all of of his other posts.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:24 amKeltoi at Night Says:
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tbone Says:
So, in my opinion, a blue-collar woman (can a governor still be called blue-collar?), who agreed to talk to an investigator prior to acceptance in the elite club of the presidential ticket but now thumbs her nose at said investigator, can be an elitist.
Meh. This thing has become a political football
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2008/ 09/ 05/ palin-investigation-fast_n_124257.html?show_comment_id=15391753
the question is, is there any there there? Everyone is assuming the outcome will back their notion of who this woman is. With 50 odd days to go til the election, EVERYTHING is going to be politicized. Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t on this particular issue. The only thing that matters now is does this story have legs beyond the 1/3 of a percent of the population who watch KO and read TP.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am
What the fu(k is this moronic dip talking about ?
“Damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t” ?
Caribou Barbie wasn’t invited onto some type of talk show or a town hall to face off against Biden ; this is a federal investigation , you incredible ignoramus.
And BTW
This incident has no bearing on what I know of this dopey broad ; she is an empty-headed twit ………….
September 16th, 2008 at 12:25 amYet McCain and his ilk are not elitists? What about the Bush administration listening to people like Dobson and then laughing behind their back as David Kuo says, or the Republicans using TEH GAY and TEH HOMO-SEX-YOU-ALL agenda to egg on their base while proclaiming that they are looking after your own interests while screwing you economically…how is that not elitist, Keltoi? Your definition of elitist applies to the GOP period.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:25 amBecause she sinks like a ship and takes down the Republican party with her.
Oopp s I forgot, sorry Count.
Von, two, three…
And the longer she stays silent she’s sinking the Republican party. So the fool is actually correct. Either way she is damned.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:28 am>That is why having Hillary be the first nominess
> is going to be OOOH SOOO sweet.
Hehehe. Sure, while we’re making a christmas list, I’m salivating at the thought of Patrick Fitzgerald being attorney general.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that the outcome of November is still in flux, and lets all redouble our efforts to make sure to keep the ghouls and bimbos in the haunted houses and out of the white one with the little red button!
September 16th, 2008 at 12:28 amKeith Says:
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Think of people who pay exorbitant fees at their County Club so they don’t have to mingle with commoners when they have a drink or round of golf. I would guess few Democrats.
Oh, puuh-leeze! I guess the Kennedy’s go do the back nine at the public golf course? I do not think snobbery is limited to one party or another.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:31 amKeltoi:
September 16th, 2008 at 12:34 amI don’t care if the story has legs or not. I care if a governor is going to slow down an investigative process to further her political career. Isn’t the point to let the investigation determine if there is a there there? It was originally scheduled to end before the election, so it is not like this wouldn’t have come out anyway. Isn’t the real issue whether or not she abused her power? Should the investigation wait for her? Yes, I guess she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. But it seems to me that the only way she can be damned if she follows through with her original plan to meet with the prosecutor is if she did something to earn such damnation. If she is cleared before the election, what is the problem? It’s not like this investigation is not going to still be lingering in the rumor mills regardless.
Once again we find ourselves in a false debate. We find ourselves arguing about legalities and the definition of “elitist” when we should not be discussing Ms. Palin’s candidacy at all.
If the GOP gave a rat’s rump about the future of our nation they would never have named a person who is disqualified on so many levels. And anyone who approved her selection, as Flippy McSpin did, should be disqualified as well.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:34 amElitist… Judge Elihu Smails
September 16th, 2008 at 12:36 amIf the GOP gave a rat’s rump about the future of our nation they would never have named a person who is disqualified on so many levels. And anyone who approved her selection, as Flippy McSpin did, should be disqualified as well.
Yes but she’s not an elitist.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:37 amMcImbecile is unfit for command
September 16th, 2008 at 12:37 amJudge Smails: I’ve sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn’t want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:38 amI offered these thoughts, on the new meaning of “elitist”, on another thread Count.
A few intelligent friends and I were discussing the new meaning of “elitist”. The best we came up with is that it’s code for “intellectual” or “educated”. (NOTE: Educated means educated in a non-Bible college.)
The GOP seems to be framing the debate to rouse the fear of the intellectual, much like any totalitarian regime in history. Deep thinkers are a danger to the GOP and so they project intellectuals as dangerous to the sheeple. The first step is to discredit the intellectuals. The second is flat-out persecution.
Alas, this process is thriving in today’s United States. Bushco has squelched anyone who makes a case which is contrary to the GOP’s machinations. Flippy McSpin and his Chippy are billed as “just like us”. Common idiots with sub-par intellects are, according to GOP spin, not likely to fool us. Hey! If they were all that smart they might be expected to make sense. Or tell the truth.
But, common idiots like Flippy and Chippy are in no danger of committing either of those sins. They may lie and dissemble and be flat-out wrong on every issue but, we simple sheeple will be able to understand their motives. That’s very comforting to those who can’t reason for themselves.
Sen. Obama, on the other hand, is SMART. There’s no way to hide it. And that little fact will scare as many people away from him as his dark skin. The word is out. Sen. Obama is so smart that he might do things plain, simple, idiots won’t even comprehend. He’s smart enough to fool people, if he’s so inclined. And the GOP will spare nothing to ensure that every simple idiot in the country is convinced he’s inclined to do just that.
And that, in a nutshell, is why “elitist” has become a dirty word in the mouths of the Reichwhiners. I think.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:43 amSorry to go OT.
Don’t know if it’s already been posted, but one of Obama Waffle’s creators works for Fox:
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/09/15/obama-waffles-creator-works-for-fox/
September 16th, 2008 at 12:46 amTotally agree. An elitist to the right wing is anybody who isn’t stupid and is proud of it.
Palin isn’t very smart and is proud of that fact. She’s not an elitist.
Obama is smart and is proud of that fact. He’s an elitist.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:47 amChocolate Jesus Says:
What crazier, to me, is that the best excuse they could make up for the firing was “he was asking for federal money for rape victims”!
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Yeaaaaaah… I noticed that one too. Smacks of desperation to me :-D!!!
For an investigation that’s so irrelevant and “tainted”, they sure seem to be doing their GOOPer bestest to derail it.
Makes a thinkin’ feller wonder, “what are they so afraid of?”
Quoting Crowley… yeaaaaaaah, noticed that too.
Nuttin’ elitist ’bout dat…
September 16th, 2008 at 12:48 amtbone Says:
If she is cleared before the election, what is the problem? It’s not like this investigation is not going to still be lingering in the rumor mills regardless.
I think it is safe to say no one here is conversant on the inside baseball of Alaska politics. That is number one; no one here who claims to know if she abused her office is going to have much credibility. She could be pure as snow or guilty as sin. I have no way of knowing. I have no way of knowing if the investigation will be legit or not.
Likewise, anyone who thinks this process will not be politicized is either dishonest or hopelessly naive. We are 53 days from the biggest political event in recent memory. Both sides are populated by ruthless people who play for keeps. Does anyone here believe both sides will not twist the process to benefit their chances? And don’t tell me about the Republicans on the committee, Palin has unseated incumbent Republicans in Alaska, she is no friend of theirs.
Everything is a game, now. It is going to be a long six weeks.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:49 amAlecto Says:
Judge Smails: I’ve sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn’t want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
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Hey, Moose… Rocco… help the Judge find his wallet.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:51 amPete:
September 16th, 2008 at 12:52 amStill OT, but I’m not so sure that the Palin card can’t be played effectively against McCain. No one comes to listen to him speak or cared about his election prior to her nomination. How do you suppose it would play to the voters if you questioned who will actually be running the show? If she is the energy guru, and most people want her, why do the voters need John? Will she be calling the energy shots? Setting Policy on Russia? IN some sense, she has made him irrelevant, so perhaps we should treat him as such and call that into question.
tbone Says:
Setting Policy on Russia? IN some sense, she has made him irrelevant, so perhaps we should treat him as such and call that into question.
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I’m a little surprised John’s ego can handle it.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:55 amKeltoi at Night Says:
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tbone Says:
If she is cleared before the election, what is the problem? It’s not like this investigation is not going to still be lingering in the rumor mills regardless.
I think it is safe to say no one here is conversant on the inside baseball of Alaska politics. That is number one; no one here who claims to know if she abused her office is going to have much credibility. She could be pure as snow or guilty as sin. I have no way of knowing. I have no way of knowing if the investigation will be legit or not.
Likewise, anyone who thinks this process will not be politicized is either dishonest or hopelessly naive. We are 53 days from the biggest political event in recent memory. Both sides are populated by ruthless people who play for keeps. Does anyone here believe both sides will not twist the process to benefit their chances? And don’t tell me about the Republicans on the committee, Palin has unseated incumbent Republicans in Alaska, she is no friend of theirs.
Everything is a game, now. It is going to be a long six weeks.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Restoring this country’s lost dignity and standing in the world , as well as our own Constitution , is a “game” to you ?
And for you to question the validity of this particular investigation is borderline insane , especially in light of the last 8 years and oversight being viewed as an unnecessary annoyance by this garbage administration………..
September 16th, 2008 at 12:56 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Quoting Crowley… yeaaaaaaah, noticed that too.
Nuttin’ elitist ’bout dat…
Crowley? Elitist? Maybe, I guess…but honestly, I just likes me my Led Zeppelin.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:57 amKeltoi:
September 16th, 2008 at 1:02 amSo, is the process not going to be politicized after the election?
tbone:
I am quite sure that Chippy will provide plenty more ammunition for the opposition. From what I’ve read she is all but certain to unleash her venom on any who dare oppose her.
But then, the only logical answer to why she was selected is to ensure the same hardcore base who elected Dubbya will continue voting as a block. I don’t think the McSpin campaign even cares how she looks to the rest of the electorate.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:04 amSarah Palin: Cheney with lipstick.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:04 amTROS,
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
I’m a little surprised John’s ego can handle it.
It can’t
PALIN/McCAin ‘08
AND:
Tony D’Annunzio: Another Rob Roy, Bishop?
September 16th, 2008 at 1:06 amBishop: You never ask a navy man if he’ll have another drink, because it’s nobody’s goddamned business how much he’s had already.
Judge Smails: Wrong, you’re drinking too much your Excellency.
Bishop: Excellency, fiddlesticks, my name’s Fred and I’m a man, same as you.
Judge Smails: You’re not a man, you’re a bishop, for God’s sakes.
Bishop: There is no God…
Pete:
Agreed. The base is fired up, and that is all that is important to McCain.
THe next 1.5 months are going to be interesting.
Adios.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:09 amtbone Says:
Keltoi:
So, is the process not going to be politicized after the election?
Not nearly as much. Would KO give a damn about this investigation had McCain picked Romney? Of course not.
The trooper in question admitted to tasering a 10 year old…doesn’t sound like a great guy to be carrying a badge.
But the depths of cynicism to which we will sink in the throes of this endgame are going to be pretty damn ugly, I fear.
And on that happy note, good evening.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:10 amAlecto Says:
Bishop: There is no God…
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Fifty bucks the Smails kid picks his nose…
September 16th, 2008 at 1:10 amI must add that the investigation of Chippy began long before she was a VP candidate. Personally, I find Flippy’s bad judgment in selecting a running mate who’s under investigation is disqualifying all by itself. Though I wonder if he had much to do with the selection, he certainly approved of it.
And, on that note, I offer a:
G’night good people.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:12 amYou too trolls.
Keltoi, I said some Dems are elitists. Did you know JFK was hated by many rich conservatives for being “a traitor to his class” by helping poor people, Blacks and the disadvantaged? The economy did quite well under him. Same goes for Bobby and Ted Kennedy.
Few things are all or nothing. But there are a lot more Republican elitists than Dems. Reagan’s budget director Stockman said noone really believed the “trickle down” would work—it was just a way to reward his rich supporters.
If someone is for a tax policy that gives 43% of the benefits to the top 1%, then I would say that was elitist. This is what Dubya did. McCain said it was wrong then. Now he wants to give the top more because he is pandering for votes.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:14 amKeltoi,
September 16th, 2008 at 1:24 amIt was his son who begged him to feel what it was like to be tasered. He did it a safe way–not the ones that stick into you. But the real problem is the tremendous amount of pressure the head of Public Safety got from the sister-in-law/Governor to fire him. And then, the head of Public Safety was fired for not firing him.
Keith Olbermann said, “It is like installing a giant neon sign over her head saying, ‘I’m hiding something.’”
Well, duh…she is a repuke, of course she is a criminal at heart…she joined their MAFIA and will do everything she can to break as many laws as she can.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:34 amplain probably made the whole thing up about the tazer incident.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:35 amNo, I saw the ex-brother-in-law explaining it on tv.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:41 amThose who follow the call of liars, hypocrites and frauds follow themselves.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:47 amWhere is there dignity unless there is honesty?
September 16th, 2008 at 2:48 am— Cicero
No legacy is so rich as honesty.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:49 am— William Shakespeare
I guess whatever shred of integrity she may have had just went swirling down the drain with McCain’s decision for her to dummy up. From beauty queen to drama queen to Dairy Queen.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:55 amWhy doesn’t Palin release her tax returns? Why won’t Palin hold a press conference?
What is she hiding?
September 16th, 2008 at 2:55 amWhy is the rest of the world smarter than US? Because for the most part they have a legitimate informative media?
In 17 of the 22 nations, people expect relations between the US and the rest of the world to improve if Senator Obama wins.
More than 22,000 people were questioned by pollster GlobeScan in countries ranging from Australia to India and across Africa, Europe and South America.
The margin in favour of Senator Obama ranged from 9 per cent in India to 82 per cent in Kenya, while an average of 49 per cent across the 22 countries preferred Senator Obama compared with 12 per cent preferring Senator McCain. Some four in 10 did not take a view.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:56 amhad enough Says: #167
The world is watching and most of them are sick and tired of the neocons constantly trying to fracture their governments and meddling in their affairs. The only reason the neocons shit liquid every time they smell anything resembling a social program is because they have one less opportunity to scam people out of their money. Read this:
September 16th, 2008 at 3:02 amhttp://www.infowars.com/?p=4549
pete Says:
I think.
Oh, pete… it’s official now: you are such an elitist…
/sarc off
September 16th, 2008 at 3:04 amLike many a conservative has said over and over, over FISA and eaves dropping on Americans.
” Well I have nothing to hide so the constitution is not a big deal when the Gov’t needs to catch Al Qaida”.
(meaning some lack upholding the constitution so I should as well?) They aren’t like that with the right to bear arms!
So, If Gov Palin has nothing to hide? If she is in fact a reformer as she claims but has not proved. Where is the Open Gov’t she herself has decried as her own trademark?
September 16th, 2008 at 3:05 amAll the government has to do to catch Al Qaeda is go a few miles to the CIA building in Langley, VA. That’s where it was born in 1979.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:09 amDeja Bush-Cheney all over again.
Then again, looseheadprop at Firedoglake asks: “When we are wasting our time fulminating over Sarah Palin, what are we missing the opportunity to talk about?” Her answer is: Bush-Cheney’s dismal record, and McCain’s too in aiding and abetting them for all these years.
Toro, toro, toro! Pay no attention to that man behind the cape.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:16 amMr. Evil
Latin America uniting against neocons in Washington… This is good … the blame exactly where it should be.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:16 amShe has nothing to hide.
Just like this economy is the fault of the American worker!
This is called a “run out the clock” strategy. Keep Palin away from the questions and keep her and her skirts in-front of 45 and older males who don’t know how to use a computer or buy porn.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:20 amhad enough Says: #173
And they are looking to establish military links with Russia too. That’s just wonderful. I wonder how Palin (Wonder Woman wannabe) would deal with that. Why do we continue to let our country be stolen and ruined by people that have nothing whatsoever to offer humanity? Try and count how many times over the last few years they have trotted out the same tired old wedge issues like abortion, flag burning and school prayer. And dumb Americans gravitate to them and waste their minds on this while the neocons once again have bought themselves more time to steal and corrupt behind their favorite smokescreen. The neocons posing as republicans are nothing but selfish clusterfu(ks. They could fu(k up a steel ball.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:32 am#174 sectionop92 Says:
” Just like this economy is the fault of the American worker!”
You haven’t thought that Mccain was saying that the American worker (labor) is a commodity they can borrow on? That’s why he will give big tax breaks to companies to create jobs. Which they have and they have a track record of creating those jobs in China…
September 16th, 2008 at 4:01 am> The trooper in question admitted to tasering
> a 10 year old…doesn’t sound like a
> great guy to be carrying a badge.
I’m pretty sure tasering the biggest black 10 year old you can get your mits on is part of the initiation for police in some states.
And thats not even the point..the point is, its not the govenors job to be making discipinary decisions outside the due process procedures. If SOMEONE in the entire chain of command in alaska wasnt wiling to fire him, I dont think it was Palin’s job to encourage that. once again, if she has nothing to fear, let her come forward and speak truth to power!
September 16th, 2008 at 5:02 amGood ole Stonewall Palin!
September 16th, 2008 at 6:31 amKeltoi at Night Says:
“Elite” is defined as belonging to the very best. If you think you are better than other people, you are an elitist, regardless of your wealth or your I.Q.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:02 am
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So could someone please enlighten me as to why this is a “bad” quality in a President of the United States?
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that I’d actually like the person running my country to think he’s better than me. In fact, I want that man to KNOW he’s better than me.
If he doesn’t, I might as well run the place myself.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:56 amPalin’s refusal to cooperate may help Obama. I met two young people this past weekend that were undecided. One of the manin issues that really bothered them about politicians was that politicians get away with breaking the law and unethical practices. Palin has just shown how she can just ignore cooperating with investigators and if she gets away with it, then these two young people may very well vote for Obama.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:21 amHere is a timeline of the whole investigation.
http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-case-for-the-impeachment-of-governor-sarah-palin/
September 16th, 2008 at 8:31 amKeltoi at Night said:
I have never experienced the government forcing religion on me. And I don’t think the Republicans are basing their policies on the imminence of the rapture – their strategies are too cynical to think that the world is going to end anytime soon.
You experience government forcing religion on you all the time. Whenever you use money printed with “In God We Trust,” whenever you pledged alliegance to god and country as a school child, every time you pay an extra share of taxes to make up for the religion exemption. These are just a few examples of government forcing religion on you and me.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
September 16th, 2008 at 8:51 amMy Sincerest Thanks to Governor Sarah Palin! Why? Because now my end line reads:
September 16th, 2008 at 8:56 amImpeach Palin, Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Is she using ‘Executive Privilege’ like Bush & Cheney?
September 16th, 2008 at 8:58 amShe is still a long way from the White House.!
Seems the “elitist” whining is from folks with too much of their own self esteem and inadequacy issues. Who cares if someone thinks they are better than you. It’s what they think.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:39 amkeltoi doesn’t know squat
about the elite class or elitism.
but this guy does:
Now, let us discuss the Élites. There are two kinds of folks: Élites and Regulars. Why people love Sarah Palin is, she is a Regular. That is also why they love me. She did not go to some Élite Ivy League college, which I also did not. Her and me, actually, did not go to the very same Ivy League school. Although she is younger than me, so therefore she didn’t go there slightly earlier than I didn’t go there. But, had I been younger, we possibly could have not graduated in the exact same class. That would have been fun. Sarah Palin is hot. Hot for a politician. Or someone you just see in a store. But, happily, I did not go to college at all, having not finished high school, due to I killed a man. But had I gone to college, trust me, it would not have been some Ivy League Élite-breeding factory but, rather, a community college in danger of losing its accreditation, built right on a fault zone, riddled with asbestos, and also, the crack-addicted professors are all dyslexic.
MY GAL
by George Saunders
The New Yorker
SEPTEMBER 22, 2008
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September 16th, 2008 at 11:04 amI can think of nothing more elitist than someone who feels that they are above the laws of this Nation. The main point of our Constitution is that ALL people in this Country are equal in the eyes of the law. We are a Nation of laws, not men (or women). When someone feels that they are somehow above the law due to their stature or level in society, then that person is the epithomy of “elitist”, meaning they feel they are better than the rest of us. So shove it up your ass, Keltoi. The Republican technique of re-defining the definition of a word to suit their arguement is way passed it’s expiration date. Some examples of GOP re-defining:
patriot
elitist
uppity
surge=success(benchmarks be damned)
War on Terror
return on success
in legislation:
the Protect America Act
the Patriot Act
The Repiglican Party has truly re-defined itself
September 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm