FLASHBACK: In 2007, McCain Admitted He ‘Did Not’ Anticipate Financial Crisis
FLASHBACK: In 2007, McCain Admitted He ‘Did Not’ Anticipate Financial Crisis
This week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been repeatedly saying that the nation is in its current economic condition because no one listened to him. According to McCain, as far back as two years ago, he had “warned” federal officials of problems such as a potential subprime mortgage crisis. Watch a compilation:
However, as ABC points out, this claim seems to be an exaggeration. In an interview with the NH Sentinel Source in November 2007, McCain admitted that he was clueless about the economic mess:
Q: Well the dimension of this problem may be surprising to a lot of people, but to many people, to many others there were feelings that there was something amiss, something was going too fast, something was a little too hot. … Were you surprised?
McCAIN: Yeah. And I was surprised at the dot-com collapse and I was surprised at other times in our history. [...]
I don’t know of hardly anybody, with the exception of a handful, that said “wait a minute, this thing is getting completely out of hand and is overheating.” So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.
Watch it:
McCain claiming that he had more economic foresight than the rest of the country now seems odd, considering that also in this interview he said that this was “something that frankly I don’t know a lot about.” A month after that interview, in December 2007, McCain was still admitting, “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.”
Transcript:
Q: Well the dimension of this problem may be surprising to a lot of people, but to many people, to many others there were feelings that there was something amiss, something was going too fast, something was a little too hot. Going back several years. Were you one of them? Or, I mean you’re a busy guy, you’re looking at a lot of things, maybe subprime mortgages wasn’t something you focused on every day. Were you surprised?
McCAIN: Yeah. And I was surprised at the dot-com collapse and I was surprised at other times in our history. I don’t know if surprised is the word, but –
Q: S&Ls?
McCAIN: I don’t — what did you say?
Q: The S&Ls.
McCAIN: Yeah, the S&Ls.
Q: Is this bigger than that?
McCAIN: I don’t know the dimensions of this. It’s hard to know what the dimensions are. As I say, I never thought I’d pick up the paper and see a city in Norway is somehow dramatically impacted by it. When I say “surprised” I’m not surprised when in capitalist systems that there’s greed and excess. I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said “unfettered capitalism leads to corruption” or something like that, that people have disputed for years.
But so, in this whole new derivative stuff, and SIBs and all of this kind of new ways of packaging mortgages together and all that is something that frankly I don’t know a lot about.
But I do rely on a lot of smart people that I have that are both in my employ and acquaintances of mine. And most of them did not anticipate this. Most of them, I mean I can find some that did. But, a guy that’s on my staff named Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was once the head of the Office of Management and Budget, said that there was nervousness out there. There’s nervousness. There was nervousness that we had such a long period of prosperity without a downturn because of the history of our economy. But I don’t know of hardly anybody, with the exception of a handful, that said “wait a minute, this thing is getting completely out of hand and is overheating.”
So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.
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Oh, those g*ddamned newfangled recording machines!!!!!
September 17th, 2008 at 4:39 pmI can’t wait till I’m older and tell the little ones how I lived through the Second Great Depression…
September 17th, 2008 at 4:40 pmWill McCain get angry about this error and not allow himself to go on TV?
September 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pmEven if McCain was not lying about warning about a collapse, the appropriate question for this man who has spent two and a half decades in Washington and whose party has held the White House and both houses of congress most of the decade is as follows:
“Senator McCain, if you saw the problems coming and warned about them please describe the steps you took and solutions you suggested to avert this crisis?”
Resulting deer in headlights look becomes the focus of the next Obama ad.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pmYeah, but…that was way back when he told the truth about matters, before he knew the economy would be anywhere near the top of the list of American electorate concerns. Back when a study group or commission or deferring to his trusted advisers like Phil Gramm was an option on the table.
The new, sink or swim McCain has to say everything and its opposite to stay in the race.
He doesn’t suggesting it was his failure at “oversights” that led to this fiasco as long as that experience says he’s the man to fix the problem, and HE KNOW’S HOW!
September 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pmhttp://money.cnn.com/2008/09/17/news/economy/colvin_recession.fortune/index.htm
September 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm7 was a quote from a link in 6
September 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pmIgnorance over arrogance, it works every time. An elitist would have seen it coming.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pmIn this election it’s clear that Barack Obama has learned the lesson of 1992; he’s feeling voters’ pain around the clock. John McCain isn’t. Instead, he’s telling Americans that the economy isn’t as bad as they think. He needs to change that message – unless, like Senator Henry Clay, he’d rather be right than President.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pmWell we know McCain will only tell us his plans on how to solve this crisis IF he is elected President. Just like he knows how to catch Bin Laden but won’t say how unless he is elected President.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pmWho could have anticipated the fall of the House of Cards?
**eyes rolling**
September 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pmThis needs to come out as an ad with the following tag line:
September 17th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
I think he’s got a better chance of being President than of being right.
And I don’t think he’s got a great chance at being President.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:48 pmso backup, you believe things aren’t as bad as people think?
September 17th, 2008 at 4:48 pmGrampy McGonnaDieSoon says – My friends I knew the economy was going to do this, but I’m not elected yet so I wasn’t going to tell anyone, but when I am elected I will tell everyone how to fix it, but only after I’m elected, I know how to fix the oil crisis also, but I’m not going to tell you tell after I am elected, watch the Palin, watch the Palin, watch the Palin, you are getting very sleepy, don’t question her, watch the Palin, don’t think about real issues, watch the Palin, you’re getting very sleeeppp…..ZZZZZZZZZ.
He knew before he didn’t know he knew but when he did know he didn’t say that he knew because then he didn’t know what he knew before he knew it…Uh?
September 17th, 2008 at 4:50 pmbackup Says:
In this election it’s clear that Barack Obama has learned the lesson of 1992; he’s feeling voters’ pain around the clock. John McCain isn’t. Instead, he’s telling Americans that the economy isn’t as bad as they think. He needs to change that message – unless, like Senator Henry Clay, he’d rather be right than President.
WOW you are a TOOL!!!
Rather be “right” than President?
Has ANYTHING the McCain done in this campaign suggest that he wouldn’t do ANYTHING to be President?
On top of that McCain is WRONG WRONG WRONG on this issue and so many others.
You are truly truly ignorant by friend.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:51 pmHey, backup – STOP WHINING!!!!
September 17th, 2008 at 4:53 pmbackup Says:
In this election it’s clear that Barack Obama has learned the lesson of 1992; he’s feeling voters’ pain around the clock
I love how this fool totally misconstrues the role of a Democracy and the philosophy behind the system.
You don’t even know the basic Principles of America and our system of governance.
The fact is, when things are clearly NOT working for the MAJORITY, things have to change.
Why can’t you get onboard and stop being so anti-American?
September 17th, 2008 at 4:54 pmHere’s a chart of the 1929 crash:
http://mutualfunds.about.com/cs/history/l/bl1929graph.htm
From about 390 to about 40. That would be like our market 12000-14000 falling to 1200-1400. A loss of about 11000 -12000.
We’ve had a couple of down days totaling what 700-800? (5% ? 7%?, it’s not 90%) Another 10000 is a long way to go to get to the Depression conditions that people here what to make the comparison to.
And employment is still not historically high:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/17/news/economy/colvin_recession.fortune/index.htm
September 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pmbackup,
you’re just cutting and
pasting your own crap
from another post.
(but hey this time you
spelled Colvin’s name right,
didn’t you?)
*
pinch off some new troll
droppings why don’t you?
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pmThe thing to keep in mind is that when you hear news on teevee about economics, you are hearing from millionaires. When the politicians speak to you, they are speaking as millionaires. When the pundits argue with each other on the Sunday talk shows, they are all speaking as, and to, millionaires.
Why is it that 1% of our population, purports to speak for 99% of Americans? There is a dis-connect there, no?
September 17th, 2008 at 4:57 pmTweedster,
it’s fun to see backup
in full troll mode.
remember when he use to be
such a concern troll?
+
those days are gone.
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September 17th, 2008 at 4:58 pmBackup HATES America
Backup HATES Democracy
Backup HATES Our Constitution
Backup HATES his fellow citizens
Backup IS despicable and deluded.
Every post I’ve seen from you today has NOTHING to do with policy and EVERYTHING to do with political gamesmanship and partisan politics.
You are a complete DISGRACE to the whole philosophy of Democracy.
You belittle it and you stand in direct opposition to the Democratic principles this country is based upon.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:58 pmbackup Says:
Here’s a chart of the 1929 crash:
http://mutualfunds.about.com/cs/history/l/bl1929graph.htm
From about 390 to about 40. That would be like our market 12000-14000 falling to 1200-1400. A loss of about 11000 -12000.
We’ve had a couple of down days totaling what 700-800? (5% ? 7%?, it’s not 90%) Another 10000 is a long way to go to get to the Depression conditions that people here what to make the comparison to.
And employment is still not historically high:
So since it currently isn’t AS BAD AS THE GREAT DEPRESSION by YOUR METRICS of CHOICE, that means things are fine?
You are awful man, awful.
You totally and completely put your ideology before the welfare of Our Country and it is sickening.
That’s some Straight Talk for you , you little jerk!
September 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pmDow down -449 today
Guess what people, that with the Monday -500 is adding up…
…if it continues tomorrow…
….welcome to the second great depression….
…brought to you with pride by the GOP and the Bush/Cheney Mafia
September 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pmMcDepends is no different than the rest of the entire garbage GOP ; always trying to rewrite history to make themselves appear as being beyond reproach.
His (pathetic) Senatorial history speaks louder than anything he can lie about , including his POW status and using the annoying and absolute bullshit “my friends” line ………..
September 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pmjoe cantwell Says:
Tweedster,
it’s fun to see backup
in full troll mode.
remember when he use to be
such a concern troll?
Desperation is a stinky cologne (thanks BrokenLizard) and backup’s stench is wafting through the pixels on my laptop’s screen.
He’s an anti-Democracy advocate. He hates America. It is truly disgusting.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pmThe economy is slow. It’s not great. But, the hard driving comparisons to the Great Depression are going to backfire.
We are nowhere near soup line conditions.
6% unemployment? Is that historically bad?
There are a lot of foreclosures. But, don’t they follow a period of unprecedented home ownership rates?
I understand the desire to paint the current circumstance as dire. It could help usher in new leadership. And if Americans can be convinced that the current situation is dire enough now, the next administration won’t be saddled with the responsibility for it.
Things move pretty fast. The market that everyone wants to highlight today, could turn within a couple of weeks. Happens all the time. What would that do to the argument?
And overdoing the ‘worst economy since the depression’ could lead to a credibility backlash, when people look around and don’t see the soup lines.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pmBackup, you are a disgusting liar.
You HATE Democracy and by extension you HATE America.
You HATE the American Dream, because when it is apparent that the Dream exists only as a mirage to some people because of the continually widening disparity in wealth, you BLAME those that are on the losing end of a rigged game.
You are a horribly misanthropic twit who doesn’t even understand what this country is meant to stand for.
Awful.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:03 pmbackup Says:
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September 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Do you realize the years you posted to compare unemployment numbers to today and who the president was then ?
1990–91 / Shrub the 1st
1982/ Ronnie Retard
BTW
There are also what , 50 million or more Americans now than compared to back then ?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:06 pmbackup Says:
And employment is still not historically high:
Kennedy beat Nixon by pointing out high unemployment, and it was at 5.9% then, it is at 6% now and still climbing currently.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:06 pmThat 1929 crash didn’t happen all at once:
On Oct. 28, 1929, The Wall Street Journal’s main headline announced that the ”Industrials” were ”off 38.33.” The next day, they fell another 30.57 points. (Those two plunges, of 12.82% and 11.73% respectively, remain the second-highest and third-highest of all time in percentage terms, behind the record 22.61% crash on Black Monday, Oct. 19, 1987.) In six days, the industrial average lost more than 96 points, nearly 30% of its value.
http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/index.cfm?event=showavgDecades&decade=1920
September 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pmYesterday McCain was yelling about how he was gonna clean up Wall Street and this kind of meltdown would never happen again.
Well, FDR and the Democratic Congress after the Great Depression put those banking regulations in place for the very reason of not having crashes happen again. And McCain’s financial advisor, Phil Gramm, is the man responsible for writing the bill that took those protections away… in 1999. It only took 9 years of greed and speculation to get us to where we are.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pmbackup Says:
We are nowhere near soup line conditions.
Where you live, maybe. The fact that we are APPROACHING this stage doesn’t bother you?
6% unemployment? Is that historically bad?
We don’t even accurately calculate unemployment, and haven’t since Reagan redefined the term. EVERYONE knows this.
There are a lot of foreclosures. But, don’t they follow a period of unprecedented home ownership rates?
You tell us you clown. You think things will just “self-correct” eventually? It has NEVER happened that way. And self-correction shouldn’t involve the Government bailing out corporations. You are so anti-American it is sad.
I understand the desire to paint the current circumstance as dire. It could help usher in new leadership. And if Americans can be convinced that the current situation is dire enough now, the next administration won’t be saddled with the responsibility for it.
Shut up man. You are a complete and utter phony.
Things move pretty fast. The market that everyone wants to highlight today, could turn within a couple of weeks. Happens all the time. What would that do to the argument?
The MARKET is only one way of measuring the OVERALL economic health of the citizenry, and I’d argue it is the LAST thing to turn once things begin to get really bad. But you don’t seem to give a rat’s tookis about anyone in a lower tax bracket than you, you horrible anti-American POS.
And overdoing the ‘worst economy since the depression’ could lead to a credibility backlash, when people look around and don’t see the soup lines.
Seriously, spare us your claptrap. Credibility backlash? LMAO…you are a true moron. The word “credibility” should never exit your mouth unless you are reciting a list of things you wish you had.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:10 pmFlag backup on principle – he’s anti-American and promotes plutocracy.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:10 pmbackup, which party has been in charge the last 8 years. 8 years of Republican Bush and 6 out of 8 of the last years they had the majority and now don’t have a veto proof majority or the 60 senators they need to move things forward. Where’s the president telling people what HE’s going to do, he’s still in office isn’t he. And when will McCain stop telling lies and actually talk about what he’s done and what he hasn’t done.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pmbackup Says:
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The economy is slow. It’s not great. But, the hard driving comparisons to the Great Depression are going to backfire.
We are nowhere near soup line conditions.
6% unemployment? Is that historically bad?
There are a lot of foreclosures. But, don’t they follow a period of unprecedented home ownership rates?
I understand the desire to paint the current circumstance as dire. It could help usher in new leadership. And if Americans can be convinced that the current situation is dire enough now, the next administration won’t be saddled with the responsibility for it.
Things move pretty fast. The market that everyone wants to highlight today, could turn within a couple of weeks. Happens all the time. What would that do to the argument?
And overdoing the ‘worst economy since the depression’ could lead to a credibility backlash, when people look around and don’t see the soup lines.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Are you mentally ill ?
“Unprecedented home ownership rates” mean what , when more than half those numbers are phony , due to foreclosures ?
And yes , 6% unemployment is historically bad , when you realize that there are far more people living in the US now than in the past.
6% of workers of a work-force from 350 million people is a far greater number than 7% of workers of a work force out of a population of 250 or 300 million………
September 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pmbackup’s worried about
a credibility back lash?
(he’s back in concern troll mode now)
:)
hey backup why don’t you share that
concern with the 25.000
former employees of hewlitt-packard?
^
does your conscience ever bother you backup?
do you even have a conscience?
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pmTweedster. You sound a lot like conservatives that questioned the patriotism of those that opposed the Iraq War.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
McCain: “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.”
TP: “McCain claiming that he had more economic foresight than the rest of the country now seems odd…
What gives TP?
It is called a double-reversal, or a flip-flop-flip, on McCain’s part.
Get a brain you lil jerk.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pmI was really depressed about the dip in the Dow on Monday. I called up McNumbNuts and he told me “cheer up — things could be worse”.
So I cheered up.
And, sure enough, things got worse.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pmHow the hell is a bailout “self-correction.” Letting the market fix itself would consist of letting all these pyramid schemes fail and take the crooked banks with them.
And I still haven’t figured out how the executive branch can just on a whim bail anyone out. Where is the law? Where was the money appropriated? Doesn’t Congress have to vote on this and appropriate money to do these things?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmSo, I’m confused. Is backup saying that the economy is great? Or merely good?
‘Cause he’s surely not saying it’s lousy, right?
I thought he said something like “the bad economy is all in our heads”. We’re just a bunch of whiners, I thought he said.
Was I wrong?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmhttp://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet
Unemployment was above 10 percent in the early 80’s. 25 percent in 1933.
I believe it was above 30 percent at one point in the early 30’s.
We are at 6.1 percent currently.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmI’m about to commute home, so I assume the troll scat here will pile up in my absence.
These anti-American trolls are horrifyingly disgusting.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmBackup was always tolerated by a lot of people here, even though, in my book, he’s always been a condesending twit.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmI would hope his comments on this thread woulod put a stopto that nonsense.
tony andlido
And overdoing the ‘worst economy since the depression’ could lead to a credibility backlash, when people look around and don’t see the soup lines.
Soup lines are not, and never have been, a representative way to measure the pain in the population. Earning power, savings rate, inflation, foreclosures, unemployment by sectors (high paid vs. low paid), BK’s, etc…
Your dismal feelings toward your fellow Americans is rather disgusting. Walk a mile in another man’s shoes before making judgements.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pmStratRat Says:
Your dismal feelings toward your fellow Americans is rather disgusting. Walk a mile in another man’s shoes before making judgements.
Strat – backup is an Anti-American misanthrope. Just like the rest of his fellow GOOPers.
TIL NEXT TIME…
September 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pmgood and great… grood!!
September 17th, 2008 at 5:16 pmEuropean headline on McCon:
McCain on U.S. economy: from ’strong’ to ‘total crisis’ in 36 hours
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/17/america/mccain.php
September 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pmbackup Says:
Tweedster. You sound a lot like conservatives that questioned the patriotism of those that opposed the Iraq War.
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yeah, backup we all remember
how “concerned” you were
about that too.
^
September 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pmbackup you idiot. Our problems are much more serious than home foreclosures now that you people have messed everything up. Now the government is propping up corporations with borrowed money so that our credit rating doesn’t tank and then we can’t even get money go cover our debt. We are in a downward spiral and your Republican President hasn’t offered one solution and the Republican you want to replace him wants to form a “commission”. There isn’t time for the stupidity your party is putting forth.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pmDidn’t Tracy_5 say the economy should be nationalized?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pmThere’s way too much time being taken up with backup, themlibs and the rest of the spray-painters here.
My advice: when there is a Trollette’s Syndrome outbreak, just put a pencil in their mouth so they don’t swallow their tongue, make sure they are lying in a horizontal position and turn the lights out when you leave the room.
That’s about the best that we can do for these poor souls. They are beyond hope. Don’t get too attached to them because they will eventually wander out into traffic and be turned into little grease spots.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pmI’m saying the economy is not great. But, it’s not technically in recession.
If it’s not technically in recession, how is it worse than the dozen or so times that it was actually in recession since the Great Depression?
That’s a pretty simple question.
It’s not great now, but how can it be worse than the times it was actually in recession?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pmbackup Says:
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http://data.bls.gov/ PDQ/ servlet/ SurveyOutputServlet
Unemployment was above 10 percent in the early 80’s. 25 percent in 1933.
I believe it was above 30 percent at one point in the early 30’s.
We are at 6.1 percent currently.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
The link you provided to the Bureau of Labor Statistics is badly flawed ; they arrive at their numbers through various SURVEYS , not the use of any hard numbers ………..
September 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pmI suppose I will have to take your word for it then…
September 17th, 2008 at 5:21 pmWhat should be done?
Tracy__5 Says:
“…brought to you with pride by the GOP and the Bush/Cheney Mafia”
And the Clinton Gang…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
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an old troll favorite
when things get really bad
blame both sides.
:)
gee tracy haven’t you been
reading backup’s troll droppings?
he says things aren’t that bad.
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you’re not a “cheerleader”
are you?
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good luck.
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:22 pmBig Liar John strikes again.
Is there anything that man says that is NOT a lie? (rhetorical question) I suppose if he admitted to serial incorrigible lying, that would be a truth from his lips.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pmNow that I’m suddenly and unexpectedly a shareholder in AIG, any chance I can get a discount on some insurance–you know, the kind you are legally obliged to have to run a business or drive a car? The kind that I haven’t been able to afford the past couple of years?
Or should I just wait for my dividends to roll in so I can buy the insurance I need at the market rate and still have money left over to leave to my kids once the “death tax” has been repealed by John McBush?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:26 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate
Here’s unemployment rates from around the world as comparison.
The EU has a higher rate than we do. Are they also headed for catastrophe?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pmHere’s another statistic Bushco doesn’t talk about. How many people who were previously unemployed are now on disability embellishing their conditions because they can’t find a job and would definitely not be able to find a job with health insurance. I seem to know an abundance of middle class white women who have become “disabled” in the last 5 years.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:29 pmUntil lately I thought that it would be difficult to dislike anyone more than Bush and Cheney. The two current representatives of the repugs are taking dishonesty and nastiness to a whole new level!
September 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pmThis was explained to you already backup. That you’re only considered unemployed in this country as long as you get benefits which isn’t long. You don’t get off the list when you find a job just when you’re not on the government payroll, get it. Now STFU.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pmbackup Says:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate
Here’s unemployment rates from around the world as comparison.
The EU has a higher rate than we do. Are they also headed for catastrophe?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Since when have you GOP backers ever used Europe as any type of standard or yardstick in a comparison ?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:32 pmThis is an easy discussion: The GOP says you are on your own, the Progressives want all to have an equal footing so success is in their grasp. Why on earth would our trolls defend a recession, just to save the reputation of the GOP?
Clue for you trolls: The GOP brand is as damaged as the Ford Pinto was. No turning it around. Break it down, start over from scratch.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:32 pmHey backup:
September 17th, 2008 at 5:33 pmYou’re needed upstairs to help explain why Bush isn’t really that much of a liability compared to past f uck up liabilities
backup Says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate
Here’s unemployment rates from around the world as comparison.
The EU has a higher rate than we do. Are they also headed for catastrophe?
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uh backup?
the eu isn’t a country.
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you’re straining.
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:36 pmBackup is a great example of your typical I have mine, F everybody else republican. Talk about entitlements, his type think they are ‘entitled’ to manipulate a trillion dollar economy for the benefit of the few.
This is what republicans do. They never have been or will be for the middle clas;, only the men behind the curtain, who have no interest in the public welfare. And before you get your panties in a wad Backup, please remember that this government was created by our founding fathers with several intents; one of which was “providing for the general welfare…”
(check the preamble of the Constitution for your fact check)
Now in Backup’s case, maybe he isn’t a silver spoon daddy’s boy coattail rider. Which makes him even worse: someone who has done well for himself on his own accord (although his federally funded school loans probably helped), then becomes self centered and greedy.
You have failed to support your country, and now you defend the indefensible.
Anti-American and unpatriotic.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pmdbadass Says:
Hey backup:
You’re needed upstairs to help explain why Bush isn’t really that much of a liability compared to past f uck up liabilities
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oh backup could get off
some funny farts there,
couldn’t he?
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go backup go!
(and take tracy with
you too, k?)
^
thank you.
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pmbackup Says:
It’s not great now, but how can it be worse than the times it was actually in recession?
_______
Uh… because it’s on the verge of collapse?
Are you driven needlessly by some unspoken need to humiliate yourself publicly?
That would explain the smoking jacket/bow tie combo…
September 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pm“McCain was suprised and was referring to the the huge scale of these failures”
Don’t sweat it. Backup says all’s pretty much A-Okay. We are just experiencing a little turbulance folks…
September 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pmMcDepends’ No#1 economic advisor is the idiot who penned the Gramm – Leach – Bliley Act ; if you want to claim blame should be distributed equally between the GOP and Dems , isn’t McDepends more guilty for voting in favor of that Bill to begin with and for now relying on the same incompetent twit to set his economic views and policies ?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:39 pmso mcsame is lying…
again…
yup – he’s ready to be president…
September 17th, 2008 at 5:41 pmtom. Here’s one of your gems from a couple of weeks ago:
Maybe refusing to listen to anyone that disagrees with you, isn’t the best way to come to an accurate assessment.
I apologize if my attempt to offer a different take, upsets your highly evolved worldview.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I suppose I will have to take your word for it then…”
Ok, but I will let your mistake slide. It doesn’t bother me.
What should be done?
Your guess is as good as mine.
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well since you insist.
i’m guessing a new president
who’s name is obama.
^
backup, your thoughts?
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 5:45 pmThis is a bill sponsored by McCain that would support his claims of foreseeing subprime problems. The Democrats blocked it.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Tracy__5 Says:
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“an old troll favorite
when things get really bad
blame both sides.”
When there is blame to go around for both sides it’s a good thing to point it out so as keep people aware that NEITHER side is blameless. Apparently calling out the faults of both sides both Democrat and Republican isn’t your MO here.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
But it is mine ; now are you going to admit that McDepends having Gramm as his No#1 economic advisor makes him absolutely unqualified to be president as far as his judgement is concerned ?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmTracy__5,
no mo here trace.
i just see the bs
and call it.
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you and backup
make it sooo easy.
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:47 pmcitizen pain. Here’s the preamble.
There is an important distinction. You say ‘provide’, the constitution says ‘promote’.
You do understand the distinction?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pmthirdparty ,
check this out.
^
September 17th, 2008 at 5:50 pmTweedster Says:
We don’t even accurately calculate unemployment, and haven’t since Reagan redefined the term. EVERYONE knows this.
yep, since Reagan changed the way the statistics are gathered, unemployment only counts those who are drawing unemployment benefits, if they have used their benefits and are still unemployed they are no longer counted even if they are still unemployed. The real percent may be as high as 12% but we do not know with the way the government currently cooks the books.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pmbackup,
the oath of the president of the united states:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
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two people with no respect
for the constitution, george w. bush.
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and you.
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good luck.
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September 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pmTracey, Backup:
Just step up, be men here. Admit your ideology is bankrupt (pun certainly intended) and fraudulent.
Bottom line here is that YOU people, for the past 8 years, with the aid of a henpecked rubber stamp congress for 6 of those years, got everything you ever wanted. The Republican wet dream. Except under Bu$h, it was more like the Republican multiple orgasm.
Every right wing privatization scheme was realized, policies, for years long sought after, implemented, and we saw one of the biggest transfers of wealth in this country’s history.
And here we have the results. own up, admit your failures. There’s no point in trying to debate anymore, the verdict has been rendered.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:56 pmSemantics my friend, but thanks for pointing that out. Guess I should copy and paste like you, rather than rely on my shaky memory.
Promote however, WAS the point I was trying to make. And government DOES have that responsibility, to create an atmosphere in which the majority of it’s citizens can prosper. Wouldn’t you agree?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pmbackup Says:
http://data.bls.gov/ PDQ/ servlet/ SurveyOutputServlet
Unemployment was above 10 percent in the early 80’s. 25 percent in 1933.
I believe it was above 30 percent at one point in the early 30’s.
We are at 6.1 percent currently.
In the 80s Reagan changed the way unemployment was calculated also to obscure the real amount of unemployed, as I said before.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pmIf you are no longer eligible for unemployment yet still unemployed, you don’t count and you don’t get counted. Fact
Forbes has a piece on the whole mess. Credit default swaps are part of the financial innovation that is currently imploding.
The collapse of Lehman Brothers has triggered an enormous crisis in derivative markets. Prior to the firm’s spectacularly swift demise, no major counterparty in the world’s biggest financial market had ever gone under. A major counterparty failure threatens the delicate web of trading in securities that are gargantuan in dollar amounts but totally lacking in transparency to the public.
AIG (nyse: AIG – news – people ) has a credit default swap portfolio of $400 billion notional value, but it cannot be fairly valued because there is literally no real market for many of these contracts, Croesus has learned
http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/09/16/lehman-derivatives-swaps-pf-guru-in_rl_0916croesus_inl.html
We’re talking about big money. According to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, the notional value of CDS totaled $62.2 trillion at the end of last year. These insurance contracts protect investors against default on debt instruments and they are a fulcrum of global financial markets. Since there is no clearinghouse to administer these transactions, in effect it is impossible to know who could be hurt the worst. A run on AIG, make no mistake, is dangerous to the underpinnings of the debt markets–more so than unwinding the web of trades at Lehman. Scary.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pmNo wonder Bush and his financial advisers are speechless.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pmHere’s hoping there is some kind of silver lining to this disaster.
American working class voters get so pucking fissed they elect Obama in a landslide.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pmIf Tracy and backup had any decency they would just apologize for voting and supporting these incompetents and crooks who put us in this tenuous position. I said IF.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pmI’ve ALMOST convinced myself that working into my mid seventies isn’t going to be such a bad deal after all. I’ll still be able to go fishing when I’m 80, won’t I?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pmcitizen pain. our ideology is not perfect. But, judging by failures of socialism/communism in the Soviet Union, market reforms in China, and some reversals in Europe; the idea of leaving more responsibility to the state isn’t a panacea either.
I don’t believe that the answer to problems is always (or often) to give more power to the government.
Markets correct. Economies cycle. The idea that government needs to intervene (or can intervene) to save us from every difficult circumstance, does not ‘promote the general welfare’, but only trades individual liberty for the security of a nanny state.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pmRUCerious:
Go fishin’ now my man. Fu(k ‘em.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:05 pmAnd Lest We Forget:
President Bush wanted to Privitize Social Security, and allow Workers to Invest their Retirement in the STOCK MARKET.
Let’s see, if I had bought Lehman Bros.,Bear Sterns, Fannie Mae, and AIG Stock, how long would that keep me going???
September 17th, 2008 at 6:05 pmSure you will, just dont forget to leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way home.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pmOh C’mon Tracey, give it a rest. And who is your candidate again? LOL
Seriously, Obama is smart enough to be president. Funny, they said the same thing about a governor of a little southerns state too.
You know what cracks me up? No republican president since Eisenhower (and he was about to run as a democrat before he was persuaded to go to a republican ticket by a right wing evangelical ideologue) can match Bill Clinton’s success, hands down.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“well since you insist.
i’m guessing a new president
who’s name is obama.”
I am more qualified to be POTUS than that guy!
September 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
That means you are 10 times more qualified to be president than Chimpy , yet you still (stupidly) voted for him twice ; that’s the same lack of judgement McDepends displays…….
September 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pmI dont what this person is talking about, Obama has never trolled web sites making inane comments…
September 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
“no mo here trace.
i just see the bs
and call it.”
Then why do you only call out half of the BS?
*
well i guess it’s because i haven’t got
the time (or stomach) read all your crap.
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sorry.
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:08 pmcitizen pain. promote (encourage) not provide (to make available). I agree.
And (for others) I have said that the economy is not great. (It’s up the thread).
I was making the point that over selling the Depression conditions could/would backfire.
Although the economy is not good, it’s nowhere near Depression conditions. And not technically in Recession.
People will figure it out. Hopefully, for progressives, after the election.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:08 pmTracy__5 Says:
“well since you insist.
i’m guessing a new president
who’s name is obama.”
I am more qualified to be POTUS than that guy!
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so now my guess isn’t as good as yours?
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flip flop.
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:08 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Not even a good trying at lying!
I know. You should really quit lying.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pmJohn Kerry Says:
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Your straight-jacket removal time at Bellevue has now been switched to 6PM EST , I see ……..
Thanks for the heads up , shitstain……….
September 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pmLtCdr McCain was surprised when the North Vietnamese missile hit his plane even though his missile alert tone (and no, you can’t miss that one) was screaming in his ears for a bit. I guess he either didn’t understand the technology or believed he could wish it away. Hasn’t changed much, has he?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:10 pmBut But But Bush had an MBA!!
And that worked out so well T5 wants to elect a guy without one so he can fix what the MBA guy screwed up.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pmBackup:
“Markets correct. Economies cycle. The idea that government needs to intervene (or can intervene) to save us from every difficult circumstance, does not ‘promote the general welfare’, but only trades individual liberty for the security of a nanny state.”
I disagree entirely with the premise that markets will correct themselves. If they were so robust and liquid in terms of rapid change, then they would correct themselves BEFORE disaster strikes. And once you turn the rules of the game over to the players, which is republican philosophic, this is what you get, rampant greed and corruption.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pmWatch it:
No thanks, I’m eating and I’d like to keep it down.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:13 pmThe fake John Kerry is a big old pussy to afraid to hang out and chat. John is a sissy who can’t handle it. The fake John Kerry is beyond farcical. Sorry John Kerry, but I did warn you that it was coming….
September 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pmbackup Says:
citizen pain. promote (encourage) not provide (to make available). I agree.
And (for others) I have said that the economy is not great. (It’s up the thread).
I was making the point that over selling the Depression conditions could/would backfire.
Although the economy is not good, it’s nowhere near Depression conditions. And not technically in Recession.
People will figure it out. Hopefully, for progressives, after the election.
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you know backup your smirking
may be fine with you.
^
but for people who have lost their
jobs, their homes and their life savings
you’re nowhere near as funny as you
think you are.
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live with your hate if you must but don’t
be so anxious to share it with others all the time.
take a day off every now and then, ok?
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good luck.
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pmbackup Says:
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citizen pain. promote (encourage) not provide (to make available). I agree.
And (for others) I have said that the economy is not great. (It’s up the thread).
I was making the point that over selling the Depression conditions could/would backfire.
Although the economy is not good, it’s nowhere near Depression conditions. And not technically in Recession.
People will figure it out. Hopefully, for progressives, after the election.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Hopefully , the American people will figure out before the election that McDepends doesn’t have a clue on any topic or issue , much less an answer on how to deal with this ……
September 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pmEconomies do cycle, yes, such is the nature of the beast. There are uncontrollable factors that impact economies. I’m not an economist, I got a B.
But as far as cycles go, why does it always seem there’s a downturn in said cycles when a republican is in the WH?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pmcitizen pain, heh ~ next Monday and Tuesday, at La Push, out in the ocean for salmon, ling cod and black rockfish…
September 17th, 2008 at 6:17 pmJust would like to be able to retire (someday) and do that once a month…
Our government has been practicing Enron style accounting for some time.
I also find the majority of the recession/depression talk is coming from right wing investors while the media pundits deny it.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:17 pmSo far the investor sites I read have been more accurate than the crowing craniums on the sparkle box of intentional ignorance.
Xisithrus Says:
I’ll still be able to go fishing when I’m 80, won’t I?
Sure you will, just dont forget to leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way home.
Worm crumbs?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:17 pmWorm crumbs?
I see you forget to take your lunch…=)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pmShouldn’t this magical market have fixed that “leftwing” entertainment industry by now, if in fact that is what the consumer wants? Why do these folks always wanna have it both ways? If the market works the way they claim, then it follows that the entertainment industry along with the media, and education and all the other shit they whine are left leaning is nothing more than the outcome of their magical market forces
September 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pmWhere is La Push? Sounds like you’re up north there.
Good luck, the salmon and cod would be good eatin’.
I fish for rockfish; freshwater stripers. Didn’t get one this year though.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pmHey I am scheduled for a cod/haddock/pollock trip this weekend…
September 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pmOnly thing I know about fishing is how to out-drink everyone on the boat …………
September 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pmSame here. Its alot like golf in that respect as I outdrink everyone on the cart and dont own any clubs or hit any balls. The scenery is nice. =)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmBackup at 11:
I misread your post, or I would have responded earlier. Look, the only reason this isn’t being called a recession is because just stating that fact in this tenuous atmosphere could trigger an even more rapid decline.
Even Greenspan admitted the economy sucks.
And you may be doing OK, but you are disconnected from the reality that millions of Americans are facing. That may be their fault, it may not be. But you have to understand, we are all on the same ship here buddy, and if it sinks, we all go down.
Your callous disregard for the problems your fellow Americans are dealing with is shameful. United we stand. You know the rest.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmThe trick is to figure out how to out fish AND drink. I’ve been perfecting my method for years.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm“I was making the point that over selling the Depression conditions could/would backfire.”
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does this quote sound familiar?
right, backup said the same thing
about democrats criticizing sarah palin.
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in fact whenever there’s a news story
about the mcsame campaign being vulnerable
on any issue (pick one) you can count on our
boy backup to rush right in with the same warning.
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he’s sooo concerned.
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pmTracy__5,
would that be the same douglas holtz-eakin
who said that mcsame invented the blackberry?
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you know tracy, doug holtz-eakin
reminds me a lot of you.
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i really mean that.
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pmGramm was McCain’s chief economic adviser until he called Americans whiners. McCain also supported Gramm’s 96′ presidential bid.
Obama has laid out his plans in detail. McCain says trust me, I have a secret plan. Just like his plan to catch Bin Laden.
Guys, there is no debate here. Look at the results of republican economic philosophy. A failure for 95% of Americans.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmAnd pray tell, what has MBA Bush done to circumvent this mess? Did he become a college professor and teach others on becoming an MBA?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:38 pmbackup Says:
Tweedster. You sound a lot like conservatives that questioned the patriotism of those that opposed the Iraq War.
Oh backup, how quaint of you to remind us how your ideological brethren BASELESSLY attacked your fellow Americans based on their views on how to approach foreign policy.
I’m basing my assertion that you are a misanthrope based on your own words!
TO sum up backup’s selfish, misanthropic, and disgusting attitude:
ONLY 6% of people unemployed – eh, it’s been worse, at least we can’t see the soup lines!!! poor bastids…
Largest market crash in years – eh, markets fluctuate all the time!
Thousands of people losing their homes – eh, isn’t that what happens after an “unprecedented” period of home buying? No biggie…
Hey, I can’t see any soup lines – so things must be goood, or at least, OK. for me anyway.
That is NOTHING like questioning someone’s patriotism because they opposed an ILLEGAL WAR AND SUBSEQUENT OCCUPATION OF A COUNTRY THAT POSED NO IMMINENT, I REPEAT IMMINENT, THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES.
ALSO,
I NEVER ACCUSED YOU OF WANTING THE ECONOMY TO COLLAPSE COMPLETELY,
I merely pointed out HOW TWISTED AND ANTI-AMERICAN AND ELITIST you view on the state of the economy are.
Sounds a lot different than accusing someone of being a traitor. You’re just someone who doesn’t empathize with the what the MAJORITY of people are facing. You’re the FACE of ELITISM and the people that share your attitudes are the SAME TYPE OF ANTI-DEMOCRACY,ANTI-AMERICANS that want to gut this country and turn into a serfdom where the citizenry is completely economically disconnected from the people who hold power and hoard money.
You support that. It’s sickening.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmIt is much like pool sharking. Act like you don’t know what you’re doing and get the dudes that spend tons of money on gear but still can’t fish to bet you beers on catch. Then drink the beers they have to buy you. I make it a point to always find the place along the rail by the dude with the biggest tackle box. These dudes are always good marks…
September 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmTracy__5 Says:
I dont what this person is talking about, Obama has never trolled web sites making inane comments…”
It was a JOKE. Of course Obama is qualified to be president…it’s just the McCain is MORE qualified.
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yeah “the McCain”,
helluva guy.
*
(that’s another joke, right trace?)
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pmTracy__5 Says:
______________
Any actual thoughts on the state of the economy and how John McCain will lead us out of this mess using his extraordinary economic brain.
Or Phil Gramm??
September 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pmTracy_5
September 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pmWho is more qualified as VP? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
And who was the deciderers economic adviser?
Gee, he jumped the ship. Figures.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:42 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#85
“But it is mine ;”
Who would have guessed?
“…now are you going to admit that McDepends having Gramm as his No#1 economic advisor makes him absolutely unqualified to be president as far as his judgement is concerned?”
Well for one thing Gramm is not McCain’s #1 economic advisor. That would be Douglas Holtz-Eakin who is currently president of DHE Consulting, LLC.
But as soon as you admit that Obama’s economic advisor a college professor by the name of Austan Goolsbee with absolutely NO private sector experience makes Obama far less qualified to be POTUS…other then his good speaking and debating skills.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
So Holtz-Eakin’s bald-faced LIE that McDepends invented the BlackBerry , just another in a series of blatant lies from the adulterer’s camp , doesn’t discount McDepends from the presidency based upon a total lack of honesty ?
BTW
What “experience” does Johnny Boy bring to the table ?
Piss-poor student ? Terrible pilot ? Horrible Senator ?
Liar ? Adulterer ? Moron ?
That’s quite the resume’ ……….
September 17th, 2008 at 6:43 pmTracy__5 bleats
But as soon as you admit that Obama’s economic advisor a college professor by the name of Austan Goolsbee with absolutely NO private sector experience…
SOOO, I guess in Tracy’s world you need to know the different types of corrupt business practices apparently rampant in the “private sector” to be able to apply sound economic principal a regulation to keep the machine running fairly and smoothly?
(btw the orivate sector is barely private now, since sooo many nig names are being “nationalized” by YOUR POTUS, you joker)
what is your big hardon for McCain?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pmdbadass:
September 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI almost spit my beer out on my monitor. So you go out looking for marks on the pier, huh? Genius. Bet them on the catch, drink free beer.
Xisithrus Says:
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MCMetal Says: Only thing I know about fishing is how to out-drink everyone on the boat
Same here. Its alot like golf in that respect as I outdrink everyone on the cart and dont own any clubs or hit any balls. The scenery is nice. =)
September 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
citizen_pain Says:
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The trick is to figure out how to out fish AND drink. I’ve been perfecting my method for years.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Nah , screw that , I can fillet like a motherfu(ker ( I used to work in the seafood department at a big grocery store as a kid) ; plus , I can jet-ski and water-ski.
Fishing bores me to tears………….
September 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pmdbadass Says:
Tracy_5
Who is more qualified as VP? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
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that’s a trick question.
everybody knows the answer is:
doug holtz-eakin!
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:50 pmWell MCMetal, that’s why they call it fishing and not catching.
It’s more relaxation than anything else. Also, can you drink a beer while your water skiing?
BTW, I’m an old headbanger myself. I could listen to Maiden or Priest right now and jam like back in the day.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pmdbadass Says:
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Tracy_5
Who is more qualified as VP? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
September 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Neither
It’s Caribou Barbie’s hubby …….Alaska’s 1st D0uche
September 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pmTracy_5
Who is more qualified as VP? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
^
hmmm, everybody’s answering that
question but trace.
i wonder why?
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September 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pmcitizen_pain Says:
More less but mostly on headboats rather than piers.
McMetal: We might need to have a cut off!
September 17th, 2008 at 6:58 pmcitizen_pain Says:
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Well MCMetal, that’s why they call it fishing and not catching.
It’s more relaxation than anything else. Also, can you drink a beer while your water skiing?
BTW, I’m an old headbanger myself. I could listen to Maiden or Priest right now and jam like back in the day.
September 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Actually , I can drink a beer doing that (no tricks , though)
Murders in the Rue Morgue is what I’m learning for one of my students right now…….
September 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pmI work for the airlines. I’m still working, but I gross about 50% of what I did 4 years ago. It’s difficult getting by on less. But, I just don’t see government as the answer. If I lose my job, due to a failing industry, I’ll have to find another one. If I can’t pay my bills, I’ll have to do without.
I understand that it’s a gray issue. We can’t get by without government. We need some government to function well as a society.
I just disagree with the trend. More and more people look to government to ‘provide the general welfare’. We want to bail out banks for mismanagement. Mortgage lenders and holders for making and taking bad loans. We want government to be responsible for acts of nature. For our healthcare. For job security. It goes on and on.
But, more powerful government has a cost. We make less decisions for ourselves. We keep less of the fruits of our labor. We feel less responsible for our own lives.
In our chorus of demands on government, we don’t consider the cost.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“A failure for 95% of Americans.”
Yes 95% of Americans live in poverty. Give us a break.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Only the upper 5% of wage earners have prospered greatly during Chimpy’s godawful presidency , dimwit……..
September 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pmNo one is listening to him now.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm“that’s why they call it fishing and not catching.”
If you can’t catch a fish, catch a buzz is another classic mate line
September 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pmTracey_5
MCMetal’s response will do.
We’ve witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth in this country since the gilded age, and only about 5% of the population has benefited.
That’s un-American.
Too bad you weren’t in the Rue Morgue.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmBack up sez:
More and more people look to government to ‘provide the general welfare’.
I wonder where they could have got that crazy notion:
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution
September 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmbackup Says:
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You’re just someone who doesn’t empathize with the what the MAJORITY of people are facing.
I work for the airlines. I’m still working, but I gross about 50% of what I did 4 years ago. It’s difficult getting by on less. But, I just don’t see government as the answer. If I lose my job, due to a failing industry, I’ll have to find another one. If I can’t pay my bills, I’ll have to do without.
I understand that it’s a gray issue. We can’t get by without government. We need some government to function well as a society.
I just disagree with the trend. More and more people look to government to ‘provide the general welfare’. We want to bail out banks for mismanagement. Mortgage lenders and holders for making and taking bad loans. We want government to be responsible for acts of nature. For our healthcare. For job security. It goes on and on.
But, more powerful government has a cost. We make less decisions for ourselves. We keep less of the fruits of our labor. We feel less responsible for our own lives.
In our chorus of demands on government, we don’t consider the cost.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
What the hell are you babbling about ?
Chimpy’s presidency has amounted to the LARGEST number of government employees in US history ; and most of them are unqualified turds who should be cleaning toilets.
You now have the largest government in US history , that does less than at any time , and the little they do is NOT for the betterment of the majority , but for a select few (based upon income , political and/or religious beliefs) ; what the hell kind of way is that to run the strongest nation on the planet ?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmbackup,
you don’t get it.
bush has gutted federal services
and slashed taxes for the wealthy
as no other chief executive before
him has ever done. this is what a
smaller, weakened federal government gets you.
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true, blackwater has prospered, the energy industry
has prospered, haliburton has prospered.
but the rest of us get it in the same place the
cat gets the thermometer. you don’t have to be
a progressive to say no to four more years of that.
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good luck.
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September 17th, 2008 at 7:14 pmno trace you’re not getting it.
doug holtz-eakin said mcsame
invented the blackberry.
take a minute and read about it here.
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September 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pmBackup says:
We want to bail out banks for mismanagement.
Who then will guarantee retirement, pensions? Companies like Enron? This crap shouldn’t happen in the first place, and it wouldn’t if the republicans didn’t throw out to rule book.
Mortgage lenders and holders for making and taking bad loans.
That’s because under Gramm’s scheme, nobody is held accountable for the debt. Just sell it! I don’t have to pay it back, fu(k it!
We want government to be responsible for acts of nature.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pmNo, our taxes fund the national guard and FEMA, as well as other agencies. This is part of the whole preamble notion we talked about earlier. Would you rather have Blackwater cleaning up Galveston?
For our healthcare.
Don’t you realize how much money would be saved if the majority of our population had access to decent healthcare? Why don’t they already? Where’s the invisible, correcting hand of the free market there?
For job security.
Not job security, but ensuring that decades of hard work doesn’t evaporate due to some Wall Street scheme?
Tracy__5 Says:
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#147
“So Holtz-Eakin’s bald-faced LIE that McDepends invented the BlackBerry”
He didn’t say he INVENTED the Blackberry just as Al Gore didn’t says he didn’t invent the internet.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
All right , CREATED ; which is still A LIE , jackass…….
He had absolutely nothing to do with it ; BlackBerry is from Canada , twit.
Gore had a hand in the “internets” ………
September 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pmTracy__5 Says:
#148
“SOOO, I guess in Tracy’s world you need to know the different types of corrupt business practices apparently rampant in the “private sector” …”
Would be good to know about them so you can correct them. Not knowing isn’t going to help present a corrective solution. Practical experience about how the economy works is more valuable than any PhD.
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and goddamn it sarah palin’s got
that practical experience!
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after all, she lives next a bank.
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September 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#148
“SOOO, I guess in Tracy’s world you need to know the different types of corrupt business practices apparently rampant in the “private sector” …”
Would be good to know about them so you can correct them. Not knowing isn’t going to help present a corrective solution. Practical experience about how the economy works is more valuable than any PhD.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Working off your idiotic premise , how come Chimpy didn’t recognize the coming problems after being a habitual failure in the business world ?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Only the upper 5% of wage earners have prospered greatly during Chimpy’s godawful presidency , dimwit……..”
So 5% greatly propering equals 95% of the rest failing?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
The country that tries to claim “equality” for all should reward 5% of the population and nobody else ?
You’re hopeless…………
September 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
#163
“…and only about 5% of the population has benefited.”
I have benefitted and I am not in the top 5%.
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whether you (or backup) agree or not
somebody lost today.
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September 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#163
“…and only about 5% of the population has benefited.”
I have benefitted and I am not in the top 5%.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I hate to inform you of this , but being in the top 20% of the most ignorant and stupid morons in the country , is not considered “beneficial”……….
September 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pmTracy_5:
September 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pmReally who is more qualified? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
Tracy__5 Says:
#167
“this is what a
smaller, weakened federal government gets you.”
Yes but this is what a huge all powerful government gets you…total economic collapse…and there is proof.
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sure.
you better get to work
making it up. the election
is getting closer.
^
and closer.
*
September 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pmAs have I Tracey. I’ve done pretty well over the last few years. But that’s not the point. The point is making our country viable to compete in the 21st century. It’s about making America, and Americans, stronger. It’s about doing the common sense things, the right things. It’s about finally realizing that we are all in this together, and what every person does effects every one. It’s about facing our challenges, trying something new that will benefit the whole and not the few. It’s not about ideology vs. ideology, tribe vs. tribe.
It’s about getting realistic and tackling the challenges of a new century, a new millennium.
McCain is not the man to do this.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pmTracy__5 Says:
#179
“…but being in the top 20% of the most ignorant and stupid morons in the country”
So that’s what you call the far left? Interesting. I was always told (but apparently lied to) they were the self proclaimed “enlighten ones”.
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who always told you that, trace?
it wasn’t me.
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i would have said
enlightened ones.
^
September 17th, 2008 at 7:35 pmdbadass Says:
Tracy_5:
Really who is more qualified? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?
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better forget it db,
i don’t trace wants
to get near that one.
^
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pmTracey just performed a classic right wing deflection.
“Just look at what big government gets you!”
Whether you realize it or not, that is a scathing indictment of the powers that be, who are in this case, republicans.
DO NOT blame the failure of this administration on government. Blame it on incompetence and ineptitude.
Government had nothing to do with the disaster that was Bu$h and the failed republican congressional majority of 1994 – 1996.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pmmake that 1994-2006
September 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pmsorry
Tracy__5 Says:
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#175
“The country that tries to claim “equality” for all should reward 5% of the population and nobody else ?”
Where did it ever claim economic equality? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal” ………Guess you conveniently over-looked that intro , eh dipshit ?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#174
“Working off your idiotic premise , how come Chimpy didn’t recognize the coming problems after being a habitual failure in the business world ?”
Uh, because he was a failed businessman. Do you have something better?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
You voted for him twice …………And were obviously laughably wrong.
When are you going to have something better in regards to McDepends , besides your obviously useless opinion ……?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
Really who is more qualified? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?”
I would say Biden is, but then again Palin and Biden aren’t running for POTUS.
true but obama picked biden
and mcsame picked palin.
and they’re both running for potus.
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and you agreed that biden was more qualified.
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#171
“He had absolutely nothing to do with it ; BlackBerry is from Canada , twit.”
The communication infrastructure that the BlackBerry operates on wasn’t. You guys think a guy holds up a particular model of PDA and think he is saying McCain created it? LOL!
September 17th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Douglas Holtz-Eakin. Waving his BlackBerry personal digital assistant and citing McCain’s work as a senator, he told reporters Tuesday, “You’re looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create.”
A McCain aide later dismissed the remark as “a boneheaded joke by a staffer.”
Senior McCain aide Matt McDonald said that the senator “laughed” when he heard the comment about the BlackBerry.
“He would not claim to be the inventor of anything, much less the BlackBerry. This was obviously a boneheaded joke by a staffer,” McDonald said.
Wanna’ try making up more absolute bullshit , you GOP pansy tool ?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:49 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”
Created equal? Economically? OK if you think that is what it means then why not just pay EVERYONE $100K and be done with it? You can’t be serious.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
What the fu(k is wrong with you ?
Unless you work for the government , your salary isn’t given to you be the US government.
However , there is no need for the government to reward those who make the most with extra tax breaks , either , you uncomprehending moron…….
September 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pmTracy__5 Says:
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Really who is more qualified? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?”
I would say Biden is, but then again Palin and Biden aren’t running for POTUS.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pm—
Does this make sense? Do you follow athletics much Tracy_5?
Tracy__5 Says:
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#183
“It’s about getting realistic and tackling the challenges of a new century, a new millennium.
McCain is not the man to do this.”
OK that’s your opinion, but I would rather rely on proven experience than a good talker.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Then why did you vote for Chimpy twice if that’s true , you lying sack of shit ?
Both Gore and Kerry had way more experience than the retarded simian from Crawford ; you’re such a partisan stooge…….
September 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pmMcCain has no proven experience. 26 years in Washington and we find ourselves in this clusterfu(k. He’s part of the problem.
It’s obvious that he’ll be another puppet for the men behind the curtain. We’ve had 8 years of that and it hasn’t worked out too well.
C’mon. Take the leap. Join us here in the 21st century.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:54 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#187
“DO NOT blame the failure of this administration on government. Blame it on incompetence and ineptitude.”
I totally agree.
“Government had nothing to do with the disaster that was Bu$h and the failed republican congressional majority of 1994 – 1996.”
The 1990s were pretty good economic times if memory serves, and please don’t try to tell us the Clinton was totally responsible for those good times because if it weren’t for that 1994-1996 Congress there would have never been a balanced budget.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
If the GOP was such an integral part as you claim back in the ’90’s , how come the 1st 7 years of our budget in the 21st century has been a clusterfu(k with a GOP majority ?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:59 pmTracy__5 Says:
“i would have said
enlightened ones.”
Are you trying to be a flea?
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sorry trace
i forgot how good grammar
hurts your feelings.
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… I was always told (but apparently lied to) they were the self proclaimed “enlighten ones”.
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do you have any names of the
people who always told you this?
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or did you just make it up because
you were trying to prop up some kind
of conservative stereo type?
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September 17th, 2008 at 8:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#193
“You voted for him twice …………And were obviously laughably wrong.”
The little problem of terrorism was a little more important than the economy from 2000-2004.
September 17th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
And an AWOL chickenshit moron is better equipped to deal with terrorism than a military combat veteran and hero ?
BTW
You are a perfect example of the 1-issue voter and the incredible ignorance that accompanies that type of individual ………………
September 17th, 2008 at 8:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#193
“When are you going to have something better in regards to McDepends , besides your obviously useless opinion ……?
When you offer something better than NObama.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Why ?
McDepends has spent 26 years in the Senate , and done absolutely nothing of note.
Give Obama the same 26 years and then make that same stupid claim…….
September 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pmTracy__5 Says:
#195
“and you agreed that biden was more qualified.”
But McCain is more qualified than Obama. Remember we don’t get to choose the VP.
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welcome to the upside down
world of tracy_5.
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you’re not an airline pilot
or a surgeon, are you?
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September 17th, 2008 at 8:09 pmactually trace we actually do get to pick the vp.
when we vote in november.
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i’m picking senator biden.
who are you picking?
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#197
“Senior McCain aide Matt McDonald said that the senator “laughed” when he heard the comment about the BlackBerry.”
Apparently McCain got the joke but you didn’t. Even more annunciation for you half wits is necessary I see.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Oh , I see , you always knew it was a “joke” .
Explain this , then , dipshit :
Tracy__5 Says:
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#171
“He had absolutely nothing to do with it ; BlackBerry is from Canada , twit.”
The communication infrastructure that the BlackBerry operates on wasn’t. You guys think a guy holds up a particular model of PDA and think he is saying McCain created it? LOL!
September 17th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Half an hour ago , you were claiming that McDepends was responsible for the communication infrastructure that PDA’s operate on , and that Douglas Holtz-Eakin wasn’t pointing to the BlackBerry btand in particular.
Now you’re trying to backtrack after being proven to be completely full of shit ?
What a lying little weasel jackass you truly are.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:11 pmTracy__5 Says:
#198
“Unless you work for the government , your salary isn’t given to you be the US government.”
That has nothing to do with my comment. You were implying that everyone needs to be equal.
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i agree with you here tracy.
you are not equal.
in fact you’re falling very far behind.
%
and it’s sad.
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September 17th, 2008 at 8:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#198
“Unless you work for the government , your salary isn’t given to you be the US government.”
That has nothing to do with my comment. You were implying that everyone needs to be equal.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
It has everything to do with it , shitstain.
I claimed the basis of the US , and indeed it is written in the beginning of our own Declaration of Independence , is EQUALITY.
In what way does rewarding 5% of the population , “equal” ?
September 17th, 2008 at 8:12 pmHey Tracy , you ignorant inbred
I wish I could buy you for what you’re truly worth , and then sell you for what you laughably and delusionally believe you’re worth ; I’d make a damn fortune and be able to retire right now……….
September 17th, 2008 at 8:18 pmTracy__5 Says:
#201
“Both Gore and Kerry had way more experience than the retarded simian from Crawford ; you’re such a partisan stooge…….”
But their BS politics and policies nixed it for me. Under these rules you have to vote for McCain because he is more experienced than Obama. You know it’s OK to vote for someone if you believe in their politics and policies.
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politics and policies?
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 8:19 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#201
“Both Gore and Kerry had way more experience than the retarded simian from Crawford ; you’re such a partisan stooge…….”
But their BS politics and policies nixed it for me. Under these rules you have to vote for McCain because he is more experienced than Obama. You know it’s OK to vote for someone if you believe in their politics and policies.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
What does McDepends’ “experience” mean if his policies are nothing more than an extension of Chimpy’s , which have been proven to be completely ludicrous , ineffective and the worst in US history ?
You are a GOP tool and an un-American political party 1st’er ……Loser.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:21 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#205
“..how come the 1st 7 years of our budget in the 21st century has been a clusterfu(k with a GOP majority ?”
Because to old saying goes absolute power corrupts absolutely. The GOP stopped being conservative in the last 7 years.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
And that explains you’re hard-on for McDepends , seeing as how the last 8 godawful years the Oval Office has been occupied by which party ?
Every one of your supposed “points” are rendered totally meaningless , because they’re all contradictory ……..
September 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pmTracy__5 Says:
#205
“..how come the 1st 7 years of our budget in the 21st century has been a clusterfu(k with a GOP majority ?”
Because to old saying goes absolute power corrupts absolutely. The GOP stopped being conservative in the last 7 years.
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try that one out at
open mike night.
^
swear to god you’ll
get big laughs with it.
:)
September 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#208
You are a perfect example of the 1-issue voter and the incredible ignorance that accompanies that type of individual ………………”
That one issue, i.e. terrorism, kinda made everything else dependent.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Even if that were to be true , that doesn’t explain voting for an unintelligible AWOL chickenshit imbecile again over a military combat veteran , dopey ……….
September 17th, 2008 at 8:26 pmtrace,
follow up joke:
“mccain and pallin – change you can believe in!”
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September 17th, 2008 at 8:27 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#210
Give Obama the same 26 years and then make that same stupid claim…….”
Then tell Obama to take himself off the ballot and make another run at the presidency in 2034.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Run for the presidency of the United States of Neo Cons ?
Unnecessary ; McDepends has proven without a shadow of a doubt that he isn’t even below-average .
He is absolutely useless and I hope he enjoys his retirement after November the 4th with you changing his diapers……..
September 17th, 2008 at 8:28 pmTracy__5 Says:
#214
“i’m picking senator biden.
who are you picking?”
McCain. What ballot are you using?
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well trace
mine says mccain for president
and palin for vice president.
or
obama for president
and biden for vice president.
(and then you pick the pair you like best.)
*
are you old enough to vote?
^
September 17th, 2008 at 8:30 pmIs that the top 20% that pays 87% of the income taxes. (vs. the 80% that pay the other 13%)?
http://www.atr.org/content/pdf/2008/August/081408ot-federalincometaxandwhattheypay.pdf
Yeah, we’d all be a lot better off without those greedy bastards.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
“well since you insist.
i’m guessing a new president
who’s name is obama.”
I am more qualified to be POTUS than that guy!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
No you arent you are just more ignorant by an order of magnitude. What is it about being a bone ignorant troll that you think qualifies you to be president? We already took the elect someone stupid beyond belief to be president and see how it works out route. Didnt work out so well so THAT ALONE disqualifies YOU.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:15 pmTracy__5 Says:
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#200
“Does this make sense? Do you follow athletics much Tracy_5?”
When you vote is McCain and Obama going to be on the ballot?…or will it read McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden?
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September 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pmSo the VP is not second in the standings and thus the second most qualified team/player? Is that what you are saying?
Tracy__5 Says:
It was a JOKE. Of course Obama is qualified to be president…it’s just the McCain is MORE qualified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well it certainly WAS a joke as is the ludicrous comment that McCain is more qualified than Obama. McCain IS qualified to be a BAD president. We have had enough of those moronic conservative BAD presidents I think we ought to shoot for a GOOD president this time.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pmTracy__5 Says:
Really who is more qualified? Mr Biden or Ms Palin?”
I would say Biden is, but then again Palin and Biden aren’t running for POTUS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
While that is true. The only REAL constitutional requirement for the VP is to have a pulse. McStupid is far more likely to kick off than Obama and Caribou Barbie is just flat out scary not to mention a liar and a fool.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:25 pmTracy__5 Says:
#193
“When are you going to have something better in regards to McDepends , besides your obviously useless opinion ……?
When you offer something better than NObama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are a sad and VERY stupid troll. YOU denigrate Obama when McSTUPID is your candidate? Also Bush didnt do SQUAT about terrorism you worthless moron. Ben Laden is fat and happy and thanking Allah every day we had such a worthless incompetent boob as Bush as Americas president. The problem is Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism so Bush, apparantly to prove he is almost as stupid as YOU, invades the most SECULAR ISLAMIC COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. You are ignorant THAT is why you like ignorant presidents
September 17th, 2008 at 9:31 pmbackup,
interesting link dude.
here’s one for you.
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you’re sourcing a group with
ties to big tobacco and the
republican party.
*
you really are showing off
your trollness today, aren’t you?
(maybe you should go back to calling
yourself captain mantastic and give up
this concern troll thing.)
#
September 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pmbackup Says:
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I hate to inform you of this , but being in the top 20% of the most ignorant and stupid morons in the country , is not considered “beneficial”……….
Is that the top 20% that pays 87% of the income taxes. (vs. the 80% that pay the other 13%)?
http://www.atr.org/ content/ pdf/ 2008/ August/ 081408ot-federalincometaxandwhattheypay.pdf
Yeah, we’d all be a lot better off without those greedy bastards.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
The likelihood that Tracy the weasel is among the top 20% of wage earners in this country is one of the funniest and stupidest things you have ever posted , backup ; and that’s saying something (just not anything good)
September 17th, 2008 at 9:52 pmWhere’s all the moronic trolls from 2005, 2006, and 2007?
Where are you people?
I RIGHT I?
Mighty Aphrodite?
Jason Hendler?
NorthEast Dilemma?
Roger Roger?
Frank?
Siexon?
C Storms?
Tracy?
Keltoi?
Southern Man?
Liberals love Stalin?
September 17th, 2008 at 10:47 pmJoe Cantwell:
That’s a pretty weak response. Nowhere do you challenge McCain’s statements on the Senate floor or the bill he cosponsored that called for greater regulation and oversight. Instead you bring up a quote where McCain acknowledges his pro-deregulation ways. But one can be inclined towards deregulation without being universally opposed to any sort of regulation. As he said in the very video you linked to, he realizes there is a need for government oversight.
As the Washington Post reported the other day, McCain has backed some regulations, including FDA regulation on tobacco and, at the time, Sarbanes-Oxley. So, I hope you’re able to see the nuance in this, and perhaps next time you can actually address the bill proposed by Senator McCain.
September 18th, 2008 at 1:24 amthirdparty,
funny how a weak repsonse
got you to respond. oh well
i have that effect on trolls.
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anyway –
if, by all of what you’ve written,
you’re saying that senator mcsame
has, on occasion, said one thing but
done another i would agree with you.
he is unstable that way.
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good luck.
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September 18th, 2008 at 1:50 amTracy__5 Says:
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#210
Give Obama the same 26 years and then make that same stupid claim…….”
Then tell Obama to take himself off the ballot and make another run at the presidency in 2034.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:25 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abus
But, but, he’s still going to be black,gulp. (sarcasm, but true for T5)
tony and lido
September 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am
McCain is no different than those bags the carriage horses in NYC have hanging under their tails.
And he’s no less full of shit.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:28 am