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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5246244</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or invented.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5246244', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5246206</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re on the topic of history, here&#039;s the video of Biden explaining how FDR got on television to handle the stock market crash of 1929:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/

Obviously, a couple of problems.  FDR wasn&#039;t the president in 29, and television wasn&#039;t evented yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re on the topic of history, here&#8217;s the video of Biden explaining how FDR got on television to handle the stock market crash of 1929:</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/</a></p>
<p>Obviously, a couple of problems.  FDR wasn&#8217;t the president in 29, and television wasn&#8217;t evented yet.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5246206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nygenxer</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5245988</link>
		<dc:creator>nygenxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I&#039;d also like to point out that all this is being paid for by a Federal income tax that is illegal. 

There&#039;s a lot of BS and bologna arguments as to why the Federal income tax is true a la tinfoil hat groups &amp; sea lawyers, but there are a few valid arguments which, in any case, are enitirely moot since the amendment added to the US Constitution to create the Federal income tax in the first place &lt;strong&gt;was never ratified!&lt;/strong&gt; Take a few moments to check: only a handful of states signed on, not the plurality an amendment to the Constitution requires.

The courts have acknowledged this fact, but have essentially said, &quot;Yeah, it&#039;s not legal but since so much time has passed, we&#039;re enforcing as if it was the law and therefore it IS the law.&quot; (I don&#039;t remember the Latin legal phrase.)

Interestingly enough, that very same argument was used regarding the personhood status of corporations. This &quot;law&quot; is based on a case summary written by a court clerk (who was a former railroad lobbyist) in the case of &lt;em&gt;Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad&lt;/em&gt; (1886) and has subsequently stretched and abused the 14th amendment for the benefit of our corporate masters rather than for former slaves at a rate of 9:1, meaning

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Of the 150 cases involving the Fourteenth Amendment heard by the Supreme Court up to the Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 that established the legal standing of &#039;separate but equal,&#039; 15 involved blacks and 135 involved business entities.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Class dismissed. 

(quote from Doug Hammerstrom, reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/fourteenth_amendment_hammerstrom.pdf)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I&#8217;d also like to point out that all this is being paid for by a Federal income tax that is illegal. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of BS and bologna arguments as to why the Federal income tax is true a la tinfoil hat groups &amp; sea lawyers, but there are a few valid arguments which, in any case, are enitirely moot since the amendment added to the US Constitution to create the Federal income tax in the first place <strong>was never ratified!</strong> Take a few moments to check: only a handful of states signed on, not the plurality an amendment to the Constitution requires.</p>
<p>The courts have acknowledged this fact, but have essentially said, &#8220;Yeah, it&#8217;s not legal but since so much time has passed, we&#8217;re enforcing as if it was the law and therefore it IS the law.&#8221; (I don&#8217;t remember the Latin legal phrase.)</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, that very same argument was used regarding the personhood status of corporations. This &#8220;law&#8221; is based on a case summary written by a court clerk (who was a former railroad lobbyist) in the case of <em>Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad</em> (1886) and has subsequently stretched and abused the 14th amendment for the benefit of our corporate masters rather than for former slaves at a rate of 9:1, meaning</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Of the 150 cases involving the Fourteenth Amendment heard by the Supreme Court up to the Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 that established the legal standing of &#8217;separate but equal,&#8217; 15 involved blacks and 135 involved business entities.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Class dismissed. </p>
<p>(quote from Doug Hammerstrom, reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/fourteenth_amendment_hammerstrom.pdf)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5245988', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nygenxer</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5244978</link>
		<dc:creator>nygenxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson was beholden to the banking lobbyists who helped him get elected. The Central Bank legislation was passed on Christmas Eve when most DC pols were home for the holidays. Wilson later wrote that the creation of the Federal Reserve system was his greatest regret, saying:

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Why should the American people pay interest to a private corporation to &quot;borrow&quot; OUR OWN CURRENCY? &lt;em&gt;There is no way to ever, ever pay off that debt since you are in debt from the first dollar onwards.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson was beholden to the banking lobbyists who helped him get elected. The Central Bank legislation was passed on Christmas Eve when most DC pols were home for the holidays. Wilson later wrote that the creation of the Federal Reserve system was his greatest regret, saying:</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Why should the American people pay interest to a private corporation to &#8220;borrow&#8221; OUR OWN CURRENCY? <em>There is no way to ever, ever pay off that debt since you are in debt from the first dollar onwards.</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5244978', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Smith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5244324</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawyer Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And really let&#039;s call this what it is - it is not a bailout.  It is the largest redistribution of wealth in American and probably world history.  And it&#039;s not redistribution of top end wealth to the poor, which is something noble in my view, it is giving the poor&#039;s money to the wealthy. 700 billion is not just near term future wealth it is the foreseeable future&#039;s entire wealth.  

It is better these banks go under and we rebuild from the ashes than to enslave our future generations to the government.  Right now most of us pay a third to half of our income out in some sort of tax but mostly income tax.  What percentage will the government demand in the future with this bill coming home to roost?  2/3rds?  Don&#039;t laugh.  Prior to Reagan the top 1% of earners in this country paid taxes as high as 75% on their income.  That tax level is now 15% as most people in that bracket don&#039;t earn salaries, they make &quot;capital gains&quot; - formerly and more accurately known as &quot;unearned income.&quot;  Those who do earn incomes from work at this level still only pay a measly third out if they have very bad tax accountants and financial planners.  With good ones they pay nothing to almost nothing.  Slowly, but surely, the wealthy have been pushing the tax burden down the economic ladder and in this one fell swoop, will ensure that it will happen sooner and to a much larger degree.

Oh,and by the by, the amendment to the Constitution that allwoed the government to tax income for the first tim ein history (16th Amendment - 1913)was sold to the public on the idea that only the top 5% of earners would be paying it.  The tax code had five brackets, the low end of income taxed began at $100,000 at 1% up to the highest bracket of $500,000 or more at 5%.  In 1913!  Translated to today that would mean only a percentage of the top 1% would be paying any taxes at all - maybe we should hold Congress to their original promise.

Anything, anything at all is better than this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And really let&#8217;s call this what it is &#8211; it is not a bailout.  It is the largest redistribution of wealth in American and probably world history.  And it&#8217;s not redistribution of top end wealth to the poor, which is something noble in my view, it is giving the poor&#8217;s money to the wealthy. 700 billion is not just near term future wealth it is the foreseeable future&#8217;s entire wealth.  </p>
<p>It is better these banks go under and we rebuild from the ashes than to enslave our future generations to the government.  Right now most of us pay a third to half of our income out in some sort of tax but mostly income tax.  What percentage will the government demand in the future with this bill coming home to roost?  2/3rds?  Don&#8217;t laugh.  Prior to Reagan the top 1% of earners in this country paid taxes as high as 75% on their income.  That tax level is now 15% as most people in that bracket don&#8217;t earn salaries, they make &#8220;capital gains&#8221; &#8211; formerly and more accurately known as &#8220;unearned income.&#8221;  Those who do earn incomes from work at this level still only pay a measly third out if they have very bad tax accountants and financial planners.  With good ones they pay nothing to almost nothing.  Slowly, but surely, the wealthy have been pushing the tax burden down the economic ladder and in this one fell swoop, will ensure that it will happen sooner and to a much larger degree.</p>
<p>Oh,and by the by, the amendment to the Constitution that allwoed the government to tax income for the first tim ein history (16th Amendment &#8211; 1913)was sold to the public on the idea that only the top 5% of earners would be paying it.  The tax code had five brackets, the low end of income taxed began at $100,000 at 1% up to the highest bracket of $500,000 or more at 5%.  In 1913!  Translated to today that would mean only a percentage of the top 1% would be paying any taxes at all &#8211; maybe we should hold Congress to their original promise.</p>
<p>Anything, anything at all is better than this idea.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5244324', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: citizen_pain</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5244276</link>
		<dc:creator>citizen_pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course some democrats are as entrenched as republicans in this K Street environment of corruption.  There will always be bad apples in a barrel.

A few points on that though:

1) We are seeing a new progressive element in legislature develop right before our eyes.  Look at Kucinich, Dodd, Feingold, and a host of other newer faces that don&#039;t have much notoriety.  Look for even more new progressive faces after this coming election.  I believe the whole dem/repub paradigm is shifting.  

2)  To just lump dems in with repubs as being part of the problems we are facing now, in terms of the financial crisis, is to ignore the fact that the policies responsible for this melt-down were ram-rodded down the throat of Americans and Congress by a Republican majority of all branches of government from 2000 to 2006.

3)  After 35 + years of supply side, trickle down economics being the dominant financial ideology of Washington, and seeing these policies under the above said republican majority come to such disastrous fruition, defenders of this ideology really have no leg to stand on in debating these issues.  We have tried this philosophy and it has failed miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course some democrats are as entrenched as republicans in this K Street environment of corruption.  There will always be bad apples in a barrel.</p>
<p>A few points on that though:</p>
<p>1) We are seeing a new progressive element in legislature develop right before our eyes.  Look at Kucinich, Dodd, Feingold, and a host of other newer faces that don&#8217;t have much notoriety.  Look for even more new progressive faces after this coming election.  I believe the whole dem/repub paradigm is shifting.  </p>
<p>2)  To just lump dems in with repubs as being part of the problems we are facing now, in terms of the financial crisis, is to ignore the fact that the policies responsible for this melt-down were ram-rodded down the throat of Americans and Congress by a Republican majority of all branches of government from 2000 to 2006.</p>
<p>3)  After 35 + years of supply side, trickle down economics being the dominant financial ideology of Washington, and seeing these policies under the above said republican majority come to such disastrous fruition, defenders of this ideology really have no leg to stand on in debating these issues.  We have tried this philosophy and it has failed miserably.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5244276', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Smith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5244224</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawyer Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My demands as a taxpayer in return for the bailouts:

1)Everyone who lost their home and needs a home to live in gets their home back with clear title, no mortgage.  (Part of the bailout is their future wealth and if the people pay the price for these mortgages, they should get the properties)

2) Everyone who currently owns a mortgage on a home and is not in default, now gets clear title and their mortgage is wiped from the books just to be fair - the banks are gettin a tone of money for these properties.

3) Low cost health, auto, home and life insurance policies issued by AIG to every person in America.

OR 

700 billion to one trillion dollars distributed to every person age 18 or over with amounts determined by current income level and no money goes to the top 5%-10% of earners.

OR 

we can just give away our future wealth to one man, who will then turn and give it to a few hundred people - who will keep it and never return it to the economy in any way, shape or form in exchange for pieces of commercial paper with a current value of $0.00 and a realistic future value of $0.00 because who in the hell would buy defaulted paper?

This last one is called trickle down economics or rich people peeing on yo9u, however you want to look at it.  We&#039;ve been getting hosed on for quite some time and all we get is hosed again and again so it&#039;s time for some bottom up economics instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My demands as a taxpayer in return for the bailouts:</p>
<p>1)Everyone who lost their home and needs a home to live in gets their home back with clear title, no mortgage.  (Part of the bailout is their future wealth and if the people pay the price for these mortgages, they should get the properties)</p>
<p>2) Everyone who currently owns a mortgage on a home and is not in default, now gets clear title and their mortgage is wiped from the books just to be fair &#8211; the banks are gettin a tone of money for these properties.</p>
<p>3) Low cost health, auto, home and life insurance policies issued by AIG to every person in America.</p>
<p>OR </p>
<p>700 billion to one trillion dollars distributed to every person age 18 or over with amounts determined by current income level and no money goes to the top 5%-10% of earners.</p>
<p>OR </p>
<p>we can just give away our future wealth to one man, who will then turn and give it to a few hundred people &#8211; who will keep it and never return it to the economy in any way, shape or form in exchange for pieces of commercial paper with a current value of $0.00 and a realistic future value of $0.00 because who in the hell would buy defaulted paper?</p>
<p>This last one is called trickle down economics or rich people peeing on yo9u, however you want to look at it.  We&#8217;ve been getting hosed on for quite some time and all we get is hosed again and again so it&#8217;s time for some bottom up economics instead.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5244224', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedahlia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluedahlia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Marcus is not a troll.
 And if you think that our elected Dems don&#039;t have investments in banking, oil, defense, insurance and drug companies, and it doesn&#039;t cloud their judgement, you are an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Marcus is not a troll.<br />
 And if you think that our elected Dems don&#8217;t have investments in banking, oil, defense, insurance and drug companies, and it doesn&#8217;t cloud their judgement, you are an idiot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5244082', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: citizen_pain</title>
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		<dc:creator>citizen_pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a really detailed explanation of the origins of the Federal Reserve, watch all parts (5) of the Zeitgeist:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+federal+reserve&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a really detailed explanation of the origins of the Federal Reserve, watch all parts (5) of the Zeitgeist:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+federal+reserve&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+federal+reserve&amp;search_type=&amp;aq=f</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243910', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: henry wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>profmarcus @ #1

In order to clean house we need to get our house elected.

We don&#039;t need concern trolls here and now.

Comeback in 09.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>profmarcus @ #1</p>
<p>In order to clean house we need to get our house elected.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need concern trolls here and now.</p>
<p>Comeback in 09.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243808', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243802</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicans and Bush Administration are looking for a bailout for their 400 friends on Wall Street and the upper .1% with no oversight. No surprise there. &quot;Money for nothin&#039;, that&#039;s the way ya do it.&quot;

But hold on... what better time ( since we are going to have to borrow the money anyway from our grandkids) to set up that proverbial &quot;lock box&quot; and secure the funds for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid?  

&lt;strong&gt;Hell, if we&#039;re Borrowing money from future generations to the tune of Trillions of Dollars, we might as well fund Universal Health CARE this way. No? &lt;/strong&gt;

If we have the funny money for the Iraq war and to bail out poor investments that the taxpayers have to pay... might as well make it worth our while, no?

Because, IMHO they are just trying to break the bank so some of these programs will be impossible to implement. Don&#039;t fall for it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans and Bush Administration are looking for a bailout for their 400 friends on Wall Street and the upper .1% with no oversight. No surprise there. &#8220;Money for nothin&#8217;, that&#8217;s the way ya do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But hold on&#8230; what better time ( since we are going to have to borrow the money anyway from our grandkids) to set up that proverbial &#8220;lock box&#8221; and secure the funds for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid?  </p>
<p><strong>Hell, if we&#8217;re Borrowing money from future generations to the tune of Trillions of Dollars, we might as well fund Universal Health CARE this way. No? </strong></p>
<p>If we have the funny money for the Iraq war and to bail out poor investments that the taxpayers have to pay&#8230; might as well make it worth our while, no?</p>
<p>Because, IMHO they are just trying to break the bank so some of these programs will be impossible to implement. Don&#8217;t fall for it again.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243802', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243798</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re still fighting the Red Coats. It&#039;s obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still fighting the Red Coats. It&#8217;s obvious.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243798', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Rock</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243792</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am opposed to any bailout--certainlyt the Cheney-Bush-Paulson version.  If we have to have something, let&#039;s look at the Dodd bill as a &lt;strong&gt;point of departure&lt;/strong&gt;.  Authority to spend anything must have strenuous, non-partisan oversight and cronyism must be beaten down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am opposed to any bailout&#8211;certainlyt the Cheney-Bush-Paulson version.  If we have to have something, let&#8217;s look at the Dodd bill as a <strong>point of departure</strong>.  Authority to spend anything must have strenuous, non-partisan oversight and cronyism must be beaten down.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243792', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: greenpagan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243788</link>
		<dc:creator>greenpagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW -- I fully admit FDR--arguably the greatest President in American history and the Father of Our Modern Country--was a liberal reformer and national reconstructionist (as well as a war leader) and not looking to radically transform the system. He was trying to save capitalism and did by forcing social-democratic adaptations upon it. He would not have rejoiced over the current situation. His plan was for a tripartite establishment of Government Business and Labor. (Furthermore, FDR wanted to pass a New Bill of Rights that included universal healthcare.)  But what do we have now? A Government broken by those who hijacked it. They are criminals and should be treated as such. 

  He was an aristocrat with a difference. If you&#039;re going to throw mud on him at least give your reasons. Otherwise it&#039;s just useless empty-headedness. You could just as flippantly say George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin set the stage for the crisis of predatory capitalism existing today. But that wouldn&#039;t make much sense unless you could show proximate cause. In other words, those closest to perpetrating the malefaction are the guilty parties. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8212; I fully admit FDR&#8211;arguably the greatest President in American history and the Father of Our Modern Country&#8211;was a liberal reformer and national reconstructionist (as well as a war leader) and not looking to radically transform the system. He was trying to save capitalism and did by forcing social-democratic adaptations upon it. He would not have rejoiced over the current situation. His plan was for a tripartite establishment of Government Business and Labor. (Furthermore, FDR wanted to pass a New Bill of Rights that included universal healthcare.)  But what do we have now? A Government broken by those who hijacked it. They are criminals and should be treated as such. </p>
<p>  He was an aristocrat with a difference. If you&#8217;re going to throw mud on him at least give your reasons. Otherwise it&#8217;s just useless empty-headedness. You could just as flippantly say George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin set the stage for the crisis of predatory capitalism existing today. But that wouldn&#8217;t make much sense unless you could show proximate cause. In other words, those closest to perpetrating the malefaction are the guilty parties. </p>
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		<title>By: greenpagan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243786</link>
		<dc:creator>greenpagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaming the Democrats for this current mess is complete and utter  fabrication if not evidence of extreme dementia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming the Democrats for this current mess is complete and utter  fabrication if not evidence of extreme dementia.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243786', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dae</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243784</link>
		<dc:creator>dae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its time to send the banksters, the neocons, the neoliberals and all their political henchmen to a Chinese labor camp and force feed them melamine-tainted baby formula. After a month or so of this enriched diet, push them out of an airplane circling Wall Street without a parachute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time to send the banksters, the neocons, the neoliberals and all their political henchmen to a Chinese labor camp and force feed them melamine-tainted baby formula. After a month or so of this enriched diet, push them out of an airplane circling Wall Street without a parachute.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243784', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243782</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Baaaaaaa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiO9FE3TiG4

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Baaaaaaa&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiO9FE3TiG4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiO9FE3TiG4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich H</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243770</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Republican/Democrat argument that there all the same is not quite true.  
  While both may steal some money (I say that just to appease) one way to tell for sure is the Republican votes no to preschool, headstart and school lunchs, and the Democrat will vote yes.
  It&#039;s pretty simple to see why people think Republicans are greedy self serving bastards.  It&#039;s also easy to see why sane people vote Democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Republican/Democrat argument that there all the same is not quite true.<br />
  While both may steal some money (I say that just to appease) one way to tell for sure is the Republican votes no to preschool, headstart and school lunchs, and the Democrat will vote yes.<br />
  It&#8217;s pretty simple to see why people think Republicans are greedy self serving bastards.  It&#8217;s also easy to see why sane people vote Democratic.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243770', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: had enough</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243762</link>
		<dc:creator>had enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Evil, 
I do understand the right as I used to be one of them. I was arrogant, thought Reagan and our government was wonderful, would grow very bored if a co worker of color talked of discrimination.  It took a few journeys in life to come to my senses.  Now, I can&#039;t stand others that have the same qualities I had such as feeling superior to others, being completely oblivious to current events but into appearances and at the same time not seeing the flaw in this because after all I thought I was perfect.  

Those on the right think only  THEY can handle our government, will do  anything to win as the end justifies the means to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Evil,<br />
I do understand the right as I used to be one of them. I was arrogant, thought Reagan and our government was wonderful, would grow very bored if a co worker of color talked of discrimination.  It took a few journeys in life to come to my senses.  Now, I can&#8217;t stand others that have the same qualities I had such as feeling superior to others, being completely oblivious to current events but into appearances and at the same time not seeing the flaw in this because after all I thought I was perfect.  </p>
<p>Those on the right think only  THEY can handle our government, will do  anything to win as the end justifies the means to them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243762', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Picklee</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/democrats-history-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-5243754</link>
		<dc:creator>Picklee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that no one has said anything about the price tag of the war in relation to this. 

&lt;strong&gt;These bailouts are more than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/iraq-casualties-iraq-cos_n_92303.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;twice&lt;/a&gt; what we&#039;ve already paid for the war in Iraq.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that no one has said anything about the price tag of the war in relation to this. </p>
<p><strong>These bailouts are more than <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/iraq-casualties-iraq-cos_n_92303.html" rel="nofollow">twice</a> what we&#8217;ve already paid for the war in Iraq.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5243754', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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