McCain pledges amnesty for 50,000 illegal Irish immigrants.
McCain pledges amnesty for 50,000 illegal Irish immigrants.
In a town hall today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said that as president, he would ensure that 50,000 “illegal” Irish immigrants residing in the United States could find a “path to citizenship:”
There are 50,000 Irish men and women who are in this country illegally at this time, who are hard-working people, who want to become citizens. And I want to assure you that we will enact comprehensive immigration reform, after they do certain things, obviously, give them a path to citizenship in this country as part of an overall immigration reform package.
McCain said that the United States has been “enriched” from “Irish, Italian, Pol[ish]” immigrants. He later included “our Hispanic citizenry” in his list. Watch it:
In right-wing speak, this proposal is called “amnesty.” Previously, McCain ditched his support of immigration reform because of right-wing opposition to “open borders” with Mexico and “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants. Does McCain support making all 9.36 million Hispanic immigrants citizens as well?
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September 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pmSpeaking as a descendant of Irish Americans, Senator McCain can take this and his myriad of other inconsistent 'I will make any sort of promise at all in exchange for your support…' proposals and stick it where there is no sierra vista.
If you ever lived in southern Arizona, you'll understand. John McCain won't…
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pmI see, so it's just the brown people who should be exported back to their own countries.
If undocumented immigrants are considered "illegal" immigrants, doesn't that apply to all illegals?
Or is it that Irish illegals are predominantly Catholic, and McStain is pandering to the pro-life crowd?
PEACE
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm"Let my McPeople Go!!"
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pmThis is not what it appears to be, folks.
After all, there prolly are a few Black Irish in that crowd...
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 pmJust remember, John McCain does not actually speak for the Palin-McCain campaign...
Next thing you know, Flippy McFlop will be advocating for a 4000-mile-long border fence along the US atlantic coast to prevent those awful Irish folk from entering the US illegally. Of course, he'll forget that very very few of them actually get here on foot from Ireland...
But hey, I hear you can actually see Ireland from some parts of Maine -- so I guess that means that Bullwinkle can run this Irish immigration program for McSame...
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 pmHow McWhite of him.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 pmThe difference is that all those Irish people are white, and the Hispanic are not, ergo the Hispanics have got to go.
GOP- the party of racists.
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pmAmnesty is A-OK if you're not brown.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:00 pmjoe cantwell @#1,
That's because Mexico posses a threat to the HOMELAND...
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September 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 pmIrish... how obvious is this?
McCain is losing it... he is too old and becoming an embarrassment. Even though the neocons have pulled despicable unforgivable tactics, I view McCain as very sad.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:03 pmout of all the things to talk about today.....THIS was his #1?
something tells me that's code to the KKK that he's going to flood america with the "right kind" of immigrants
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 pmThis town meeting was in Pennsylvania. Make of that what you will.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pmTHe USofA was founded upon the basis that White People deserve and get special treatment and privilege.
Why are you astonished? Surprised? That they said so openly?
Yeah, well that sorta worries me too.
They're acting just like they know the fuuking fix is in...
I'm not betting and cash on this 'n...
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmActually, I like what he says here. The problem with McCain is he talks out one side of his mouth, and votes out the other. Of course, no one is really talking about the Irish problem these days, but if there's a man to set a whole new standard for non sequitors (I mean how can Barry O'Bama be agin' the Irish?), it's John McCain. Just ask the Prime Minister of Spain. I keep waiting for him to demand that all the coaches in the SEC get fired for being to greedy about national rankings in the BCS. Johnny Mac and the BS X-press.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmI watched both candidates speeches today. McCain promised to make a way for illegal immigrants in this country to attain citizenship legally, while in the meantime allowing temporary work visas. This was for ALL illegals, not just Irish immigrants nor just "brown" people. On the other hand, while watching Mr. Obama speak, I was repeatedly concerned with the idea that his only plan for the presidency is to proceed with whatever McCain is against. He talked alot about the Clinton administration also. Mr. Obama made the statement that the average family income under Clinton was much higher than it is now. I'm not sure who he calls average, but under Clinton, my family came very close to losing its income completely, since that income was associated with a government contract on a military base that he was closing in order to create a surplus that left America literally caught with her pants down on 9/ll - our military had been downsized to fund the surplus, and not prepared to defend us. The economic crisis is hurting us all, that's a given, but Mr. Obama is not the one I trust to help us through these hard times, and he's certainly not my idea of a fit Commander and Cheif of the U.S. Military. I hope these people who enjoy the feel good rhetoric that Obama is putting out there realize that - in the end, "feel-good" has a price - extra marital sex, drugs and alcohol, and Obama - they all have a price that no one wants to pay. I don't want that price to be my freedom, my liberty, or my families security. God Bless you all, and please pray for our country, regardless of who wins the election.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmGee, and I wonder what McCain's heritage is? McCain ...... Spanish, no ....... Italian, no ...........
HMMMMMM
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmThis should go over well with the Hispanic vote.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pmtokin; just go away.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pmImagine if this gem had been uttered by Sen. Obama.
The Reich would be having apoplectic fits, and yet, they'll still try to McSpin this too.
My brain hurts.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pmmagnolia mom,
So, how has the past 7 1/2 years been working out for you?
You be liking that little excursion into Iraq? Was one of the 4,160+ dead one of your kids? Got any more countries we should invade because of their lack of involvement in 9/11?
Want a few more trillion of your and my grandkids' future debt to be spent on the rich on Wall Street?
Want you some more religion injected into our Government? Want more of your freedom taken away?
Just some points to ponder.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pmmagnolia mom Says:
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I watched both candidates speeches today. . . . - in the end, “feel-good” has a price - extra marital sex, drugs and alcohol, and Obama - they all have a price that no one wants to pay. I don’t want that price to be my freedom, my liberty, or my families security. God Bless you all, and please pray for our country, regardless of who wins the election.
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ummmm, you might want to speak to your candidate about the extra-marital sex and alcohol concerns you have; then, ask yourself about the dire economic concerns facing the country now as a result of Republican "feel-good" money-fun.
We're all going to pay for that -- with our freedom, liberty and families' security.
You're betting on the wrong crew to save you; they're the ones who got us into this mess and don't want to face the consequences.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 pmBarracks9, do you mean epileptic?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pmI haven't said which candidate has my vote. I'm voicing my concerns about the two speeches and the speakers. I'm sorry that you can't understand that my concerns aren't about alcohol and sex. Read the entire post and try not to nit-pick what I said and spin it your own way, ok? We're all wanting an improved America, and I'm not looking to argue with you over the wording of my statement.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pmAnother bad day for people of color and the working people of America in general.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pmIt certainly sounds like Rove to me. Is this statement scripted strictly for the talking heads? It's guaranteed to consume a week or two of this campaign season.
But there is no excuse for a man who claims to understand the problems of working people and has been in the military to speak in such terms.
Bigotry abounds in McCain's America.
magnolia mom Says:
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Barracks9, do you mean epileptic?
Try this, magnolia mom: look up "apoplexy" in the dictionary.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pmmagnolia mom Says:
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Here's a taste of the promise of McCain.
Attached to that link is a long list of problems with McCain. Obama isn't perfect, but try to actually look at their records -- if you love Bush, you'll REALLY love McCain.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pmWe all know the answer to this one: Of course he does, in concept anyway, that is to say he metaphorically supports amnesty for the psychological impact it would have for Hispanics and Latinos.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 pmmagnolia mom Says:
Barracks9, do you mean epileptic?
No, you stupid git. Apoplectic. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. Look it up - wait, here's Merriam-Webster's for you:
Main Entry: ap·o·plec·tic
Pronunciation: \?a-p?-?plek-tik\
Function: adjective
1: of, relating to, or causing stroke
2: affected with, inclined to, or showing symptoms of stroke
3: of a kind to cause or apparently cause stroke ; also : greatly excited or angered
Get a freaking clue.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:19 pmmagnolia mom Says:
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I haven’t said which candidate has my vote. I’m voicing my concerns about the two speeches and the speakers. I’m sorry that you can’t understand that my concerns aren’t about alcohol and sex. Read the entire post and try not to nit-pick what I said and spin it your own way, ok? We’re all wanting an improved America, and I’m not looking to argue with you over the wording of my statement.
All we've got as a foundation for others' opinions are their words -- thoughts put into language. I read your entire post, and I responded -- with words.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pmAnd if there were flashing lights involved (think Andromeda Strain), I would have used "epileptic".
I repeat...Git.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pmThe Clinton surplus was responsible for 9/11??
Wow
I mean...
Wow
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:22 pmbarracks9 Says:
And if there were flashing lights involved (think Andromeda Strain), I would have used “epileptic”.
I repeat…Git.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
**snort**
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:23 pmYou are a first class idiot! Though I am not calling you an idiot.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:25 pmWell Chicago is full of former IRA members. You know, "terrorists". These people deserve amnesty more than people who didn't HAVE to flee their countries?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pmNo he meant apoplectic just like he typed. There seems to be much you don't know so we're not surprised. But as the typical Republican it only matters if it's about YOU right?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pmYOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pmIf this is the nice group of people who are looking to change America for the better with Obama, maybe you just made up my mind for me...McCain looks better with each post I read here.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pmSounds like another race card to me!
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 pmOf course McCain is for amnesty of all illegals today. He just found out he owns 13 cars and he certainly isn't going to pay Americans to wash them.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 pmmagnolia mom Says:
I haven’t said which candidate has my vote. I’m voicing my concerns about the two speeches and the speakers.
Uh Huh, I am sure you are still ‘up in the air’ about your choice.
Nice try, your post says it all; you have swallowed the Repug spunk, whole hog!
The sure bet would be that you are an evangelical christian, white, registered Repug, gave money to the McCain or Romney or Huckleberry campaigns, are a member of NRA and watch Reality shows and Pro Wrestling.
Hit any hot spots?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 pmSatirev, instead of being argumentative, give me a reason to feel secure with Obama as Commander of the armed forces. What background does he have that makes him ready for that part of the job he's applying for?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pmupside99, no I'm not an NRA member, I've never donated to any political campaign, and I'm a proud member of a minority group. Now, instead of criticizing me, give me a reason to look more seriously at Obama???
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:34 pmoh, and I don't watch wrestling or reality tv. I read books and such things that exercise my brain power instead of watching tv.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:35 pmWe USED to be nice. Before you idiots voted for that retard twice and destroyed our country. Don't go away mad, just go away.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmok, i give...what's a troll? and how do you hijack a thread? this is my first time here
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmI'm sincere, and I'm sorry that you people can't see that.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmWell, gosh, Magnolia Mom, if we're not supposed to argue over "the wording of [your] statement," then don't judge anyone based on the wording of their response to the wording of your statement.
Instead, just look at the truth: The Bush Administration has lied us into a war for which we likely will never become un-indebted; now, 4,000-plus dead Americans and we-don't-even-have-a-clue-how-many dead Iraq citizens later, the same folks want us to further in-debt ourselves to make up for the nonsense they've been pulling with "the books."
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmThe troll is so convincingly ignorant it's hard to tell whether it's a good actor or just that dim.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmFirst explain to me how the bipartisen and long standing base closure situation is somehow Clinton's fault.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmPatty, war is good for this one because her family made more money. DOH. You're trying to speak logic to it.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pmHe is for amnesty for rich, white, fatcat bankers too.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmI'm against the war. I have relatives serving there. I'm neither ignorant nor dim, just learning to use these sites. I'm afraid of another 9/11. I want to know that whoever is elected can lead our armed forces to protect us here at home. Could someone put out some useful information, or is this a "trash the undecided voter" site?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmActually he would after the borders are secured.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:41 pmHe and Sen Hagel of Nebraska tried to pass a law given Hispanics a way to stay in the USA and work. Unfortunately, congress nixed it.
Thanks, Shayne -- must be the president's declaration of no "punitive" damages that's got me going today.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:42 pmok, i'm leaving - not leaving mad, just leaving - frustrated and disinfranchised. I thought I could get some answers here, as opposed to just listening to all my republican family members, but I see that you guys would prefer to send the undecided vote to McCain. Sorry to have upset everyone so badly. I'll pray for each of you and I hope that you will, as I said before, pray for this country regardless of who wins. We are one nation afterall, and we have to share the same soil regardless of which side wins.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pmmagnolia mom Says:
I’m against the war. I have relatives serving there. I’m neither ignorant nor dim, just learning to use these sites. I’m afraid of another 9/11.
Yea, right. And since McDepends is so pro-Iraq invasion, how does that make you feel safer when he makes ANOTHER bad military decision?
But go back to your blind views, listen to more limpballs and hannitee-hee and billo. They sre have all the 'right' answers, don't they?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pmJohn McCain has learned to use the "inter tubes" here's the proof:
magnolia mom Says:
ok, i give…what’s a troll? and how do you hijack a thread? this is my first time here
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magnolia mom Says:
I’m sincere, and I’m sorry that you people can’t see that.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
magnolia mom Says:
I’m against the war. I have relatives serving there. I’m neither ignorant nor dim, just learning to use these sites. I’m afraid of another 9/11. I want to know that whoever is elected can lead our armed forces to protect us here at home. Could someone put out some useful information, or is this a “trash the undecided voter” site?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pmmagnolia mom Says
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I watched both candidates speeches today. McCain promised to make a way for illegal immigrants in this country to attain citizenship legally, while in the meantime allowing temporary work visas. This was for ALL illegals, not just Irish immigrants nor just “brown” people. On the other hand, while watching Mr. Obama speak, I was repeatedly concerned with the idea that his only plan for the presidency is to proceed with whatever McCain is against. He talked alot about the Clinton administration also. Mr. Obama made the statement that the average family income under Clinton was much higher than it is now. I’m not sure who he calls average, but under Clinton, my family came very close to losing its income completely, since that income was associated with a government contract on a military base that he was closing in order to create a surplus that left America literally caught with her pants down on 9/ll - our military had been downsized to fund the surplus, and not prepared to defend us. The economic crisis is hurting us all, that’s a given, but Mr. Obama is not the one I trust to help us through these hard times, and he’s certainly not my idea of a fit Commander and Cheif of the U.S. Military. I hope these people who enjoy the feel good rhetoric that Obama is putting out there realize that - in the end, “feel-good” has a price - extra marital sex, drugs and alcohol, and Obama - they all have a price that no one wants to pay. I don’t want that price to be my freedom, my liberty, or my families security. God Bless you all, and please pray for our country, regardless of who wins the election.
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I thank you for expressing your views respectfully and without vitriol. That's refreshing, and I enjoyed reading your post. I'd like to respond to a few of your points, and I hope I do it with as much courtesy as you have shown.
First, I didn't see anybody's speech today, so you have a bit of an advantage. I can say that I have heard many speeches from both McCain and Obama, and I have never gotten the impression that Obama's "plan for the presidency is to proceed with whatever McCain is against". Obama formulated several plans quite some time ago, which have been available on his website in a handy PDF format for many months now. Some of these positions were even issues where he and McCain were originally in agreement (such as environmental issues), but McCain has changed his position since then. It's hard to believe Obama is playing the reactive role when he's been the one to stay true to his positions.
Second, I'm sorry that you fell on financial hard times during the Clinton years due to the loss of a government contract upon which you were financially dependent. We hear a great deal about "wasteful Washington spending" and many politicians promise they will do something about it. People tend to forget that most of the dollars our government spends winds up being somebody's livelihood, and when that spending is cut, people are out of jobs. However, the closing of military bases has been going on since the Reagan administration and the winding down of the Cold War, so it wasn't some new brainstorm of the Clinton administration. Furthermore, the balancing of the budget and creating a surplus did not happen solely because of base closings -- there were a number of factors at work, and that was one of them.
Third, on 9/11, we still had by far the strongest and mightiest military in the world -- far from being "caught with our pants down". But I fail to see how our military could have stopped the tragedy that occured that day, no matter how many military bases we had. It's true that since then we have been having difficulty meeting our recruiting goals to find and train enough soldiers to fight the wars we've gotten ourselves into, but this appears to be a problem with too few bodies, not too few bases (and I'll withhold comment on the wisdom of invading countries who had nothing to do with 9/11).
And fourth -- I never equated Obama's message of hope and optimism with extramarital sex, drugs, and alcohol -- nor have I heard that from anyone else until your post. I seem to recall another candidate some years ago who campaigned on a message of hope and optimism ("feel-good" rhetoric), and I didn't equate his message with extramarital sex, drugs, and alcohol, either. That candidate's name was Ronald Reagan.
God bless you, too -- and I agree that our country needs prayers regardless of who wins the election.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pmJust read magnolia mom's posts.
No doubt about it, a troll...
"We almost lost everything due to Clinton" and that why "we weren't prepared for 9/11"???
Gee, I guess Botch ignoring that security memo about Bin Ladin determined to attack inside US had NOTHING to do w/ it, huh Mom?
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmWe are one nation afterall, and we have to share the same soil regardless of which side wins.
How sweet.
And how insincere...
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmIf McCain went to Burger King and they told him he could have it his way, "He'd never be able to order!"
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pmMagnolia Mom:
It was Clinton's army that bush sent into Afghanistan. It was the same size, with the same training. Those troops did pretty well, until they were pulled out to attack a country that had nothing to do with our national security.
Obama is going to get us out of Iraq as soon as it's safe, with the safety of those troops as the top consideration. He wants to go after bin laden where ever he is, with whatever means are necesarry. mccain has critized this plan. Mccain says he will follow bin laden to the gates of hell, but he will not go into pakistan if that's where bin laden is. You figure out that one.
Mccain is for, and has been for, the kinds of practices that have have destroyed our finacial markets and the housing market. Rick Davis, his chief aide, made over 2 milllion dollars as a lobbyist for fannie mae and freddie mac. His chief financial advisor, phill gramm, pushed through the deregulation in congress that has directly led to the lending problems that have screwed up the housing markets and put millions of americans out of their homes. He also was a VP for USB, a swiss bank that is up to its neck in the current financial crisis.
Joe Biden is a centrist senator who has a lengthy record of service in the senate, has solid foriegn policy experience, has his own problems with the financial sector (many credit card companies are based in his home town and he supported the bankruptcy bill) but no is is perfect.
Sarah Palin has been proven to be a liar. Her claims of being against earmarks is laughable. As mayor of a town of 5000 she hired a lobbyist who brought her town 27 million dollars in earmarks. As gov of alaska, she brought in $1.87 for every dollar in taxes her citizens paid. Where did that money come from? Your pockets, my pockets, everyone else's pockets, that's where.
Mccain is touting her experience as mayor of that little town and as gov, when, back in Feb at a debate in new hampshire, he claimed that rudy's experience as mayor of NYC and romney's experience as gov of Mass, did qualify them to be president.
At some point, the daily dishonesty of the mccain campaign should mean something to a thoughtful person such as yourself. think about it. How can you trust mccain on anything? He abandoned his first family, he let bush crap on his second family and then kissed his ass. Why do you think he cares about your family?
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pmMiss Molly, thank you so much. I will research the things that you mentioned here. I've been attempting to find a calm intelligent conversation since I left here a few minutes ago, but it seems that every site I go to already has hateful and hurtful arguments ongoing. Is this what we've come to? really? Aren't we all supposed to be Americans? I'm glad you were nice. I really do appreciate it. All I meant by the comment on sex and drugs is that anytime we act on just feel good, and without brainpower or substance to our acts, we end up paying a less than pretty price. Hangovers and std's for example. I was looking for substance, and you gave me a little something to look into anyway. I'm sorry that we can't have more calm political discussions without all the hatefullness I've felt here today. God Bless you and thank you again.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pmMagnoliaMom, answer us this: Just how will McCain keep you safe vs. Obama? McCain has already said he thinks bombing Iran is a good idea. The Republican's answer to everything is to go to war with a military they've overextended and broken, making us LESS safe, not more. And FYI, base closures did not enable the 9/11 attacks. The military can do nothing to prevent terrorism. Hence the newest bombings in Yemen and Pakistan.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pmmissmolly - I knew that if anyone could find it in them it would be you so nice try! I applaud your ability to give benefit of the doubt.
I, on the other hand, tend to agree with Shayne. As in I, "USED to be nice. Before you idiots voted for that retard twice and destroyed our country."
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pmDoes McCain support making all 9.36 million Hispanic immigrants citizens as well?
No. They're not white. And while we're at it, the "black sort of Irish" need not apply either....
Cheers,
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:07 pmmagnolia mom, have you ever seen the bumper sticker that says something to the effect, "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"? We've been paying attention for long enough to be plenty outraged.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 pmmagnolia mom Says:
Miss Molly, thank you so much. I will research the things that you mentioned here. I’ve been attempting to find a calm intelligent conversation since I left here a few minutes ago, but it seems that every site I go to already has hateful and hurtful arguments ongoing. Is this what we’ve come to? really? Aren’t we all supposed to be Americans?
Miss Molly is one of the most thoughtful, gentle posters you'll find here. You are right to thank her. As for the rest of us, and your query about what we've become as a nation, reflect back on what the republicans did to john kerry last time out. They smeared his military record, attacked his wife, mocked the purple hearts he earned in Vietnam, all in support of a deserter and a draft dodger.
We tried to be nice in the face of nastyness and all it got us was losing elections, and our country. We're not going to take it anymore. the only way to defeat a bully is to kick his ass. the republican party is a bully.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pmIs this what we’ve come to? really? Aren’t we all supposed to be Americans?
Did you ask this question during the republican convention when mccain's surragates were belittling community organizers? Did you ask that when new orleans was drowning? Did you ask that when bush was shredding the constitution?
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pmmagnolia mom Says: that it is not well informed at all, about anything...LIV
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 pmBobwurst says:
As for the rest of us, and your query about what we’ve become as a nation, reflect back on what the republicans did to john kerry last time out. They smeared his military record, attacked his wife, mocked the purple hearts he earned in Vietnam, all in support of a deserter and a draft dodger.
We tried to be nice in the face of nastyness and all it got us was losing elections, and our country. We’re not going to take it anymore. the only way to defeat a bully is to kick his ass. the republican party is a bully.
I had to repost that! Thank you Bobwurst!
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:27 pmMagnoliaMom said: "in the end, “feel-good” has a price - extra marital sex, drugs and alcohol,"
True, McCain does have more experience with all those. Cheated on first wife? Check. 2nd wife: addiction problems? Check.
Sorry, I would rather have someone that had the intelligence and drive to graduate with honors from Harvard at the controls vs. someone who graduated 894 out of 899 (and only didn't get kicked out because of his daddy/family) from the Naval Academy, at the helm of this country. I would rather have someone who was NOT one of the Keating 5 and did not support complete deregulation of the financial industry at the helm to guide us out of the economic mess we are now in.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:30 pmand I’m not looking to argue with you over the wording of my statement.
You're a right-wingnut by the very nature of your hypocrisy. Your post prior to this nugget was nit-picking ONE word (apoplexy) used by another commenter which you alone failed to know the meaning of.
Pity those who paint their glass houses opaque yet continue to throw stones...
BE GONE. "We're" better off without the easily brainwashed, wishy-washy types you GOPers love to recruit.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmI keep coming back to this site to see if Miss Molly might still be posting. Do you people realize that you are talking to an 18 year old who has never voted before? If all democrats are as hateful as ya'll have been to me (with Molly as the exception), I will vote republican on principle. By the way, post 23 was not meant to sound sarcastic, it was a question. sorry everyone here has taken me the wrong way today.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:37 pm"Is this what we’ve come to? really? Aren’t we all supposed to be Americans?"
Are we including all Americans like those in all of the Americas?
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:39 pmMaybe McDrain's plan is to let the economy to totally tank to the point that Americans will actually want to do the tasks that the illegal immigrants are doing now and then miraculously no more immigration problem.
Either that or just pure political pandering.
What a twit.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 pmMagnoliaMom says:"Do you people realize that you are talking to an 18 year old who has never voted before?"
Sorry, unlike John McCain, we don't have super powers and cannot read minds. Vote for who you think will do a better job. But John McCain's policies will be an anchor to your generation for the rest of your lives.
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pmmagnolia mom Says:
I keep coming back to this site to see if Miss Molly might still be posting. Do you people realize that you are talking to an 18 year old who has never voted before? If all democrats are as hateful as ya’ll have been to me (with Molly as the exception), I will vote republican on principle. By the way, post 23 was not meant to sound sarcastic, it was a question. sorry everyone here has taken me the wrong way today.
First off, try posting a liberal take at Redstate or little green footballs.
Second off, I've posted two serious responses to you that you've ignored. If you want to be taken seriously try responding seriously rather than whining. If you're 18 then you're old enough to stand on your thoughts, not your age.
Third off, if you're 18 now, then you were 10 on the last day of the Clinton presidency. that means you were younger when the base closings under his stewardship occured. Your post reads like you were working in your family business. If that's not the case you should be clearer with your posts. If you were working then you've lost a lot of cred here.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pmmagnolia mom:
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:18 pmMy apologies. Your age would explain why you mistakenly thought base closures was somehow the fault of Bill Clinton.
Which principle will it be that you base your vote on?
magnolia mom, if you're really 18, why are you magnolia mom? I'm Bobwurst because I like brats and beer. Most moms are older than 18.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pmmagnolia mom Says:
this is my first time here
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
That's a bald-faced lie. I've seen you here before.
Dismissed.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pmBuckie Boy Says
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
magnolia mom Says: that it is not well informed at all, about anything…LIV
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Now, now -- it's true that "magnolia mom" could be somebody like Mr. P doing a magnificent piece of performance art and laughing his head off. If that's the case, let him -- if he doesn't have a life, that's not my problem.
But "magnolia mom" could be exactly who she claims to be -- an 18 year old new voter who has been influenced by Republicans all her life. And if that's the case, we should applaud her trying to get as much insight and information as she can prior to her first vote, instead of bashing her over the head.
I recommend that any new voter check out both candidates' websites -- the "issues" section -- and compare the candidates' positions:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
Then I recommend going to neutral sites with information, such as the League of Women Voters guide:
http://www.lwv.org/AM/Template.cfm?Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=12078
And because candidates tend to stretch the truth (OK, some blatantly lie), go to FactCheck from time to time:
http://www.factcheck.org/
(please know that even the stuff here tends to get spun once in awhile, but it's generally not skewed to any one party).
After getting up to speed on neutral information, check out more partisan sources. And don't forget to watch the debates.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pmBobwurst Says:
magnolia mom, if you’re really 18, why are you magnolia mom? I’m Bobwurst because I like brats and beer. Most moms are older than 18.
Unless they are Sarahcuda's kids.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 pmI'm pretty sure I've seen "her" here before too Zooey.
See ya!
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmZoo,
Like you, me thinks mag mom is a lying troll. Not sure which one, but I am sure it is one we have seen before under a different name/names.
I find the "I am 18 and a mom" act kinda weak, don't you?
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pmIt matters little, I say just engage all with logical arguments supported by data and consistency of thought
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pmIf magnolia mom decides to come back for some voting advice I'll try to be nice for missmolly but I hope magnolia mom sticks to the thread topic next time and holds off on the religious references.
Because if there is a God, I doubt he/she cares if we're American or not.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pmThanks Magmom! If people here didn't feel adamant about voting and getting others to vote, before your post, they sure do now!!
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pmGreat. McCain is letting 50,000 drunks out of jail and on to our streets. That's amnesty we can drink to.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pmback on topic, you'd think that if mccain is going for the catholic vote he'd think about all the catholic hispanics there are. Just sayin.
Personally, I think he's not going for the "irish catholic" vote, he's going for the "south boston-throw bricks at the schoolbus" vote...
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pmBobwurst Says:
Personally, I think he’s not going for the “irish catholic” vote, he’s going for the “south boston-throw bricks at the schoolbus” vote…
Like I said earlier, this was in Pennsylvania. He's shooting for the White "Democrats" who really don't want the darkies moving into the neighborhood.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pmdarkies? It must have been PA. The olny time I ever heard that expression uttered outloud was by residents of Philly
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pmmagnolia mom Says:
If all democrats are as hateful as ya’ll have been to me (with Molly as the exception), I will vote republican on principle.
This does not sound like an 18 year old... maybe 8.
But if by chance you are of voting age, please check out the issues and vote in your and your children's best interest.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 pm@16 - magnolia momsaid:
"… under Clinton, my family came very close to losing its income completely, since that income was associated with a government contract on a military base that he was closing in order to create a surplus that left America literally caught with her pants down on 9/ll - our military had been downsized to fund the surplus, and not prepared to defend us."
Nice human twist, but unfortunately for you, patently FALSE. Base closings were mandated over decades by the various Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commissions, commonly referred to as the BRAC commissions. The nominees for closure as outlined in their final reports were mandated to be closed when each report became law, if not rejected in their entirety by the President. Each President—Bush, Clinton and then another Bush—struggled with this issue. Your base was unfortunately selected during the Clinton administration, but could have been during the occupation of the White House by either Bush.
President Clinton, his Secretary of Defense and other members of his administration had NOTHING more to do with this than either the present President Bush or his father, or any members of their respective administrations. ALL three must be held blameless for these outcomes.
If you want to blame someone, loft the ball at President Reagan, as he led the effort to create an expansion of forces which was unsustainable, when coupled by his economic policies and tax reduction strategies. Even the first Bush administration was saddled by this albatross!
Grow up, get your facts straight, and quit blaming Clinton. Your claims are utterly without merit. I know, as a well informed citizen and longtime member of the US Army.
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 pmgo easy 104:
September 22nd, 2008 at 5:44 pmIt is a teenage mom who wasn't even alive back then from what has been claimed...
I read this thread with horror when I got home today. I am a fervent Obama supporter and love coming to Think Progress.
However, I felt I was reading FoxNews.com in some alternate reality. Magnolia mom may have been less than clear in what she was seeking in her original post. That led to a flood of name calling, verbal assaults, and failure to listen to her. When she made it obvious she was searching for information to make up her mind all of you doubled your efforts to belittle her. How will we convince others we are truly different than the right when we act just like Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis did today when called out (again) on the carpet for Davis' lobbying?
magnolia mom, I applaud your wish to think for yourself and not immediately follow your family's political views without deciding for yourself that they are your views. Please make sure that the candidate you vote for is your candidate be it Obama, McCain, or one of the innumerable third party candidates. Voting is one of our precious rights in this country. I would recommend that you research missmolly's thoughts and consider them and then research and consider the thoughts your family has given you.
missmolly, thank you for being a voice of reason on the board and responding to magnolia mom's questions.
One other thing, as far as I can tell, magnolia mom has never before posted. While we can clearly see all of BobWurst's posts.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:07 pmYeah, there's a real responsible way to exercise your right to vote; base it on which side is more polite on the blogs.
That's waaaaaay more important than the actual integrity, veracity and philosophy of either candidate.
September 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 pmlighten up my llama friend it's just a kid with a kid. Well least that's the storyline...
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 pmso what's your point habereet? I was actually rather civil with teenmom/buisnesswoman/christian.
September 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 pmThat wasn't a shot at you Bobwurst. It was a response to the people who claimed that they remembered her posting here before. I used your screen name because it caught my eye; I laughed when you explained your name and it stuck in my head. It was easy to do a full page search for 'brats' to get your ID for the google search.
I wasn't attempting to single you out but, rather, show that Google has no records of her screen name on this site (they'll show up tomorrow I'd guess) and someone who has been active on the site will show up in a search.
I certainly didn't mean to say you attacked her.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmThe conclusion of Magnolia Mom's initial posting: The economic crisis is hurting us all, that’s a given, but Mr. Obama is not the one I trust to help us through these hard times, and he’s certainly not my idea of a fit Commander and Cheif of the U.S. Military. I hope these people who enjoy the feel good rhetoric that Obama is putting out there realize that - in the end, “feel-good” has a price - extra marital sex, drugs and alcohol, and Obama - they all have a price that no one wants to pay. I don’t want that price to be my freedom, my liberty, or my families security. God Bless you all, and please pray for our country, regardless of who wins the election.
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I can only speak/write for myself, but even in re-reading this post several hours later, I do not find a request for input. I find someone opposed to Obama as our next president. Magnolia Mom raised no such reservations about Sen. McCain.
I responded to the specifics Magnolia Mom raised in this conclusion; then she wrote, "I’m not looking to argue with you over the wording of my statement."
Just as with the specific of her not knowing the word "apoplectic" (which is not an issue; the assumption that the writer was wrong and she was right is the issue), her general contention that everybody is misunderstanding stemmed from several voices taking her to task for her approach.
With the understanding that Magnolia Mom may be 18, I'll be firm enough -- as I have been with the three of my four children who've already crossed that age bar -- to remind her that when everyone else agrees that you've said or done something in a particular way, odds are you've got either some aplogizing to do, some behavior/tone modification to tackle, or both. Typically, "they're" not all wrong.
That said, it would be wonderful for Magnolia Mom to join the discussion frequently; I apologize for not making that clear earlier. I learn every day from the topics covered and the responses, whether I agree or don't.
September 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmPlease people. With all respects to all and especially a young lady who is but a child herself struggling with so many adult responsibilities and still taking pride in her new found suffrage. Magical.... It writes itself...
September 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm