Limbaugh lies about Obama’s ethnicity: ‘He’s Arab.’
Limbaugh lies about Obama’s ethnicity: ‘He’s Arab.’
Despite previously claiming that Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) “only chance of winning is that he’s black,” right-wing talker Rush Limbaugh claimed yesterday that Obama is misrepresenting his ethnic background. “These polls on how one-third of blue-collar white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he’s black, and — but he’s not black,” asserted Limbaugh. Instead, Limbaugh declared, “He’s Arab“:
LIMBAUGH: But he’s not black. Do you know he has not one shred of African-American blood? He doesn’t have any African — that’s why when they asked whether he was authentic, whether he’s down for the struggle. He’s Arab. You know, he’s from Africa. He’s from Arab parts of Africa. He’s not — his father was — he’s not African-American. The last thing that he is is African-American.
Watch it:
Matt Yglesias notes that “Obama’s father was, for the record, from Kenya which is not an Arab part of Africa.”
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So shouldn't that make Obama an instant expert on the Middle East?
Or does that make Sarah Palin a communist because she can see Russia from the Aleutians?
I'm confused.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am.
R E M E M B E R:
“R” is for:
Rush Limpballs
Racist
Republican
Regressive
Radical
Rx addiction
Raping little children in far off lands
Oh, and don’t forget… liaR
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September 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 amSo Limprod is back on Oxycontin. Big deal. Nothing to see here people.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 am.
It used to be 26% that believed him...
... But after yesterday's poll, like other things of Rush's, it's seems to have shrunk.
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 amWho sponsors this ugly-lying-weeping-cyst-onthebutt-pond-scum?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 amP.S. Rush. Go visit Kenya. You will find that it is not one of the "Arab parts of Africa." Idiot.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 am"Kenya, Kansas, it's all Arabic to me!"
Yes, Rush, we already know you're a racist idiot. Now go stuff your pockets with Viagra and Oxy and leave the rest of us alone.
PEACE
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 amWhat I have learned in my 60 years and paying attention to politics since Goldwater/Johnson is that while polls (especially trends) give you some insight into what is going on in a political race, what never lies, are what the mouth pieces for the campaigns say and do. Listening to the Limbaughs, etc. and one thing is clear, they are desperate. This race is MUCH worse for McCain than we think. And they will get more desperate as we get closer to the election if it doesn't improve for McCain. Fortunately, they have yet to understand that via the Internet, etc. people get information much more quickly than ever before.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:21 amUmmm , Fat Bastard ; there's only 1 true Arab nation in Africa , and that's Sudan..........
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 amI believe it's known as desperation. I bet people are tuned into the Senate Banking Committee hearing and not George W.'s UN speech or either political candidate's stump speeches.
People are mad, Rush. But they're pissed at the NY big money boys and the facilitating Bush administration. George W. expanded the troubled asset buyback to credit card debt and car loans. They only buy from firms holding the distressed financial instruments. Disaster capitalism at its finest...
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 amsatirev Says:
It makes each of us “immediate experts” because if we live on any coast, we can probably see another country on a clear day.
When I lived in Santa Barbara, I could see 20+ offshore oil rigs from the beach. And I got tar on my feet from the oil leakage while walking that beach.
I'm waiting on that call to be McStain's Energy Czar.
PEACE
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 amLet's see, there are numerous black Kenyan Jews. Why didn't Rush suggest Barack was one of them?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 amIf you look over at Media Matters, or at a similar thread at The American Prospect, you'll find common responses from the Limbot dittoheads.
On one hand, they claim that Rushbo's comment is just satire, and hey, you liberals have no sense of humor and you're panicked! On the other hand, they claim that any attention to Rushbo's comment just proves that liberals are obsessed with race and that the Obama campaign is using "race-baiting commercials." WTF?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 amAnd tomorrow the Wall Street Journal will give Rush space for an editorial on how he was misquoted and taken out of context.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 amRush was just flustered. He hasn't seen his pre-teen Dominican hooker in too long and it's getting to him.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am.
Dear Rush,
When one is short on hair, it is best to not split them so wastefully...
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 amA modest proposal:
I suggest we add a $1 billion amendment to the bail-out bill -- entitled "The Right-Wing Rant-Radio Clean-up Act of 2008".
This would us, as the American taxpayers, to buy out Limpballs', Insanity's and Weiner-Nation's radio contracts and impose the following conditions upon them:
1. they will relinquish their homes, cars, Cuban cigars and all other possessions in return for the cash payments
2. they will relocate to Baghdad, Iraq, and become FoxSnooze "contributors" reporting on the peace and calm in their neighborhoods
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 amOh geez -- Limbaugh is either an idiot, or assumes everybody in his audience is.
Is his grasp on geography so incredibly poor that he doesn't know that the "Arab" parts of the continent are the parts where Arabic is spoken (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt)? Kenya is a rather long way from that area. Or is he merely confusing "Arab" with "Muslim"? He should know there are more non-Arab Muslims in the world than Arab ones, and quite a few are indeed black.
The "Obama isn't black" angle is a new one, I must admit. I don't know what Limbaugh was hoping to accomplish with this -- an attempt to turn black voters away from Obama by claiming he's not "one of them"? I doubt many African-Americans listen to Limbaugh's show, so that doesn't really make sense. I suspect it's just more conflation on his part to perpetuate the myth that Obama is a secret Muslim, and he's now attempting to ramp that meme up by painting him as a scary Arab instead of a scary black man.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 amReminds me of that joke shortly after 911 by some black comedian - "Arab is the new Black"
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 amThis dirt bag isn't worth our time to post a comment....Blessings
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 amI somehow doubt Rush was referring to the less than 1% of the Kenyan population composed of Arab expats.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 amLimpball's comment's arn't worth our time to comment on.....Blessings
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 amIt would be news if Limbaugh told the truth about something, not that he lied. His job is to lie about and/or spin everything that is inconvenient for his Conservative pay masters.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 amAh, I stand corrected, the African Jews are from Ethiopia.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 am.
gummitch,
Of course, It's not race baiting when it's done by Republicans...
... NO?
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 amSorry for 2 similar post's, the old Mac and I are having melt down on the site today....Blessings
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 amI find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won't vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 amAfter months and months of hard sell,but with no luck, by Limbaugh and company that
Obama is a Moslem...
He's a Moslem
Now Limbaugh is trying
He is an Arab
He is an Arab
African Kenyans are not Arabs, but:
Moroccans,Algerians,Tunsians,Libyans,Egyptians,Sudanese(Not All) are Arabs.
So, what if a candidate was an American from an Arab origin,or also he follows a Moslem faith? !!
I did not see anything in the Constitution classifies religion of a candidate or his ethnic roots as a criteria for his acceptance.
Limbuagh again is playing the 'fear card'.
It was proven without any doubt that Obama is not a Moslem,and Obama for sure is not an Arab.
Moslems are not shy to tell you they are Moslems..and a Moslem does not deny that he is a Moslem.
Case closed.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Is his grasp on geography so incredibly poor that he doesn’t know that the “Arab” parts of the continent are the parts where Arabic is spoken (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt)?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 am
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And many Arabs from the Levant and the Gulf would be hard-pressed to describe the colloquial language spoken by Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians as Arabic. The pronunciation is vastly different, the verb conjugation follows patterns unique to the Maghreb, and the vocabulary borrows numerous words from indigenous Tamazight (Berber) dialects. In the words of one of my Jordanian friends, it's more Chthulu than Arabic.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 amLimbaugh and Hannity will always preface their lies with:
"You won't hear this in the Liberal Press"
No wonder.
¶ AIO
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am.
R E M E M B E R:
Rush is an EnteRtaineR...
... Because EnteRtaineRs need not be honest.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 amtarazan Says:
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September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
The ONLY nation in Africa considered an Arabic nation by Arabs is Sudan ..........
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 amtarazan Says:
So, what if a candidate was an American from an Arab origin,or also he follows a Moslem faith? !!
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
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It hasn't been an issue for Ralph Nader...
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 amI just don't know anymore...
He gets away with this. Everytime.
Every
Time
And he's still there.
There are people who will believe this.
There are people who will believe it because he said it.
Then, there are people who won't ever know it came from RL, but will hear it repeated from a friend, from a parent, from a coworker. Then they too will believe it.
I took Bill Moyer's poll last night on whether or not Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP. At the time I voted, the tally was 51% She IS qualified and 48% She is NOT qualified.
I use that as an example, coupled with this latest outrage from RL, to add weight to the following statement:
THERE IS NO HOPE.
AMERICA IS DOOMED.
OUR OWN STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE WILL CONDEMN US ALL.
There is no hope.
Sorry for the downer, but I just couldn't believe it when I saw that poll last night, and now this...
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 amTracy_Troll,
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 amI find it amazing that you propagate the notion...
This is nothing new for the rusher. Remember when he had to resign from ESPN for his inflammatory comments about Donovan McNabb being black so he gets slack from the press because they want a Black QB to do well?
This guy is a disgrace to all Americans and it is a sad statement about the LIV's who listen to this AssKlown every day.
He is just an entertainer and a lousy one.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 amMCMetal Says:
The ONLY nation in Africa considered an Arabic nation by Arabs is Sudan ……….
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 am
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If you mean sub-Saharan Africa, you may be correct. Though it'd be quite ironic, since the name means "The Blacks."
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 amThey rage against the 'liberal media', we should be raging against the 'libelous media' of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 amRush is a hateful man, along with being a stupid man. I cannot stand him. Oh, and did I mention he is a bigot?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 am"Do you know he has not one shred of African-American blood?"
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Um...what, exactly, is "African-American blood"? There's African genes, European genes, etc., but an "American" genetic pattern would be what one would inherit if descended from Native Americans.
It's true that Obama's father wasn't "African-American" if one interprets that to mean black Americans descended from African slaves who came here a couple of hundred years ago. Obama's father was African -- born and raised in Kenya. When an immigrant African person is considered an African-American person could be a subject for debate, I suppose.
But differentiating "African-American" blood and "African" blood (which Obama has) is just plain silly.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:41 amTracy__5 Says:
I find it more scary that all white Republicans (is there any other kind?) won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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fixed.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 amYou mean that you find it more scary that we will elect a black man in November.
When will you learn that you can't make things be facts by just sayin it.
flagged for flying the racist flag, again.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 amIt won't be long, now, until the 'race card' is going to be played in full.
All of the 'slips' and sly innuendo are in preparation for when they come full out and attack Obama's color.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 amsaitirev and scytheius...on polling
Dems outnumbered Repubs 3 or 4 to 1 in the caucuses and primaries--even the Dem losers usually beat the Repub winner by 50 to 100% in turnout.
Those people are all very likely voters.
That the polls reflect 5-point margins between McCain and Obama is ridiculous. The MSM refuses to consider these simple facts.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 amThe argument about 'what' Obama really is getting complicated and silly.
And that's really good. He's got dark skin. His father is from Africa. His mother is an Anglo. Is he Arab? Or Christian?
In the end, if you really care to try to classify Obama, it's very difficult and more and more ridiculous.
At some point, the question arises; 'What's the point'?
And that's where we need to be. Does it really matter what skin color? Does it really matter what gender? Does it matter the origin? Does it really matter what religion (assuming the religion isn't on the platform)?
Obama, Clinton, and Palin's presense in this campaign has created necessary debate about race, religion, and gender in politics.
I think it's a debate that we will be better off for having.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 amRumour has it that Limpballs is a hermaphrodite. Or was it that he often uses the business end of his colon as a vagina? I can't remember right now but that's not important. You guys should stop being so sexist in your attacks on poor Rush. I mean come on, he only recently discovered his feminine side and he's still experimenting with it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Um…what, exactly, is “African-American blood”? There’s African genes, European genes, etc., but an “American” genetic pattern would be what one would inherit if descended from Native Americans.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:41 am
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If one wanted to strictly interpret the term to mean "originating from members of West African tribes such as the Mande or Songhai or Peul or Ewe or Fulani who were brought to the US during the slave trade," then one could argue that someone with a background in East African Kenyan tribes is not African-American. There's also the cultural argument that to be "African-American" one must have a family background that has felt the effects of slavery and Jim Crow - there were some black scholars last year who did try to make this argument when Obama's candidacy was in its infancy.
But somehow I doubt Rush has the mental capacity to make such distinctions.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 amTracy__5 Says:
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I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
More scary than giving a manifestly unqualified moron the GOP VP slot based on gender/genitalia ?
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 amWoo Hoo, I LOVE IT ... The left & Obama are driving the right wingnuts CRAZY! Keep up the good work!
I would LUV to see Obama or MoveOn put up a web ad or a TV ad with a Limbaugh greatest hits from the campaign so far and then put up McCain's photo since Limbaugh is now ALL FOR getting McCain elected.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amThis is pretty transparent. Not content to disseminate the information to his listening audience that [Senator] Obama is 'not like you' because of his father's ethnicity, Limbaugh is desperately reaching to tie him to 'those [Arab] [Muslim] [whatever] terrorists who attacked us on 09/11…'
Fear of an imminent terrorist attack trumps fear of a black hat.
Never mind that the terrorists identified as the 9/11 attackers where primarily Saudi Arabian. That non-specific, 'Arab' label unfortunately sticks: it resonates with ill-informed, scared as-the-dickens voters.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 amAnd who listens to and believes this lard assed, drug addled, gas bag who takes viagra while pimping teenage whores in the Dominican Republic. This is the lowest form of scum this country has to offer and the sad thing is that we have people ignorant enough to listen to him. No wonder the nation elected a moron twice in the past eight years.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 amTracy__5 Says:
I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
Heh, and to think we've called Twacy a liar so many times before. Now he's not only a liar but he's pretending to be a concern troll. Desperate times call for whining and lying.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 amTracy_5:
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 amGo up one. I'm curious to read you thoughts ala Bush bailout...
backup Says:
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And that’s where we need to be. Does it really matter what skin color? Does it really matter what gender? Does it matter the origin? Does it really matter what religion (assuming the religion isn’t on the platform)?
Obama, Clinton, and Palin’s presense in this campaign has created necessary debate about race, religion, and gender in politics.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
To many Americans , who are low-info voters , it certainly does matter when you're talking about race , color , creed , gender.........
And Palin's presence in this presidential race doesn't present a gender issue , or any issue worth considering ; it showcases McDepends' lack of judgement , as she is manifestly unqualified to even run a hair salon , let alone the entire US..........
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 amTie limpdick to McSame. That will define the straight talkker.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Oh geez — Limbaugh is either an idiot, or assumes everybody in his audience is.
Yes to both. You have no idea how often I still hear Obama rhymes with Osama, so he is related to the terrorists! (Never mind that the names are from two entirely different languages.) Those idiots WILL believe that Kenya is an Arab country.
As Jon Stewart once quipped, if unrelated rhyming names prove guilt, then innocent Mr. Gaydolf Titler is gonna have a hard time running for office. LOL.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 amRush is black. Who cares.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 amoops make that up 2 Tracy_5...
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 ambackup Says:
What's complicated about it... he's over 35 years of age and natural born citizen.
I have to agree with you. Race, religion and sex have no bearings...
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September 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amTracy__5 Says
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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You're right -- bigotry does tend to be scary when you consider how pervasive and insidious it is. But the poll you are talking about, which I assume to be this one...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93AIV882&show_article=1
...merely states that one third of white people have negative views of blacks as a monolithic group. This doesn't necessarily mean their misgivings will influence their vote more than other factors (although for many it probably will).
Prejudice is a funny thing. People can paint an entire group of people with a tarred brush, but exempt certain exceptions as a "good" member of that group. For instance, many whites who see blacks as "lazy, violent, and responsible for their own troubles" will make exceptions for people like Colin Powell. Powell obviously doesn't fit this stereotype, so he becomes an exception so the stereotype itself can remain to apply to everyone else in the group.
Obama is seen as a "good" black to bigots who admit that he's not lazy, violent, or irresponsible. He doesn't live in a slum, speak fluent Ebonics, have cornrowed hair or exhibit any other characteristics that would enforce the stereotype (he DOES play basketball, though). I have heard several people who no doubt poll within the one third, who say "I never thought I could vote for a black man, but I like Obama -- he's different."
And then there are the people who will vote for a "scary black man" because their economic woes are such that the prospect of four more years of the same is even scarier.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amUnfortunately, WAY too many people do listen and then pass along the misinformation they've listened to to their friends, and so on. Like a virus.
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am#64 kasinca,
September 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 amAt McSames age, he's a limpdick too...
Tracy_5
Keating_5
McCain_0
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pmBuckarooBanzai Says:
kasinca Says:
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And who listens to and believes this lard assed, drug addled, gas bag
Unfortunately, WAY too many people do listen and then pass along the misinformation they’ve listened to to their friends, and so on. Like a virus.
And for this they are called 'Dittoheads'.
Who'da thunk??
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:01 pmtracy, backup...
nobody brings out
the racist trolls faster
than rush.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 12:04 pmRush is a cyst on America's collective ass...live a virus.
(thx, upside99)
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmbackup Says:
At some point, the question arises; ‘What’s the point’?
Obama, Clinton, and Palin’s presense in this campaign has created necessary debate about race, religion, and gender in politics.
I think it’s a debate that we will be better off for having.
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I have yet to see you engage in honest debate here. You ALWAYS come w/ a stalking horse and a hidden agenda.
Religion in politics? The Constitution is clear about that. NO state sponsored religions in the US. Sorry, Fundies...
Your comment here sounds way too much like a variation of "Who's on first?"
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmjoe cantwell -- I love you, man, I'm one of your biggest fans but I gotta call you on this.
I've never heard anything really racist from backup.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmEverybody's ancestors are from the Kenya area---some just left sooner than others. Why is Limbaugh allowed access to the public airwaves?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pmKeith Says:
Everybody’s ancestors are from the Kenya area—some just left sooner than others. Why is Limbaugh allowed access to the public airwaves?
Lucy? Is that you?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm"I find it amazing that you propagate the notion…"
The poll propagates the notion not me.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm#50
"Tracy__5 Says:
I find it more scary that all white Republicans (is there any other kind?) won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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fixed."
Any other kind? Can you be more ignorant?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm#51
"You mean that you find it more scary that we will elect a black man in November."
No, that 1/3 of white Democrats won't vote for Obama because he is black.
"When will you learn that you can’t make things be facts by just sayin it."
The poll said it not me.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmTracist, your contribution here is vivid evidence that joe cantwell could in fact be more ignorant.
He's waaaaaaaay behind you in that category. He can't even see your dust in that chase.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmBackup. debate would be nice.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pmBut debate is not what we're getting. Posting screeds on the Internet--or ranting away unimpeded at a protected microphone--is not debate.
And broaching 'facts' that are not facts is not debate--nor is disputing said 'facts'.
#57
"More scary than giving a manifestly unqualified moron the GOP VP slot based on gender/genitalia ?"
Not as scary as the Dems denying a more qualified woman and instead giving the position to another liberal moron.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm"Ay-rab. Af'ri'cun. What's the difference, they're both darkies...."
Cheers,
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pmIt's okay.
This fat bastard wouldn't even be where he is today without the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine and riding Morton Downey Jr.'s coattails, AFTER, of course, failing out of college and becoming a Top 40 DJ.
THESE ARE CREDENTIALS OF A BLOW-HARD, IDIOT, FCUKWIT, NOTHING ELSE, MOVE ALONG.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:44 pmIn looking at the ramping up of the 'black/Arab/exotic' rhetoric, I'm betting that the 'n' word will be flying out of rethug water carriers mouths by mid-October. Any takers?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:44 pmgummitch,
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pmIt's not Lucy, but one they named Eve. All other lines died out and only hers were left. Everyone is a descendant from her. If it were Lucy, she would have a lot of 'splainin' to do!
Tracist, could you please produce a link to this poll?
misshusseinmolly asked if you were referring to the Stanford University poll she linked to, and you ignored her.
If that is the poll you are using as the basis for your "fact", you are wildly mistaken.
In fact, the article missmolly linked to does not say that a third of white Democrats "won't vote for Obama because he is black". It says, if I can quote the article, "The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004—about 2.5 percentage points."
That's as close as it comes to estimating the actual mathematical impact of such an impulse. Nowhere does it say, as you claim, that "a third of white Democrats won't vote for Obama because he is black".
So please, either produce proof that your claim is accurate, or STFU.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pmTracy, the self-claimed "man" is back to earn more McBucks.
Your tampon fell out again, you're making a mess of yourself as usual.
STICK TO THE TOPIC SHIT FOR BRAINS.
Posting anything else just goes to prove what a stupid shithead you truly are.
Now go ahead and taunt us with your fake macho bravado.
You and your hero Shrub have SO much in common, it's almost cute.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmFascinating how, in defense of a reckless political stunt, tighty righties all of a sudden develop some compassion for poor, abused Hillary.
"the Dems denying a more qualified wmoan"?
Ever hear of teh democratic process, Tracist?
Y'know... voters, making their voices heard?
Why does Tracist hate Democracy?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:49 pmAs thinking, conscience-ridden citizens we ought to fire back with a great big, "SO,..??" Instead we allow this implicit ,racist meme to rest easy as a given in our public discourse. SO,..Arabs are bad,..? Muslims are bad?
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 pmOf COURSE Barack isnt Arab, or Muslim. But the - largely - unchallenged undercurrent of bigotry corrodes any claim remaining of American moral standing. As low information voters, we accept this bigotry into our own personal fabric, if we dont personally challenge it. Rush is a useful bigot in that he throws the darkest ,most vile inhumanities out into the public arena, for all to see. To not confront, and denounce them directly is to fail our country AND ourselves.
...that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he is black.
Since he is up by about 4% in the polls (all taken together), it must be impossible that he does not have 1/3rd the white Democratic vote.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pmTracy__5 Says:
Obama's black. You're an idiot.
I'm betting both things can be genetically proven.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm#61
"Heh, and to think we’ve called Twacy a liar so many times before."
And never been right once. BTW I didn't conduct the poll.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 pmRush...A LIAR....I am shocked....just shocked, I tell you.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
In fact, the article missmolly linked to does not say that a third of white Democrats “won’t vote for Obama because he is black”. It says, if I can quote the article, “The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004—about 2.5 percentage points.”
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
The other detail Tracy leaves out of the Stanford/AP/Yahoo poll is that white Republicans and white independents are 10-15% less likely to use positive adjectives to describe blacks, and 5-10% more likely to use negative adjectives.
What the poll showed is that Democrats are consistently less prejudiced than most white Americans, but that racist views and prejudice are still a pervasive force in this country. The effect this will have on the outcome of the election is at best a rounding error.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pmsorry ralph,
i call 'em as i see 'em.
when conservatives are losing
a point they switch tactics and
engage in endless "debate". nobody wins-
but nobody loses. it just goes on
and on. how perfect for rush. talk
about obama being an arab. appeal to
the racist without seeming to be racist yourself.
fox news does it, tracy does it and backup
does it too. it doesn't matter if obama is or
he isn't. the idea is out there.
and that's all that matters.
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and that, my friend is what your friend
backup wants. he pretends his hands
are clean, but are they?
there's real debate about that.
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ironic, isn't it?
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September 23rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmTracy__5 Says:
And never been right once. BTW I didn’t conduct the poll.
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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You obviously didn't read it, either, or you wouldn't be making the ridiculous statement that 1/3 of Democrats won't vote for Obama because of his race.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
#50
“Tracy__5 Says:
I find it more scary that all white Republicans (is there any other kind?) won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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fixed.”
Any other kind? Can you be more ignorant?
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the above comment is sloppy.
you must of have been very
angry and upset when you wrote it.
#
want to try again?
*
good luck.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm#69
"…merely states that one third of white people have negative views of blacks as a monolithic group."
I do believe it said:
"...according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.
"More than a third of all white Democrats and independents—voters Obama can't win the White House without—agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views."
This is also interesting...
"Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates."
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pm#83
"He’s waaaaaaaay behind you in that category. He can’t even see your dust in that chase."
Dude I am STILL waiting for you or shoeless to present something racist that I have said. Care to take a shot again because you haven't hit anything?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 pmAh yes, Rush Limbaugh never fails to provide a lesson in idiocy to his listeners.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm#90
"Tracist, could you please produce a link to this poll?"
Google it.
"Nowhere does it say, as you claim, that “a third of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he is black”."
In this link it said exactly that...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93AIV882&show_article=1
"...according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles."
Now if the AP is insinuating something wrong then you need to call them on this and the other conclusions. Again I didn't conduct the poll or write the AP story.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmThat's an interesting tack that Tracist takes -- in an effort to bolster his claim that "one-third of white Democrats won't vote for Obama because he's black", Tracist offers the following:
More than a third of all white Democrats and independents—voters Obama can’t win the White House without—agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views.
Of course, Tracist must somehow conflate "agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks" with "won't vote for Obama because he's black", even though later in the paragraph, the poll anlysis said: "they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama " -- a statement that pretty directly undermines Tracist's claim, as "less likely" is hardly a synonym for "will not".
Not even a nice try, Trace.
As joe cantwell says, very sloppy. But then, rightwing arguments can very seldom be sold without some slop in the sales pitch. Can you imagine if they actually had to adhere to the truth? I think they'd get violent very quickly.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm#91
"Posting anything else just goes to prove what a stupid shithead you truly are."
This must really make you mad that all of your hot air pissing and moaning about what I posted is still irrelevant. No one cares.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmKeith Says
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
…that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he is black.
Since he is up by about 4% in the polls (all taken together), it must be impossible that he does not have 1/3rd the white Democratic vote.
_____________________________________________________
Maybe most of the one third of whites who have a negative view of black people are Republicans? That would be one explanation.
The polls should already be reflecting the views of those who will only vote for a white person, and Obama is still ahead. It's not like bigots are a group ignored by the pollsters, like newly registered voters and people without land lines are.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmWhy should we do your homework for you? I've said it before -- if I have a persuasive argument built on solid evidence, I'm eager to provide that evidence to someone who doubts my facts. I find it makes my argument stronger. If, on the other hand, i was talking out my ass, I think it might be a sound tactical move to demand that others use the google to research my claims. It would give a bogus claim that much more chance of slipping past unnoticed.
Reading comprehension not exactly a strength of yours, is it, Trace?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 pmTracy__5 Says:
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I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
Are you trying to makes us all believe that you are a democrat in repukes clothing? It ain't working.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm#98
"What the poll showed is that Democrats are consistently less prejudiced than most white Americans, but that racist views and prejudice are still a pervasive force in this country."
There are racist Democrats? No way!
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm#100
"You obviously didn’t read it, either, or you wouldn’t be making the ridiculous statement that 1/3 of Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of his race."
I am just quoting that AP story. If it is inaccurate then why are you not calling them out on their mis-statment?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmTracy__5 Says:
There are racist Democrats? No way!
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yeah, but stick with rush and the
republicans trace,
where can openly enjoy
your racism.
#
good luck.
*
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm#106
"...a statement that pretty directly undermines Tracist’s claim, as “less likely” is hardly a synonym for “will not”."
OK significantly less likely to vote for Obama. Are you going to refute the findings of the poll anytime soon?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
#106
“…a statement that pretty directly undermines Tracist’s claim, as “less likely” is hardly a synonym for “will not”.”
OK significantly less likely to vote for Obama. Are you going to refute the findings of the poll anytime soon?
*
actually i'm here to refute
limbaugh.
#
how come you
won't defend him?
:)
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pmtrace?
trace...?
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September 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmralph. you did not have to comment here, but I respect you for calling it the way you see it, and speaking up when it would be easier not to. Thank you.
joe. I understand that you may believe all conservatives or all republicans are racist. But, it's painting with a broad brush. It's a lot like trying to sterotype all african americans or all women into one category. It's easy, but not always accurate.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmTracist seems surprised that a liberal would recognize that there are racists among their own kind.
Tracist is not well-served by his dualistic worldview.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Maybe most of the one third of whites who have a negative view of black people are Republicans? That would be one explanation.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
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According to the raw data, Almost 1/2 of the people polled in the AP/Yahoo poll considered themselves Democrat - 36% were Republican, 7% independent, 8% none or other.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm#109
"Why should we do your homework for you?"
You asked me to do YOUR homework. You aren't the prof here.
"I’ve said it before — if I have a persuasive argument built on solid evidence, I’m eager to provide that evidence to someone who doubts my facts."
Provide some evidence first. After that you can easily just say that you don't agree with the AP story's assessment and you won't hurt yourself soo much.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmNo, Trace, you are NOT "quoting" the AP story. You are badly misreading it and then shaping it to fit your cherished image of the electorate.
We are not trying to refute the poll. We're refuting your ignorant distortion of its findings.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm.
Tracy_Troll,
Of course it's not propagating the notion that white America would be less likely to vote for a black man when YOU repeate it...
ROFLMAO
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pm#113
"yeah, but stick with rush and the
republicans trace,
where can openly enjoy
your racism."
Well ralph and shoeless won't/can't come up with any evidence. How about you?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmTracy__5 Says:
I am just quoting that AP story. If it is inaccurate then why are you not calling them out on their mis-statment?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
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No you're not. You're not quoting them. Quoting means "using someone else's words accurately." You're changing their words to suit your agenda. I'm not calling out their poll - I'm calling you out for being the liar that you are, and will continue to do so until you admit that you lied about the poll results.
Apologize, liar.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm#115
"how come you
won’t defend him?"
Uh...because he is wrong?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmTracy__5 Says
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
OK significantly less likely to vote for Obama. Are you going to refute the findings of the poll anytime soon?
__________________________________________________________
All the poll says is that one third of the whites polled have negative views of black people. That's it. Although that's not stopping you from claiming that every one of these white people will be voting against Obama for that reason.
OK -- let's pretend that is so, just for the sake of argument. Are you claiming that polls are somehow ignoring this large group of bigot voters? They are presumably represented in the polls along with non-bigoted voters. And Obama is still ahead.
This would suggest that Obama is winning in spite of people who are voting against him strictly because of his skin color, not losing because of them.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmTracy__5 Says:
Provide some evidence first. After that you can easily just say that you don’t agree with the AP story’s assessment and you won’t hurt yourself soo much.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
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I agree with the AP story's assessment. I disagree with your lies about it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm#117
"It’s easy, but not always accurate."
That's why they do it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmbackup Says:
joe. I understand that you may believe all conservatives or all republicans are racist. But, it’s painting with a broad brush. It’s a lot like trying to sterotype all african americans or all women into one category. It’s easy, but not always accurate.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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You're right. Not all Republicans are racist. It's only about 45% or so.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:59 pmNo, Trace, you made the claim. It's up to you to demonstrate its veracity. So far, you have utterly failed to do so.
Provide some evidence of what? I didn't make a claim -- you did.
In fact, Trace, I went and followed the link that misshusseinmolly provided (you didn't until much later, citing missmolly) and I copied-and-pasted quotes from the article itself, quotes that demonstrated that your claim that "one-third of Democrats won't vote for Obama because he's black" was complete bullshit, at least according to this poll. That is what I mean by "evidence".
You're not very bright, are you, Trace?
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:59 pm#118
"Tracist seems surprised that a liberal would recognize that there are racists among their own kind."
Still waiting for that evidence about my supposed racist views. How long am I going to have to wait?
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTracy__5 Says:
#113
“yeah, but stick with rush and the
republicans trace,
where can openly enjoy
your racism.”
Well ralph and shoeless won’t/can’t come up with any evidence. How about you?
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so you won't defend limbaugh?
i understand.
it's an impossible task.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pmTracy__5 Says:
#118
“Tracist seems surprised that a liberal would recognize that there are racists among their own kind.”
Still waiting for that evidence about my supposed racist views. How long am I going to have to wait?
*
news flash trace,
it's not all about you.
sorry.
*
you can stop waiting.
:)
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm.
I thought this thread was about Racist Rush...
... Not Tracy_Troll's spin, "it's the Democrats that are the racist ones".
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pmLimbaugh must know Obama is not Arab. Hes fearmongering. Because if its one thing his listeners fear/hate more than African-Americans its Arabs.
Also "African-American" implies hes actually American while "Arab" makes him totally foreign and connects him to all sorts of scary Islamic extremist Arabs like Bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, al-Sadr, Ahmadinejad (hes not Arab of course but his listeners dont care or see the difference)
Therefore in Limbaugh world Obama is now officially Arab.
Always amazes me how this racist ignorant arrogant loudmouth moron is the most popular talk radio host in America. And that a former president and the current president calls and congratulates him on his 20 years on air anniversary. Freaking bizzaro world
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm#121
"You are badly misreading it and then shaping it to fit your cherished image of the electorate."
No you guys are just trying to make something negative not look so bad.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmSo Tracy_5
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmNo thoughts on the many bailout related threads?
backup Says:
I’ve never heard anything really racist from backup.
ralph. you did not have to comment here, but I respect you for calling it the way you see it, and speaking up when it would be easier not to. Thank you.
joe. I understand that you may believe all conservatives or all republicans are racist. But, it’s painting with a broad brush. It’s a lot like trying to sterotype all african americans or all women into one category. It’s easy, but not always accurate.
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who's painting with a broad brush?
#
interesting that both you and trace
have forgotten that the subject of this
post is limbaugh, isn't it?
^
you do have that in common, don't you?
:)
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmTracy__5 Says:
Still waiting for that evidence about my supposed racist views. How long am I going to have to wait?
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
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Statistically, it's about a two-in-five chance that you harbor racist and stereotypical views towards African-Americans. Taken as a representative of the aggregate of conservatives, you are therefore more racist than any given liberal. Thus, by statistical comparison - using the study you so frequently cite - you are racist.
P.W.N.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm#136 T_T
ROFLMAO...
... And you're NOT?
PLEASE... REFUTE RUSH!
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmThis is your response? A non sequiter?
Should we have expected much better? No, I don't think so.
Tracist isn't very bright.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
#121
“You are badly misreading it and then shaping it to fit your cherished image of the electorate.”
No you guys are just trying to make something negative not look so bad.
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no, that would be your job.
and, unfortunately for limbaugh,
you're not doing it,
are you?
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thank you.
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September 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm#124
"No you’re not. You’re not quoting them."
This is directly from the link:
"WASHINGTON (AP) - Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles."
"Apologize, liar."
I quoted to AP story above liar.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmWrong.
You said, very specifically, "1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin."
This is a false assumption given the poll that misshusseinmolly produced, and you have produced no other source to back up this claim.
Simple as that.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
No you guys are just trying to make something negative not look so bad.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
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No. We recognize that racism is still pervasive in this country. Though we're certainly not happy that 1/3 of our party harbors racist views, at least we're not as racist as the 45% of Republicans who harbor racist views.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmPlease point out where in the quoted passage it says, as you claimed, that
1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
'Cause I don't see it there.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
I quoted to AP story above liar.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
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No you didn't. Show me where the AP story or the poll results say that 1/3 of white Democrats won't vote for Obama due to the color of his skin.
Unless you can find a quote that actually says that, you are a liar.
Still waiting on that admission and apology.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm... And I repeat
Flagging T_T for derailing topic...
... And moving on.
.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pmOops...
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmThis derailing started back at post #36... FYI
Max-1 Says:
Oops…
This derailing started back at post #36… FYI
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i noticed that too
(with an able assist from backup)
which is why i challenged
tracy to defend limbaugh.
*
so far she has failed to do it.
:)
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
‘Cause I don’t see it there.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm
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Well, I guess we can consider the case closed on this one - Tracy_5 is a liar. Plain and simple.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pmThe AP poll shows we still have a long way to go in regards to racism, both Democrats and Republicans. I have made the point before, that republicans have significant ground to make up. And because of it, on issues of bigotry and equality, I side with democrats.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pmjoe. I think my initial post was back around #54. Do me a favor and show me what in that post was an attempt at derailing.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmJust one other thing I'd like factored in to this poll:
- the fact that Rupert Murdoch owns the Associated Press.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm#126
"Although that’s not stopping you from claiming that every one of these white people will be voting against Obama for that reason."
When did I claim that?
"Are you claiming that polls are somehow ignoring this large group of bigot voters?"
No.
"This would suggest that Obama is winning in spite of people who are voting against him strictly because of his skin color, not losing because of them."
The AP story also says the Republicans aren't voting against Obama because he is black...
"Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president—white, black or brown."
...which tells me that hussein toasterhead's claim that 45% Republicans are racist is total bunk.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:00 pm#127
"I disagree with your lies about it."
What lies? I already said "more likely".
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pmOK -- this thread has officially been derailed.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pmOnly after your initial statements were shown to be lies.
Here's how you started the thread derailment:
This is a lie. You have no source for this claim that stands up to scrutiny. There are no disclaimers in it, no "more likely"s, nothing that indicates that you find this to be anything but hard fact.
I suppose you could be just really, really dim and really bad at reading comprehension (there's certainly been ample evidence provided for that excuse) but given your obstinance in defending your claim, I think the likeliest explanation is that you're just a lair.
Others have reached this conclusion as well.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:11 pmI know, miss m, but you gotta admit, it wasn't much of a thread to begin with.
Limbaugh's lies were easily exposed, and none of the trolls would even try to defend their mouthpiece.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pmConsidering that Limbaugh is a gasbag and I'm having a terrific time seeing Tracy_5 get his ass handed to him, I say derail away.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm#130
"Provide some evidence of what? I didn’t make a claim — you did."
I just cited the AP story that inferred that Obama might have a problem with losing Democratic votes because of his race.
"...quotes that demonstrated that your claim that “one-third of Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he’s black” was complete bullshit, at least according to this poll."
Where is the "evidence"? The article is full of evidence citing the poll that there are racist Democrats and that many won't be voting for Obama because he is black.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:26 pmralph the wonder llama Says
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I know, miss m, but you gotta admit, it wasn’t much of a thread to begin with.
Limbaugh’s lies were easily exposed, and none of the trolls would even try to defend their mouthpiece.
___________________________________________________________
You're right -- not even Daryll or Mr. P would claim that Rush was correct on this one. The best the trolls could do was the shiny object distraction show offered by Tracy_5. But she's had quite a workout this afternoon -- with all of her imaginative spinning, she must have the world's biggest ball of twine by now.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pmAh, but let's compare what you're saying here:
I just cited the AP story that inferred that Obama might have a problem with losing Democratic votes because of his race
(emphasis mine)
with what you said to start the thread:
I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
(again, emphasis mine)
Not really the same thing, is it, Trace? No, it's not. And you didn't in fact "cite the AP story". You made a bold statement of "fact" without referencing any source. missmolly was the one who provided the link (which you later imitated).
And let's examine your second somewhat mealy-mouthed defense of your previous indefensible claim:
there are racist Democrats and that many won’t be voting for Obama because he is black.
There surely are racist Democrats, and many won't be voting for Obama because of his race. We saw that in West Virginia during the primaries. But again, Trace, your original statement was far bolder than this. You stated flatly that one-third of white Democrats wouldn't vote for Obama because of his race.
Not that "there are" some who are racist and "many" of those won't be voting for obama for that reason. In fact, the poll that you now claim to cite doesn't say anything about how many will not vote for Obama based on race. The closest it comes to quantifying that statistic is the estimate that the number "could be" larger than 2.5%.
You're not doing so well, Trace. Maybe you're distracted.
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm#139
"Taken as a representative of the aggregate of conservatives, you are therefore more racist than any given liberal. Thus, by statistical comparison - using the study you so frequently cite - you are racist."
How did you come up with conservative vs. liberal bunk from the poll info you cite?
September 23rd, 2008 at 3:45 pmTracy, are you deliberately trying to make confused statements as a strategy to obfuscate, or are you really doing the best you can?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
#115
“how come you
won’t defend him?”
Uh…because he is wrong?
*
uh... then why are you here?
go back to the top (take backup with you)
and read the original post.
#
take your time.
we'll wait.
:)
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm#144
"This is a false assumption given the poll that misshusseinmolly produced, and you have produced no other source to back up this claim."
The fact that the race is so tight, that Republicans aren't voting for Obama because of his liberal views, not his race, that registered Democrats out number Republicans, the article is suggesting that racist Democrats are part of the reason it is so tight.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm#145
"Though we’re certainly not happy that 1/3 of our party harbors racist views, at least we’re not as racist as the 45% of Republicans who harbor racist views."
Again were are you getting 45% from? BTW 33% is absolutely pathetic for the party who claims to be tolerant.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm"No you didn’t. Show me where the AP story or the poll results say that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama due to the color of his skin."
OK so the title of the article doesn't mean anything to you?
"Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue"
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pmTracy__5 Says:
OK so the title of the article doesn’t mean anything to you?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
_______
Not after reading the actual text of the article.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pm#158
"This is a lie. You have no source for this claim that stands up to scrutiny."
The title of the article means nothing here?
"Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue"
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 pmTrying to prove who's the most racist, seems unproductive.
It seems like the AP poll is suggesting that some Democrats may not be comfortable voting for Obama because he is black. That's not positive. It's also pretty well accepted (and probably charged above that Republicans have similar (I suggest, more significant) issues with racism.
Trying to be objective, I'll make the point that Obama will probably get 95% of the black vote. If those numbers represented white voting preferences (in the current race), it would probably be chalked up to white racism. And if the AP is polling how whites feel about blacks, is anyone curious why we're not asking how blacks feel about whites? Would those numbers be more flattering?
I believe racism is a universal problem. We have made some gains in this country, but obviously, we have a long way to go.
But, trying to debate who's the most racist, doesn't really seem like the best focus we could have.
How about instead, who's got best policies to address the racial problems we face?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:24 pmBut, once again, that is not what you originally said.
Let's revisit it again, shall we?
I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
You STILL have produced no evidence that this statement is true. Neither have you acknowledged that you misread the poll in order to reach this conclusion.
You're still flailing away, Trace, and it's not a pretty sight.
it is a funny sight, however. So keep it up.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pmbackup Says:
Trying to prove who’s the most racist, seems unproductive.
It seems like the AP poll is suggesting that some Democrats may not be comfortable voting for Obama because he is black. That’s not positive. It’s also pretty well accepted (and probably charged above that Republicans have similar (I suggest, more significant) issues with racism.
Trying to be objective, I’ll make the point that Obama will probably get 95% of the black vote. If those numbers represented white voting preferences (in the current race), it would probably be chalked up to white racism. And if the AP is polling how whites feel about blacks, is anyone curious why we’re not asking how blacks feel about whites? Would those numbers be more flattering?
I believe racism is a universal problem. We have made some gains in this country, but obviously, we have a long way to go.
But, trying to debate who’s the most racist, doesn’t really seem like the best focus we could have.
How about instead, who’s got best policies to address the racial problems we face?
*
and this has what to do
with limbaugh's lie about
obama?
^
another able assist
from backup to trace.
#
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm#163
"Not really the same thing, is it, Trace? No, it’s not."
Uh yeah it is considering Obama is black and the title of the article clearly points to the AP being concerned that racist Democrats might cost Obama the election.
"We saw that in West Virginia during the primaries. But again, Trace, your original statement was far bolder than this."
That is your opinion.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:30 pmWhy is it so difficult for you to understand the difference between what the headline says and what you originally claimed?
Why do you continue to pretend that you didn't misrepresent what the poll and article said?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:30 pmUm... backup...? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but black voters have been voting for white candidates for President pretty much exclusively in general elections since black Americans were eligible to vote. And they voted for the Democrat in the last election somewhere around 90%. So the assumption that the Democrat should be projected to receive somewhere around 95% of the black vote in this election because of how whites feel about blacks is a little bit disingenuous, don't you think?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pmMy bad --- should have been "because of how blacks feel about whites..."
Sorry.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm#165
"Tracy, are you deliberately trying to make confused statements as a strategy to obfuscate, or are you really doing the best you can?"
Considering that Republicans aren't going to vote for Obama because he is a liberal the jist of this poll clearly is pointing out and making reference to the large number of racists who are Democrats. Care to explain why else the race is so close? Many here already agree that 1/3 of Democrats are racist. Do you?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm#170
"Not after reading the actual text of the article."
Then explain the AP title.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:38 pmTracy_5:
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:38 pmYou used to preach so of the wonders of market capitalism yet I no longer see any of your comments or those of our other socialism hating pals posted on any of the many threads available related to the Bush bailout. Do you think this is coincidental?
Tracy babbles: I find it more scary that 1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
Let's compare what our troll said to what the article actually said.
Strike 1
Tracy: "1/3 of white Democrats"
Yahoo article: "More than a third of all white Democrats and independents"
Strike 2
Tracy: "won’t vote for Obama"
Yahoo article: "they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama"
Strike 3
Tracy: "The title of the article means nothing here?"
Yahoo article: “Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue”
After a long, long time of exchanges with Tracy on this and countless other topics, I can safely say he is one of the slowest people I've had the displeasure of arguing with, and with the worst reading comprehension of what are simple, straightforward English sentences...
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:43 pmAnd all of this has absolutely nothing, nothing to do with the fact that Limbaugh flat-out lied about Obama's ethnic background. Not that it matters all that much. Or at least it shouldn't.
Speaking of ethnic backgrounds, wasn't Limbaugh jabbering about Obama "disowning" his "white half" not too long ago? How did Obama go from being "half white" -whatever that might mean- to being full-fledged Arab?
Reichwingers can't even keep their own bloody lies straight...
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pmPlease cite a single poster here who agrees "that 1/3 of Democrats are racist". Keep in mind that people agreeing tat there are racist Democrats does not equate to saying that "1/3 of Democrats are racist". It's hard to imagine that Obama would have won the Democratic primary if one-third of the party electorate was out of play for him from the start.
But first, please acknowledge that you misrepresented the findings of the poll. Can you do that?
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pmThat's all I'm saying...
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm#173
"You STILL have produced no evidence that this statement is true. Neither have you acknowledged that you misread the poll in order to reach this conclusion"
What do you think this AP title means or what AP meant by choosing this title?
"Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue"
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pmBTW, when I said "not that it matters all that much" I was talking about Obama's ethnic background, not about Limbaugh's lies.
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pmralph the wonder llama Says: But first, please acknowledge that you misrepresented the findings of the poll. Can you do that?
Don't hold your breath... he will defend his point of view, then restate it a little, then deny he ever make his original claim, then defend it anyway, re-state it another little, defend it again, then ask *you* to prove *his* claim...
Oh, wait, he already did all that...
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pmI think the AP means pretty much what it says when it chooses that title. Racial misgivings of whites are an issue for Obama, sadly.
How does that headline justify your completely unsubstantiated claim that "1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin"?
Again I ask: are you really this slow, Trace? Or are you just pretending to be stupid in order to mess with us?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm"Why is it so difficult for you to understand the difference between what the headline says and what you originally claimed?"
How can you seperate the title of the article as being different and detached from body of the article?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pmralph. you make good point. But, the is some information that Obama is increasing the black vote. The idea is not only to get the 95% of black support, but to reach out to disaffected blacks that haven't voted in past elections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/27/AR2008072701850.html
So, If I concede that blacks normally vote in those kinds of percentages for previous Democrat white candidates (until this year, their only option), it does not address the motivations for the increased turnout this year.
If you want to be cynical, you could suggest that blacks are motivated to see a black, instead of a white, president. (the ideological rifts existed in the past) But, with that same cynical mindset, you could suggest that those whites that don't vote for Obama are doing it out of racism and not because they differ on ideology.
Some will vote for Obama because he is black. Some will vote against him because he is black. But, I suggest (and hope) that those who do, will be insignificant to the outcome.
More importantly, I believe that, while Obama is a very attractive candidate, he is not a perfect candidate. He has a voting record that is considerably left of the American people and less experience than most would like.
He matches up well against McCain (especially after 8 years of Bush Administration) and will probably win in November. But, If he loses, I think the cause won't be race - but ideology and possibly experience.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmralph the wonder llama:
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:08 pmI really am impressed with your perserverence here but Tracy_5 has made a decision to ignore the point you have made for what seems like hours. Tracy_5 can not acknowledge your point as to do so would mean inner turmoil. them-libs had the same problem earlier today. I think it might be in everyone's interest to just invite everyone upstairs to any of the bailout threads where we can get their ideas on the administers sudden love of all things socialistic and big government. See ya there...
the word "won't" is pretty freakin' easy to understand for god's sake!
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pmI know, dbadass, I know. But I just keep thinking that if I explain it in simple enough terms, enough times, Tracy will see the light.
I could be too optimistic about Tracy's intellectual capabilities.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:10 pmbackup, we're getting pretty far afield of what I thought was your point -- which was, given the overwhelming predominance of black voters to support Obama in this race, why is no one concerned with their reluctance to vote for a white candidate?
i understand that this question (which I have paraphrased, I hope accurately) is meant to be rhetorical, but I tried to answer it anyway -- the question relied on a faulty foundation, since black voters are not hesitant to vote for white politicians. One might look at the Democratic primary held this summer in Tennessee's Ninth CD, a predominantly black district that elected a white Jew to represent it in Congress and likely will return him to that seat this November.
In other words, blacks have a much more extensive record of voting for white candidates than whites have of voting for blacks.
I hope, like you do that the racial backlash will not be a significant factor in the election, but I fear it may be.
Of course, Tracy_5 may try to take my statement to claim that I believe, as he does, that "1/3 of Democrats won't vote for Obama because of his skin color". (Tracy has a way of reading what he wants to read, no matter what the words actually say.)
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:24 pm#182
"Let’s compare what our troll said to what the article actually said.
Strike 1
Tracy: “1/3 of white Democrats”
Yahoo article: “More than a third of all white Democrats and independents”"
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
"Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles."
Cite the right quote. You can do it.
"Strike 2
Tracy: “won’t vote for Obama”
Yahoo article: “they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama”"
Oh man that is totally different! NOT.
"Strike 3
Tracy: “The title of the article means nothing here?”
Yahoo article: “Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue”"
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
"Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama"
Again cite the right title. You can do it.
and with the worst reading comprehension of what are simple, straightforward English sentences…"
Go away, you bore me. Especially when you are soo late to the game.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pmTracy__5 babbles: How can you seperate (sic) the title of the article as being different and detached from body of the article?
First, not all headlines accurately represent the content of the article. Second, and too bad for you, neither the title nor the body of the article lend substance to your claim that "1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin".
And last but not least, your rebuttal makes no sense. As usual.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pmTracy babbles: Go away, you bore me. Especially when you are soo late to the game.
If there is a bore in this thread, is you, dimwit.
From your own link: "More than a third of all white Democrats and independents [...] are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views."
You do understand what the word "and" means don't you? How about "less likely"? Are those terms used so infrequently where you are from, that you are having problems understanding them?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pm#184
"Please cite a single poster here who agrees “that 1/3 of Democrats are racist."
OK...
"hussein toasterhead
No. We recognize that racism is still pervasive in this country. Though we’re certainly not happy that 1/3 of our party harbors racist views, at least we’re not as racist as the 45% of Republicans who harbor racist views.
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm"
I"t’s hard to imagine that Obama would have won the Democratic primary if one-third of the party electorate was out of play for him from the start."
Maybe they are even more biased towards women.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 pmY'know, Gregor, in spite of Tracy's marginally adequate use of English vocabulary and grammatical structure, I'm beginning to believe that he really doesn't understand what words actually mean.
Sad, I know. But what can you do? Another child left behind.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:45 pmMaybe the troll is confounded by the word "significantly".
It has 3 more syllables than the troll is used to.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:49 pmNice on, Tracist. I'll give you HTH, even though I think if you asked him outright, he would not agree that "1/3 of Democrats are racists". See, the difference between "harbors racist views" and "racist" would probably be lost on you, since you can't even tell the difference between your ridiculous original claim and the headline of the article that misshusseinmolly cited. It's too much bother to explain it to you and have you stare blankly some more. So I'll give you that one.
Maybe, but you have no evidence of that, either, do you?
No. You're just throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks. It's getting really tiresome, Tracist. Hey! There's another Limbaugh thread up above. Maybe you wanna try a different strategy in that one?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:50 pmralph the wonder llama Says: I’m beginning to believe that he really doesn’t understand what words actually mean.
I think I am ahead of you in that respect. I am already sure he doesn't. He assigns them whatever meaning he fancies -usually the most nonsensical...
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pmLet's see if I get this straight... Democratic primaries and caucuses set records for voter turnout, and routinely squashed Republican turnout. The two leading vote-getters were a black American and a white woman.
Yet Tracist suggests that reason Obama won the nomination, even though a full one-third of the electorate refused to vote for him because of his skin color, was because the Democratic Party is "even more biased towards women".
Leaving aside the obvious misstatement (he must have meant "biased against women", right? Otherwise why would that explain her loss?) how does that explain the result? Why did none of the white male candidates reap the benefits of all of this prejudice and sweep to victory?
Tracy, this can't even make sense to you. Can it?
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:55 pmralph. I can't argue your point, but I imagine that you would concede there hasn't been much opportunity for whites to build an extensive record of voting for blacks. Especially nationally.
I'm open to your point about blacks voting consistently in the 90's for democrats. I think that situation is different than if whites are altering their voting habits based on Obama's race. I'm agreeing with you.
It's difficult for me to believe that it will significantly effect the outcome. I try to be objective, but I do think Obama's race could influence me. Only for this reason: we've had forty and change white presidents, and a history of discrimination. I have to admit that I believe an Obama presidency (regardless of his ideology) might beneficially address past racial barriers to power and help quell some of the disenfranchisement of those that haven't had more equal representation at a national level. It's hard for me to believe that I am alone in that sentiment. If that is the case, Obama's race may not be the liability that the AP poll suggests.
September 23rd, 2008 at 5:57 pmTracy makes a good point here. If whites won't vote for Obama, how did he get the Democratic nomination?
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm#202
"Nice on, Tracist. I’ll give you HTH, even though I think if you asked him outright, he would not agree that “1/3 of Democrats are racists”."
Oh, please do tell him what he REALLY ment. LOL!
"See, the difference between “harbors racist views” and “racist” would probably be lost on you,"
Only someone as shallow and inauthetic as you would attempt to differentiate the two.
"Maybe, but you have no evidence of that, either, do you?"
Explain how the far more qualified candidate didn't get chosen by the Democrats.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pmralph the wonder llama Says: Why did none of the white male candidates reap the benefits of all of this prejudice and sweep to victory?
Watch the troll's head explode by the sheer cognitive dissonance.... them come back to life -like a weed- to repeat the same gibberish he's been parroting for the last few hours.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pmActually, backup, that was Ralph's point. Tracy has been trying to argue against that...
But thanks for agreeing that Tracy makes no sense.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm#203
"I think I am ahead of you in that respect. I am already sure he doesn’t. He assigns them whatever meaning he fancies -usually the most nonsensical…"
This comming from someone who throws three balls and calls them strikes?
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:38 pmApparently the poll said that 1/3rd of white democrats hold some negative views of African-Americans.
This is totally different from saying they will not vote for an African-American. They might prefer Malcom X over four more years of this disaster we are in.
Also this same 1/3rd of white Democrats might not see any of those negatives in Barack Obama. They might think of him as making an excellent president. Obama is leading by 4-5% now and after the Palin bump goes completely away and people realize the many TRILLIONS of dollars the Repubs have cost us, maybe he wins by 9-10%.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:38 pmTracy_5 says: Explain how the far more qualified candidate didn’t get chosen by the Democrats.
She was too far to the right and people wanted change.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm"She was too far to the right and people wanted change."
Oh, so by your own admission the far left has taken over the Democratic party.
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:51 pmTracy__5 babbles: This comming from someone who throws three balls and calls them strikes?
They were strikes. Big ones, at that. You just happen to be too dense to see it, dim.
Everyone else in this thread has been telling you what I told you, dim. Why, even backup understood Ralph's point.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm"They were strikes. Big ones, at that. You just happen to be too dense to see it, dim."
You cite the wrong thing in two of your "strikes" and in the other you try and say that "won’t vote for Obama"
is way different than "they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama".
Here it is again considering you missed it....
“Let’s compare what our troll said to what the article actually said.
Strike 1
Tracy: “1/3 of white Democrats”
Yahoo article: “More than a third of all white Democrats and independents””
http://news.yahoo.com/ page/ election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
“Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.”
Cite the right quote. You can do it.
“Strike 2
Tracy: “won’t vote for Obama”
Yahoo article: “they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama””
Oh man that is totally different! NOT.
“Strike 3
Tracy: “The title of the article means nothing here?”
Yahoo article: “Poll: Racial misgivings of whites an Obama issue””
http://news.yahoo.com/ page/ election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
“Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama”
Again cite the right title. You can do it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmTracy__5 babbles: Again cite the right title. You can do it.
Does it say 1/3 as you originally claimed? Come on, dim. Acknowledge it doesn't support your claim. You can do it.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:36 pmTracy_5:
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:39 pmAren't you tired of this yet? Please join us at one of the bailout sites. We are really looking for those small government antisocialist insights...
#216
"Does it say 1/3 as you originally claimed?"
Obama is black and the article title say what it says. Again I am taking the AP's word....over what you and others here think they ment.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:44 pm"Aren’t you tired of this yet? Please join us at one of the bailout sites. We are really looking for those small government antisocialist insights…"
Sure you are. If have time and are not doing ANYTHING else...I might.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:45 pmGregor, I stand corrected. Sorry, ralph. (you make a good point).
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:50 pmExcellent. See ya there. Please invite all those magic hand types...
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 pmTracy__5 babbles: Obama is black and the article title say what it says.
Indeed. And what it doesn't say is this: "1/3 of white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin".
over what you and others here think they ment.
Are you trying to tell us you are the only one here who actually knows what the title actually meant? Who are you? Miss Cleo?
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 pmSince Rush pulls facts right out of his ass and he used his ass as an excuse to avoid the draft, should we just refer to him as an Assy-American.
September 23rd, 2008 at 7:59 pmOr maybe a Gluteal-Maxican?
I was right. Nuances of language are lost on Tracist.
I guess it really didn't take 200-plus posts to determine that, though, did it? But it was entertaining, wasn't it?
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:26 pmRalph,
This is -more or less- how Twacy's math & "logic" works:
some = 1/3
less likely = won't
I am not sure how "some" became 1/3, as opposed to, say, 20% or even 9%, but there you have it.
I guess threesome in Tracyspeak means 90% ;-)
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:53 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Tracy__5 Says:
I find it more scary that all white Republicans (is there any other kind?) won’t vote for Obama because of the color of his skin.
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fixed.”
Any other kind? Can you be more ignorant?
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He couldnt be more ignorant than YOU, that just simply isnt possible. No organic being could POSSIBLY be more ignorant than you are.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:13 amTracy__5 Says:
Not as scary as the Dems denying a more qualified woman and instead giving the position to another liberal moron.
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You really do have no shame. YOU are stupider than TOEJAM and you call Biden a moron? You arent fit to lick his boots. You are several rungs lower than pondscum on the evolutionary ladder you knuckledragging, troglydite. Your ignorance is stupendous to behold
September 24th, 2008 at 7:28 amTracy__5 Says:
And never been right once. BTW I didn’t conduct the poll.
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You ARE a liar, AND a fool. Of COURSE you didnt conduct the poll you are too stupid to even UNDERSTAND the poll. It doesnt make the claim you say it makes MORON.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:31 am"Are you trying to tell us you are the only one here who actually knows what the title actually meant? Who are you? Miss Cleo?"
You guys obviously didn't understand it.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pmTracy babbles: You guys obviously didn’t understand it.
Fantasy, fanciful reading, and whimsical paraphrasing of the written word do not understanding make, dim.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm