ThinkFast: September 25, 2008
ThinkFast: September 25, 2008
The Congressional Budget Office director yesterday told Congress that the proposed bailout may worsen the current financial crisis. “Ironically, the intervention could even trigger additional failures of large institutions, because some institutions may be carrying troubled assets on their books at inflated values,” Peter Orszag said. “Establishing clearer prices might reveal those institutions to be insolvent.”
Lobbyists for the financial industry are engaged in a “feeding frenzy.” Wall Street firms, commercial banks, and insurers are lobbying on an array of issues — “from beating back proposals to make it easier to reduce mortgage debts in bankruptcy courts to fighting, unsuccessfully so far, to retain control over executive pay.”
In a questionnaire submitted to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Condoleezza Rice admitted to discussing torture techniques in the White House in the spring of 2002. In meetings led by Rice and attended by Donald Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft, and other administration officials, officials authorized waterboarding and other coercive methods to interrogate al Qaeda detainee Abu Zubaydah. ABC News first reported the meetings in April.
“Sarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night. “He gave her a pat on the back … and said to her, ‘Thank you very much’” as she slid into the back of a waiting SUV wearing “a radiant smile,” Politico reports.
On the trail today: John McCain and Barack Obama will meet with President Bush at 4 pm to discuss the bailout package for the financial industry. Sarah Palin will attend McCain’s speech at the Clinton Global Initiative and then head to Philadelphia. Joe Biden will speak about the economy in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
A new Kaiser Family Foundation/Health Research & Educational Trust study has found that “[w]orkers are shouldering higher health care costs as more employers demand bigger out-of-pocket payments from employees before their insurance kicks in.” Annual deductibles “jumped an average of 29%, to $1,344, for those with family coverage.”
A prosecutor for the Military Commissions at Guantanamo Bay, Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld, resigned this week, alleging that the government had denied a defendant access to “potentially exculpatory evidence.” Army Col. Lawrence J. Morris, lead prosecutor for the tribunals, denied the reports and said that Vandeveld resigned for “personal reasons.”
“Dr. Elias A. Zerhouni, director of the National Institutes of Health, who shook up the agency when he barred scientists from consulting for drugmakers, announced that he would leave at the end of October “so there is a clear sense that whoever wins the election, N.I.H. has to be a clear priority in their mind.”
Connecticut Democrats, angry that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) is campaigning for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and criticizing Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), “agreed Wednesday to circulate a resolution to censure the veteran politician.” The resolution “condemns Lieberman for speaking at the Republicans’ convention and backing McCain.”
And finally: Yesterday, actor Michael Douglas held a news conference “urging the United States and eight other holdout nations to ratify a nuclear test ban treaty.” However, reporters began asking him questions about the current financial crisis, because of his role as fictional banker Gordon Gekko in the 1987 film “Wall Street.” One reporter asked Douglas, “Are you saying Gordon that greed is not good?” “I’m not saying that,” Douglas replied. “And my name is not Gordon. He’s a character I played 20 years ago.”
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“Sarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night. “He gave her a pat on the back … and said to her, ‘Thank you very much’” as she slid into the back of a waiting SUV wearing “a radiant smile,” Politico reports.
Between this, and the transcript of her flirtations with Karzai yesterday, it sounds like Sarah is going out on dates, rather than having important political meetings…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:04 am“Sarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night. “He gave her a pat on the back … and said to her, ‘Thank you very much’” as she slid into the back of a waiting SUV wearing “a radiant smile,” Politico reports.
On the trail today: John McCain and Barack Obama will meet with President Bush at 4 pm to discuss the bailout package for the financial industry. Sarah Palin will attend McCain’s speech at the Clinton Global Initiative and then head to Philadelphia. Joe Biden will speak about the economy in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
McCain is rushing back to Washington to PROTECT the DERGEULATION he has stead fastly worked on for over 25 years. His loopholes and gutting of regulatory agencies and processes is failing and being washed asunder and he will have no part of it. He is McFlipping mad that it is “So Long Johnny” on the hill. His time is over.
How easy and appropriate would it have been for the McFailure campaign to say:
“Mr. Lettermen, Mr McCain has changed his priorities due to the “crisis”, Instead of appearing on tonight’s program, he will be sending VP Palin in to fill in for him. Please feel free to treat her with the same level of graciousness you would have shown Mr. McCain”
This would have done multiple things.
1) Put Letterman on the defensive to NOT bash Palin as she was filling in
2) Allow Palin to actually appear Vice-Presidential filling in for the #1 guy
3) Give free air time to the campaign that had a horrendous week, what with all the talk of the “FUndamental of the Economy being strong” and all.
Where is Turdblossom anyway?
Unless, they know something that we don’t which could be….
That this “bailout” is not going to do squat, and the TRUE October surprise is that the country will meltdown while Congress (Democrats) get hammered for passing a “watered down” version of the dictatorial bill ahnded down from the Traitor-In-Chief boooosh on Sunday. And, in effect McLame knows that Matial law is about 2 weeks away so he has been given notice to head for the bunker.
I am getting some good mileage out of this tin foil hat. I hope my Chinese version does not have too much lead in it?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:05 amstrong>Credit card insiders tell of deceptive practices
Two former employees of credit card issuer MBNA, now owned by Bank of America, said on Wednesday they were forced to use aggressive and deceptive practices with customers in order to boost revenues.
Cate Colombo, from Maine, said she signed up for a customer service job but was instead instructed to make insistent sales pitches aimed at getting MBNA customers deeper into debt.
“I was hired to sell money,” she said on a conference call organized by Americans for Fairness in Lending, an advocacy group. “We had a goal of selling $25,000 an hour, $4 million per month. And I was one employee among hundreds, just at this one site.”
To meet these goals, Colombo said she was told to turn every regular call from a customer into a sales call. She would do this by running the customer’s name through the computer and finding out every possible line of credit they had ever obtained through MBNA.
She would then total the amount of credit outstanding and offer it to the customer as a blank check. MBNA was a bit lighter on disclosure details, such as telling customers that taking on more debt would reduce the borrower’s credit score and thereby boost their outstanding interest rates. “If we didn’t attempt to max out, we were considered insubordinate,” said Colombo.
In July, a U.S. House of Representatives committee passed legislation aimed at curbing credit card billing practices that surprise borrowers with unexpected interest rate increases.
Consumer indebtedness is a major problem in the United States, one that is becoming worse amid a financial crisis that threatens the economy with a recession. Americans had $969.9 million in outstanding credit card debt as of July, according to Federal Reserve data.
Reuters
The bill that they are referring to in the article is, H.R. 5244, is called the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights and was introduced in February by U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. This is the first time a congressional committee has ever passed consumer protections for credit card holders. Of course, it is a Democrat looking out for us. While, the Republicans are spending all their time trying to figure out new ways of robbing us blind. Is it any wonder why some Americans are in debt over their heads.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:05 amLobbyists for the financial industry are engaged in a “feeding frenzy.”
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I’ll just bet they are. Their piggy clients are scared to death that the current system of raking in the dough off the backs of the poor, golden parachutes, and running the economy to benefit the rich is in danger.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am“I’m gonna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!”-Jim Morrison
September 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am“Sarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night…”
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As long as she is kept to “friendly” contacts and isn’t put in situations where she actually has to answer any questions, she’s probably thinking this veep thing is a pretty cool gig.
I wonder if Dan Quayle would agree with her?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:09 amThe Congressional Budget Office director yesterday told Congress that the proposed bailout may worsen the current financial crisis.
Okay, I’m no financial or economic expert, so perhaps someone who ne could enlighten me.
What I’m getting out of the explanations I’ve heard so far is this:
Mom and Dad are living beyond their means (spending more than they earn), and charging it to the credit cards.
They run their credit to the limit, and are now facing the loss of their home, car, and other stuff. Desperate, they turn to their children, asking to raid their college funds to pay down the credit cards, so they can avoid financial ruin, which included being homeless.
After the kids fork over the money, without any stipulations, the parents get to keep everything, including their credit cards. They’ve averted financial ruin… For now.
Someone please explain to me why they won’t simply get themselves back into the same situation, but without the college funds available to raid.
If Wall Street are Mom and Dad, and we are the kids, then I don’t see how an unfettered bailout is going to fix anything.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:10 amThe resolution “condemns Lieberman for speaking at the Republicans’ convention and backing McCain.”
Ooh! That’ll teach him but good!
Sheesh, is that really the best they could do?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:13 amHow will Sarah Palin be received in Alaska on November 5th?
It has been less than one month since McCain picked Palin to be his back-up president. During these few weeks, this pick has shined a great big spotlight on Alaska’s history of earmarks and pork projects. Americans now understand that Alaska is our nation’s 3rd largest welfare state. As of 2005, prior to Princess Pork’s reign, federal tax dollars paid vs. federal dollars received before earmarks was $1 vs. $1.84, beaten only by New Mexico and Mississippi.
As the State of Alaska lives off the federal government’s coffers, every man, woman and child received a $3,200 non-taxable check this year, and Alaskans pay no state income tax, nor do they have state sales tax (there are some local sales taxes). I believe that all future earmark requests will be under the microscope in the future, thanks to McCain/Palin, and the fine folks in Alaska will notice that shift.
The McCain campaign now appears to have inserted itself into Alaskans’ day-to-day lives, stopping access to their Governor, and running all questions through campaign staff.
Team McCain has also, via teams of lawyers, stopped a bipartisan legislative investigation into claims of abuse of power in the firing of a widely respected civil servant.
Many in Alaska are irate at this invasion into their Libertarian-like lives, and they connect the dots through their governor.
So just how welcome will Governor Palin be back in Alaska on November 5th? One has to wonder if she will even survive her first term, or face impeachment.
And that, my friends, demonstrates what John Sidney McCain can do to your life.
PEACE
September 25th, 2008 at 9:13 amOne reporter asked Douglas, “Are you saying Gordon that greed is not good?” “I’m not saying that,” Douglas replied. “And my name is not Gordon. He’s a character I played 20 years ago.”
Damn if that doesn’t sum up the intellect of the MSM…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:14 amFDA Cracks Down-Products That Cause Blindness & Rapid Heart Rate
The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) is taking steps to stop companies from marketing unapproved ophthalmic balanced salt solutions (BSS) and unapproved topical drug products containing papain, must stop manufacturing and marketing these products or risk enforcement action. FDA announced it has received reports of unapproved products that have been linked to serious adverse reactions.
The eye wash, known as a balanced salt solution, is used to keep the eyes moist during surgery. Two companies, Alcon Laboratories and Akorn, Inc. have versions that are officially approved by the Food and Drug Administration, and are not affected, the FDA said in a public notice.
But three other firms are selling similar types of eye wash without federal validation of their safety and effectiveness, said Deborah Autor, who directs the FDA’s unapproved drugs initiative. They are B. Braun, Baxter, and Hospira, she said.
There are more than 300 reports about ophthalmic balanced salt solution products. Some of these events resulted in patients permanently losing the ability to see objects clearly.
FDA said one manufacturer’s unapproved ophthalmic balanced salt solution product a couple years ago was contaminated with endotoxins, resulting in several hundred reports of adverse events, some of which were serious. In some patients, exposure to the contaminated product led to a noninfectious inflammation of the anterior segment of the eye.
“These unapproved products have put consumer’s health in jeopardy, from reports of permanent vision loss with unapproved balanced salt solutions to a serious drop in blood pressure and increased heart rate from the topical papain products,” said Janet Woodcock, M.D., director for the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. “Consumers need to be assured that all drug products are manufactured according to the high quality standards required for FDA approval and that they are safe and effective.”
Link to rest of the story.
We can never assume anymore–just because a product is on the shelf–that it is FDA approved. My local drug store found out the hard way when they had to pull a number of items off their shelves in the last year. One particular incident they found was some cough medicine that wasn’t FDA approved,that happened around June of this year.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am> On the trail today: John McCain and Barack
> Obama will meet with President Bush
> at 4 pm to discuss the bailout package
THats funny..does ANYONE doubt that if obama gets elected, bush will do everything he can to sabotage his term…you really think dumyas the kind of guy who would flush the toilet for the next guy on the other side?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am“[w]orkers are shouldering higher health care costs as more employers demand bigger out-of-pocket payments from employees before their insurance kicks in.”
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And ever-increasing deductibles aren’t the only problem employees are having as the cost of health insurance spirals out of control. Premiums are increasing for employees as well, as employers have to shift more and more costs to their workers or abandon providing health benefits altogether.
And then, of course — there are those employers who have already dropped health benefits for their employees because they can no longer afford to provide them.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:19 amSo now McKeating wants to put off having the first debate because of this–nice smoke screen to offset the fact that he probably can’t remember his lines or maybe won’t have to acknowledge his role in the run up to the bail out. Palin talking to another rich s.o.b. is just typical of what most running for office do-reassuring them they have their ear in financial matters, which is what got us into this mess in the first place. Or maybe she’s just cutting out the middlemen lobbyists and going directly to the source of the money that’s stuffing their pockets. Thanks Mr. Deregulator, for more of the same.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:19 amSarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night. “He gave her a pat on the back … and said to her, ‘Thank you very much’” as she slid into the back of a waiting SUV wearing “a radiant smile,” Politico reports.
Can I just say…..EEEWWWWWWWW.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:19 amSarah Palin schmoozed with controversial media tycoon Rupert Murdoch at a swanky charity gala” in New York Wednesday night.
Do you think they discussed hair dyeing tips?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:22 amThis financial “crisis” follows exactly Grover Norquist’s prescription for shrinking government to the size it can be drowned in the bathtub.
ANY ‘bail-out’ will necessarily provide the (rhetorical, if not ‘factual’) rationale for cutting ‘expendable’ services like Social Security, Medicare, and all the social programs detested by the Elitocrats. Kiss ‘good-bye’ to any dreams you had for Universal Health Care.
This crisis is nothing more than the pretext to collapse the ’service’ side of the Govt, and strengthen the ’security’ side.
We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO phuqued…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:22 amCondoleezza Rice admitted to discussing torture techniques in the White House, “You should see some of the devices that Dick Cheney has installed in the basement.”
September 25th, 2008 at 9:23 amHowever, reporters began asking [Michael Douglas] questions about the current financial crisis, because of his role as fictional banker Gordon Gekko in the 1987 film “Wall Street.”
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These are probably the same reporters who ask Alan Alda about bowel resections, or ask William Shatner about exploration of the universe. There are no doubt some television watchers with double-digit IQs who can’t discern reality from fiction, but I expect more from professional members of the media.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:23 amtokin librul Says:
This financial “crisis” follows exactly Grover Norquist’s prescription for shrinking government to the size it can be drowned in the bathtub.
ANY ‘bail-out’ will necessarily provide the (rhetorical, if not ‘factual’) rationale for cutting ‘expendable’ services like Social Security, Medicare, and all the social programs detested by the Elitocrats. Kiss ‘good-bye’ to any dreams you had for Universal Health Care.
This crisis is nothing more than the pretext to collapse the ’service’ side of the Govt, and strengthen the ’security’ side.
We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO phuqued…
Actually, it is the FORCED PRIVATIZATION Of Social Security. We decided to NOT do it electively, and boooosh the traitor said: No Effing way, it will be done (in fact I think he DID way that somewhere along the way.) And now voila’ we have the make believe bailout with a number that they pulled out of the asses. $700 Billion, why not $37.98? It is all bullsh|t.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:26 amLobbyists for the financial industry are engaged in a “feeding frenzy.” Wall Street firms, commercial banks, and insurers are lobbying on an array of issues — “from beating back proposals to make it easier to reduce mortgage debts in bankruptcy courts to fighting, unsuccessfully so far, to retain control over executive pay.”
I still don’t get the influence of lobbyists. If I’m a congressman sitting in my office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that” my immediate reaction would be to tell him to get the f uck out of my office. I couldn’t fathom bypassing the collective desires of the people I represent for a corporate lackey’s.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:28 amspencers mom Says
September 25th, 2008 at 9:13 am
How will Sarah Palin be received in Alaska on November 5th?
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Will Alaskans even notice if she’s there? Considering how much time she’s spent on the job, they seem pretty accustomed to having her absent.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:28 amGeez, Grampy is on teevee right now, and his intro remarks at the Clinton Global Initiative included this statement:
“I’d would rather build a bridge to nowhere, and put it square in the middle of Sedona, Arizona than take money from teachers and farmers and small business owners to line the pockets of the Wall Street crowd that got us here in the first place.”
I kid you not, he really said those words, verbatim. What the fluck is the point of such a statement?
Talk about an incoherent old man…
PEACE
September 25th, 2008 at 9:30 amConnecticut Democrats, angry that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) is campaigning for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and criticizing Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), “agreed Wednesday to circulate a resolution to censure the veteran politician.”
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Chances that Lieberman will survive another re-election campaign? Very low, and dropping all the time…
I predict retirement in 2012.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:33 amHey it is after 9:30. Shouldn’t them_libs have posted a whole pile of random shit by now?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:33 amLobbyists for the financial industry are engaged in a “feeding frenzy.” Wall Street firms, commercial banks, and insurers are lobbying on an array of issues — “from beating back proposals to make it easier to reduce mortgage debts in bankruptcy courts to fighting, unsuccessfully so far, to retain control over executive pay.”
**You have got to click in the link and take a look at the charts at the end of the article. The donations from financial institutions is HUGE — every committee member hearing the bailout proposal has benefited. Until every lobbyist in Washington is banned and we go to public financing for all candidates, we will never get any reforms. How can this happen when the very people who benefit by this are the ones making the laws?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:33 amMcWars Says: I still don’t get the influence of lobbyists. If I’m a congressman sitting in my office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that” my immediate reaction would be to tell him to get the f uck out of my office. I couldn’t fathom bypassing the collective desires of the people I represent for a corporate lackey’s.
McWars Says:
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Lobbyists for the financial industry are engaged in a “feeding frenzy.” Wall Street firms, commercial banks, and insurers are lobbying on an array of issues — “from beating back proposals to make it easier to reduce mortgage debts in bankruptcy courts to fighting, unsuccessfully so far, to retain control over executive pay.”
I think it’s more like you’re a congressman sitting in your office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, with a lot of gifts, cash for your re-election campiagn, a free vacation, hookers, and/or whatever tempts you (you did say you were a congressman :), and says: “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that”, wink, wink, nod, nod…
But, clearly you’re not a Congressman :)
September 25th, 2008 at 9:34 amdbadass Says: Hey it is after 9:30. Shouldn’t them_libs have posted a whole pile of random shit by now?
Considering they are down to the 19%ers now, he probably got to sleep in for working so hard cutting and pasting the desperate nutjob talking points yesterday…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:38 amoh, that sarah… she can wow the boys, huh…
but she didn’t fool katie couric… that was rich:
“I’ll try to find ya some and I’ll bring ‘em to ya.”
sa-NIPpy!
September 25th, 2008 at 9:39 amThis makes me wonder why Paulson, Bernanke, GDumbya and McNumbNuts are running around with their hair on fire (okay, maybe not Paulson because he doesn’t have any).
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/9/24/are-paulson-bernanke-overhyping-the-danger.html
September 25th, 2008 at 9:39 amMcWars Says
September 25th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I still don’t get the influence of lobbyists. If I’m a congressman sitting in my office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that” my immediate reaction would be to tell him to get the f uck out of my office. I couldn’t fathom bypassing the collective desires of the people I represent for a corporate lackey’s.
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Yes, but what if the random guy says, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to give your campaign fund a gazillion dollars.”? This is how young, idealistic politicians who truly want to make the world a better place are seduced (and yes, it happens in both parties). And they become old, jaded fossils who hear only the siren song of their lobbyist contributors. In fact, some become so tight with their lobbyist buddies that when they run for president, the lobbyists run their campaign…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:40 amFreedom Rebel Says:
The bill that they are referring to in the article is, H.R. 5244, is called the Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights and was introduced in February by U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. This is the first time a congressional committee has ever passed consumer protections for credit card holders. Of course, it is a Democrat looking out for us. While, the Republicans are spending all their time trying to figure out new ways of robbing us blind. Is it any wonder why some Americans are in debt over their heads.
And the sad thing is these people will vote for a Republican. I think a lot about why they do that, voting against their own best interest. I know some are for god, guns and gays, but others aren’t. I think that some people vote Republican because somehow they think that by doing so somehow allows them the keys to the kingdom, if they can just find it. If they vote for a Democrat, they will have to admit to themselves that the Republicans have been screwing them for years and that there is no hope for them ever becoming a millionaire.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:41 amEconomists To Nancy Pelosi: Don’t Rush Wall Street Bailout
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/25/economists-to-nancy-pelosi-dont-rush-wall-street-bailout/
September 25th, 2008 at 9:41 amdbadass Says:
Hey it is after 9:30. Shouldn’t them_libs have posted a whole pile of random shit by now?
That particular troll reminded me a lot of goon_golly.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:42 amI didn’t have the opportunity to post in the key threads yesterday, so I’ll post my thoughts here.
The right is desperate for confidence, and I don’t care what they say. From the cadence in his voice while making the announcement to the campaign’s desire to move Friday’s and Biden/Palin debate, McCain’s stunt was 100% Campaign First.
I almost let his attempt to get out of the first debate pass until hearing that UMiss had paid millions in set-up and that they opposed the rescheduling, and that the campaign wants to move to the presidential debate to where the VP’s debate is supposed to take place — with no immediate rescheduling for Biden-Palin.
This isn’t fishy, it’s f ucked up. Win-at-all-costs makes for a very dangerous candidate.
A major poll last night (heard on Colmes) showed that 90% disapproved of McCain intention to move the debates.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:44 ami commented last night, after dubya’s speech:
just to be sure, i did notice the “fear factor” he included, though i didn’t think it was as hyper as his usual…
Bush Amps Up The Fear Factor In Economic Speech
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/25/bush-amps-up-the-fear-factor-in-economic-speech/
frankly, i’m more worried about what his meeting with the presidential candidates will bring…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:47 amAre there no Canons of Ethics for military prosecutors?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:48 amUnb. and Miss H. Molly, thanks for the laughs and education this morning. Good morning to both of you.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:48 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: And the sad thing is these people will vote for a Republican.
I don’t do that anymore, but when I used to, it was only because my parents did it, and most people have been culturally indocrinated to do what their parents taught them to do (has to do with brain development).
I had no idea why I was a Republican, or a Catholic, or anything else for that matter. I simply was. It wasn’t until I questioned it all that I decided to be something else.
I think most people don’t ever question it. It’s painful to question yourself and then admit that you were wrong. Just easier to believe the fairytales and blame the damn liberal media and godless liberals for why your 17 year old is pregnant and gas is $4.50 a gallon….
September 25th, 2008 at 9:49 amHappy Bithday, Gordon, er uh, Michael Douglas!
September 25th, 2008 at 9:50 amMcWars,
I still don’t get the influence of lobbyists. If I’m a congressman sitting in my office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that”
The Lobbyists are USUALLY people who have worked in the offices of the people they lobby, and KNOW where the bodies are buried. And THAT is part of the pressure to SEE the lobbyist in the first place, and then makes it a little more OK to take their money.
Lobbying, especially Corporate lobbying for laws (since corporations do not vote, all corporate lobbying regarding policies of politics should be unlawful for corporations) Corporate influence and “Freedon of Speech” for corporations sould be limited to SELLING their product, PERIOD.
There is an amendment to this piece of shit bailout bill, I could live with.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:51 amhttp://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/criminal-witness-tampering-in-troopergate/
This could be really fun. Alaskans don’t take it kindly when outsiders horn in and try to take over. It’s nice to see that they are talking about fighting back.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:51 amAnd what will McKeating add to the conversation–more deregulation? Keep the golden parachutes? Or will he just be nodding off in the corner?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:52 amApparently the Alaskans are getting really mad at Sarah Palin and the negative spotlight she and the McCain campaign are shining on Alaska.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/alaskans-for-truth-are-hopping-mad/
September 25th, 2008 at 9:53 amMcWars Says: Unb. and Miss H. Molly, thanks for the laughs and education this morning. Good morning to both of you.
I keep telling myself that it’s better to laugh than to cry…. :)
Good morning to you as well!
I saw some online polls that showed that the Republican-biased opinions on the campaigns are getting fed up with McCain’s “flight” tactics (his “fight” tactics weren’t working so well), because they see through his motives.
Guess 8 years of George W. Bush will do that to a population…
September 25th, 2008 at 9:53 amthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
And what will McKeating add to the conversation–more deregulation? Keep the golden parachutes? Or will he just be nodding off in the corner?
It will be like the kid in the driver’s seat of the car: “See mommy I can drive too.”
September 25th, 2008 at 9:54 amAnd Alaska is being run now by the republican reelection campaign to the point where they can’t do anything unless it’s ran by them for approval. Nice. Now Alaska’s %*&$#-ed!
September 25th, 2008 at 9:54 amAbout the “Bailout”
The banks get our (borrowed) tax dollars to make up the difference between what you owe and what your house is currently worth, and they get your house through foreclosure. Sweet. For the banks.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:57 amMcWars Says:
…..wants to move to the presidential debate to where the VP’s debate is supposed to take place — with no immediate rescheduling for Biden-Palin.
This isn’t fishy, it’s f ucked up. Win-at-all-costs makes for a very dangerous candidate.
I think two things happened yesterday to send the McCain campaign into panic mode. The first was the polls showing him behind 9 points and the second was they got a look at the Katie Couric tape and realized that there was no hope for Sarah Palin. I believe their main objective was to get the VP debate canceled.
So, McCain is in a bit of a pickle now. The Democrats have announced that they are very close to a deal on the bailout and that they don’t need McCain’s help. So what is he going to use as an excuse to get out of the debate now?
September 25th, 2008 at 9:59 amWhat Wall street wants is simply for the taxpayers to give them lots of money. They want tus to buy all these bad loans they made, making it our problem, at enough of a premium so that they can go back to business as usual. No restructuring, no oversight. Absolutely nothing done to guard against it happening again–which of course is a big encouragement that it will.
If you wreck the Porsche, and Daddy simplybuys you another Porsche, have the odds that you will wreck the Porsche again gone up? Mmmm–could be!
What people like Krugman and Dean Baker have been urging is that we don’t buy the bad debt, we buy the company–at least in part. We become investors in the company, keeping them alive–and laying down the law.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:59 amMe, I don’t have a problem with that. When you wreck the Porsche, you get driven to school–in a Porsche.
State rep seeks witness-tampering probe in Palin inquiry
September 25th, 2008 at 9:59 amhttp://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/palin.investigation/index.html
OT, but did anyone hear the Couric/Palin interview?
Seriously, is there anyone on this board (excluding trolls) who couldn’t have done a better job than Palin did? I swear, she has less knowledge of issues than any of us, let alone the capacity for critical thought.
Sorry, I don’t want an(other) “average American” near the White House. I want an ELITE American taking the helm.
PEACE
September 25th, 2008 at 10:00 amHank ‘Chicken Little’ Paulson & Ben ‘Bear’ Bernacke are assuring all of us the sky is falling.
W is afraid the sky may land on him.
McGeritol sees a way to avoid an actual debate on issues.
Palin is kissing Murdoch’s ass & Bristol is still pregnant.
In other news today…
September 25th, 2008 at 10:01 amYou know unb., I’m getting sick of this man’s shoot-from-the-hip commando headset in running his campaign. Didn’t his own campaign lackey say a while back, “we’ll do whatever we feel we need to win”?
He doesn’t get to pull Obama’s strings. I think Obama is more than capable of multi-tasking.
His move is not even making a big impact now, so this will undoubtedly backfire as Friday passes with no debate – especially if the Biden-Palin debate doesn’t take place. They don’t want to lose momentum (or any more of it) at any cost, even if it comes at the cost of democracy.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:08 amdemocracy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!
McWars you crack me up.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:08 amThis might be a cheap shot but then Sarah Palin is a cheap shot. Wonder how that (70’s? 80’s?) hairdo and those glasses went with a glamorous outfit fitting for the Murdochs’ company. Any photographs out there? Dying to see. God, she’s a piece of work! Embrarassing to see her “schmoozing” with world leaders at the UN.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:16 amI wonder what would happen if Obama made a proposal to McCain something along the lines of agreeing to postpone Friday’s debate ONLY if they SWAP dates with the VP nominees. I’d love it not because I think it would actually happen, but I’d love to hear McCain’s panicked response. It would show his hand if this stunt he pulled was in fact an attempt to delay the VP debate. If the Senators are indeed too busy, why not let the potential VPs fill the slot?
September 25th, 2008 at 10:16 amBilbo — So, McCain is in a bit of a pickle now. The Democrats have announced that they are very close to a deal on the bailout and that they don’t need McCain’s help. So what is he going to use as an excuse to get out of the debate now?
Thanks for the update. I just hope the final deal isn’t anywhere close to $700B. I have my reservations about any deal, for one, that doesn’t repair our economy from the ground-up. That is, powerful homeowner assistance.
People are very eager to see Sarah served up to Biden, and I know it’s batshit fascism the flake’s campaign attempts to deny the American people what they want to see.
I hope Biden skips breakfast and lunch on debate day, because he’s going to have a very big dinner.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:18 amAlecto Says:
democracy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!
McWars you crack me up.
Er – quasi-fascism?
Wait, that may only make you laugh harder..
September 25th, 2008 at 10:20 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Of course, it is a Democrat looking out for us. While, the Republicans are spending all their time trying to figure out new ways of robbing us blind. Is it any wonder why some Americans are in debt over their heads.
And the sad thing is these people will vote for a Republican. I think a lot about why they do that, voting against their own best interest. I know some are for god, guns and gays, but others aren’t. I think that some people vote Republican because somehow they think that by doing so somehow allows them the keys to the kingdom, if they can just find it. If they vote for a Democrat, they will have to admit to themselves that the Republicans have been screwing them for years and that there is no hope for them ever becoming a millionaire.
Good Morning Bilbo:) You point out very valid reasons why some people delude themselves into voting for Republicans. The one that gets me the most is Capital Gains Tax, like the average person could ever take advantage of this. Most are barely holding on to their homes and have bills stacked up, like when did saving money and investing become a big part of their lives… never..most don’t have the money. Statistics show that many of the people who leave a job spend all of their 401K money they saved for retirement.. Plus, the average person now changes jobs 7 times before they retire.
I own stock and I would never use that excuse of Capital Gains Tax issue to cloud my judgement of the big picture. My husband has to listen to that argument by the people he works with all the time.. You will love this one, they sent him a picture of Obama’s plane and said how unpatriotic is was that he didn’t have the American Flag on it… They said that was another reason they were not going to vote for him. (His company has 200 employees and he is one of the few Democrats working there) Bilbo, I truly find it amazing and sad how many excuses these people come up with not to vote for Obama and absolutely none of them make any sense whatsoever to me..
Good to see you, have a good day…
September 25th, 2008 at 10:27 amMcWars Says
September 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am
This isn’t fishy, it’s f ucked up. Win-at-all-costs makes for a very dangerous candidate.
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McCain’s stunt backfired on him far more badly than he could ever have dreamed. Let’s take a look at the scoreboard:
1. His attempt to paint Obama as caring more about getting elected than about the financial crisis was smacked down by Obama with a response that was mature, classy, and statesmanlike.
2. His attempt to duck out of the Letterman show resulted in David Letterman (aided by Keith Olbermann) making him look not only like a fool, but by showing McCain getting interviewed by Couric, they exposed his stunt for what it was. And people of both parties watch Letterman, so this was costly.
3. The sudden perceived need for him to drop everything he’s doing and rush to Washington was smacked down by Reid, who said McCain not only isn’t needed, but would be an unwelcome distraction. This just highlighted McCain’s status as an absentee Senator who has become irrelevant, as well as further exposed his stunt for what it was.
4. His desire to move his debate into the slot scheduled for the veep debate didn’t fool anyone. Americans KNOW this is a maneuver to keep Palin from being exposed as the incompetent she is — McCain isn’t fooling anyone. And this was further underscored by Palin’s disastrous performance with Katie Couric.
5. Every poll taken on the subject is showing that Americans don’t agree that McCain should skip debating on schedule, so Americans don’t buy what McCain’s trying to sell. They want the debate, and consider it important.
The sum total result of McCain’s stunt? The debate will go on with or without him (he loses either way), he has been made a laughing stock, and he will further tank in the polls.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:27 amMcWars Says: You know unb., I’m getting sick of this man’s shoot-from-the-hip commando headset in running his campaign. Didn’t his own campaign lackey say a while back, “we’ll do whatever we feel we need to win”?
You’re right – they only care about winning. It doesn’t matter how. They seem to be able to rationaize the ‘how’, as long as they can call themselves the ‘winners’. It’s not only become pathetic and desperate, but dangerous.
If it weren’t for the grassroots political internet network, I think he would have gotten away with every last bit of it, and won the election.
I know a lot of fence sitters who were leaning McCain that are now decidedly voting for Obama because of the last two weeks of revelations about McCain and Palin.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:32 amGood news for those of us in North Carolina — the first real evidence that our red state is turning blue for the first time since 1976.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2008_north_carolina_presidential_election
Rasmussen’s latest poll shows Obama ahead of McCain by two points. This is the first poll that puts Obama ahead. We are working hard to get out the Obama vote here, so more polls should follow.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:33 ammisshusseinmolly
Thank you for working so hard to get the word out for Obama. Obviously so much depends on it. Thank you to everyone who is doing the same. We just have to keep it up so the sheeple don’t get complacent again.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:37 am“Ironically, the intervention could even trigger additional failures of large institutions, because some institutions may be carrying troubled assets on their books at inflated values,” Peter Orszag said”…………..Do you think!!!!!
September 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amAlecto – Unless, they know something that we don’t which could be….
That this “bailout” is not going to do squat, and the TRUE October surprise is that the country will meltdown while Congress (Democrats) get hammered for passing a “watered down” version of the dictatorial bill ahnded down from the Traitor-In-Chief boooosh on Sunday. And, in effect McLame knows that Matial law is about 2 weeks away so he has been given notice to head for the bunker.
I am getting some good mileage out of this tin foil hat. I hope my Chinese version does not have too much lead in it?
I’m not sure that you are wearing a tin foil hat, but see the machinations of this administration pretty clearly. Long comment, but please read. The only disagreement I have with Alecto that the surprise is more likely to occur when either the Presidential elections are “postponed,” or a coup occurs because Obama wins the elections.
From Max-1 in the earlier thread:
Oh, BTW…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnPS2ho-_6w
Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.
O C T O B E R
S U R P R I S E!!!
Recent legislative events
HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Section 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1807 wording, under Public Law 110-181 (H.R. 4986, Section 1068)
President Bush Signs H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 into Law
Today, I have signed into law H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. The Act authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, for military construction, and for national security-related energy programs.
Provisions of the Act, including sections 841, 846, 1079, and 1222, purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the President’s ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as Commander in Chief. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 28, 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
September 25th, 2008 at 10:39 amA Patriot Acting Says
September 25th, 2008 at 10:16 am
I wonder what would happen if Obama made a proposal to McCain something along the lines of agreeing to postpone Friday’s debate ONLY if they SWAP dates with the VP nominees. I’d love it not because I think it would actually happen, but I’d love to hear McCain’s panicked response. It would show his hand if this stunt he pulled was in fact an attempt to delay the VP debate. If the Senators are indeed too busy, why not let the potential VPs fill the slot?
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Great idea, since Biden is most likely ready (he could easily defeat Palin using only a fraction of his wits) and Palin obviously is not (judging from her interview with Katie Couric).
Of course, when Palin tanks in her debate (and she will, no matter when it’s held), her spinmeisters will claim that debating skill really isn’t needed for her job — just like they’ve already claimed that foreign policy experience isn’t needed for the job, or the ability to run a corporation isn’t needed for the job.
They would have us believe that the only requirement to be VPOTUS is to come from an oil-rich state (which makes you an “energy expert”, dontcha know?).
September 25th, 2008 at 10:40 ammisshusseinmolly Says: Rasmussen’s latest poll shows Obama ahead of McCain by two points. This is the first poll that puts Obama ahead. We are working hard to get out the Obama vote here, so more polls should follow.
Excellent news, though I still think that it’s a bigger lead than the polls reflect.
For one, we know who they polls and how. Secondly, they don’t include the Bob Barr factor (as you know a lot of Southern conservatives are Libertarain Conservatives). And third of all, they don’t yet reflect the wave of ‘word of mouth’ advertizing that will make it worse for McCain than initial reactions show.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:41 amWhat did we miss? (How come TP never says this anymore?)
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/criminal-witness-tampering-in-troopergate/
This whole Troopergate mess just keeps getting uglier and uglier. If Palin truly did not misuse her powers to get back at her former brother-in-law, she should have not only cooperated fully with all investigations, but she should have urged that the matter be cleared up with as much transparency and speed as possible to get this matter behind her.
Instead, Palin and the entire McCain team is doing everything they can to look as guilty as possible. How can this possibly be considered a smart move, unless they would look even worse when the truth eventually comes out?
September 25th, 2008 at 10:53 amgummitch Says:
dbadass Says:
Hey it is after 9:30. Shouldn’t them_libs have posted a whole pile of random shit by now?
That particular troll reminded me a lot of goon_golly.
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that particular troll
probably was goon_golly.
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September 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amhttp://mudflats.wordpress.com/ I know! Why don’t we have looney Rev Moothy pray over this economic crisis and make it all go away….and as long as he’s ridding the world, and Sarah Palin, from the evils of witchcraft,maybe he could make McCain AND Palin disappear! Friggin’ SCARY!!
September 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amMcCut-n-Run ought to just fold his raggedy old tent and go home – while he still has a thimbleful of dignity left.
September 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amMy head is spinning..please make it stop! Keep working hard to out these idiots and put Obama in the Oval Office…Stop the World…I want to get off!
September 25th, 2008 at 11:00 amSo far Obama has not really said anything helpful to the Congress to help stiffen their spines. We need to have accountability and bancruptcy protection built in to the bill. I understand that Obama has only talked about oversight (which is not accountability), and said that bancruptcy protection should not be part of this bill. NO, the average person need not worry, let the trustworthy government just take this money and hand it over to paulson and whomever is the next Secretary of the Treasury. After all, Congress had oversight of the secret wiretaps and look what that did for us. A textbook case of the Shock Doctrine.
September 25th, 2008 at 11:32 amI still don’t get the influence of lobbyists. If I’m a congressman sitting in my office crafting legislation and a random guy walks in, “Hi, I’m from Pfizer, Inc. and I’d like to help you with that” my immediate reaction would be to tell him to get the f uck out of my office. I couldn’t fathom bypassing the collective desires of the people I represent for a corporate lackey’s.
You’re leaving out an essential dimension: The lobbyist, on departing, leaves an envelope on your desk with a couple of dozen thousand $$$ in low-denomination, unmarked bills…
That’s how it works…
September 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pmToo late!
September 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm$5 million spent by Ole Miss for the debate Friday night. Isn’t that the amount of money that raises you out of middle class to McCrazy.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pmWhat exactly went on in that backseat with Murdoch and Pailin, hmmmmmmm?
September 25th, 2008 at 12:33 pmPalin won’t reveal her finances until after debate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_el_pr/palin_finances;_ylt=ApU2hXcyK1C.GG.eMdgbOSnCw5R4
September 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pmHaaretz reported on Israeli President Shimon Peres’ interview with Israel Radio. The article stated:
The United States has no choice but to save the world by stopping Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
http://arisfreedomswitch.blogspot.com/2008/09/peres-says-us-has-no-choice-but-to-save.html
September 25th, 2008 at 12:43 pmstateofthedivision Says:
The United States has no choice but to save the world by stopping Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
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Democracy Now has done a quite fascinating interview with Ahmedinejad that they’re airing in two parts, today and tomorrow. It’s required listening for anyone who wants to prevent World War III.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:49 pmspencers mom Says:
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OT, but did anyone hear the Couric/Palin interview?
Seriously, is there anyone on this board (excluding trolls) who couldn’t have done a better job than Palin did? I swear, she has less knowledge of issues than any of us, let alone the capacity for critical thought.
Sorry, I don’t want an(other) “average American” near the White House. I want an ELITE American taking the helm.
Yeah. The idea that she’s qualified because she was the mayor of a town of 5000 is laughable. How many towns are there in the US that have at least 5000? The number has to be in hundreds of thousands. does that mean there are hundreds of thousands of people who could be president? I have a question for all Americans who live in or near a town of 5000, and that is, do you want your mayor to be president?
September 25th, 2008 at 12:51 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
This whole Troopergate mess just keeps getting uglier and uglier.
How can this possibly be considered a smart move, unless they would look even worse when the truth eventually comes out?
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That was my thought too, misshusseinmolly. Perhaps what they’re really afraid of is some tangential issue or bit of behavior not directly connected to Troopergate that would nonetheless be revealed IF the entire shebang were made public.
The GOOPers most certainly APPEAR to be quite frightened of something here, huh?
September 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pmObama grant being probed
A $100,000 state grant for a botanic garden in Englewood that then-state Sen. Barack Obama awarded in 2001 to a group headed by a onetime campaign volunteer is now under investigation by the Illinois attorney general amid new questions, prompted by Chicago Sun-Times reports, about whether the money might have been misspent.
<a http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/florida-congressman-points-to-palin-to-rally-jews-to-obama/Democrat says Palin doesn’t care about Jews and blacks
Alcee Hastings says “anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks
PETA Urges Ben & Jerry’s To Use Human Milk
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sent a letter to Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, cofounders of Ben & Jerry’s Homemade Inc., urging them to replace cow’s milk they use in their ice cream products with human breast milk, according to a statement recently released by a PETA spokeswoman
September 25th, 2008 at 1:28 pmGODDAMN CRIMINAL LIARS, LOOTING OUR TREASURY AGAIN:
NEW YORK (CNN) — “I have great, great confidence in our capital markets and in our financial institutions. Our financial institutions, banks and investment banks, are strong. Our capital markets are resilient. They’re efficient. They’re flexible.”
– Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, March 16, 2008
“Our policy in this administration — laws shouldn’t bail out lenders, laws shouldn’t help speculators.”
– President Bush, May 19, 2008
“Our economy has continued growing, consumers are spending, business are investing, exports continue increasing and American productivity remains strong. We can have confidence in the long-term foundation of our economy…I think the system basically is sound. I truly do.”
– President Bush, July 15, 2008
September 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pmthem_libs Says:
You are a punk TROLL. Look over there, stop talking about the topic. You keep trying to derail topics you ignorant lint brained moron.
September 25th, 2008 at 3:23 pmsorry o/t, but riddle me this:
Refining capacity has been reduced (Gulf damage from hurricanes) which restricts supply causing gasoline shortages in the southeast.
So as the OPEC reduces it’s output and supply running tight, why are pump prices dropping?
Brought to you by Gasoline/Oil Price Manipulation for Dummies.
September 25th, 2008 at 3:54 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Connecticut Democrats, angry that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) is campaigning for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and criticizing Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), “agreed Wednesday to circulate a resolution to censure the veteran politician.”
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Chances that Lieberman will survive another re-election campaign? Very low, and dropping all the time…
I predict retirement in 2012.
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this guy thinks he’s like an army of ants at a picnic or a swarm of mosquitos in a camp site.
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