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White House Threatens Veto Of Second Stimulus Over Food Stamps And Unemployment Benefits

Today, the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released a statement of administrative policy today recommending Bush veto a proposed second stimulus package. The $56.2 billion package, announced yesterday, would extend unemployment benefits for seven weeks, increase food stamp benefits by 10 percent, and provide $50 million for food banks, among other proposals. This afternoon, Senate conservatives successfully blocked the bill, as the motion to proceed won 52 votes, eight shy of the necessary 60.

In the press briefing today, just an hour before the Senate vote, Dana Perino said the White House opposed the measure, specifically citing its extension of unemployment and food stamp benefits as explanation:

PERINO: There’s some elements of the package that have been put forward by Democrats that we do not think would be stimulative to the economy, such as unemployment insurance. The food stamps, we believe we have met the need.

Watch it:


In fact, the tanking economy has left more Americans in need of food assistance than ever, with 28 million Americans expected to receive food stamps this year, “the highest level since the aid program began in the 1960s.” At the same time, the purchasing power of food stamps has declined dramatically.

Alongside unemployment benefits and food stamps, the OMB also objected to a provision increasing infrastructure spending, arguing, “Infrastructure spending is never an effective means to create rapid stimulus.” However, a Center for American Progress study found that two million jobs could be created within two years through robust investment in green energy and infrastructure.



91 Responses to “White House Threatens Veto Of Second Stimulus Over Food Stamps And Unemployment Benefits”

  1. Badmoodman says:

    White House Threatens Veto Of Second Stimulus Over Food Stamps And Unemployment Benefits

    – - George wants to make sure his legacy is as a fiscal conservative.

    (cough).


  2. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    I’m getting the get adobe flash thingy again with no way to view the vid. This happened the day before yesterday, but didn’t happen yesterday.


  3. Uncle Ho says:

    Help to Wall Street drunks and CEO with “golden parachutes” NO limits

    Help to the hungry, homeless, and those with no health insurance, a big FU!

    “Compassionate Conservatism” at work

    “Those here are the haves and have mores. Some call you the elite, I call you my base” -George W. Bush


  4. tombaker says:

    Other goper rationalizations:

    “Goverment help is for millionaires and billionaires, not hungry children or their laid-off parents!!”

    “That money could be better used to kill children overseas who might grow up and not like us.”

    Enough!!!!!!!!! – Outlaw the GOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  5. Mr. Evil says:

    That’s right. Give reckless billionaires more billions and give those with nothing more nothing. That’s some more of George Bush’s good Christian values at work again.


  6. misshusseinmolly says:

    When was the last time the food stamps benefit was raised? Wasn’t it last year that a handful of Congressmen and women tried to live on food stamps for a week, just to see how difficult it would be? I recall they had great difficulty trying to eat on only $21 for the week (that’s $3 a DAY they were permitted to spend on food). And this year, with the price of gas skyrocketing, food costs are higher than ever.

    When food stamps were first introduced, they were designed as a supplement for a low-income family’s food budget. Now, because of the rising cost of everything else, they are often the low-income family’s ONLY food budget. Squeeze even tighter, and that low-income family has to cut back in other areas just to eat. Maxed out credit cards, bankruptcies, and even homelessness follow. All of which have a negative effect on the economy.

    How can Dana claim that food stamp relief wouldn’t be stimulating? Does she think poor families are going to take the excess and sock it away in an off-shore account somewhere? Oh, right — don’t blame her, she’s just parroting her boss.


  7. Uncle Ho says:

    my bad, in my haste, I left out disabled veterans.


  8. Cappy says:

    2 million jobs in 2 years, which means Obama would get credit for them. Bush White House can’t have that.


  9. Fred says:

    Be patient. The conservatives are on thier way out. This is just a last ditch effort on thier part….soon it will be history, a dark period in our past.


  10. Zooey says:

    Business as usual for scum-sucking Republicans.


  11. RUCerious says:

    Nothing more stimulating than having your unemployment insurance run out, fall behind on your mortgage, lose your house, send your dog to the animal shelter…

    Geez.


  12. RUCerious says:

    Uncle Ho, d’ya spose we could give those CEOs actual golden parachutes, and fling them out of a Huey at 1800 feet?


  13. McWars says:

    Corporate welfare is taking too much space in the Bush legacy scrapbook. No room for modest expenses that pays for itself, like education, nutrition and income help.

    We must provide incentives for hotshots to screw us over once again in 5-10 years. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.


  14. hanshiro says:

    $56.2 billion, compared to $700 billion….

    Damn, lower-income Americans are a bargain next to edumacated CEOs and executives. I say let the executives go belly-up, that way, they become much cheaper to support. Tres simple.

    (*Colbert-grab-hand*) Hey Wall Street, where’s my office?


  15. Queequeg says:

    There you are, unlimited bailout for Wall Street tycoons and telling the hungry to take a hike. They have a let them eat shit attitude. Talk about class warfare.


  16. Tenebrae says:

    Yeah, the only time Bu$h complains about spending is when it goes to “the people” as opposed to his big fat cat friends.

    If we American taxpayers are expected to bail out Wall Street to the tune of $700 Billion, why can’t we spend less than 8% of that amount to take care of actual people who are hurting under this economy?

    The rich keep getting richer, and the middle class is disapearing. Don’t think this is happening by chance. It’s the Bush/Cheney plan.


  17. bigeugene says:

    Let them eat cake!


  18. tokin librul says:

    Fred Says:
    Be patient. The conservatives are on thier way out. This is just a last ditch effort on thier part….soon it will be history, a dark period in our past.
    September 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    you believe that?

    man, i got a couple of matched hi-rise office buildings in lower manhattan i’d like you to take a look at…

    What’s “history” is Universal Health Care, and any other improvement in social services sponsored or in any way supported by Federal funds.

    This is Grover Norquist’s Wet Dream: the way to shrink Government–by which he meant social/discretionary spending–to the size it could be drowned in a bathtub.

    The bail-out is gonna fill dat tub to the brim…

    GLub-glub, brudda…


  19. McWars says:

    $30 billion out of a three trillion dollar budget is actually a very modest expense for a vital necessity, that of food. We could double that and it would still be reasonable.


  20. alphainfinityomega says:

    Do you ever wonder why the Right-wingers resort to Socialism after their trickle down policies fail?

    ¶ AIO


  21. DidHeJustSayThat says:

    Exactly, those things wouldn’t benefits OUR friends!


  22. DidHeJustSayThat says:

    bigeugene Says:

    Let them eat cake!

    Cake is a food product, they can’t afford that!


  23. DRxJ says:

    Okay, which party is it that spouts it’s affiliation with Christians?

    And what did Christ say about helping the poor, the hungry?

    So why does the right always get a pass for being false prophets?
    Why won’t the true Christians stand up to this nonsense?
    A bail out for the rich, and nothing for the poor?

    Jesus would NOT be proud.


  24. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    misshusseinmolly Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    When was the last time the food stamps benefit was raised? Wasn’t it last year that a handful of Congressmen and women tried to live on food stamps for a week, just to see how difficult it would be? I recall they had great difficulty trying to eat on only $21 for the week (that’s $3 a DAY they were permitted to spend on food). And this year, with the price of gas skyrocketing, food costs are higher than ever.

    misshusseinmolly,

    My mother has an elderly lady friend that is on Social Security and hardly gets anything from that. She is also sick. My mom told her that because she was on SS that she was automatically qualified to apply for food stamps. So, she goes down to the place and applies. How much does she get a month (not week) in food stamp help? $10.00. A whopping $10.00/month.

    My mother makes sure to invite her over at least three times a week and her friend’s son is always bringing something over for her to cook for him (she really doesn’t like hand outs) and “while you’re at it mom, make sure there’s enough for you”.


  25. stewarjt says:

    There is no way the government can afford food stamps and unemployment benefits and $700 Billion for Wall Street! The food stamps and unemployment benefits have be cut!


  26. dono says:

    Gee, that kinda looks bad doesnt it.

    We do have to watch every penny though, right? There are 70,000,000,000,000 pennies in the bailout (did I get the number of zeros right?).


  27. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    Haven’t read the above comments yet, but here’s the Bush administration’s policy objectives in these matters in a nutshell. Okay to borrow $700 billion (adding that to our national deficit) to bail out irresponsible lenders and investment companies, but NOT ok to borrow $56 billion to help the unemployed and hungry citizens of this country. The priorities of this “compassionate conservative” administration could not be any clearer.


  28. Uncle Ho says:

    RU; I’d be more inclined to hand them an anvil, and throw their butts out of a C-47 at 15,000 feet.


  29. dono says:

    700,000,000,000,000 pennies


  30. Fred says:

    tokin librul Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Fred Says:
    Be patient. The conservatives are on thier way out. This is just a last ditch effort on thier part….soon it will be history, a dark period in our past.
    September 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    you believe that?

    So you still believe that dems are the same? You still believe that dems will bring us:

    an unjustified war in Iraq costing us a trillion dollars

    a deficit that our grandchildren will still be paying.

    class warfare against the poor and minorities in our country.

    deregulation of everything

    etc.

    sorry, dems will once again prove to be much better at running things for the people than the reps. May not get everything we want but it will be night and day to what we have seen the last 8 years.


  31. McWars says:

    Darryl would be proud, DRxJ. He left a message on Jesus’ answering machine a long time ago, but Jesus deleted that shit without returning the call.


  32. Zooey says:

    I’ve noticed a distinct absence of short and warty trolls since this REPUBLICAN financial clusterf uck.

    Cowards.


  33. Zimzone says:

    Reminds me of McCainiac’s bridesmaid, Tim Pawlenty, governor of MN.

    Timmy hired a Colorado company to rebuild the fallen 35W bridge.
    Because they finished early, they’re getting a $25M ‘bonus’.

    Meanwhile, he’s made sure our State legislators capped the survivor benefits at $34M.

    In other words, bridge builders have a higher value than those injured or killed in the bridge collapse.

    Republicans…you can’t teach them, but killing them is illegal.


  34. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    Alongside unemployment benefits and food stamps, the OMB also objected to a provision increasing infrastructure spending, arguing, “Infrastructure spending is never an effective means to create rapid stimulus.” However, a Center for American Progress study found that two million jobs could be created within two years through robust investment in green energy and infrastructure.

    The extension of unemployment benefits would allow those who are unemployed to attempt to SPEND MONEY to support themselves (contributing to the economy). Indeed, infrastructure spending would not be an IMMEDIATE fix, but is a long-term investment in this country…and puts people to work. The entire problem with this administration is their short-term (and frequently political) views, and lack of anything we can define as long-term. This administration wants ONE thing. To “fix” the economy before Bush leaves office. What happens after than (probably even a greater collapse because of the lack of long-tem planning) is NOT their problem. And they could care less what happens to the American people. They don’t even need their votes anymore. So screw’em.


  35. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    RUCerious Says:

    Uncle Ho, d’ya spose we could give those CEOs actual golden parachutes, and fling them out of a Huey at 1800 feet?

    Forget the parachutes.


  36. SWBob says:

    Alongside unemployment benefits and food stamps, the OMB also objected to a provision increasing infrastructure spending, arguing, “Infrastructure spending is never an effective means to create rapid stimulus.”

    Well, looking at the current state of the economy, I would think the WH and OMB bushies might have a second thought about their stimulus skills. Oh, that’s right, having thoughts required thinking. . .


  37. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    Queequeg Says:

    There you are, unlimited bailout for Wall Street tycoons and telling the hungry to take a hike. They have a let them eat shit attitude. Talk about class warfare.

    Think French Revolution.


  38. tokin librul says:

    Fred,
    Spouting bromides won’t change the fact that the only differences between the two wings of the Party of Property–the Right wing (Dims) and the VERY RIGHT wing–are the wedge issues which are designed and exist only to make credulous folks THINK there are really meaningful differences between ‘em.
    “Hope” is an invaluable propaganda tool. It blinds folks to reality.
    You’ve got the ‘hopeful’ propaganda down, brudda.
    Examine their fundamental principles.
    More “Homeland Security”
    More military adventurism.
    More corporatism.
    Less service for the taxes collected…
    Less liberty.
    Less Social Security, medicare, etc…


  39. Frosty Cupcake says:

    Fred:

    (Hello, Fred!)

    I certainly put more faith in the Democrats than the Republicans, but I’m not convinced of an Obama win in November. Too much voter suppression going on in some of the Republican-controlled states . . .

    So while I believe the conservatives deserve to lose, I’m not convinced they will.


  40. RUCerious says:

    ImpeachBothCriminals ~ I figure the actual gold parachute would weigh them down a little, and they could have some comfort stroking it’s shiny surface prior to splattering down.

    Of course, we’d recover the parachute afterwards.


  41. tokin librul says:

    Forget the parachutes.
    September 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    back in the Nam days, there were stories about Army interrogators taking several prisoners up in Hueys, and tossing ‘em out, one at a time, til one talked.
    They machine-gunned the ones they tossed out, on grounds they were ‘trying to escape.’
    AH, memories…good times, good times…


  42. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    alphainfinityomega Says:

    Do you ever wonder why the Right-wingers resort to Socialism after their trickle down policies fail?

    No. We’ve seen them use socialism when it pertains to protecting and supporting corporations, ie., oil companies, otherwise known as welfare for the rich. They will use socialism or whatever it takes, to protect the wealthy of this country and their ideology that centers around the free market and capitalism. Including the incipient, boil the frog type of authoritarianism we’ve seen escalate in the past 8 years. Or religion, specifically, Christianity. These people will do, and use, whatever it takes to hold onto POWER.


  43. Rich H says:

    If these bastards won’t extend unemployment, food stamps and money for food banks – all due to their policies just like the collapse of wall street and approve the bailout then they all should lose their election bids.
    Everyone of them. It’s too bad we can’t just through them in jail. Haven’t they hurt this country enough?


  44. MCMetal says:

    Nothing says “leadership” and “compassionate” more than punishing those with the least amongst us while rewarding those with the most , and who are truly undeserving ; nice going , jackass ……..


  45. them_libs says:

    Food Stamps Bad For the Economy

    Republicans in the Senate have blocked a plan by Democrats to pump $56 billion in government spending into the economy through public works projects, help for the jobless and money for states struggling with their Medicaid bills.


  46. Rich H says:

    I meant throw not through.


  47. Uncle Ho says:

    impeachcheneythenbush;

    It’s long past time to break out the guillotines.


  48. Fred says:

    tokin librul Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Fred,
    Spouting bromides won’t change the fact that the only differences between the two wings of the Party of Property–the Right wing (Dims) and the VERY RIGHT wing–are the wedge issues which are designed and exist only to make credulous folks THINK there are really meaningful differences between ‘em.
    “Hope” is an invaluable propaganda tool. It blinds folks to reality.
    You’ve got the ‘hopeful’ propaganda down, brudda.
    Examine their fundamental principles.
    More “Homeland Security”
    More military adventurism.
    More corporatism.
    Less service for the taxes collected…
    Less liberty.
    Less Social Security, medicare, etc…

    Those have never been the values of democrats and it is offensive for you to try to attach them to dems.

    just one item to make my point……when was the minimum wage increased and why and how long had it been since it had changed.

    Oh, and who saved our social security from being privitized? guess you think the good republicans did that because what….you think they are now representing American people for a change……your attitude is odd to say the least.

    Life is much different under democratic rule than it is under the republicans….it is a historic fact. How can you argue that?

    Frosty, I have the same fears but am trying to keep them under control.


  49. hussein toasterhead says:

    dono Says:

    700,000,000,000,000 pennies

    September 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    _____

    You had it right the first time. 700,000,000,000 x 100 = 70,000,000,000,000.


  50. RUCerious says:

    tokin@#42

    Those weren’t just stories.
    Been there, seen it.

    Not so much the machine gunning part, but the other, yup.


  51. Doc Rock says:

    Then tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine! Game called because of greedy, elitist lack of compassion for the taxpayers they wish to stick with their mess.


  52. texaslady says:

    Infrastructure spending doesn’t provide stimulus ? Well it sure did when FDR put The New Deal in place. How many, many structures trace back to that time ? And how many people began to be able to eat, and provide for their families with those policies.
    Cheap stimulus check no, but Food Stamps and extended unemployment checks now that will put money back into our sagging economy.


  53. had enough says:

    We the People pay the taxes and are expected to bail out the ones that screw us but not give an adequate safety net to save US, save our lives?

    What is this crap?


  54. pointus says:

    If ever there was a “pitchfork moment”, this is it.

    How satisfying it must have been (after witnessing similar, Perino-esque arrogance toward the poor) for the French proletariat to see France’s royalty and wealthy business elite lose their heads.


  55. 666lattes says:

    them_lies:

    “Food Stamps Bad For the Economy”

    And people starving to death is good, how exactly?


  56. RUCerious says:

    Gotta wonder if them_labia ever went hungry, really hungry for a week or a month?


  57. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

    Uh, help me here. Perino is saying people who need food stamps better off in the long run than. I know the Law of diminidhing returns but WTF.


  58. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

  59. kasinca says:

    Help Wall Street but not mainstreet. That is the republican way. I am listening to the lying congressman Cantor lying on MSNBC right now. These guys are the cause of the problem and sure as hell do not know how to fix it.


  60. MCMetal says:

    them_libs Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Food Stamps Bad For the Economy

    Republicans in the Senate have blocked a plan by Democrats to pump $56 billion in government spending into the economy through public works projects, help for the jobless and money for states struggling with their Medicaid bills.

    September 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Some economists have claimed that the CRA encouraged risky lending and contributed to the development of the subprime debacle. However, this is disputed, as Robert Gordon has pointed out that approximately half of the loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and thus had no government obligation to offer credit to minorities. In the later part of the crisis, these mortgage companies made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA banks. Another third of the major subprime lenders were regulated, but had very little CRA involvement. Gordon also makes the argument that the weakening of the CRA in 2004 was followed by intensified subprime lending.

    Part 1 ……………..


  61. MCMetal says:

    them_libs Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Food Stamps Bad For the Economy

    Republicans in the Senate have blocked a plan by Democrats to pump $56 billion in government spending into the economy through public works projects, help for the jobless and money for states struggling with their Medicaid bills.

    September 26th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    PART 2………….

    Congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has partially attributed the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis to legislation such as the CRA.Economist Stan Liebowitz has also expressed his opinion that banks were forced to loan to un-credit worthy consumers with “no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant’s ability to make payments; no down payment.” However, the chief executive of Countrywide Financial, the nation’s largest mortgage lender, is said to have “bragged” that to approve minority applications “lenders have had to stretch the rules a bit”, suggesting that Countrywide was responsible for relaxing its standards rather than the other way around.


  62. CageyCretin says:

    No deals, then. Can’t help the PEOPLE with THE PEOPLE’S TAX DOLLARS, then why in the name of rotten cabbage should we save Wall Street? By the by, this “critical and urgent” bailout is not really as “critical and urgent” as Bush “the-sky-is-falling” wants us to believe. Remeber your history, particularly when it comes to Bush screaming for immediate and unconsidered action. On the other hand, it HAS worked for them the last 9 or 10 times they’ve done this act, so it is really not all that illogical for them to have planned on it working this time.

    NO BAILOUTS FOR WALL STREET!!!!!!!!!!


  63. ThomasMc says:

    A trillion dollar handout to the filthy-rch, but not even a pittance to the poor. This is CLASS WARFARE, and it’s time we fight back and slit some throats.


  64. texaslady says:

    I wonder how many Representatives and Senators have even been to a Food Bank ? These are not welfare queens, they are your neighbors and mine going through tough times. Some cheats sure always but 95% are just trying to feed their families.


  65. Game of Life says:

    Screw us once again!

    Give more to the greedy so they can have the finest.


  66. Game of Life says:

    I wonder why the repugs aren’t stating the stale lie that dems tax and spend?


  67. SP Biloxi says:

    It’s the Malibu Barbie Perino show.

    Perino: “The food stamps, we believe we have met the need.”

    Yup, King George strikes again. Only in the United Snakes of Moronica: Land of the thieves. Home of the slaves. Perino and the Sith Administration have been divorced from reality on the struggles of the American people in this troublesome economy.


  68. Max-1 says:

    .

    Remember:
    Bush speaks with Christ…
    … And understood the convorsation to mean: “Make the least suffer the most.”

    .


  69. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    This is not going to bode well for the Republicans. They can’t help people who have run out of unemployment benefits or people who can’t get enough food to eat, but can bail out wallstreet millionaires?

    So what are the Democrats going to do when they have 57 Senators, three shy of being filibuster proof? Are they going to continue to roll over every time the Republicans say they are going to filibuster? Or are they going to get a backbone and force the Republicans to stand up there and read a telephone book every time they want to filibuster?


  70. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    Well, just read it now. Don’t know why that particular word is such a problem…it’s in the text of the article!

    impeachcheneythenbush Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    them_libs – I didn’t watch your entire link that you entitled “Food Stamps Bad for the Economy” so I don’t know if that issue was addressed. However, it would appear that the thrust of the video was to blame the Democrats for the subprime mortgage mess. A more realistic way to viewing it would be that the purpose of the CRA was an idealistic one, which led to pushback by the banks (as when it was introduced back in 1977) until the regulations were consistently loosened until it played to their advantage. The most significant weakening of the CRA was in 2004 (just which party was completely in charge then?)

    Criticism of the Community Reinvestment Act

    Some economists have claimed that the CRA encouraged risky lending[12][13] and contributed to the development of the subprime debacle.[citation needed] However, this is disputed, as Robert Gordon has pointed out that approximately half of the loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and thus had no government obligation to offer credit to minorities. In the later part of the crisis, these mortgage companies made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA banks. Another third of the major subprime lenders were regulated, but had very little CRA involvement.[14][15] Gordon also makes the argument that the weakening of the CRA in 2004 was followed by intensified subprime lending.[14]

    Congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has partially attributed the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis to legislation such as the CRA.[16] Economist Stan Liebowitz has also expressed his opinion that banks were forced to loan to un-credit worthy consumers with “no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant’s ability to make payments; no down payment.” However, the chief executive of Countrywide Financial, the nation’s largest mortgage lender, is said to have “bragged” that to approve minority applications “lenders have had to stretch the rules a bit”, suggesting that Countrywide was responsible for relaxing its standards rather than the other way around.[17]

    Ellen Seidman, the former director of the US Office of Thrift Supervision,[1] has stated her belief that the CRA did not have an effect on the United States housing bubble. She observes that CRA banks were particularly warned to make responsible investments, citing a speech by herself as an example.[2] She notes that if unregulated independent mortgage companies do make subprime loans, affiliated CRA banks should not be able to count them for CRA purposes, although she does not indicate whether this practice currently occurs. An an**ysis by attorneys Traiger and Hinckley concluded that CRA banks were less likely to sell risky mortgages onto the secondary market, and likely mitigated the effect of the subprime crisis.[18]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Community_Reinvestment_Act#Original_Act


  71. texaslady says:

    How would any of you like to be the one to first ask for 700B without details and the next day veto a request for additional food stamps and help for food banks. bushie had better board up his windows and hide like LBJ.


  72. MCMetal says:

    impeachcheneythenbush Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    impeachcheneythenbush Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    September 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    I had the same exact damn problem ………..


  73. RUCerious says:

    Could we pass a bailout bill that forces corwhorporate officers to rely only on $30 per week of food stamps?


  74. RUCerious says:

    impeachbothcriminals ~ nice article. Good info. Trolls care to repeat the talking points in rebuttal?

    I thought not.


  75. Game of Life says:

    Strange when I was watching prino, I was wondering why she was so absolutely giddy? She was smiling way too much.


  76. tokin librul says:

    RUCerious sez: tokin@#42

    Those weren’t just stories.
    Been there, seen it.

    Not so much the machine gunning part, but the other, yup.
    September 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    i knew dat, too. I didn’t witness it, but the stories were all around, w/lots of witnesses who seemed to brag about it. I was a short-timer when i GOT TO Nam, and had a very bad attitude (according to my superiors)…


  77. tokin librul says:

    MCMetal Says:

    impeachcheneythenbush Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    impeachcheneythenbush Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    September 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    I had the same exact damn problem ………..
    September 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    This morning, I found a post of mine from yesterday that was STILL “awaiting moderation.”


  78. RUCerious says:

    tokun, beware the dreaded phrase lana in reverse!!!


  79. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    RUCerious Says:

    tokun, beware the dreaded phrase lana in reverse!!!

    Yeah…what’s with that? Most of the moderation that I’ve seen seems to have to do with either sexually-related or elimination function terms. Not judged against any kind of context, of course. Just the words or a partial spelling of same. Surely there are more sophisticated screening programs?


  80. Doc Rock says:

    What a stupid idea to veto this! The bottom needs to circulate money so the fat cats can keep making profits! It was callous indifference to the plot of the man in the street that led the economy to this state.


  81. Shayne says:

    How are we going to compete with other third world countries unless we have more starving children and more families living on the streets. The conservatives won’t be happy until we’re #1.


  82. Michael Lafferty says:

    …some elements of the package …we do not think would be stimulative to the economy, such as unemployment insurance.

    Yeah, right Dana: because, you know, the poor who subsist on the measly offerings from the USDA Food Stamp program won’t SPEND the money in an effort to survive, you little witch! They will simply bury it in a coffee can in the backyard.

    Good grief. This woman is beyond stupid. And, vapid. How do people like Dana Perino sleep at night, get up in the morning, put on their pretty little face then stand behind the podium smiling while others suffer so?


  83. texaslady says:

    CNN just had a notice that the repubs DO NOT want help for the average mortgage holder in that bailout. What was that mccain said, forcing help for the taxpayer ? And the repubs refuse to say what position mccain is taking. Just amazing.


  84. Michael Lafferty says:

    @ 41 and so forth…

    Operation Phoenix. Driven primarily by the Central Intelligence Agency during the latter years of the Vietnam debacle. We didn’t so much torture in South Vietnam and Cambodia as we…

    • indiscriminately set fire to children with napalm as they fled along roadways
    • torched entire inhabited villages on our search and destroy missions
    • presumed anyone who might be in a tunnel was the enemy and destroyed them
    • stood by while CIA officers tossed suspects out of helicopters
    • watched as high ranking South Vietnamese officers executed captives on the spot

    It wasn’t a real proud time for freedom and democracy, you know? Now, no one wants to talk about it. Americans would clearly rather pretend that such things could not and did not happen. Even a young—then Major, now retired General— Colin Powell effectively whitewashed one of the initial investigations conducted on behalf of the staff of the Americal Division of the massacre at My Lai, and of other reported attrocities. And, many veterans are too angry, ashamed or heavily medicated to talk about it. And yes, I too am a Vietnam era Army veteran.

    And, oh yeah: the My Lai operation was an extension of that same Phoenix program.

    War: the gift that just keeps on giving. And giving. And giving…


  85. techsong says:

    This kind of stuff is classic republican “Values” or lack of I should say. Give billions to the rich, screw the poor. This would be good for cannon fodder at the debates if Obama is smart enough to use it. It’s as good a time as ever.


  86. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    Last week, I met a life-long Republican who told me that he never voted for a Democrat. This year he is voting for Barack Obama. The reason he gave is that he lost his job 13 months ago and the Republicans have blocked extending unemployment benefits. This was over the top for him and he was going to vote straight Democrat for the first time in his life.


  87. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    Well, well, well… Bush pleaded with the Democrats to save Wall Street while Bush and the Republicans give the finger to Main Street, suma na b i tch.


  88. MapleStreet says:

    White House Threatens Veto Of Second Stimulus Over Food Stamps And Unemployment Benefits

    Well, if the poor are going to starve to death, they should do so quickly. Such would help put an end to the surplus world population, thereby decreasing greenhouse gases and the demand for services. No need to waste money if they are going to die anyway, and spending money only prolongs their agony.

    At least, that’s why my good friend Ebeneezer Scrooge tells me.


  89. tayrayred28 says:

    WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD THE OTHER DAY AND SAW A FOR SALE SIGN IN THE FRONT YARD OF A HOME, NEXT TO THE FOR SALE SIGN WAS A SIGN THAT SAID MCCAIN/PALIN. R U KIDDING ME, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE. U WANT ANOTHER BUSH IN OFFICE, U MIGHT AS WELL MOVE UR NEW CARDBOARD BOX HOME NEXT TO MINE UNDER THE BRIDGE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE WILL BE LIVING IF OBAMA DON’T GET OFFICE, AND WE GET STUCK WITH ANOTHER BUSH.


  90. tayrayred28 says:

    WHO CARES WHO OBAMA NEW WHEN HE WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD. I DON’T CARE BECAUSE HE WILL BE GOOD FOR US, UNLIKE MCCAIN, WHO CARES NOTHING ABOUT US. WE ALL KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE WHEN WE ARE EIGHT YEARS OLD, DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING.


  91. youtube says:

    sohbetSallie Mae put a hold on that and actually has the nerve to tell you on the phone that it’s not is not good for students to consolidate econmically based on the current rates. So getting 7% instead of 10 to 18+ is bad? Come on lol.
    cetCompanies like that have been pushing deregulation in that market heavily. They’ve removed Bedava mp3 indirbasic bankruptcy protections entirely. They’ve managed to get things federally guaranteed.



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