Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
11:47: CNN’s Roland Martin’s reaction to the debate: “John McCain, how dare you come and give a debate and you don’t even say the word ‘middle class.’”
11:35: Fox pollster Frank Luntz’s focus group showed that a majority was “moved” by Obama’s performance. They especially liked his answer pointing out that McCain was “wrong” on nearly every aspect of the Iraq war, including when he said the Iraq war would be quick and easy and that Americans would be greeted as liberators:
11:34: Yglesias observes, “I’ve seen Joe Biden doing aggressive surrogate appearances on every network I’ve flipped to. I imagine he’s hitting all of them. Sarah Palin, by contrast, isn’t doing any networks.”
11:17: CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour said she “giggled” when McCain messed up the pronunciation of Ahmadinejad’s name. When Anderson Cooper asked her if it was really “fair” to criticize him for that, she replied, “Why not? If it’s fair for anybody — Why not? If I stumbled, it would be a fair comment.”
11:04: Keith Olbermann highlights the fact that McCain admitted that the U.S. tortures. McCain has previously said waterboarding is torture, while noting that the U.S. has waterboarded. He also references the Zardari gaffe:
11:00: On ABC, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman called McCain’s claim that he has consistently supported alternative energy “a howler.” Friedman also quipped that McCain wouldn’t be able to pay for his new nuclear power plants by cutting $18 billion in earmarks.
10:58: Sen. Lindsey Graham on Fox: “Senator Obama, you’re not just naive, you’re dangerous.”
10:50: On CNN, Wolf Blitzer mentions the gaffe on Zardari’s name and says, “I don’t know where he got that. … It’s a difficult name for Americans to remember and pronounce, but you wouldn’t think John McCain would slip up on that.”
10:49: Fox’s Carl Cameron observed that Obama said that “I agree with John” at least eight times. Conversely, McCain said that Obama didn’t “understand” at least seven times.
10:43: MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan claims McCain was the winner because “he came off as tough but almost as mean…Obama came across as a very nice guy.”
10:42: ABC’s Charlie Gibson and PBS’s David Brooks and Mark Shields note that McCain never looked at Obama during the debate.
10:37: Veterans organizations have come out against McCain. He received a grade of D from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and a 20 percent vote rating from the Disabled Veterans of America; Vietnam Veterans of America noted McCain had “voted against us” in 15 “key votes.” Both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars criticized McCain for opposing Sen. Jim Webb’s 21st Century GI Bill.
10:29: McCain has a hard time pronouncing the name of the President of Iran:
…and the President of Pakistan (Zardari, not “Kidari”):
10:27: Sen. Obama is the first to mention climate change, which Thomas Fingar, the top intelligence analyst in the United States, has warned will be the central foreign security threat “for the next administration and beyond.”
10:26: McCain referred to offshore drilling as a “bridge” technique that would lower prices “in the short run.” In fact, the Bush administration’s own Energy Department has concluded that it could have no significant impact before 2030.
10:25: McCain has correctly identified the resurgence in Russian military power as driven by increased oil wealth, but his record has shown consistent opposition to the alternative energy initiatives that might undercut this aspect of Putin’s strength.
10:20: McCain mocks the idea that Kissinger supports talks with Iran without preconditions. Just yesterday, CBS News’s Katie Couric — after interviewing Sarah Palin, who called the idea of meeting without preconditions “naïve” — checked with Kissinger. Couric: “Incidentally, we confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following her interview. He told us he supports talks, if not with Ahmadinejad, then with high level Iranian officials . . . without preconditions.”
10:17: McCain takes the view that to meet with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be to legitimize Ahmadinejad’s views on Israel. Does that mean that McCain’s meetings with Nouri al-Maliki constitute an endorsement of his various anti-Israel views?
10:10: Discussing ways he would save money in the federal budget, McCain said, “Look, we’re sending $700 billion a year overseas to countries that don’t like us very much.” But as the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler points out, McCain is confusing foreign aid with the amount of money that Americans spend on foreign oil. The U.S. spends only $39 bllion a year in foreign aid.
10:09: McCain just restated his intention to form a “League of Democracies.” He mentioned Germany and France as potential partners. Would he allow Spain to join, after refusing to meet with the Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero as President? (Update: League of Democracies? It’s a “hidden agenda” to “kill the UN.”)
10:02: McCain’s view that Pakistan was a “failed state” when Pervez Musharraf launched his coup in 1999 is bizarre. Pakistan had a functioning government led by then-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Sharif attempted to fire Musharraf as head of the Pakistani military and replace him with ISI Director Ziauddin Butt. Instead, Musharraf launched a coup, citing allegations of corruption against Sharif. Nobody on either side took the view that Pakistan was a failed state.
10:00: McCain just said that President Reagan is the person he admires the most. However, in the past, he has claimed that his “major role model” was President Teddy Roosevelt.
9:58: Having recently said any timeline is good for withdrawal from Iraq, McCain again railed against setting a timeline, despite the fact that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki endorsed Obama’s plan and ultimately agreed with President Bush to withdrawal all troops from Iraq in 2011.
9:57: McCain insists “You don’t say…out loud” that you’re going to strike inside Pakistan. Singing “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” presumably still ok, in McCain’s view.
9:54: McCain says that “increased Iranian influence” would have been one of the consequence of defeat in Iraq. What does he think the consequences of invading Iraq have been? The current Iraqi government is controlled by political parties that were literally founded in Iran.
9:52: McCain did question whether the surge would succeed. In January 2007, he said, “I am concerned about it, whether it is sufficient numbers or not.” (Update: More McCain surge doubts — “I am very nervous about this new strategy. I am very doubtful that we have enough troops. I don’t know if the Maliki government will be strong enough.”)
9:51: Obama noted that McCain said before the Iraq war that U.S. soldiers would be greeted as liberators. In July this year, McCain claimed “We were greeted as liberators.”
9:50: McCain keeps talking about the need for “victory” in Iraq, but General Petraeus himself has disavowed that goal, “This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade… it’s not war with a simple slogan.”
9:49: McCain has repeatedly claimed that he knows what troops want — “Let us win.” U.S. soldiers, however, are giving 6:1 to Obama.
9:45: McCain warned that — absent the surge — we might have seen “increased sectarian violence.” In fact, the most up-to-date research indicates that one of the leading causes of the recent decline in violence is that the surge was followed by large-scale ethnic cleansing, and violence only dropped in Baghdad once mixed neighborhoods had largely been eliminated.
9:44: McCain has already used the joke that he wasn’t “elected Miss Congeniality in the Senate” twice during this debate. Ironically, Sarah Palin was Miss Congeniality.
9:41: McCain claimed to have opposed Bush on climate change, torture, and Guantanamo Bay. In fact, McCain allowed his party’s platform to question the science of climate change, and he voted to allow the CIA to continue waterboarding.
9:40: More on McCain’s discretionary freeze: A generous estimate of the savings from the freeze would be $50 billion. This leaves McCain with a budget hole of about $650 billion.
9:38: McCain said “We’re sending $700 billion a year overseas to countries that don’t like us very much.” How about we’re sending $10 billion a month to a country, Iraq, whose people want our military to withdraw.
9:37: John McCain’s proposal for an across-the-board spending freeze in discretionary spending would entail large per capita cuts in everything from education to the FBI and federal prisons to national parks, highway and bridge repair, food stamps, etc. Along with having a deleterious impact on people who rely on these programs, the cuts would cause a contractionary impact on economic growth at a time when the country is in need of a second stimulus to forestall the risk of a deep recession.
9:37: The Wonk Room dissects John McCain’s promotion of his “45 nuclear plants by 2030” as a job creation boon.
9:34: 34 minutes in and no questions about foreign policy in this foreign policy debate. (Update: First foreign policy question comes 39 minutes in)
9:32: McCain said unequivocally that he is against ethanol subsidies. But in 2006, he said “I support ethanol and I think it is a vital, a vital alternative energy source not only because of our dependency on foreign oil but its greenhouse gas reduction effects.”
9:30: McCain commits a fashion faux pas. The effect of his red and white striped tie produces a wavy, strobing effect on regular televisions, one of the first tips media trainers tell men to avoid. It looks better in HD.
9:29: In his list of wasteful earmarks, McCain made no mention of the infamous Bridge to Nowhere, which his running mate supported.
9:26: McCain declares that there’s “a lot more than $18 billion” in earmark spending. Perhaps he’s returning to his unsubstantiated claim to be able to cut “$65 billion” in earmarks “that’s already on the books.” That figure included aid to Israel, which McCain later said he would not cut.
9:25: While the United States does have the second highest corporate rate in the world on paper, the effective tax rate is in line with the rest of the world’s leading economies. Further, two-thirds of American corporations pay no taxes.
9:21: McCain rails against wasteful earmark spending, but as Sen. Claire McCaskill pointed out, his running mate Palin “has been an earmark queen in Alaska.”
9:18: McCain rightly points out that American workers are more productive than ever. Since November 2001, employee productivity has risen more than 15 percent. However, “the average wage for the typical American worker has inched up just 1 percent (after inflation). … [S]ome economists say this may be the first time in American history that the typical working household goes through an economic expansion without any increase in income whatsoever.”
9:17: McCain mocked an earmark to study bear DNA, but his own running mate, Sarah Palin, has requested money to study seal DNA.
9:16: While McCain claims the U.S. is still the “greatest exporter,” it is in fact Germany that holds that distinction.
9:14: McCain said he’d warned about the problems in the financial markets, repeating something he’s said several times since the extent of the problem became clear, but ignoring his previous acknowledgment that he “did not” anticipate the crisis.
9:11: When McCain refers to “the greatest fiscal crisis of our time,” he’s probably hoping nobody thinks back to the second-greatest fiscal crisis of our time — the Savings & Loan fiasco and the Keating Five imbroglio in which he was implicated but which the media has graciously declined to bring up throughout the duration of the campaign.
9:09: Flashback: Karl Rove attacked Obama for not wearing a flag on his lapel, claiming that “to a lot of ordinary people, putting that flag lapel pin on is true patriotism.”
9:08: Just off the bat, this is the first-ever general election debate to be broadcast in high definition. Most of the public will be watching in low-def, of course, but we won’t be the only ones watching in HD. And given the age/wrinkle gap between the two candidates, we think you might see something of a Kennedy-Nixon effect where your impression of the matchup will be determined in part by your technical platform.
9:02: Barack Obama enters, wearing a flag pin on his lapel. John McCain has no flag on his lapel.
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FRIST !!!!!!!!!!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 8:50 pmWhat does Bill Frist have to do with anything?
September 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pmWhile there will be other coverage of the debate, this is the official, unauthorized site for the TP pool, started earlier today.
How many times will McCain mention his captivity?
The spread is from 3-55, currently.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pmlol mccain…
September 26th, 2008 at 8:52 pmAnd why are politicians always pointing the finger?
September 26th, 2008 at 8:52 pmbackup Says:
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What does Bill Frist have to do with anything?
September 26th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Absolutely nothing
Which is about the same amount of knowledge John McDepends possesses …………
September 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pm#1 MCMetal
LOL…
You mean McFirst!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pmHow many times will McCain mention his captivity?
21 or 23 ………….
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pm#5 backup Says:
Because there are always 3 pointing back.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pmAbsolutely nothing.
Also the amount of good we can expect from the government bailout.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pmtneth!
also – I am going with 8 mentions of the POW status
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pmMax-1 Says:
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#1 MCMetal
LOL…
You mean McFirst!!!
September 26th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Nah
“FRIST” is what we always do on Crooks and Liars …….
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pmI feel just like the last seconds before a really scary rollercoaster ride.
I can hear the clanking of the gears, and the roar of the diesel generator.
I just hope that fat kid in front of me doesn’t evict his hot dog in my direction…
September 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pmbackup Says:
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Absolutely nothing.
Also the amount of good we can expect from the government bailout.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
It’s also the amount of “help” McDepends was in moving that along , regardless of his bullshit claims of playing the hero……
September 26th, 2008 at 8:55 pmMCMetal Says:
21 or 23
Noted.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:56 pmMCMetal Says:
You mean:
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!
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September 26th, 2008 at 8:56 pmWho invited backedup?
September 26th, 2008 at 8:56 pmYeesh you guys, donchaknow that McCain hates bringing up the fact that he was a POW. He’s so humble.
September 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pmGrampie McSane is going to have his hands full tonight. How many times are we going to hear “My friends, I was a POW..country first.”
September 26th, 2008 at 8:58 pm********Last minute preparations for the candidates********
Obama has his brow dried off …..
McStupid changes his Depends from “regular” to “extra-absorbent”
September 26th, 2008 at 8:59 pmOne minute…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:00 pmDo you think they put the little box that sends the answers to his earpiece like W used in his diaper?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pmMy bets:
1 – Looser
September 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pm2 – Pakistan’s
3 – 9/11’s
4 – September 11’s
5 – Islamic extremism
6 – POW references
7 – Bipartisan references
8 – Terrorism’s
9 – Statements beginning with, “Friends…”
10 – Umm’s
Shayne Says:
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Do you think they put the little box that sends the answers to his earpiece like W used in his diaper?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Probably in his loose colon ……………
September 26th, 2008 at 9:02 pmMcCain is scarrreedd
September 26th, 2008 at 9:05 pmShayne,
September 26th, 2008 at 9:05 pmThem McDepends have deep pockets…
… Just ask Cindy.
#3 — MaCain. . . POW mention = 8.5 times
September 26th, 2008 at 9:06 pmMcSane, where’s your flag lapel pin? Psssh, that isn’t patriotic.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:07 pmMcCain’s tie is absolutely dreadful. It looks like an escalator on his chest.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:08 pmLeave it to McCain to be behind on news. Ted Kennedy has been released from the hospital, and is now home watching him blow the debate.
PEACE
September 26th, 2008 at 9:09 pmWe have our first WWII reference… Normandy
September 26th, 2008 at 9:10 pmDavid Eisenhower?
He’s confused Patreaus and Ike?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:10 pmI agree about the tie comment. It kind of reminds me where’s waldo? haha.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:10 pm.
Did the McDeregulator just claim to have acted responsibly?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:11 pm.
People in McLobyist’s administration will be held accountable through big pay offs?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:12 pmObama slammed him on “fundamentals of our economy our strong”
September 26th, 2008 at 9:13 pmLehrer is trying to get the two guys to mix it up – and they’re both rope-a-dopeing!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:14 pm#32, I’ll give him a pass on David Eisenhower…Dwight David Eisenhower…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:15 pm.
Obama needs to remind the Senator about the “EVILS” of the Keating Five…
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:15 pmHow many times has McCain said “old” so far?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:16 pmWho Lied Today? Says:
No one has ever referred to him as David. Come on.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:17 pmBarfly, no, you’re right, but I’ll let that one slide…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:17 pmNow, they’re throwing leather…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pmLehrer:
“C’mon, you bums, they’re looking for blood!”
September 26th, 2008 at 9:20 pmCan you say “recycled town hall talking points”?
Yes, McStain, we’ve heard… nothing new here!
PEACE
September 26th, 2008 at 9:21 pmMcCain is only spouting the same debunked assertions.
What a tank.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:22 pm“Business Tax”?
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People are having problems paying their Mortgage and Sen. McCain is worried about “Business Tax”????
Un-believable…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:23 pm.
Yes…
… Let’s examine Johnny’s McRecords!
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:24 pmMcCain lied. He didn’t call for the resignation of the head of the SEC. He said he would fire the head of the FEC! The prez can’t fire the head of the SEC.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:25 pm.
Oh…
… A B!tch slap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WiE6MnmCM
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:26 pmleher lost control when he let mccain ramble on. I’m sure he’ll rain the boys back in when Obama trys to respond.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:28 pm#49 Keith,
September 26th, 2008 at 9:28 pmGood catch.
Now, does Johnny know if it’s SPIC or SIPC?
Obama should have brought up Palin’s earmarks, especially SEal DNA, since McCain opened that topic up. And Obama should have said he has zero lobbyists on his payroll, while McCain’s payroll is all lobbyists.
Obama is weak so far.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:28 pmCut spending…. that’s his answer.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:28 pmMcC still pushes spending cuts, but won’t specify a single one.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pmWhy doesn’t Obama bring up McCain’s support for the Iraq war which has cost us nearly a trillion dollars??
September 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pmObama needs to bring up Rick Davis too
September 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pmmccain doesn’t like ethanol, he’s more a fan of methane, the old fart.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:30 pm.
What’s a middle class?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pmLehrer’s question seems to call for a false choice – and Obama’s doing a good job of dissecting the falsity.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pmMcCain: “I didn’t win Miss Congeniality.”
No, your VP pick did!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pmgood question 56. )Ob could also mention palins earmarks. ob could also mention that IL is like 6th from the bottom in tax dollars that come back to the state. I think we get back 70 cents on the dollar, Alaska gets 1.87 on the dollar.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm.
What’s a McLobbyist?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pmAll of the bad things about government McCain is talking about HE WAS VOTING FOR IN THE SENATE. How can he totally disassociate himself from what he is responsibile for?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pmIraq!
Finally!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pmAll Repubs say how high our business tax rate is. They don’t say two-thirds of them pay zero.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pmDon’t run from from the liberal label Obama, wear it proud! say it loud! the conservatives have screwed up this country.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pm.
Oooooh,
“Drill baby Drill!”
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pmIt’sok to say your’e for veterans old man, it’s a shame that you voted against the new gi bill.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pmNuclear dogs won’t hunt…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pmDidn’t McCain say he wanted to increase funding for Veterans… but he’s consistently voted against them?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:34 pmMcCain just walked into a choice trap. He said he wanted families to make medical decisions, not the federal gov’t…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:36 pmcall grampa on his health care bull. he says that he want familys to make decisions not the gov. his plan lets businessmen make the decisions. And he’s doing pretty good with government healtcare.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 pmNo specifics.
McCain is an empty sack.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 pmWe got our beauty pagaent reference…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:37 pm.
Ooooh…
WTF???
Miss Congeniality…
TORTURE?
Maverick x2
It’s a well known known…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:38 pmmccain just called himself a maverick! what an ass!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:38 pmCalling himself a maverick in debate?
Make that an empty sh*t-sack.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pmWe are winning in Iraq!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pmif tjhe stratdey has succeeded why aren’t we coming home? Make his define victory obama!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pmObama is turning up the heat!
September 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pm.
+1 point to Obama for saying President Bush AND John McCain…
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:41 pm.
Check that swipe of the McEye…
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm.
What’s Sectarian cleansing…?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pmMcCain went to Iraq and got some cheap rugs…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pmBiden finally mentioned…
Waiting for McCain to defend Palin..
September 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pmObama just corrected Lehrer…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pm.
+1 Point for Obama for pointing out that Johnny was WRONG from the start.
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pm.
Is the difference between a “TACTIC” and a “STRATEGY” similar to the difference between “TERRORISM” and “SHOCK and AWE”?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pmSocial, econimic progress in Iraq… they got electricity for, what, 4 hours a day…
September 26th, 2008 at 9:46 pmI still don’t see how nuclear energy reduces foreign oil.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:46 pm.
Ooooh,
Obama see’s a need for larger troops in Afghanistan because…
… Because he thinks you can capture a dead man.
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pmI like the split-screen coverage on CBS right now.
It shows McNumbNuts smirking during Obama’s responses. Kind of reminds me of GDumbya.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pmyeah Keith, I can’t figure that out either.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pmMcCain is digging himself a huge potential hole. The Sunni problem might still soon explode, if they refuse to disarm, come Nov. 1.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pmOh oh oh oh
THE FIRST 9/11
September 26th, 2008 at 9:50 pm#86 Who Lied Today? Says:
… Waiting for Obama to mention her so McDepends can crap in his pants.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pmBHO just shoved the whole nation of Iraq up Johnny’s tailpipe by reminding him how wrong he was about everything in ‘03. Nice. Restrained but nice.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pm.
Has Bush been working with Pakistan…
… Or has Pakistani Troops been ordered to fire back at US troops?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:53 pmGrampie McSane is putting me to sleep
September 26th, 2008 at 9:54 pmevery time mccain opens his mouth and talks about how “I know how to do this” or “I’ve been trying to reduce spending” i keep thinking, okay then why haven’t you done it in the freaking 26 years you’ve been in washington?
can he ever get away from this point?
September 26th, 2008 at 9:56 pm.
When Johnny McRhetoric sang Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-Bomb Iran…
… That wasn’t thinking outloud?
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September 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pmmcchimpy should have gotten a spray tan.
So many lies from mcchimpy.
It’s horrible to say one wants to captured and kill bin Laden.
Enough with the lying storytelling mcchimpy.
September 26th, 2008 at 9:59 pmBLA BLA BLA BLA WHEN IS MCCAIN GOING TO SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT
September 26th, 2008 at 9:59 pm“I have a record”
And you’ve been running from it since the primaries.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pmWe can’t verify that McCain was at the airport to meet the woman take her son’s casket; no photos allowed
September 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pmNo disrespect meant to that woman’s son, or the Iraq war dead…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:01 pmMust switch to radio feed before McTie induces seizure [seriously, was that someone's idea of how to make it look like something was animated on McCain's side of the stage?]
September 26th, 2008 at 10:01 pmFailed state?!! Musaraff took power in a coup when he overthrew a legitimatly elected government.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pm.
You would think that since Senator Johnny McHero knows how to “WIN A WAR” we would have won Iraq and Afghanistan by now…
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pmMcCain doesn’t seem to look at Obama.
A campaign tactic?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pmDidn’t Iraq’s Nouri Maliki (or however it’s spelled), agree to Obama’s timetable? Withdrawl was extended because of #43s intervention.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:03 pm.
McBush = IRAN = DANGER = FEAR = Thinking out loud…
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:04 pm“You don’t say…out loud” that you’re going to strike inside Pakistan.
But apparently you do say out loud that Iran is an “existential threat.”
September 26th, 2008 at 10:04 pmbarfly,
September 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pmYes. Do not recognise your opponent…
McCain Lie:
Iran is not supplying IED’s to Iraq.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:06 pmSenior moment!
September 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pm.
Obama just propagated IRAN = NEUCLAER WEAPON!!!
This is where facts are lost on Obama. Too bad NEITHER listen to or cite the NIE and the IAEA…
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pmMax-1, do you have a transmitter going to Barack’s ear? You say it here, it comes out on my TV.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pmIf Obama says “Senator McCain is right one more time!!!” and why is McCain ALWAYS allowed to get the last word?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pmSecond Holocaust?
WTF
mcchimpy doesn’t know what the Holocaust is.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:09 pm.
Naive = FAILING to listen to the IAEA!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:10 pm.
Obama just justified Bush’s “AXIS of EVIL”!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:11 pmObama knows his Bush history…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:12 pmJust won’t look at him…
Man, he’s wooden.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:12 pm.
Keith,
They ECHO each other…
“You can’t make this stuff up” …
… No Senator, I pay attention.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:13 pm.
LOL
McShrimp says: “Size matters…”
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:14 pmOh lawd.
NK/So. Koren height?
WTF
September 26th, 2008 at 10:14 pmMcCain: “The average South Korean is 3 inches taller than the average North Korean.”
September 26th, 2008 at 10:14 pmRussia. Pailin moment?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:15 pmMcCain: “Look – I’m going to start every sentence with the word Look.”
You see, when you start your sentence with ‘Look”, then anything I say right after is going to sound like I know the real truth. Kinda like – “Let’s get serious folks“…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:15 pm.
Russia…
… I can find them on a map too. Do I qualify to be McVP?
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:15 pmYeah why is mcchimpy getting the last word.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:16 pmThe average Hollander is taller than the average American. Obama must be superior to McCain, he’s taller.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:18 pm.
The State of Georgia fired on Russian military camps in S. Ossetia FIRST!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:19 pmMcCain just started the Cold War, again…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:19 pmLIE about Russia starting the Georgia invasion.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:19 pmMaybe North Korea is not providing for its people because they are spending too much on their military.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:20 pmGame of Life,
Because the Elections are fixed…
McBush/Falin’08
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:21 pm.
OMFG!!!
Did Obama agree with the LIE about who struck who first!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:23 pm.
What’s an OIL WAR?
Who suffers for the greedy?
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:23 pm.
Neither seem reluctant to NOT see war for oil.
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:23 pmAccording to McCain, Obama just doesn’t “understand” anything.
More saliently, the Republican red line indicating approval/disapproval is a flatline. Partisan zombies walking a straight line.
God bless America? God HELP America!
September 26th, 2008 at 10:23 pmleher is doing a crappy job here. he lets mcdepends go on and on and intuerupt and he does nothing.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:24 pmFrom someone who lives in a state impacted from Offshore Drilling… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
September 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm.
9/11
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pmMcCain lie:
That drilling would lessen the current problem.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm.
Are we safer now than we were in 2000?
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pmHAHAHAHA
Sen. Obama took the last word.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm9/11…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pmPardon me re: 9/11, but please… It’s time to move on.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:27 pm.
McBush said we have had the largest “REORGANIZATION” of our Government because of 9/11…
… PNAC MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pmI must be on some sort of delay.
I’m watching C-Span, yet you guys are seeing stuff before me.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:29 pm.
+1 point to Obama for citing our “RESPECTED” or less there of, in the international world.
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:30 pm.
Did McBush just cite “STAR WARS”???
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:31 pmmcchimpy:
FEAR FEAR FEAR
September 26th, 2008 at 10:31 pmI would say obama won, but did not get what he could have – the MSM “catpaulted the propaganda” that his campaign was “suspended” – a total lie, yet still on the frontpages of nations all over the nation.
They lowered the bar with the pull-out stunt. It will be like 2004 – there was no “train wreck” and the wingnuts will scream to the world that this was a “victory”.
What will really matter is how the mighty wurlitzer plays it – if the echo chamber picks up the same spin and lies that we heard after 2004 debates – obama does not get what he deserves.
Don’t misjudge what I am saying – obama is winning, but did not score knock-out. That will be played up as a great victory.
If he doesn’t hit back on the “obama still doesn’t get it” meme that mccain has lied about all through the debate, the MSM may even play it up as a mccain victory.
They intend to steal the election anyways – remember, what actually happened does not count if we don’t have free, fair, open, and verifiable elections.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:31 pm#153, barfly…
I’m watching MSNBCs coverage…waiting for Keith…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:31 pm.
I have Bush’s earpiece…
LOL
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pmThe Independent line however plunges when McCain speaks, and spikes when Obama does. That’s the difference that will win this election.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pm.
What’s a successful SURGE when there is no political solutions?
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:34 pmYeah,
mcchimpy won’t look at Sen. Obama
September 26th, 2008 at 10:34 pmThe next president needs to have a broader strategic vision…
McCain, meet toast.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:34 pmIf obama let’s mccain get away with mclame’s last lie here, that obama’s judgement is the issue, this is not going to be good.
There is so much ammo on mccain’s judgement – will he use it?
September 26th, 2008 at 10:35 pm.
Well Barack, we are #1…
… In incarceration rates.
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:35 pmI think he’s been medicated.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:35 pmnope – obama did not hit back and now mccain is finishing by playing the POW card.
I won’t say obama did a bad job, but he did miss many important things – the MSM will play this up as a mcclaim win.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pmMcCain just stuck his 500 buck shoe in his mouth.
Vets know he’s lying about his votes against Webb’s veteran’s bill.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pmI’m sorry. I really think McCain won this debate. He kept Obama on the defense the entire time. Obama never called him out on outright LIES. Once again the L word never gets used. McCain maneuvered for the last word EVERY time! Obama kept saying “Senator McCain is right!”… Obama never called him out on his vote for the 21st century GI Bill.. Or his disgraceful voting on GI health care.. it was a total disaster..once again.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pmI pray, for the sake of my first Grandson, that he’ll see an America that I once knew…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pm.
Debate ends on the final word of Johnny McPOW!!!
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September 26th, 2008 at 10:37 pmI wish Obama would say to him ‘What do you think I don’t understand John?’. I am sick to death of hearing that…now McPuss pulls out the overused POW card. Jeeze..another drink for me.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:37 pmbarfly,
September 26th, 2008 at 10:38 pmThat would be his $500.00 Flip-Flop… NO?
Remember – the last repug prez stole 2 elections. Sure, I think obama won, but I doubt it will be played that way in the MSM.
In the end, that is what will matter after the election when the same MSM needs to distract from another stolen election.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:39 pmAnd the winner is:
One mention on his POW status.
His handlers must have clued to the fact that its a known fact, and that he’d sound like a hack for mentioning it more than once.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:39 pmWill Obama please stop saying nice things about McCain!!! When has McCain said something nice about Obama?!?
Just. stop. it.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:39 pmBarfly, maybe VETS know, but thanks to Obama’s complacency the rest of the world doesn’t. I’m totally disgusted.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:39 pmGood one, Max.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pmnycbassist:
Vets will be sounding off in the nation’s editorial pages tomorrow.
The fact that he never looked at his opponent is a tell.
Would he act in such a manner during foreign events?
It could spark an international incident.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:44 pmWe should all just be thankful that
George (jump the shark) Stephanopoulos didn’t moderate.
http://www.wilytrax.com
September 26th, 2008 at 10:47 pmMy wife and I had one word for McCain…”Creepy.”
Yeah, I am a Lefty she is a Centrist, and the word is “Creepy”
September 26th, 2008 at 10:47 pmSo, to recap:
McCain has had months to prepare for the debates – yet couldn’t name a single earmark that he’d veto.
His maverick title has permanently been put out to pasture, with this vague response.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:50 pmGratitude would be to give the “promised” health care benefits to those veterans under the old GI bill…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:53 pmHonestly, I’ve never been a fan of this “winning” concept with these debates. You’re going to prefer the guy who you’ve always agreed with in these things… Obviously I’m going to pick Obama.
And while I think he did do better, relatively speaking, I think objectively speaking they came off pretty much equally. I can’t imagine the average person having a real solid concept of who did better here unless they made up their mind weeks ago.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pmThe biggest impression I’m left with — beside McCain being an angry old liar — is that McCain has real issues.
He never once looked at Obama during the debate.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pmI would say it played about as expected, without the hoped for meltdowns. I would still say that Obama reinforced his approach of being calm, careful and precise, while Flippy interspersed canned answers and anecdotes which had little relevance.
I did note at least three instances of Obama stating, “that’s simply not true” and making it stick. Flippy even got kind of whiny. It would have been nice to see Obama call him a “liar” but, I understand making a pretense of civility.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:55 pmYeah, the repugs will count the number of times Sen. Obama agreed with mcchimpy. To me it means mcchimpy was using Sen. Obama ideas and not his own. Ahole coot.
This is going to be GREAT for us!
With the magic of the internet people will create vids with mcchimpy saying the opposite, the dummy. Then there are the lies vid. YEAH BABY!
Sen. Obama did great!
mmchimpy can’t backup his words. the dirty nasty repugs!
Obama\Biden
MSNBC is basing the debate on their tone.
Hurry up Keith and Rachel.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pmThanks guys.
Now, let’s listen to the disection…
September 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pmMcCain didn’t pull off the big win he needed. Obama will be better prepared for this creepy old liar next time.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:57 pmVeterans organizations have already condemned McCain’s refusal to support the Webb bill, and tonight’s performance can be predicted to energize them.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pmLOL
September 26th, 2008 at 10:59 pmNBC just dissed McLIAR on his Eisenhower letter tale…
Very true Zooey. Flippy really needed something dramatic. And I think he was flustered by Obama’s calm responses to the BS talking points. I just can’t wait to see how many times ol’ Flippy contradicts himself, or is forced to “clarify”, in the next 24-48 hours.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:03 pmnycbassist Says:
I’m sorry. I really think McCain won this debate. He kept Obama on the defense the entire time. Obama never called him out on outright LIES. Once again the L word never gets used. McCain maneuvered for the last word EVERY time! Obama kept saying “Senator McCain is right!”… Obama never called him out on his vote for the 21st century GI Bill.. Or his disgraceful voting on GI health care.. it was a total disaster..once again.
How can you say Sen. Obama was on the defensive then say “McCain maneuvered for the last word EVERY time!” It doesn’t make sense. Sen. Obama didn’t get the last word.
mcchimpy looked like a smirking old pale coot. Sen. Obama looked fresh and real serious.
Get em Keith. HAHAHAHAHAHA. You should watch it!
September 26th, 2008 at 11:03 pmMcCain’s body language drove me nuts. Never once did I see him even look at Obama. He had this weird smirk, sometimes a smile that looked like it belonged to the devil himself, and sometimes he looked like he was ready to explode. Barack never quite comes off as strong as I think he could, but, and this may sound trivial, but I don’t think it is, he has a temperment that is essential and vital if this country is going to recover. McCain – the guy gives me the creeps.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:04 pmIf Sen. Obama spent all his time disproven mcchimpy’s lies he wouldn’t have time to get his points across.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:09 pmI have a feeling McCains thought process was “Here I am finally my shot to be president, and this uppity negro is getting in the way”
September 26th, 2008 at 11:10 pm.
So,
Who won the cause to keep fighting them OIL WARS?
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September 26th, 2008 at 11:11 pmSadly, when it comes to the war in Iraq, it is the Arizona Republican who failed his own commander-in-chief test. At almost every turn in the run-up to the invasion and the ensuing American occupation, McCain’s judgment was almost always wrong, often disastrously so. From his predictions of a short war, claims U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators and that the U.S. would find weapons of mass destruction to his announcements of mission accomplished, his ongoing confusion over Sunni and Shiite, friend and foe in Iraq and so much more, John McCain the would-be wartime president gets failing marks.
For the details, see:
September 26th, 2008 at 11:14 pm“There’s No Debate About McCain’s Reign of Error on Iraq.”
muzz Says:
McCain’s body language drove me nuts. Never once did I see him even look at Obama. He had this weird smirk, sometimes a smile that looked like it belonged to the devil himself, and sometimes he looked like he was ready to explode. Barack never quite comes off as strong as I think he could, but, and this may sound trivial, but I don’t think it is, he has a temperment that is essential and vital if this country is going to recover. McCain – the guy gives me the creeps.
I agree with you.
Even where the moderator told Sen. Obama to look at him and repeat mcchimpy’s lie, all he did was look straight and do that eyebrow thing, yeah creepy as hell.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:15 pmMcCain’s “smile” and “laugh” are very unnatural and creepy–like his handlers told him to do it and he’s a bad actor.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:18 pmYeah, his smile and grin when Obama was speaking showed just how arrogant McCain really is.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:20 pmI didn’t get to see the whole thing, but from what I saw, I was decidedly unimpressed with either of them. I didn’t see much of anything that I couldn’t have scripted myself. This election has been going on forever, and people have made up their minds. I don’t buy this Independents on the fence BS. You would have to be dead at this point to not know the differences between the two. Listening to the callers on the “independent” line on C-SPAN seems to bear that out. Everybody claims to be up in the air, and then proceeds to praise one over the other. I’m sorry, but this is more of a football match than anything else. Everyone tunes in hoping to see their team win the debate and validate the decision they made months ago.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pmObama holds fresh, smart ideas in getting our country back to normal. It’s not going to be easy, but communication is a factor. McCain loves to reflect and revolve around past… reflecting about nostalgic stories is grand, but problems are dealt differently in each instant. Today, economically, we are in a fine mess and it’s going to take a whole different strategy to go about issues.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pmSen. Obama should have greeted mcchimpy by saying: Glad you can make it.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:24 pmIt was McCain’s job to paint Obama as someone not ready to be president by using the experience advantage and he failed miserably.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:24 pmMSNBC: Sen. Biden is ripping mcchimpy a new one on his foreign policy. HAHAHAHA
September 26th, 2008 at 11:26 pmShorter McCain debate: I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
September 26th, 2008 at 11:29 pm.
The OBAMA GIRL and RALF NADER Show…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4nIpvhlgpo
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September 26th, 2008 at 11:29 pmmargerine Says:
Honestly, I’ve never been a fan of this “winning” concept with these debates. You’re going to prefer the guy who you’ve always agreed with in these things… Obviously I’m going to pick Obama.
And while I think he did do better, relatively speaking, I think objectively speaking they came off pretty much equally. I can’t imagine the average person having a real solid concept of who did better here unless they made up their mind weeks ago.
It’s not true. I will choose the person who is honest, smart, strong, truthful, forward thinking, graceful, gracious, serious, cool…
So Sen. Obama won.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:33 pmThey may have wrecked the country, but I’m positive Obama can fix it.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:35 pmBTW, fantastic live blogging TP!
Thanks for the mention regarding the Zoo’s live blogging. :-)
September 26th, 2008 at 11:37 pmI tend to favor intelligence and integrity which = Obama, but a lot of people like snide and mean and lies (mischaracterizations).
September 26th, 2008 at 11:45 pmHoly cow, I was struck by McCain’s admission of the current administration’s torture. Wow, that’s quite important.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:47 pmI think McFilthy locked up the brain dead vote tonight.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:48 pm2 polls in, CNN & CBS call it for Obama.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 pmvote here.
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thank you.
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September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 pmMSNBC, Gene. I agree that mcchimpy was talking about the past and Sen. Obama is forward thinking.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:12 amOnce again Senator John McCain showed America that he is a leader and Barrack Obama is a follower.
McCain was on offense for 90% of the debate while Obama was on defense 90%.
McCain headed straight back to congress to help resolve the financial crisis after the debate. LEADER
Obama is still waiting for the call. “Just call me of you need me.” FOLLOWER
September 27th, 2008 at 12:12 amTim43,
If McCain was doing so well, why was he shaking? Why wouldn’t he look at Obama? Why was he so angry?
McCain needed a slam dunk this evening, and he didn’t get it.
Go back to your little dream world…
September 27th, 2008 at 12:14 ammcchimpy couldn’t look Sen. Obama in the eyes because he has a thing against dar—- excuse me African-Americas.
to me mcchimpy looked old, stiff, and sickly.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:18 amOpps, I just heard that Obama went back to his hotel to get a good nights sleep.
I guess McCain wore him out.
McCain is on his way to Washington to ensure that the pork barrel democrats don’t attach billions in ear marks to the bail out package.
I guess that Obama already attached his pork barrel ear marks to the bailout package so he can get a good night sleep.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:19 amObama ear mark…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/11/obama-museum-earmarks-draw-fire/
Un-befricken-leaveable. The country is nearing financial crisis and the democrats want to attach more pork to the bailout package.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:22 amhttp://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=525132&articleId=2217515&func=6&channel=Television&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false
This troll is hilarious. Sleep? :-D
September 27th, 2008 at 12:22 amBTW troll, that article you linked to is OVER 2 WEEKS OLD.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:24 amI guess that Obama already attached his pork barrel ear marks to the bailout package so he can get a good night sleep.
Tim43
Well, Illinoisans pay a ton of federal taxes so they should get something back.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:25 amTim43
what was your
troll name last week?
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washington times?
the moonies?
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LOL.
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good luck.
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September 27th, 2008 at 12:28 amUn-befricken-leaveable. The country is nearing financial crisis and the democrats want to attach more pork to the bailout package.
Tim43
We are nearly a crisis because of the republican philosophy of deregulation. Don’t worry, Obama will change this when he’s president.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:29 amInteresting that the same democrats who received hush money from Fannie and Freddie to oppose Bush’s call for more regulation on the housing finance industry in 2003, are the ones at the front of the line to get their hands on the 700 billion bail out package.
Hey Chris Dodd? How much more money do you need you freekin lizard?
Barack, your name is pretty high on this list too. Guess you can’t wait to get your greasy hands on the tax payers money too, eh?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:32 amhttp://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html
Think about this. Is this not what NATO has been doing for the last several years. What about the rest of the world and what about diplomacy. Where does this leave Russia and China? This is an extremely hawkish stance. It sounds a lot like my way or the highway. That has landed us in our current pickle.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:32 amOnce again Senator John McCain showed America that he is a leader and Barrack Obama is a follower.
Thanks for the paragraphs it makes it easier to dispel your silly alway ridiculous lies.
You need glasses and a hearing aid. mcchimpy is dull, a liar and a flip-flopper. Sen. Obama looked presidential and serious.
McCain was on offense for 90% of the debate while Obama was on defense 90%.
If mcchimpy gets the last word, it makes your old coot on the defensive. troll.
McCain headed straight back to congress to help resolve the financial crisis after the debate. LEADER
For what? Another fail stunt or to f9ck-up the process, maybe another photo-op. A LIAR
Obama is still waiting for the call. “Just call me of you need me.” FOLLOWER
mcchimpy didn’t hear the people that said he’s not needed, especially since he knows absolutely zip on the matter.
A PEST AND AN OPPORTUNIST.
Get lost.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:32 amMcCain was on offense for 90% of the debate while Obama was on defense 90%.
I thought he was too defensive when McCain implied several times that Obama wanted to lose the war and have Al Qaeda take over Iraq. Obama could have used several arguments while showing his knowledge to put McCain on the defense but he didn’t do it.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:35 amHas any sane person figured out what possible satisfaction our pet trolls, and the dishonest creatures they defend, can get from telling ridiculous lies? I suppose that I could start claiming that Flippy McSpin introduced a bill to sacrifice Lutheran babies on Halloween but, I fail to see what it would accomplish.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:37 amInteresting that the same democrats who received hush money from Fannie and Freddie to oppose Bush’s call for more regulation on the housing finance industry in 2003, are the ones at the front of the line to get their hands on the 700 billion bail out package.
Tim43
Bush called for more regulation and yet he trumpeted the sub prime mortgage success during the 2004 race. Why would he trumpet a policy that led to the mess?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:40 amThe big screw
September 27th, 2008 at 12:40 amAnother bad week for mcchimpy.
Full of schemes, paybacks and lies.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:42 amAny scientists out there? Read what John McCain says here.
I believe his 2006 statement is wrong. While there is some reduction in greenhouse gases when ethanol is burned in your car the greenhouse gases created in converting corn into ethanol combined with the greenhouse gases from burning the fuel results in an increase in greenhouse gases.
Tonight McCain just drove the nail in the coffin in corn producing swing States like Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota and possibly even in Indiana by saying he would end ethanol subsidies. Those corn farmers won’t like that one little bit.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:43 amMcCain got PWNED
In future looking substance
In his own personal handling (McContempt never even looked at Obama the whole debate.
McCain was meandering through his vast store of useless experiences. Totally showing his alzheimered mind.
McCain got McHotheaded and he almost blew his top. Obama was cool, calm and Presidential
McCain is a Neaderthal strong arm Bully pussy. Wants to strong arm people/nations to think his way, or he won’t talk to them. He is fu ucking OLD dork.
Bye, bye, John.
GO look forward to Thursday’s Biden burying of “Miss Congeniality” Palin. WHere is she tonight, what no free live interviews like Biden gave. HE IS GOING TO EMBARASS McCAIN FOR PICKING THIS TOTAL NEOPHYTE. She SUCKS as a person who could actually be in a position to have her lying cheating hand on “the button.”
I t scares the ever loving sh|t out of me, just thinking that she would have to protect my family.
McCain is done.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:44 amWhere is mooseface. Sen. Biden commented about the debate.
Where oh where, is mcchimpy’s vp. Does she have to get a script together?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:55 amtimeh, tracy,
don’t forget
to vote.
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good luck.
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September 27th, 2008 at 12:58 amtracy, timeh,
you can vote
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:04 amthis debate from the beginning was absolutely maddening. from the kindergartener questioning and looking for a school yard fight to the big dissappointment from obama to really blast mcpain on economic issues. why, just why when mcpain tried to invoke his supposed knowledge of the economy obama didn’t blast him with mcpains 26 years of deregulation, until last tuesday and the mckeating scandal. why didnt obama defend the stance of the surge is not working because of our troops. the iraqis had a bigger role in uniting each other than we did. the surge which was tactical for a strategic outcome is not working. obama drop the ball on earmarks….what about the bridge to nowhere and the lobbyist ties and the freddie mac pig who mcpains campaign manager and recieving thousands of dollars from freddie as of last month. what a disappointment.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:06 am#
Tracy__5 Says:
Obama….”I agree with John”….How many times? The whole debate was just what that CNN reaction meter said…flat and boring.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:07 amYou should have watched the debate and not the high-lights. McCain was making more than obvious points that anyone with a brain would agree to. Obama countered by pointing out McCain’s hypocrisies on these very points. McCain said nothing new, just his normal bull$&*#.
I did enjoy McCain’s comic relief when he made a comparison of Obama to Bush. At least I hope he was joking, because nobody could be that dumb.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:10 amooo and let’s not forget obama uttering mcpain is right…..wtf???? even if you agree with him you do not say mcpain is right. what in the hell was axelwod doing or unless that was just pure insanity from obama. why didn’t obama jump on mcpain over vet issues when mcpain has been voting against vet issues. this prick is nowhere close to a maverick and to those who are it is a complete insult.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:11 amC’mon use some common sense, what was he suppose to say, “I disagree with you John on issues that we clearly have agreed on in the senate. That would make him a liar. Like McCain. WTF?
September 27th, 2008 at 1:17 amand not to blast mcpain with elitism when this geriatric has 8 houses and 13 cars. with a actual actor, fred thompson, campaigning for him. o man i would have brought out the bazooka and unloaded on his ass. so i hope biden stands by his word when saying he not going to toy with (p)falin during the debate because she is a girl. i hope he eats her up and spits her out.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:18 amAnyone who believes Obama is more elite than McCain wasn’t watching the debate anyway. They were watching pro wrestling.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:21 amWhy should Americans care about that rat-hole called Israel?
September 27th, 2008 at 1:22 amthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
no….you just say your piece without invoking mcpain is right at all. the american folks are smart enough to figure out what the two agree on. don’t insult the americans intelligence. there is no common sense in saying mcpain is right 6+ times when you are running against him for the president of the u.s. that is insane.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:23 am….especially when mcpain is the reason why are working and middle class are being ripped off by the folks who run this country….corporations. even as far back as reagan with reagannomics….and the double taxation on retirment funds which is against the constitution. and the americans pay to this day. what a complete joke. and don’t forget whoever is nominated is NOT going to run the government. its the corportations and the international bankers. so the taxpayers need to revolt.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:26 amthis was the time to unload when the majority of americans had a chance and was going to tune in. and it wasn’t done.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:28 amI graded them both objectively. What I saw was Obama clearly out debated him early, and then neither did much after that. Mostly because McCain wasn’t staying on the debate rules format.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:29 am#241 joe cantwell
Wow, that is some poll…. made my night.
Can’t wait to see how things measure out after the Biden vs: Palin debate Oct. 2.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:36 amrepublicanSScareme Says:
Why should Americans care about that rat-hole called Israel?
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we shouldn’t. they are criminals. dont forget that the through all of our encounters with spies, most of them have came from israel and the last one was busted what last year in a miami airport over our nuclear secrets. and thats our ally….our $$$$ ally, don’t get it twisted. irans president speech at the united nations was worth listening to. and soooo true about america and its role in this world.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:37 amthis is interesting,
pundits have described
mccain’s performance during
the debate tonight as “farty”.
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:39 amthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
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I graded them both objectively. What I saw was Obama clearly out debated him early, and then neither did much after that. Mostly because McCain wasn’t staying on the debate rules format.
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i think the economic part was a complete joke on both men. foreign affairs i think obama had the upper hand. mcpain is showing signs of early alzeihmers….but who can get elected with that.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:41 amcnn’s poll:
Quick Vote
September 27th, 2008 at 1:44 amWho fared better in the first presidential debate?
Sen. John McCain 27% 39227
Sen. Barack Obama 67% 98721
Neither 6% 8429
Tim43 Says:
McCain headed straight back to congress to help resolve the financial crisis after the debate. LEADER
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that is interesting!
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did you know that the
german word for leader
is führer?
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the german word for president
is präsident.
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in case you were wondering.
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:53 ameven faux news poll shows:
September 27th, 2008 at 2:01 amObama 54%
gramps 46%
If Obama had been too hard on the short, frail old man he would have scared off the senior vote. Although McCain had it coming Obama is too smart to do it.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:10 ammcchimpy said if we invade Pakistan to catch bin Laden it shouldn’t be stated in public, it should be a secret.
1. chimpy has invaded Pakistan.
2. repugs alway taunts a country before its invaded. It’s definitely no secret.
Obama\Biden
September 27th, 2008 at 2:30 amI’ve noticed several interviews with Joe Biden post debate. And the latest from Sarah Palin…
***crickets***
***crickets***
***crickets***
September 27th, 2008 at 2:44 amtime.com poll now:
Who won Friday’s debate?
13% John McCain
87% Barack Obama
September 27th, 2008 at 2:57 am*
had enough Says:
time.com poll now:
Who won Friday’s debate?
Anyone else notice how the little map of the US that Time uses for this article is all in red? And that Obama is strangely the “red candidate” and McCalin “the blue one”? Sheesh, if you didn’t look carefully, you might even think the GOOP (traditionally RED) candidate mopped up, huh?
Just goes to show ya… ya gotta read the small print, huh? Jes’ pointin’ it out…
September 27th, 2008 at 3:05 amHow mcchimpy vetted plain
EEEEWWWWWW
September 27th, 2008 at 3:13 amWith each debate Sen. Obama will show his leadership. He’s being nice to mcchimpy so he won’t throw another tantrum.
Can you imagine going through mcchimpy’s stunts before every debate? Damn
The last debate will be over the top. Sen. Obama will blow it away.
Obama\Biden
September 27th, 2008 at 3:36 amCitizens, Choice, Change
> McCain was on offense for 90% of
> the debate while Obama
> was on defense 90%.
Is that 90 percent the same 90 percent of the time
\mCcain voted with george bush?
Do you support the presidencey of george bush?
September 27th, 2008 at 3:45 amTim43 Says:
Once again Timmeh shows he is a complete moron and wouldnt know reality if it bit his nutsack
September 27th, 2008 at 7:28 amTim43 Says: 221
Timmeh you are a liar and a fool. You only troll this site talking nonsense because you are far too stupid to actually contribute. You just spew out absolute nonsense to annoy us since that juvinile ignorance is all you have. You are pathetic
September 27th, 2008 at 7:31 amReading the early reporters’ postings, it’s clear Obama did better than McCain in the debate. More focused, more detailed responses, and able to look his opponent in the eye while answering. The last one, remarked upon by most everyone, from Halperin to Klein. It made McCain appear petulant, and slightly detached.
While McCain stayed mostly on-message, his attempts to work stump-speech applause lines into his answers were clumsy, and ineffective. Obama missed several opportunities to point out that McCain was severely misrepresenting Obama’s past voting record (and his own, as well), in favor of presenting his point of view on the issues – a strategy that seemed to pay off, with detailed answers to specific questions to counter McCain’s near-constant refrain of “Senator Obama just doesn’t get it.”
McCain’s insistance that “the surge has worked” was one area that Obama needed to rebut more forcefully than he did, given the huge target it presented. As anyone who follows the situation will attest, there are several factors that play an equally-important role, such as ethnic cleansing, and payment of Sunnis to stop attacking US and Iraqi forces, not just the surge of US troops in the region.
Add to the political mix the fact that the Sunnis aren’t being integrated into the police and security force as promised, and that they face an al-Maliki-imposed Nov. 1 deadline to surrender their weapons or face arrest, and the “surge has worked” rhetoric is shown to be a shaky assertion, at best. Obama also let McCain get away with saying he supports the troops – while knowing that McCain voted against the Webb veterans bill.
The Sunday talk shows will no-doubt have their highest ratings of the season, as Americans tune in to see the Villagers’ take on the debate, but it’s apparent at this point that it will mostly be a consideration of McCain’s mistakes.
September 27th, 2008 at 7:36 amDallasNE Says:
10:09: McCain just restated his intention to form a “League of Democracies.” He mentioned Germany and France as potential partners. Would he allow Spain to join, after refusing to meet with the Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero as President? (Update: League of Democracies? It’s a “hidden agenda” to “kill the UN.”)
Think about this. Is this not what NATO has been doing for the last several years. What about the rest of the world and what about diplomacy. Where does this leave Russia and China? This is an extremely hawkish stance. It sounds a lot like my way or the highway. That has landed us in our current pickle.
McCain would have this stupid Leasue of Democracies which is actually a HUGE echo chamber which the Neo-Cons just LOVE or League of Loosers who cannot open diplomatic conversations with other NON-democracies because they are A-scared.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:12 amLooks like BO did well enough to have independents think he can be able to serve as POTUS.
Guess we won’t be seeing the crypt keeper winning.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:15 amMcCain keeps talking about savings for 700 billion dollars sent to nations that don’t like us,and some of it going to terrorism…I don’t know what McCain is talking about ?
antiwar.com/pena/?articleid=13435
September 27th, 2008 at 10:15 amThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows:
Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote.
John McCain earns 44%.
Kudos for the live blogging, TP. I am certain that the live blogs kept the talking heads in line.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:35 amGame of Life Says:
LIE about Russia starting the Georgia invasion.
Yep, Both Obama and McCain lied about Russia.
Obama looked better than Johnny, but neither impress me. Obama wants more Perpetual wars in Afghanistan, fighting Al-CIAda, and McCain thinks the US “won” in Iraq. Biden is talking secretly to the Zionist/NeoCon crackpot dictator Saakashvili. Obama caved in to FISA/4th Amendment destruction. Democrats and Republicans both will give extortion money to Wall Street Sopranos, even though 200+ economists say bad idea.
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm
New boss, same as old boss.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:37 amMcCain so mad he starts swearing. Says “Horsesh&t” twice clearly:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/horseshit.html
September 27th, 2008 at 10:44 amI believe there are areas where even a candidate on top of his game can do better, but I can objectively say that Obama came out on top.
McCain was stuffed full of debunked talking points – Win in Iraq, defeat in Iraq, blah, blah, blah when General Petraeus said this is not the type of conflict where the win/lose mindset applies, this isn’t the type of conflict where you plant a flag on the hill and come home for the victory parade.
I would have liked to see Obama point out McCain’s vote for the torture bill when the issue came and up, and to point out his judgment in selecting a veep candidate who is an earmark queen, taking in $1.72 for every dollar sent to the treasury, with Ill. taking in $0.70. Add to that, Illinois is a very populous state. Second, what percentage of total earmark spending is wasteful? McCain’s fetish for claiming opposition to earmarks necessitates pointing that out.
TP — excellent job with the coverage.
September 27th, 2008 at 10:44 amObama is far too intelligent for the gop to deal with. His intelligence and class in the debate were evident and the mccain will show more signs of panic in the near future.
I don’t agree with everything Obama did as far as tactics but he has shown me that he absolutly knows what he is doing.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:12 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
There’s a difference between fighting the people who actually attacked us and the Iraq war.
distintion for that novel fact goes to Obama…..suck it up.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:14 amGrampy couldn’t even look at Obama, most likely because he was afraid that his sneer could not be controlled.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:26 amGood to see Biden firing up the airwaves post-debate. The nation’s 50s-style housewives will be up in arms next week as Biden breaks their figurine. Of course, Sawah declined post-debate commenting. JulieAnnie, the adulterer, took her spot and said nothing. Pretty sad when you have to keep yourself stowed away from the national scene because you can’t formulate any thoughts, when you’re running for the #2 spot on the national scene.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:35 amthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
Grampy couldn’t even look at Obama, most likely because he was afraid that his sneer could not be controlled.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:26 am
And…Jim kept saying that he wanted the two to address each other. Notice how Barack did just that, going so far as to address McCain as “John” on several occasions?
McCain not once addressed Obama by his first name.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:44 amMcCain aptly demonstrated the Republican campaign style in the debate — knock your opponent off-message as much as possible by lying your a$$ off. This forces your opponent to spend his time rebutting the lies and gives him less time to outline his sensible positions.
When McCain wasn’t lying about Obama’s record (and about his own), he basically strung words together in a meaningless manner to avoid answering questions directly, and he threw in a few schmaltzy stories to invoke pathos.
What I really wanted to learn about McCain is how he differs from George Bush. McCain never answered that question for me. Oh, he ticked off a list of issues where he claimed he differed from Bush, but he never explained why on any of them.
One of the few substantive items McCain offered was his “spending freeze”. However, once he offered that, he weaseled out of specifics by claiming that exemptions would include defense and “entitlement programs to be determined based on need” — in other words, “I’m going to talk ‘freeze’ but nothing will actually be frozen”. Obama scored more points with his “we’re spending $10 billion a month in Iraq and we need to bring that to a close.”
I can’t wait for Biden to ask Palin about earmarks. Oh wait — that debate got dumbed down for Sarah. Biden won’t be able to ask her anything.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:56 amreckon mcNUTS had a botox treatment in that left eye?
didn’t notice the sagging so much last night…
plenty of blinking though…
and who was he squinting, raising his hand against the lights, to see out in the audience? like he was getting signals or such…
my biggest dissappointment: not a hint from obama about mcPOW’s voting AGAINST veterans, especially the g.i. bill…
and i was yelling at him too!
no one ever listens to me…
September 27th, 2008 at 11:58 am:-(
What I really wanted to learn about McCain is how he differs from George Bush. McCain never answered that question for me.
Nether McCain nor his supporters have been able to answer that question.
It’s a sad but true commentary on the Bush administration when, after 8 years, not even the Republican nominee can tick off a list of accomplishments (other than the “war” on terror and tax cuts) that he wants to continue. Given this fact, it should be a walk in the park for McCain to lay out his differences in detail. It’s as if McCain is damned either way: he can’t ride in on Bush’s coattails, yet neither can he trash Bush without conceding what an utter failure Bush has been. As well, McCain needs the help of former Bush people such as Rove, because God knows he can’t win on his own merits.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pm#had enough Says:
even faux news poll shows:
Obama 54%
gramps 46%
I find it very interesting that Faux Noise has taken down the poll. Typical of them, it doesn’t go your way so you make it disappear.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pmI kept waiting for Obama to ask McIIIrd how long we should continue the Awakening council payments of $300 a month. When should the Shiite government take over payments to the Sunni tribesmen?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pmkaty Says:
reckon mcNUTS had a botox treatment in that left eye?
didn’t notice the sagging so much last night…
plenty of blinking though…
That would be my guess. I also think he was on some kind of stimulant drug. That was the most animated he has been in a very long time.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pm#katy Says:
my biggest dissappointment: not a hint from obama about mcPOW’s voting AGAINST veterans, especially the g.i. bill…
I would have like to see Obama be a little more aggressive towards McBush, but I think it was a calculated decision on his part and I think it paid off. He spent his valuable time telling the audience what his views were, not attacking McBush. McBush, on the other hand, spent most of his time attacking Obama. That made him come off as being petulant, angry and mean. All the reviews of the performances mention this. So, I think it was a good move on Obama’s part to stay above the fray, once again, and treat McBush with respect.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pm#misshusseinmolly Says:
I can’t wait for Biden to ask Palin about earmarks. Oh wait — that debate got dumbed down for Sarah. Biden won’t be able to ask her anything.
I’m willing to place a bet that the VP debate doesn’t happen. I read somewhere that the Republicans held a mock debate with Palin and were so appalled at her performance they didn’t even finish it. They are scared spitless of allowing that debate to take place. I’m still betting on Bristol having a miscarriage and Sarah having to rush home to be with her.
Did anyone except me find it odd that McBush took Rudy Guiliani with him to the debate instead of his VP?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pmIntrade has Obama still at 56/42, right where he was yesterday. Tie goes to Obama.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmBilbo, my political senses tell me you’re right. But, that said, not showing for the debate would pretty much be as big a disaster as showing up.
McIIIrd pooed the screwch.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmI wonder why Time took down their poll too. Both Time and Fox have taken down the debate poll. Was it because the polls didn’t give them the answers they wanted?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pmi can’t believe i’ve read through all these… but most are short and snappy… good job…
the Lone Voice of Reason Says:
I did enjoy McCain’s comic relief when he made a comparison of Obama to Bush. At least I hope he was joking, because nobody could be that dumb.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:10 am
yea. my W T F !!! moment.
and i caught where he was going before barack did, just a split second, but i shouted “oh no, he’s NOT…” and he did.
a-fookin-mazing.
these repugs are totally immersed in transference … not just projection… not just co-opting, STEALING, ideas… not just saying one thing and doing another… just bizarro world…
and barack’s laughing reaction will be twisted and derided…
i’ll be waiting…
just the trooll reaction here (pretty sparse, not? … yay!)
(but maybe i haven’t stepped in deed enough) is completely lame and totally, just, opposite of any reality…
the stupid, the hypocrisy, it hurts.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:11 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Time’s poll is back up. It shows Obama trouncing McCain by 86% to 14%. Also shows results by state; even in our very Republican state of TN, Obama polls at over 80%.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pmaaawwwww… such a bummer… but not unexpected…
Game of Life at 3:13 am – your link led me to the news that my second crush, PAUL NEWMAN, has passed away… he was my bad girl crush…
rowdy yates/clint eastwood, my first crush, was the gateway…
September 27th, 2008 at 1:26 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I would have like to see Obama be a little more aggressive towards McBush, but I think it was a calculated decision on his part and I think it paid off. …
i understand and agree – to a point… there was a critical, small window where he should’ve injected the truth about the gi bill – “if that’s true, john, why did you oppose that bill?”
it was at the end anyway… could’ve been the mcEXPLODE moment.
but, i know what you’re saying… and rachel talked with john stoltz about it – i missed her remarks, but i guessed that it bothered her also – and he said that it wasn’t a big problem for him, that he understood why, and that all vet organizations know the facts and will be making sure others do too…
…
ok, i gotta get moving… g’day all!
GOOD JOB, TP! THANKS!
September 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pmwell, in a minute…
look what i found on the googlenews page:
Video: Hypocrisy or democracy? RussiaToday
link to video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqkV1unfoEk&eurl=http://news.google.com/nwshp?ned=us
good ol’ ralph… so much time he wasted…
September 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pmand 90% of those kids don’t know about that…
but, ok, get them educated, ralph, just don’t leave out YOUR part in it all…
Fred Says:
There’s a difference between fighting the people who actually attacked us and the Iraq war.
distintion for that novel fact goes to Obama…..suck it up.
Oh, you mean the Conspiracy Theory that 19 SAUDIS with box cutters directed by a dead guy in a cave?
Fred, you are a gullible fool, and Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace looks the same whether with Bush, McCain, or Obama.
I am so glad you approve of the Likud Party directing US foreign policy.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe odds on favorite to win is Obama, as McCain is a complete and utter waste product. However, contrary to the Evangelical Air that many Liberals, espcecially people like Ed Schultz, appoint to Obama, I am being more pragmatic. I will repeat, Obama will be slightly better than McCain, but don’t expect any great changes. Corporation command him, as well as the Democrats sniveling in front of this Bailout Scam.
I will not waste typing on how I dislike John McBush and everything he stands for. Obama has some Progressive ideas, but there are many blatant lies coming from him, such as FISA, Russia, War on Terror, and the Sopranos/Bush Bailout/Scam. If he lies on so many high level issues, then who is really directing him. The presence of Big Time Zionist NeoCon War Monger Zbigniew Brzezinski, tells enough for me. His blatant following the Bush Lies of 9/11. The lies of the Russia-Georgia conflict again following Bushie lies. Failure to filibuster FIA, voting yes on immunity, and thus eviscerating the 4th amendment. Finally, not listening to the advice of hundreds of college professors and economists that the Bailout Scam is a blatant lie.
Obama has the chance to stand up for the common person, and call these Warmongering corporatist NeoCoNaZionists on their crap. Instead we will hear agreement with every aspect Americans detest in Bush and the NeoCons. Bush has made such a horror show of the presidency, that literally anyone looks better than him. Remember Obama was #1 recipient of Telecom money one month before the FISA vote.
Now, I see TP wants to edit and censor things I say, not because I am a Republican supporting troll, but that I tell the truth about Obama, and one never talks badly of the preacher in church….Right????
September 27th, 2008 at 4:30 pmtin foil hat a little tight?
You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t understand why you don’t offer a suggestion that is better than Obama getting elected.
Even you have admitted that Obama has some good progressive ideas.
Why do you want to destroy our effort to change the direction of our country?
Do you think that by saying they are the same…..which they most certainly are not, that you are helping.
Do you think you are telling us something we don’t know?
Are you just bitter and lashing out? That I would understand but not condone, it is counterprodutive and juvinile.
Help us change the direction we are heading and then we can address the other issues. Right now we are trying to get the republicans out of power.
If that is not what you want to see happen then you should come right out and say so. Your posts seem to indicate that you would just as soon see mccain get elected, how will that help?
September 27th, 2008 at 7:43 pmI have to admit I have read no comments this go around. I just watched the debate on Youtube – away last night and today babysitting our future. I think Obama clearly won the debate although he was not as tough as he should have been. One thing was very clear – McSame never looked at Obama – not even at the end when they shook hands. McSame is afraid of Obama – afraid of his intellect and his confidence.
And by looking at their hands – Obama has a way bigger d!ck than McSame!!!
September 27th, 2008 at 10:37 pmNot that size matters in Presidential elections – but….
September 27th, 2008 at 10:47 pmGreen, I’m a little confused. Are we supposed to elect the one with the biggest hand or the biggest dick? Guess that eliminates any women in the future. Terrell Owens in 2012?
September 27th, 2008 at 11:02 pmMcCain campaign’s Nicole Wallace criticized Obama saying “It is out of the mainstream to still champion tax increases on the vast majority of the American people”. CNN’s Dana Bash just let her say this lie without any response. They always do!
September 27th, 2008 at 11:07 pmKeith – hahaha and no – it was just an observation. No offense to anyone with small hands or other appendages, just saying.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:15 pmAnd well Keith – some women have big hands – and feet too. All in jest.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:20 pmHaHa. No I have big hands, too. I just didn’t want any people with small hands out there to be offended. I didn’t want any discrimination against women, either. :-)
September 27th, 2008 at 11:24 pmThanks for your own observations Keith – I have small hands and small feet. So by my own observations I am not presidential material……… This is all a joke. Thanks for playing.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:33 pmFred Says:
tin foil hat a little tight?
You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t understand why you don’t offer a suggestion that is better than Obama getting elected.
Even you have admitted that Obama has some good progressive ideas.
Why do you want to destroy our effort to change the direction of our country?
Standard Left Gatekeeper response…When you don’t have facts, resort to the “Tin Foil Hat” reaction. First off, Bin Laden is most likely dead, as opined by at least 6 world leaders and intelligence services, and has been since early 2002/late 2001. Second, even his son says all of the videos after 2001 were fakes. Your main problem, like other left gatekeepers is you believe what the Bush Administration feeds you.
Now on yo Obama. Sure he wants to keep Abortion legal and MAYBE not torture, but after that he is standard Clintonian or worse. Surveillance increase, Perpetual war, bailout of Wall Street scam, Lies about Russia, Lies and about Iran. This a Centrist at best, and in act right-leaning.
What to do? Vote third party. For now, it won’t win, because too many people like Fred are brainwashed into the false Left/Right paradigm. Believe me, this will be one of the biggest turnouts for third party candidates because I can’t find anybody that really thinks Obama is a good choice, even in an extremely Blue State.
So Fred, you continue in your delusions, and think how much better Obama will be than McCain, but both will offer the same on the important issues like Perpetual War, Surveillance, Russia, and Iran.
Again, I will repeat, McCain is simply too insane to comment on.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:22 amI would appreciate comments on this dichotomy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_bailout_1
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm
September 28th, 2008 at 10:57 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
I am a leftie and Obama is the only chance we have despite your rantings.
No third party’s are getting any of the vote this year, not even ron paul who would help us.
You talk about facts like you have some…..get real, a lot of people say a lot of things but that don’t make them facts.
You’re just a typical hatful, bitter person that no one can please. I guarantee you that if any third party candidate did start to be competitive that you would find something about them that is a deal breaker too.
If you think Obama and the democrats that are up and coming are for war and spying on your citizens then you do need to adjust your tin foil hat.
The issue of spying on our citizens would never have come up if Al Gore had gotten elected and it will quitely become illegal and a historical footnote when Obama wins.
War is something the right does for profit. Lefties invest in the future, space programs, education, health care.
You just keep whining and acting like you know something that no one else knows though…..maybe it will get you through the nite if you can convince yourself that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
Remember, bush is the one who started the “We know things you don’t know bullshit” I didn’t buy it from him and I don’t buy it from you.
I’m done with you brain. You have nothing to offer except whining and complaining. You don’t want to be on anyone’s side, you want everyone to look at you and listen to you.
September 28th, 2008 at 8:03 pm