Prager asks Howard: ‘Why is it that English-speaking countries tend to share values and fight evil?’
Prager asks Howard: ‘Why is it that English-speaking countries tend to share values and fight evil?’
On his radio show yesterday, right winger Dennis Prager asked former Australian prime minister John Howard, “Why is it that English-speaking countries tend to share values and fight evil…more readily than it seems other countries?” Howard said that it is because “nations like Briatain and America and Australia share a lot of values.” He then claimed that “many of those values are instinctive.” Listen here:
Transcript:
PRAGER: Let me ask you, have you reflected on, well, I’m sure you have. Why is it that English speaking countries tend to share values and fight evil, if I may and I know with you I can use that term, more readily than it seems other countries?HOWARD: Well, I certainly think we should use that term because that’s what’s involved. I think, and you know in saying this there are many non-English speaking countries that have fought evil. If you look at World War II in that period, I don’t suppose any country suffered more from Nazism and savage imperialism than Poland, which was a terribly put about country. But I think nations like Britain and America and Australia share a lot of values. We have a common belief in the individual, we have a common belief in democracy. We share because of our common language, we share a philosophy that identifies us with freedom and many of those values are instinctive. And it is the case in Australia that we do identify with nations such as Britain and America more directly and immediately than we do with other countries, not that we don’t regard other countries as important.
In our economic structure in Australia, nations such as Japan and China are enormously important. And of course our nearest neighbor, Indonesia, is the largest Islamic country in the world. And it’s very important what’s happening in Indonesia, the democracy that’s taking root there, but the commonality of the committment of those English speaking countries and the fact that they fought together over the years to defend freedom, it does spring from common values because values are the things that unite people more than anything else. You may not trade with a country very much, but if you share that country’s values or if you share common values with that country then it binds you together far more effectively than anything else.
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Hey, that’s mighty white of ya, Prager.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:31 amWell that’s racist!
September 27th, 2008 at 11:33 amOf coure, don’t we all know that only white, anglo-speaking people are blessed by god, and therefore they are righteous?
September 27th, 2008 at 11:35 amI think it says so in Prager’s bible.
Yeah, like South Africa -because, you know, apartheid isn’t evil.
I also suppose launching wars and invasions on false premises isn’t evil either.
Messianic reichwingers are such racist morons. But I repeat myself.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:37 amI think people in every country feel that they are fighting “evil”. However, in some of those countries we represent the “evil” they are fighting! This notion that people in Iran or North Korea are aligned with the devil or whatever is just stupid. Maybe Palin’s preacher can just cast it out and we can be done with it.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:38 amHow is it not reasonable to summarize her attempt to elicit commentary from him as something to the effect of “…we are different from those savages, aren’t we?”
What an enlightened sort of 16th century view!
September 27th, 2008 at 11:38 amMost English speaking nations don’t speak any language other than english .We don’t know what other people think and BTW don’t give a shit Talk about arrogant
September 27th, 2008 at 11:41 amHoward longs for the days when the original inhabitants of Australia were hunted for sport.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:42 amWhat about Israel, huh Dennis?
Why don’t you go back there and preach that in Yiddish to quite a few Palestinians in refugee camps.
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September 27th, 2008 at 11:48 amperhaps dennis and former
prime minister howard forgot
the instinctive value of the
rabbit-proof fence.
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another example of
the shared value
of english?
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September 27th, 2008 at 11:53 amI supposed taking land away from the aborigines and send them into forced resettlement, denying them their right to their own culture and taking the children away from their parents to teach them “civilization”, economic marginalization, and the White Australia Policy -none of that is evil either.
Come to think of it, this is the same type of policy that “English-speaking people” applied not only in Australia, but also in the US, South Africa, and New Zealand -to name a few.
Maybe evil is synonymous with “brown-skinned” in a religious bigot’s mind.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:55 amWell, since G.W. speaks broken English, I guess that would explain why Al-Qaeda is going pretty strong in 60 countries.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:56 amSo France, Spain, Israel, Germany, Japan, Sweden…I could go on… don’t share any of those values & don’t fight evil?? These guys are arrogant, elitist and ignorant.
September 27th, 2008 at 11:58 amDid Jesus speak English?
I think not…
PEACE
September 27th, 2008 at 12:05 pmWhat about Canada?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:10 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ent-931946
Check out the new ads for Obama done by veterans. They shame McCain and his Republican chickenhawks. Who cares about Praeger, a right wing nut who will soon be relegated to the dustbin of history.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pmI think Howard’s view of world history is a little skewed. I believe that this idea of “fighting evil” has more to do with shared religious views than with whether or not we speak a variation of the same language (mate). It also has more to do with whether or not you divide the world up into the good versus the evil. But mostly, it has to do with whether or not you are liberal or conservative. Conservatives, not English-speaking people, tend to use the word “evil” to describe those who think differently. And I also believe that this is just more psychological projection on their part.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pmHoward a “little skewed”, Wayne? Both of these guys are living in such insular worlds that they believe their Rich White Guy view of their countries still persists as a universal element. I can’t speak for Australia, but here in the US and in the UK, the “shared values” for much of the population has evolved into something quite different. Rich White Guys will always cling to power, of course, and claim that theirs are the Good and True Values.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pmDamned Aborigines really need to be kept in their place, ey?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:22 pmYes, gummitch. Rich people tend to equate financial worth with social worth – the more money you’re worth, the “better” a person you must be. It has nothing to do with how you came about that money, legally or not, just that you have it. If you’re rich, you must be doing something right. Logic, common sense, and a strong moral center have nothing to do with it.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm“nations like Briatain and America and Australia share a lot of values.”
It can’t be possible that Howard doesn’t know how to spell Britain, is it?
And those values>? Enslavement and obliteration of native cultures, what a value!
September 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pmRUCerious Says:
“nations like Briatain and America and Australia share a lot of values.”
It can’t be possible that Howard doesn’t know how to spell Britain, is it?
And those values>? Enslavement and obliteration of native cultures, what a value!
September 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
That would explain why he left Canada off his list. (And TP should run their posts through a spell-checker. They got it right in the extended transcript.)
September 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pmOh, come on — EVERY country, regardless of what language they speak, believes that they “fight evil”. “Evil” is a subjective concept, in that it’s generally defined as “whatever we, personally, don’t like”. There are a number of countries in the world who currently consider the United States of America to be “evil”.
But let’s look at the English language as some sort of indicator of goodness. It’s true that English is spoken in the U.S., Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand — and we really don’t have any quarrel with any of them.
However, there are 55 countries in the world where English is an official language (or widely spoken, like the U.S.). There are 25 more non-sovereign entities where English is spoken. Many of these countries differ considerably from the U.S. For example, the Philippines contains the second largest group of English-speakers in the world, behind USA. Anyone remember Ferdinand Marcos? And how about countries like Liberia? Are they like us? How about apartheid in South Africa — is that exempted from the definition of “evil” because English is an official language there?
Much of what Australia has in common with the United States (as well as Canada) is that the white population of all our countries got started as colonies of Great Britain. Yes, English is a byproduct of that kind of common origin, as well as similar aspects of our cultures.
Dennis Prager would have been more accurate if he had asked, “Why is it that countries settled by British colonists tend to share values and fight what I personally perceive as “evil”…more readily than it seems other countries — in my deluded little world, that is?”
September 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pmalright isn’t good enough
September 27th, 2008 at 12:29 pmTo become rich in our society you must be doing or serving some illegality or some evil.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:29 pmHe knew he was on safe ground with Howard, the GW Bush of Australian politics. Talk about navel gazing. “Why are we so much better than everyone else?”
September 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pmHussein McCain Says: #8
Or how about the days when US Cavalrymen used to lure the Indian braves out and then go into their encampments and slaughter the women and children. Amazing values indeed.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:35 pmA question more historically competent would be: “Why do you think English-speaking white people have murdered so many non-white indigenes and stolen their countries?”
September 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pmAussies were still shooting abos for sport into the 1940s. Slow-moving ‘roos,’ is all…
September 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pmThe part I like the best is that “instinctive” part. That’s freaking hilarious… Apparantly values are encoded in the DNA right next to the gene for a lack of sufficient melanin…
September 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pmShared values. Um..okay. Australia’s first colony (1787) was a penal colony – the transport of convicted criminals from England. Until the 1850’s and the Australian Gold Rush, most of the settler population were convicts and their descendants. North America, starting with New England but later including the South, received convicted convicts from England from 1620 until the American Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation
Then of course there were the Salem witch trials held by the Puritan settlers from England in 1692/1693. The so-called Christian Right has something in common with these folks. Something recent comes to mind….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witches
And of course, they all helped in the decimation of the native people of those lands. Shared values, indeed.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pmIceland is mostly filled up with white folk. Do they have the values genome as well?
September 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pmGeez, why don’t Prager and Howard stop being so coy and just come right out and say what they really mean–which is that Esperanto-speaking nations are too damn lazy to fight evil.
Christ, they sound like a bunch of politically correct liberals! “Oh no, we couldn’t possibly say the truth about the Esperantians, we might hurt their feelings!”
Rubbish, I say! If the Esperantians don’t pull their fingers out and start fighting evil by next Tuesday then we should boycott them like we did France and if they still refuse to share our values well then….it’s go time!
And the Etruscans better get with the program too, or else!
September 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pmThose darn Etruscans!
September 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pmSure but what about English speaking nations which are too half assed to speak or write English properly?
Drive Safe…
September 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pmSure but what about English speaking nations which are too half assed to speak or write English properly?
Like the US?
September 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pmPraeger is a big fat obnoxious yahoo…!
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmdbadass says: Sure but what about English speaking nations which are too half assed to speak or write English properly?
Like the one that used to think George W. Bush was the cat’s meow…?
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pmLike the US?
That was the one I had in mind. “Do we have to write in complete sentences?”
September 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pmimpeachcheneythenbush
“the Salem witch trials held by the Puritan settlers from England in 1692/1693. The so-called Christian Right has something in common with these folks.”
Indeed, though the ‘values’ of the Puritans were overwhelmingly rejected by the English/British for being insufferably stupid and oppressive. The Puritan’s were the most extreme Christian Right-Wing of their day and they were booted out of England by popular demand. They sojourned in Holland for a bit but the majority Dutch couldn’t stand them either so they sailed to the US in search of their own ‘promised land’ where they could practice their insanity more freely.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pmI’m not entirely convinced that the language spoken in the US can be properly called “English”. Maybe I can sit around in my khakis, drinking coffee, and eating pizza while pondering the influence of other languages on our own.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Dennis Prager would have been more accurate if he had asked, “Why is it that countries settled by British colonists tend to share values and fight what I personally perceive as “evil”…more readily than it seems other countries — in my deluded little world, that is?”
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Geez, misshusseinmolly…
Whilst I laud yer patience when dealing w/ children and the willfully ignorant, yer just a little too polite sometimes. Allow me to cut to the chase, if you will…
Hey!!! Praeger… Howard… yeah, I’m talkin’ to YOU… FFFFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUU, you bloated, racist sacks of porcine offal. Heh… there… I feel better now.
I wonder if Howard was wearing his Harry Potter Wizard robes for this one. Perhaps that would give Praeger license to wear HIS robes too.. ya know, the white ones, w/ that cool pointy white hood w/ the eye holes…
September 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pmmisshusseinmolly:
“For example, the Philippines contains the second largest group of English-speakers in the world, behind USA.”
Apparently Nigeria is in 2nd place, and amusingly the UK places fourth.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pmDidn’t Praeger say something remarkably stupid a few months back? Every now and then he squeezes his obese gorilla-like carcass out of the woodwork and leaves a steaming heap. He’s another frigging loser Limbaugh wannabee. He might consider getting a real job. (But the fake ones pay so well…)
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:29 pmEskimos hate evil. Do they speak English? No! Praeger should start fasting for Yom Kippur now and praying 24/7 that God doesn’t send him to Sheol…Or Oxnard…
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September 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Oh, come on — EVERY country, regardless of what language they speak, believes that they “fight evil”.
I don’t believe this and sincerely hope it isn’t true. I think the concept of “good” nations and “evil” nations is put forth by their respective governments in an attempt to unify the people. Some buy it, but certainly not all. Growing up I heard so much about how “evil” Russia was, but the concept that Russians are evil people has always seemed preposterous to me.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pmWayne: “I’m not entirely convinced that the language spoken in the US can be properly called “English”. Maybe I can sit around in my khakis, drinking coffee, and eating pizza while pondering the influence of other languages on our own.”
For myself, after a hard day’s kayaking I’ll blitz down the frog and toad to the rub-a-dub for a libation and a butcher’s at the pundits on the box and chortle at their non-sequiters.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pmWayne says:
“I’m not entirely convinced that the language spoken in the US can be properly called “English”.
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I worked w/ some Brits about ten years ago. When they got excited about something and started talking fast, not only did I NOT understand the slang phrases, I had trouble w/ the accent too. We DO NOT speak English.
(We speak American, actually.. a derivative of English…)
September 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pmRule Britannia.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm5th Estate,
You do and you’ll clean it up! :D
(What language is that??? :D)
Greenpagan,
Praeger does have a history of saying stupid things, such as the time he wrote that Congressman Keith Ellison should not be allowed to take his oath of office on the Koran (instead of the Bible) because it was un-American. He actually believes that a Bible, and only a Bible can be used to take your oath of office to support and defend a document that guarantees religious freedom. So, yeah, Praeger’s an idiot and a hypocrite. (The two tend to go together.)
September 27th, 2008 at 1:40 pmHere’s one for ya…
Know what one English (British) slang name for gang, or criminal enterprise, is?
Any takers?
Corporation… yep… that’s one way they describe organized criminal endeavors “over there”. Corporations… I kid you not.
Hmmm… seems the Brits have caught onto something we’re still figuring out over here. No wonder Botch likes to refer to himself as Amerika’s CEO…
September 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pmIt’s interesting that the U.S., Britain, and Australia have such sparkling reputations regarding their treatment of indigenous peoples, isn’t it?
Yes, that’s sarcasm.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:43 pmJohn Howard didn’t share values as he claims… John Howard got his son working in the White House for the Bush administration. This right winged pundit got kicked out of office for involving Australia with North American War Crimes, just like Tony Blair did. Both lost their political careers in doing so.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:46 pmAnother characteristic of this relationship is the fact that Australians tends to think too much about North American polititians, as an ex penal colony of Britain, they can’t get over an inferiority complex. Recently, Rudd met with Kissinger and Negroponte, and ignorant as most Australians are (I live in Australia I know!), they acted just like little puppy dogs… Kissinger and Negroponte are War Criminals by any Westerns values claimed in this shallow interview.
#52
September 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pmYou are right! Although Rudd has ‘apologized’ to the Aboriginal people of Australia, they still live in very poor conditions.
New Zealand (english only), South Africa (english & another language) and India (english & many languages) are not exactly in line with the USA.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pmMind you that it was from a British documentary about North American 2000 election that the World found out that Bush stole an election.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pmThey speak English and Maori in New Zealand. Also the New Zealand Government treats it indigenous people a lot better than Australians do!
September 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pmsorry… I meant Its indigenous people…!
September 27th, 2008 at 1:54 pmIn checking on ancestry in my family I came across info that some of my ancestors did get thrown out of England for various crimes of the time. Other ancestry is of native american and canadian. These so called righteous ‘lily whites’ better be looking up their ancestry as many of them I am sure have a lineage that is questionable to their own ’standards’, which would make them ‘non-standards’ by their own definition!
These people are absolutely crazy and the problem is there are so many who are equally crazy that actually believe this nonsense. They are dangerous.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pmThe so-called “white” nations have been imperializing in Africa, the Middle East and Asia for many, many years to steal raw materials and agricultural products of local labor.
One hundred and ten years of U. S. imperialism in the third world, starting in 1898, with the war to steal and colonize Spanish possessions in the Caribbean (Puerto Rico and Cuba) and the Philippines in the Pacific.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWayne says:
“I’m not entirely convinced that the language spoken in the US can be properly called “English”.
Republic of Stupidity says:
I worked w/ some Brits about ten years ago. When they got excited about something and started talking fast, not only did I NOT understand the slang phrases, I had trouble w/ the accent too. We DO NOT speak English.
(We speak American, actually.. a derivative of English…)
September 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pmdoh!… I wasn’t done yet! (@ 60)
September 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pmThey might as well openly declare themselves in line with Christian Identity and British Israel teaching. Never mind that it was the Arabs who preserved ancient knowledge during Europe’s Dark Ages, to note but one example of many great contributions to civilization made outside of the British lineage.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pmWayne says:
“I’m not entirely convinced that the language spoken in the US can be properly called “English”.
Republic of Stupidity says:
I worked w/ some Brits about ten years ago. When they got excited about something and started talking fast, not only did I NOT understand the slang phrases, I had trouble w/ the accent too. We DO NOT speak English.
(We speak American, actually.. a derivative of English…)
American English isn’t ‘illegitimate’ (as it were) but it does often take extremely unhelpful liberties with the language–it often seems to subtract as much as it adds.
In this bit of nonsense…For myself, after a hard day’s kayaking I’ll blitz down the frog and toad to the rub-a-dub for a libation and a butcher’s at the pundits on the box and chortle at their non-sequiters.…there are the following:
Kayak (Inuit) blitz (German), frog and toad, rub-a-dub and butcher’s ( Cockney rhyming slang), pundit (Indian) chortle (invented by Lewis Carroll), and non-sequiter ( Latin). It’s all English! :)
As to understanding English-spoken English, I’ve been in the States so long I now sometimes have a hard time understanding my fellow countrymen and on occasion resort to the subtitles on certain British DVDs.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:23 pmjonlester Says:”…Arabs who preserved ancient knowledge…”
Indeed, though it might be more correct to say that it was ‘modern’ knowledge that they added and preserved until the geo-political landscape shifted.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:32 pm5th Estate Says:
jonlester Says:”…Arabs who preserved ancient knowledge…”
Indeed, though it might be more correct to say that it was ‘modern’ knowledge that they added and preserved until the geo-political landscape shifted.
September 27th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
The Arabs gave Mathematics the zero (’0′). If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t be able to say that this financial crisis could cost the taxpayers over $1,000,000,000,000. I don’t even know if the Romans had any way to represent numbers over 1,000. They would have just said “We’re in a myriad of debt,” and left it up to us to wonder just how much that was. So we should be thankful to the Arabs, for helping us understand just how screwed we are. ;)
September 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pmOh yes the English speaking United States really fought for freedom in Indonesia and East Timor over the last 40 years. Close friend and ally of the US, Indonesian president Suharto was a true believer in democracy and freedom and that why the freedom loving US administrations supported him.
/sarcasm
September 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pm5th Estate Says:
As to understanding English-spoken English, I’ve been in the States so long I now sometimes have a hard time understanding my fellow countrymen and on occasion resort to the subtitles on certain British DVDs.
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Occasionally some of the Brits I knew would slip into Cockney rhyming slang and I’d have to have it translated for me. And as for all the words English/American vacuums up from other languages, that’s prolly what makes English both hard to learn and so pervasive at the same time. We just co-op words from all over the place.
Fer instance… ***pause*** … the word “honcho”???
Very common slang for boss?
It’s actually Japanese, or so I’m told. American military personnel in the Pacific picked it up from Japanese soldiers and brought it back to the States, where it now is an English word as far as most folk think.
September 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pmIdyll Says
September 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I don’t believe this and sincerely hope it isn’t true. I think the concept of “good” nations and “evil” nations is put forth by their respective governments in an attempt to unify the people. Some buy it, but certainly not all. Growing up I heard so much about how “evil” Russia was, but the concept that Russians are evil people has always seemed preposterous to me.
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I probably could have phrased that better. What I meant to say is that no country thinks of themselves as “evil”. And when a country finds itself in conflict with another country (for whatever reason), the mindset is “we’re good — they’re evil”. The United States smugly thinks of itself as virtuous and our enemies as evil, but the reality is that there are many countries who see US as evil.
I didn’t mean to imply that every country actively looks for evil to fight. Many countries have governments and leaders who don’t feel they need to pick fights for political gain. Those who do (like the United States) do indeed put forth the concept that our foes are evil, as you said. This is not only done to unify the people, but to ramp up their fear to keep them unified.
September 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pmWayne:
The Arabs gave Mathematics the zero (’0?). If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t be able to say that this financial crisis could cost the taxpayers over $1,000,000,000,000. I don’t even know if the Romans had any way to represent numbers over 1,000
Well, as the Roman symbol for 1,000 is ‘M” then the expression for the bailout would be MMMMMMMMMM, probably followed by a question mark. So I;m not sure the Arabic zero is particularly useful in this case. :)
September 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pmRepublic…
September 27th, 2008 at 4:44 pm“honcho”–that’s interesting, I just assumed it was Spanish because of the basic phonetics and I think it’s use in a couple of westerns (and my own laziness of course).
“Why is it that English-speaking countries tend to share values and enslave people…more readily than it seems other countries?”
September 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pmFighting “evil” led to the Inquisition, the Crusades, countless and useless wars, the repudation of women in churches because of Eve, slavery, you name it. Its just a brand name that people use when they want to get their way and feel good about themselves while they are hurting other people.
September 27th, 2008 at 6:09 pmWayne:
September 27th, 2008 at 6:29 pmThe number “0″ comes from India.
http://www.wonderquest.com/zero.htm
I was a little concerned about the values that those nonEnglish speakers in Apocolypto seemed to be displaying…
So if an English speaker reproduces with a nonEnglish speaker, what are the odds that the progeny will exhibit the evil fighting phenotype? Isn’t there like a simple Punnett square for this sort of thing?
September 27th, 2008 at 6:34 pmlurker Says:
Wayne:
The number “0? comes from India.
http://www.wonderquest.com/zero.htm
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Actually despite what this website claims it is far from that simple. The Sumerians millenia before what is claimed on your website as the invention of zero used first a blank space then a shell to denote a zero. The Mayans ALSO had the zero also interestingly a shelllike shape. What does seem to be different is the Hindu zero is more like what we think of a zero today as it meant nothing instead of simply being a placeholder. As I said it really isnt that simple
September 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pmlurker Says:
The number “0? comes from India.
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At least we can all agree that one… is the loneliest number… yes one is the loneliest number… ‘Cause one is the loneliest number that you’ll ever do…
One is the loneliest number, worse than two…
It’s just no good anymore since she went away …
September 27th, 2008 at 11:08 pm“They speak English and Maori in New Zealand. Also the New Zealand Government treats it indigenous people a lot better than Australians do!”
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
The Maori were never a nomadic people, and they actually fought a war with the colonial government of New Zealand -the conclusion of which required a drawn-up treaty.
And ask your typical Maori rights activist how well their people are “treated”. You’ll get a different answer to one provided by the average smug, delusional white New Zealander
September 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm