McCain disregards Petraeus’ advice, hits Obama for not using the word ‘victory.’
McCain disregards Petraeus’ advice, hits Obama for not using the word ‘victory.’
Delivering a campaign speech in Columbus, OH today, John McCain blasted Sen. Barack Obama for not using the word “victory” when speaking about Iraq:
McCAIN: By the way, on Friday night, did you ever hear the word victory from Senator Obama?
CROWD: No!
McCAIN: My friends, if we continue this surge under this great general, we will come home – and our troops will come home – with victory and honor. And not in defeat.
Watch it:
As ThinkProgress has frequently noted, the “great general” to whom McCain referred – David Petraeus – has explicitly suggested not using the language McCain seems so fond of. “This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade… it’s not war with a simple slogan,” Petraeus said. He added that he doesn’t think he’ll ever use the word, citing the “need for real restraint” in public pronouncements. Watch it:
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McLame has boiled down his campaign to simplistic, jingoistic talking points so the LIV can assimilate them.
Truth, facts and reality are all completely irrelevant to that lying old sack of crap.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmweak attack, jonnymac
you just keep stamping your stubby little legs up and down and shaking your little fists - that'll fix it
September 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmLet's see, over 35 killed and over 100 wounded in Baghdad, guess that reinforces McDepends claim of "victory".
I wonder if the families of all those victims would agree?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pmThat's because Obama doesn't see this war as a righteous war like McPOW. How can you really have a victory when the war was unjustly started in the first place? There's no victory in being the biggest bully in the fight.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pmwell, if we achieved victory, then why don't we all come home right now?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pmHe thinks Americans are stupid.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm.
What does a VICTORIOUS OCCUPATION look like?
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September 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pmSatirev,
After watching the debate, I have this recurring image of McCain being confronted about some international crisis, and all I see is Cartmann from South Park, with his chubby little body and stubby arms and legs, just blowing up.
SCARY!!
September 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pmChrist! There is no victory, why should he say it? The Sunni's and Shias have been fighting since Mohammed died, and we aren't likely to change that no matter what John McCain says.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pmMcGonnaDieSoon Says - My friends victory can be all kinds of things, why I call it victory when I can open a can of beans, I also call it victory when I wake up in the morning, a bowel movement is victory for me, heck I think victory in Iraq will be when every last one of them are dead and buried, now that's the only way you can achieve victory with an occupation, my friends, and that could take 100 years to achieve that kind of victory, now being a Maverick and a POW, I have not had alot of victories, getting shot down and captured has been a victory for my political career, because I can make you think that I am a Hero just because I was a POW, that works out sweet for me, ask me something, anything and can just answer, POW, how easy it that....wish I would have thought out this Shara thing better though, that trollop c**t is taking me down fast, damn air-head.....I think I sat on a Lobbyist.
You don't have "Victory" in an occupation, ever. you condescending, smarmy, creepy, old fart.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pmThe POW experience and the war in Iraq flap out of Johnny's lips like the 9/11 crap Rudy tried to pull. He hasn't really got anything else left and he's desperate to cling to being more patriotic than thou.
A pig wrapped in an American flag is still a pig.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pmstateofthedivision Says:
He thinks Americans are stupid.
Americans ARE stupid.
Sometimes I am so full of despair for my country...
September 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pmMax-1 Says:
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What does a VICTORIOUS OCCUPATION look like?
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September 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
It looks like napalm in the morning ................
September 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pmWhat is his definition of "victory" this week?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pm9.29.08 Ohio McCAIN: My friends, if we continue this surge under this great general, we will come home – and our troops will come home – with victory and honor. And not in defeat."
Umm,,,John? How are you going to continue the surge and achieve victory when you already told us that the surge ended 4 MONTHS AGO?!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ke9Q-qXg4
5.29.08 Wisconsin MCCAIN: "So I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels."
September 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pmThe military and its leaders are supposed to be apolitical. For the Republican party to constantly refer to only one general, Petraeus, and make him out to be some kind of messiah does him a disservice. It makes clear that Republicans are not willing to accept responsibility for their own policy and program decisions. It also hampers military morale by making it appear that fealty to one party is the only qualification for promotions and important assignments.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmEVERYDAY THIS BAFOON Proves How OUT-OF-TOUCH he is with the struggles of ordinary folks! TALK about the Economy, or shut the up!
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September 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmGotta wonder if Petraeus thinks McIIIrd is a 'great' politician?
September 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pmEarlier I suggested holding onto your shorts (the clothing time).
Congress is voting on the bailout and so far, it looks like a NO. That could change as the vote is still open.
But, things are tanking on the NYSE. Stuff is swinging violently.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pmWe're still waiting on you guys to DEFINE victory.
After you finally do that, THEN we will discuss how to achieve it.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pmTwo things about which you can be certain:
(1) Nobody in that crowd has a clue what Petraeus says about using the term "victory";
(2) Nobody in that crowd has any concept of what a massive fubar the invasion was in the first place.
In other words, typically uninformed bloodthirsty Republican voters.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmRantingTommy Says:
We’re still waiting on you guys to DEFINE victory.
After you finally do that, THEN we will discuss how to achieve it.
Don't be so negative, Tommy, we all know victory is whatever McPOW (TM) says it is. Don't you listen to the MSM??
September 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmOh good, I get to reuse a post on a different story
VICTORY: (1) Final and complete defeat of the enemy in a military engagement. (2) Any successful struggle against an opponent or obstacle. (3) The state of having triumphed.
Which one of those are we creeping up on you f-ing tool?
and to think...they took all weekend to cook up this week's "talking point" and this is what they came up with.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pmNobody heard the word "armadillo" out of Obama during the debate, either. That's because it, like the word "victory", had no relevance to any of the questions asked or topics discussed.
McCain's pandering to idiots is SOOOOO obvious it's become painful.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pmArmadillo Accomplished!
September 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pmJust how long is this "victory" going to last? I'd like McDeath to explain it to me aside from his delusional rants about victory and honor. There's more honor in my turds than this stupid war has had. Where's the honor in invading and occupying a sovereign nation based on 100% bullshit? Quagmire for the troops, big profits for the neocons.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pmThat doesn't work for McCain. He's a maverick for heavens sake!
This war should be all about sloganeering. We've had victory time and again. All Americans should join in and sing the praises of the 'surge!' Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! For John McCain is a mighty good fellow, for McCain is a mighty good fellow, for McCain is a mighty good fellow that nobody can deny! Yeeaaahh!
What a clown.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pmI watched some of this rally and the crowds were singing along to both he and Palin. Where do these sheep come from?
September 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pmo/t the poo is going down and things are blowing up on the bailout bill right now.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:07 pm"Great Genereal", "Great General"
What, is McCain his grandfather or something?
September 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pmMcCain has declared victory. So, when is the ticker-tape parade? With all that is wrong in OUR country he's still obsessed with continuing the big lie of Iraq for the neocons. Dick(head) Cheney programmed him well.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pmMcCain proves time and again that he is a small-minded, pettifogging, demagoguing, little tin god,
September 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm"But you never have to get down on your knees
You don’t have to holler, please, please
No, you never have to get down on your knees
You don’t have to holler, please, please
You never have to get down on your knees
For a little tin god"
When you have no truth to speak you may as well lie...
September 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pmPetraeus isn't the commander in charge in Iraq any more either. He handed it off to Odierno in the last couple of days.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pmThey still can't narrow down one thing that has gone well enough there to be labeled a victory, yet they still bandy the word around like it's going out of style.
Crazy.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:40 pmWhat !?!?!?
There's been "victory" in Iraq...but our troops are still over in Iraq...where McCain wants to keep our troops for a long, long time...even while trying to claim that the Bush administration (and McCain) have been victorious over in Iraq !?!?!?
This doesn't make any sense at all.
Unless the culture of corruption Republicans are "defining" the term "victory" based on a definition gleaned from their non-reality-based dictionary, from which most of their rhetoric about Iraq has been derived.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pmObama didn't use the word "victory" as it applies to Iraq because he knows that there can't be a "victor" when you are occupying a country.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pmThe Nazis declared 'victory' in killing six million jews. That didn't exactly make it worth the while.
The old, doddering, flaky short-fused old timer still thinks that the troops, contributing 6-1 for Obama, are so eager to get behind him.
Another thing, John. Your party needs to get its story straight. Either you've achieved victory or we need to stay until we're victorious. Which is it? (Both are non-winners and beg the same question: When do the troops get to come home to their families, bringing an end to their being punted repeatedly into moving goalposts?)
September 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pmOoooh, I know where I've seen John McCain before...Baghdad Bob.
In fact, there's a whole bunch of Baghdad Bobs in the Bush administration and at Faux News, but McCain takes the cake.
Baghdad John. That's what I will call McCain from now on, while thinking of the earlier Baghdad Bob who kept spouting Saddam Hussein "victory" rhetoric even as our troops were pouring into Baghdad.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pmVICTORY is a word McCain won't be so fond of on 11-5-08.
Wake up, Americans. This tired, lying old blowhard is trying to use Iraq as a diversion to hide the fact he doesn't have a f'n clue to how the USA can get out of it's financial quagmire...
...or the illegal invasion
...or the choke hold Wall St. has on Main St.
...or the lobbyist ownership of your Congress Critters
...or a failed Dept of Justice run by political shills
...or a National debt that can barely be calculated
...or CEOs making a $100,000,000 a month
...or a Federal Reserve Board that doesn't understand inflation
...or a Treasury Sec that doesn't understand free market
...or an IRS system that overlooks offshore tax evasion
John McCain: Older AND Dumber than W
September 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pmThere is "victory" in using and showing tact; a general respect for other people and their wishes.
McCain knows of none of this. Exploitation and propaganda, it is spelled P-O-W and S-U-R-G-E.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmI want some freedom fries to go along with my victory burger.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pmYou know, in a week when the economy is about to implode with no rescue in sight, I might hesitate to remind voters about the war that has cost the country so much already. But what do I know?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pmMcCain only listens to Petraeus when Petraeus says what McCain wants to hear!
September 29th, 2008 at 4:12 pmMcCain's push for so-called "victory" in Iraq, would be committing genocide against the Iraqi people. Bush has already murdered over one million Iraqis. McCemetery wants to keep piling up the bodies...
US out of Afghanistan, Georgia, Iraq and Pakistan now.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:35 pmMcCain wouldn't be happy until he had squadron after squadron flying over the Super Bowl, World Series, etc. instead of the one to five jets/helicopters. In his mind, freedom is a show of military force for a world wide audience at sporting events.
And he knows about sports alright, as a minority owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pmVictory????
Didn't we already "win"
Why cant McLame brain call it for what it is - a occupational force acting as agents in a police state in conjunction with the Iraq government?
He never ever has defined what he means in precise terms what would constitute victory except for the "we won't leave until there is a stable governmen, till we get rid of Al Quaeda....."
Of course, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pmNo weapon forged against you [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] will prevail, and you [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] of the LORD, and this is their [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] vindication from me," declares the LORD. - Isaiah 54:17
" I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Mrs. Michelle Obama and Sen. Barack Obama ] enemies turn their backs and run." - Exodus 23:27
It's time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain, instead vote for change. It's time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It's time for REAL change in Washington, it's time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Amen.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:27 pmAs far as I can see in history. There has been no VICTORY, or WINNING IT when it comes to an Occupation.
Bush himself (when questioned about Iraq) said there is no "winning It"/
What I don't get is McCain talking trash about when one soldier dies in an military effort. There is no turning back no matter the future cost of life and country.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:52 amMcCAIN: By the way, on Friday night, did you ever hear the word victory from Senator Obama?
As opposed to John McCain, who has consistently used the word "victory" since March 2003.
Seriously, this should be a commercial that runs in every state until the election.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:31 am