Vice Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
Vice Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
11:19: On Fox, Kristol says Palin should challenge Biden to more debates: “She should challenge Biden tomorrow. … They can have six or seven of them. They can just have townhalls together. That would be a good thing.”
11:14: Yglesias points to the CBS instapoll showing that undecided voters watching the debate thought Biden won by 46 percent, compared to 21 percent for Palin. (UPDATE: CNN poll on “Who Did the Best Job In the Debate?” Biden 51% Palin 36%)
11:10: Discussing Palin’s seeming confusion on McCain’s record, CNN’s Anderson Cooper said, “On equal rights for gays and lesbians, it came off as if she actually supports the same policies as Obama and Biden do, which is just factually not the case.” Paul Begala agreed: “She seemed to say she supported the Biden-Obama position that we should all treat all Americans equally. That would be a radical step for Republicans.” Another pundit said evangelicals heard Palin’s answer and wondered, “What in the world is she doing?” Read more about Palin’s record on gay rights here.
11:07: On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer praised Palin’s performance, but had to admit: “I wasn’t impressed by the depth of her answers or the breadth of her knowledge.”
11:03: Fox News’ Frank Luntz held his focus group “live from Anheuser Busch headquarters” in St. Louis:
Cindy McCain who “has assets of at least $8.5 million, owned more than $1 million of Anheuser-Busch shares at the end of last year.” Cindy McCain stood to profit immensely from sale of Anheuser-Busch Cos. to Belgian beverage giant InBev NV.
10:59: ABC News’s Charlie Gibson: Biden referenced McCain 62 times. Palin mentioned Obama 18 times.
10:56: When asked by MSNBC’s Chris Matthews if the Vice President should have more power, Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) replied, “good luck on having power. If you think the VP would have more power than one vote. There are enough problem for the fellows who are trying to run the senate now. I don’t see the VP taking a greater role.”
10:55: CNN’s debate coverage is sponsored by American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. (UPDATE: Exxon is too.)
10:51: Harold Ford remarked on Sarah Palin’s lack of responsiveness to Gwen Ifill’s questions: “she had a set of answers to a set of questions, even if the question was not asked she was going to provide the answer.”
10:50: ABC News hosts Torie Clark as an analyst, but only describes her as a Republican strategist, neglecting to mention that she was a former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
10:49: On MSNBC, Chris Matthews observed Palin’s “lack of humility” in asking for more power:
10:48: On Fox News, Hume just said Palin is “physically attractive.” In the past, the McCain campaign has said that Democrats commenting on Palin’s appearance are being sexist. Prominent conservatives have called Palin “hot” and “attractive” previously.
10:45: On MSNBC, Pat Buchanan is quite vehemently insisting that Palin “wiped the floor” with Joe Biden whom he described as “boring.” Rachel Maddow tried to press Buchanan on whether Palin’s various factual errors were relevant, but Buchanan dismissed these concerns as “picayune.”
10:44: On Fox News, Mort Kondracke admitted that Palin is not ready to be president. Regarding Biden, he said, “If he had to move into the presidency on the basis of experience…he’s better qualified than she is by a long shot.”
10:43: CNN analysts discussed Palin’s vagueness. “I think at the beginning of the debate, Sarah Palin’s problem was that she wasn’t answering questions directly,” Campbell Brown said, while another CNN pundit, Hillary Rosen, said of Palin’s discussion of the economy, “I don’t think she really substantively gave answers.”
10:40: On Fox News, Mort Kondracke described Palin as “feisty” and claimed she didn’t make any mistakes or verbal errors – Brit Hume had to correct him.
10:39: CNN’s Campbell Brown said she didn’t see the debate as a “game-changer.” She said of Palin, “The second half on foreign policy, she did seem a little out of her depth. It’s not her area of expertise, and it often felt like she was reciting memorized talking points. I thought Biden showed remarkable self-restraint throughout the evening…for example when she got the name of Gen. McKiernan wrong.”
10:38: On Fox News, Brit Hume asked Bill Kristol what he thought of the debate. He laughed and responded, “Well, I’m so biased…”
10:36: CBS’s Bob Schieffer: “I found it disconcerting, time and again Governor Palin chose not to answer the question.”
10:35: Palin said we’re now at pre-surge troop levels in Iraq. This is wrong. There were 130,000 troops in Iraq before the surge. Today, there are 147,000 troops in Iraq. (UPDATE: McCain made this same error in June.)
10:33: Despite repeatedly criticizing Biden for looking backward tonight, Palin closed the night with a quote from President Reagan.
10:32: Palin bragged that as governor, she has appointed people “regardless of political affiliation.” However, high school affiliation has been very important. As the New York Times noted, “The Wasilla High School yearbook archive now doubles as a veritable directory of state government.” Palin has appointed her former junior high band-mate, among others.
10:31: Palin said McCain will boost jobs with policies that “build up infrastructure and reign in government spending.” In fact, to build infrastructure you need to spend money. McCain has proposed an across-the-board spending freeze that would result in real cuts in infrastructure construction and maintenance.
10:30: Palin just praised Alaska politicians ability to “work together,” yet Palin refuses to cooperate with the Alaska legislature’s investigation into her alleged ethics violation known as “Troopergate.”
10:28: Palin said that she can’t think of anything on which she changed her position. And if you believe that, there’s a Bridge to Nowhere we’d like to sell you.
10:21: Asked to describe her weaknesses, Palin seems to be answering a completely different question that only she heard. She delivered a rambling answer describing her strengths and what she would bring to the ticket. Ifill asked no follow-up question.
10:20: Joe Biden calls Dick Cheney “one of the most dangerous vice presidents” in history.
10:19: Palin just spoke quite eloquently about her understanding of what it’s like to worry about lacking health insurance. Unfortunately, the Palin/McCain health care plan would do nothing to cover the uninsured. She has previously credited “good union jobs” for giving them health care.
10:19: Palin said the constitution allowed for flexibility in the office of the Vice President. Previously, aides to Palin refused to answer whether she would be part of the executive branch.
10:17: Palin claimed that Alaska’s “energy” supply (by which she means only oil) is helping America on the path to energy independence. This is nonsense.
10:16: Palin said she was grateful the Constitution granted the authority to the Vice President to preside over the Senate “should they choose to exert it.” Of course, presiding over the Senate is not a choice, it’s a mandated duty of the Constitution. And the VP only casts votes in the event of a tie.
10:14: Watch the video of Palin repeatedly referring to Gen. McKiernan as “McClellan”:
10:13: Palin said education “needs to be ramped up in terms of funding.” But last Friday, McCain’s proposed a spending freeze in all discretionary federal spending would would allow inflation to cut funding for Head Start by over $968 million, cut $1.7 billion from community learning centers, and cut $3.7 billion from career and technical education grants. More on McCain’s education record and plans here.
10:13: Palin’s recent confusion over McCain’s position on education spending isn’t the first time a McCain surrogate has gotten confused and called for more funding even while McCain himself wants to reduce expenditures.
10:12: Palin unleashes a flurry of folksiness: “There you go Joe, there you go again…now doggone it.”
10:11: Gwen Ifill, perhaps cowed by pre-emptive criticism of her alleged biases from the right-wing, is being extraordinarily passive throughout this debate. She’s not asking any followup questions, she’s letting the candidates get away with completely avoiding her questions, and most of all she’s scarcely asking questions at all — she’s just proposing topics and then opening the floor to a recitation of talking points.
10:08: The Washington Post’s Fact Checker says that Palin’s claim that Biden backed McCain’s military policies until this presidential race “is flatly false.” “Biden was an outspoken opponent of President Bush’s troop increases in Iraq as soon as Bush announced them after the 2006 elections. As Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, he led the most heated hearings before the troops were actually deployed.”
10:04: Palin is referring to her notes with increasing frequency as the debate focuses on foreign policy.
10:02: Palin keeps saying that someone named “McClellan” (perhaps the Civil War general?) didn’t say this or that. But the question at issue is statements made by General David McKiernan, the commanding officer in Afghanistan.
10:00: Palin said we need the “surge principles” in Iraq to be used in Afghanistan. Biden makes the point that Gen. McKiernan, the commanding general in Afghanistan, said: “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ’surge.’”
9:58: Palin accused Biden of “looking backwards” in critiquing the Bush administration. But of course, McCain’s future policies mirror Bush’s. McCain himself declared, “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.”
9:55: J Street reports, “Not once during this campaign season have we been able to find John McCain committing to supporting, let alone promoting, a two-state solution.”
9:54: Palin said that promoting peace between Israel and Palestine would be “a top of an agenda item” in a McCain administration. But McCain’s neoconservative foreign policy advisers have said McCain intends to put the issue on a back-burner and won’t press for a peace agreement.
9:52: As she talks about foreign policy, Palin has been glancing down at her notes constantly. Sure hope Randy Scheunemann wrote neatly.
9:51: Like McCain, Palin keeps referring to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the “leader of Iran.” However, as Biden noted, the Ayatollah Khameini is the leader of Iran who sets policy.
9:50: Palin keep pronouncing “nuclear” as “nuculur” — perhaps because she doesn’t have her phonetic notes in front of her.
9:49: Palin says Iran “cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons” but is apparently unwilling to make an effort at direct, high-level diplomacy aimed at preventing them from doing so.
9:46: Palin spoke about the importance of the war in Iraq. In March 2007, Palin admitted, “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.”
9:45: Palin is making repeated references to “victory” and “winning” in Iraq while also praising General Petraeus even though he’s specifically disavowed those two terms.
9:45: Palin says that Obama voted against funding for the troops, but FactCheck.org says “that’s hardly the whole story.” In April 2007, Democrats added a “non-binding call to withdraw” to a troop funding measure. “McCain (who was absent for the vote) urged the president to veto that funding measure, because of the withdrawal language. President Bush did veto it, and McCain applauded Bush’s veto. Based on those facts, it would be literally true to say that ‘McCain urged a veto of funding for our troops.’”
9:44: Palin just said that the plan that Obama, Maliki, and President Bush currently supports is “a white flag of surrender.”
9:42: Palin spoke out against “early withdrawal” from Iraq, but the Iraqi government itself has already endorsed the withdrawal of American combat forces along the schedule Obama has proposed.
9:40: Answering a question about gay rights, Palin said she was tolerant of adults “choosing relationships for themselves.” But all major mainstream medical and mental health professional organizations have concluded that homosexuality is not a choice.
9:39: Although Alaska does grant spousal benefits to same-sex partners of public employees, Palin backed a state constitutional ban to deny these benefits.
9:38: Palin mentioned “clean, green natural gas.” Natural gas, like all other fossil fuels, comes with a huge health and environmental footprint, from drilling to burning. The natural gas industry is responsible for 18.6% of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.
9:37: Palin said that global warming is, in part, caused by human activity. But in a recently released interview with Newsmax, Palin said, “I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.” In Dec. 2007, she reportedly said, “I’m not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity.”
9:36: Palin’s answer on global warming tonight was only slightly more coherent than her last shot at it:
9:35: Palin says, “I don’t want to argue about the causes” of global warming. She admits that the Subcabinet on Climate Change she formed is just meant to deal with adaptation – not reducing the cause of global warming: fossil fuel emissions. McCain said at the Clinton Global Initiative on September 25: “We now know that fossil fuel emissions, by retaining heat within the atmosphere, threaten disastrous changes in climate.”
9:34: Palin said that the McCain-Palin ticket supports alternative energy, but she only mentioned nuclear and clean coal. McCain says he is against subsidies for real renewable sources of energy like wind power and solar power.
9:32: Discussing carbon emissions, Palin referred to unnamed “countries” that are polluting “more than the US.” In fact, only one country, China, has a higher level of carbon emissions than the United States and the US has by far the highest per capita carbon emissions of any major country.
9:29: The notion that John McCain’s proposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented the current crisis is a myth. Among other things, “Fannie and Freddie did not guarantee and securitize subprime loans.”
9:28: Palin is touting herself as an energy expert, but she recently claimed that Alaska produces “nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” In reality, “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent.”
9:26: Palin accused Obama of giving tax breaks to oil companies. In reality, McCain’s tax plan would provide oil companies with $4 billion in tax breaks.
9:26: Palin’s deeply confusing disquisition on taking on oil companies in Alaska was a reference to her implementation of what amounted to an windfall profits tax on oil companies — the kind of tax that Obama has proposed and McCain opposed.
9:25: Despite Palin’s claim, McCain is constantly telling one thing to one group and another thing to another group. Here’s a list of 44 flip flops.
9:24: Palin said McCain’s health care plan would eliminate “artificial boundaries between states” and allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines. Unfortunately, this would permit insurance companies to ignore in-state consumer protections and would provide Americans with less-comprehensive policies.
9:23: Palin says, “I had to take on those oil companies.” On behalf of Big Oil, Palin has fought the Department of Interior to claim polar bears in prime drilling territory are not under threat from global warming — using junk science bought and paid for by Exxon Mobil.
9:23: Palin touted McCain’s plan to give families a $5,000 tax credit to pay for health care. Since health care typically costs $12,000, Elizabeth Edwards said McCain’s plan “shows that he is completely out of touch with what is happening in the health care system in America today.”
9:21: Palin called McCain’s health credits “a smart thing to do.” In reality, McCain’s health care plan would undermine employer-based coverage and increase out-of-pocket expenses.
9:20: Palin said that she and her husband have been in the middle class their whole lives, but the AP reported yesterday that if you “add up the couple’s 2007 income and the estimated value of their property and investments and they appear to be worth at least $1.2 million.” (UPDATE: Later in the debate, Palin refers to herself as a “Main Streeter.”)
9:19: This discussion of the two presidential campaigns’ tax plans would benefit from reference to the Tax Policy Center’s definitive study of the impact, showing that most people would pay lower taxes under the Obama plan while a wealthy minority would pay dramatically lower taxes under McCain.
9:18: While Palin claimed that McCain supports strong regulation of the tobacco industry, McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin explained recently that McCain no longer supports “raising taxes on cigarettes”
even though such taxes are proven to deter youth smoking.
9:17: Palin’s discussion of her budget policies as mayor of Wasilia conveniently forgot to mention that her tax cuts and spending plans resulted in a massive increase in the town’s debt load. The tax amounted to $3,000 per resident.
9:15: Palin claimed that Barack Obama had voted to increase taxes 94 times. Factcheck.org called this “count is padded.” “A closer look reveals that he’s voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper-income taxpayers but not on middle- or low-income workers,” wrote Factcheck.
9:14: Palin says, “Darn right we we need tax relief.” McCain’s health care plan would increase taxes on middle class Americans.
9:13: Palin rightly slammed the role of predatory lenders in contributing to the root causes of the current financial crisis, but failed to note her running mate’s years of opposition to legislative efforts to curb predatory lending practices.
9:12: Palin accuses Obama of voting along party lines, ignoring the fact that McCain has voted 100 percent of the time with Bush in 2008.
9:11: Palin’s claim that two years ago, McCain was warning about an economic crisis is an exaggeration. In an interview in November 2007, McCain admitted that he was clueless about the economic mess: “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.”
9:10: Perhaps in an attempt to make up for the fact that John McCain neglected to wear a flag pin to last Friday’s presidential debate, Sarah Palin is wearing a flag pin about the size of a child’s fist.
9:09: Palin wants John McCain to get credit for having “suspended” his campaign to work on the economic crisis, but as is now well known there was no suspension. Campaign spokespeople continued to attack Obama on cable, ads kept running, and campaign offices stayed open.
9:03: Sarah Palin and Joe Biden enter the stage. Viewers could overhear Palin asking Biden, “Hey, can I call you Joe?”
The ThinkProgress family — TP staff, Wonk Room staff, and Yglesias — will be liveblogging the Biden-Palin debate on this thread. Stay with us as you watch tonight.
In the meantime, while we wait for the debate to get started, here’s a sampling of some pre-debate spin. On MSNBC Hardball, McCain policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin claimed that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are advocating for an “artificial arugula-style middle class.” When pressed by host Chris Matthews to explain what he meant, Holtz-Eakin said an “arugula middle class” is “a not very real middle class.” Watch it:
Jed Lewinson notes that Holtz-Eakin also accused Katie Couric and CBS News of editing their interview of Palin to make her look bad.
Only the elite eat arugula.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 pmPouring a Sierra Anniversary Ale and getting settled for the show…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 pmHow lame can you get?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmPeter C Says:
How lame can you get?
– - (Shrug.) And you?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 pmI can’t help but remember a Family Guy episode where Louis Griffin is running for some kind of office. She is struggling with the debate until she just answers all questions with a beloved right wing phrase She has the crowd howling. I expect a ‘real life’ application of that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmlet the hilarity begin!–wait why isn’t it beginning? pre-game show?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pmOn NBC News: They said that Sarah Palin is a VP candidate like no other. Guess they forgot Geraldine Ferraro….
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmWhen pressed by host Chris Matthews to explain what he meant, Holtz-Eakin said an “argula middle class” is “a not very real middle class.”
And being worth an estimated $100 million plus as McDepends and his pill popping bubbleheaded wife are , makes them the “average Americans” , right Putz-Eakin ?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmokay..never mind
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmI don’t know which watch:
*HISTORY INTERNATIONAL channel has a documentary about the Titanic – Titanic’s Achilles Heal.
*But watching the debate might be another “Titanic”, happening right before your very eyes – I hope to see palin sink the mcclame campaign.
Which should I watch?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pmcan I call you Joe? Interesting
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 pmYup – REAL middle class folks don’t know how many houses they own, are in arrears with their taxes on multiple properties, and own so many cars that they cannot remember if they are all American made or not.
And REAL middle class Americans own jets, cuz, you know, it’s such a big world and we have to get around.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:04 pmworst or best of Washington?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:04 pmBiden pitches Obama very succintly.
nice,
What the fu(k ?
Palin asked Biden is she could call him “Joe” ?
He shoulda’ said “Yeah , so long as I can call you retarded bimbo”………
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 pmWe got our folksy spew already… going to soccer games…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmDude, she is totally using crib sheets, yes?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmShe sounds like the mckenzie brother’s sister. I am just waiting for her to call him a hoser…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmPalin: soccer! Parents are scared! Fear! Govt sucks!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmMcCain pushed Fanni Mac reform—oooh and three lies altogether– bipartisan and suspend campaign
oops. Freudian, there. Crib Notes.
Crib sheets is more Rush’s style…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmThat damn suspend campaign lie – sickening
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmUmm, she winked. Yes, winked.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmShe respect’s Biden’s years in the senate, but’s it’s time for change. Oh, puuuuuhleazzzze.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmcraving something new ROFLMAO
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmMcCain is older than Biden…something new and reform? hah!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 pmPalin: American workforce! Team of mavericks, bipartisan.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 pmanother lie
Never again to be exploited again by those managing our money…. uuuuhhhh $700B bailout mean antything to you?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pmPalin: predator lenders–joe-six pack and hockey moms demand no more predators. Never again we will be taken advantage of…
,,,ummm with Republican;s in the White House? Really?!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmwow – joe sixpack. I hope they are not gonna start bringing up the “beer factor” lie again.
You know, American’s NEVER overwhelmingly wanted to have a beer with an abusive AWOL alcoholic/cocaine addict instead of a man that humbly served his nation.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmMore boilerplate from Palin, regarding their version of change.
Simplistic rhetoric, and she’s scolding voters, for living outside their means. Big mistake.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmgood point barfly.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmShe makes me physically ill. How has she managed to live to middle age without having her teeth knocked down her throat?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 pmShe is not starting well at all. Just repeating the old cannards.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 pmI may not answer the question! LOL
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 pmThat might be the only honest thing she has said – SHE WILL NOT ANSWER QUESTION!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmAnd lying about McCain pushing for regulation, what a crock!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmGREAT JOB!!!!!!!
He said BOGUS!!!!!!!
SHE DID NOT ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give her HELL!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmNow shes lying about Obama’s tax policy
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:14 pmJoes taking it to her on that now. She is not doing well.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pmPalin: $42,000 lie.
Biden: Oh he nails Palin!
Palin: I’ll answer the question by talking about being a mayor of Wasilla!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pmShe has no rebuttal to Biden’s point about McCain’s deregulation.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pm“I won’t answer how the moderator wants”? She just told the moderator to mind her place. Not smart.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pmShe also left Wasiila with a major deficit. Doing the same to Alaska now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pmEveryone’s on pins and needles. Afraid of slamming the twit
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pmdamn, here yall are. I was on the wrong thread.
HAHAHAHA
this is great.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:16 pmPalin. personal income tax = corporate income tax?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmBiden really has it under control tonight. Good answers, not rambling, really hitting his point well. Good pacing as well. Almost pitch perfect so far.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmGovernment is bad, yet she’s “supports” the bailout and more regulation on Wall Street?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmdid Sen. Biden say income tax or business taxes?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pmOh my god, she just channelled Ronnie Raygun on Government.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pmArtifical lines between space…. WTF is that?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pmAnother stupid lie. Owners of small businesses, unless they are idiots, pay themselves a salary. Buisness income doesn’t count as personal income.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 pmLie on the madated health care program.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmOh and government sucks again ( 3rd or 4th time she’s said that?)
Healthcare – they, can (long pause) purchase….
yeah – I bet that sounds good to average americans…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmDoes she know about a balance sheet?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmAfter Biden explained what the tax credit on Health Care would do to people, she just pushed it again! Is she tone deaf or just ignorant?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmHAHAHAHAHA
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 pmredistriction – turning it to FAIRNESS – very sharp response.
She looks like an idiot
I am glad that I am watching THIS Titanic wreck and not the one from 100 years ago!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 pmBiden just ripped her arguments to shreds.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmI hate the stupidity of the argument that ‘we don’t want the government to handle healthcare, you can see how the government has been running things lately’, because it’s utter bullshite. Obviously the new administration would run things much differently from the totally incompetent Bush maladministration.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmIfill frames the debate dishonestly. Biden’s question was “why aren’t your tax policies class warfare?”
Palin’s was about Mccain’s health care proposal.
Real fair.
Strike one for Ifill…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmBRIDGE TO NOWHERE
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmWell, Another Joe, perhaps we can prevent this Titanic wreck…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmOOOOHHHHH I can’t stop laughing…bridge to nowhere…HAHAHAHA
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmThe “Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere.” Great line Joe!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmI am sorry, but I have a REALLY hard time trying to listen to this bimbo.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmIt makes me Ill.
Nice thing about john mccain……
She just likes him starin’ at her ass.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmGood Lord, he is just destroying her. What a job he’s doing.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmDamn. Palin, quit talking. You’ll poke Ifill’s eye out with your nose.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmBullsh*t, any oil revenues in Alaska are given to the Alaskans…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmI took on the oil companies!!
A cheerleader bimbo is not going to play well tonight.
Why doesn’t john mclame offer HER up to a biker stipper contest instead of his wife?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm“Runnin’ with John McCain?”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmPalin–her ‘tell’ is when she adds the ‘perkiness’
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmI just love Biden’s smile…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmWho told her to say, “How long have I been at this, about 5 weeks!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmHA HA HA HA
He just stuck the windfall profit tax claim up her ASS!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmShe didn’t answer the question! She just dodgeded it again!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmWhat a bimbo – she sighs when moderator mentions middle class homeowners losing their homes.
And then she says, “YES I WOULD!”
This is not going to play well.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 pmBiden does well on the windfall tax—but it is the LAW in Alaska that they get a profit tax and she just upped it because of the increase in oil prices.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmHit her on the two-faced position she’s pushing.
She can’t be both for reform, and deregulation.
It’s senseless.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmOh man! Biden is really on top of it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmIt’s amazing how Paling just this last few weeks discovered the corruption on wall Street. Where has she been all her life?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmIt’s a toxic mess on Main Street that’s affecting Wall Street…
Huh?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmmaybe, 5th estate – but he doesn’t have time to make that point, he did great throwing it back. MCCAIN WILL NOT BACK THAT!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmWhere has she been all her life?
In the middle of nowhere, in the farthest place from most of America, wrecking the budgets of a small town.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 pmWe can thank John McCain for his bipartisan efforts…ph and she’s a ‘main-streeter’, worth about $1million with a government job she works for 84 days over two years!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 pmJoe nailed her on the windfall profit tax she imposed in Alaska and asked her to convince MCCain to support it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm“Gov. Palin, is that so?”
Strike two, for Ifill…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmA.Joe…yup,
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmShe just totally changed the topic!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmThis is sad. She can’t get within spitting distance of the topic. Bible Spice has not benefited from all the coaching.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmShe is falling back on pre-determined talking points/notes she has been given and coached with.
She CAN’T ANSWER the questions, she can just read her lines.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmI wish she would actually answer question without talking to the darn-right-six-pack-joe-americans.
Biden is intelligently addressing the questions asked.
Her record! all three months worth…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmThat is not so – but because it is a quick answer, I am going to dodge the question.
LOL
She would rather talk about 2005!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmShe sure does duck, dodge and wieve through her answers. To bad it doesnt address the questions.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmPalin–we’re not giving oil companies tax breaks says Palin. ANother lie.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmUh oh, brough up ANWR…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmBiden really should call her on avoiding the questions all the time
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmLovely redirection by Palin. “Oh, Biden’s wrong, but I ain’t gonna talk about it. let’s talk about Energy!!!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmJust gotta love someone that sounds like the mckenzie brothers talking about science.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmAm I just seeing things or is there a black wire/cord over Palin’s right shoulder?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmIt looks like there’s slight bulge on her back, under her hair, too.
The question was about what are the facts. Not the sing song theme of change with no promise…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pmShe is REALLY stumbling here.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pm“clean up this planet” LOL
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmClimate-change… how you gonna fix it without knowing or caring about it causes governor??
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmIt bears repeating.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmShe makes me Ill listening to her
Climate change—oh the impacts! look awayyy!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmWhere do i catch the Joe Biden part of this “Live Blogging”? So far I’m only reading Palin’s answers. Is there another URL to catch Live blogging of BOTH candidates?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmShe doesn’t want to answer the question if man is affecting climate change.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmsna[ galmud! Joe’s reading your comments! :D
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmBang!
Joe just spanked her, hard.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm“All the above approach.” WTF is that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmVery befuddled answer on Climate Change by Palin. She just contradicted herself badly. talks about conservation yet pushes Drill Baby Drill!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmShe sounds like a ARIZONA CARDINAL CHEERLEADER last week when Brett Favre was throwing a career-high 6 TD passes for the NEW YORK JETS.
“We’ve to spirit, yes we do, We’ve got spirit, how ’bout you!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmSenator O’Biden…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:34 pmOh, a drill baby drill dance.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:34 pmPeople are hungry for oil and in my state we have lots and lots and lots and it’s so exciting!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pmScrewBush – I gave up watching one Titanic wreck for this one. I don’t have to blog about Biden – he is taking care of himself.
I turned in to watch her make an ass of herself and mclame – then we will see how the MSM spins it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pmShe is such a cheerleader! Biden is answering every question!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 pmThat’s great. Senator O’Biden!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmThere is NO “tiny” footprint with a oil or Natural Gas Platforms. I live near the Roan Plateau in Colorado. The footprint is not tiny.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmWell done Ifill for getting Palin to answer ‘I support carbon caps.’
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmAWESOME!!! Go Biden!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmooooooh – the lady that says man walked with dinosaurs is going to be interesting addressing extending her state’s laws to the rest of America.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 pmIt is quite telling that the only energy Palin talks about are oil, coal, and gas.
Uh Oh. Bring out your homophobia.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 pmOne woman, one man argument.
How about a one woman, multiple man argument Sarah?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmHey sarah, mention your gay friend!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmShe’s terrible.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmShe really dodged that one – she is tolerant and has a diverse family with a knocked-up teenage mom and she may have faked giving birth to her daughter’s last baby.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmUh Oh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmOh oh – is she telling us that the british tabloids were right – they are going to stage a shotgun marriage for her daughter to provide a distraction and meme for a stolen election.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmHow anyone could call natural gas “clean and green” is beyond me. Especially with the lack of regulatory enforcement, which certainly would not change under Palin/McCain.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmOh noes, Palin just blew her chance to be a gay icon!
And nicely done Joe in defining marriage!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmAnother Joe,
I certainly understand where you’re coming from. However, I am wanting not only to see/hear/read of Palin self destructing, but I want to know how well Joe is doing. I can’t watch or listen right now and was hoping this would be more of a public service. Basically, I want to celebrate how good Joe is as well as how bad Palin is. Thanks anyway i understand it’s a lot of work to even present one side.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pmForeign policy. Kill her on this one Biden. She doesnt know what the hell shes talking about
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pmI am grateful we have a plan…
She knows nothing about what they will do. She turned it around – nice dodge.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:40 pm“We’re closer and closer to victory”? But can she define “victory”?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmCloser and closer to victory???!!! WTF Seriously I am sure we can stop some 2000 years of fighting!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmBiden’s being too collegial.
This is like gumming cold soup…
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmI hate how Palin throws around: bless, thankful, etc.
You can see the discomfort as she talks about Irag
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmI cannot key fast enough to give you joe’s responses, and I can key almost as fast as most people talk.
Her answers, on the other hand, are just so simple and dumb, I can’t give you what you want – not that I don’t want to.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pmBiden did just slap her down – she did not answer the question about a strategy to exit – she just spewed crap about the surge.
He clearly pointed that out.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pmSo we will decide when Iraq is capable of governing itself?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pmtbone… but she smiles like a pageant queen through it all.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pmYour plan is a surrender. What old BS
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmShe just gave the WHITE FLAG lie – she is gonna get it on this one.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmA White Flag of Surrender?!! WTF?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmtellybannie
telly babies?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmI know! Serioursly!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmPalin has scored a couple of zingers.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 pmWOW!… She called him a surrender monkey
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 pmShe addresses Biden but looks straight into the camera all the time. Afraid to look him in the eye governor?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 pmut oy, she brought up his son.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 pmBiden is going off on McCain.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmPatronizing and Condesending. Both in the same Answer!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmBoy, did she get slapped down on Iraq. Sorry, I can’t do biden’s answers justice – forceful points that I cannot quickly key.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmI don’t know if it matters, but Palin is not winning any points through body language. I am watching C-SPAN. Are the networks fixed on a close-up split screen of the two candidates? If so, it is not helping Palin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pmWhich Biden parried nicely 5th Estate
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pmOpps Palin agrees with Al Qaeda!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pmNuk-u-lar!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pmno she hasn’t scored any zingers – she hasn’t answered any questions and only spews talking points.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pmI know Pete. I can’t take 4 more years of Nukular!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmoh it’s the zinger factor, eh 5th?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmThe only way she wins any “body language” points is if she enters the biker stripper contest with mcinsane’s life.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmUh oh, she believes both Petraus and the leader of Al Quaida with the same faith; it’s almost like she thinks they’re on the same side.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmJim Wolf359 Says:
Which Biden parried nicely 5th Estate
yes I think so… tough typing thinking talking on all points. :)
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmhate us for our “woman’s rights”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmOh God, I decided to take a drink every time she said “nucular.” I’m plowed……
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmAre we really still consulting Nixon-era leaders? Really? Does that seem like a good idea to anyone?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 pmpassion for diplomacy…. She is nuts
Respect for womens rights, but they have to pay $1,200 for a post-rape exam!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pmOh snap, Biden now explaining the real world! ( re Iran and diplomacy)
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pmSIMPLY NOT TRUE!!!!!!! Way to go Biden – slap that bimbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pmno zingers… at best agreed or neturalized
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 pmPalin: Iran wipe out Isreal with Nukyular weapons lie
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pmYeah, it is tough to do that 5th Estate. I’ve just about given up on typing at this point. I don’t do it fast enough.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pmBiden: Mccain will go along with an agreement but not sit down. NOW HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT!
Great response
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pmHas she managed to address the Isreal – two state solution without mentioning Palestine?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pmWatch Palin speak about Israel and as recent as last week she hadnt a clue what Hamas is..
She is so clueless
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 pmIt is disappointing to hear this become a debate on who supports Isreal the strongest.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 pmenough_already Says: no zingers… at best agreed or neturalized
I really meant ingy’ responses–Biden caught the ball and tossed it back.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 pmLove those smirks.
Makes her look like a pompous ditz.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmBut if they are trying to misprespresent this way – I understand and accept – THIS IS A HUGE SLAP DOWN.
He is probably right – he says no one supports israel more than he does and he would not have joined the ticket.
She was a real fool to even suggest they did not support israel.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmDamn – I am so glad to hear we both support israel….
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmFor gods sake answer the moderators question!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:54 pmWhat? We both love Israel? That is all she can say?
How do you learn from past mistakes without looking backward?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmGreat answer by Biden. Very comprehensive.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmI just keep thinking of Reese Witherspoon in “Election”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmI guess it’s safe now to call Bush’s administration a huge blunder?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 pmmaverick
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmCatapulting the maverick lie and “change is coming”
Past is prologue! Great response. Biden says he has heard NO DIFFERENCE between chimpy and mcsane!
It is the same and you know where that has taken us – great response.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmAll she is doing is abusing the opportunity to be on national television… loving the stab biden is on!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmThis woman is simply an enormous joke………..
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmGreat rebuttal by Biden “What’s the difference between Bush and McCain?”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmBarfly:
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmI think those are smirks of “I hope she cuts this topic off before she comes back to me!”
Joe… lay off the Bush’s… or bushes
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmYes she is a joke but I fear the pundits will rave about her performance
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:56 pmShe is so patronizing and condescending!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmToo many people in too many parts of our planet?
Dammm
What is she tryin’ to say, that she is a eugenics buff?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmWho is Kim Jung Ull governor?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmbronzbootz – dead WRONG. mcsame is bushes third term.
SCREAM THAT TO THE WORLD! Americans know that this is true.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmwhat’s that about nuclear weapons?
is she reading notes?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmOw! Biden killed her with his destruction of Flippy’s foreign policy.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmFACTS MATTER – great response!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pmI guess she means that maverick is equivalent with POW… sorry if crossed the line, did I?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmCan we build some schools for children hear please?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmPalin misquoted Petraeus he said that Afghanistan not Iraq was the true center of the war on terror; Palin turned it bassackwards!
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmA surge in Afghanistan would be perhaps different from a surge in Iraq, so that’s different from Bush policies?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmBiden: We spend more money in 3 weeks than we spent in afghanistan – GREAT POINT and says it twice.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmMFlandry:
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmI think you are right. She is doing well enough (i.e. better than Couric interviews) that the right will love it.
please someone be better than Palin and answer my question?
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmMcClellan?? Thats not his name governor
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmI think I see and hear some anger building in Joe Biden’s voice and body language. Passion is one thing but he has to be careful. Still doinf well though.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmWow she just laid Hannity’s talking point
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmPhew he remembered to bring up Obamas work on the subject
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pmIt sounds petty but we should just add it to the Constitution that to be president or vice president you need to be able to pronounce nuclear as nuuklear. Its an effective screen.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pmDid you hear biden sigh? He is going to lower the boom on the lies about what has been said of the surge in Afghanistan.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pmNice pivot Joe.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 pmWe are comin’ down the stretch now, palin is lying. He can show some emotions now and it will not hurt him.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:01 pmIt won’t work woman! The surge won’t work in Afghanistan.
Are you going against the General?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:01 pmenough already:
missed your question
Biden is back under control. He was looking ready to fly off the handle.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmI think you’re right Joe. I just want him to be a little careful, not lose his cool. An Irish temper is a terrible thing to see. Heh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:02 pmBiden is doing great!
Obama\Biden for sure!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pmClearly, she can’t keep up with Biden’s ability to quickly think on his feet.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pmAhhhhh shyte, she’s just as condescending as her mate.
She don’t know shyte.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pmWOW – its so clear I am an outsider….
What a stupid canned response.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pm“I’m not used to how you guys operate..” oh BTW look at me I’m so cute
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmOh Biden excellent on intervention/genocide, and Sarah Palon now smirks about it all.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmI guess she makes choices and goes blindly in to the future regardless of new facts and situations? Really, the statement is as dumb as her smiling rag doll presentation
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmOh poor little “outsider” doesn’t understand simple explanations. Boo freakin’ hoo!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmShe’s really creeping me out with the half-forced-smile-that-comes-off-like-a-smirk thing she’s doing while Biden is talking. Also, I know that in “Wheel of Fortune” tradition, one usually only buys vowels, but can we at least loan her a few “g’s”?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 pmcringled nose thing.
Gawd she is awful.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 pmSo Palin noticed Darfur f few months ago and Alaska still hasn’t decided wether they should divest from their investments there? Wow, that’s change you can hope to believe in!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 pmShe did a good job to drive a wedge between Obama and Biden on the war.
Palin has done enough to tread water, but Biden’s knowledge, confidence, and fluency on these issues is just overwhelming her. It is a very stark contrast. Man, she has nothing to offer.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmLOL “McCain knows how to win a war” really?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmPlease please bring up that there’s no McClellan, Biden. That’d be a perfect clip.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmI think that at some point, Gwen should ask them both to throw away their notes and answer a few questions off the tops of their heads. That should finish this ‘debate’.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmShe is so stupid to say Biden supported mccain’s strategy – he is nailing her on this.
Is anyone stupid enough to believe that she knows more about what Biden supports.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmDoes this airhead really think she will get away with saying Biden and Obama are lieing about thier position on these wars?
WTF?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmSarah Palin’s “average American” debating mockery strategy would work in one arena: Sesame Street.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pmJoe, don’t talk over their heads!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 pm——————————————————————————–
Ahhhhh shyte, she’s just as condescending as her mate
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Well they are Soul mates
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 pmI wish I were big enough to feel sorry for her. But, I’ll just have to loathe her all the more.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 pmWho is gonna believe the non-answer that palin just gave about mccain – HE WILL KNOW
Sure she doesn’t!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 pmgalmud Says:
“I’m not used to how you guys operate..”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Then WTF are you doing on this stage, Sarah?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmSarah Palin’s “in a corner” strategy….
A noun a verb and a mindless phrase strung together.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmShe’s just called Biden a liar, and she’s also said the pundits would be agreeing with her tomorrow.
If the facts don’t jibe, she’s just made a huge tactical mistake.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmThat would be cruel. Palin wouldnt last 10 seconds without her notes and her rehearsed talking points
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmJohn knows how to win a war… how many boilerplate talking points has she used, and how many has Biden used?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmWaiting to hear Palin’s answer about how she would act as President, should her running mate not survive…
Biden’s answer is wonderful
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmWhat war did John McCain win?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmWe’re so mavericky. me and John!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmWhat do you expect – a team of mavericks!
Sounds more like animal house than a plan for a successful presidency
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmYeah she shows she’s from the outside (of dc) what a complete airhead.
Gawd, she lies and brings in the internet.
What is a win in Iraq?
a team of mavericks.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pmagreed Biden’s aswer was awesome!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmHer answer is a non answer.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmSarah Palin: I’m a maverick, a Washington outsider and will lay upon the White House lawn in a swimsuit if elected!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmIs she running for VP or leader of the revolution to eliminate all government?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmNone. But McCain knows somehow how to win wars anyway
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmpalin is just spewin’ the crap she was coached in – what the hell kind of answer is, “What do you expect, a team of mavericks!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmCount Istvan Says:
What war did John McCain win?
He defeated the Saxons!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmBiden can do the Main Street thing too and then segues into the McCain/Bush connection.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmGalmud, it would be cruel, but at least it would be quick.
Ooh, she said ‘dog-gone-it’. Yeesh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmToo condescending.
She’s trying to sound like Reagan, and channeling George Bush senior, instead.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmOh the folksy!!! It’s killing me… really.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmMy dad is a schoolteacher my grandma was a schoolteacher thats why McCain is the best president for American education!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pm“Say it ain’t so…” good bless her. is that what alaskans sound like!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmIf people are stupid enough to vote for this beauty queen because of her lack of a grasp of the importance of issues then they deserve everything they get.
Doggone it Joe…….
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmSay it aint so joe – canned response by palin that she sat on, hoping to be a hit
/crickets chirping
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmI just want to scream!! She is horrendous! What a stupid women! she just keeps stepping in it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmAnd how completely meaningless.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmtbone Says:
Is she running for VP or leader of the revolution to eliminate all government?
It’s hard to know what she’s thinking, since she’s a signature away from being a Playboy Playmate.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 pmAnd there you have it! There you go again, doggone it! That’s the sound bite she so wanted to use! How Reatganesque! And how trite.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmA shout out! Good Lawd!
Tomorrow will be her end for sure.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmSo she had to bribe 3rd graders from HER OWN STATE to watch – yeah right, extra credit!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmWhat a nasy bytche, they are laughing at her.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmDamn – telling the moderator they had a lame joke! This is fun to watch!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmSorry People,
Bears repeating yet again.
She makes me ILL!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmSomeone please tell her to STFU
I love it, No Child Left Behind; The Money Was Left Behind…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmOoooh the cutsey folksy governor is charming the audience. Ok I’m sold PALIN FOR PRESIDENT 08!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmMention Cheney…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmLOL. “John McCain has already tapped me!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmPalin has insulted the moderator at least TWICE
She knows she is losing
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:15 pmThank God that her political career is toast and in five weeks she’ll go back to Alaska. Good luck mendin’ those fences up there!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:15 pmWell donw Gwen for asking about VP power.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmAll that’s missing is the silhouettes of Joel and the Bots at bottom right.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmOh Boy? This is rich on the VP/constitution/flexibility. What the hell is she saying?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmI vote for Sarah Palin as head cheerleade. That’s it. Nothing else. Get her off the stage.
Bring out the hook.
Joe was smart, he let her hang herself. He didn’t give it away with any body language. Actually his gentlemanly stature was his way of communicating how sorry he felt for her.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmWe are going to hear some real stupid stuff now – she will gush all the talking points she hasn’t said yet
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmLOL shes terrible when she leaves her talking points for just a second
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pmNot to pick nits, Joe, but her simple presence is an insult to the moderator, the GOP, and the American voters.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmAnd this is the same woman who recently said that, because she has a degree in journalism, words are very important to her. Maybe she should try pronouncing those important words properly sometime.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pm“Tap”…”Joe 6-Pack”? This woman will definitely win the drunk, a$$ grabber Republican vote. Wait…she already had them coming in! Ooops.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmWell donw Gwen for asking about VP power.
Do you think she asked this because of the disrespect palin has repeatedly shown!?!?!?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmNice comment on Cheney, Joe! Ballsy!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmGood one Joe! Bring Cheney up more often plz
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmWOW! Biden Rocks!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmBiden has just explained what a vice president does – palin still doesn’t knwo!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmShe answered a question. She agrees with killdick on the exec branch question. Sort of.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmBiden is on point!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmShe is gritting her teeth.
She cannot wait till this is over.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 pmPalin just garbled it, Couric-interview style!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmGreat answer Joe on the VP.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmBiden just slaughtered the VP role, ala Cheney…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmAnd Biden explains it all to the hockey-mom
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmNot for nothing but my mom would have made an awful vice president…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmwow – she said being a MOM!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmStop tapping into the heartland with the hockey moms, at the kitchen table near the shining city with a beacon doggone it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmShe predicted youtube will have a field day with her lies.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmOh I’m just like you average American, thats why I’m qualified to be the leader of the free world!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmDid she just say “equal rice?” Well, the Uncle Ben’s vote just got locked up…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmOk that’s it. A $1000 to the first person that shoots me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 pmand now… “When eeeeaglesss sooarrrr….”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmBut too bad for Palin. Joe is an “average American” too, unlike John McCain
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmget the maverick crap again
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmtbone, galmud, Count… you aren’t helping with my drinking! :D
oh snap! Biden is mommy too!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmWhat is your weakest trait – and she couldn’t answer it!
She ducked a chance to show her true self, and that will be one of the things they’ll be talking about tomorrow.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmJOE JUST NAILED IT.
He does get it. He does understand it
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmFiring those who I dont like..
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmAll of us who come from a party of PARTISANSHIP… (Guiliani, Romeny, Lieberbman, etc.)
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmOh man! What a night for Joe Biden. He just showed why Obama wanted him on the ticket.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmThis is absolutely positively the most mind numbing experience of my entire life. She’s so incredibly stupid. God, please, let this end soon.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmShe says so much, yet so little.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
And this is the same woman who recently said that, because she has a degree in journalism, words are very important to her. Maybe she should try pronouncing those important words properly sometime.
I have a journalism degree as well. I’d be willing to put my education against her religious upskirt politicking any day of the week!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmHmmm… ill-informed but smarmy and condescending. Why does that sound familiar?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm“Maverick squaaak maverick”!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmGREAT JOB JOE – all she has is that maverick lie – he just cut her down!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmshe said MAVERICK two times in 30 seconds – that bimbo is really desparate
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmOh please woman.
She is naming crooks.
HAHAHAHAHA
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm“a diverse background of partisanship?” Lieberman Giuliani…damn straight!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmGo Joe! Go berzerk on the maverick myth
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 pmSLAP down MAVERICK!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 pmATTACK THE MAVERICK MEME!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 pmBiden is cool and on point!
Biden wins hands down!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmAnd the “Maverick ball” just landed in the parking lot as Joe rounds the bases.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmSmokin’ Joe Biden versus The Maverick! Ding! And it’s all over!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmSmokin’ Joe knocks the maverick out of the ring!
MAVERICK HE IS NOT! that is the line of the debate
GREAT JOB JOE
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmOh, did she not just say that there’s been no progress with the Republicans in office?!? There goes her career…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmpete Says:
“Maverick squaaak maverick”!
“Sarah want a cracker! Sarah don’t like the mean black woman!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmGod bless, Joe Biden. He started slow and picked up speed. That screechy little twit at the other podium is finally getting his blood flowing. He is winning this debate hands down with substance, knowledge, understanding and straight talk.
The only thing that will be said about Failin’ Palin tomorrow morning is that she does a great impersonation of Tina Fey. That is what she has become — a laughable caricature of herself. She has effectively shown herself to be a wise-cracking, know-nothing, shallow, ignorant idiot. Game over for McCain. On top of all his self-inflicted wounds of the past two weeks, his cynical VP selection has let him down tonight. Time for him to pull down his ads and close his campaign offices. He’s toast.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmIf you take out the references to “Maverick” she hasn’t said a GD thing this entire debate.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmGREAT
She build her entire debate on the “maverick” lie and joe gave her the ultimate slapdown!
Way to go joe!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmWho’s “Lingle”?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmSolid Gold! BIDEN
She can’t break the glass ceiling instead she’s taping up the cracks.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 pmI forgot how much I liked Biden’s style during the debates. I even think I could have a beer with him.
Palin sounds like she is stretching her experience on her resume. Her credentials are just way too thin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pmJust like Bush, never admit a mistake or error in judgment
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pmShe all flash and no glory.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 pmWaiting for Joe to smile his winning smile. That is just exactly perfect.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmsectionop92 Says:
I don’t have any kind of degree, but I’ll put my education up against hers, too. Plus I can speak (and probably write and spell) better English than she ever could.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmOh , here it comes: the Maverick brought the 2 sides together to pass the bailout bill,..oops he didnt
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmPalin: “I’ve never needed to compromise”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmI could definatley have a beer with Joe.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmIs the October surprise now going to be a “tastefully done” Sarah Palin photo spread?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmGreetings from bipartisan Alaska! Which is bipartisanly backing away from Palin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmOh Palin is lying again—Palin has democrats in her family?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmHer family is “diverse”. HUH?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmIt’s a beauty pageant for her. Fill the time with hot air, and you, too, can be queen.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmUt oh she walk the walk on troopergate.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmShe’s qualified because her kids haven’t killed each other? I’m lost. I think her monumental stupid is wearing me down.
Woo hoo! Closing statements!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmDid I hear wrong, or did she say a while back she wanted the Vice President to have more power to exert in the Senate?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmrogerD Says:
It’s a beauty pageant for her. Fill the time with hot air, and you, too, can be queen.
Miss South Carolina would eat Palin alive!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmbuild infrastructure, AND lower taxes: Obvious bullshit
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pmLowering taxes creates jobs… errm just like Bush?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 pmOh great Biden closes! Awesome.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 pmThen why don’t you speak to the people in a press conference you bimbo!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 pm‘”Answering tough questions”??? You gotta be f* kidding me. She hasnt answered one single question all night
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmThank the gods, they’re doing closing statements.
Oy, she wants to fight, fight, fight.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmTalk without MSM filter – LOL
Palin is an idiot – they will not let her speak to the MSM, especially after this disaster!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmQue Lee Greenwood.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmMr Swuirrel… you heard right, she wants more power for the VP
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmOkay. Closing statements. Time to move on to the swimsuit and talent competition.
Failin’ Palin definitely has no talent and I really don’t care to see her in a swimsuit. Just give her the Miss Congeniality award and kick her to the curb.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pm10:21: Asked to describe her weaknesses, Palin seems to be answering a completely different question that only she heard. She delivered a rambling answer describing her strengths and what she would bring to the ticket — apparently unaware what the question was asking. Ifill asked no follow-up question.
This will be a talking point tomorrow.
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She just slammed Michelle Obama.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmpalin is spewin some real canned crap now!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmMcSquirrel:
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmI thought I heard that as well. Because the fouding fathers were smart and left the constitution flexible.
You can say all you want about Delta House but I’m not going to stand here and let you bad mouth the United States of America!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmNo, Sarah, we’re going to tell our children, and their children’s children, about how we got them into this devastating debt….
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmShe blushed…gawd she’s awful.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmIt really was a pleasure… (smirk!)
I bet it was – he had her for lunch!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmPalin is passing the Bush Monopoly funny money on the Trickle down economy. But it’s all good…it’s done with the “average American” aplomb!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 pmClearly, as this raps up, Ifill was one sided and didn’t give Palin a fair shake. There is just no other explanation for Palin’s utter incompetence.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmNo, Sarah, we’re going to tell our children, and their children’s children, about how we got them into this devastating debt….
You got it!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmGive ‘em hell, Joe.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmA Drudge poll already has Palin as the winner–uneffingbelievable!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmVote for the POW? That’s it? It’s not even worth the snark. Let the spinning begin!
Soon on FAUX: “Palin fights off vicious assaults of Libruls with a smile“.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmI think her Achilles heel flew so far over her head It hit John McCain’s private jet.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pmIt was a hell of a lot better than the first presidential debate. Biden appears to be debating. Palin appears to be campaigning, but doesn’t look as stupid as she has in interviews. She turns on the ‘I’m so cute’ stuff enough to make me want to wretch.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pmAnd now it’s time for some sweet sweet Rachel Maddow, and David Brooks can get stuffed. .
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pmOkay well then, somebody please ask her at her next press conference (j/k… interview) what exactly more powers she would like to see granted to the Vice President in regard to the Senate.
Pretty please?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pmBiden was awesome tonight. Eloquent and full of knowledge and a plan. On the other side, only about 10% of what she has said has had any substance. Bottom line: he looks like a president. She looks like just what she’s proclaimed herself to be: a hockey mom, and nothing more.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 pmCan’t wait for the callers on C-SPAN. My bet is that the first McCain supporter says Obama will raise taxes and is a muslim!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 pmShe’s the queen of the dangling participle: “telling our children back in the day when men and women were free.” What a colossal load of BS!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 pmChuck Todd is a retard.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 pmDamn – TIME TO DEFUND PBS
The have 2 political hacks saying that it was essentially a tie!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 pmWhy is her gang of kids there?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 pmAnd now starts the media kissing of her ass.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 pmGood on you Chris Matthews!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 pmShe was awful simply awful!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 pmImagine if Palin and Biden had had an in depth no nonsense conversation about the issues instead. She is nothing without her talking points and her cute smiles
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 pmANother Joe:
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 pmAre you serious? She didn’t take one legitimate point. She made a few negative comments ripping on Joe, but that is it.
Biden did a great job!!
Palin wasn’t as bad as I thought she’d be, but she got in her share of lies and distortions.
And what was up with not answering questions, and going off on her own thing? Sheesh…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 pmBiden is very classy. She is a strumpet. ‘Nuff said…
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 pmThis woman belongs at home patting her autistic son on his back. It’s pretty obvious even to her after this “debate” that’s what she should be spending her time doing. Maybe governor where she can mostly stay in Wasilla but certainly not the VP position.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 pmDavid Brooks is impressed that she passed her driving test ( failing to note that she studied and then cheated during it). So she’s totally ready to get behind the wheel, totally drunk on power and drive the country into another ditch.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 pm5th.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:39 pmI didn’t hear the comment, but that doesn’t exactly sound like a ringing endorsement.
Don’t wink at me woman!
She was terrible.
Sen. Biden is intelligent and didn’t have to try, he was marvelous.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 pmOh Dear Lord, they’re scoring her on presentation and poise….
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 pmt bone, only the first sentence represents Brooks opinion. The rest was all me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 pmEither these media people need to call it in regards to a winner or just say they don’t want to be biased. I can get it in Brokaw’s case since he moderates the next presidential debate, but saying it was a tie is a lame answer after giving it the level of hype it received.
BTW…Pat Buchanan is living in his own neocon universe right now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 pm5th.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 pmThat’s what I figured, but driving test? Every 16 year old kid passes that test.
Pat Buchanan thinks Sara is more attractive than Joe. Good to know Pat isn;t conflicted in that way.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 pmPat Buchanan finally got himself another hard on.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 pmHow long did she talk to kissenger?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 pmRepugs and the lying liars in the media cannot have it both ways
They want to proclaim she won the debate
And then that she cannot talk to the press.
This is an inherent contradiction.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 pmLocal Reichradio has a post debate call-in poll. 74 to 9 in favor of Biden. But, the callers they are accepting (I was barred months ago) are saying it “won’t make them vote for a Muslim” and similar rot.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmPat’s more attractive than Dumbya and Cheney, but I wouldn’t have a pageant or any other contest to get to that conclusion.
I’m just being a smartass.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmNot surprisingly, most of the C-SPAN callers sound like they are in Jon Stewart’s focus group. i.e. largely incoherent.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmbuchanan is out of touch just like all repugs.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:47 pmThus far, no one ( pundits) has mentioned the long debunked lies that Sarah used.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:47 pmShe did better than I thought she would. The only blatant problem was her response to Cheney’s claim of being in the legislative, executive or whatever branch he thinks the VP is in.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:47 pmMike Beschloss also just commented on Biden’s open-ness, contrasted with Palin’s behavior, which was to re-frame uncomfortable questions.
Palin’s scripted, is the consensus.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:48 pmOkay I’ve had enough of this. Biden is qualified, Palin isn’t.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:48 pmGoodnight.
We have a winner! Atlanta calls in with Obama will raise my taxes!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 pmBe the first kid on your block to get your very own
Sara Palin wind Up doll……………..
Yes folks we have it, one genuine Barbie size and shape doll, brunette colored hair of course, wearing a red whatever with a string in the middle of its back tied to a plastic ring that when you pull it…………..
The legs and arms will move mechanically, the eye will wink and the tilted mouth says……. I’m a maverick, John is great, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts etc etc etc……
(Insert your very own Sara comment here.)
This would be great if thousands of these were made up and given out at debates and campaign stops.
Hint Hint for someone that makes toys………
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 pmCheck the internets. “General McClellan” is a derisive name right wingers use for Scott McClellan, the former spokesman turned whistleblower.
Palin goofed up and forget the commanding officer in Afghanistan is General David McKiernan.
Ha-ha. She’s another empty winger!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 pmDid Kissenger chain her to his throne?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 pmI’d like to know the Dems Palin appointed in the AK govt.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:50 pmNYT’s reporter is saying since she didn’t lose, she won.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmBig Eugene. That is what I was thinking. Even if she didn’t have anyone in her cabinet, they will find some democratic DMV worker hired during her tenure.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 pmAnd when she diverted from her script like on the VP executive or legislative question she showed how utterly clueless she really is.
Biden OTOH knew exactly what he was talking about when he chastised Cheneys role as VP
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pmSarah Palin gave repetitive jingoist answers and strung out whacky phrases that would have gotten another politician a recount initiative going in any other state or district.
That’s how I’d sum it up if I was a pundit.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pmOh Dear Lord, they’re scoring her on presentation and poise….
-Who Lied Today
Don’t watch the commentary. I watched the debate on CSPAN and then turned off the television. Palin did good but Biden was better. She really didn’t go into specifics on anything and she avoided answering some questions.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 pmbarfly Says:
NYT’s reporter is saying since she didn’t lose, she won.
I know she is/was for the Special Olympics, but I didn’t know she WAS a competitor!
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 pmPalin used every cliche she could think of, except asking Jeeeesus to stop the witchcraft.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 pmjb Says:
Palin used every cliche she could think of, except asking Jeeeesus to stop the witchcraft.
Jebus only helps those who help themselves.
Then again, her pastor probably has Gwen in his sights now.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 pmWell it really is an unfair match up. Biden is qualified to be VP and President. Palin is not even remotely qualified. So considering her complete lack of qualifications and knowledge Palin did well.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:57 pmThe RNC should just run a campaign slogan that goes:
“We don’t need or use facts. Don’t you feel the same?”
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmFor some reason she kept on coming back to “Obama voted against funding the troops” when McCain did the same thing.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmGwen should have asked her is she planned to continue breeding is she became VP?
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmJohn Oliver’s there!
Chech out C-Span…
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:00 pmShe tried to take over Gwen’s position>
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:00 pmHe just tried to Riff on Susan Rice!
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:00 pmMcCain campaign handlers must have instructed Sarah a lot to keep reading notes given to her which say:
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:01 pmMcCain is the Maverick, McCain is the greatest, McCain is problem solver..etc..etc.
And she read a lot of those notes tonight.
Keeriist, she has as many kids as McCain has houses.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pmAt least we know her uterus works.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pmgalmud Says:
Well it really is an unfair match up. Biden is qualified to be VP and President. Palin is not even remotely qualified. So considering her complete lack of qualifications and knowledge Palin did well.
I’m just surprised so many people are calling this her shining moment. After taking a hellacious beating, I guess a kick to the ribs doesn’t look so bad.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pmI think they just warned Fred Thompson, about Oliver, ’cause he said he’d turn away, if someone came over…
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:04 pmThe part of the debate that really made me cringe happened after the fact. As noted in the liveblogging, Palin wore this honking big jeweled flag pin. In the family gathering afterwards, she picked up her son and plopped him down on the side of her chest that the pin was on. As a mother I learned I couldn’t even wear a watch without scratching my child. I would NEVER have worn jewelry like that and then put a baby on it.
This may seem like a minor issue, and considering the weight of the many issues discussed, I agree it is, but it was the one thing I had the strongest personal reaction to.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pmI might have missed something, with all the laughing and retching, but did she provide even one direct, specific, truthful, answer? I didn’t catch any.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm10:12: Palin unleashes a flurry of folksiness: “There you go Joe, there you go again…now doggone it.”
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At least Reagan could pull off a maneuver like that. Palin should know she’s not in Reagan’s league (and certainly not Biden’s).
I can’t wait to hear these exact words coming from Tina Fey’s lips. And they will — the SNL writers won’t have to change a thing.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:07 pmMaybe because many half-expected her to break down in tears and run of the stage or something
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:07 pm10:45: On MSNBC Pat Buchanan is quite vehemently insisting that Palin “wiped the floor” with Joe Biden who he described as “boring.” Rachel Maddow tried to press Buchanan on whether Palin’s various factual errors were relevant, but Buchanan dismissed these concerns as “picayune.”
He’s out of touch.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:09 pmWas Palin reading live feed from her podium?
She was reading something, and I didn’t see her turning any peices of paper.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:10 pmgalmud Says:
Maybe because many half-expected her to break down in tears and run of the stage or something
I was expecting McCain to suspend the debate midway in lieu of a faux emergency.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:11 pmTo quote Sen. Biden: “Facts matter“. A pity that Mr. Buchannan and his ilk don’t understand that.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:13 pmshe was like a 8th grade debate student who won a contest to debate with a famous Senator.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:14 pmGame of Life Says:
she was like a 8th grade debate student
I beg to differ. An 8th grade debate student would know enough to answer the question, or at least touch on it tangentially.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:16 pmJudge refuses to block Alaska Troopergate probe. –Associated Press, http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93IOCMO0
Wonder why none of the talking heads on the news networks haven’t mention this yet, or maybe they have?
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 pmplain: I’m a white woman, and I look good, I can wear heels and I’m entitled to answer my way. I don’t care about the middle class, let alone the poor.
I don’t give a damn about dark people, it’s about my accent and my way to bring the country together from the top down. I blame wall st and the middle class for being stupid enough to sign a mortgage that they knew was too high.
She lost big time!
She was arrogant, nasty, choppy, staged, silly, evasive, plastic and condescending.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 pmI think Palin did great if you want to see answers made up by stringing talking points together. I think the best description of the Republican Party I ever heard, was they look good on paper, but when it comes to governing, they really can’t do it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:28 pmExcuse me. ;)
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:30 pmNice list Game of life. May I add: dishonest, ignorant, dogmatic, vindictive,reckless, partisan, primitive, delusional, aggressive and incurious?
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:30 pmhockey mom = white people
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 pmWow all repugs sound alike.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 pmShe needs to wink at me more, then I’ll vote for her!
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:33 pmNews Flash!
Early returns in the Hannity and Colmes viewer poll show that Failin’ Palin won the debate 86 percent to 12 percent over Biden.
Who’d a thunk it? Oh, yea, a bunch of brain-dead FoxSnooze/Hannity dead-enders.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:34 pmShe ain’t no high-falutin smartie pants, I’m votin fer her!
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:34 pmPalin performed better than I expected… but that is just it, she merely performed. No substance, no clear statements of where she stands on issues and a bunch of smooth over talk on questions she could not answer.
Performers belong in the entertainment business, not the people’s business.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:37 pmShe makes me physically ill. How has she managed to live to middle age without having her teeth knocked down her throat?
Seconded. I tried watching the debate on five occasions, and each time had to turn it off simply because of her voice, not even the tripe she was spouting.
I’m very glad to have found this thread to get the play-by-play on what went down. Thank, guys.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:37 pmConsensus among non GoOPers and those trying to be impartial seems to be that it was over when Biden deconstructed the “Maverick” myth as Bible Spice gritted her teeth.
Who’s going to play Biden and feed Tina, “no it’s nots”, “that’s not trues” and “are you really that stupids” on SNL?
Could it be possible, after a multitude of attempts, that the GOP campaign finally managed to “jump the shark”?
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:38 pmHere’s my post debate blogging, which is not all-inclusive, mind you. Still, I think I brought up some insightful observations.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmKrazny Says:
I think Palin did great if you want to see answers made up by stringing talking points together.
“Talking points”, “factual errors”, misdirecting the topic, and flat out lies are all they have left.
The 27%ers probably drank that koolaide right down and the right wing pundits will be serving them some more.
Too bad her “facts” were blown completely out of the water.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 pmAnd doublespeak never impresses me.
# 465 tom
I could not find the poll to vote on faux… funny how they run things.
here is cnn.com:
Quick Vote
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pmWho fared better in the vice presidential debate?
Sen. Joe Biden 72% 84132
Gov. Sarah Palin 25% 29541
Neither 3% 3751
I have been in many college debates and never were we able to bring in notes. That’s cheating! Why in the hell did they let her bring notes?
Be that as it may, her performance was pitiful. All she did was recite things she had memorized and often her memorized speech had nothing to do with the question. She’s asked a question about bankruptcy and she answers it with a canned speech about energy.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pmHeh! Drudge ended his poll before the debate ended. I think Ms. Palin did well among the Drudgers.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pmhad enough Says:
I could not find the poll to vote on faux… funny how they run things.
After the Obama-McCain debate they had a poll on Fox. But once it became clear that Obama was the winner, they took it down. Talk about sticking your head in the sand.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 pmPalin made it clear tonight that she is fully prepared to be a member of the GOP freak show. Shallow lying poser.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 pmSarah Palin is in postion to argue with Biden over McCain’s Senate voting record because she knew McCain for little over month and half, while Senator Biden knew McCain since 1983 when Sarah was still in high school.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 pmNat Says:
Palin did good but Biden was better. She really didn’t go into specifics on anything and she avoided answering some questions.
The only way that Sarah Palin “did good” was that she actually spoke in complete sentences. But that was because they were memorized talking points.
Why in the hell did they let her bring in notes. Have you ever seen a real debate where people were able to bring in notes?
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmI found the Fox poll, but it just didn’t work. Must be a technical glitch, right, not a political tactic right, I mean they’re fair and balanced, right?
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmBuchanan is plum drunk on that koolaide, sheesh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmsectionop92 Says:
barfly Says:
NYT’s reporter is saying since she didn’t lose, she won.
I know she is/was for the Special Olympics, but I didn’t know she WAS a competitor!
HAHAHAHA
Shut UP
HAHAHAHA
BTW-she is against Special Olympics.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmI think you might have to make a donation to the GOP in order to vote in FAUX polls.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pmIf I was gonna vote for a pair of Mavericks, they’d have to be Brett and Bart. I like their folksy riverboat gambler charm, and they win more than they lose. Remember, always keep a thousand dollar bill sown into the lining of your jacket in case of emergency!
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:56 pmWe are going to fix it.
We are mavericks.
Wall Street is the problem.
We know how the fix it.
We will cut taxes.
Pllllleeeeaaaasssseeee elaborate momma plain.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 pmMrs. Palin, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 amcheck out time.com:
Who won the vice-presidential debate?
90% Joe Biden
10% Sarah Palin
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 am10:49: On MSNBC, Chris Matthews observed Palin’s “lack of humility” in asking for more power:
No, It should scare the ever loving SH|T out of every American. A neophyte, beauuty Queen wants more power than Dick Cheney.
I repeat:
A neophyte, beauuty Queen wants more power than Dick Cheney.
THAT SHOULD STOP US IN OUR SHOES.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 amdo we really want
tracy flick to be
a heart beat away
from the nuclear codes?
^
i don’t think so.
#
thank you.
:)
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 amNuke-u-ler Joe. It’s pronounced nuke-u-ler.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:09 amBoy did Gwen Ifill cave to the right wing threats and intimidation. Not only did she not show bias towards Biden she didn’t even function as a moderator. She didn’t ask one follow-up question and she constantly let Palin get away with not answering the question that was asked.
Pathetic. She didn’t do her reputation as a journalist any good tonight.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:09 amAfter the debate we keep hearing from all these “swing voters” or “undecideds” who are being asked if the debate swayed their opinions. This reminds me of the same animals who couldn’t decide if they would vote for Jesse Jackson or George H.W. Bush.
Are they just full of shit, or what?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:11 amAnd what’s with the Joe SIx Pack bullsh|T. Are the GOOPERS a bunch of alcoholics…Drinking with W, Joe Sixpacks. Hey FCUK YOU GOP, I am not identified by my drinking habits.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:11 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Boy did Gwen Ifill cave to the right wing threats and intimidation. …
Probably the whole point of the last week of bashing Ifill by the right wing to make sure she wouldn’t challenge Palin.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 amdrlarrymitchell Says:
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Mrs. Palin, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 am
10 extra points for the Doc
Not only did he get a Billy Madison referrence in , he chose a fictional movie character who is supposedly stupid who is smarter than Bible Spice………………..
Kudos to you.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 amIs al Qaeda in Afghanistan?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 amGame of Life Says:
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Is al Qaeda in Afghanistan?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 am
Nope
They’re in Crawford , Texas and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:19 amJoe Sixpack didn’t buy her folksy shtick.
At least Pat Buchanan’s fantasies are stoked for life…
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 amHave no fear. The Reichwhiners are already starting up with “Ifill always let Biden have the last word”! WTF?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 amis Pat Buchannon wearing a “Horny for Palin” campaign button?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Who in the hell in their right mind refers to themselves as a “maverick”? What an idiot.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 am
Perhaps she has stolen and branded moose that belonged to other Alaskans?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 amWhat election has Pat Buchanan , McDepends’ only contemporary as far as age goes , ever won ?
Why is this stupid old fu(k even asked his opinion at all ?
He is nothing but a partisan loser ……….
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 am“They hate us for our freedom.” Where is she at?
It was a slow mo train wreck. She was knocked the f0uck out.
She is a mess.
It was funny as hell!! She didn’t win miss alaska and she didn’t this “debate.”
Gawd, she sure showed her ignorance with all the unnecessary country alaska\fargo bs. EEEE it’s wearing very thin. It’s like lip gloss on a pig. Yuck. Very irritating/annoying.
A second Holacaust? What a bunch of crap. She should read more.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 amtime.com is now at:
Who won the vice-presidential debate?
92% Joe Biden
8% Sarah Palin
check out result map – Biden carries every state
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 amOnly answering the questions you want is not debating–and that winking crap is too GDumbya.
“Well gosh darn, slap my knee, wink wink.”
I’ve had enough of ‘gee shucks’ politics-it’s time for someone intelligent to step in
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 amReichradiots agree. She did a great job of avoiding “Ifill’s gothcha questions”.
We can’t reason with these people. We have to outnumber them. Encourage every sane person you meet to vote.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 amYou know what I found extremely insulting ?
This stupid broad trying to claim Wasilla/Alaska , is a micro-cosm of “middle America”……………HUH ???????
Excuse me ………………..?
I live in a “relatively” small town , 6-8 miles from New York City ; if any mayor in this town ever left office leaving a $22 million dollar debt on us residents here , I would be 1 of about 500 people looking to kick the ever-loving shit out of that d-bag………………….
And a state that has a total population of around 600,000 and constantly mulls the prospect of proclaiming themselves a separate entity and not part of the US , is what “middle America” believes ?
She’s an imbecile , plain and simple………..
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:36 ampete Says:
Nuke-u-ler Joe. It’s pronounced nuke-u-ler.
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i’ll eat her cupcakes pete.
but i won’t vote for her.
or her friend.
^
thank you.
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October 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 amAlecto Says:
And what’s with the Joe SIx Pack bullsh|T. Are the GOOPERS a bunch of alcoholics…Drinking with W, Joe Sixpacks. Hey FCUK YOU GOP, I am not identified by my drinking habits.
I hate that shyte too.
Last go around repugs overused the phrase “one can have a drink with on-again/off again chimpy.” Yeah, right.
It’s literately idiotic to use phrases that seem like code words to separate people. It’s sickening. Racist.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 amtom Says:
News Flash!
Early returns in the Hannity and Colmes viewer poll show that Failin’ Palin won the debate 86 percent to 12 percent over Biden.
Who’d a thunk it? Oh, yea, a bunch of brain-dead FoxSnooze/Hannity dead-enders.
As cnn.com has Biden above 70%
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 amand time.com has biden at 92%,
and the fact we can not vote on faux poll if we can find it something appears fauxy naughty.
I won’t trust plain with a match.
Go Obama\Biden
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 amI will look forward to tomorrow’s desperate spinning and squawking but, till then:
G’night good people.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 amYou too trolls, wherever you are. Poor widdle things.
Palin was one of Buchanan’s “pitchfork people” supporters so he’s always gaga over her. Doesn’t mean crap.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 amOkay, what did I do–I clicked on JurassicPork’s links above at #470, and now, at least on my computer, the links are gone. Anyone see them on your screen?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:55 amWho in the hell in their right mind refers to themselves as a “maverick”?
Someone told her it meant a beautiful and powerful woman.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 amHere’s an explanation of the romance between Palin and Buchanan. http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/08/29/palin-buchanan/
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 amBe the first kid on your block to get your very own
Sara Palin wind Up doll……………..
Yes folks we have it, one genuine Barbie size and shape doll, brunette colored hair of course, wearing a red whatever with a string in the middle of its back tied to a plastic ring that when you pull it…………..
The legs and arms will move mechanically, the eye will wink and the tilted mouth says……. I’m a maverick, John is great, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts etc etc etc……
Better yet… simply a pull-string Sarah doll, where each pull of the string she gives a random answer from one of her real interviews.
You could have hours of fun conducting your own little Palin interviews at home! And it wouldn’t matter which answer came out to which question!
Just like in real life!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:00 amGame of Life Says:
sectionop92 Says:
barfly Says:
NYT’s reporter is saying since she didn’t lose, she won.
I know she is/was for the Special Olympics, but I didn’t know she WAS a competitor!
HAHAHAHA
Shut UP
HAHAHAHA
BTW-she is against Special Olympics.
I know. I just presented it in a present/past sort of way to show her waffling on the subject.
I just hope Sarah listens to Kristol’s advice, but finds an adversary more on her level…like Elmo, Big Bird or Pam Anderson.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 amElmo would eat her alive!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:12 amHow can she say “I am from the Heartland” and “I can see Russia from my house”? That’s contradictory. She should say “I’m from the Appendageland”.
Everyone knows only people from the center are decent, not those near the coasts and certainly not Russia!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Nat Says:
Palin did good but Biden was better. She really didn’t go into specifics on anything and she avoided answering some questions.
The only way that Sarah Palin “did good” was that she actually spoke in complete sentences. But that was because they were memorized talking points.
Why in the hell did they let her bring in notes. Have you ever seen a real debate where people were able to bring in notes?
She wasn’t shy about reading it in front of us either. It was if her speech were written on rolled toilet paper. One long list. Terrible.
She insisted that the debate will go her way and didn’t care, l5zh well she used ‘Us” as an excuse. “We” (citizens) want to know. Oh yea? Pathetic. I could scratch her eyes out.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 amsectionop92 Says:
I know she is/was for the Special Olympics, but I didn’t know she WAS a competitor!
HAHAHAHA
Shut UP
HAHAHAHA
BTW-she is against Special Olympics.
I know. I just presented it in a present/past sort of way to show her waffling on the subject.
Doesn’t waffling mean doing the opposite?
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 amI’ve heard McCain and his surrogates say, ” McCain has won wars, he was there, and he knows how to win this one “.
Gov Palin states this in the VP debate, ” John McCain knows how to win wars, John has won wars and he has been there”.
Can anyone tell me what war or wars John McCain has won?
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 amRobt Says:
Gov Palin states this in the VP debate, ” John McCain knows how to win wars, John has won wars and he has been there”.
Can anyone tell me what war or wars John McCain has won?
You know, the one with General McClellan and Abe and USG and William T. The War of Northern Agression.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:31 amGame of Life Says:
sectionop92 Says:
I know. I just presented it in a present/past sort of way to show her waffling on the subject.
Doesn’t waffling mean doing the opposite?
Well, she said she was for it then proved to be against it. You’re making me sound Biden-esque here. :)
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 amregarding McCain’s war experience:
October 3rd, 2008 at 4:03 amFrederick the Great said his horse was with him through seven campaigns, but knew no more about military strategy when he finished than before he began.
If Obama is a Rock Star, then Palin’s a lounge act.
October 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 amIf McCain, when elected, would be the leader of his party, who EXACTLY would he be “MAVRICKING” [sic] against? His party should be “with him” like they have been with the psychopath boooosh, so his “MAVRICKING” ways would be what…MAVRICKING against US, the People? So, we would have a leader who is AGAINST US, the people.
McMAVRICK is a danger to AMERICA.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:35 amWe now know what Sarah Palin’s Achilles heel is. She had her “potatoe” moment when she didn’t know what an Achilles heel is. How did she ever get a college degree?
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:58 amYou know, I love arugula. There he goes again. Holtz-Eakin has just alienated the arugula vote.
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 amBiden may have won, but Tina Fey probably has the weekend off.
http://www.WilyTrax.com
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 amThanks for not disappointing me with your horseshit comments…always true to form…
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:03 amDid she have a can opener on her podium? Because that’s where her answers seemed to have come from.
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 amAwwww, shucks. Thet thar Palin-gal is cute as a speckled puppy in a painted wagon, and sweet as home baked apple pie, and just a downright good old American filly with traditional family values who knows her place. What’s them thar libruls got again’ this down-home slice of smiley lovin’ I’ll never understand, but y’all cain’t trust them libruls with anything anyhew. My little boy, Joe Sixpack, bless his little heart, why he’d be tickled pink to toss back a few cold ones with thet thar gun-totin’, moose guttin, beer drinkin’ hockey mom. Darn right. An’ she ain’t for no “early withdrawal”, no sirree bob. But why’d they cut out that bathin’ suit compertition? Cuz, boy haint she a pretty little filly. Easy on the eyes. An’ didja see her wink at me? She winked at ME!!! Jus’ thinkin’ bout it gets me all…. Mary Anne Lullabelle Lolita, get yer butt out to the woodshed….
Signed: average, down-home Palin supporter
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 amA little late in the game, but my two cents:
Palin attempted to turn the debate into a 90 minute long stump speech. She had no substantive answers, avoided questions, and generally bucked the format (I guess that would be the mavericky thing to do). In the beginning, her recitation of republican talking points seemed to demonstrate that she does have the ability to speak rather coherently and stay on message (after all, she IS a politician). As the debate wore on, her knee jerk repetition of talking points, catch phrases, and attempted sound bites, began to ring hollow, leaving an impression in my mind of some sort of programmed robot. On top of that, her grammar was atrocious, and her ‘folksy’ charm began to look too packaged to be genuine.
All she managed to do was 1) prove she isn’t a complete buffoon, and 2) stroke her base (pun intended). This debate will have virtually no impact in terms of a boost for the McCain camp.
Biden, as expected, demonstrated a mastery of the issues, and refused to let Palin frame the debate. On virtually every jab Palin threw at Biden or Obama, he was right there counter punching, refuting her claims with facts. When Palin tried to criticize Obama’s record in the Senate on key bills, Biden pointed out that McCain voted the same way on the same bills she was critiquing Obama for. He explained the core of important issues in laymen terms, which is key to a lot of undecided voters. He attacked McCain consistently, and in doing so, managed to relegate Palin to a mere commentator, not an opponent.
Biden won hands down to the people that matter. The republican base is pleased, but the republican base is not going to win this election for McCain.
I liken the race at this stage to a basketball game where the 1st half is close, at halftime the outcome is still undecided, and in the 2nd half the stronger team with more talent begins to pull away. Last night was the 10:00 mark of the 2nd half, and all Palin could do was score 1 point to Biden’s 5. McCain’s team can’t afford to trade baskets at this point, much less cede any.
My prediction:
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 amObama/Biden = 84
McCain/Palin = 62.
Where to start?
A team of mavericks?
I cringed for one reason during night’s debate, not because of anything Joe Biden was or was not doing, but because of how the average American would remember and react to the debate. Palin was low on facts (she could be fact-checked across the board, as TP has dutifully done) but style has seemed to make an immediate impression over substance. NBC’s post-debate commentary has Ferraro and Swift immediately praising Palin –probably by reason of her stiff confidence and well-recited talking points. Will the average American independent voter do the research and overlook the bad acting?
By any standard of a U.S. Vice Presidential debate, Biden won. Palin referenced her notes too frequently, and she “held her own” by giving only the illusion to millions of Americans that she didn’t belong in remedial grammar courses – not convincing of a readiness to serve as Vice President. A pretty low bar was set here because of ridiculously crappy previous interviews, and the pundits were initially very eager to call her a success.
The great news: Major polls did not come anywhere near favoring her performance. Her canned act will not likely survive the wave of scrutiny before next Tuesday’s second presidential debate. The fact that she suddenly comes off as competent on some issues will draw the consensus that she was heavily coached, while Biden’s knowledge was ingrained.
She also exhibited poor personal qualities — openly announcing her intent to stray from the moderator, insulting the pundits and the MSM. Very unprofessional.
Ifill’s moderation: Grade: D
Joe Biden: B+
Sarah Palin: D-
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 amcan’t believe i’m reading through these… no FAST yet tho…
#71
barfly Says:
“Runnin’ with John McCain?”
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
maybe her REAL name is “PalinG”… who knows what those northern rebels would come up with…
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 am