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Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
10:59: McCain made zero mentions of “middle class” tonight — the same number he offered in the first debate. (UPDATE: McCain mentioned “middle-income” Americans three times.)
10:42: On Fox, Nina Easton notes that we observed the “sinking ship of free-market Republicans” go to the “bottom of the sea,” with McCain’s proposal of a $300 billion “nationalization” of the U.S. mortgage market.
10:41: CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin: “When he referred to Barack Obama as ‘that one,’ I thought that was something people will remember.”
10:40: Kristol says Brokaw did a “disservice” to the McCain campaign by asking “conventional, inside the Beltway” questions. (UPDATE: Fred Barnes says it “was not a real town hall” meeting.)
10:37: Chris Matthews notes the most “bizarre moment of the night” was when McCain “took a shot” at moderator Tom Brokaw, saying “not you Tom” in response to who he would pick as Treasury Secretary.
10:35: CBS’ Katie Couric noted that McCain referred to Obama as “that one.” (UPDATE: NBC’s Brian Williams notes it too.)
10:29: It’s worth noting that if Iran attacked Israel, there would be no need to wait for a UN Security Council resolution even according to the UN Charter before responding. Article 51 of Chapter VII of the UN Charter enshrines the “inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations.”
10:25: McCain said Russia has to understand that “they are facing a strong and determined America.” Fortunately, from her well-positioned perch in Alaska, Sarah Palin has been keeping a close eye on Putin for any time he might “rear his head.”
10:23: McCain said that when he looks into Putin’s eyes, he sees the letters K-G-B. But in 2001, after President Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul, McCain gave him “an A” for how he did in his meeting with Putin.
10:21: McCain argued that the U.S. needs to execute the “same” surge strategy in Afghanistan as we’ve had in Iraq, but Gen. David D. McKiernan, the new top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, “stated emphatically that no Iraq-style ’surge’ of forces will end the conflict there.”
10:17: Earlier in tonight’s debate, McCain referred to Obama as “that one.”
10:14: McCain chastised Obama for saying that he would strike Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan without Pakistan’s permission if need be. Just recently, McCain defended Sarah Palin when she said essentially the same thing. (UPDATE: McCain “announced” on multiple occasions his desire to attack Iraq.)
10:13: McCain misquoted his “hero” Teddy Roosevelt tonight, quoting him as saying, “Walk — Talk softly and carry a big stick. The exact quote is: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.”
10:11: McCain suggested that he opposed Ronald Reagan’s deployment of US forces to Lebanon. In fact, he initially favored deploying the troops and only later argued for their withdrawal making arguments, one should note, that sound an awful lot like the arguments for redeploying from Iraq that he now deplores.
10:08: McCain doesn’t seem to understand that General David Petraeus currently heads up U.S. Central Command and is not at all the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
10:06: McCain just said that if we’d withdrawn from Iraq, Iranian influence would have increased and Al Qaeda would have set up a base. Both of these things happened because we invaded Iraq.
10:03: Discussing when to intervene militarily, McCain mentioned Kosovo. Back in 2000, McCain referred to the conduct of the Kosovo intervention as “the most obscene chapter in recent American history.”
10:02: McCain criticized Obama’s foreign policy background, saying the country can’t afford a president who will engage in “on-the-job training.” However, Laura Bush has said that Palin doesn’t have any foreign policy experience, but “she’s a very quick study.”
9:59: McCain said Americans should be able to go across state lines to purchase health insurance. But this approach would erode important consumer protections and allow companies to exclude from coverage pre-existing conditions, deny claims, and increase premiums.
9:57: While McCain said health care should be a “responsibility,” Obama said, “I think it should be a right, for every American.”
9:55: McCain is disparaging the idea of government involvement in the health care system, but he’s enjoyed government-provided health care all his life and appears to trust it fine to deal with his own health problems.
9:54: McCain said he would give every family a $5,000 tax credit to buy health insurance. But McCain’s credit would not cover the average price of a family health care plan. According to the latest Kaiser Foundation Benefits Survey, “premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance rose to $12,680 annually for family coverage” in 2008.
9:49: Obama just warned of the threat of the “climate crisis,” Al Gore’s preferred terminology for global warming. McCain referred to it as “climate change” earlier.
9:45: McCain said that Obama voted 94 times for tax increases or against tax cuts. Using the same methods that the McCain campaign used to calculate that number, McCain has voted for 477 tax increases.
9:44: McCain claims that the best way of “fixing” global warming is nuclear power, which he also praised as a job creator. McCain’s nuke here, nuke now plan is estimated at “$315 billion, with taxpayers bearing much of the financial risk” and would tie our energy future to a toxic, deadly fuel that is mined in nations like Kazakhstan, Russia, Niger, and Uzbekistan — and would only generate 10,000 jobs a year.
9:44: For the second time tonight, McCain just repeated the attack that Obama has “never taken on” members of his own party, whereas he has. However, McCain has voted with Bush 95 percent of the time and once said, “I don’t have to show I’m different from Bush.”
9:43: McCain’s plan for Medicare is to . . . appoint a commission. What happened to leadership? Doesn’t he have any substantive thoughts on this issue?
9:42: McCain said, “I’m not in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy.” A recent analysis from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that McCain’s plan “would primarily benefit those with very high incomes, almost all of whom would receive large tax cuts that would, on average, raise their after-tax incomes by more than twice the average for all households.”
9:41: Tonight, McCain is wearing a red striped tie that appears wavy and distorted on television. He apparently hasn’t learned his lesson. During the last debate, McCain wore a similarly dizzying red and white striped tie.
9:40: Brokaw editorialized that we can all agree in a “bipartisan way” that entitlement programs are “a big ticking time bomb.” In fact, in 2005 – as President Bush tried to “reform” Social Security with a privatization scheme – “barely one in four Americans believe[d] that a crisis exists.” (UPDATE: As Paul Krugman explains, “No matter how many times you try to kill the mythical Social Security crisis, it just keeps coming back.”)
9:39: McCain said that the last president to raise taxes amidst a downturn was Herbert Hoover. But of course Bill Clinton was elected amidst a weak economic situation, passed an Obama-esque tax increase on wealthy people, and ushered in an era of broadly shared prosperity.
9:37: Obama said that McCain’s tax cut proposals would give corporate CEOs a $700,000 tax cut. McCain’s tax proposals would also give his own family a $300,000 tax cut.
9:35: While discussing health care, McCain said, “I’m not going to tell that person without health insurance, I’m sorry you’ll have to wait.” Ironically, under McCain’s Guaranteed Access health plan, individuals with pre-exisiting conditions would have to wait months for coverage of their illness.
9:33: Obama just mentioned the need for “volunteer corps all across this country.” McCain has no national service plan.
9:32: In addition to reducing many vital services, John McCain’s proposed spending freeze – a cut in inflation-adjusted terms – would serve as an anti-stimulus to the economy at a time of recession.
9:31: McCain said that he wants to eliminate some government programs. In the 1990s, he said that he would support “doing away” with both the Department of Education and the Department of Energy.
9:30: Discussing earmarks, McCain said he wanted to eliminate not just bad programs, but also some “really good projects” as well. But if the programs are really good, why eliminate them?
9:29: By mocking the Chicago planetarium earmark, McCain has twice mocked federal spending on science education, despite saying he recognizes the need for more scientists and engineers in America. Upon becoming the Republican nominee, he has advocated offshore drilling and selected global warming denier Sarah Palin to be his running mate – despite saying he recognizes the threat of global warming. As Lawrence Krauss said, “McCain risks becoming the anti-science candidate.”
9:27: Speaking about entitlements, John McCain said “we are not going to be able to provide the same benefit for future retirees that we have today.” In other words, he wants to cut entitlements. And yet, it was just earlier today that Sarah Palin said: “John McCain and I will protect the entitlement programs that Americans depend on – and above all, Social Security.” (UPDATE: McCain’s top adviser admitted on Sunday that McCain would slash $1.3 trillion from Medicare and Medicaid over 10 years.)
9:26: McCain praised investments in solar and wind energy. A few minutes before, he challenged the audience to look at his record as well as his rhetoric. Despite his words in favor of renewable energy in recent months, McCain has a clear record of opposition to clean energy.
9:25: McCain highlighted his support for campaign finance reform as an example of his “clear record of bipartisanship.” However, he has called Justices Roberts and Alito “model justices,” even though both oppose campaign finance reform.
9:23: McCain said that he worked across the aisle with Joe Lieberman on climate change, but he refused to endorse Lieberman’s climate change bill when it came up for a vote in the Senate last year.
9:21: McCain claims he warned about the coming economic crisis. However, in 2007, he admitted he was “surprised” by the crisis. “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not,” he said.
9:20: McCain spoke of the need to end “cronyism” that corrupts Washington. Perhaps he had in mind things like when Freddie Mac decided to hire a close McCain associate specifically in order to influence McCain’s actions and then, after he succeeded, McCain tapped him to serve as his Senate Chief of Staff.
9:19: McCain said he wanted to “get rid of” the “special interests” in Washington to solve the economic crisis. Roughly 164 former lobbyists, however, run his campaign, raise money for him, and set his policy agenda.
9:16: When asked who he would potentially name as his Treasury Secretary, McCain did not mention his previous leading candidate — Phil Gramm, who called America a “nation of whiners” in a “mental recession.”
9:15: McCain is saying that two years ago, he stood up and warned against the excesses of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. NPR has fact-checked this claim as an exaggeration, saying that it was Sen. Chuck Hagel who actually took the lead to tighten regulation in 2005.
9:14: McCain repeated the conservative myth that problems at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are at the root of the financial crisis. In fact, Fannie and Freddie were late to the subprime party and had been losing market share to other firms who plunged ahead more recklessly. It’s true that better regulation would have been a good idea, but regulators — members of the Bush administration — declined to use the authority they already had.
9:13: McCain once again claimed to have suspended his campaign to deal with the crisis, but in fact his surrogates continued to appear on television attacking Obama.
9:12: McCain decries sending billions of dollars “to countries that don’t like us very much,” by which we assume he means, among others, Iran and Russia. But because of the rise in oil prices resulting from the Iraq war, Iran and Russia are raking in billions of dollars in oil revenues. It’s a simple equation: War John McCain supports waging indefinitely = regional destabilization = increased oil prices = higher revenues for regimes John McCain wants to contain.
9:11: McCain said he supported helping homeowners renegotiate the terms of their mortgages. However, he opposed a proposition to allow bankruptcy judges to rewrite mortgage payment terms on first homes.
9:09: McCain asserted that he doesn’t want to raise taxes on “anybody.” But last month, he admitted his health care plan may raise taxes.
9:08: McCain says we’ve got to “stop the spending spree” here in Washington to deal with the economic crisis. But reducing spending during a recession – especially at a time when the Fed is maintaining low interest rates — is a pro-cyclical measure likely to deepen a recession.
9:05: McCain smiled and made prolonged eye contact when he greeted Obama — already making more eye contact than the last debate.
9:03: Like the first presidential debate, McCain isn’t donning a flag pin on his lapel. Barack Obama is.
We’re about to get started with our live-blog of tonight’s presidential debate. Like our previous two live-blogging extravaganzas, the entire ThinkProgress family — TP, Wonk Room, and Yglesias — will join forces to provide you research, insight, and analysis.
Tonight’s debate is in a townhall format. We’ve been told repeatedly by the media that townhalls are McCain’s strength. In June, ThinkProgress noted the following comments from political pundits:
– MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell: “One of the points there is to take advantage of McCain’s presumed strength in the town hall format and in loose conversations.”
– MSNBC’s Monica Novotny: “So it seems that these town halls would work to his strength.”
– Fox News’s Juan Williams: “That’s his strength. That format, when you get John McCain doing town hall meetings, he’s at his best.”
Over the last 24 hours, political analysts have repeated the assertion:
CNN’s Ed Henry: “This format — the good news for McCain is this format suits him well. It sort of plays to his strengths.”
CNN’s Anderson Cooper: “John McCain has done very well in these townhalls that he has. And the critics say even Barack Obama has less experience doing that.”
MSNBC’s Savannah Guthrie: “McCain has always been very good in these townhall formats. This is one of his strengths.“
We look forward to the show.
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I just made myself a drink, I may make popcorn. Let the beatdown begin!
October 7th, 2008 at 8:53 pmTime to grab a barf-bucket and make sure that heavy objects are not conveniently close. TVs are too dang expensive to throw things at.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:54 pmAnd don’t furgit ’bout Hateful Palin and her BrownSkirts…
October 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pmSo the pundits have set the bar very high for McStain. And when you’re up on high, there’re only two options: stay up there, or fall far.
Hmmmm…. which to pick, which to pick…
PEACE
October 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pmMy friends, let the carnage begin!
Will McCain bring up Ayers? How will he work it into his answers?
October 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pmThe townhall setting works the best for McCain because ALL of his are in populated with GOP sycophants.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:00 pmI’m betting McCain also doesn’t answer the questions posed to him, in favor of canned talking points.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pmI hear Brokaw is allowed follup up questions.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pmMcIIIrd can’t have him drafted, you jerk! Can He?
He’s a maverick, hahahahah.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pmbullshit format
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pmDare McCain look at his opponent tonight?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pmLOL
mclame has already changed the subject in his first answer
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pmTax cuts and drilling.
McCain is offering nothing new.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pmHow is energy independence going to help people stay their homes?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pmMC “let’s not raise taxes..” um OB just said tax CUTS for middle class. Tool.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pmMc Cain knows how to get AMerica working again—like winning wars?
not you tom….
mclame won’t answer it
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmMy friends.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmMeg Whitman??? Ebay is laying off 10% of its staff, great choice moron
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmDidn’t Ebay just announce they are laying off 10% of their workforce?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmMccain’s depends are already full.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmFlippy says, :I know how” but he ain’t telling us his plan.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pmWhat the hell is the ancient one babbling about?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pmThat actually wasn’t bad answer by McCain. I’ll give him points on that one.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pmattack the trickle!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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I’m already drunk as hell from the “my friends” drinking game.
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I see myself needing to call 911 by 10:00
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pmGreat. mccain is is pushing sellling our crap on ebay as way out of this mess. I guess if you have expensive crap lying around your 8 mansions you could make some serious money…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pmbrokaw just told grampy to not get all rambly.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pmHis follows wasn’t too good though. He didn’t really answer that one on his Sec Treas. at ;east he didn’t mention Gramm.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pmFirst ridiculous attack. Hit him back Obama
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmGood God, he’s just lying through his teeth
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmSo the examples of the legislation to regulate FM and FM are?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmNot to OB…don’t say McCain is right! Jeez!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmOh boy,,,McCain tying OB to Fannie and Freddie? And he’s lying right now about regulating Fanning and Freddie…–oh and thanks for the insult about probably never having heard of them—putz!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pmMcCain isn’t very engaging…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pmMcCain wants to buy up all the bad mortgages … and cut taxes. Wow. He’s counting on people to not remember what he has said from one sentence to the next.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pmOh boy! Here he goes about suspending his campaign! He just slimed Obama about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae! He’s not answering the question. He’s doing his campaign slime dance.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pmGood clear concise explanation of the problem from Barak.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pmDid McCain just call Obama’s associates CRONIES??? DID OBAMA JUST LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT????
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pmAh. Nice approach to the crowd by OB…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pmreal smart – mclame looks down on a black man and says, “you probably never heard of freddie mac…”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pmObama goes to specifics, leaving McCain mumbling generalities.
Point to Obama.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pmobama is starting to attack, calling him on his lies
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pmWhat a contrast between Obama and McCain. He answered the guy’s question directly. Now he rebuts McCain. Beautiful!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pmGood comment on the finger-pointing. Get back to the people and their concerns
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pmLOOK AT MCLAME LOOK DOWN AND AWAY FROM OBAMA
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pmWhat is it with the looking away? What message is that supposed to send? I’m incapable of acting like an adult?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pmOh snap! OB on specifics. And a direct appeal to the crowd…nice!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pmGreat answer by Obama. He just turned it back on McCain and got back to the meat of the question.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pmOH OH – wingnuts are gonna nail him on “coordinate with other countries.” I can just hear alex jones now, “SEE – HE IS A GLOBALIST!!”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pmdamn – how dare obama not sign little johnny’s letter…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pmOB iss off to a great start. I think the Town Hall style works well for him. So much for the MSM’s Ideas about who this works better for.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pmJohn’s serving canned corn again.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pmI’m biased, but I perceive a**hole in McCain’s finger wagging at Obama.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pmI agree Jim Wolf359. Obama is really hitting the nail on the head.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pmMcCain: if we do things… .oh and I wrote a letter too… and Americans are the best import/exporters so….we can do it.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pmSay what?
CNN is in the tank for McCain–whether by desire to make more ad money or via intimidation. If you predict that this format will help McCain, you announce you will applaud his every word.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pmObama is doing a nice job of pointing to McCain’s record without sounding too negative.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pmI’m a reformer because I say I am a reformer. Facts be damned!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pmSpot on, Obama!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pmF#CK – mclame is gonna do the “pair of maverick” thing…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pmObama is ON FIRE!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pmQ: How can we trust either party with our money?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pmOB should have pointed out the GOP regime more there.
No flag pin on McCain’s lapel!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pmLike the vets association that gave you a D rating?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMcCain is lying through his teeth! “A cossistent reformer” What a crock!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMcCain is panting and breathing hard!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMake it up as you go along John. Mistrust? It is hard to trust people who can not tell the truth.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm“I know how to fix this economy.”
Classic McCain
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pmIf McCain has fought against all this spending, well then he’s no good at it is he?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMy friends. Take another shot.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pmNo no John BEARS! BEAR DNA!… NOT ‘overhead projectors’!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pmSo, again, what are these reforms you propose? Oh that is right. Drilling. That will take care of everyting.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pmHe’s rambling again!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pmOh my god!! McCain is just over the top! He just can’t help himself.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pmMy friends. Another shot.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmoh oh – mclame just TOUCHED THE THIRD RAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmmclame cannot even keep track of three things
what a mental midget and an ass
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmRefuses to answer a question!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmDon’t forget what your talking points are!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pmAnswer the question McCain
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmHe’s stumbling….whoooopssss
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmOkay… I’m going to calm down…. deep cleansing breaths..
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmHe is drifting and drifting — like a ship lost out at sea.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm“Across the aisle” mentioning LIEberman ………What a dope.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmMcCain just admitted he’s going to screw the public by confirming they will get less entitlements than before.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmI sense a set of recurring themes:
“My friends…”
“Washington DC is broken…”
“I have been a consistent reformer…”
“I have taken on the special interests…”
“I have a clear record of reaching across the aisle…”
“Energy independence, offshore drilling and nuclear power…”
Did I mention POW?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmMy friends. Do another shot.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmIs that a silk suit he’s wearing?
It’s very shiny.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmgee, mclame is cheating and not following the rules
is anyone surprised?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmMcCain just told future retirees YOUR SCREWED! Doesn’t offer any alternative.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmJM is all over the place and nowhere at the same time.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmOn the CNN graph, Obama is maxing it out on every question; McCain went the entire last question without moving the line up at all. Again with the priority question.
Let’s do it all at once, and buy the bad mortgages, and fight all the wars … and cut taxes. It’s magic!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pmI think mclame should start winking….
It worked for palin, right?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pmbarfly Says:
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Is that a silk suit he’s wearing?
It’s very shiny.
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It’s too tight on him
October 7th, 2008 at 9:26 pmObama comes out with the average price of gas to those he’s speaking to face-to-face with in a totally different state than the one he represents in the Senate ; McDepends can’t even remember to not shit himself……………
October 7th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAsk the American people to not vote for Grampie InSane.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmObama is on his specifics. And he’s doing a good job of selling his points. Convincing, through and concise. Well done.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmAnother Joe Says:
I think mclame should start winking….
It worked for palin, right?
Voters might think he’s having a stroke…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmJim @100 … you are correct sir.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmGot McCain with that one.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmI agree. Obama is really on his game tonight.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pmIt’s interesting that many of McCain’s examples are from the early 80’s. There quite a few voters who weren’t alive then!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pmWhy aren’t there any entries for Obama in the live blogging?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pmmclame is really reaching – throwing in the projector thing again.
Guess we should be grateful he hasn’t called him a terrorist yet or incited the crowd to chant for murder.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pmAnother Joe Says:
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I think mclame should start winking….
It worked for palin, right?
To the 25% of the population that are complete idiots, maybe. To the rest of us, it was just weird and a bit scary
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm“That’s what America’s been doing”.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pmWhat the hell is a rifle shot??
October 7th, 2008 at 9:30 pmMcCain’s offering nothing but a spending freeze.
Worthless.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:30 pmMcCain just mentioned the Air Tanker…which is being re-written, no money saved at all.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:30 pmspot on bob – she made an ass of herself to the majority of Americans.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:30 pmCut the Defense Budget first. It is so bloated. Apply those savings to the needed domestic programs and to getting this country energy independent.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:31 pmFunny how McDepends has never raised a peep about Halliburton’s no-bid contracts and the shoddy job they are doing …………..
October 7th, 2008 at 9:31 pmWTF – is mclame just wandering in circles while obama speaks?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:31 pmObama’s off on a nuclear fantasy.
Safely storing waste?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pmObama on oil companies leases : Use it or loose it
October 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pmI think conservation was a good selection. It is a good sacrifice that actually has individual benefit in cost savings. Very plausible and practical.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pmSacrifice question: ah, eh,
October 7th, 2008 at 9:32 pmNice connection by Obama.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:34 pmOB sharing the burden, nicely done. Hatchet versus scalpel, people who don’t need help like me and McCain. Good.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pm5th. ah, eh, I think that caught him off guard. A good bit of stammering there.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmSNAP
The “burden” is not being shared equally ; nicely put , BHO…..
October 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmMy friends. There it is again.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pmSenator Obamas secret Ooooh scary
October 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pmLIAR! Last person to “raise Taxes ” was Bush Sr!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pmMcCain is acting spastic
October 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pmWhat about us single folks? Oh that’s right. NO tax exemption for me.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:37 pmWhy doesn’t this old shitstain mention who was the last moron to cut taxes (for the wealthy) while our entire military was deployed halfway around the world ?
Gee , I wonder how this old fool proposes to pay off an $11 trillion dollar deficit ……………
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmMcCain is just talking like an idiot. He’s pulling out the Obama Tax Increase Strawman. He is not going to raise taxes on small buissness’. He just lied to the American People again!. His health care plan would knock people like me off health insurance.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmBrokaw should have let Obama retort.
Brokaw just misstated the social security problem, in a big way.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmLike I can get good health insurance with $5K. I am self-employed with a pre-existing condition. I could never get insurance under the McCain “plan”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmTax credit means if you spend it you get a break. But if you can’t afford it, you don’t spend it, therefore no tax credit! That’s how that works ( or rather doesn’t work).
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmLOL
He just called mclame a liar!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pmbrokow is a lying liar
October 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pmBrokaw said in a few years, SS would be in deficit – effectively bankrupt.
It’s a lie.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pmI have no plan but look at my shiny record!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:40 pmGood answer by Obama. He just turned McCain’s charge upside down. If McCain wants this dicussion to go like this he is going to lose badly.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmOH niceley done Obama.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmThis is answering the question?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmMy friend times 2!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmI know 5th thanks. This guy just makes me crazy.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmMcCain’s attempting to present himself as a populist.
It’s silly, and sad.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmoh oh – the “pair of maverick” lie is comin’ up…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pmWe have looked at the records and you lose, McCain!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pmObama clear concise answers.
McCain, babbling like a brook
Another my friends, I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND you trollish ogre
October 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pmFixing Soc Sec is easy and has been done before? NO!
But medicaid is complicate? Oh and now the debunked 94 times!
McCain, we know your record, stop pretending it’s any different from what we already know.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pmMCCAIN: I have no plan so lets look at my shiny record!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pmis mclame gonna talk down to this African American too?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pmMcCain is getting weird and cranky.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pmHis Vision?!! He is out of his mind!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm“94 tax increases” – Brokaw is already on record as saying it’s a lie.
But he says nothing!
Brokaw just whored for McCain – twice.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pmThat answer about ss & medicare was no answer at all.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pmjoe lieberman is really unpopular – even in CT, yet mcinsane wants to constantly hold that rotting corp up and tell us “it smells GOOD!”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmMcCain is getting grumpy :(
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmYeah John nuclear waste is really clean..
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmWind is more efficient dollar for dollar compared to Nuclear.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmLieberman, Lieberman, Lieberman. Hasn’t anyone bothered to tell Flippy that EVERYBODY hates Lieberman?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmWhy does he think mentioning that odious d-bag Lieberman is a good thing?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pmHoly crap. Did he just say that about the nuclear sub?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pmIt also created tons of waste that never goes away.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pmTP, dig up last week’s Meet the Press transcripts.
Brokaw knows “94″ a lie.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pmYeah, fixing Social Security is easy. But does he say how he will do it? Of course he doesn’t. McCain is so full of crap I had to turn off the tv.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:45 pmGood point by Obama. Energy Independence=National Security.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pmIs there only 1 environmental issue? Maybe we can talk about dead zones in the ocean? Over fishing? (90% of our fisheries are predicted to COLLAPSE by 2049!) Deforestation? Maybe Rocket fuel in our water!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pmMCCAIN: I have no plan but look at my shiny record!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pmNice one on McCain’s energy record—that’s a scratched 78 that McCain has there.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pmBrokaw, if they both are operating on their own rules, then STFU, just keep them even in time.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:47 pmMy friends, once again.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:47 pmMcCain thats a real cute misleading attack
October 7th, 2008 at 9:47 pmThat one?!?!?!?
That what?????
October 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pmI grow weary of hearing “My Friends”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pmbrokow is also trying to make it look like it is obama that is not following the rules – he is a political hack
October 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pmThat one? How condescending?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:48 pmTHAT ONE??? HE POINTED AT OBAMA AND SAID “THAT ONE!”..What an unbelievably disrespectful pig.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmJust as Ifill was too loose a moderator, Brokaw’s a nazi…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmAnother ‘my friends’ – I’m glad I’m not drinking.
How ya doing, Dr Matt, you must be pretty loaded by now!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmha ha – brokow and mclaim just scammed the public that it is obama that is not following the rules.
Nice take team, @ssholes
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmAnother, my friends.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmI’m glad I’m not playing that drinking game!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmDear Tom: If the candidate has a minute to speak and talks for 61.5 seconds, the world is not going to end. Chill. Thanks.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmIf your drinking on “my friends” you must be toast by now.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pmMcDepends ……………So AGAINST the “goodies” in any Senate bill , he voted FOR the bail-out bill that included another $140 billion in pork ……..Real nice
October 7th, 2008 at 9:50 pmTHAT ONE??? HE POINTED AT OBAMA AND SAID “THAT ONE!”..What an unbelievably disrespectful pig.
You think so? Just wait ’til he starts rilin’ the crowd up changing “TERRORIST TERRORIST TERRORIST” and “KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM!”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:50 pmMcCain is wandering around like hes lost in a supermarket or something
October 7th, 2008 at 9:50 pmThat shiny suit of John’s is distracting. And no flag pin. How will Fox spin that?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pmI just drink and smoke the whole way through–I like to call it leadership, my friends.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pmOK, could McStain’s tone and delivery get any creepier? When he lowers his voice like that, and I close my eyes, I think that Chris Hansen from Dateline’s To Catch A Predator is about to walk in the room.
**shudder**
October 7th, 2008 at 9:51 pmExcellent one hand giveth… reference!
He is very good in talking about healthcare in a way that people can relate to.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pmVery comprehensive answer on Health Care by OB “One hand giveth, one hand taketh” SNAP!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pmThat shiny suit makes him look like an elderly pimp…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pmI did the “my friends” drinking game last debate. Pretty good. Glad I’m not doing it tonight, I’d be laying face down in a puddle of my own yechhch.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:53 pmLet’s put MCLAME’S HEALTH RECORDS ONLINE!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:53 pmMcCain is an idiot……..Can I send you my monthly premium bill. I’ll take your federal insurance — deal?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:53 pm“medical errors as they call them.”
What do you call them, did they have a different name during the paleozoic era
October 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pmacross state lines? who really can travel for healthcare
Is anyone really gonna accept “vote with your feet” as the answer to health care.
he’s insane
October 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pmI wonder how many Arizonans are going to Mexico for healthcare and drugs. Do you have any idea, Johnny?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pmhe’s rambling…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pmLets put health care on lin and do lots of things for efficiencies, but the diff is “mandates”, Obama will fine you!
That’s a lie.
Say if Arizona offers a better health plan than Tennesee, what’s the point of Tennesees? plan? Huh?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pm$5000.00 wouldn’t begin to cover my Insurance. and yes John, I’ve done the Math.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmGold Plated Plan? What is he talking about?
That joke crashed like one of the planes he couldn’t fly.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmHealth care is a human right you hack McCain.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmSmack down coming up on the mandate.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmDamn smart – HEALTHCARE IS A RIGHT!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmhealth care – responsibility and then he lies about affordability and access
October 7th, 2008 at 9:55 pmYeah Obama. What is the point of having a wealthy country if that wealth doesn’t get used to take care of the country? More bombs perhaps?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pmObama needs to try not to be so explain so much. He needs to be more concise.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pmcivil behavior Says:
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Obama needs to try not to be so explain so much. He needs to be more concise.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Like McDepends has been ?
Johnny boy is talking bullshit gibberish that makes no sense whatsoever …………
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pmbarfly Says:
That shiny suit makes him look like an elderly pimp…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I think it’s more like he’s ready to be buried.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pmSorry, He needs to not explain so much………
October 7th, 2008 at 9:56 pmI think he’s doing okay CB.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pmI live in AZ and a lot of people do go to mexico for drugs
October 7th, 2008 at 9:57 pmand dental.
Neither one of them is answering the questions. Too much elaboration makes people squirm.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmGood Point on McCains vote!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmWhat the heck is wrong with Brokaw? He’s allowing McCain to keep going, but then scolds Obama or cuts him off. . . Brokaw used to be a good journalist. But he ain’t no Walter Cronkite.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmCalling McCain on his voting AGAINST child health care coverage was the best shot yet!!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmcivil…I disagree, if the public mood is ( as I believe) that we want to hear about issues, not point scoring, The points will take care of themselves through the better informed arguments. Obama seems usually to be able to do both and is proving he understands the issues, whereas McCain just pretends.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmgalmud Says:
McCain is wandering around like hes lost in a supermarket or something
Brings back memories.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmPeople just aren’t that smart or that interested in long explanations.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmlol – hear the size of the fine?
what a poor excuse for a human being
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmThe second questioner of the night, a young African-American man, was named Oliver Clark. Toward the end of his response to Oliver’s question, however, McCain forgot his name and called him “Alan.”
To be fair, McCain was referring to the first questioner, whose name was Alan. He pointed back over to Alan, and he was discussing what Alan had asked about. My Friends!
Obama maxes out the CNN voter meter on most every question; McCain struggles to move the lines at all.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmLack of attention too CB.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmChoose a memeber of the audience, and watch their reactions to both candidates.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pm“Did we hear the size of the fine hehe”
Nice one John..
October 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmMcCain doesn’t know what Peace is.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmHe is explaining a lot, but he is very clear in his explanations. I think it is a benefit to some degree. There is a lot of s*** going on in the country and I think people will want to hear someone who understands what is happening. Just my $0.02.
History of the world? Peacemakers? Not recently
October 7th, 2008 at 9:59 pmMcCain and Brokaw are simply too buddy buddy for Brokaw to claim journalistic impartiality. What a mockery – can’t decide who disgusts me more – McCain or Brokaw.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pmHe’s not any better than last time.
Obama won once again.
WAR WAR WAR
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pmUh-oh, Obama just trashed Joe Biden’s banking mecca of Delaware for their loose laws. That’s been my only beef with Biden, but I didn’t expect Obama to bring it up.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm“on the job training” BS
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pmSupporting our efforts in Bosnia/Kosovo?
McCain didn’t.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm“I know how to win wars” any second now
October 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm“my judgement” blah blah blah blah
Ask his first wife…
October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pmDid the old man just bust Joe Biden’s hair plugs when he’s at his mother-in-law’s funeral?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pmAs Obama said in Denver. We do better when we lead by the power of our example, not the example of our power.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pmCan McCondscending be anymore condscending, but a puke.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pmI love when McCain says “I know how to win wars.” Which one dipsh$t, Vietnam????
October 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pm“we’re a nation of good” – so what does that mean? That the other nations are nations of bad?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pmHE JUST QUOTED HANNITY!!!
I digress.
“America is the greatest force for good in history”
The South American continent just fell over in disbelief.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pmGood. Iraq is part of the broken US economy.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm5th…….I’m not saying alot of people don’t get it and want to hear it but I am convinced that the majority of people want to see these candidates go by the rules of the debate. It’s sort of why laws are made. To abide by them. Trust me I’m an Obama voter but I also am listening carefully without some meter to tell me how people are responding.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pmThe way he tossed the mic in his opposite hand, is so silly.
he thinks he’s on point. What a idiot. He thinks its a gun. The dummy.
I hope he drops it once.
Please don’t wink mcchimpy.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:03 pmThe way to win wars is apparently to spend half a decade in the enemy’s prison camp – it worked for Hogan’s Heroes!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:03 pmTerriffic answer by Obama on Iraq! Well done.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pmJIm WOlf…..amen
October 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pmI really really want to believe the American public is smart enough to understand the differences here but then again I’ve been living in West Palm Beach FL for the past five years. Remember 2000? I’m a bit worried.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmHonor?? Did he say Honor?? OMG………
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmAnswer the question McCain
stop with the old tired surge nonsense
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmDoes anyone like My Friends? What does the CNN “mood ring” do when he says that? To me it is a clear signal that BS is on its Way!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmLook at mclame blink blink blink….
Is his head gonna explode?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pm“That requires a cool hand” LOL like Iraq you fool!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmBrokaw’s becoming grumpier. Did he not get a nap today? Gawd, I miss Tim Russert.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:06 pmcivil… well the rules are v restrictive, but so far, the transgressions of the rules don’t seem to be doing anything except presumably knocking off a few questions at the end I guess. As long as they get equal time and cover as much ground as the topics permit.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmWe get sound bytes from the press, It’s good to me to hear both speak at length and demonstrate their grasp of the issues, not their grasp of their own attacks and counter-attacks.
I we had done what Obama said “before” we went into Iraq
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmwe would not have gone in the first place.
When you hear “MY FRIEND” over and over, it’s time to hold onto your wallet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmOh my gawd, would McCancer quit saying “my friends”…how many phucking times has he said it…it is getting stupid.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pm“That requires a cool hand…” He did NOT just say that. Either my television is malfunctioning or I’m hallucinating.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pm“I know those situations”
“I spent a lot of time with prostitutes and finking on REAL POWS.”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmIf you’re hero is Ronnie Retard , you have absolutely zero business being in the White House , jackass…………..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:07 pmMy cousin in Ohio says the same thing CB. A lot of potential problems there. Also Pennsylvania as well. If it happens again, I fear the worst.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmA cool hand at the tiller?
Bomb, bomb McCain?
Please.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmHas anyone yet defined what the frick “victory” is
His hero Reagan apparently hated him, read the new Rolling Stone article, long but worth it.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pm“I know these situations” I know everything because I’m John McCain
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmSenator McCain should be getting struck by lightning any time now. Spin, spin and more spin. He’s talking in generalities and nothing specific.
McCain has no honor!
How the hell to you win an occupation.
Get a clue McCain!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmMcCain can’t seem to remember anything he has done since 1983.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmMcCain does the creepy soft pleading voice again– a bit like Palin?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pmWhy won’t anyone call out McCain on the surge? What did it cost America. 1000 lives and tens of billions of dollars for what? To get back to square one? What a smashing success. Call him out on this surge bs!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pmVictory and honor? Dulce et decorum est pro patria more! How many lies will you tell as you send the young off to die? How many tales of your bravery will you recite as you sit by the fire, enclosed in your leather chair and sipping your brandy? How many more must die to bring about a bigger economic surplus in Iraq?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:09 pm5th…….agreed and agree. I too want more knowledge but I fear for how little most care or know and want brevity at the risk of truth.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pmGreytdog Says:
Gawd, I miss Tim Russert.
I just threw up in my mouth a little…
October 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pmIMHO Pakistan is one hell of a kettle of fish that I don’t expect anyone to make any kind of sense out of right now.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pmMcCain is gonna go all out condescending and call Obama naive and dangerous now.. “Senator Obama doesnt understand”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pmSlam Dunk for Obama on that one.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:10 pmDid Roosevelt tell McCain that personally?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pmWalk softly and carry a big stick…my hero!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pm“Turns public opinion against us” Like Iraq and the entire Arab world with the Iraq occupation/invasion?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pmThats called pre-emptive notice McCain. And i agree with it.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pmPakistan needs $100billion bailout right now, apparently.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pmand a few more F-16s on our dime.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:12 pm“Use force but talk softly” like Iraq and Iran..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pmI thought your hero was Reagan, did you already forget that?
And bring out Petraus like he is Eisenhower, MacArthur, Grant, Lee, Jackson rolled up all into one is getting ridiculous.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pmOhh, bomb bomb Iran……Gotcha!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pmBrokaw: “I’m just the hired help”!
Ya got that right Tom.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pmGo Barack, Kick Sum!!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pmThrow those lies back in his face Barack.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pmOkay! Obama forced the issue. Good on him. You can’t let bald faced lies go unanswered like that.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pmExcellent response! He just nailed McCain and that was well worth the break in protocol to clear this up.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pmIt was true he did sing bomb bomb bomb Iran…..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pmIt was just a joke huh?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pmIf you believed McCain and faux news, Petreaus makes Alexander the Great look like a five year playing Risk for the first time.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pmOBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMA!
Right freekin on!
Bomb, bomb, bomb…
October 7th, 2008 at 10:15 pmSo McCain has no problem attacking Iraq, a sovereign country but not Pakistan. What’s up with that?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm“I know how to get him. I know how to it.”
Another bad joke McCain?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pmIF you know how to get him, you should consider sharing that info. with Bush, McCain.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm“I know how to get him“?
Then why hasn’t he bothered to tell anyone how to do it?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pmWTF…McCain called his military career responsible
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pmAfghanistan, good.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pmHow are you going to get Bin Ladin McCain? responsible military service? I suggest everyone read Rolling Stone’s piece on McCain. Scary Shit.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm“I’ll get Osama Bin Laden…,I know how to get him, but I won’t telegraph my punches?” In other words, you’re talking BS, gramps. Go shout at a cloud.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pmMcCain’s lies are mounting.
Factcheck.org is going to be burning the midnight electrons, tonight.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pmJohn knows how to win? Whats he waiting for?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pmBecause hes a maverick. And a maverick works in mysterious ways
October 7th, 2008 at 10:17 pmGalmud, I think he plans to sneak up on OBL and brand him.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pmHow in the hell does mcchimpy know what will happen if our troops leave Iraq? He rattles on like an idiot.
raygun mcchimpy’s hero. Oh great another member of the good old rotten boy’s network.
mcchimpy doesn’t get it. Sen. Obama is right; trickle down doesn’t work and repugs don’t work.
Just to let the troll know that raygun was a failure on all fronts, the rich won. Plus raygun was a big time drug dealer.
Oh shyte mcchimpy just played a lie card again. he said, announcing-attack-is-a-bad-thing bs.
Doesn’t he read?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pmMcCain still won’t admit that he was wrong about Iraq “easy, sweets and flowers”…I’m just sayin’
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pmIraq is still hell for civilians, but McCain is so out of touch he doesnt realize that
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pmBrokaw sucks, but nothing wants me to see Russert out there, he sucked too. They all suck, some just suck less/more than others.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pm“The same strategy, but very different conditions.” Say, what?
It is absolutely and abundantly clear that the US ground forces component commander actually IN Afghanistan—you know, one of those individuals that the present ‘commander guy’ believes that we should listen to—does not believe that a ’surge’ in Afghanistan is the appropriate approach or represents a sort of path to success. Whatever the hell success is…
McCain, nearly last in his class at the US Naval Academy, would fail the US Army’s Officer Basic Course modules which deal with strategy and tactics. What a pathetic excuse for a military officer he is, and remains.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pmAs a lifelong pacifist I have a real problem with this huge militaristic posture of empire for empire’s sake that we seem to be taking. Thus it’s past time to get our energy act together. Sorry to say but the romanticizing of this military stud stuff is just so 20th century. Sorry but I am simply over it.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pmHmm. . . maybe McCain has a similar strategy to Reagan’s with the hostages’ release after Carter had left Washington DC airspace. . . all hail the conquering hero. Did you know he’d been a POW?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pm“Not another cold war with Russia”
But hey! lets kick them out of the G8! Lets exclude them from my new League of Democracies club!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pmDoes this not turn russian public opinion against us?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pmMcCain keeps saying he’s made the hard decisions. How? He’s a Senator not the President.
Those who know about the surge know that it wasn’t the only thing that helped reduce some of the violence.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pmMcCain is a bad joke. He long ago believed his press (which was so much bull pucky). I can’t stand listening to him my friends. Do we want another 4 years (or more) of not wanting to watch or listen to our president or vice (and she does seem to be a vice in some very warped circles)?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pmHe has scarah to take care of Russia.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pmMcCains gonna suit up, take off, crank up Dangerzone, and bomb, bomb, bomb, Osama into oblivion.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pmHey McCain, Georgia attacked first. And you may not start a cold war but your VP will.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pmOf course we can’t follow McCain. He doesn’t have a flag pin on.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmPlease bring up the fact Obama, its IMPOSSIBLE to exclude Russia from the G8. Europe will not allow it and its reckless
October 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmGrr.
When is Obama going to stop letting McCain get away with the talking point that the “Surge” has worked? It hasn’t worked. What’s worked has been the Sadrist truce, the ethnic cleansing of the country, and the bribing of Sunni tribes.
How is a “Surge” going to work in Afghanistan – are all the Pashtuns going to be exported to Pakistan?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pm@311
October 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pmCB I’m with you on that one… all problems are not solved with troops and weapons.
What leverage is McCain talking about? We’re morally, economically, militarily, and globally bankrupt!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pmgalmud Says:
Iraq is still hell for civilians, but McCain is so out of touch he doesnt realize that
October 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
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Five rugs for five bucks = problem solved!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pmCost us dearly…over and over and over
October 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pmNot a very good answer by Obama. He needs more work on the issue of Russia and her intersts. He has to get up to speed there. Quickly.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pmLOL
someone says MAYBE
October 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pmcivil… I agree the military posturing is a throwback attitude and depends a lot on 25 year-old conventional thinking.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pmmcchimpy is still annoying, stiff, snippy, condescending…
Obama\Biden
October 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pmPresidential
civil behavior Says:
As a lifelong pacifist I have a real problem with this huge militaristic posture of empire for empire’s sake that we seem to be taking. Thus it’s past time to get our energy act together. Sorry to say but the romanticizing of this military stud stuff is just so 20th century. Sorry but I am simply over it.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
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Agreed.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pmOh for chrisssake, EVIL Empire? Puhleeze!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pmGawd, did Brokaw think up that question about Russia or did Joe Six Pack? Sheesh. What’s next? “Do you believe Barney still loves you?”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pmHold on folks I hear Borat has the last audience question!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pmI really think there is a large portion of our country that are almost glad (not really, but you know what I mean.) to see the Russia issue comeback. It’s a familiar foe that we can get all jingoistic about. Much easier to comprehend than the middle east.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmThis entire debate format blows, just want to throw that out there
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmIsrael is not our problem.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmCB- totally agree. More troops to Afghanistan isn’t going to do a thing besides sink us deeper into a region that empires seem to get bogged down in. 7 years and counting…
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmMcCain’s answer on Russia was probably his best of the night, because it wasn’t full of crap, lies, and misdirection. Maybe he should change strategy…? Oh wait, he can’t, he’s not strong on anything else so misdirection’s all he’s got.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmDo we even have a defense treaty with Israel? Correct me if I’;m wrong but I don’t think so. That’s another–oh wait another lie, “without pre-conditions”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pmI think it’s time for those of us who believe the military needs to be dismantled to join hands and begin a movement to do so.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:27 pm“wipe israel off the map” – lie
October 7th, 2008 at 10:27 pmTHE LEAGUE OF DEMOCRACIES!!!
That’s so cute. Iran’s a democracy – do they get an invite?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:27 pmDon’t the righties hate things like the United Nations and League of Nations? I’ve never understood this League of Democracies crap.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pmIsrael certainly isnt
October 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pmcivil behavior Says:
Israel is not our problem.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
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No. They’re just the ones who do our dirty work.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pmLeague of Democracies, is that like the Justice League?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League
October 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pmI love Israel!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:28 pmI love Israel more!
I love Israel the most!
I love Israel the mostest!
I love Israel times infinity!
Oh yeah? Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran!!
I think some of the questions have had names on them. Some of the “from the internet” questions without names may just be FAQs…
October 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pmOkay OB just said “it’s important we don’t provide the UN with veto-power against our interests.”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pmThey don;t have that power, it;s an old canard used by Bush, so I assume Obama said that for the navy CHief’s benefit.
Please kick lieberman out, mcchimpy is using him as an example of being bipartisan. Get real fool.
THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU
October 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pmWhat don’t you know and how will you learn it?
mclame better not say “I’ll find it online”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pmTom: “Okay, for our next question, I’m going to open a fortune cookie…”
You’re killing me Tom!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pmBrokaw chose the questions that would be asked, didn’t he?
There are many that seem calculated to put Obama’s positions in sharp detail, while allowing McCain’s to be somewhat fuzzier.
I think Brokaw was attempting to influence the viewing audience by his selection of questions.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pmThe cranky old one keeps pumping hands up and down as if that will impart some meaning to his rambling prattle.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pmWeak! He should’ve made a meal out of that and shown some humility
October 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pmWell that last Q. is a tough one ( kinda pointless really).
October 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pmlook at mclame walk – it looks like he has a pants-load full of sh#t
October 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm“Americans are hurting and I understand” and my economic advisor calls you all a bunch of whiners
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmyou know – I bet he does, did anyone else see him shake the poo out of his pants leg?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmbarfly…There are many that seem calculated to put Obama’s positions in sharp detail, while allowing McCain’s to be somewhat fuzzier.
and how would that be a problem? :)
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmBrokaw’s breathy emphysemic voice is beginning to get to me.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmHe hasn’t interupted McCain more than once.
“Steady hand” dont make me laugh
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmI know what it’s like to need help – that’s why I ditched my first wife when she got sick and married a stoned rich girl.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pmUgh. Also weak. Apparently these candidates have never interviewed for a real job in the past 20 years. Please show me that you can think.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pm“steady hand on the tiller” hahahahahaha….hahahahaha…..ya right, McConfused.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:34 pmDid Donald Rumsfeld coach on that last question about the known unknowns that we know but don’t know yet?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pmPlease tell me where this “holocaust” meme is coming from? Why does mcchimpy repeat this lie. his argument doesn’t fit when Israel is using nazi tactics to oppress the original owner.
Somebody tell me what the hell it means.
Oh shyte, POW time.
Yuck he patted a voters ears.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pmAnd David Brooks says “SOS from both but the edge to Obama: style fluid, easy to imagine him President”.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pmBrooks calls it for Obama.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:36 pmIn McCains world. There is no known unknowns he dont know about. McCain knows everything even the unknown knowns and the known unknowns that we dont yet know about he knows
October 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pmObviously Obama won, he didn’t sound demented and insane, so it wasn’t hard. The pundits will call it a tie. Anyway you look at it, it didn’t help the oldster and Caribou Stacey
BTW, did McCain just refuse to shake Obama’s hand (on CNN)
October 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pmAs Kucinich said so explicitly in one of his house speeches…… Wake Up America Wake Up . Wake up America, Wkae up America…..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:37 pmGame of lIfe:
October 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI totally agree. Why is it that we are now almost 70 years removed from the holocaust, and we talk about it like the next one could happen tomorrow? It just makes no sense to me.
Brooks has been looking at the writing on the wall for the past couple of months now. ( Unctuous. opportunistic little jerk).
October 7th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI would really like to know what people’s response to McCain’s tone and attitude was. I think he came across very petty, condescending, and spoiled. He sees his opportunity for power is nearly gone.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pmOn CBS, “uncommitted” voters are saying they’re more inclined to vote for Obama, after Mccain’s dismissive “that one” comment.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pmMcCain’ speech tonight appeared to be an impression of Peter Lorre in an old 1940’s movie. He was incoherent at times, he was off topic, and his jokes were lame.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pmMcCain seemed tense while Obama was collected and prepared.
CNN.com stayed with their live feed for about 5 minutes after the sign off. Barack and Michelle were still talking to people, working the audience. McCain and his wife boogied out after about a minute.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pmAnd now on MSNBC, “It’s Pat” ( with Rachel)
October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pmI agree, Jim.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pmThe Obamas are gracious – McCain looks like he doesn’t want to be bothered.
Obama was the winner tonight.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:43 pmPoor mcchimpy was raised by his mom because daddy doing navy stuff. (This was in response to Sen. Obama’s humble beginnings without his father)
mcchimpy must have loved the lonely days without dear daddy. Because what does he do he turns around and did the same to his family and joined the navy. Oh so sad.
Did the Tom say in the beginning “No closing statements?”
October 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pmReally. They responded to the “that one” comment? That is interesting. People really respond to how you treat others. It is something that as social animals we have difficulty ignoring.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pmI’m watching MSNBC and they’re showing the Obamas working the crowd. No McCain anywhere.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pmI think its a clean win for Obama again. Very steady, good answers, and he did a good job I thought of speaking more directly to the questions.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pmPat Buchannan says Obama looked presidential ( Buchanan’s a nut half the time of course).
October 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pmI think Obama performed better than his first debate. Clear victory tonight.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pmmcchimpy was a whinny little bytche. lying about Sen. Obama won’t get him votes.
pat is full of it.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pmABC seems to be in the Obama won camp.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmI missed the “that one” comment. In what context did McCain say that?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmObama is still in the hall with Michelle …..cspan is covering it…..they are talking, signing autographs, taking pictures, going one on one.
5th……yes, unctous is right. love it! Brooks is getting liek Scarborough. He wants to keep his job.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pmOn C-span they’re still on the floor and the Obamas are still chatting it up with the audience (almost ten minutes past the end of the debate). McCain’s disappeared. My suspicion is that McCain is also a mutant superhero and dashed off right after the debate so that he can patrol the streets of Nashville.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pmU.S. intelligence warns Iraq war could explode again
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081007/wl_mcclatchy/3066066
betrayus’s bribing of terrorists and insurgent to give the illusion of peace is only going so far.. i just hope his bribery induced lull starts unravelling before obama takes office, or its all going to get blamed on him..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pmhmmm…link is there in my post but not showing up.. click on it..
October 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pmCBS is using Dan Bartlett for political insight?
Truly astounding.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:47 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081007/wl_mcclatchy/3066066
October 7th, 2008 at 10:48 pmMcCain was talking about a bill (I believe it was a pork laden bill; someone correct me if I am wrong.) and said something to the effect of “and guess who voted for it? That one.” – while pointing at Obama. Very childish and condescending.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:48 pmObama won tonight.
He stayed cool, while McCain came out with “Not you, Tom,” “I’ll answer the question!” (while failing to answer), and calling Obama “that one.”
Wow.
McCain can’t keep the sleepy grumpy crazies from taking over after less than an hour — how is he going to handle 10-14 hour days?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:49 pmOn top of the 700b and the 149b? You have got to be kidding.
The money thing won’t work by giving it to the crooks. Indict the crooks and have the crooks pay restitution. They don’t deserve the stolen money.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:49 pmcivil…thank you ;) I’ve watched and listened to Brooks for about 15 years and he smirks and simpers and he just always reminds me of when I swam in the Hudson–I got out feeling all icky even though I looked clean.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pmMCCAIN: Damn celebrity.. standing there like a celebrity.. talking to people answering voters questions taking pictures being accessible
October 7th, 2008 at 10:51 pm5th…..great metaphor!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:52 pmIt seems that my earlier point, about the questions posed, seems to have worked to Obama’s favor. The voter-focus group on CBS says they are more inclined to favor Obama’s positions, because he gave specifics.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pmMcCain pointing at Obama and saying “that one” was hard to watch.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:53 pmJeez, 5th, you swam in the Hudson? Are you insane?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pmMSNBC mcchimpy shouldn’t talk about jello. HAHAHAHAHA
October 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pmGalmud:
October 7th, 2008 at 10:56 pmThe that one comment is up on Huffpo.
Jane E Schneider: “Jeez, 5th, you swam in the Hudson? Are you insane?
LOL! that was back in ‘86 when I lived right by the water back then, great view of Statue of Liberty from my bedroom and kitchen. It seemed like a good idea at the time. No harm done that I know of…I hope.
October 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pmOh Ok. Very classy, McCain. What a marvelous show of respect for your opponent
October 7th, 2008 at 10:58 pmHas John Kerry dropped by yet? I have prepped a few nice apps for us to share over such insightly dialogue
October 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pmLOL. Civil… a metaphor, but a real one!
October 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pmMy reaction to the debate :
Wonder how many people playing the drinking game with the phrase “My Friends” being the key word(s) , have contracted alcohol poisoning …………………
October 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pmMcMetal..now that is hilarious.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pmbarfly…on MSNBC the metered independents in PA scored Obama very well. But boy there was one guy they the asked a question of and he was as clueless as Palin. Yeesh!
October 7th, 2008 at 11:00 pmThe CBS after-debate a<n<a<l<a<s<i<s seems to be that the horserace continues, with no clear leader.
Just like they like it.
Now they can parse the debate endlessly, looking for kernels of Ultimate Truth.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pmMcCan’t needed to smite Obama, but failed. IMHO
October 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pmTom Brokaw tried hard not not appear biased but he shamed himself. Too bad I really used to think he was a pretty impartial journalist but his slip was showing tonight
October 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pmI just saw a clip just after the end of the debate McCain patted Obama on the back and Obama turned around reached out his hand to shake McCains hand and McCain kinda refused to shake it ending up looking really awkward
October 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pm5th, if it was back in ‘86, I guess all of the toxins are out of your system by now. You seem okay, anyway! :D
October 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pmKeith is already kicking McCain’s butt. Yay.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pm>>lurker Says:
McCan’t needed to smite Obama, but failed. IMHO
> Lurker, agreed. McCain had to hit a home run to really change anything… and he didn’t even get it to the warning track. Heck, he barely cleared the infield.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pmJane E. Schneider: 5th, if it was back in ‘86, I guess all of the toxins are out of your system by now. You seem okay, anyway! :D
Sorry, what? I was just looking at the colors man….and the spiders…the spiders! :)
October 7th, 2008 at 11:04 pmOops.
The damned filter torqued me so much, I dropped “y.”
October 7th, 2008 at 11:04 pmAt the end of the debate, when the candidates and their wives were greeting the crowd, McCain came up behind Obama on the right side, and tapped Obama’s left shoulder. Obama turned around and reached a hand out to McCain and McCain soft of blew him off and pushed Obama’s hand toward Cindy. He didn’t shake his hand.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pmCNN Poll
Who won?
BO – 54
October 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pmJM – 30
Woodshed beating.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pmThis debate proved that Sen. Obama did mcchimpy a big favor by not holding honest townhall meetings.
mcchimpy looked like cheap-shot arrogant bully that he is.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:07 pmMcCain is such a coward he’s afraid to bring up Ayers. He only lets his women do the dirty work for him.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pmSo where does McCain go from here? Does he keep slinging mud? Does he switch back to the issues? He is really in a tough spot because it looks like the momentum for Obama is very real.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm10:59: McCain made zero mentions of “middle class” tonight — the same number he offered in the first debate.
I heard him mentioned ‘middle class’
October 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pm“That one” has been picked up by everyone it seems.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:09 pmThat “that one” comment sounds like it was the final nail in McCain’s coffin.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pmJohn Oliver is so awesome.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:10 pmWhat in the hell was McDepends doing wandering around , BTW ?
He have a map with the precise location of buried treasure on it ?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:11 pmtbone Says:
So where does McCain go from here? Does he keep slinging mud? Does he switch back to the issues? He is really in a tough spot because it looks like the momentum for Obama is very real.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
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Ayers, Wright, and fear of black people.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:12 pmThat Maccaca.
The YouTube clip will be at the top of the hot list by midnight.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pmCBS
BO – 39
No one – 34
JM – 24-29?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:13 pmH. Toasterhead:
October 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pmYou think he sticks with that? I think that is destined to drag him down to the point where people pity him. Unless he comes up with something new and verifiable, I think negative campaigning is the nail in the coffin to his candidacy and his legacy. I think if he has any sense, he change course on that.
Anybody get an official count of how many times the shriv said “My friends”?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pmIt’s becoming clear from the after-debate spin-room talk, that the DNC has adopted the republican position on energy issues.
DNC insiders have clearly drunk the offshore drilling/nuclear/clean coal soma.
I’ve heard it echoed in the rhetoric of several DNC leadership/insiders, like Harold Ford.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:16 pmGramps had to scurry off to clean out his pants.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:17 pmThe man who has has cancer several time wants more “safe and clean” nuclear power?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:17 pmYeah a bit weird. Perhaps the chair was too tall and he didnt wanna look short by leaning rather than sitting relaxed like Obama did
October 7th, 2008 at 11:17 pmb40 Says:
At the end of the debate, when the candidates and their wives were greeting the crowd, McCain came up behind Obama on the right side, and tapped Obama’s left shoulder. Obama turned around and reached a hand out to McCain and McCain soft of blew him off and pushed Obama’s hand toward Cindy. He didn’t shake his hand.
Wow. I wanna see that. What a ignorant sissy.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:18 pmIllinois has more nuclear plants than any other state but McStupid loves saying Obama is totally against it. I doubt if he’s for it but do your homework McCain.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:19 pmDid a caller on C-span just claim “Obama supports human cloning”???
October 7th, 2008 at 11:19 pm“My friends, Franklin D Roosevelt approves my message”
October 7th, 2008 at 11:19 pmBarfly:
October 7th, 2008 at 11:19 pmIt does appear that way. Offshore drilling seems to be on the table for the Dems. I really hope that if it is, it is at the bottom of the list of ways to address energy issues.
TPM has the video of “the handshake that wasnt”
October 7th, 2008 at 11:20 pmhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php
galmud Says: Did a caller on C-span just claim “Obama supports human cloning”???
Did it sound like Sarah Palin?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pmI wonder how much spent nuclear fuel could be stored for how long in the houses of McCain?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pmAbove the Clouds Says:
The man who has has cancer several time wants more “safe and clean” nuclear power?
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He wants cancer patients to rub their bodies against the storage containers as a cheap from of chemo.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:23 pmAh yes, Nuclear power.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:24 pmWE can have more of it, but the Iranians can’t have any of it in case they build a nuclear weapon that Israel has about 100 of at the moment with the means to deliver them too. That would be a “game-changer.”
Thanks for the clip galmud. Who doesn’t shake the hand of a US Senator.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:25 pmI guess the old fart isn’t as good at the town hall as he thought he was. His campaign has already sent out a complaint that this wasn’t an actual town hall.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:27 pmDesperate to resuscitate his diminishing hopes for the White House, John McCain during tonight’s presidential town hall meeting dramatically reversed course on a mortgage bailout for home owners. This spring, McCain adamantly stated “it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers.” Now with his presidential campaign and the economy in dire straits alike, John McCain decided to open the federal wallet after all.
For the details on McCain’s past statements and cynical turnabout, see:
October 7th, 2008 at 11:27 pm“McCain Flip-Flops on Mortgage Bailout for Homeowners.”
Shayne Says:
Thanks for the clip galmud. Who doesn’t shake the hand of a US Senator.
That one *points at McCain
October 7th, 2008 at 11:28 pmDon’t forget we are sending nuclear expertise to India and we are getting mangoes. And lets not mention that Pakistan has nukes. Iran should say we will not pursue nuclear weapons when Israel gives up all of theirs.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:29 pmcheaper alternative to chemo…
my B
October 7th, 2008 at 11:30 pmWhy? Is seems that people of color and people of good sense are afraid of white people fighting for oil and aggression.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:30 pmNot only does it appear that McCain refused to shake hands, but he also seemed to “pass Obama off” on Cindy. That’s a pretty disrespectful (and classless) move.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pmObama should ask McCain if he wants to do nine more town halls.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:33 pmjb Says:
Don’t forget we are sending nuclear expertise to India and we are getting mangoes. And lets not mention that Pakistan has nukes. Iran should say we will not pursue nuclear weapons when Israel gives up all of theirs.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
So now that we’ve covered health care, the economy, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Israel, Medicaid, taxes, and oil, what;s the next debate going to be about?
the DOJ, Gitmo, War Crimes, War Profiteering, Illegal Wiretapping, Vote Caging, Rendition, Net Neutrality, “Contractors”, Lobbyists?
I’m guessing none of the above.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:35 pmThat Vet who asked a question tonight should have asked McDepends if Johnny Boy’s Chief Petty Officer is the one who taught him how to crash planes so wonderfully and regularly……….
October 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pmjb: Don’t forget we are sending nuclear expertise to India and we are getting mangoes.
Apparently so, though I wonder how much expertise the US has to send as there hasn;t been a new nuclear plant built in the us in 30 years (?) and the last time the US built something in India it was Union Carbide in Bhopal, and that didn’t turn out too well.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:38 pmBwahahahaha! Fox News dot Com doesn’t even have a poll. They have a ‘forum’ where people can write what they think. They don’t want to put a voting poll on their website that will show an overwhelming victory for Obama the way it looks to everyone else.
Hilarious.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pmMCMetal Says: That Vet who asked a question tonight should have asked …
how McCain got such lousy grades from Vet’s organizations.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pmUh oh, the Obamas schmoozed after the debate and the McCain ran out and the people who were there are PISSED.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:46 pmMy 93 year old grandmother thinks McCain is too old to run for president, and she’s infinitely sharper than he is. He appears to both of us to be as brain-addled as Reagan was in his last years in office. The press was always laughing off Reagan’s bizarre states as ‘gaffes’, but to the majority (who never loved Reagan like the media did) his dotage was a bit unnerving.
How can a critical mass of Americans be more afraid of a mulatto being president, than a guy who is stuck in a mindset that is nearly extinct and who appears not to be getting enough oxygen to his brain? There is nothing wrong with being old, but there is something seriously wrong with being OLD and being the president.
Sounds like he kinda tanked on this town hall meeting(TM). Maybe it wasn’t the way he remembers the 19th century.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:48 pmShayne:
October 7th, 2008 at 11:49 pmApparently, McCain’s social skills are not up to snuff. What are the odds he is currently berating some staffer about his poor performance?
For 90 minutes we didn’t have to think of or hear Sarah Palin.
We are all winners.
http://www.WilyTrax.com
October 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pmWhat are the odds he is currently berating some staffer about his poor performance?
Cindy’s probably already dosed herself with a couple five prophylactic Ambiens.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:55 pmYou think she waited ’til after the debate?
October 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pmI just read 474 comments and everybody on here says nothing nice about Senator McCain. come on it can’t be that one sided.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pmtbone Says:
Shayne:
Apparently, McCain’s social skills are not up to snuff. What are the odds he is currently berating some staffer about his poor performance?
Maybe it is for the better a president McCain wouldnt talk directly to Iran, Spain or anyone. Instead send pretty little Sarah around the world to charm the men of power.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:00 am“globachio Says:
I just read 474 comments and everybody on here says nothing nice about Senator McCain. come on it can’t be that one sided.”
Why should we say something nice about him, there is nothing nice to say about him?
He didn’t call his wife a c__t, I guess that’s a plus. Does that make you happy?
October 8th, 2008 at 12:03 amglobachio Says:
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I just read 474 comments and everybody on here says nothing nice about Senator McCain. come on it can’t be that one sided.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
You believe lying throughout the entire “debate” as well as blowing off a handshake from your opponent afterwards and then ske-daddling out while the other candidate and his lovely wife schmooze with the crowd is being “nice” ?
Wake up and get a clue……………
October 8th, 2008 at 12:04 amMSNBC pat is ridiculous. He said during mcchimpy’s closing ham statement, “He spoke from his heart.” What heart?
pat is also saying mcchimpy should be down and dirty because that the only way to win. Yeah, bring up tired old bs and we will bring up yours. These are old tactics for the 20th century.
mcchimpy will play the grandpappy role next. The lovable old wise pappy.
HAHAHAHHA
October 8th, 2008 at 12:05 amWhat was McCain thinking when he said we would buy up upside down mortgages and then revalue them. Who decides who gets bailed out? Who decides what the value will be?
Big Brother John McCain? Communist? Is he going to tell us where we can live next?
He is off the deep end. Bye Bye John. I wonder how fox will spin this. Should be fun to watch them for once.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:06 amMcDepends spent his entire “closing statement” prattling on about his shitty life and supposed achievements , when he was supposed to answer a direct question that had nothing whatsoever to do with what he was babling about ………
He’s a fu(king stupid old man………….
October 8th, 2008 at 12:08 amglobachio Says:
You must be lost…..it’s called think progress so mccain….not so much.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:08 amMSNBC yeah right, “that one” isn’t a slip.
It’s what an old white people call color people.
I learned something every day.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:10 amOk, I’ve got a nice thing to say about McCain:
It’s really nice he didn’t drop dead on the stage.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:15 amSomething nice? He didn’t wink like a $2.00 hooker.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:16 amGee Zooey, tell me why that is a good thing.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:16 amwait.. John McCain is white? and old? and he’s losing…
wow..
October 8th, 2008 at 12:17 amShayne,
It’s a good thing because we didn’t have to watch Cindy start giggling uncontrollably. ;)
October 8th, 2008 at 12:18 amHe’s stupid as hell , too…………
October 8th, 2008 at 12:18 amIt’s hours late, but check our live-blogging on TheZoo. :-)
October 8th, 2008 at 12:20 amwell I’m done for the night. Good night all.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:20 amGoodnight, 5th Estate. I’m outta here, too.
Goodnight, all!
October 8th, 2008 at 12:22 amWhy am I not seeing Shayne’s and Zooey’s names and links? (Not that I don’t know them, but…)
Goodnight, 5th! I’m out, too.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:25 amWhy are the repugs using this bs:
Sen. Obama has voted 90% with the dems proposals.
Idiotic.
Please tell me that repugs aren’t comparing mcchimpy’s voting over 90% with chimpy’s failed and dangerous policies. How can they be compared? Dumbasses
It’s a silly ignorant one sided typical repug argument. WTF?
October 8th, 2008 at 12:29 amJane, Zooey and I must be wearing our invisibility cloaks. Can you see me now.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:45 amNo, Shayne, I still can’t see you. Weird.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:51 amOMG I saw the hand dis from mcchimpy. It made Sen. Obama split from the old coot.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:06 amNot only does it appear that McCain refused to shake hands, but he also seemed to “pass Obama off” on Cindy. That’s a pretty disrespectful (and classless) move.
Quite unusual. He normally gets sloppy seconds; in this case, he gave ‘em.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:40 amMcCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair
Associated Press. October 07, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
WASHINGTON – Republican Sen. John McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America in the 1980s.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom also aided rebels trying to overthrow the (DEMOCRATIC) leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption.
The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league’s chairman.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:43 amAplomb, élan, style=Obama
confusion, delusion=JSMcC
After the debate: The Obama’s exude warmth and a true, caring demeanor.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:59 amThe McC’s, cold, aloof and very GWBish.
“That One”
mcchimpy is a racist mfer like all repugs.
If he uses those two words at his rallies, that will stir-up his
racist friends.
mcchimpy has tanked his campaign on purpose for good. Good riddance old fart.
Tons of progressive blogs are really pissed off at mcchimpy and plain’s idiotic, erratic behavior.
October 8th, 2008 at 2:37 amThis one. . .
THAT WON 08
copyright d. wince
October 8th, 2008 at 2:50 amMcCain probably thinks a China Syndrome can only happen in China.
October 8th, 2008 at 3:01 amWell I’m getting into discussion suuuuper late, just watched. Few thoughts. Maybe some folks are still up ;-)
Wow the debate format was terrible. The audience except for one woman were like robots. The non-followup was just silly. Who agreed to that or thought it was a good idea? They both looked like they wanted to break that rule.
Hehe couple others here mentioned, yeah McCain was wandering – pacing. Hey, relax guy!
McCain seemed to have trouble breathing. Between each sentence, he inhaled deeply, loudly. Either something’s up with his health or he’s bottling some serious anger. Maybe both.
Obama saying outright that he wants to kill OBL and crush Al Quaeda was brilliant. Remember what happened last time? OBL endorsed JK. Then everyone voted Bush. Gah. Well, this time it won’t work I believe. If OBL tried it, all everyone has to do is point to this debate and say – Obama wants to kill OBL, John McCain prevaricated.
I love those insta-polls. Real reactions, unfiltered. It’s awesome. That works so great it needs to be bigger, give us an even bigger sample size. Highly understandable how the numbers flatline when we get infighting. Bickering is getting boring. Answers are good. Let’s hope this latest Johnny Mac strategy (or is it a tactic, I’m never sure) of mudslinging doesn’t drag Obama down. Use your strengths, Barack! We love it when you have solutions!
But overall, it was quite a boring debate. I blame the format and rule-monster Tom.
October 8th, 2008 at 5:13 amCandidate as trains.
October 8th, 2008 at 6:05 amOK, let me say something nice about McCain AND Bush, referencing the above statement. McCain was right! So was Bush! It’s just that McCain has never looked into Bush’s eyes to see what’s actually there. The last five years prove that both men were correct in their assessment.
October 8th, 2008 at 7:03 amWell the transcripts are out, and McCain said “my friends” and “my friend” a total of twenty times.
It seemed like more, but that’s quite a lot of usage for a ninety minute debate. Figuring he spoke roughly half the time, that’s twenty mentions in 45 minutes, or about 1 mention every 2.5 minutes.
October 8th, 2008 at 7:55 amMcCain just quit. He picked up his toys and left in a huff after the debate ended. The Obama’s stayed a full 20 minutes to chat, shake hands and pose for pictures. This race just ended. Can you say President Obama? I sure can.
October 8th, 2008 at 8:38 amjust scrolling through the live blog it looked like Obama hardly spoke at all? Why not blog both candidates statements?
October 8th, 2008 at 9:20 amMcCain is just an old curmudgeon. His bitter snarl of “That One” in reference to Obama is the epitome of McCain’s “get off my lawn” crabbiness and derangement.
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October 8th, 2008 at 9:29 amIMHO, Brokaw wasn’t up to the moderation task, nor did he do a thorough job on follow up questions.
McCain showed Americans who he is…a tired, washed up, lying old Beltway Boob. He’s bitter, forgetful & not real smart.
Obama was concise, personable & professional, but time limits restricted him from in depth answers.
Early news ‘rating’s show favorable opinions at 40%+ for Obama, 26% for McCain.
Watch for an Oct surprise; it’s all McBush has left to try.
October 8th, 2008 at 9:34 amby Naomi Wolf
Huffington Post – September 24, 2008
Global Research, October 3, 2008
Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah “Evita” Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.
You have to understand how things work in a closing society in order to understand “Palin Power.” A gang or cabal seizes power, usually with an affable, weak figurehead at the fore. Then they will hold elections — but they will make sure that the election will be corrupted and that the next affable, weak figurehead is entirely in their control. Remember, Russia has Presidents; Russia holds elections. Dictators and gangs of thugs all over the world hold elections. It means nothing. When a cabal has seized power you can have elections and even presidents, but you don’t have freedom.
I realized early on with horror what I was seeing in Governor Palin: the continuation of the Rove-Cheney cabal, but this time without restraints. I heard her echo Bush 2000 soundbites (”the heart of America is on display”) and realized Bush’s speechwriters were writing her — not McCain’s — speeches. I heard her tell George Bush’s lies — not McCain’s — to the American people, linking 9/11 to Iraq. I heard her make fun of Barack Obama for wanting to prevent the torture of prisoners — this is Rove-Cheney’s enthusiastic S and M, not McCain’s, who, though he shamefully colluded in the 2006 Military Tribunals Act, is also a former prisoner of war and wrote an eloquent Newsweek piece in 2005 opposing torture. I saw that she was even styled by the same skillful stylist (neutral lipstick, matte makeup, dark colors) who turned Katharine Harris from a mall rat into a stateswoman and who styles all the women in the Bush orbit — but who does not bother to style Cindy McCain.
Then I saw and heard more. Palin is embracing lawlessness in defying Alaskan Legislature subpoenas — this is what Rove-Cheney, and not McCain, believe in doing. She uses mafia tactics against critics, like the police commissioner who was railroaded for opposing handguns in Alaskan battered women’s shelters — Rove’s style, not McCain’s. I realized what I was seeing.
Reports confirmed my suspicions: Palin, not McCain, is the FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney cabal. The strategy became clear. Time magazine reported that Rove is “dialed in” to the McCain campaign. Rove’s protege Steve Schmidt is now campaign manager. And Politico reported that Rove was heavily involved in McCain’s vice presidential selection. Finally a new report shows that there are dozens of Bush and Rove operatives surrounding Sarah Palin and orchestrating her every move.
What’s the plan? It is this. McCain doesn’t matter. Reputable dermatologists are discussing the fact that in simply actuarial terms, John McCain has a virulent and life-threatening form of skin cancer. It is the elephant in the room, but we must discuss the health of the candidates: doctors put survival rates for someone his age at two to four years. I believe the Rove-Cheney cabal is using Sarah Palin as a stalking horse, an Evita figure, to put a popular, populist face on the coming police state and be the talk show hostess for the end of elections as we know them. If McCain-Palin get in, this will be the last true American election. She will be working for Halliburton, KBR, Rove and Cheney into the foreseeable future — for a decade perhaps — a puppet “president” for the same people who have plundered our treasure, are now holding the US economy hostage and who murdered four thousand brave young men and women in a way of choice and lies.
How, you may ask, can I assert this? How can I argue, as I now do, that there is actually a war being ramped up against US citizens and our democracy and that Sarah Palin is the figurehead and muse for that war?
Look at the RNC. This is supposed to be McCain’s America. But you see the unmistakable theatre of Rove’s S and M imagery — and you see stages eight, nine and ten of the steps to a dictatorship as I outlined them in The End of America. Preemptive arrest? Abusive arrest? “Newly released footage, which was buried to avoid confiscation, shows riot cops arresting and abusing a giant group of people for nothing.”
Journalists were arrested — for reporting. Amy Goodman and ABC producers were arrested. Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake and others were forced to lie face down as armed agents tied their hands behind their backs. The riot police wore the black S&M gear of the Rovian fantasy life and carried the four foot batons cops carry in North Korea. All this is not John McCain’s imagery or strategy: it is Karl Rove’s.
In McCain-Palin’s America, citizens who are protesting are being charged as terrorists. This means that a violent war had been declared on American citizens. A well known reporter leaked to me on background that St Paul police had dressed as protesters and, dressed in Black — shades of the Blackshirts of 1920 — infiltrated protest groups. There were also phalanxes of men in black wearing balaclavas, linking arms and behaving menacingly — alleged “anarchists.” Let me tell you, I have been on the left for thirty years and you can’t get three lefties to wear the same t-shirt to a rally, let alone link arms and wear identical face masks: these are not our guys. Agent Provocateurs framing protesters and calling protest “terrorism” constitutes step ten of a police state:
“In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism… [they] 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.”
“Paid, confidential informants… infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement. They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants. Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provocateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence.”
Under the Palin-Rove police state, you will see escalating infringements on your access to a free internet:
“Sarah Palin was baptized at Wasilla Assembly of God…Last Sunday our research team released a video, a ten-minute mini-documentary, focusing on the Wasilla Assemblies of God and the video seemed on the verge of a massive “viral” breakthrough when YouTube pulled it down, citing ‘inappropriate content’. At the point the video was censored by YouTube it had been viewed by almost 160,000 people. The short of it is that YouTube has censored a video documentary that appeared to be close to having an effect on a hard fought and contentious American presidential election…”
Under the coming Palin-Rove police state, you will witness the plans now underway to bring Iraqi troops to patrol the streets of our nation. This is not McCain’s fantasy: it is Rove’s and Cheney’s.
Under the Palin-Rove police state, there will be no further true elections. Mark Crispin Miller has done sensational and under-reported investigating t o establish that — as I warned — indeed the GOP staffers on the US Senate Judiciary Committee have been .
The evidence is also buried on the Website of the Majority House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
WASHINGTON — Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe. >From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications witho ut a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight — and with what tactics.
– “Senate panel’s GOP staff spied on Democrats” By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 22, 2004
Do you think that spying like this will ever end under a Palin-Rove regime? Dream on. If she and McCain are elected, then every single strategy memo and speech and debate prep note from every opposition candidate from now and on into forever will be read by the regime in power while it is still in the computers of the challengers.
Under the Palin-Rove police state, citizens will be targeted with state cyberterrorism. Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda, a former Reagan official, warned me three years ago that the Bush team went after a Republican who had crossed them through cyberstalking: they messed with his email, messed with his phones and I believe messed with his bank account — he became a cyber-pariah, unemployable and haunted. With modern technology, there really is less place to hide from the state than there was in East Germany in the Cold War era. I remember feeling a chill: of course. That is the wave of the future once we breach the protections around citizens of FISA and the fourth amendment. That way lies the abyss for us all.
Am I trying to scare you? I am. I am trying to scare you to death and ask you to scare your Republican and independent friends most of all. How do you know when it is war on citizens? When there are mass arrests, journalists are jailed, the opposition is infiltrated, rights are stripped and leaders start to ignore the rule of law.
Almost everyone I work with on projects related to this campaign for liberty has been experiencing computer harassment: emails are stripped, messages disappear. That’s not all: people’s bank accounts are being tampered with: wire transfers to banks vanish in midair. I personally keep opening bank accounts that are quickly corrupted by fraud. Money vanishes. Coworkers of mine have to keep opening new email accounts as old ones become infected. And most disturbingly to me personally is the mail tampering I have both heard of and experienced firsthand. My tax returns vanished from my mailbox. All my larger envelopes arrive ripped straight open apparently by hand. When I show the postman, he says “That’s impossible.” Horrifyingly to me is the impact on my family. My childrens’ report cards are returned again and again though perfectly addressed; their invitations are turned back; and my daughters many letters from camp? Vanished. All of them. Not one arrived. Try explaining that to a smart thirteen year old. Try explaining it in a way that still makes her feel secure and comfortable.
I am not telling you this because it’s about my life. I am telling you this because it is about your life — whoever you are, Conservative or Liberal, independent or evangelical. Your politics will not protect you in a police state. History shows that nothing protects you in a police state. This is not about my fear and anxiety: it is about what awaits you and everyone you love unless you see this for what it is:
Scharansky divided nations into “fear societies” and “free societies.” Make no mistake: Sarah “Evita” Palin is Rove and Cheney’s cosmetic rebranding of their fascist push: she will help to establish a true and irreversible “fear society” in this once free once proud nation. For God’s sake, do not let her; do not let them.
Naomi Wolf is the author of ‘The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot’ (Chelsea Green, 2007).
October 8th, 2008 at 9:39 amIt’s nice to finally have a presidential candidate who teaches us to come out strong by remaining calm in the face of a challenge — in Obama’s case, multiple challenges in being cut off repeatedly by Tom Brokaw in the name of “time constraints” while McChimpy got in the last word.
But, that all didn’t matter. They piled the challenges on THAT ONE, and THAT ONE came out with a clean victory. The independents are now securely in the tank for Obama.
Buh Bye McFlakyMavericky. Take your collection of barbies with you.
Brokaw: F
McCain: F
Obama: A
October 8th, 2008 at 9:57 am“I know how to fix this economy.”
Classic McCain
If that truly was the case why did he have nothing to say at the White House meeting when he supposedly suspended his campaign? Why did he vote for a bill full of unecessary wasteful spending(ie: pork)?
October 8th, 2008 at 9:59 am“So McCain has no problem attacking Iraq, a sovereign country but not Pakistan. What’s up with that?”
Nineteen_and_84
Pakistan = Nuclear armed.
Iraq = Non nuclear armed.
Not much more to say!
October 8th, 2008 at 10:29 amI actually decided to stomach a debate last night. I haven’t seen any of the others. I was glad I watched. McCain was seething with anger, right under the surface, he was laboring to sound “pleasant”. McCain said “my friends” so many times, like he was talking to people in a nursing home, or TBN viewers. McCain had many “points” that had absolutely no substance. He was a grumpy old man who felt entitled, and couldn’t believe he even “had” to debate Obama.
Obama was a statesmen, Presidential, intelligent, strong, articulate, and wiped the floor with GrampySauce. Obama was aggressive in discussing Bin Laden. Called grampy out on his “bomb bomb Iran” rhetoric. McCain thought he had a point when criticizing Obama’s “plan” to spend 800 billion dollars on domestic programs, but was a joke in light of the recent “bailout” of Wall Street to the tune of a trillion dollars.
Grampy needs a nap.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:47 amAgreed. But I hated how Obama had to come across as bombier-than-thou.
October 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm