Obama was a statesmen, Presidential, intelligent, strong, articulate, and wiped the floor with GrampySauce. Obama was aggressive in discussing Bin Laden. Called grampy out on his “bomb bomb Iran” rhetoric.

Agreed. But I hated how Obama had to come across as bombier-than-thou.

Obama was a statesmen, Presidential, intelligent, strong, articulate, and wiped the floor with GrampySauce. Obama was aggressive in discussing Bin Laden. Called grampy out on his “bomb bomb Iran” rhetoric. McCain thought he had a point when criticizing Obama’s “plan” to spend 800 billion dollars on domestic programs, but was a joke in light of the recent “bailout” of Wall Street to the tune of a trillion dollars.

Grampy needs a nap.

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Pakistan = Nuclear armed.
Iraq = Non nuclear armed.

Not much more to say!

If that truly was the case why did he have nothing to say at the White House meeting when he supposedly suspended his campaign? Why did he vote for a bill full of unecessary wasteful spending(ie: pork)?

But, that all didn’t matter. They piled the challenges on THAT ONE, and THAT ONE came out with a clean victory. The independents are now securely in the tank for Obama.

Buh Bye McFlakyMavericky. Take your collection of barbies with you.

Brokaw: F

McCain: F

Obama: A

Please understand what you are looking at when you look at Sarah “Evita” Palin. You are looking at the designated muse of the coming American police state.

You have to understand how things work in a closing society in order to understand “Palin Power.” A gang or cabal seizes power, usually with an affable, weak figurehead at the fore. Then they will hold elections — but they will make sure that the election will be corrupted and that the next affable, weak figurehead is entirely in their control. Remember, Russia has Presidents; Russia holds elections. Dictators and gangs of thugs all over the world hold elections. It means nothing. When a cabal has seized power you can have elections and even presidents, but you don’t have freedom.

I realized early on with horror what I was seeing in Governor Palin: the continuation of the Rove-Cheney cabal, but this time without restraints. I heard her echo Bush 2000 soundbites (”the heart of America is on display”) and realized Bush’s speechwriters were writing her — not McCain’s — speeches. I heard her tell George Bush’s lies — not McCain’s — to the American people, linking 9/11 to Iraq. I heard her make fun of Barack Obama for wanting to prevent the torture of prisoners — this is Rove-Cheney’s enthusiastic S and M, not McCain’s, who, though he shamefully colluded in the 2006 Military Tribunals Act, is also a former prisoner of war and wrote an eloquent Newsweek piece in 2005 opposing torture. I saw that she was even styled by the same skillful stylist (neutral lipstick, matte makeup, dark colors) who turned Katharine Harris from a mall rat into a stateswoman and who styles all the women in the Bush orbit — but who does not bother to style Cindy McCain.

Then I saw and heard more. Palin is embracing lawlessness in defying Alaskan Legislature subpoenas — this is what Rove-Cheney, and not McCain, believe in doing. She uses mafia tactics against critics, like the police commissioner who was railroaded for opposing handguns in Alaskan battered women’s shelters — Rove’s style, not McCain’s. I realized what I was seeing.

Reports confirmed my suspicions: Palin, not McCain, is the FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney cabal. The strategy became clear. Time magazine reported that Rove is “dialed in” to the McCain campaign. Rove’s protege Steve Schmidt is now campaign manager. And Politico reported that Rove was heavily involved in McCain’s vice presidential selection. Finally a new report shows that there are dozens of Bush and Rove operatives surrounding Sarah Palin and orchestrating her every move.

What’s the plan? It is this. McCain doesn’t matter. Reputable dermatologists are discussing the fact that in simply actuarial terms, John McCain has a virulent and life-threatening form of skin cancer. It is the elephant in the room, but we must discuss the health of the candidates: doctors put survival rates for someone his age at two to four years. I believe the Rove-Cheney cabal is using Sarah Palin as a stalking horse, an Evita figure, to put a popular, populist face on the coming police state and be the talk show hostess for the end of elections as we know them. If McCain-Palin get in, this will be the last true American election. She will be working for Halliburton, KBR, Rove and Cheney into the foreseeable future — for a decade perhaps — a puppet “president” for the same people who have plundered our treasure, are now holding the US economy hostage and who murdered four thousand brave young men and women in a way of choice and lies.

How, you may ask, can I assert this? How can I argue, as I now do, that there is actually a war being ramped up against US citizens and our democracy and that Sarah Palin is the figurehead and muse for that war?

Look at the RNC. This is supposed to be McCain’s America. But you see the unmistakable theatre of Rove’s S and M imagery — and you see stages eight, nine and ten of the steps to a dictatorship as I outlined them in The End of America. Preemptive arrest? Abusive arrest? “Newly released footage, which was buried to avoid confiscation, shows riot cops arresting and abusing a giant group of people for nothing.”

Journalists were arrested — for reporting. Amy Goodman and ABC producers were arrested. Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake and others were forced to lie face down as armed agents tied their hands behind their backs. The riot police wore the black S&M gear of the Rovian fantasy life and carried the four foot batons cops carry in North Korea. All this is not John McCain’s imagery or strategy: it is Karl Rove’s.

In McCain-Palin’s America, citizens who are protesting are being charged as terrorists. This means that a violent war had been declared on American citizens. A well known reporter leaked to me on background that St Paul police had dressed as protesters and, dressed in Black — shades of the Blackshirts of 1920 — infiltrated protest groups. There were also phalanxes of men in black wearing balaclavas, linking arms and behaving menacingly — alleged “anarchists.” Let me tell you, I have been on the left for thirty years and you can’t get three lefties to wear the same t-shirt to a rally, let alone link arms and wear identical face masks: these are not our guys. Agent Provocateurs framing protesters and calling protest “terrorism” constitutes step ten of a police state:

“In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism… [they] 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.”

“Paid, confidential informants… infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement. They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants. Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provocateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence.”

Under the Palin-Rove police state, you will see escalating infringements on your access to a free internet:

“Sarah Palin was baptized at Wasilla Assembly of God…Last Sunday our research team released a video, a ten-minute mini-documentary, focusing on the Wasilla Assemblies of God and the video seemed on the verge of a massive “viral” breakthrough when YouTube pulled it down, citing ‘inappropriate content’. At the point the video was censored by YouTube it had been viewed by almost 160,000 people. The short of it is that YouTube has censored a video documentary that appeared to be close to having an effect on a hard fought and contentious American presidential election…”

Under the coming Palin-Rove police state, you will witness the plans now underway to bring Iraqi troops to patrol the streets of our nation. This is not McCain’s fantasy: it is Rove’s and Cheney’s.

Under the Palin-Rove police state, there will be no further true elections. Mark Crispin Miller has done sensational and under-reported investigating t o establish that — as I warned — indeed the GOP staffers on the US Senate Judiciary Committee have been .

The evidence is also buried on the Website of the Majority House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

WASHINGTON — Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe. >From the spring of 2002 until at least April 2003, members of the GOP committee staff exploited a computer glitch that allowed them to access restricted Democratic communications witho ut a password. Trolling through hundreds of memos, they were able to read talking points and accounts of private meetings discussing which judicial nominees Democrats would fight — and with what tactics.

– “Senate panel’s GOP staff spied on Democrats” By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 22, 2004

Do you think that spying like this will ever end under a Palin-Rove regime? Dream on. If she and McCain are elected, then every single strategy memo and speech and debate prep note from every opposition candidate from now and on into forever will be read by the regime in power while it is still in the computers of the challengers.

Under the Palin-Rove police state, citizens will be targeted with state cyberterrorism. Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda, a former Reagan official, warned me three years ago that the Bush team went after a Republican who had crossed them through cyberstalking: they messed with his email, messed with his phones and I believe messed with his bank account — he became a cyber-pariah, unemployable and haunted. With modern technology, there really is less place to hide from the state than there was in East Germany in the Cold War era. I remember feeling a chill: of course. That is the wave of the future once we breach the protections around citizens of FISA and the fourth amendment. That way lies the abyss for us all.

Am I trying to scare you? I am. I am trying to scare you to death and ask you to scare your Republican and independent friends most of all. How do you know when it is war on citizens? When there are mass arrests, journalists are jailed, the opposition is infiltrated, rights are stripped and leaders start to ignore the rule of law.

Almost everyone I work with on projects related to this campaign for liberty has been experiencing computer harassment: emails are stripped, messages disappear. That’s not all: people’s bank accounts are being tampered with: wire transfers to banks vanish in midair. I personally keep opening bank accounts that are quickly corrupted by fraud. Money vanishes. Coworkers of mine have to keep opening new email accounts as old ones become infected. And most disturbingly to me personally is the mail tampering I have both heard of and experienced firsthand. My tax returns vanished from my mailbox. All my larger envelopes arrive ripped straight open apparently by hand. When I show the postman, he says “That’s impossible.” Horrifyingly to me is the impact on my family. My childrens’ report cards are returned again and again though perfectly addressed; their invitations are turned back; and my daughters many letters from camp? Vanished. All of them. Not one arrived. Try explaining that to a smart thirteen year old. Try explaining it in a way that still makes her feel secure and comfortable.

I am not telling you this because it’s about my life. I am telling you this because it is about your life — whoever you are, Conservative or Liberal, independent or evangelical. Your politics will not protect you in a police state. History shows that nothing protects you in a police state. This is not about my fear and anxiety: it is about what awaits you and everyone you love unless you see this for what it is:

Scharansky divided nations into “fear societies” and “free societies.” Make no mistake: Sarah “Evita” Palin is Rove and Cheney’s cosmetic rebranding of their fascist push: she will help to establish a true and irreversible “fear society” in this once free once proud nation. For God’s sake, do not let her; do not let them.

Naomi Wolf is the author of ‘The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot’ (Chelsea Green, 2007).

McCain showed Americans who he is…a tired, washed up, lying old Beltway Boob. He’s bitter, forgetful & not real smart.

Obama was concise, personable & professional, but time limits restricted him from in depth answers.

Early news ‘rating’s show favorable opinions at 40%+ for Obama, 26% for McCain.

Watch for an Oct surprise; it’s all McBush has left to try.

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It seemed like more, but that’s quite a lot of usage for a ninety minute debate. Figuring he spoke roughly half the time, that’s twenty mentions in 45 minutes, or about 1 mention every 2.5 minutes.

“…McCain said that when he looks into Putin’s eyes, he sees the letters K-G-B. But in 2001, after President Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul, McCain gave him “an A” for how he did in his meeting with Putin…”

OK, let me say something nice about McCain AND Bush, referencing the above statement. McCain was right! So was Bush! It’s just that McCain has never looked into Bush’s eyes to see what’s actually there. The last five years prove that both men were correct in their assessment.

Wow the debate format was terrible. The audience except for one woman were like robots. The non-followup was just silly. Who agreed to that or thought it was a good idea? They both looked like they wanted to break that rule.

Hehe couple others here mentioned, yeah McCain was wandering – pacing. Hey, relax guy!

McCain seemed to have trouble breathing. Between each sentence, he inhaled deeply, loudly. Either something’s up with his health or he’s bottling some serious anger. Maybe both.

Obama saying outright that he wants to kill OBL and crush Al Quaeda was brilliant. Remember what happened last time? OBL endorsed JK. Then everyone voted Bush. Gah. Well, this time it won’t work I believe. If OBL tried it, all everyone has to do is point to this debate and say – Obama wants to kill OBL, John McCain prevaricated.

I love those insta-polls. Real reactions, unfiltered. It’s awesome. That works so great it needs to be bigger, give us an even bigger sample size. Highly understandable how the numbers flatline when we get infighting. Bickering is getting boring. Answers are good. Let’s hope this latest Johnny Mac strategy (or is it a tactic, I’m never sure) of mudslinging doesn’t drag Obama down. Use your strengths, Barack! We love it when you have solutions!

But overall, it was quite a boring debate. I blame the format and rule-monster Tom.

THAT WON 08

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mcchimpy is a racist mfer like all repugs.

If he uses those two words at his rallies, that will stir-up his
racist friends.

mcchimpy has tanked his campaign on purpose for good. Good riddance old fart.

Tons of progressive blogs are really pissed off at mcchimpy and plain’s idiotic, erratic behavior.

After the debate: The Obama’s exude warmth and a true, caring demeanor.
The McC’s, cold, aloof and very GWBish.

Associated Press. October 07, 2008 10:20 PM EDT

WASHINGTON – Republican Sen. John McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America in the 1980s.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom also aided rebels trying to overthrow the (DEMOCRATIC) leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption.

The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league’s chairman.

Quite unusual. He normally gets sloppy seconds; in this case, he gave ‘em.