Comments on: New NIE warns that ‘victory’ is not certain in Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:13:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5274328 Marie Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:11:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5274328 4180 dead. Petraeus is not sounding like he supports McCain -- he sounds more like he agrees that Obama has the better approach. 4180 dead.

Petraeus is not sounding like he supports McCain — he sounds more like he agrees that Obama has the better approach.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5274288 wiley Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:57:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5274288 King George couldn't even win the oil contracts. King George couldn’t even win the oil contracts.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273682 RUCerious Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:06:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273682 <em>unresolved ethnic and sectarian tensions in Iraq could unleash a new wave of violence</em> But, But, the SURGE!! unresolved ethnic and sectarian tensions in Iraq could unleash a new wave of violence

But, But, the SURGE!!

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273588 Max-1 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:34:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273588 . <strong>Q U E S T I O N:</strong> Five and a half years later they still can't get an NIE on Iraq to agree... ... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED? . .

Q U E S T I O N:

Five and a half years later they still can’t get an NIE on Iraq to agree…
… MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?

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]]> By: Tawdry http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273572 Tawdry Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:29:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273572 Oh what a surprise! My history books tell me that sectarian tensions have hovered over Iraq for a thousand years. McCain is older than dirt, maybe he remembers when it all began. Oh what a surprise! My history books tell me that sectarian tensions have hovered over Iraq for a thousand years. McCain is older than dirt, maybe he remembers when it all began.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273522 Shayne Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:13:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273522 How exactly would we win an occupation? Would every Iraqi have to be waving a white flag at the same time? How exactly would we win an occupation? Would every Iraqi have to be waving a white flag at the same time?

]]> By: Great Frybread King http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273524 Great Frybread King Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:13:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273524 I can't wait for St. McCain or King George to say how he doesn't agree with the NIE or that it's just wrong. I can’t wait for St. McCain or King George to say how he doesn’t agree with the NIE or that it’s just wrong.

]]> By: Great Frybread King http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273516 Great Frybread King Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:11:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273516 Why do the U.S. ingelligence agencies hate America? Why do the U.S. ingelligence agencies hate America?

]]> By: tombaker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273450 tombaker Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:40:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273450 Is that because "the surge" was such a success, like mr. mccain-and-abel likes to brag?? Is that because “the surge” was such a success, like mr. mccain-and-abel likes to brag??

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273420 Uncle Ho Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:30:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273420 cluserphucktim-FLAGGED AGAIN you asswhole! cluserphucktim-FLAGGED AGAIN you asswhole!

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273412 misshusseinmolly Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:27:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273412 OK -- effective immediately, every politician and pundit who uses the term "victory in Iraq" should be required to define it. When will our media journalists and interviewers start demanding that? OK — effective immediately, every politician and pundit who uses the term “victory in Iraq” should be required to define it.

When will our media journalists and interviewers start demanding that?

]]> By: christopher wiwi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273400 christopher wiwi Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:24:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273400 PHUCK Mcwars and VICTORY, bring our soldiers home and put that money towards V.A. benes and our infrastructure. PHUCK Mcwars and VICTORY, bring our soldiers home and put that money towards V.A. benes and our infrastructure.

]]> By: 666lattes http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273388 666lattes Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:20:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273388 You guys misunderstand... It's only "defeat" if we elect a Democrat and he withdraws from Iraq. It is "victory" if a Repulican is elected and he withdraws. The sad thing is that this "logic" is actually working on such a (relatively) large percentage of Americans. You guys misunderstand… It’s only “defeat” if we elect a Democrat and he withdraws from Iraq. It is “victory” if a Repulican is elected and he withdraws.

The sad thing is that this “logic” is actually working on such a (relatively) large percentage of Americans.

]]> By: lurker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273384 lurker Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:16:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273384 The only reason bush invaded was to kill SH who tried to kill his daddy. He got SH hung "mission accomplished". The only reason bush invaded was to kill SH who tried to kill
his daddy. He got SH hung “mission accomplished”.

]]> By: 5th Estate http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273378 5th Estate Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:13:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273378 larkohio: <em>I do not think they are interested in democracy, </em> I imagine the first thing any national public is interested in, after having had their country physically destroyed by war and then occupied by a military directed by self-serving incompetents who have attempted to impose an order of society by imperial fiat, is in creating some order out of the chaos and developing some structure to their shattered lives. They need to find order locally before they can establish it nationally. larkohio: I do not think they are interested in democracy,

I imagine the first thing any national public is interested in, after having had their country physically destroyed by war and then occupied by a military directed by self-serving incompetents who have attempted to impose an order of society by imperial fiat, is in creating some order out of the chaos and developing some structure to their shattered lives. They need to find order locally before they can establish it nationally.

]]> By: galmud http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273364 galmud Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:08:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273364 <blockquote>Gee… wasn’t that pretty much the standard opinion of everyone who knew anything at all about Iraq? That the US couldn’t possibly achieve a “traditional” military victory in the midst of such nasty, entrenched sectarian hostility? Got stupidity?</blockquote> Not to mention the US made things much worse by pissing off the Sunnis as soon as they had toppled Saddam. And now 5 years and one bloody Sunni-Shiite civil war later sectarian tensions and strife is much worse than they ever were under Saddam. Heckuvajob Dubya

Gee… wasn’t that pretty much the standard opinion of everyone who knew anything at all about Iraq? That the US couldn’t possibly achieve a “traditional” military victory in the midst of such nasty, entrenched sectarian hostility?

Got stupidity?

Not to mention the US made things much worse by pissing off the Sunnis as soon as they had toppled Saddam. And now 5 years and one bloody Sunni-Shiite civil war later sectarian tensions and strife is much worse than they ever were under Saddam.

Heckuvajob Dubya

]]> By: rmwarnick http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273358 rmwarnick Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:07:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273358 Some people decided to make sure we knew about this before Election Day. I don't think they were giving away any secrets, because those of us paying attention to Iraq already know the problems Bush wants to cover up. The reason for keeping the new Iraq NIE under wraps is to prevent an <em>official confirmation</em> of the all bad news from coming out. Some people decided to make sure we knew about this before Election Day. I don’t think they were giving away any secrets, because those of us paying attention to Iraq already know the problems Bush wants to cover up. The reason for keeping the new Iraq NIE under wraps is to prevent an official confirmation of the all bad news from coming out.

]]> By: The Dogfather http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273336 The Dogfather Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:01:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273336 "And you know who doesn't believe there's any intelligence in the NIE, which disputes our victory and the success of the surge? <strong>That one</strong>" (says McSame, pointing into a mirror...). “And you know who doesn’t believe there’s any intelligence in the NIE, which disputes our victory and the success of the surge? That one” (says McSame, pointing into a mirror…).

]]> By: squidbilly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273320 squidbilly Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:54:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273320 Does that mean that they (whomever the NIE authors are) are beginning to realize military action won't by itself end the problem in Iraq?? Surge (or is it escalation?) or not. How about maybe diverting some of those billions used by the military to their economy for reconstruction of the country or at least encourage their own government to engage in a economic development plan that they can afford themselves?. They do have a surplus economy unlike us. The work should be done by Iraqis instead of by US corporations (Bechtel, Halliburton, etc..). They have a worse economy than us with high unemployment and lots of time to seethe in their differences as well as anger to the US. Give them jobs and some sense of hope and maybe they will start forgetting to kill themselves. It will take generations before there will be any kind of stability. Besides, didn't we already "win" the war? It's the peace we can't seem to be able to achieve. Does that mean that they (whomever the NIE authors are) are beginning to realize military action won’t by itself end the problem in Iraq?? Surge (or is it escalation?) or not.

How about maybe diverting some of those billions used by the military to their economy for reconstruction of the country or at least encourage their own government to engage in a economic development plan that they can afford themselves?. They do have a surplus economy unlike us. The work should be done by Iraqis instead of by US corporations (Bechtel, Halliburton, etc..).

They have a worse economy than us with high unemployment and lots of time to seethe in their differences as well as anger to the US. Give them jobs and some sense of hope and maybe they will start forgetting to kill themselves. It will take generations before there will be any kind of stability.

Besides, didn’t we already “win” the war? It’s the peace we can’t seem to be able to achieve.

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-5273318 Xisithrus Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:53:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/08/nie-victory-iraq/#comment-5273318 Dont blink - just wink! Dont blink – just wink!

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