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McCain booed when he asks his supporters to ‘respect’ Obama.

During a campaign rally this evening in Lakeville, MN, an audience member asked Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for a “real fight” with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) at next week’s presidential debate. When McCain responded, “We want a fight, but we will be respectful,” the crowd broke out into loud boos. Ana Marie Cox reports, “McCain, visibly angry, stopped them: ‘I want EVERYONE to be respectful, and let’s make sure we are.’” The crowd then applauded. Watch it:

Earlier today, McCain’s spokesperson appeared to defend the recent spate of violent remarks made by McCain supporters at campaign events.

Update Cox reports this update:

Indeed, he just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab terrorist..."

"No, no ma'am," he interrupted. "He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements."


72 Responses to “McCain booed when he asks his supporters to ‘respect’ Obama.”

  1. DutchHenry says:

    Indeed, he just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, “I’m scared of Barack Obama… he’s an Arab terrorist…”

    ****That’s a lie:McCain took the mic far from snatched,Anne Marie Cox is trying to re-hab McCain’s nasty image.McCain was always a volatile & conniving jerk & he has been exposed as that no amount of fudging my media people who wants access can change that.


  2. wiley says:

    Hmmmmm. Either whoever is running his campaign told him to straighten up and fly right or lose the swing votes, OR some legal people let it be known to him that he was walking a very thin line that could lead to serious repercussions.

    Or both.

    I guess there is the possibility that he finally got disgusted with himself and his ilk. Notice he said that Palin “ignited” his followers—I know the man is militant, but that sounded like a recrimination to me (and passing the buck a little).


  3. Witch1 says:

    Next stop pukie palin…Blessings


  4. Badmoodman says:

    “McCain booed when he asks his supporters to ‘respect’ Obama.”

    – - Oh Maverick, it’s so like you to be at odds with your own campaign strategery,


  5. spencers mom says:

    Too f’ing little, too f’ing late!

    The bloodlust, the scapegoating has begun, and if anything were to happen, you, Senator McCain, are to blame.

    If you can’t control your campaign, you cannot control any governmental agency. You cannot claim any foreign policy cred if you can’t keep peace at home.

    You either directed or allowed Palin to get out there and throw red meat to the worst of the extremists, and now you have lost what little honor you had left.

    It’s over.

    PEACE


  6. justme says:

    NOW he wants to take the high road?????

    Sorry, buddy. That bus left well over a moth ago. You can’t just send that muddy suit to the cleaners and have everyone think you were pickin’ daisys.


  7. Namtillaku says:

    It’s HARD to put the genie back in the bottle.


  8. justme says:

    Or even daisies.

    When did my fingers get faster than my brain? Or is it the other way around?


  9. justme says:

    It’s HARD to put the genie back in the bottle.

    I heard mention elsewhere of the difficulty of “unburning that cross.”

    Ouch.


  10. Zooey says:

    Too little, too late.

    McCain knew this wasn’t the way to go, and probably thought he could put his attack dog (Palin) out front and stay insulated from the muck.

    Now he knows that he f ucked up BIG TIME.


  11. Fritz says:

    First this, then the Alaska’s Legislative Committee’s report on Palin. I’ve been giggling like a fool for hours now.

    Sometimes, there is justice in the world.


  12. osage says:

    McCain’s supporters are reflecting back what his and Palin’s actions and words have incited in them and he’s supposedly uncomfortable with how they act and what they say as if he wasn’t responsible for their reactions. When you repeatedly yell fire, you shouldn’t be surprised that some people are going to get really, really scared. The politics of fear is working. John McCain and Sarah Palin have created so much fear that people actually believe they are in danger.


  13. hanshiro says:

    McCain is a national disgrace. His hypocrisy is legendary (via the Rolling Stone article:

    Then there’s torture — the issue most related to McCain’s own experience as a POW. In 2005, in a highly public fight, McCain battled the president to stop the torture of enemy combatants, winning a victory to require military personnel to abide by the Army Field Manual when interrogating prisoners. But barely a year later, as he prepared to launch his presidential campaign, McCain cut a deal with the White House that allows the Bush administration to imprison detainees indefinitely and to flout the Geneva Conventions’ prohibitions against torture.

    What his former allies in the anti-torture fight found most troubling was that McCain would not admit to his betrayal. Shortly after cutting the deal, McCain spoke to a group of retired military brass who had been working to ban torture. According to Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former deputy, McCain feigned outrage at Bush and Cheney, as though he too had had the rug pulled out from under him. “We all knew the opposite was the truth,” recalls Wilkerson. “That’s when I began to lose a little bit of my respect for the man and his bona fides as a straight shooter.”

    But perhaps the most revealing of McCain’s flip-flops was his promise, made at the beginning of the year, that he would “raise the level of political dialogue in America.” McCain pledged he would “treat my opponents with respect and demand that they treat me with respect.” Instead, with Rove protégé Steve Schmidt at the helm, McCain has turned the campaign into a torrent of debasing negativity, misrepresenting Barack Obama’s positions on everything from sex education for kindergarteners to middle-class taxes. In September, in one of his most blatant embraces of Rove-like tactics, McCain hired Tucker Eskew — one of Rove’s campaign operatives who smeared the senator and his family during the 2000 campaign in South Carolina.

    His “story” about his volunteering to stay in captivity until everyone was released is a ginned-up version of what a great many prisoners did:

    In the company of his fellow POWs, and later in isolation, McCain slowly and miserably recovered from his wounds. In June 1968, after three months in solitary, he was offered what he calls early release. In the official McCain narrative, this was the ultimate test of mettle. He could have come home, but keeping faith with his fellow POWs, he chose to remain imprisoned in Hanoi.

    What McCain glosses over is that accepting early release would have required him to make disloyal statements that would have violated the military’s Code of Conduct. If he had done so, he could have risked court-martial and an ignominious end to his military career. “Many of us were given this offer,” according to Butler, McCain’s classmate who was also taken prisoner. “It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to ‘admit’ that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was ‘lenient and humane.’ So I, like numerous others, refused the offer.”

    “He makes it sound like it was a great thing to have accomplished,” says Dramesi. “A great act of discipline or strength. That simply was not the case.”

    Combine that untethered behavior with Palin’s jingoistic demagoguery stirring up the racist yokels and you have a new arm of the RNC KKK.

    What has happened to McCain’s vaunted “honor?” He’s just another republican prick.


  14. Jess Wonderin says:

    “It’s alive . . . it’s alive!!!”

    OK, “Sidney Frankenstein” . . . now what?


  15. Denee says:

    Can’t stop watching this video, Mc’FAIL’in completely looks uncomfortable when he does the right thing and is honest, not very Mavericky!


  16. Xisithrus says:

    I want to commend McCain for what he has done here.


  17. Kahoneez says:

    YOU THE UNSTABLE MCcain IS POLITICALLY TOAST , when he’s losing the waving pitch fork mob , they booed him after begging them to put down their PITCHFORKS .


  18. Xisithrus says:

    How can we be leaders of the free world of many races if we cannot find commonality in our own land?


  19. wiley says:

    I want the man to retire.


  20. misshusseinmolly says:

    McCain certainly said all the right words, but I wonder why he’s starting now. He didn’t say them when a member of one of his audiences asked “how do we beat the b!tch?” when speaking of Hillary Clinton, for example.

    I suspect that he’s seen that the low level attacks aren’t doing anything for him in the polls. Either that, or he’s going to take the high road while the rest of his crew does the dirty work. It’s “stop it! stop it! stop it some more!”


  21. Bob says:

    Are they afraid of an inside terrorist job eight months into Obama’s term? Where would they get such a crazy idea?


  22. Xisithrus says:

    I would like to see McCain retire, but as with Tony Snow, not for my benefit, but for his.


  23. ctrotter says:

    POWER — IS IT A DELUSION?

    Gollum, originally known as Sméagol, was a creature of Stoorish origin. The name Gollum was derived from the disgusting gurgling, choking cough he made. His birth can be estimated to have happened c. the year 2430 of the Third Age. His death date is given as 25 March TA 3019. His life was extended far beyond its natural limits by the effects of possessing the One Ring. At the time of his death, Gollum was about 589 years old, a remarkable age for a creature who was once a Hobbit, but he had been deformed and twisted in both body and mind by the corruption of the Ring. One of his chief desires was to possess the Ring which had enslaved him, and he pursued it for many years after he lost it.


  24. nobillary says:

    I was really pleased when I saw him make that statement in a clip during David Shuster’s program at 4pm. Maybe he’s finally
    realizing, what his campaign had become. It gave me a glimmer of hope we’d start seeing the “old” McCain again. But he’s been so erratic, who knows?

    With 25 days remaining till Nov 4th, I think we’ll see if he’s turning over a new leaf – or not – soon!


  25. 5th Estate says:

    Xisithrus Says: I want to commend McCain for what he has done here.

    Caveat emptor.

    McCain is responding to the backlash, nothing else. He was perfectly happy to let it happen in the first place because it served his ego and his political need to ‘energize” the GOP base.

    He’s reversed policy positions dozens of times and sometimes within hours. He’s contradicted himself not only in mere minutes but even in seconds–remember he said in one breath that it wasn’t the time to blame anyone for the bail-out debacle it was actually Obama’s fault?

    He said he’d run a clean campaign. He has ‘run’ one as ugly as they get. Michelle Obama is now being targeted by his surrogates over Ayres.

    To believe him redeemed somehow in this one instance is to be naive. He should never have allowed any of this, but he did and for him to acknowledge how far it has gone is not in the least bit praiseworthy. He’s on probation and it remains to be seen if Palin, who particularly got this ugly ball rolling actually comprehends the memo.


  26. Doc Rock says:

    Class and culture war–coming to a location near you. Stock up!


  27. Laszlo Panaflex says:

    Good for McCain. The first “honorable” thing he has done in weeks.

    Way too late, though. The genie is out of the bottle and he may find himself fighting with his disrespectful crowds a lot.


  28. bob hussein lablah says:

    The tail of a fox will show no matter how hard he tries to hide it.


  29. Marie says:

    McCain and Palin have opened a political Pandora’s box and the evils that have escaped cannot be easily contained.

    Couple this with the economic worry and frustration, McCain supporters easily transfer their angry realization that their guy is losing toward the guy that is beating him, and McCain/Palin do nothing to dissuade them of that.

    McCain’s lame efforts to tame down his rabid supporters are too little and too late. He was visibly uncomfortable in having to correct a couple of fans today, as well he should be; it was embarrassing and humiliating, but he brought it all upon himself. He deserves to lose. He is not worthy of the White House and Palin is simply unethical and unfit.


  30. spencers mom says:

    McCain has been the financier and vocal proponent of the rise of Osarah bin Palin. He’s given her a national stage, he’s argued that she receive respect, he’s given her a credibility that mustn’t be questioned, and he’s advertised to draw crowds to hear her speak.

    And speak she has. She has gained the blind devotion of a violent, extremist element right here in America – a rising AmericQaeda. She is dangerous, and you created her.

    Shame on you, McCain. You reap what you sow. And may God damn you if anything happens in the next eight years.

    PEACE


  31. j swift says:

    The fool has dug his hole too deep and now his having to spit out the dirt.


  32. Londongal says:

    I think it’s too late, I really do. These people at McCain and Palin’s rallies who shouted names about Obama and who actually believe he’s a Muslim terrorist extremist out to sabotage America through the White House actually believe their own bullcrap. Unfortunately, I fear that someone is going to become unhinged and attempt to act on that fear.

    It’s a trite statement, but the genie really has been let out of the bottle.

    One good thing is that Palin can no longer use her line of attack against Obama where she questions his truthfulness, since she has proven to be a bloody liar by the Troopergate report. She has NO credibility left.

    God help us!


  33. Jeremy in Denver says:

    To bob hussein lablah:

    *lets his own inner Kitsune out*

    Don’t insult us Fox Spirits by claiming that McCain’s one of us. He’s not attractive enough for one, and if he can’t charm his followers, who CAN he charm?!

    *stuffs that Kitsune back down*

    :-D


  34. pete says:

    A nasty combination of “Christian love”, “GOP compassion”, and “Minnesota nice”. Mix them together and add an old hothead and you end up with some very dangerous people.


  35. hanshiro says:

    32. 5th Estate Says: Caveat emptor.

    Exactly. For McCain, it’s the typical abuser’s bouquet after the black eye. It’ll happen again…


  36. EugeneDebs says:

    Xisithrus Says:

    I want to commend McCain for what he has done here.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    I agree, there is the fact this is the whirlwind he is reaping from sowing the winds during his campaign. I mean what did they THINK was going to happen when he started telling the redmeat rednecks that Obama palls around with terrorists? Still he DID the right thing here and showed some class he SHOULD be commended


  37. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    Hmm, McCain will take the low road, and Palin will take the lower road… See you goofy GOPPER losers on Novmember 5th. Have a good twenty-five days till then…


  38. barfly says:

    This is McCain’s acknowledgement that he’s losing in the polls, and the base is now irrelevant to victory.

    Theatrics aside, everyone knows they will vote for him, no matter how they act now. They know the election is too important to waste votes on third-party candidates

    He’s made the political calculation that the undecideds are the most important voting bloc, and this pander to centrism is more to thwart Palin than to overcome Obama. Palin’s unabashed opportunism knows no bounds – and McCain’s gotten a recent taste of it.
    He knows this is his last shot at the presidency, and while throwing red meat to the weasels will help fundraising efforts, if he lets Palin go too far, it will help her, but hurt him.

    She also knows this is just a prelude to 2012, and her rhetoric shows it.


  39. Game of Life says:

    The Times article is right on target.

    I don’t believe a word mcchimpy has to say. Just as I predicted he’s trying to play the nice grandpappy role now, this is all he has left. his numbers are sinking, he has been called out on his lies and his positions.

    he has summons up the demons. he has to deal with it.

    Then again, could these outspoken people be a plants?
    All of a sudden people are talking out during his nothing speeches.
    Then all of sudden he gets questions asking about Sen Obama.

    No questions about the economy. Racist idiots.

    Either way, he’s dangerous and a fraud. mcchimpy is still broadcasting lies about Sen. Obama.

    This is getting to be beyond sorry, reckless and ignorance.


  40. SKdeA says:

    Could they be plants?
    Um, is there any doubt?


  41. Game of Life says:

    What McCain glosses over is that accepting early release would have required him to make disloyal statements that would have violated the military’s Code of Conduct. If he had done so, he could have risked court-martial and an ignominious end to his military career. “Many of us were given this offer,” according to Butler, McCain’s classmate who was also taken prisoner. “It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to ‘admit’ that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was ‘lenient and humane.’ So I, like numerous others, refused the offer.”

    I read and heard mcchimpy admitted to selling out.


  42. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    For decades, the Republican Party has crafted their message to appeal to racists and bigots. What they are not realizing is that racists and bigots are unlikely to vote for a candidate (Democratic) who supports the kind of people they (racists and bigots) tend to hate. The Republicans don’t need to try hard to get the racist/bigot vote. But they need numbers on Election Day, and so they’ll try to get any stupid moron they can find to vote for them.


  43. kevinbrown says:

    I am amazed how so many people are taking these audience “exchanges” at face value. Yesterday the McCain campaign tried to portray their candidate as a “DECENT MAN” Someone who does not condone scurrilous attacks on his opponents. So they lined up some audience PLANTS (operatives) to utter outrageous claims (“he’s an ARAB”) just so that John McCain could respond that he is “a decent man”. It would not surprise me if the people booing in response to the “honourable” John McCain were also PLANTS. As a result today many in the media are actually giving John McCain credit for trying to tamp down the very fire that HE ignited !!!


  44. wiley says:

    Whatever it is, kevingbrown, it’s being engineered by somebody. I have NO IDEA who is running McCain’s campaign.

    Sometimes I get the suspicion that Karl Rove wants to bury him— perhaps just by letting the evangelical lobby eat him alive and destroy his politically.

    The chips are historically down. Let a Democrat clean up the mess, right? The Neo-Con GOP fixtures are mostly slithering back into the private sector now, and the think tanks where they can collectively dream up a social engineering scheme so clever that they can TAKE OVER THE WORLD. You know, that Pinky and the Brain, Team B, neo-con comic book shit they’ve spent trillions of dollars on.

    Read that Bush bought a lot of land in Paraguay. Gee, wonder what kind of business he wants to set up on his off-the grid hacienda with an aquifer.

    Halliburton is moving to Dubai. That place is on a mad building spree, but somehow I suspect that Halliburton won’t be getting any building contracts there that aren’t related to oil. Or they’ll just have an office and a mailbox and a lot of our loot.

    I hope there isn’t a country in the world that wouldn’t sell all them _____________ (insert your favorite description here) to a world criminal court for 2 million a pop.

    Many would do it just for the warm fuzzy feeling.



  45. Bostonian Queer in Dallas says:

    Joseph Stalin said, “It does not matter WHO votes, it matters who COUNTS de votes.”

    November 4th: The day the GOP stole their third election.


  46. Perry logan says:

    The Right are degenerates. They prove it every day.


  47. Con10tious says:

    Senator Obama should be booed, it was not deregulation that caused the economic morass we are in, it was ferocious and persistent implementation and protection of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by you and Representatives Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Lacy Clay and Senators Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schummer and Chuck Hagel that enabled Acorn and others like them to give billions in “affordable” mortgages under the Community Reinvestment Act to people who could not afford them. Clearly your policies are not good for America. Everyone needs to view this video on Burning Down the House.


  48. upnorth says:

    I would be utterly horrified and embarrassed if these were the type of people supporting my political campaign. I would quit if this is what my political vision attracted.

    These videos I have been seeing look like demostrations against foreign leaders, like Robert Mugabe, in failed states, rather than an American election.

    Civilized people my a#$!


  49. Con10tious says:

    Can anyone here point to one instance of deregulation the Congress passed that reigned in Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac? NO because it just did not happen the way Nobama says! The truth is McCain tried in 2005 but Nobama and the rest of the Dimwitocrats killed “The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act.”

    Come on, you may not agree with my views, but you got to admit that Nobama’s philosophies are what got us into this economic mess!

    Nobama – Bad for the economy, Bad for America!


  50. Fritz says:

    I saw a report last night about a journalist following the McCain campaign around – the journalist said that most of the “people” going to McCain’s/Palin’s rallies are racist whackos.

    McCain, and especially Palin, have become the poster-children for ignorant rednecks.


  51. tokin librul says:

    The rabid Stooopits among the McC(umst)ain coterie will hear his disavowals as ‘bows’ to PC, and ignore his pleas for more moderation, sensing that he doesn’t mean it and he WANTS and encourages this kind of avidity and fear…

    Bombin’ Johnnie’s a stone-cold baby-killer. He never blinked, never flinched, while dropping incendiary ordnance and HE on people who to this day he still calls “gooks.” Fukk him…


  52. Badger says:

    There are $63 Trillion in outstanding liability for “Credit Default Swaps”. That’s what is spooking the markets.

    Thanks to Phil Gramm, as chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, these Swaps are:

    Unregulated , Highly Leveraged, and they can be sold to customers that don’t even own the Mortgage Backed Securities.

    It is Insurance with No insurance regulation, and no Assets to back them up.

    Blaming the Victims of Predatory Lenders for the meltdown is like blaming the Racehorse ,because someone lost lots of money gambling on a horse race.


  53. tokin librul says:

    The most obvious thing about the Sarah-cooter is that she’s so obviously a small time parvenu trying to prove she can play in the ‘big time.’ It would be sad, if it weren’t so farouking dangerous, since she’s so patently incompetent to do ANYTHING except foment trouble and polarize the country even further.


  54. Fred says:

    Con10tious Says:

    Wah, the republicans have been in total control of the presidency and both houses of congress, not to mention the supreme court for 6 years and somehow, some way, the democrats screwed this up in the last 18 months without a veto proof majority…..makes sense if you’re a cornered rat.


  55. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

    I watched that bit on the news with my youngest child in the room and she said “I get it now, it’s like the smart people versus the stupid people.” I had to laugh but I couldn’t correct her. How sad.


  56. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    Con10tious Says:

    Senator Obama should be booed, it was not deregulation that caused the economic morass we are in, it was ferocious and persistent implementation and protection of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by you and Representatives Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Lacy Clay and Senators Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schummer and Chuck Hagel that enabled Acorn and others like them to give billions in “affordable” mortgages under the Community Reinvestment Act to people who could not afford them. Clearly your policies are not good for America. Everyone needs to view this video on Burning Down the House.

    Polly want a cracker?


  57. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

    ClusterTim Says:

    May God help us all if this idiot McBush actually wins next month. I am moving to Brazil if he does. Get out while the getting is good!

    Better check that Chimpy hasn’t bought land there, because I heard he’s buying land in Paraguay or something like that. Looks like the rats are deserting the ship so don’t get bitten.


  58. Fred says:

    ClusterTim Says:
    flagged for repeated spamming


  59. dae says:

    I can just imagine how that woman’s thought patterns congealed: OMG his name sounds like Osama. Osama, Obama, Osama, Obama. My nephew said he’s a Muslim and Sarah says he’s a terrorist. OMG Osama the Muslim terrorist is running for President. What are we to do? I’m sacred. I’m really scared!!!!!!


  60. STL Cynic says:

    I’m not as old as McCain but I enjoy American history as does he. After Eisenhower’s presidency, many republicans thought they had a long-term majority that would set right those things they perceived to be wrong about the Roosevelt/Truman era. When JFK won in 1960, they reacted very much the same as republicans are acting now.

    John McCain has to know this. Sarah Palin is not smart enough to know this. Sarah Palin thinks that adoration from the republican crowds validates her incendiary speeches. Like Nixon, she uses coded phrases to appeal to the cloistered republican faithful. Unlike Nixon, she doesn’t know she’s using coded language. She’s a pawn–a willing idiot paraded around the country for the drooling redneck base who hopes to catch an upskirt glimpse of the former Miss Alaska runner-up.

    McCain knows from experience that this is how people get presidents and presidential candidates assassinated. His comments in Minnesota are nothing more than CYA so that, if an attempt is made on Obama’s life, McCain can say, “Oh, I’m not responsible–I said he was a decent family man.”

    Republicans benefited from the assassination of JFK and RFK. They assassinated the character of Bill Clinton. No matter what McCain says now, he set this hatred in motion. If anything happens, the blood stays on his hands. As Americans we should be very, very pissed.


  61. christopher wiwi says:

    To little to late from Mcwars and co.Palin brought all of this up and he hasn`t stopped her, so what`s the point now?The G.O.P. is whipped up into a froth and now he say`s to respect Obama, this coming from a man who calls Obama “that one”, meaning what Senator?


  62. raynman says:

    I have the feeling that this has little to do with trying to win the election. The writing is on the wall and has been for a while.

    I’m hoping this is about McCain realizing that if he keeps up this divisive strategy, no matter who wins, the new President will be spending more time rebuilding bridges then doing that a President MUST be doing in the current crisis climate.

    Please, let this be the last glimmers of the man who I once respected (but wouldn’t have voted for anyway) finally actually putting his country first.


  63. pete says:

    Oh well. I suppose we should appreciate the courage it takes for trolls to even try anymore. They’ve been few and far between lately. I don’t know if the checks stopped clearing or Flippy McSpin’s little McWebsite isn’t attracting new people to the McContest.

    I guess we can’t blame them for being dispirited about the Worst Ticket Ever but, one would think the one’s left are the real bilge-dwellers. And so we have seen.

    Here’s the deal stupid troll. The collapse of the worlds economy is the result of decades of financial rape. While there is plenty of blame to go around, and many of the guilty are long since dead, there are two salient political realities one must consider.

    1. The Republicans have controlled the White House for 20 of the last 28 years.
    2. They controlled one or both legislative branches during 22 of those same 28 years.

    Despite all their incessant whining, they are the ones who have shaped, and “enforced”, the policies which allowed the catastrophe to happen and they will own it as surely as their forebears carry the blame for the Great Depression. And if you try to lay all the blame on Freddy/Fannie you are being hopelessly simple.

    First of all, the collapse started YEARS before the foreclosures started.

    Second, Freddy/Franny were already bailed out so that other banks weren’t hurt when they couldn’t make their payments. All the losses since then have been in other areas.

    Third, most of the “bad loans” are not delinquent. Most are all paid up but held by banks that have tanked and/or were assigned an unrealistic value.

    No. You just can’t get away with blaming the worldwide economic catastrophe on people who are a few grand behind on their payments. The problem is that the world’s economy is based on volatile commodities and all the bubbles are bursting at the same time.

    If you want to assign an unreasonable amount of blame to one cause, one could make the strongest argument for the drop in worldwide oil demand and price since July. All the “geniuses” were operating under the belief that supply and price would keep going up so they kept pumping their money into futures.

    So? Now we have investment banks which have not only been buying credit (One of the stupidest scams known to man) but they are on the hook for oil futures that were locked in at $140.00 a barrel.

    Heck! When one looks at the trends for the entire Bushco reign one will see the the overall economic numbers were “pushed” by oil and property values. If one adds oil and housing to the “core inflation” indicators? Inflation was running around 12% the first four years and it’s around 16% up until the last few months.

    So, there it is. A worldwide collapse in a nutshell. And it’s not the sole fault of people who are a few months behind on their mortgage. It’s the fault of those who trade billions a day assigning artificial value to volatile commodities. They were bad parasites and killed the host.


  64. MrSquirrel says:

    “No, ma’am,” McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. “He’s a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

    At another point, McCain declared, “If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” Supporters booed then also. “I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity,” McCain responded. “I just mean to say you have to be respectful.”

    “I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity”? What the heck did he mean by that?


  65. blogoffanddie says:

    John McCain and Sarah Palin have locked up a very huge and powerful voting block known as “America’s dumbest people.”

    http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

    the Democratic Party is a lot like a box of chocolates; you’re never sure where the nuts are – whereas the Republican Party is a lot like a chocolate fudge sundae, they tend to put the biggest nuts on top.


  66. ObamaIsOur44thpres says:

    McCain’s so-called new awakening is pathetic. Remember it was he and Palin who planted their evil seeds in the first place, and the only reason they are toning it down – if you choose to believe it – is because it’s not working for them. Voters are rejecting their stupidity because they fail to understand that it’s all about the economy !

    McCain-Palin’s campaign is in the toilet. The question now is how will they exit and be remembered – as someone who tried to focus on the economic wows with real solutions, or as someone who spent all of their time in negativity and divisions. I wonder which one will they choose.

    I truly hope everyone will turn the page on this old dirty stale politics, and choose a better path. It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !

    Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

    Obama-Biden in 08 and 2012 !


  67. Game of Life says:

    Con10tious Says:

    Can anyone here point to one instance of deregulation the Congress passed that reigned in Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac? NO because it just did not happen the way Nobama says! The truth is McCain tried in 2005 but Nobama and the rest of the Dimwitocrats killed “The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act.”

    Come on, you may not agree with my views, but you got to admit that Nobama’s philosophies are what got us into this economic mess!

    Nobama – Bad for the economy, Bad for America!

    Stop being an idiot. your stupidass prez signed off on it, if what you say is true.
    Sen. Obama isn’t heartless like your maverick.


  68. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Con10tious Says:

    The truth is McCain tried in 2005 but Nobama and the rest of the Dimwitocrats killed “The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act.”
    _____________

    This statement is simply idiotic and dishonest. We went thru all of this the other night, dumb-dumb.

    The bill you’re referring to, the ‘Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005′ was sponsored by Chuck Hagel, and only co-sponsored by McPain.

    It also died in the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. the GOOP had an 11-9 majority in the committee at the time. If the GOOP so had chosen, there was no way the Dems could have stopped this bill from getting out of committee and going to the Senate for a vote.

    Sheesh… there are things called ‘facts’. You might want to familiarize yourself w/ the concept.


  69. EugeneDebs says:

    Con10tious Says:

    You are a moron it was DEFINITLY deregulation and ending Glass Steagal that caused this crisis. Your brainwashed idiocy notwithstanding. You better stop guzzling the koolaid moron, its not good for braincells and you lose one more of those you are a talking monkey. Thanks for the re-run of the Rush ‘the Oxymoron” Limborg show


  70. EugeneDebs says:

    Con10tious

    Read it and weep you ignorat brainwashed cretin

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022?f=h_latest

    In 2005, Frank, then the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, worked with committee chairman Rep. Michael Oxley (R-OH) on the Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005, which would have established the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) to replace the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) as overseer of the activities of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. After voting for the bill in committee, Frank voted against final passage of the bill on the House floor, stating that he was doing so because an amendment to the bill on the House floor imposed restrictions on the kinds of nonprofit organizations that could receive funding under the bill.

    In early 2007, as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Frank sponsored H.R. 1427, a bill to create the FHFA, granting that agency “general supervisory and regulatory authority over” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and directing it to reform the companies’ business practices and regulate their exposure to credit and market risk. Among other things, Frank’s legislation, titled the “Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2007,” directed the FHFA director to “ensure” that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “operate[] in a safe and sound manner, including maintenance of adequate capital and internal controls” and to establish standards for “management of credit and counterparty risk” and “management of market risk.” The FHFA was eventually created after Congress incorporated provisions that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said were “similar” to those of H.R. 1427 into the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, which the president signed into law on July 30.

    On September 30, 1991, Frank voted for a bill to create a new regulatory agency to oversee Fannie and Freddie that would have “[r]equire[d] the [agency’s] Director to establish by regulation a risk-based capital test for the enterprises,” “[r]equire[d] the Director to establish risk-based capital levels for each enterprise according to statutory guidelines,” “[e]stablishe[d] minimum capital levels, critical capital levels, and enforcement levels,” and “[s]et[] forth mandatory supervisory actions for the enterprises at various capital levels, including mandatory conservatorship.”

    In October 1992, Frank voted for the Housing and Community Development Act of 1992, creating OFHEO, which was tasked with “ensur[ing] that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (the enterprises) and their affiliates are adequately capitalized and operating safely.” As with the bill Frank voted for in September 1991, the new law gave OFHEO authority to set, monitor, and enforce risk-based capital requirements for Fannie and Freddie.


  71. wiley says:

    Being new here, I thought this was just a troll-light environment. So there is a general troll decline? Izz nize.

    Nice being with such intelligent and well-informed people. Good reading—often hysterically funny, and great links. I haven’t felt this good about our prospects as a people for years.

    McPalin losing will be so sweet. This isn’t just a dream is it? It sure feels real. A huge national shift away from belligerence and fear-mongering.

    Sigh.

    Can’t wait til Bush and the rest of the henchmen are gone. What a burden they have been on the world. The last eight years have been soooooooooo long and arduous for the spirit. May this dark age be passing. SMIB.



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