Comments on: U.S. takes North Korea off terror list. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:28:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279980 Gregor Samsa Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:55:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279980 Ah, so who is the terrorist-appeasing, white-flag-of-surrender-waving, cheese-eating, war-on-terror-losing, surrender monkey now? Bush bootlickers out there (I know you are lurking), do you care to give us your perspective? On second thought, never mind -I don't really have use for what any of you mouthbreathers think. Ah, so who is the terrorist-appeasing, white-flag-of-surrender-waving, cheese-eating, war-on-terror-losing, surrender monkey now?

Bush bootlickers out there (I know you are lurking), do you care to give us your perspective?

On second thought, never mind -I don’t really have use for what any of you mouthbreathers think.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279696 wiley Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:54:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279696 Saddam Hussein wasn't a threat to anyone outside his nation either. Sorry. Just not gonna buy this <em>us against the cold, cruel, violent extremist world</em> meme. Saddam Hussein wasn’t a threat to anyone outside his nation either.

Sorry. Just not gonna buy this us against the cold, cruel, violent extremist world meme.

]]> By: fletc3her http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279626 fletc3her Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:13:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279626 What I find disturbing about the terrorism watch list is that countries appear to be put on it for political reasons which have nothing to do with whether they support terrorism or not. For example, North Korea appears to be on the list because they would not allow UN inspectors to see their nuclear facilities. They are on the list for a reason unrelated to their support (or lack of support) for terrorism and they are removed from the list for a reason similarly unrelated. What I find disturbing about the terrorism watch list is that countries appear to be put on it for political reasons which have nothing to do with whether they support terrorism or not. For example, North Korea appears to be on the list because they would not allow UN inspectors to see their nuclear facilities. They are on the list for a reason unrelated to their support (or lack of support) for terrorism and they are removed from the list for a reason similarly unrelated.

]]> By: pbg http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279608 pbg Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:00:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279608 Wiley, anything you say about Kim Jong Il could also be said about Saddam hussein. And 10,000+ nuclear arms are not a defensse against anything--especially since nuclear retaliation against North Korea would destroy South Korea. Just to be clear, I think that negotiation is in fact the proper way to deal with a rogue state like North Korea, along with regional alliance building and all that other stuff. It's just that the Bush Administration, the Republican Party, John McCain and Sarah Palin, and the Mighty Wurlitzer all act as if none of this is going on, that negotiating with terrorists is evidence of treason an and horrifying defeatism, and on and on. But their big toughness edifice is just a stage set with only one wall. Al the stuff they vilify Bsrack Obama for even suggesting, they're doing with North Korea. I don't want them to become more consistent by invading or bombing North Korea, and I realize that that could be the way my post was taken. But we've had seven years of them posturing and bellowing (and killing) and nobody has pointed out that they're doing exactly what they decry in others, and nobody on the right even seems to notice, let alone be bothered by it. Wiley, anything you say about Kim Jong Il could also be said about Saddam hussein.
And 10,000+ nuclear arms are not a defensse against anything–especially since nuclear retaliation against North Korea would destroy South Korea.

Just to be clear, I think that negotiation is in fact the proper way to deal with a rogue state like North Korea, along with regional alliance building and all that other stuff.

It’s just that the Bush Administration, the Republican Party, John McCain and Sarah Palin, and the Mighty Wurlitzer all act as if none of this is going on, that negotiating with terrorists is evidence of treason an and horrifying defeatism, and on and on. But their big toughness edifice is just a stage set with only one wall. Al the stuff they vilify Bsrack Obama for even suggesting, they’re doing with North Korea.

I don’t want them to become more consistent by invading or bombing North Korea, and I realize that that could be the way my post was taken. But we’ve had seven years of them posturing and bellowing (and killing) and nobody has pointed out that they’re doing exactly what they decry in others, and nobody on the right even seems to notice, let alone be bothered by it.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279532 wiley Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:00:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279532 pbg, North Korea's nuclear arsenal (and I'm using the term "nuclear arsenal" very loosely here) is not a threat against our 10,000+ strategic nuclear warheads, long-range missiles with MIRVs, etc. North Korea could be forever destroyed by our tactical nukes. But that isn't necessary. I don't think it is ever necessary to use a nuclear weapon. North Korea is poor. Negotiating with food and a little fuel will suffice. When you label someone EVIL, what kind of reaction do you expect? Negotiations with Korea had gone just fine, until Bush stepped in and opened his big, fat, shit-talking yap. And 1983 was a long time ago. Wasn't the U.S. running death squads in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala then? What mystifies me is how America manages to have so many catastrophically, life-threatening ENEMIES. I hope we live beyond this age of Paranoid Politics qua the neo-con imagination qua broken record. pbg, North Korea’s nuclear arsenal (and I’m using the term “nuclear arsenal” very loosely here) is not a threat against our 10,000+ strategic nuclear warheads, long-range missiles with MIRVs, etc. North Korea could be forever destroyed by our tactical nukes. But that isn’t necessary. I don’t think it is ever necessary to use a nuclear weapon.

North Korea is poor. Negotiating with food and a little fuel will suffice. When you label someone EVIL, what kind of reaction do you expect? Negotiations with Korea had gone just fine, until Bush stepped in and opened his big, fat, shit-talking yap.

And 1983 was a long time ago. Wasn’t the U.S. running death squads in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala then?

What mystifies me is how America manages to have so many catastrophically, life-threatening ENEMIES. I hope we live beyond this age of Paranoid Politics qua the neo-con imagination qua broken record.

]]> By: pbg http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279480 pbg Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:34:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279480 North Korea does have a long and ugly tradition of terrorism: one of the biggest was the bombng of the Martyr's Mausoleum in Yangôn--otherwise known as Rangoon, in Burma/Myanmar, as an attempt to kill South Korean president Chun Doo Hwan in 1983. But it's incredible: Saddam Hussein had a crippled military, no air force, no nuclear capability--HIM we had to rise up and destroy. But North Korea, who actually had missiles that could reach US soil and actual bomnbs--Well, him we sit down at a multination peace conference with and bribe and sweet talk him, and now take this brutal dictator off the terrorism list so he'll pretty please be nice? How on EARTH does this square with our policy towards Iraq, the Bush doctrine, or anything else? Bush and his legion of warbloggers say stand up to terrorism! destroy them! Ya gotta be tough! Stand up to the enemies of Freedom! Democrats are wusses if they even offer to talk with terrorists! Never! When you pry it from my stiff, cold fingers! But none of that seems to apply to North Korea. How insane is this? Every single one of their hairy-chested WWWF-based principles for the Global War on Terror is completely ignored, and they deal with this member of the Axis of Evil as if the State Department were being run by Warren Christopher on ambien, and it doesn't even bother these yahoos. Was the Bush Administration hoping no one would notice? Back when they had a deathgrip on the MSM, yes, it actually seemed to work. But now? Hey, wingnuts, here's the syllogism: If the Bush Administration's treatment of Saddam Hussein was a good and proper use of American power, then their treatment of Kim Jong Il is weak, humiliating, and treasonous. If the Bush Administration's treatment of Kim Jong Il was good and roper policy, then their treatmen of Saddam Hussein is vicious, lunatic, and hysterically counterproductive. Why is there this movement-wide blind spot on North Korea on the Right? Did Sun Myung Moon put secret hypnotic fairy dust on copies of the Washington Times? Do they think Team America World Police have taken care of it? It really mystifies me. North Korea does have a long and ugly tradition of terrorism: one of the biggest was the bombng of the Martyr’s Mausoleum in Yangôn–otherwise known as Rangoon, in Burma/Myanmar, as an attempt to kill South Korean president Chun Doo Hwan in 1983.
But it’s incredible: Saddam Hussein had a crippled military, no air force, no nuclear capability–HIM we had to rise up and destroy. But North Korea, who actually had missiles that could reach US soil and actual bomnbs–Well, him we sit down at a multination peace conference with and bribe and sweet talk him, and now take this brutal dictator off the terrorism list so he’ll pretty please be nice?

How on EARTH does this square with our policy towards Iraq, the Bush doctrine, or anything else? Bush and his legion of warbloggers say stand up to terrorism! destroy them! Ya gotta be tough! Stand up to the enemies of Freedom! Democrats are wusses if they even offer to talk with terrorists! Never! When you pry it from my stiff, cold fingers!

But none of that seems to apply to North Korea.

How insane is this? Every single one of their hairy-chested WWWF-based principles for the Global War on Terror is completely ignored, and they deal with this member of the Axis of Evil as if the State Department were being run by Warren Christopher on ambien, and it doesn’t even bother these yahoos.

Was the Bush Administration hoping no one would notice?

Back when they had a deathgrip on the MSM, yes, it actually seemed to work. But now?

Hey, wingnuts, here’s the syllogism:
If the Bush Administration’s treatment of Saddam Hussein was a good and proper use of American power, then their treatment of Kim Jong Il is weak, humiliating, and treasonous.
If the Bush Administration’s treatment of Kim Jong Il was good and roper policy, then their treatmen of Saddam Hussein is vicious, lunatic, and hysterically counterproductive.

Why is there this movement-wide blind spot on North Korea on the Right? Did Sun Myung Moon put secret hypnotic fairy dust on copies of the Washington Times? Do they think Team America World Police have taken care of it?

It really mystifies me.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279474 wiley Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:30:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279474 North Korea had already complied with everything the administration said they needed to do to get off the terror list and Washington reneged. The idea that "The Axis of Evil" is a discrete entity would be laughable if our nuclear posture weren't so TRULY EVIL. IMO, Bush is just using Korea as a PR yo-yo to keep the fear factor up. If the sky isn't falling, they're doing something wrong. North Korea had already complied with everything the administration said they needed to do to get off the terror list and Washington reneged.

The idea that “The Axis of Evil” is a discrete entity would be laughable if our nuclear posture weren’t so TRULY EVIL.

IMO, Bush is just using Korea as a PR yo-yo to keep the fear factor up. If the sky isn’t falling, they’re doing something wrong.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279440 katy Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:07:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279440 damn, dr. matt... no surprise though... who's gonna, and HOW, make the idjits understand the facts? i really don't undertand what it takes to attain such a mind set... very worrisome... damn, dr. matt… no surprise though…

who’s gonna, and HOW, make the idjits understand the facts?

i really don’t undertand what it takes to attain such a mind set…

very worrisome…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279436 katy Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:02:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279436 <em>"... So that tells you a lot about how nervous the administration is about this deal."</em> so, what is up? and, what about ol' kim? has his existance been established lately? sumpins up. “… So that tells you a lot about how nervous the administration is about this deal.”

so, what is up?

and, what about ol’ kim? has his existance been established lately?

sumpins up.

]]> By: onoclea http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279274 onoclea Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:52:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279274 I've read there's no practical effect as well lurker. Yet NK apparently thinks it's important. Who knows. I’ve read there’s no practical effect as well lurker. Yet NK apparently thinks it’s important. Who knows.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279238 Doc Rock Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:24:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279238 If they hadn't been so hard-arsed in the first place about this, progress might have been much farther along! If they hadn’t been so hard-arsed in the first place about this, progress might have been much farther along!

]]> By: lurker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279214 lurker Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:14:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279214 Hello onoclea, but didn't he anounce back in June? "Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions" Defense Secretary Robert Gates chimed in. "The reality is that there are so many other sanctions on North Korea because of its other behaviors that there's really no <strong>practical effect of taking them off the terrorist list,"</strong> Gates said. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/26/america/US-NKorea-Optional.php Hello onoclea, but didn’t he anounce back in June?
“Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions”
Defense Secretary Robert Gates chimed in. “The reality is that there are so many other sanctions on North Korea because of its other behaviors that there’s really no practical effect of taking them off the terrorist list,” Gates said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/26/america/US-NKorea-Optional.php

]]> By: onoclea http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279208 onoclea Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:05:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279208 Hi lurker. The Bush admn got a deal with NK earlier this year and agreed to take NK off terrorist list for shutting down their reactor. They shut down the reactor but we didn't take them off the list, they got pissed and decided to restart. Now we take them off list and they don't restart. Hi lurker. The Bush admn got a deal with NK earlier this year and agreed to take NK off terrorist list for shutting down their reactor. They shut down the reactor but we didn’t take them off the list, they got pissed and decided to restart. Now we take them off list and they don’t restart.

]]> By: Witch1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279198 Witch1 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:00:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279198 Uh, did I miss something.?....Oh I get it, our major FU is about to leave office...Maybe before assclown leave's he plan's to exchange nuclear(sp) weapon's with N.K......Do they have Mango's or bananas.?....Damn, I will be so glad to get "That one"..In office...Go cheney yourself mccrazy...Blessings Uh, did I miss something.?….Oh I get it, our major FU is about to leave office…Maybe before assclown leave’s he plan’s to exchange nuclear(sp) weapon’s with N.K……Do they have Mango’s or bananas.?….Damn, I will be so glad to get “That one”..In office…Go cheney yourself mccrazy…Blessings

]]> By: lurker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279190 lurker Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:52:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279190 Well I guess it was a few wees ago: "North Korea expels UN nuclear inspectors" http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/09/24/nkorea-nuclear.html WTF? Well I guess it was a few wees ago:
“North Korea expels UN nuclear inspectors”
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/09/24/nkorea-nuclear.html
WTF?

]]> By: lurker http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279180 lurker Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:46:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279180 I thought I saw a news report last week that NK was starting up the program again? I thought I saw a news report last week that NK was starting
up the program again?

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279166 tarazan Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:43:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279166 Dr. Hussein Matt says: " How exactly has NK been involved in terrorism" ------------------------------ North Korean President Kim Jong is known to love movies sepcially Western movies. He was also involved in movies productions. May be he tried to make a scary Halloween movie: 'Nights of Axis of Evil'... Dr. Hussein Matt says:
” How exactly has NK been involved in terrorism”
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North Korean President Kim Jong is known to love movies sepcially Western movies.
He was also involved in movies productions.

May be he tried to make a scary Halloween movie:
‘Nights of Axis of Evil’…

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279130 barfly Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:25:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279130 Dr. Hussein Matt Says: <em>How exactly has NK been involved in terrorism? I’ll wait for an answer….</em> Kim's haircut is pretty scary-looking - does that count? Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

How exactly has NK been involved in terrorism?

I’ll wait for an answer….

Kim’s haircut is pretty scary-looking – does that count?

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279128 tarazan Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:25:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279128 N.Korea probably is no longer useful to Bush. He has less than three months left in his presidency. Whether N.Korea on the list or not...it makes no difference to Bush. N.Korea probably is no longer useful to Bush.
He has less than three months left in his presidency. Whether N.Korea on the list or not…it makes no difference to Bush.

]]> By: thomthum http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/comment-page-1/#comment-5279132 thomthum Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:25:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/11/north-korea-list/#comment-5279132 next thing you know Sarah Mascara will be out suggesting that Obama should replace No Korea. This whole "Axis of Evil" branding has always made me laugh. Sounds like a superhero cartoon from the 1970's or a pro wrestling tag team or something. SOMEONE CALL AQUAMAN! next thing you know Sarah Mascara will be out suggesting that Obama should replace No Korea.

This whole “Axis of Evil” branding has always made me laugh. Sounds like a superhero cartoon from the 1970’s or a pro wrestling tag team or something. SOMEONE CALL AQUAMAN!

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