Palin Sees America As Wealthy And White: New Hampshire And Alaska Are ‘Microcosms’ Of The Country
Palin Sees America As Wealthy And White: New Hampshire And Alaska Are ‘Microcosms’ Of The Country
Speaking at a rally today in Dover, NH, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) praised the area’s beauty and natural resources. She also claimed New Hampshire is “kind of this microcosm here in the state of the rest of the entire U.S.” In the past, she has said her home state of Alaska “is like a microcosm of America.” Watch it:
Apparently, Palin thinks the entire United States is wealthy and white. Census information for Alaska and New Hampshire show that their populations are hardly representative of the rest of the country:
| United States | New Hampshire | Alaska | |
| Median Income (’04) | $44,334 | $53,377 | $52,141 |
| Poverty Rate (’04) | 12.7% | 6.6% | 10% |
| Non-Hispanic Whites (’06) | 66.4% | 93.8% | 66.4% |
| Blacks (’06) | 12.8% | 1.1% | 3.7% |
| Hispanic/Latino Origin (’06) | 14.8% | 2.3% | 5.6% |
It’s no surprise that Palin boasts a particularly poor record on diversity. She snubbed Alaska’s small African-American community — becoming the first governor to refuse to recognize the annual Juneteenth celebration — and named a white person to a game board post held by an Alaskan Native for more than 25 years.
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New Hampshire is a microcosm of the US: Obama leads by 10 points.
October 15th, 2008 at 1:57 pmI thought we were all Georgians now.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:00 pmSomeone forgot to flip her “word of the day” calendar…
October 15th, 2008 at 2:01 pmMaybe she was talking about the leaves. They are all different colors in New Hampshire this time of year. Yeah, that’s it.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:02 pmWhat does somebody from Alaska know about middle America.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWhat’s hysterical is Todd supposedly being part Native-American, yet she can’t seem to understand what that means.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pm.
This is what happens when one pals around with racists…
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:06 pmShe should be asked to explain the microcosm statement. The response could be hilarious!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pmWas she wearing a white cone-shaped hood when she spoke?!!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pmWell, that’s mighty white of her.
snark
October 15th, 2008 at 2:08 pmHow much farming is there in Alaska? We don’t manufacture anything any more. We don’t have enough oil to export it and keep the country going. The reason this country became powerful was because we were always able to feed ourselves. It is the one thing we still can count on. But some halfwit from Alaska thinks she has all the oil the world needs and that she knows what we all want and need. Pathetic.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pmShayne Says:
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What does somebody from Alaska know about middle America.
After all she can’t see it from Alaska.
PS When is she going to dye her hair blond like all the rest
October 15th, 2008 at 2:11 pmof the wingnut women?
And if she were in Timbuktu she would tell the crowd that they were also a microcosm of something or other. It’s one of those big words she likes to use like verbage and nukeular.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pmEver wondered what a Palin presidency would be like?
http://www.palinaspresident.com/
mouse around the room
October 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pmIs she Pat Robertson with a lobotomy and dressed in drag?
October 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pmThe Rethugs are already talking about how she’ll be a force to reckon with in the future if McCain loses. I say BRING IT ON.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pmAnd we thought that Chimpy butchers the English language?
October 15th, 2008 at 2:27 pmI suspect “microcosm” is just the latest on Palin’s Word-a-Day calendar, and she likes the sound of it. It’s obvious she has no clue what it means.
I honestly don’t know which of our 50 states comes closest to being a true microcosm of the country, but I’m pretty sure neither Alaska nor New Hampshire is in the running (although both states have a lot of positives in many areas).
October 15th, 2008 at 2:28 pmThat’s really funny Shane. ya, we won’t be hearing much from her, ever again would be my guess…..see dan quayle.
Even the right has turned on her….publicly, just before the election…..ha.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:30 pmDidn’t you just post on another thread about us not posting anything of substance?
Now you’re here calling people names and really not saying much that is true or of any substance.
Alaska has about .01% of the agriculture of America and if you think there are lots of manufacturing jobs here just because you retired from one, well that just makes you ill informed.
The following statement by you is just too appalling to respond to. Like you know anything…..see last 8 years.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Beep WRONG. Alaska does not produce 25% of of the oil used in this country. There are 500 farms in the entire state of Alaska. And because YOU had a manufacturing doesn’t mean sh*t. But thanks for playing.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pmGOP bless her pointy little head–covered up by that crazy Amy Winehouse hairdo…
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October 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pmStyve Says
October 15th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
She should be asked to explain the microcosm statement. The response could be hilarious!
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Explanation: “When I talk about how New Hampshire is this microcosm, I mean that it’s all microcosmy, just like Alaska is microcosmy. Because we’re microcosmy in Alaska, I’m a microcosm expert.”
October 15th, 2008 at 2:41 pmOh by the way alcyone, Alaska has less farms than Rhode Island. ** snort ** Freakin’ Rhode Island.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:42 pmOh Al, and New Hampshire has 3,400 farms and I was wrong Alaska had a grand total of 640. Rhode Island 850.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:43 pmHer voice makes me want to drink numerous microcosmopolitans…
October 15th, 2008 at 2:45 pmAnd Alaska’s main source of manufacturing is fish processing. Which will be going down the tubes now that people are learning about all the toxins in Alaska’s fish. My grocery store has already reduced the price of Alaskan king almon from $26/lb to $14/lb.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pmAnd Alcyone must be our old friend Jim Wilke.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pmSarah exists to distract us from the next phase of globalization which is being implemented right now.
Wake Up Sheeple!
October 15th, 2008 at 2:46 pmOT, This clip is an audio/video crash course, simple with documents and graphs of the faulty stock market, what really happened and what they don’t want you to know. About an hour long but can view this chapter to chapter.
http://www.businessjive.com/, no ads.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:47 pmLove that Palin clip with her stupid babytalk about Alaska and the look on Courics face. Couric had just asked her three times what newspapers she reads. And the silly idiot governor refused to answer
October 15th, 2008 at 2:48 pmalcyone says?
Sarah is that you?
October 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pmFunny how the “drill baby drill” crap has died off with lower gas prices. Even though not one drop of oil has been added to the supply.
Wishing won’t make it so, lady.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pmalcyone seems to be another hit and run coward. Fits the republican mold perfectly.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pmoh give me a break. you want to make legit criticisms of Sarah Palin, there are many to be made. But to go after her statements to a New Hampshire crowd, calling them in effect “salt of the earth” Americans, this is just stupid.
It trivializes legitimate criticism that she deserves, especially at a time when she has been inciting racism and hatred in such a disgracefull manner. I love this blog, but this post is just picking for the sake of picking. Find a better example (of which there are many).
October 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Explanation: “When I talk about how New Hampshire also is this microcosm, I mean also that it’s all microcosmy, also just like Alaska also is microcosmy. Because we’re microcosmy in Alaska, I’m a microcosm expert also.”
Ifixed that for ya. Ha
October 15th, 2008 at 2:51 pmSince you ask, Alaska has over $50,000,000 worth of agricultural sales a year and produces 25% of all the oil in the US. We are still more than able to feed ourselves.
I’m not sure what oil has to do with agriculture, but your numbers are all wrong.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
alcyone Says:
Since you ask, Alaska…produces 25% of all the oil in the US.
Sarah Palin said Alaska produces 20% of all domestic energy in the U.S. So, at least you aren’t as wrong as she is. But, you are still wrong.
Energetically Wrong
September 12, 2008
Updated: September 17, 2008
Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.
Summary
Palin claims Alaska “produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” That’s not true.
Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that’s a far cry from all the “energy” produced in the U.S.
Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
And if by “supply” Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska’s production accounted for only 2.4 percent.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pmoops! Here is the link.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html
October 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI heard a rightie compare her to Harry Truman, that she could take on our nation in the same manner he did.
If things were not bad enough, being exposed to this sewer of corruption, bad economic times and the robbing of our treasury.. they have to put this woman out there? This is pouring salt on wounds we did not deserve.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:58 pmIt’s not stupid to continue to point out that she is not in contact with reality……
As someone pointed out, let her explain the microcosm statement if you want to see her in her full ignorant glory.
These people intend to take power in the spring if we don’t point out to people that they are incapable.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:00 pmMeet Sarah Palin’s radical right-wing pals
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/
October 15th, 2008 at 3:10 pmalcyone Says:
Since you ask, Alaska has over $50,000,000 worth of agricultural sales a year and produces 25% of all the oil in the US. We are still more than able to feed ourselves. Now, what do YOU know about agriculture?
October 15th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
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Where’d you get those factoids – the Alaska Independence Party welcome packet? Are you a United States-hating white supremacist secessionist like Sarah Palin?
My guess is yes. Yes, you are.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:14 pmWhy does Sarah Palin hate America?
October 15th, 2008 at 3:17 pmFred,
winning an election is not about making “the other side” feel that they are stupid and even if it were, this post is a poor example. Obviously the NH and AK population demographics are not well representative of the rest of the country. Who cares, she is entitled to say favorable things about them and who is to say that in her comments she is even making any reference to race. Perhaps she is talking only of their work ethic and world view and finding common ground with the nation. Whatever, this is such a stupid example when she has provided such a treasure trove of other real examples of why she is poor vice presidential candidate. Hey, don’t take it from me, ask George Will, or Matthew Dowd, or unnamed Bush insiders …
This post is just an example of preaching to the choir and to anyone not in the choir, it seems off base. But there have been better ones posted since, so … Hope the debate tonight is interesting. Hope they aren’t so constricted in the format again as to make it another snooze-fest. I also hope Obama will take some risks (not to put the cart before the horse), as both candidates are starting to look out of touch with reality about this economy. The world is changing quickly, and I think Obama’s honesty now will effect his ability to govern effectively if elected. Let’s start hearing some real responses to this recession we now face. Let’s hear a real answer to how economic issues will be prioritized … what we will be asked to sacrifice, how they plan to change things systemically that will help put our nation and the world back on track.
Enough with teasing Sarah Palin because she throws an applause line at the citizens of NH. What a waste of space.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:19 pmI’m with you, Fred.
The seemingly trivial ignorance and lying is as disturbing as “big” issues. For instance, the way that Bible Spice butchers the English language indicates that she is ALWAYS making things up as she goes along. Her confusion is a clear sign that her mind is trying, and failing, to keep ahead of her mouth.
One can see her scheming on the fly and see the relief on her face when she manages to steer a converstaion to “safe” territory. All of which leads an observer to conclude that telling the truth never occurs to this woman.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:22 pmjohnfyounger Says:
your post would also qualify as a waste of space. We don’t need a monitor.
Have you anything to say about the issues of the day, such as:
The Terrorist Barack Hussein Obama
If she is allowed to go unchallenged then she will continue to lie…simple.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pmjohnfyounger Says
October 15th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
oh give me a break. you want to make legit criticisms of Sarah Palin, there are many to be made. But to go after her statements to a New Hampshire crowd, calling them in effect “salt of the earth” Americans, this is just stupid.
It trivializes legitimate criticism that she deserves, especially at a time when she has been inciting racism and hatred in such a disgracefull manner. I love this blog, but this post is just picking for the sake of picking. Find a better example (of which there are many).
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You’re right — there are far more serious and scary things about Sarah Palin than her mangling of the English language. I admit I was just having fun with that, as I’m sure most of the other posters here were.
But we’ve done the same with Dubya for the past eight years — we’ve had fun with the tsunami of Bushisms AS WELL AS expressing legitimate cricism of more serious matters, such as his trashing of our country, our constitution, our economy, our respect in the world, etc. And we’ve always been able to distinguish between the two.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:30 pmI could call her a lot of names. And I am concerned how little the media has delved into issues such as:
-did she benefit from corruption in the construction of her lakefront Wasilla house
-What role does she see for her husband in her official duties as VP? And as a member of a secessionist political party, what are his views about the importance of defending and protecting the US Constitution?
-exploring her associations at her Wasilla church, a church that has welcomed some very controversial figures on the far right fringe
-exploring in more detail her double speak about earmarks and her relationship with Sen. Ted Stevens
I’m sure the list could go on and on … and I hope these things are examined … because in my opinion, God help us if Sarah Palin ever became President and I think this consideration should be an important factor to people when casting their vote. And I think they are certainly entitled to more direct answers about her background than those given to Rush Limbough or Sean Hannity. But let’s lay off the simple applause lines to hometown crowds. It just sounds stupid and offensive, in my opinion
October 15th, 2008 at 3:33 pmSarah Palin is Dan Quayle. She is obviously not ready to be president of the PTA let along the United States of America.
She is prepared to be Evita.
Do you like to see your words on the screen or are you really trying to say something?
October 15th, 2008 at 3:35 pmJohnny you surely don’t think that new hampshire and alaska are microcosms of the US. They are so different from the rest of the country in so many ways that have been pointed out above that it is ludicrous.
If she thinks that is true and says so publicly then she can and will be criticized for her stupidity. it’s why we have this forum.
This is not on the news….this is an opinion forum. We have opinions and we intend to share them with ya. You have your opinion and I personally don’t agree.
She is a compulsive liar and says what people want to hear whether it is true or not. Is that the kind of leader you want?
October 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pmIf Palin was truly looking for a “microcosm”, she should have gone to Missouri. While Missouri may not be a perfect demographic representative of the rest of the country (although I bet it comes closer than either Alaska or New Hampshire), it may be a better microcosm of American voters.
Missouri is currently on a longer “winning streak” than any other state. For the past 12 elections (1960 through 2004), they have voted for the winner — longer than any other state. You have to go all the way back to 1956 to find a year where they voted for the loser (they went for Adlai Stevenson that year, while Eisenhower won re-election).
Oh — and Obama’s leading in the polls there, so it’s looking like their streak will continue.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:37 pmI agree 100% about her grand ambitions and I would be hesitant to elect her city dog catcher. But I enjoy the blog and felt this post let me down. Perhaps I rante da bit too much as I now live in a “Red State,” and know that a lot of good people identify themselves as conservative and piling on for the sake of piling on doesn’t seem like a great focus these days.
enough from me. thanks for reading.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:40 pmYou are entitled to your opinion but I would warn you that we like to make fun of them and will continue. You might want to find a different place to express your opinion.
I find your pettyness and singlemindedness to be a little offensive too.
You don’t seem to see the big picture here. We do discuss the things you list and we have a sense of humor also that helps us get through the day.
We are not like the right who bottles it up and reacts violently when cornered.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:43 pmFred,
let’s not get personal. I have criticized the nature of the post, not the person of any of the commenters. I’d also ask that you reexamine “Love it or leave it” response to me. I would bet we agree on many issues of substance here. I just felt that this post suffered from being in an echo chamber.
best,
October 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pmJohn
johnfyounger Says:
…a lot of good people identify themselves as conservative…
Those “good people” bear direct responsibility for the current sorry state of our country.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pmjohnfyounger Says:
peace John but don’t try to change people who have been here fighting this battle for years..
My intention was not to offend but to get your attention and make my point.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pmalcyone Says:
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I got my figures on agriculture and oil in Alaska from the state DNR site.
Well, now you know that figures from the Alaska DNR are as undependable as those from the mouth of your governor.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:54 pmI guess that serves as an apology.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI think the current economic crisis bears witness to the failed philosophy of financial deregulation and the Republican Party is about to suffer a well deserved rebuke at the ballot box.
But Democrats in the legislature do not exactly have their hands clean on this one either. To ignore their contributions and only blame conservatives won’t go a long ways towards fixing the mess that we find ourselves in. I’m angry too. I am sure we haven’t seen the worst of the downturn yet. But the tone of some of these posts seem just feel too divisive for my comfort.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pmalcyone Says:
Don’t worry about it John, I’ve been registered here less than two hours and Fred has already invited me to look for another forum…all because I ask a simple question or two.
You don’t suppose it had anything to do with your first comment calling someone else a stupid half-wit?
Your two questions:
October 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Comments this last week from columnists about Sarah Palin. The truth is coming out.
Time columnist Joe Klein on picking Sarah Palin: “It was a gimmick. It was one of the most disastrous decisions I have seen in a presidential campaign since I’ve begun covering them.”
New York Times columnist Gail Collins: “This entire election season has been a long-running saga about the rise of women in American politics. On Thursday, it all went sour. The people boosting Palin’s triumph were not celebrating because she demonstrated that she is qualified to be president if something ever happened to John McCain. They were cheering her success in covering up her lack of knowledge about the things she would have to deal with if she wound up running the country.”
New York Times editiorial: “It is a sorry fact of American political life that campaigns get ugly, often in their final weeks. But Senator John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have beeen running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember. Ms. Palin, in particular, revels in the attack. Her campaign rallies have become spectacles of anger and insult.”
Thomas Friedman: “…putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless.”
Democratic stragetist Robert Shrum: “Today she has the worst ratings of any candidate on either ticket. She’s a mistake so vast that she contains all the hollowness of McCain’s nasty campaign.
As he lurches toward November, McCain’s Palin experience is the political equivalent of a lost college weekend – that wacky, self-indulgent party where you tied one on and spent the night with the wrong date. It’s fun for a moment. But then comes morning and a hangover and – oh, no – the wrong person is still there.”
Kathleen Parker, Conservative columnist: “The real Sarah Palin is free at last. She’s Palin the Impaler. Pit bulls beware.”
Matthew Dowd, Republican stategist: “McCain knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. He knows that in his gut, and when this race is over that is something he will have to live with…He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that.”
Christopher Hitchens, columnist for Vanity Fair: “It therefore seems to me that the Republican Party has invited not just defeat but discredit this year, and that both its nominees for the highest offices in the land should be decisively repudiated, along with any senators, congressmen, and governors who endorse them…With McCain, the ‘experience’ is subject to sharply diminishing returns, as is the rest of him, and with Palin the very word itself is a sick joke.”
October 15th, 2008 at 4:00 pmThere may not be a racist bone in McCain’s body, but Sarah Palin has plenty of marrow to extract in case he wants to join the club!
October 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pmReally johny, please point out what democrats did to contribute to this mess. You can’t just make a statement like that unless you know what you are talking about.
You made your statement, now back it up.
as for alcyone, this was his opening salvo:
johnny, want to talk some more about civilized behavior and personal attacks?
October 15th, 2008 at 4:10 pmWell, we are used to better trolls, ones that can come up with at least reputable factoids…..your’s, not so much as has been shown in previous posts on this thread alone.
I am only bigoted against those who put forth their numbers as facts when they are not just to justify thier personal attacks.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pmjohnfyounger Says:
But Democrats in the legislature do not exactly have their hands clean on this one either. To ignore their contributions and only blame conservatives won’t go a long ways towards fixing the mess that we find ourselves in.
Deregulation is strictly a conservative philosophy. Those Democrats who went along with this horrible conservative ideology are also to blame.
As was the case in the 1930s, it will be up to liberals to fix things.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pmalcyone Says:
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What makes you think I am from Alaska, shoeless…or anyone else?
Gee, maybe it was this statement.
alcyone Says:
Since you ask, Alaska has over $50,000,000 worth of agricultural sales a year and produces 25% of all the oil in the US. We are still more than able to feed ourselves.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pmOh please, Clinton left with a budget surplus, the debt clock was running backwards. The dow went from 3000 to 11000 under clinton.
deregulation and tax cuts for the wrong people are what has caused this mess. It was bush and his gang of gop who were in complete control for 6 years and even in the last year and a half the dems have had control of only the house so how did the dems cause this?
Financial problems and corruption scandals are predictable events when a republican comes to power. See hoover, raygun/bush I and the S&L and ensuing recession.
If you want to discuss this please try to be more realistic. No help from the conservive wing will help fix this.
Most Americans are now seeing this, some for the first time.
This economic collapse belongs to the gop, period.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pmNeed I go back to your original post and bring up YOUR reference to agriculture and halfwit? OK, but actually, John and I met in on another topic page, not this one. I think he likes me and is following me from page to page. LMAO
gummitch Says:
How much farming is there in Alaska?… some halfwit from Alaska thinks she has all the oil the world needs and that she knows what we all want and need. Pathetic.
You have a reading comprehension problem? Go back and look at who actually wrote that. It wasn’t me. And the person who wrote it didn’t direct the “halfwit” comment to someone posting their opinion here, as you did. The real point is, though, is your claim that all you did was ask a few questions and Fred asked you to leave. You started out insulting people from your first comment.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pmthe democratic legislature was complicit in many of the evils of deregulation just as they were complicit in the S&L crisis and failure of Continental Illinois under Reagan.
I decry the right’s effort to blame minorities and poor people for the sub prime lending problems and current credit crunch, Republicans did not get their way on deregulation issues without significant Democrat support. Our financial industry has stripped away all of the protectionary measures set in place during the New Deal to protect us from overleveraging ourselves into another great depression, and the Republicans did not do it alone.
It seems to me these credit default swaps, the tactic of seemingly displacing risk from investments, and allowing positions to be leveraged by 30x or 40x are at the heart of our problems. Everybody looked like heroes while the mortgage industry was up, but it was not structured to withstand a downturn. I think most members of Congress still don’t even understand the problem. And they sure didn’t put up much of a stink when Phil Graham snuck measures into bills that peeled off these protections.
Don’t get me wrong: To this day, I think McCain is still ideological or ignorant enough to make Phil Graham his Sec of the Treasury and that his election would lead to a depression. But I think the democrats went along just like they did with the authorization for use of force in Iraq. And their compliance will cost the country dearly for decades. In the case of Iraq, I wonder if they went along for fear of being mischaracterized as weak. As to the banking regulation, I think they went along because of their lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Truly, I don’t know which is worse.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pmWhy don’t you just quote bible spice, she’s as credible. You used the reference without checking it. I thought yous guys was all for personal responibility….oh yeah.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pmPalin might be a moron, but so are those of you who rely on statistics to tell the whole story. Yes, according to the statistics posted Alaska is white and wealthy, but those statistics do not even mention a huge portion of our state–mostly Alaska Natives–who live in a type of poverty hard to explain to someone who hasn’t been to a village. No running water, a bucket for a toilet, an enormously high unemployment rate, high levels of alcoholism, schools without basic programs everyone else takes for granted…Don’t act like you are superior to someone like Palin (who frequently says idiotic things) without knowing what YOU are actually talking about, or you come off as idiotic, too.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:31 pmalcyone is a perfect gop stooge, he really knows how to do the out of context thing to his advantage. Too bad we all read all of the posts and are able to sort out the garbage that he tries to put forth.
Johnny, you sure you want to throw in with his ilk? I mean, you have obviously been drinking some of the kool aid.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pmaboutak Says:
Are you saying that Alaska is like the rest of the country or isn’t? Sara says it is a microcosm of the country, implying that it is an excerpt or example of what the rest of the country looks like. I’m confused.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pmFred,
read my words and please stop with this if you’re not with us, you’re against us claim. I am very well read and informed on this issue. Nothing personal, but I could suggest a few books for you to catch up if you like:
William Greider, Secrets of the Temple
October 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pmMichael Lewis, Liar’s Poker
James B Stewart, Den of Thieves
Laurence Goodwyn, The Populist Moment
I don’t “depend on statistics” to make a determination about Bible Spice. Her entire public record screams “MORON” and “LIAR”. She’s unfit to hold public office and anyone who would choose her as a VP candidate has fatally flawed judgment.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:41 pmalcyone #20….http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html Little “oops” on the oil production….were you listening to Sarah? You should know better by now:)
October 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pmFred Says:
Johnny, you sure you want to throw in with his ilk? I mean, you have obviously been drinking some of the kool aid.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
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No he’s not – he’s making a perfectly legitimate point. Democrats do share some of the blame for allowing Gramm and his ilk to sneak the financial deregulation that caused this mess through Congress. And remember – that budget surplus and reversing debt clock happened largely because of the tech bubble. True, it was a more productive and beneficial bubble than the S&L bubble that preceded it and the housing bubble that followed, but it was still a bubble. And, unfortunately, it clouded the vision of many in Congress who thought we could game the system forever.
You don’t have to be a Republican stooge to disagree with the actions of Democrats now and then.
October 15th, 2008 at 4:56 pmCatch up?!! Excuse me?!!
Why the personal attack, I thought you found those offensive?
I’m familiar with all of the authors you list and thier thoughts on populism and economics. Doesn’t change the fact that we are now engaged in a battle for our future.
This election will decide whether we continue the downward spiral that we now find ourselves in or whether we will have a chance to change the direction in a way that will make life more livable for the majority of Americans.
Your attempt to lump the two idiologies into one is fraught with holes.
It will be possible to have the discussion that you desire in the future but not if mccain gets elected. With the democrats taking power there is at least a chance that your concerns can be addressed.
Do you honestly believe that there would be a chance for that if the republicans remain in power?
October 15th, 2008 at 4:58 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
All discussions that should be had on state levels to get good democrats elected. Most here are concentrating one the presidential election. It is very important.
No one said we don’t have bad democrats. But to imply that the financial downturns that have happened are the fault of the democrats is niave. Democrats may go along with some of the bullshit that republicans push but they do not initiate it. Things will change for the better when the republicans are out of power…..that’s all I’m saying.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pmAlcyone
“Since you ask, Alaska…produces 25% of all the oil in the US.”
According to Wiki “Alaska produces 14.3% of domestically produced oil in the United States,[38] an amount equal to 4.3% of the total oil consumption of the U.S.[39]”
Wanna try again? Da facts man all I wants is da facts!
October 15th, 2008 at 5:11 pmWhile you are at it my 12 year old daughter thinks she has a great economic plan for John McCain. You and Sarah stop tellin lies. With all the money you save, from not having to replace all your pants that catch on fire anymore, you will have enough money to save the economy! lol
October 15th, 2008 at 5:18 pmspeaking of shooting your mouth off(my source isn’t from stuff about states…whatever that is):
from the usda:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/stateFacts/AK.HTM
scroll down till you find:
Farm Financial Indicators
look just at 2007 and you will see there are 660 farms making a Net farm income of 11,410 dollars/year.
comes out to $7,530,600 far short of the 50 million you quote for 2004….what could have happened?
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October 15th, 2008 at 5:22 pmFrom your link alcyone did you see that Alaska rank 50th of all the states in agriculture. You don’t think agriculture is important to this country but I do.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:23 pmWell al at one time I was affiliated with the largest fertilizer distributor in the world when I worked for an investment banking firm. And I can tell you that one of the reasons the United States retained power over what was the Soviet Union was our ability to feed ourselves in a way they couldn’t. I see you keep ignoring the fact that Alaska ranks 50th in agricultural output. How does that make Alaska a microcosm of this country exactly. In fact I think it would be wise for the Obama campaign to point out to the farmers and their affiliates in this country how little Gov. Palin understands their needs.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:29 pmFred,
I hope the Democrats get a super majority and the White House and that things can get set on a solid foundation making life for everyone better. I also think my comments are not naive attempts to shelter Republicans from blame where it is due, but to suggest that the problem may be a little more nuanced than “All things Democrat are good and All things Republican are bad” in relation to our current financial mess. And the more people understand what happened in fair terms, the better we will be at cleaning up the mess and making the right kind of changes. Because by no means do I believe that we are yet out of the woods or that electing Democrats will be some kind of Panacea. I hope it isn’t already too late and I hope we can see a lot of political courage from both sides starting like yesterday. Because we sure as hell need it.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:29 pmShayne Says:
————————————————————-How does that make Alaska a microcosm of this country exactly.
Maybe Palin just meant that the population of Alaska is really tiny.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:31 pmLook johnfyounger, most of us have been posting here for years and have issued our complaints about Democrats more than you ever will. What is annoying is somebody who shows up out of nowhere and starts telling TP how to run this site. It’s called “concern trolling” and you’re hardly the first.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:32 pmjohnfyounger
Johnny, Sorry if I come of that way….my defenses are up. I agree that many dems are part of the problem but I still contend that the republicans are the antithesis to any solution.
If history is an indicator then we will at least have opportunities to change things with democrats…..republicans, not so much.
good luck to us all, we need it.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:34 pmYeah shoeless the populatoin of Alaska is really tiny just like Palin’s IQ score.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:34 pmShayne,
I don’t think I was concern trolling. My emotional response to the post was that I am from Massachusetts and have spent my share of time in New Hampshire and just felt that Palin’s comment about NH being a microcosm was harmless and being blown out of proportion.
I think she is a disgrace because she chooses to appeal to people’s baser instincts, but I do not feel that was what she was doing in the example provided. And my opinion (maybe poorly expressed at first) is that if we mischaracterize a moment like this one, then it turns off people on the fence and it detracts from the truth and larger issues. That’s all.
Love the blog and feel a kindred with much of the emotion felt here. No hard feelings to Fred as well.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:41 pmgotta run…..it’s been fun.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:42 pmI was just saying alcyone that Palin wouldn’t know what a microcosm of the US is.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pmAnd that’s exactly what the problem is Shayne. While Bible Spice’s use of the word “microcosm” is far from unique, her repeated misuse of the word, and countless others, indicates that she says things without knowing the meaning of the words she uses.
To some, it’s not a big deal. And I suppose it seems a bit petty to pick apart the syntax of her speeches. But, one can’t help but worry about what would happen if she were actually called upon to negotiate with a foreign dignitary. Especially in a case where she needs to use an interpreter!
I really can’t understand why the Reichwhiners still try to defend her. She’s abrasive, offensive, and ignorant and she appears to have dealt the death blow to a campaign that defied expectations until the voting public got to know her, and Flippy McSpin, a little better.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pmAnd pete it’s annoying because she is constantly pandering to the crowd. She thinks she can look at the leaves changing colors and understand what a state is all about.
October 15th, 2008 at 6:13 pmJust my read:
October 15th, 2008 at 6:31 pmI watched a lot of that NH appearance live, and I felt that the crowd was pretty uneasy about her. Also there was a follow up appearance later in the day where she referred to NH as being in the Northwest region and kind of got booed. So I’m not so sure the pandering is playing too well in New England.
It’s funny to me, reading NH being described as wealthy. Great State, great people …and I’ll admit that I haven’t spent time there in a while … but wealthy is not a description that comes to mind. wealthy in things that matter, but not the most financially affluent place I have ever been.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:37 amI think that people on both sides of the aisle are very upset right now. I think that the financial crisis feels like 9-11 in this respect (not to trivialize 9-11 in any way), no one knows what the hell is going to happen next. That feeling of helplessness has left everyone looking for something to make things right quickly. I hope that the financial meltdown, while very, very bad, isn’t past the point of no return (ie a depression), that we can get a handle on the crisis part of it in the coming months, and that we can find a silver lining by setting in place some systemic fixes that help us from feeling that we have lost our way.
I don’t think there is an equivalence between the anger Democrats are expressing and the racist hatred incited at Sarah Palin rallies, but I don’t think either one is the way to go.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:42 amalcyone Says:
back up your theory with facts…..you failed to do that and so you have just offered an opinion.
October 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pmHave you guys heard about this:
PBS has an online poll posted, asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. (ask yourself, could she be president someday? OMG)
Apparently the right wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with YES votes.
The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream media. It could influence undecided voters in swing states.
Vote Now
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 pmHere’s the link:
URL: http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
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