Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
Presidential Debate Live-Blogging
11:27: Asked how the race now changes for John McCain after this debate, CNN’s David Gergen responds, “Beats the hell out of me.”
11:15: On Fox News, Mitt Romney said it was McCain’s strongest performance since the Saddleback Forum in August: “It was a great night for John McCain.”
11:00: An instant CBS poll of uncommitted voters said Obama was the winner 53-22. CBS’s polls found that in the first presidential debate, second presidential debate and vice presidential debate, more uncommitted voters said the Democratic candidate was the victor.
10:55: Ambinder reports: McCain didn’t say “middle class” at all. Said Bill Ayers six times. ACORN three times.
10:51: Krauthammer on Fox: “It was a dead draw, which means Obama won resoundingly.”
10:48: CNN’s focus group gave the debate to Obama 15-10. 3 people changed their minds based on the debate. All three decided to vote for Obama.
10:44: ABC’s fact checker: McCain got “Joe the Plumber’s” name wrong, calling him Joe Wurzelberger instead of his real name, Joe Wurzelbacher.
10:40: A “clear majority” of Frank Luntz’s focus group on Fox News said Obama won. (Ambinder: “Four members of Frank Luntz’s 23-person focus group switched to Obama. None switched to McCain. Brit Hume did not seem happy to learn that.”)
10:39: Discussing McCain’s personal attacks on Obama, Republican strategist David Gergen said, “He got over emotional about it. He looked angry. It was almost an exercise in anger management up there for him to contain himself.”
10:36: ABC’s George Stephanopoulos says McCain’s unprompted mention of Bill Ayers was one of McCain’s worst moments since it came right after Obama said they should be talking about real issues.
10:35: Reacting to the debate on CNN, Bill Bennett said, “Not since Nixon have we heard so much about plumbers. Joe Six-Pack has been replaced by Joe the Plumber.”
10:34: Fox News’s count of Joe The Plumber mentions tonight: 15 from McCain, five from Obama.
10:33: When asked who won the debate, the New York Times’s David Brooks quipped on PBS, “Well, we’ll wait for the verdict from Joe the plumber.”
10:25: McCain said that Sarah Palin knows about having a child with autism “better than most.” But her son Trig doesn’t have autism. He has down syndrome.
10:21: Although the debate isn’t even over yet, the AP’s Liz Sidoti is saying that McCain won (UPDATE: Here’s the story.):
This time, John McCain kept Barack Obama on the defensive. The feisty Republican tried hard to find a lifeline Wednesday night, challenging his Democratic rival at every turn over his truthfulness, associations and record. By that measure, McCain won the last debate of the 2008 campaign. But that may not be enough.
10:21: McCain talks passionately about improving education. But in 1994, he proposed “doing away” with the Department of Education.
10:20: McCain called education the civil rights struggle of the 21st century, but he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1990. (UPDATE: In 1983, at the age of 46, McCain voted against creating the Martin Luther King holiday. He apologized for that vote this spring.)
10:17: McCain said he would seek to boost adoptions. However, he has taken an extreme position in opposing the right of gay couples to adopt children.
10:16: According to McCain, concern for the health of a mother is now a position of the extreme “pro abortion movement.”
10:15: Throughout the night, McCain has repeatedly invoked “Joe the Plumber.” For the record, the plumbers union — the United Association — has endorsed Obama, saying that his policies would “help us keep existing jobs and work to develop new, higher paying jobs here in America.”
10:15: In attacking Obama, McCain said, “I don’t know how you vote present.” One way is to simply fail to vote, a skill he’s perfected in the last year: McCain has missed over 64 percent of the votes in the 100th Congress.
10:12: McCain just dismissed guaranteeing equal pay for equal work as a “trial lawyer’s dream.”
10:11: McCain says he wouldn’t have a litmus test for appointing judges to the bench, but he also recently told Pastor Rick Warren that he wouldn’t have appointed any of the liberals and moderates on the Supreme Court: “Justice Ginsberg, Justice Breyer, Justice Souter, and Justice Stevens.”
10:09: McCain claims that Obama voted against Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Breyer. Breyer was actually nominated by President Clinton, before Obama even became a senator. Obama actually voted against Justice Alito.
10:07: McCain said that the average health care plan costs $5,800, the size of the employer contribution. McCain has been a recipient of government health care his entire life and may not know that, according to the latest estimate, the average health care plan is actually 12,680.
10:06: McCain just called Obama “Senator Government,” then corrected himself.
10:06: McCain said the escalating costs of health care are inflicting pain on “working class families.” Ironically, Mccain’s plan to shift Americans from the employer-based system into the individual health insurance market would increase their out-of-pocket health expenses.
10:04: McCain bragged that he would give every family a $5,000 tax credit to buy insurance. Unfortunately, McCain’s credit depreciates over time and would not cover the average health care premium of $12,000.
10:03: As Atrios notes, moderator Bob Schieffer is asking questions that offer a false choice, such as “Would you favor controlling health care costs over expanding coverage?”
10:03: McCain said that if you like Obama’s health care plan, “you’ll love Canada or England.” And indeed people do like those countries systems better: “One-third of Americans told pollsters that the U.S. health care system should be completely rebuilt, far more than residents of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, or the U.K. Just 16 percent of Americans said that the U.S. health care system needs only minor changes, the lowest number expressing approval among the countries surveyed.”
10:01: McCain says we should have “physical fitness and nutrition programs” in our schools to reduce the number of overweight children. This seems hard to square with his plan for an across-the-board spending freeze.
10:00: McCain said the escalating costs of health care are inflicting pain on “working class families.” Ironically, McCain’s plan to shift Americans from the employer-based system into the individual health insurance market would increase their out-of-pocket health expenses.
9:56: Obama is arguing for better labor standards in trade agreements. Christian Weller has found that “United States can improve its trade deficit, which has been at or above 5% of gross domestic product since the middle of 2004, by calling for improved labor standards from America’s trading partners.”
9:55: Obama said America invented the automobile industry. In fact, the first market-viable car was developed by Germany’s Karl Benz. The first automobile was invented in 18th century France and the first internal combustion engine was invented in 1806 by a French-speaking Swiss man (this is why we use the French word “automobile”).
9:52: McCain said that if we start drilling offshore now it will lower the price of a barrel of oil. But his top economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, admitted in June that “new offshore drilling would have no immediate effect on supplies or prices.” (UPDATE: The Energy Information Administration says expanded drilling “would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.”)
9:50: McCain seems to think the viability of nuclear-powered naval vessels demonstrated the viability of safely storing nuclear waste. We do not, of course, actually store the waste on the ships. The two things have nothing to do with each other.
9:48: McCain said we had to fight the first Gulf War to prevent Saddam Hussein from threatening our “world supply.” Presumably he meant “oil supply.” Alternatively, perhaps McCain is Galactus and needs to devour worlds to survive.
9:46: McCain observed that the American people have gotten to know Sarah Palin. He didn’t mention that they don’t like her! She’s got a 32/41 favorable/unfavorable spread in the latest NYT/CBS poll.
9:45: McCain cites Palin’s efforts to erect a pipeline to bring energy to the lower 48 states. That project exists on paper only, and Palin has actually opposed another plan to bring Alaska’s natural gas to the rest of the country.
9:45: Touting Palin’s credentials, McCain called her “a reformer.” Like Palin, perhaps he hasn’t read the Alaska Legislative Council’s investigative report showing she “abused her power” and violated the state’s Ethics Act.
9:45: McCain praises Palin for “giving money back to the taxpayers,” which Palin accomplished through enacting a windfall profits tax on oil companies. McCain opposes such a tax.
9:37: After attacking Obama for his connection to Ayers, McCain declared suddenly, “My campaign is about getting this economy back on track.” Obama laughed.
9:36: McCain brings up Ayers — “a washed up terrorist” as he calls him. (UPDATE: McCain says ACORN is “destroying the fabric of our democracy.”)
9:35: McCain: “I’m proud of the people who come to our rallies.” (UPDATE: Obama invited McCain to bring up Ayers, saying that Palin had said he is “palling around with terrorists,” McCain again refused to engage.)
9:34: We think the American people would probably be more interested in hearing about plans by Obama and McCain to impact the lives of ordinary Americans than hearing them critique each other’s campaign tactics.
9:33: McCain said it’s “not true” that he’s running 100% negative ads. In fact, the Wisconsin Advertising Project recently found that his ads were 100% negative.
9:32: McCain claimed that he’s repudiated every “out of bounds” remark by a Republican about Obama. Just this week, however, McCain demurred when asked if he would repudiate remarks made by the chairman of the Virginia Republican Party comparing Obama to bin Laden.
9:30: McCain interrupted Obama to say that he should read what Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), who participated in the Freedom Rides to desegregate the South, said about the McCain campaign. Here’s what Lewis said:
What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse. . . .
George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.
As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all. They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy. We can do better. The American people deserve better.
9:29: Debate moderator Bob Schieffer essentially invited McCain to talk about Bill Ayers to Obama’s face, and McCain took a pass, changing the subject to John Lewis.
9:29: McCain is blinking maniacally during all his answers; Obama seems unbothered by the lights.
9:28: McCain said he “vigorously opposed” President Bush’s conduct of the war in Iraq, but just this past April, he proudly said that “no one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have.”
9:25: Obama noted that his support of clean coal doesn’t make him “very popular with the environmental community.” Maybe Obama should consider that if environmentalists don’t like it, it’s because there’s nothing clean about it!
9:24: McCain defensively argued that he wasn’t President Bush, but in 2005, he declared that “on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.” (UPDATE: McCain said “I’m not president Bush.” But McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time and has previously stated that he agrees with Bush on all major issues.)
9:23: McCain says “I would fight for a line-item veto.” A line-item veto was signed into law years ago and ruled unconstitutional in 1998.
9:21: McCain’s across-the-board, hatchet-like spending freeze is still a counterproductive pro-cyclical measure as we head into a recession, reminiscent of Herbert Hoover’s austerity budgets that deepened the Great Depression.
9:20: McCain said that during the Great Depression “we had something called the Home Ownership Loan Corporation.” In fact, it was called the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation.
9:19: Earlier in the debate, McCain repeatedly attacked Barack Obama for his conversation last Sunday in Ohio with “Joe the plumber,” as McCain refers to plumbing business owner Joe Wurzelbacher, whose earnings of over $250,000 a year puts him comfortably in the top five percent of earners in the United States. Watch the conversation:
Here’s how the non-partisan Tax Policy Center found the candidates’ tax proposals would affect people’s taxes:
9:16: McCain calls opposition to tax cuts for the rich “class warfare,” but in 2002 McCain said he couldn’t “in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us.”
9:16: John McCain has suggested that the example of Ireland justifies his plan for a cut in the corporate income tax. In fact, Ireland raised close to 4 percent of GDP in revenue, far more than the 2.2 percent of GDP currently raised by the American corporate tax rate.
9:14: McCain suggested that his tax plan would help small businesses. But in reality, McCain’s tax plan would disproportionately benefits large corporations, giving $46 billion dollars to the Fortune 200. (UPDATE: Loopholes in the tax code allow two-thirds of U.S. corporations to pay no taxes at all.)
9:13: McCain had been widely criticized for refusing to make eye contact with Obama in the past two debates. He seems to be making an effort to look at Obama tonight (though he appears uncomfortable doing so).
9:11: McCain is portraying his tax plans as primarily benefitting small business owners. FactCheck.org has previously called McCain’s claims in this regard ”bunk”. In fact, only a minority of small business owners would benefit from McCain’s proposals.
9:10: McCain said, “We’ve got to put the homeowners first.” But he opposed provisions allowing bankruptcy judges to help homeowners renegotiate their mortgages.
9:09: McCain and Obama both discussed their plans to help homeowners avoid foreclosures. CAP outlined a plan to do this that would be cheaper than McCain’s plan and more comprehensive than Obama’s back in January. Had such a plan been adopted in a timely manner, perhaps we could have avoided a disaster of this depth.
9:07: McCain says Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “caused the subprime loan situation.” But as McClatchy noted this weekend, “private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis.” The original meaning of a “subprime” mortgage was a mortgage not up to Fannie/Freddie standards. Fannie and Freddie got into the subprime game late, and most subprime loans had nothing to do with Fannie or Freddie.
9:04: McCain mentions that former First Lady Nancy Reagan is in the hospital today, but doesn’t mention that Vice President Dick Cheney went to the hospital today as well.
9:02: John McCain and Barack Obama enter, shake hands, and seat themselves. McCain is not wearing a flag pin, while Obama is — thus marking a clean three-for-three sweep for each candidate.
In a few minutes, the ThinkProgress family – TP staff, Wonk Room staff, and Yglesias – will begin our final presidential debate liveblog of 2008. Once again, we’ll be your reliable one-stop shop for rapid response research, analysis, and insights.
The National Review’s Rich Lowry reports: “McCain is going to be pretty aggressive, in a nothing-to-lose, not-much-time-left mode.” Josh Marshall wonders, “How will McCain say Obama’s a terrorist, Muslim, Arab freak without saying it in so many words?”
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October 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pmThe big question is: What will Rich Lowry do if McBane winks at him?
October 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pmThis has benn a great place to comment on the debate. Think Progress Rocks!!
October 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pmIm Ron, but you rock!
October 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pmI’m all about substance, but I can’t helping thinking that McCain in a chair isn’t going to look too good.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pmI’m watching the straight C-span version.
How about you, 5th?
October 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pmWho’s watching on what? I’ve got MSNBC on this time ( the last two I went with PBS)
October 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pmHas Drudge declared a winner yet?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pmdamn barfly…you beat me to it! :D
October 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pmI’ve got it on CNN.com
October 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pmWhere are the score-card girls?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:01 pmsomeone please say Hi to me!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:01 pmPretty blatant telepromptering, Bob.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:01 pmI don’t have a TV, by choice so I watch it on my laptop.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:02 pmhi daflash
October 15th, 2008 at 9:02 pmHi daflash
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmHe called him Sen Obama
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmthanks 5th!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmwhat is mccain writing already?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pm“Our beloved Nancy Reagan” GAG
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmMCCAIN: My plan is better because Bill Ayers
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmfreddie may? wasn’t he the singer in Queen?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pmMccain’s proposal is too vague, while Obama’s is targeted.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pmMcCain kept saying: angry, angry, angry. WE get the picture.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pmhurting greed angry angry angry….
October 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pmFirst lie blaming Fanni may
October 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pmFannie and Freddie’s fault! Of course. Lie #1
October 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pmMccain’s going to have a hard time arguing for his tax proposal, while advocating a continued presence in Iraq.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:06 pmOB “the fundamentals of the economy were weak” SNAP!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:07 pmMcCain’s arched his eyebrows – it’s a tell.
He’s angry as hell, and barely keeping it in check.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:07 pmbarfly… MC won’t make the connection
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pmMC I will blinky blinky blinky
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pmHere he goes with the Tax Strawman argument! Get em Barack!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pmWatch McCain’s face next time Obama’s speaking. When he thinks he’s got a winning hand, he arches his eyebrows.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pmwell, I prefer they lie to JOE THE PLUMBER instead of six pack joe
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pm“…keep your taxes low…”
But McPOW will reach around from behind to make up for the lost revenue.
I’m sick of hearing that lie.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pmhow much formaldehyde they got in mccain anyway?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pmSo JM is going to buy Joe’s bussiness.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pm#31
Yep he’s boiling.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pmwhy is everyone named joe? joe 6 pack, joe the plumber…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pmOh no my spell checker is broke!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pmOH noes! <C says Obama is going to crap all over Joe the Plumber and Bob the Builder and other children’s TV characters!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pmNice jab be Obama
October 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pmHe’s got on more make up than his running mate————palin.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pmWho is Joe the Plumber, really?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:11 pmMcCain is hanging by the thread…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:11 pmMcCain is angry already.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:11 pmhey mcinsane! I would rather hear talk about equity in our economy than the “class warfare” about racism and false claims about terrorism.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmRUDE RUDE RUDE
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmBang! He just did it again…
Is McCain really trying to paint Obama as a socialist?
After this republican-led bailout?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmMC still doesn’t have a flag pin on?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmHow will all this effect John the crotchety old senator?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmExcellent Riposte by Obama. McCain won’t let go even though he lost the point. Classwarfare? here we go.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmFlippy McSpin says: “My friends. Sen. Obama is a connunist who wants to redistribute your wealth”.
Is this the “new tough” Flippy McSpin?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmNow he is lying about tax rates – companies NEVER pay that effective tax rate because of the loopholes and write offs.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmObama is explaining it again. Expanding on his original point. McCain tried to cut in. didn”t work.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pmSorry. “Communist”.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm35% is the imaginary business tax rate!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pmLie #2 corp tax rate
October 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pmMcCain is morphing into an old Bill O’Reilly.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pmHere’s another way to ask that “won;t you have to cut something ” aren’t Americans going to pay dearly for the last 8 years of GOP rule? “
October 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pmmcchimpy start the shyte.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pmObama needs to take this question head on. Answer it directly.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pmhow in the hell can mcchimpy tell Sen. Obama what his plan is?
how arrogant is that?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pm“We have to stop sending $700 billion to countries that don’t like us very much.”
And what about the trillions to Iraq, Senator?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:16 pmMC just said hey, Clinton made a proposal that I’m now propsing….doh!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmMcCain is getting ANGRY
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmFlippy says: “Shut up Bob. I’ll talk about what I want”.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmMcCain’s eyes look like he’s up on something.
Compare his eyes to Obama’s.
His pupils look blown.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmNot the best answer. Okay but not great.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmgotta love mclame bu bu bu….. when asked to answer the question
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmmccain knows all.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pmyeah mcchimpy can talk about all the depressions and meltdowns because he’s been in all of them directly or indirectly since the great depression.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmHe knows how to fix everything
October 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmWhere are the “My Friends” lines? I waiting to do a shot for my drinking game.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmMC “I know how to save billions of dollars in defense”—except that yesterday you said you wouldn’t cut anything in Defense!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmMcCain is NOT answwering the question. He is avoiding it. Across the Board spending cuts? How do we do that.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmpork ears?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pmmcchimpy lost. he’s still the same ridiculous nut.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pmLie #3 overhead projector
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pmHe’s lying through his teeth! He is desperate. McCain is losing it!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pmI waiting to do a shot for my drinking game.
No schmoozing allowed, this time.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pm“3 million overhead projector” right. Please call him on that one Obama. Its a planetarium for christ sake. Its much more than a “overhead projector”
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmHe’s nuts or stoned or mad as hell. or all 3.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmI hope nobody’s foolish enough to try the “My friends” drinking game again. I can’t count this time.
Lordy, he’s saying he’s not the same as Bush. Riiight.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmit;s the 42K LIE…AGAIN!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmHe’s nutty.
There is no way he can balance the budget.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmhey mclame jerk – YOU ARE CHIMPY’S THIRD TERM
October 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pmIs there steam comming out of his ears
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmALso McCain brought up the USAF tanker deal which um may not be going ahead after all and therefore technically cost a bunch of jobs.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmlie#4 taxes on 42,000 tax payers
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmMcCain is lying so baldly! Lets see him balance the budget!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmHow is McCain going to call Obama an unpatriotic Muslim Arab terrorist who is trying to steal the election, without actually calling him an unpatriotic Muslim Arab terrorist who is trying to steal the election? That will be some magic trick. This should be interesting. I hear the moderator, Bob Scheiffer has a soft spot in his heart for McCain; let’s hope it’s not a factor. Tick… tock… tick… tock…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmlie $5 he voted for bailout bill with tons of pork.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmhurting angry again….
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmC’mon, Obama.
Admit you won’t be able to balance the budget with a war going.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmMcCain is writing an essay. Hes on his second page already
October 15th, 2008 at 9:22 pmMcCain is starting to sound angry! Not good.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pmeven faux news! nail that bastard mclame
October 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pmOB examples of maverickiness? here you go, 1,2 ,3 so neener neener–oh so easy !
October 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pmI think he’s drawing a picture
October 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pmMcCain is gettin’ cranky!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pm“Even Fox News disputes it.” OH SNAP
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmpow card
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmewe!!!! don’t want to see his scars
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmMcCain=bush go Obama
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmbringing climate change to the floor—lie #4 by my count
October 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmAnyone else here a couple of groans from the audience there?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmIt’s all about the maverick reformer.
He has nothing to offer but vague generalities.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmDo you all think McCain is not faring very well here? He is very emotional – his demeanor is jumpy.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmlie #6 torture he voted against bill. Praised bush
October 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmYeah blame everything on Obama because he wouldnt do what you wanted him to
October 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmIt’s Obama’s fault because he wouldn’t do town halls.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmIf Obama had done that, this campaign would already over. Obama would have eviserated him.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmwho the hell does mcchimpy think he is?
he’s a damn lie.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmLook at him sit there and lie lie lie and claim OBama is the one running the dirty campaign
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmHe’s playing the “Lewis card”.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmMC: oh god, town hall meetings would have stopped all this unpleasantness… jeeez! You are such a meanie, Barack!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmOMG, now it’s “We’re only being nasty because you didn’t want to do town hall debates? You sack of shite, how effing unAmerican, you’re not thinking of the country at all, you’re thinking about revenge!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pmmclame is lying again – he has not repudiated anyone except when they are at his faux “town hall” meeting and he knows it will be on all the blogs.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmsay ayres mcchimpy.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAnother lie. McPOW didn’t say anything about “terrorist” or “Kill him!”
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAnd he still can’t force himself to look at Obama.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmThe CNN voters look bored. The lines are barely moving. Some of ‘em have either nodded off or are listening to the baseball game on their ear buds.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmSo now McCain is playing the poor innocent victim. It is not working.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:27 pmObama has spent more because more people gave him crap loads of money , more than you John!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pmgotta love it – mclame claims he won’t be negative and then immediately calls obama a liar!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pmAnother lie! McCain is running more negative ads than anyone else.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pmIT ABSOLUTELY IS TRUE – nail that bastard!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pmHAHAHAHAHA
Sen. Obama is serving mcchimpy his ass.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:29 pmI would kill to see what exactly McCain is writing???
My guess: A cloud for him to yell at
October 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmHEY TP guys, are you sure you aren;t just cutting and pasting your remarks from the last debate, ;cos it seems awfully familiar :D
October 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmI give up counting McCain’s lies. Too hard!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmAnd every one of your ads claim Obama is palling around with terrorists
October 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmJohn’s whining.. tear tear tear.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pmJoe the Plumber!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pmmccains hands shaking?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pmJm is losing it.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pmAttack is different from Negative. Someone whant to explain that to McCain?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pmFlippy is melting down!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:31 pmoh boy… here we go
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmMcCain is being such a baby about this Lewis comment. He sounds like a scorned lover.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmDynamite!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmNail em Barack! John Lewis was right.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmMC “of course I talked about the economy—I said its fundamentals werestrong, and ALSO that it was in a crisis and he was going to fix it, which he did, and now its in a crisis again, all because Barack obama has more money to spend on ads instead of town-hall meetings,,,, waaaahhhhh!”
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmmclame is gonna implode!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pmMcCain is really showing his temper.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmHere comes Ayers!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmIts too bad Obama is so classy. He could provoke McCain so easily. So many buttons too push
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmwow – mclame says that “any time you get people together they will yell KILL HIM!”
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmJM’s proud of raciest.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:33 pmIs he gonna bring up Ayers or is he yella?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmwhaaaaaaaaaaaaa???
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmStill never repudiates people THREATENING the life of a candidate for president
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmGive me a break. We need to move on this is ridiculous. McCain is just an a**hole.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmHe has repudiated every out-of-line statement? BULLSH!T.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmMcCain is incoherent in describing attendees at his rallies. He is not condemning “kill him” but he wants Obama to condemn Lewis.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmMcNumbNuts is on the edge! Please, please, please . . . push him over! It’ll be a “game-changer”.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmObama needs to be concise.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmShow us the tape of the hateful remarks at Obama functions you lying old fart!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmmclame is a disgrace – look at him when obamam speaks
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmObama is starting to take control of the debate. McCain is losing it. He defends his crowds and lies about what he has done to control them.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmAYERS!!!!!
Who has 9:35??????
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmHere comes Ayers
October 15th, 2008 at 9:35 pmObama is so sweet with all that “we are going to have to work togehter”"—not if you get a super majority the Houses.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmAyers, baby.
Watch John’s polling numbers drop.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmHere it comes….the Limbaugh line.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmwashed up terrorist???? WOW
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmAyers and ACORN in the same sentence.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmMcNasty cant help himself
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmHoly crap. I don’t think I can watch this. Unbelievable.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmOh wow…Mc Cain just went all medieval on ACORN—the biggest fraud, threat to democracy? .
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmMcCain is going to lose this argument.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmI watch CNN.
Every time when McCain begins to speak the audience agreement meter drops sharply.
The audience is either NOT “uncommitted Ohio voters” or McCain has a very bad appeal to them.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:36 pmIs FAUX in charge of the video feed? They’ve stopped showing Flippy in the split screen. I want to watch him implode.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pmHey Sven, are you hearing any groans from the Audience from CNNs feed? I could swear I’m hearing some whenever McCain goes in the gutter.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pmMcCain just took the bait. He really is losing it.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pmHear that deflating sound? That’s McPOW’s polling numbers.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pmOops, backhand with Ayers then Acorn shot.
Centerpiece of McCain’s campaign. BOOM! Over the centerfield wall.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:38 pmBring up Timmons…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:38 pm60 seconds to refute the racist scum sucking scum’s only argument.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:38 pmNow hes calling Obama a liar
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmNegative attacks are only going to hurt McCain.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmgoing going GONE!
mccane is getting ready to explode!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmwait…is mccain calling acorn terrorists?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmMcCain loves to lie.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmObama needs to stay positive and let McCain go on his rants. It’s not helping McCain.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmLobbied for Saddam…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmNo your campaign is about Bill Ayers
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmWill Obama bring up Keating?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmI was once able to hear McCain breathe heavily, but I cannot hear anything of the audience (CNN International).
October 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pmPalin is up, God Damn this is getting FUN!!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmlove obama is laughing now – mccain tells a lie and then switches the topic
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmacorn? See this is why this old goat is so behind the times.
mcchimpy asked Sen. Obama about the lies he has been spreading around. When Sen. Obama answers he calls him a liar. Pathetic.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmMC My campaign is about getting the ecomony back on track, which is why I keep mentioning Bill Ayers, see?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmdamn – doubt that obama will take the shots he should at palin
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmPerfect. The truth wins.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmWhat is McCain doing?!! this is becoming embarassing for McCain. He may have just destroyed his chances. Such as they were.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pmthe american public is not going to buy that obama needs to further explain acorn and ayers, yet mclame’s campaign is about blah blah blah…
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmWill someone let me know when the baby has finished his fit?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmObama slames JM on both Acorn and Ayers
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmObama is making his points for the middle class. He continues to make them. Good for him.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmmcchimpy looks spooky to me. Like a smirking insane clown posse sort of way.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmStick to your LIES McInsane, stick to your LIES….they are working so well for you.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmThis is so bad. I used to have so much respect for McCain. Sad, vey sad.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pmWhy have they dropped the split screen?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmmccain will talk about Biden more than Palin
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmBTW, to the trolls who said the stock market is up nearly 1,000 on Monday, by Wednesday night that went poof.
Back to the debate, sorry for being OT
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmHow many lie’s about Palin can he say.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmreformer…mavericky……fighter……
Oh yeah….you betcha. Doggone it.
Did he just say OLD BOY network.
Oh yes, the autism card
October 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pmSay Maverick. SAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pmOn CNN mention of Plain and the lines took a dive HA!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pmCNN lines going clear negative during McCain’s attacks.
Positive and rising while Obama discusses Biden.
Women are digging the Palin stuff, men have switched over to the baseball game.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pmbreast of fresh air?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pmIs it just me, or is McCain blinking a hell of a lot while he’s talking about Palin? First sign of lying or discomfort…..
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmPete, which channel are you watching?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmSpecial needs families???????????????????
Like she will fund autism research??????
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmmcchimpy looks spooky to me. Like a smirking insane clown posse sort of way.
I think he dipped into Cindy McBimbo’s medications just a tad too much.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmHe can’t offer a single legit qualification for Bible Spice.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmSarah, a role model? She’s not my role model. I don’t want to have a unwed underage teenage daughter
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmIs McCain the only one who is doodling on his legal pad?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmDid you guys see the pivot, from slamming Obama, to saying his policy was best for America?
Weak.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmUh oh, Palin is an expert on Autism! She can see it from her front porch!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmAlmost everything JM said about is a lie!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pmLied about Iraq.
He’s going to get hammered for that.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmWhy didn’t Obama bring up Keating and Liddy?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmTurning Palin discussion to health care, brilliant!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmVery diplomatic answer by Obama about Palin. Well done.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmIraq is more divided than ever..
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmoops Almost everything JM said about Palin is a lie!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmMcCain must have taken some speed.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pmAttack Joe Biden, Joe Biden will eat your lunch
Iraq is UNITED according to McSilly
October 15th, 2008 at 9:46 pmObama can’t help hoimself. I’d chuckle too.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:46 pmDamn Obama is very cool and relaxed
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmI’m watching PBS, Jim. It seems like they dropped McSpin after he started turning purple.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmThis is like talking with my f-in-law — he’s interruptive, he can’t stay focused — he’s 90 years old!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmI am disappointed – palin is a terrible candidate and obama just put her up on a pedastal
Guess it is his strategy to “take the high road”, but there were some issues to be said.
Like she was just found to be guilty of an impeachable offense!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmObama is being too nice, but let the 527s bring up the AIP and the witch reverend.
Canada just said WTF?????
BTW
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmAnswer the Question JM.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmNote to McCain: three mile island
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pmhe’s going to eliminate our need for foreign oil in 4 years
October 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm“Started turning purple.” Oy!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pmgiving palin a free pass on corruption and lies about her experience is a mistake
October 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pmBlinky McNumbNuts is losing his train of thought mid-sentence now. The end is near!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pm5th Estate, that was hysterical. :D
October 15th, 2008 at 9:49 pmMcCain is going to come back with drill baby drill.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:49 pm“it has to be safe”
so mccain ceded that nuclear power isn’t safe?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pmLast debate it was “our Friends” that was the drinking game
I feel bad for those who had “looking like he pooped himself” in this debate, they need 911 help NOW
October 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pmObama didn’t answer the question either.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pmThis “borrow 700 billion $ from China annually” of Obama was misleading. He should have added “and other countries”. China hasn’t got such a large trade balance surplus with the U.S.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pm(trade surplus = net capital export in macroeconomics).
I love when McCain raises his eyebrows in surprise. He looks like such a buffoon.
I also love how drilling offshore will cure all our problems.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:51 pm“Look at” McInsane says, well I’m looking at a total a$$, which is John McGonnaDieSoon.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmGood call CB!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmMcCain is getting angry again!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmDrilling won’t reduce the price of oil.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmClinton, Blame
9:52???
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmWhat is with McCain’s eyebrows? He looks like the little old rich guy on the cards in Monopoly. Get out of jail free!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmI should just do shots when McCain turns red and gets cranky like my grandpa. I’d be trashed by now.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmObamas South Korea automobile trade argument was kinda stupid.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pmJM used to travel south of the border regularly to bang his ho
October 15th, 2008 at 9:53 pm“drill now” again. Some1 needs to tell him that capacities for new oil production infrastructure is working overtime already. There’s no “drill now” except probing.
“drill now” means to drill significantly in 10-20 years with economic break-even in 15-30 years.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:53 pmObama’s never been to Mexico. Palin can see it from McCain’s ranch!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:53 pmobama just nailed him – assassinate labor leaders and its human rights
October 15th, 2008 at 9:53 pmMcNumbNuts isn’t doing himself any favors with the raised-eyebrows and smirking crap.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:53 pmWhy does McCain find trying to ensure labor organizations don;t get attacked and even killed so amusing?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pmGood response by Obama on Columbia. He really is on top of this debate. Deftly jabs away at McCain.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pmbet mclame didn’t see the assassination of labor leaders coming
October 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pmMcCain is looking ahead, thinking of brilliant things to say
October 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pmEvery time McCain tries to missdirect the debate, Obama brings it back to the center.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pmYeah right mcchimpy, Sen. Obama hasn’t visited south of the border so he doesn’t know shit it, but plain can see Russia from her home and knows all about foreign policies.
say good-night dick.
I don’t know why repugs hoped he will do better tonight, it’s not gonna happen.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pmWe have Hugo Chavez:
McCain BINGO must be getting contentious
October 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pmMcCain is getting desperate!!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmObama maxing out the lines when he talks about energy future.
McCain into the negative with Hugo Chavez line.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmOMG! there he goes again!
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pm9;55 – nah, he said America invented the automobile industry, which is fair enough.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmon CNN looks like men and womern are really bored about free trade
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmmccain “obama hasn’t been south of the border to enjoy the love of a sancha”
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmJM just can’t help saying that Obama loves him some terrorists.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:56 pmObama dreams of jobs by green energy.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pmBreaking News:
The Europeans and other countries are much ahead in these key technologies and will get most of the market. They lived with higher energy costs since decades and have an adaption advantage. Gas in Germany is at about 8 $/gallon.
Holly crap, my living room is in about 5 feet of BullSh!t from McFullofsh!t.
Gonna have to get a step stool to continue watching.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pmNow he’s comparing Obama to Hoover? What kind of bad joke is that? Lordy, Lordy, Lordy
October 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pmIf this were a softball game? The umpire would call it and send McSpin home to recover.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pmI like that Obama says “we estimate…” and NOT I promise to create X amount of savings
October 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pmIs McCain sitting on phone books?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pmI think if you listen again, Obama said American invented the automobile industry–or did I hear it wrong?
October 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pmobama: make long term investments
mccain: we’re ok where we are at. let’s not change anything.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pmBTW, I have been to South America, didn’t see it from my house, and McCain is completely STUPID.
Bringing up foreign policy to Obama is like bringing up hitting to Ted Williams (old school reference for the old guy McCain, we’re not mean)
October 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pmOff topic: Asian Markets getting whacked again. 41/2% to 8% down right now.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pmMy old buddy Joe??
October 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pmJM just got burnt!!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmOOPs…….John is stunned.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmJoe the Plumber – Bob the Builders brother-in-law ~
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmThis is just soooo silly. McC is just barely treading water.
McCain is getting more response time than Obama in the 2nd answer time. McCain is taking an extra period before Bob cuts him off.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmcan we lose this Joe thing?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmThere he goes raggin on Sen. Obama instead of talking about his healthcare policy.
ZERO? hahahaha
October 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pmWe just want the same health care that you get.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmcasey…yes he did say that the US invented the auto industry- what he should have said was the ‘modern’ auto industry.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmSomebody pick McCain’s face off the floor. please!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmJohn McCain says you’re fat… your kids too!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmMcCain is getting angry..blinking rapidly
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmmclame made ass of himself – acting surprised and now the smug “eat sh@t” grin.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pmGreat point, Mr. Buckley!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmlook at mclames stupid face
October 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmMcCain needs to shut up and listen to what Obama is saying about Health Care. Obama is really schooling him.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pmObama is so in his element right now. Doing a great job in this debate. So on top of his points and hitting them well.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pmIs JM stealing Obama’s tax plan.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pmmmchimpy’s annoying eye rolls and his licking his top lip is just freakin bs.
Why is this fool lying on Sen. Obama? Where are mcchimpy’s facts?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmObama was a bit hesitant there, but he got in the important $12,000 versus 5K tax credit on insurance.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmWow, this is the first one I’ve seen between these two.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmMcCain is getting his a$$ handed to him.
He’s going to go home and have his wife slit his wrists with a broken bud bottle.
what a sarcastic ass – mclame is gonna get crushed with people think about this debate
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmHaha, my wife, a true neutral on this stuff, has decided that she can’t stand McCain, smarmy, condescending, and just plain CREEPY.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmso if the average cost is 5800 why does he only want to give us 5000? Huh, Joe?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pm5K + 5K I AM STILL DOWN $2K!!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pm$5k health benefit, which will also be taxed, and probably at a “bonus” rate…thanks for leaving that out, McCain.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:04 pmOh here we go with the ‘mandate lie AGAIN!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:05 pmoooh women weren’t buying McCains spiel at all
Senator Government.
Priceless.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:05 pmnow his lies are not even making sense – people aren’t gonna like the “hey joe you’re rich” crap, coming from a man that married into a fortune.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:05 pmSENATOR GOVENMENT!!!!
He is losing it
October 15th, 2008 at 10:05 pmJoe and the fine stuff turning off CNN voters. Describing his plan put them to sleep. Flatlined, like where they’ll be under the plan.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmGold plated, my health insurance is more than $9,000 and that is just for me.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmWow. He actually managed to blame “big government” on the Dems who have been in control less than 2 years.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmOh brilliant, the Dems have in in charge the last 2 years! HAH HAH!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmtransplants! and all of those kinds of things… Joe? What do your fat kids think about transplants and those kind of things?
Joe?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmBlaming it on the Democrats, since 2007????????????
October 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pmOld men doing “air quotes”
“”"”"”EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW”"”"”"
October 15th, 2008 at 10:07 pmoh noes! air quotes BY mCcAIN! daMN! Whatever will Obama do now?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:07 pmI didn’t know gold plated cadilac healthcare means they can get transplants? Wow. I better start looking for mcchimpy’s healthcare plan.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pmMcCain is absolutely repulsive! He comes across like a grumpy ol
October 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pmtroll!
there is a litmus test there always is
October 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pmHe already told the FUNDIES he would appoint judges to overturn Roe V Wade.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:09 pmExcellent point about the state referenda!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:09 pmMcCain looks like he’s in the middle of a train wreck .
October 15th, 2008 at 10:09 pm“I think… I think… I think…” For someone who has so many thoughts and opinions, I’m finding it hard, earnestly listening to him, to pin down exactly what it is that McCain is saying he thinks.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmMcCain looks like he’s in the middle of a train wreck .
And he’s in it, last one to know
October 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmAnyone have the Dodgers score, this game is over (though it was at 9:05)???
October 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pm3-0 phils last I saw
October 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pmBarack is going off on a tangent. Not good. Stick to the subject.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pmSen. Obama is pro-life
is mcchimpy pro-coathanger?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmOH! McCain just lost the ladies!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmblue state bob Says:
Anyone have the Dodgers score, this game is over (though it was at 9:05)???
Oh! I just came up with a new nickname for the maverick-team!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmThe statute of limitations does not begin to run until the plaintiff could have reasonably found out about the tort. She did not know until recently, and filed her suit in time.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmFailed aborting libel crap, God Damn he is getting the jackhammer to the bottom of that barrel.
Such LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pm5-0 Philles top 6th. Just about over.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pmSorry not mainstream.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pmJohn’s killing himself with women, with this position.
Keep talking. Please keep talking.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pmI’m so sick of this “late term abortion” argument from pro-lifers. Yes, pregnancies are terminated in the third trimester when a woman is in danger. It’s not because they don’t want the child–it’s one of the worst decisions a family has to make.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pmIf is comes from mclame and it sounds outrageous – IT’S A LIE!
Great response obama
October 15th, 2008 at 10:14 pmmcclame just sounded like his head is ready to implode
October 15th, 2008 at 10:14 pmcindy and I adopt, and she is drunk and stoned all the time!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pmI just got in so I’m watching the debate on my DVR. Around 9:38pm McCain called CBS’ Bob Schieffer “Mr. Harris.”
WTF?
Also, will John McCain’s huffs ‘n’ snorts of derision be reported ad nauseum and ridiculed in the same way Al Gore’s sighs were in the 2000 debates?
Somehow I think not.
-AF
October 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pmAndrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
one votes present but disagree with something in the bill, you old thing. Aren’t you the “experience” one.
Bring up the sex ed thing mcchimpy.
HAHAHAHAHA
john is trying to hold it in listen to his heavy breathing.
FUNNY as shyte.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pmAs a Red Sox fan, projecting to the NL game.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:15 pmADOPTION TO BE APPROVED BY MCCAIN ADMINISTRATION! I CAN TAKE MY KIDS OUT OF THE BASEMENT NOW!!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmMcCains looking smiling and thinking up brilliant stuff again….
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmThe “health” of the woman. The “health.”
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmMcCain’s answers say it all. Roe v Wade will be a litmus test.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmmccain: i’m a doctor and i know about the health of women. after all i adopted. ask joe the plumber. <>
October 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pmI don’t understand why the wingnuts are against abortion
October 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pmonly a godless liberal living off the government would get one.
Who had Bridget?? Their adopted child??
The one thing I will/did give the McCains credit for, but they have bastarized it to all hell
October 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pmbarfly Says:
John’s killing himself with women, with this position.
Keep talking. Please keep talking.
He can’t shut up.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:18 pmGo Red Sox!
Okay, thank you, Sen Obama, for recognizing need for science, math, research and development in our country again. Holy cow, maybe it will be “cool” to be smart again!!!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pmAnd what do you do when you have teacher shortages? Nothing?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pmObamas maxing practically maxing out on education
October 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pmYeah vouchers are the answer.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:20 pmEducation, education, education. McCain’s position is to say education a lot. But he obviously knows squat about education.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:20 pmThis drives me nuts—why should education be a goddam competition?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmWHat I’;d like to see is a standard national syllabus for a start.
WOW
Didn’t think even mclame was stupid enough to hold up NOLA after Katrina as a great example. NOLA lost their public schools
He is saying that disaster is good – no way. He is holding it up as a good thing. Disgraceful
October 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmDid I misunderstand McCain?
I think I heard him proposing that troops that leave the forces should be accepted as teachers right away. As a measure to improve schools.
That sounds REALLY Heinlein-esque, fascist.
Well, here were some noises, maybe I misunderstood him.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmI am watching the debate on CSPAN and it shows both McCain and Obama on the same screen. When McCain is talking, Obama is sitting there attentive watching him. When Obama is talking McCain is looking at the moderator or the audience with the ugliest smirk on his face. God he makes me want to smack him.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmYeah, I think Obama is doing well on Education. It is a subject that is near and dear to him.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pmVouchers don’t work. White folks will put there school so far away it won’t be worth the time or the money.
Charter Schools work because they aren’t under the same restrains as public schools.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmHey! Notice that communist doesn’t have a flag pin on! McCain, I mean.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmblue state bob Says:
Who had Bridget?? Their adopted child??
The one thing I will/did give the McCains credit for, but they have bastarized it to all hell
There is nothing to admire about McCain and Bridget’s adoption. He had nothing to do with it. Cindy brought her home and said “Hi Honey, look what I brought home”. Reportedly he was furious and has spent precious little time with her.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmBHBaggins… yeah
October 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pmBilbo.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pmI totally agree. I have had to flip channels at times because I can’t watch him. When he was going after Obama about negative campaigning, I couldn’t hack it.
Did McCain just say that if a person’s a veteran, he should be able to teach without the certification process? WHAT?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pmThat’s what I heard.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pmHe just blew it – head start isn’t about getting kids “ahead of others”
It’s about catching them up – obama needs to call him on this.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pmMcCain’s saying veterans coming home should be able to get a teaching license, without taking a test?
Visions of Sam Kinnison, teaching Modern History.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pmI can’t believe McCain’s demeanor. He’s literally seething. You can hear him breathing like a bull… and still not the slightest eye contact with Barack. I can’t wait till he’s put in his place once and for all, in 20 days.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pm“Your wife???” Oh boy.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:24 pmAlso watching CNN voter reactions and it’s funny how every time McCain comes on, there’s an immediate drop and it takes him a few moments to get back to up middle ground…
October 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmSo. Flippy McSpin’s education policy is to privatize it and do for it what he and his deregulators did for the economy?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmPalin’s child has Downs not autism. IDIOT
October 15th, 2008 at 10:25 pmI thought this thing was pretty much a draw for the first hour or so, but Obama is starting to pull away. McCain says very little with his responses, Obama is all substance. When Obama looks right at the camera, he looks like the President.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pmSo Palin’s kid not only has DOwn’s syndrome but is autistic—is that what he’s saying? Does Sarah know?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pmMcCains accusation about Head Start is BS. The program works very well. It can be tweaked but don’t kill it.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pmSTFU John and let Obama answer.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pmWOw , McCain TANKED amongst women on that last shit-eating comment!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pmHmmmm… noticing a McCain strategy here. Watch him next time he LIES and Obama rebuts.
STEP 1) Spout off a totally outrageous falsehood about Obama (example: “Senator Obama serially poops his pants.”).
STEP 2) Listen while Obama shoots it down (example: “Um, that’s not true. I have several dozen eyewitnesses on the floor of the Senate who can tell you that’s not true.”).
STEP 3) Look SHOCKED during Obama’s rebuttal, as if you were dropping off the truth and you’re stunned and outraged that Obama would lie about this!
I’m sorry, Senator McCain, you’re just not a good enough actor to make this look REMOTELY believeable. That, plus the fact that a lot of LIES are zipping past your lips.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pmThat one?????
October 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pmStill can’t say Senator Obama
More of nothing gained for JM here…
October 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmAll I can say is McCain is one nasty human being. He makes me sick.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmHey John. I bet Joe the Plumber wouldn’t mind paying more taxes if the services he got were worthwhile!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmJeez, Manny just sent one to Mars! What a whack. 5-1 Philles.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pm“YOUR wife” and “That one.” What class.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmmccains eyes are all twitchy and blinky and chit..bedtime
October 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pmalcyone Says:
Um, I dont think he was talking about Officers that have attended WestPoint or Annapolis there Todo.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmtirelessly…something John can’t match
October 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmHey TP crew… maybe tomorrow you can assemble comparison of the three debates, noting the reptitions, and the lies, in toto? Or maybe there isn;t any point.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pmHe was wiping his hand on his coat…haha.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:31 pmHoly over the top hand-shake! Do you think he got the message that he had to be more gracious after the debate?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:31 pmGreat closing staement by Obama.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:31 pm“good jab…good jab good jab”…won’t even look at him
October 15th, 2008 at 10:32 pmalcyone Says:
Have you ever been in the military, nycbassist? I’d say most officers who come out of the service are more qualified to teach than someone just out of college.
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“Say it… SAY IT!”"
“…Roosevelt was a pussy!!!”
October 15th, 2008 at 10:33 pmSurprise of the night, Bill Bennett thinks McC won.
Last one to the casino pays for drinks!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pmOops. I meant “Truman was a pussy!!!”
October 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pmDid I misunderstand McCain?
I think I heard him proposing that troops that leave the forces should be accepted as teachers right away. As a measure to improve schools.
That sounds REALLY Heinlein-esque, fascist.
Well, here were some noises, maybe I misunderstood him.
He knows his grades from those “liberally-biased” veterans groups are abysmal so he wants to show that he “supports the troops.”
October 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmWhat a classic ending. Obama and Michele smiling, waving, kissing his arm around her, obvious affection from both of them.
Then there’s McNasty and his Stepford wife sitting there clapping and waving, but nary a touch and not even a look shared between them.
Obama owned McNasty and McNasty knew it. I came to regret watching on CSPAN because I was sickened by McNasty’s smirks and sour look. And once again, he couldn’t even look at Obama.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmObama walks WITH his wife off the stage while McCain LEAVES his wife to navigate the stairs by herself.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pmDoes CNN always have 100 commentators? Is that not overkill? Don’t they all say the same thing anyway?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pm“Obama owned McNasty and McNasty knew it. I came to regret watching on CSPAN because I was sickened by McNasty’s smirks and sour look. And once again, he couldn’t even look at Obama.”
Yup, and after shaking his hand at the end he promptly wiped his hand on his coat.
Ewww…terrorist coodies…
October 15th, 2008 at 10:38 pmMcCain was acting very petulant throughout the debate.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:38 pmI’m tuned to MSNBC now for the unhinged Chris Matthews, the rational Rachel Maddow and hopefully some of the NY crowd behind Matthews
October 15th, 2008 at 10:39 pmwhy does scheiffer always “go to a new topic” after mccain has the last word?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:40 pmMcCain made one of the biggest insults to women when he said:
I think Sarah Palin is a good role model for women.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:40 pmtbone… 100 commentators,? Yes quantity not quality!
October 15th, 2008 at 10:40 pmCNN post-debate sounds as if MCain had his best debate this time, winning first 30 minutes and losing last 30 minutes.
Anyway, even their pro-McCain commentators don’t claim the necessary K.O.
Well, I only like Roland Martin and Cafferty in CNN anyway.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:41 pmWell it’s at least 10 anyway. All of them cackling and squawking as you’d expect.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:42 pmalcyone:
October 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pmWith all respect I think you have no clue what teaching is about. I suppose you probably think Joe the Plumber could handle it as well…
tbone… J Stewart did a great bit on that the other night: “Do you think 10 opinions are enough to help us understand what’s going on. In this financial crisis don;t we really need 12? ”
October 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pm( roughly like that anyway)
mccain: “if you wanted to run against president bush you should have ran four years ago…btw i’m a maverick running against bush” angry snort
October 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pmObama finally put and end to Ayers story.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:45 pmNow,what are McCain and Sarah going to talk about?!!
15:10 in CNN focus group for Obama.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:46 pmWell, George Will says Joe the Plumber one the debate and McCain didn’t stem the tide.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pmDaily Kos is blogging that McCain plans to dump Palin and name “Joe the Plumber™” as his running mate.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pmThe vortex of hell: Make-up an hour before these ten blowhards go on.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:48 pmUh oh – JSMcC wasn’t sporting a flag pin ~ does that mean he isn’t patriotic or that he doesn’t love this country?
October 15th, 2008 at 10:48 pmMilitary to teaching – have complete mercy on us. There is NO correlations.
Yes, I want my child taught how to assemble and disassemble weaponry/sarc
Oops. one = won in 439.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pmtime.com poll:
Who won the presidential debate?
95% Barack Obama
5% John McCain
October 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pmIts dawning on me that Joe the Plumber–an attempt by McCain to to connect with the “hurting, angry” generic American Everyman—was the biggest mistake McCain made ( apart from dissing women on health and wages). JOe the Plumber is already an instant joke amongst the pundits and as we see from Nat #440, with others too.
October 15th, 2008 at 10:59 pmMcDepends is a moronic old bullshitter
October 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pmWho fared better in Wednesday’s presidential debate?
October 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pmSen. John McCain 12% 5760
Sen. Barack Obama 85% 41674
OK, CNN finally agrees that Obama has won by at least a small margin.
Again, definitively no knockout win for McCain.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:04 pmhad enough…
thanks for the stats, l;ooks like a lot of people have had enough :)
October 15th, 2008 at 11:05 pmNo abortions for women if their health and lives are determined to be endangered by their own doctors?!! Step back to the dark ages McCain–that’s up to the doctors, not your stupid ideology (or idiology as he stated).
What a nasty old doofus–GO OBAMA!!
October 15th, 2008 at 11:05 pmIn attacking Obama, McCain said, “I don’t know how you vote present.” One way is to simply fail to vote, a skill he’s perfected in the last year: McCain has missed over 64 percent of the votes in the 100th Congress.
It’s too bad that Obama isn’t snarky. He could have come back with a jab on that one!
I have to admire how positive Obama was. I kept thinking of ways he could hit back at McCain on many of the things he said. But I realize that staying above the fray and repeating that the people care about issues, just made McCain look all that more nasty. It was the right choice, even though I would have loved to see him smack McCain down.
My only disappointment in Obama’s performance was on ACORN. He really didn’t stand up for them and ended up in making it sound like ACORN really is responsible for fraudulent voters. I just wish he talked about ACORN’s record and that they have never been found to have perpetuated voter fraud, only a few of their employees have. And then he should have said that there have been many cases of Republicans being found guilty of voter disenfranchisement. I think Obama needs to meet the ACORN thing head on because the Republicans are in a all out push to convince voters that ACORN is influencing the election and will be the cause of their loss.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:07 pmJoe the Plumber, Joe Six-Pack–do these guys even exist? Doubt it.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:08 pmSO umm a few points:
McCain claimed the Acorn registrations issue was the :biggest voter fraud in US history” and would “destroy the fabric democracy”.—oh someone on MSNBC just mentioned that.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:08 pmObama continues to look presidential. He was respectful to McCain but didn’t let him get away with the lies his campaign has been spreading. McCain looked agitated and cranky.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:08 pmYes we exist, dagnabbit!
And we’re voting Obama.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:10 pmBlinky lost his cool so many times it was a hoot
October 15th, 2008 at 11:11 pmIs it just me or does it seem that the brain-lock the country has been in is finally breaking? All it took was 8 years of bumbling every possible decision and the nomination of an unqualified zealot VP candidate.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:11 pmI think McCain had a plan to get Obama hot and angry…but Obama foiled McCain and his handlers plan by staying calm and cool.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:11 pmBilbo…I agree on the ACORN thing..OB would be smart to stay on top of that because it;s part of the whole election system which is still horribly damaged. Votes WILL be stolen and unlawful challenges made, there IS caging going on and Obama should not rest on the fact that he has a significant lead according to the polls.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pmLOL Joe the Plumber!
October 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pmAround 9:45, McCain referred to Sarah Palin as “a breast-breath of fresh air”. Run the tape back, I’m sure that’s what he said. Comedy gold.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pmJoe the nuclear physicist is really sort of annoyed as is Joe the recombinant DNA technologist
October 15th, 2008 at 11:16 pmI laughed when McCain called Obama “Senator Government”.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmI disagree about the ACORN thing. I don’t think Obama needs to defend the organization. They can defend themselves. You can’t run around defending every organization that someone else claims you are affiliated. Otherwise you end up sounding defensive about everything and you sound like McCain suggesting Obama was calling out his WWII vets for yelling terrorist. I think he was smart to give JMac enough rope to hang his lying, negative self with.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmIf CNN’s spaghetti-meter is anything to go by, McCain totally lost the Independent women vote on health/abortion/wage equality/education/Iraq, and lost some men on education.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmtbone…I agree he didn’t need to discuss in that forum, but I hope he’s on top of it… he seems to be.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pmWe’uns out here in Bugtussle think that mean old man makes him some good points. But it’s time for him to pipe down and let the young folk take over. That nice young fellow is smart as a whip, and if he’s black, well good for him. Time to put all that nonsense aside and get on with things. Get out the way, Paw, let the young’uns get this thing right.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pmThe deal with Acorn is that it’s voter registration fraud and that’s very different than voter fraud. The entire Dallas Cowboys aren’t going to show up in Denver to vote.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pmMaybe Joe The Plumber can lead McDepends’ 2012 presidential bid ……..When McCrappyPilot is around 300 years of age…..
October 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pm5th Estate Says:
Bilbo…I agree on the ACORN thing..OB would be smart to stay on top of that because it;s part of the whole election system which is still horribly damaged. Votes WILL be stolen and unlawful challenges made, there IS caging going on and Obama should not rest on the fact that he has a significant lead according to the polls.
He also needs to stand up for ACORN. They are an excellent organization that does good work. I heard on the radio today that when they raided the Nevada office, they took off the rubber bands and sticky notes that had identified a group of ballots as suspicious and held them up to a camera and said “see how many fraudulent registrations we found”, failing to mention that ACORN had already identified them as fraudulent.
Obama needs to hit this hard and let people know that the problem is not fraudulent registrations (which rarely make it past the Registrar of Voters”, but the problem is the disenfranchisement of voters.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:23 pmDr Matt… well there have been plenty of early votes where permitted.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pmalcyone Says:
Have you ever been in the military, nycbassist? I’d say most officers who come out of the service are more qualified to teach than someone just out of college.
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A military instructor once said to his class of medics:
If you know how to do it, you do it no matter what the why of if’s are..
You will learn just enough to be dangerous.
That is the mind set of the military and does not belong teaching in the public school system.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pmBilbo:
October 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pmI agree that the problem should be highlighted, but it is not Obama that should do it. It is ACORN, the legal system, and non-affiliated people that should handle that. People like Jimmy Carter that have been involved in election integrity would be well suited for things like that. For Obama to defend ACORN does nobody any good, including ACORN. All that will do in my opinion is draw further fire in their direction.
oh duh ! but of course those early voters probs alreadyhave valid registration… silly me
October 15th, 2008 at 11:30 pm5th Estate Says:
This drives me nuts—why should education be a goddam competition?
WHat I’;d like to see is a standard national syllabus for a start.
Because the property taxes usually fund education. Well I know here they do.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:32 pmAt fox news, Obama has 67% of the over 39,000 votes.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:33 pmThis sealed the deal. The race is done, save for the vote stealing. Obama will have double-digit leads all round by Monday.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pmSomeone who has been in the military should be able to go straight into teaching with no exam nor certification??? Like Timothy McVeigh???
October 15th, 2008 at 11:36 pmhad enough,
October 15th, 2008 at 11:36 pmAs an educator it sort of annoys me that every nutsack seems to think they understand the job. I myself don’t go around telling the brain surgeon or the fire fighter or the dental hygenist how to do their jobs nor do I presume that I can do what they do. It is so lame that other dipshits presume that they can do what I do.
Bill Bennet said “tonight I saw John McCain the fighter pilot”. Excuse me, but haven’t we had a “fighter pilot” the past eight years?
October 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pmdbadass:
October 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pmEverybody has been taught, therefore, they know how to teach. At least that seems to be the logic.
Joe the Plumber, sorry to tell you this but you’re BUYING a business that supposedly “makes” $250K a year. First of all that’s not netting$250K. Second, you have to pay interest on the money you borrow and then of course you are paying for the business. It’s going to be a long long time before you realize $250K profit and by that I mean NEVER. As a small business owner I thought you’d want to know.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:42 pmHey I can see a school from my home, sort of. I’m qualified to teach.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:42 pmI know how you feel dbadass. As a woman I’m insulted that the dirtbag thinks Palin is a good role model for us.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:44 pmDr. Hussein Matt, I had some teachers who were vets and were great—but there is no automatic connection. Especially if they have PTSD from four tours in Iraq.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:45 pmTeaching is a vocation. If we, as a country, transform education into a “free market” industry? The “bad teachers” Ol’ Flippy seems to think are destroying young minds would propagate like mold.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pm5th Estate Says
October 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
LOL Joe the Plumber!
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I agree that the whole concept of painting this Ohio guy as “Joe the Plumber” is silly. But probably brilliant. McCain did his best to paint “Joe the Plumber” as a blue-collar plumber — you know, just an average guy.
The truth is, if Joe is earning more than $250,000 a year, he’s JOE THE FREAKING PLUMBING MOGUL and he can certainly afford to pay his fair share of taxes and pay for his workers to get health insurance (or pay into the pool under the Obama plan). And if “Joe the Plumber” really is making less than $250,000 a year, he gets a break.
I think some people tend to confuse an annual operating budget of $250,000 or more (which would include many small businesses) with annual PROFITS of $250,000 or more. The two are VERY different. Yet McCain did nothing to correct the misunderstanding when he kept referring to a “$250,000 business” — interpreted by most of us to mean operating budget.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:48 pmI went to six schools in five years and now I teach Geography in New Dakota.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:48 pmShayne,
October 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pmThat role model line was one of the funniest of the night. Still I liked all that goofy wandering around the stage sticking out his tongue and making weird face stuff at the end the most. I imagine the kinds of woman I enjoy are pissed. Us left handers are a bright group
McBlinky called Obama “Senator Government”
Case closed.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pmI wouldn’t let Grampy McSame near my child teaching her or other wise db.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:56 pmLine of the night:
October 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pmObama: “Joe the Plumber, here is your fine”
[as he raises his hand in closed index finger and thumb in a zero]
Well McCain thinking Palin’s down syndrome baby has autism twice is pretty mind boggling. Pretty hard to diagnose a baby with autism Grampy. He needs to take that alzheimers medicine.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmJoe the Plumber is going to have a rude awakening when he starts paying bills.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:58 pmpete:
I would be lying if I did not acknowledge thatI have worked with some weak teachers in my career and at times I was not atmy best but still I think that these people assume a very unique role in our society. Oddly enough I find myself in the difficult position of making a quick decision relative to wheter or not to take on a student teacher from the local college. There are so many pros and cons on that whole deal.
I haven’t seen decent wildlife of late but foliage is just a little past peak.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:59 pmThe truth is, if Joe is earning more than $250,000 a year
-misshusseinmolly
If a company is earning more than $250,000 a year in profits then their revenues must be more than $1,000,000.
And where is this plumber getting the money to buy the business?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:02 amKeith Says:
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Bill Bennet said “tonight I saw John McCain the fighter pilot”.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Yeah , because McDepends crashed and burned ………
October 16th, 2008 at 12:03 amwell I’m done for the night. Ciao everyone, it’s been fun
October 16th, 2008 at 12:04 amHow many friggin’ plumbers are there in an average American town , anyway ?
This “Joe the Plumber” guy sure as hell doesn’t employ 100 people ; who in the hell ever heard of any local plumber employing that many individuals ? Or even half that number ?
Does McDepends really believe everyone is just plain stupid ?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:06 amBill Bennet said “tonight I saw John McCain the fighter pilot”.
-Keith
October 16th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Joe the Plumber just raped me when he came to snake my toilet. $125 per hour!!!! He don’t need no fcuking help.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:09 amMCMetal Says:
Does McDepends really believe everyone is just plain stupid ?
Yes
October 16th, 2008 at 12:10 amJoe the Plumber is now making the rounds of right wing media saying that he is infuriated that Obama would stop him from buying a business. I’m not exactly sure how Obama could do that but it’s pretty obvious that Joe was a plant. If he’s not and he doesn’t know the difference between gross and net profit, then he has no business buying a business.
Besides Joe, if you keep all your money and the middle class has none, who is going to be your customer?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:16 amjust a quick note:
my mom, 84, called about 15 minutes after it was over, she’s never been able to stay up for the others… she was so upset…
said, about mcNUTS, “how can someone like that be so stupid?! i knew the answers before he did… and he didn’t even say anything! … he scared me! … that is scary”
i agree mom…
so, what kind of drug made this performance possible?
he was very weird acting… blinking and grinning… ick.
but, i don’t make a habit of watching the man, as little as possible, so…
but my mom is voting for a democrat for the first time.
it will probably be her last too… so this one is very cool.
g’nite all…
October 16th, 2008 at 12:24 amanother thought, to add…
agreed, this has sealed the deal… the race is over…
so now it’s time for the “surprise”… ?
did cheeeney make it ok? so far?
just waiting for the other shoe to drop…
such a cynic… sorry.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amkaty says: so, what kind of drug made this performance possible? he was very weird acting… blinking and grinning… ick.
Speed? Hitler’s favorite.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:41 amwell, yea, but what KIND of speed?
it had to have been a cocktail… just the right blend…
October 16th, 2008 at 12:43 amdid cheeeney make it ok?
Yes, he picks up the heart tomorrow when the 10,000 mile service is finished.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:44 amDon’t know what kind of cocktail. Just noticed him grinding his dentures.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:46 amDid anyone catch when McCain called Ayers a “washed up terrorist”?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:48 amYeah. Would an active, successful terrorist be better?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:51 amBut McCain’s transition head was a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:52 amMcCain doesn’t realize that Ayers was acquitted of the charges. Also, Ayers is very successful now. He’s a professor and has done good things for Chicago.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:54 amI regret that I missed all but 15 minutes of this debate. I’ve seen clips and read the live-blogging here and on the Zoo.
McCain jumped the shark tonight when he put women’s health in air quotes.
Pack your shit, McCrazyF ucker, you’re done.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:57 amMy best pal from 1965-72 is now head of the N.R.A. I would hate for that to be held against me.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:57 amI think Annenberg must have done some vetting before putting him on their board.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:00 amGreat postings this evening. All the salient points have been covered.
Will the media be reporting:
“It just shows you he’s not ready for the big time,” conservative Laura Ingrams opined on Fox News.
Said Sean Hannity: “Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!”
That was the hullabaloo last year when Obama wasn’t wearing a flag pin.
(John McCain did not wear a flag pin during tonight’s debate.)
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October 16th, 2008 at 6:46 am-Thomas Jefferson
TP: “9:55: Obama said America invented the automobile industry. In fact, the first market-viable car was developed by Germany’s Karl Benz. The first automobile was invented in 18th century France and the first internal combustion engine was invented in 1806 by a French-speaking Swiss man (this is why we use the French word “automobile”).”
There is a difference between inventing the *automobile,* and developing the automobile *industry.* Granted, a German and a Frenchman may have done the former, but Americans turned auto manufacturing into an *industry.*
October 16th, 2008 at 8:56 amI took a look at the BBC World News live blog which included a variety of comments from the public and other media outlets/pundits.
Josh Marshall from Talking Points Memo was quoted twice (opinion)
Think Progress was quoted twice (fact checking)
WashPo was quoted twice (fact checking)
Some comments from ” the folks”L
MelonCamp: I feel like I can vote for McCain with more confidence now after this debate.
umm…because McCain is strong on “blinking” ?
davidwooten: “The Supreme Court is one of the most valid reasons to vote for McCain.”
Because the SCOTUS is so left wing? Or is it because they can all share stories about their old age health problems?
October 16th, 2008 at 9:32 amJoe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher related to Charles “the Crook” Keating. Oops.
president material, I don’t think so!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 9:38 amI saw the moment when McCain played the ACORN card, declaring it to be a major threat to our democracy.
This from the party that stole two Presidential election and put traitors in the White House.
I think McCain was setting up the Repub strategy–contest their inevitable loss at the polls and try to get the Supremes to put them in again.
October 16th, 2008 at 9:43 amSomething happened to my post….it was supposed to read:
October 16th, 2008 at 9:44 amhere’s the link
something wrong with me or the board this morning:
the link:
October 16th, 2008 at 9:47 amhttp://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/
Joe the plumber + Bill Ayers = McCain’s total desperation
October 16th, 2008 at 9:59 amJoe the plumber has no time for business anymore…
October 16th, 2008 at 10:03 amHe is busy signing autographs…
TP – Can someone at TP check into whether “Joe the Plumber” is actually a plumber and not a McCain plant.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:06 amI don’t know why anyone says McCain had a great night. I felt like I was watching an off-Broadway revival of Taxi Driver.
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