Bachmann Calls For McCarthyite Investigation Into Anti-American Activities Of Liberals
Bachmann Calls For McCarthyite Investigation Into Anti-American Activities Of Liberals
Appearing on MSNBC’s Hardball today, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) attacked the patriotism of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), based on his alleged relationship to former Weather Underground member William Ayers and the values of Obama’s former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I’m very concerned that he may have anti-American views,” said Bachmann. “That’s what the American people are concerned about.”
She then went further, suggesting that all liberal views — held by people such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, professors, and all Americans who identify themselves as “liberals” — are “anti-American.” When host Chris Matthews, stunned by her remarks, asked Bachmann how many people in Congress hold anti-American views, she responded, “You’ll have to ask them.”
Bachmann called on the media to conduct investigations into the anti-American activities of members of Congress, similar to Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s discredited House Un-American Activities Committee hearings in the 1950s. “I think people would love to see an exposé like that,” she claimed. Watch it:
Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) made similar comments at a fundraiser yesterday, saying that she loved to visit “pro-America” areas of the country — “small towns” where “hard working” people are “very patriotic.”
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Michelle Bachmann is doing her party a great service. I'm sure she's popping up now just to show that Sarah Palin really isn't the dumbest politician the GOP has to offer.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:10 pmYou have to keep in mind that these foaming RW wingnuts think that "Tailgunner" Joe was improperly railroaded, and that he was right in what he was doing....
But, go, Bachmann, you go, girl! Show the folks in Minnesnoter what lunatics now infest the Rethuglican party, and Franken will win in a cakewalk....
Cheers,
October 17th, 2008 at 6:13 pmFrankly, I find all this running around by conservatives calling people unamerican, frankly, well,uh, unamerican!
October 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pmSomewhere in hell Eva Braun is smiling.
Just saying . . .
October 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pmNut-lady...they've waited until two weeks before the election to get all concerned? Such crap...remember these cretins everyone because we don't want them in positions of power ever again.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pmThe people of Minnesota must be very proud of her.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pmSo she thinks the media should do a "penetrating investigation" of Congress. I, personally, think a neurologist should order a penetrating CT scan to see if she has a brain in her head.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pmShe must have had different civics and history classes than I did. I experience the same disconnect when I hear her speak as a "Christian" and I read what is attributed to Christ.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pmNovember 5th has in store more than a triumphant Obama victory, but the most notable ass kicking handed out by a regretful congressional district in Minnesota.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmOh. Ma. Ga.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pmWhere's her flag pin?? She must be a commie. I'd be willing
October 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pmto bet that none of the people upset with Rev. Wright's sermon have never listened to the whole speech or have been to any black church. What about Fawell's remarks about 911? I'm tired of these wingnuts saying that anyone who is against the war Bla Bla Bla is unamerican.
I don’t know when Bachman’s up for re-election but I’m sure many Minnesota’ns right now will make sure that she’s ousted as soon as possible.
She was elected to the House in 2006, so she's running right now. I don't know where she stands in the polls.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pmBachmann is in urgent need of psychiatric help. She is totally delusional.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pmSo, we know that Michele Bachmann is an utter moron but who are these folks in Minnesota that vote for her?
October 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pmThis chicks a total nut case. If I lived in MN I would run against her. She needs to be voted out by some sane person up there. Mathews needed to dig deeper and have her define "anti-american" views. Also I'm still waiting for the reason as to why liberals are bad. No one ever calls the people out on this. Ive you look at the definition of liberal it really doesn't look bad at all.
Liberal
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:32 pm2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.
Ms Bachmann perfectly represents the incoherent, paranoid provincialism that infests too much of the Country, making it less American by the day. Such people don't deserve democracy.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:32 pmI have always seen this woman as a bit of a loon. But right now she is sounding bat $hit crazy.
What is it with Minnesota and the weird people they pick (thinking about Jessie Ventura here)?
She's going to bust a gasket when she has to contend with Al Frankin as the state senator.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:32 pmWell the rabid Bachmann is a US Rep so she's up for reelection like all reps are. Let's hope her constituents are a little bit more intelligent than she is.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:32 pmsatirev Says
October 17th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
I don’t know when Bachman’s up for re-election but I’m sure many Minnesota’ns right now will make sure that she’s ousted as soon as possible.
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As a member of the House of Representatives, Bachmann is up for re-election this year, as are all House members.
I haven't been able to find much information on her re-election race, but she's running against a guy named Elwyn Tinklenberg. Not much in the way of poll data, but one poll indicated Bachmann ahead by four points.
I do know that she's served only one term, and she was elected two years ago with the help of some very active evangelical groups in her district. She may get re-elected with that same kind of help.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pmBackman on running for the U.S. Congress. Like too many far-right Christians (and she is, I believe, absolutely sincere in her beliefs...unlike Bush) thinks she knows the mind of God and that He was in favor of her winning. Sound familiar?
"God then called me to run for the United States Congress, and I thought 'What in the world will that be for?' and my husband said 'You need to do this,' and I wasn’t so sure, and we took 3 days and we fasted and we prayed and ...he made that calling sure And its been now 22 months that I’ve been running for United States Congress. Who in their right mind would spend 2 years to run for a job that lasts 2 years? You’d have to be absolutely a fool to do that. You are now looking at a fool for Christ. This is a fool for Christ. And in the midst of him making this calling sure, what has occurred now in this particular race is that this Congressional seat out of 435 in the country has become ... it has been one of the top five races in the country, and in the last week this has become one of the top three races in the country, you may have seen how God has in his own will, and his own plan, has focused like a laser beam after this scandal [involving Mark Foley] that came up about a week or so ago. He has focused like a laser beam in his reasoning on this race. The reason why this is one of the top three races is because this race will probably decide which way Congress goes this fall. We could talk more about what that means for this nation, what this means for defeating radical Islam, what this means for what the future of the family is going to be, what this is going to mean for the future of the freedom of religious expression."
October 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pmBachmann calls for a media investigation in the days running up to an election in witch the right wing nuts are being trounced. What a patriot. What a clown.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pmShe is the reason mcarthyism flurish in the 50's when sinclaire lewis wrote facism will come rideing in carrying a flag holding a cross boy did he get that right and old pat bucannan couldnt agree with her more these are dangerous times and these lunatics are the reason remember be more afraid of the people telling you to be scared than the people that there telling you to be scared of
October 17th, 2008 at 6:35 pmDeath threat, vandalism hit ACORN after accusations
The Miami Herald - 1 hour ago
By GREG GORDON WASHINGTON -- An ACORN community organizer received a death threat and the liberal-leaning voter registration group's Boston and Seattle offices were vandalized Thursday, reflecting mounting tensions over its role in registering 1.3 ...
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October 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pmWould you say Michelle suffers from massive or semi-massive ignorance?
October 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pmIf the television ratings are to be believed, the American people have been paying quite a bit of attention to this race. If the polls are to be believed a majority of likely American voters would appear to be favoring what this twinkie claims are anti-American views. Wonder how long it will take the wingnuts to process that one if things go down as expected next month.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:38 pmIs she insane!?
Seriously. What the f* is wrong with her?
October 17th, 2008 at 6:38 pmI know it is name calling, but this woman is a LOON!
October 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmHere's her poll numbers:
It looks like she is in the market for losing her position. The thing I don't understand about the above quote is that her approval rating is at 34% and yet she has 42% of the vote in polling. What's up with that? People don't approve of her and but they are going to vote for her anyway.
There is a very big margin of undecideds in this race so I suspect that her opponent will ride in on Obama and Frankin's coat tails.
This interview certainly is not going to help her with the undecided's!
October 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pm@republicanSScareme:
October 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmOr to paraphrase Colbert: Michelle Bachman, a great idiot or the greatest idiot?
This rhetorical sandbagging is to prime her constituents for the coming Long Winter In The Wilderness.
In a veto-proof House and Senate, her chances of passing any legislation will be about the same as Col. Sanders' second coming.
Good choice, you backwater Bozos.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmShe will suffer the same fate as McCarthyism.
I sure hope the fine folks in Minnesota like her...YEOWEE!!!
October 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmPeople like Palin and Bachman are not doing the Republican party any favors. Within two days they have both insulted a sizable portion of the people in this country. In a campaign where negative campaigning is not working, they are both piling it on. They are proof that there's no cure for stupidity.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:43 pmThanks, katy. Stand your ground, ACORN. The GOP millionaires and suckers -- those promoting class warfare -- are after your noble cause. They're simply accusing you of what they've been doing.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI know she has said a lot of stupid things in the past but these empty reckless accusations shes throwing around is scary even coming from her. Especially now in this extremely hostile accusatory atmosphere the right is riling up
October 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pmBilbo:
There is a very big margin of undecideds in this race so I suspect that her opponent will ride in on Obama and Frankin’s coat tails.
Not only them. There are races also going on in other countries, in which candidates are using a possible Obama presidency as a means of connecting with their voters.
If he wins, his "coattails" will stretch several continents.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:45 pmhere's pollster: http://www.pollster.com/polls/mn/08-mn-06-ge-bvt.php only two data points. Hopefully McCarthy, err, bachmann starts sliding after that little gem.
It continually amazes me that these "republicans" (i put it in quotes because they seem to be much closer to fascists than the original intent of the GOP) don't get the basic premise that this country was founded on... dissent, conflicting viewpoints, and incessant argument to determine the best course for the country. Pointing out that something is wrong with America and working to change it is the ultimate act of patriotism. Allowing king George IV,DHS, TSA and the house un-american committees tyranny, erosion of civil rights, and shredding of the constitution is the ultimate act of treason.
I think the next amendment to the constitution should be that all elected officials are REQUIRED to actually READ the d*** thing.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:45 pmAs a Minnesotan I must remind everyone that she only "represents" one district, the 6th. I have even considered moving a few miles down the raod to have the pleasure of voting against her.
As for how she got there? She pulled a surprise coup, fueled by evangelical church groups, to win the nomination and then got massive support from the RNC against a DEM opponent who was, frankly, a light-weight. There was also a third party candidate who took a fairly high percentage of votes.
She is, currently, ahead in the polls but, her lead is quickly shrinking. And? She has refused, at the urging of her own party, to participate in most debates. Plus, she keeps appearing on national shows and saying asinine things. I have a feeling that the good people of the 6th District will make a better decision but, as has been pointed out, Minnesota politics can be downright goofy.
If you would like to learn more about crazy Shelly? Here's a site devoted to her defeat.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
October 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pmBachmann might want to look at some of the "anti-American" elements in her own party, particularly the associations of her party's POTUS and VPOTUS nominees.
How about McCain's association with Charles Keating? Does Bachmann believe that influencing Senators in order to get preferential treatment from regulators is a "pro-American" thing to do? Especially if this greed results in a financial crisis negatively impacting the country?
And how about Palin's association with a group that dreams of seceding from the United States? Is that considered "pro-American"?
Oh, and how about Palin's association with Westbrook Pegler? She used one of his quotes in her speech at the RNC. Pegler died when Palin was five years old, but by quoting him, she's obviously supportive of a man who expressed regret that an asssassination attempt against FDR didn't succeed, and in 1965 actually called for the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Does this sound "pro-American"?
And how about the head of McCain's transition team -- William Timmons? He actually lobbied for Saddam Hussein's interests at a time when our country was imposing sanctions on his. Would supporting our enemies be considered "pro-American"?
Bachmann may be onto something here about investigating the "anti-American" activities of certain people. But I don't think it's the liberals who are the problem. Perhaps we need to investigate Republicans.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:49 pmYou can't parse pure facism.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:49 pmColorado - please kick her out of Congress and send her to a place where her views of "patriotism" are more mainstream, like Burma, Uzbekastan or North Korea.
Errrr - Minnesota
October 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pmWe should form a committee. In the House, to ferret out this....this...unamerican activities. Let's call it the HUAC.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pmSo, if she has a 34% approval rating and 42% of the people say they will vote for her, that means that 8% of the people in Minnesota will vote for anyone, no matter how vile, as long as they have an "R" next to their name.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pmHere's the latest Republican dirty trick in voting:
Bradblog.com recommends that no one use the "straight ticket" option. They say you should choose every candidate you want to vote for. Why? Because flipping the "straight ticket" vote is much easier than flipping each and every vote.
I truly hope that Obama pushes for vote by mail for the entire country. That is the only way we will be able to take back our democracy and be sure that everyone is allowed to vote. They can still hack the machine that will count the votes, but at least there is proof of how you voted to if needed in a recount.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pmPete- as a fellow Minnesotan, I completely agree this nut is not representative of our state.
6th district includes the city of Anoka which, no offense to the people of Anoka, in my experience is the white-trash, racist capital of Minnesota. About ten years ago, they had a string of cross-burnings on AA peoples' lawns, spray painted swastikas on garage doors, etc.
October 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pmEven wackier than Michele Bachmann is that none of the major media think this is a HUGE story!
October 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm#7 satirev:
don’t know when Bachman’s up for re-election but I’m sure many Minnesota’ns right now will make sure that she’s ousted as soon as possible.
All house members are up for re-election every two years. She represents wacko RW Cris'shun farm country, and may be re-elected, but she doesn't represent Minnesota as a whole.
Cheers,
October 17th, 2008 at 7:01 pmIt is you, you Fascist Pig Michele Bachmann that has Anti-American views, you stupid fcuking skank.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm.
Let's start with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
Maybe she can explain how being anti-liberal is being pro-American.
Maybe she can explain how differing views are anti-American.
Maybe she can explain how dissent is anti-American.
Maybe she can explain how being anti-illegal war is being anti-American.
Maybe she can explain how being anti-TORTURE is being anti-American.
Maybe she can explain how being environmentally conscious is anti-American.
Maybe she can explain how the Suffragette movement of the past was anti-American and how she does not deserve the Right to vote because she is a woman, or hold Office because she is a woman, or that how she does not deserve equal pay because she is a woman, or that she does not have a say in the mechanics of her body because she is a woman.
Please, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), defend your statements!
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October 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pmThis lady believes that to be Pro-America you have to Republican. I don't think 'Pro-America' means what she thinks it means.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says
October 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Here’s the latest Republican dirty trick in voting:
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I agree that the "straight ticket" option should be abolished. Everywhere.
It gets confusing, because in Texas voting straight ticket and then casting a separate vote for the President will negate the vote.
However, here in North Carolina the opposite is true. Anyone voting straight ticket here MUST cast their vote for President separately, otherwise they will not have voted for President (the "straight ticket" option doesn't cover POTUS/VPOTUS).
And in California (where I lived before moving here), there is no "straight ticket" option at all.
Because e-mails can easily cross state lines (especially when they go viral), it would be easy for a cautionary (and accurate) message in North Carolina to create all kinds of havoc in Texas.
I refuse to vote straight ticket. I vote for each and every office separately, and I research all the candidates beforehand. Yes, the end result is often the same as if I voted straight ticket, but I've voted for some Republicans when I honestly thought that candidate would do a better job in that office.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmThis is the kind of hate the Crazy Shellies and Bible Spices feed.
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/greensboro_reporter_assaulted_at_rally
October 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pmIs Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)really this evil or is she auditioning for a job at Fox news because she can't get reelected?
all these extremist Fascist wingnuts are evil and dangerous including Fucx news which helps spew the fear, hate and racism that is tearing apart our nation of Freedom, Liberty and CHOICE.
get real, a US Senator anti-American????
October 17th, 2008 at 7:08 pmhow freakin sick is that?
Rep. Michele Bachmann, like most conservatives, is suffering from a mental illness. There is somethign wrong with a person who believes that conservatism is an ideal way to govern a country.
In fact, I will go so far as to say that Conservatism opposes American ideals and could, by extension, be considered anti-American. If anyone in Congress should be investigated for being anti-American, it's the conservatives.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pmI just listened to the piece on Hardball.
It's sad that today's republicans in government are as base and trivial and prurient as Michael Savage. No wonder so many of them have left the farm.
I hope her upscale suburban constituents are proud of her yokelbilly ranting - I'd say it's rather gauche, like the tacky lady with the mussed hair that's afraid Obama's a "muslin".
October 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pmBachmann, Mean Jean Schidt and Flalin; the 3 Mousketeers of the Repug party.
They must make all the Party Bigwig's sooooo f'ing proud!
October 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pmIn case anyone was wondering, this is what the outer "fringes" of the political world looks like.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pmLet me use my mentalist powers and predict who Hannity's guest will be tonight.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:14 pmThe only un-American activities I know of in this country today are the seemingly endless lies of the republicans. Lies for war. Lies for 9-11. Lies for elections, corruption, cronyism, contracts, etc. Lies about real Americans that choose to not believe their lies.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pmPatriotism isn't measured by the size of your lapel pin flag or whether or not you choose to wear one at all. Patriotism is honoring the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
she makes me want a hot dog.....reaal bad
lol
October 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pmupside99 Says: #63
Nice timing with the Freudian slip; Schmidt = "Schidt."
October 17th, 2008 at 7:18 pmYour version sounds more appropriate.
BTW. She attended an affiliate of Oral Roberts university. Her hubby is an alleged "therapist", educated at Regent University, who offers "Christian centered counseling" that includes, you guessed it, "curing the gay".
I have a feeling that, if either of them strayed into a legit psychiatric care facility, they would not be allowed to leave until they were stabilized with medication.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:20 pmAfter taking that big a swing at congressional democrats, her congressional affairs had better be squeaky clean, and fully transparent, or she could find herself a person of great interest by the new Justice Department.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:21 pmMr. Evil,
Glad you liked it. Kind of a German fecal thingie.
Heh Heh
October 17th, 2008 at 7:21 pmpete Says:
BTW. She attended an affiliate of Oral Roberts university.
Please, lord, not Rhema Bible College [crosses fingers].
October 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pmseriously, is she on meth? she has the whole can't concentrate for more than two seconds and hula jaw thing going on
October 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pmShe should be thanking liberals for being able to be where
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmshe is. Ha
Katrina Vanden Heuvel replies to this. Check the link in the Update area.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmMichele made the most of her three minutes, didn't she?
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmShe has Charles Manson eyes.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm"people usually associate with people who hold similar views"...well, according to this crazy skanks logic, she wants to elect a successionist into the vice presidency. afterall, mr palin was a card carrying member of the alaskan independence party for many, many years
October 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pmMichele Bachmann needs to be voted into an asylum for the criminally insane, not back to Capitol Hill. I think wearing a brown shirt with a "I <3 Joseph McCarthy" pin should always be a fashion no-no for any sane citizen.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm77 - most of them do.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pmafterall, mr palin was a card carrying member of the alaskan independence party for many, many years
And who knows what kind of treasonous pillow-talk passed between them, while they were busy making their anti-American brood?
October 17th, 2008 at 7:31 pmChris Matthews did an excellent job exposing Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) by dissecting the nature of her words with his questions. I am glad he has the chops to put her in proper historical context as I think it sheds some light on the current strategies of the McCain/Palin campaign. And I am going to be very glad to see Bachmann and her cohorts in the minority very soon (although it can't be soon enough).
October 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pm.
Is this how Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) puts Country first?
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October 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pmGov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) made similar comments at a fundraiser yesterday, saying that she loved to visit “pro-America” areas of the country
Guess that means she doesn't like Alaska ; and more specifically , her own home that her husband , an AIP member for years , resides in...........
October 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pmDoes Michele Bachmann know of a thing called YouTube and the internet? Or does she think her bubble is made of a metal hull?
October 17th, 2008 at 7:35 pmMichele Bachmann makes Sarah Palin actually look like a clear and lucid speaker. More so, mother of the year until death.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pm#53 satirev:
zuch: This sick woman needs to be unseated and fast.
Having grown up in Minnesnoter, I'm profoundly embarrassed by her (and Vin Weber and the other crazy wingnuts that tend to infest the countryside outside the Twin Cities).
I do hope she gets unseated.
But I'd note that this territory (rural Minnesnoter) is prime country for the RW Cris;shun foamers; I think that Operation Rescue had it's biggest following there, and you get the Posse Comitatus nun-guts down in the MN/WI border areas down south, and more such stuff. Why do they have to foul up a nice state like MInnesnoter ... but if they weren't there, they'd be stinking up some other place.
Yes, good riddance to them, and I hope she gets defeated.
Cheers,
October 17th, 2008 at 7:39 pmJust a quick note, McCarthy wasn't part of the HUAC, since as a senator he wasn't part of the house.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:40 pmIf nothing else, soon-to-be powerless congressional republicans can be depended upon to supply us with daily political theater.
As an energy-saving measure, the democrats should turn the lights off in congress after the official business day has concluded - leaving republicams nothing to record, as they try their crybaby, after-hours routine.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:41 pmLiberals created the United States of America. Conservatives didn't want to declare independence.
If anyone's un-American, they probably aren't rooted in the Declaration or the Constitution as liberals are.
Give me conservatism or give me death?
L I B E R T Y
October 17th, 2008 at 7:45 pmIt is synonymous with freedom,isn't it?
Can we please find out if Bachmann sat next to Glenn Beck in either high school or collegiate history classes.
Because they obviously read their own prescribed neocon texts, argued with the professors on entrenched, indisputable "liberal" facts and had someone else take their tests so they could pass the classes.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:46 pmI wonder about the Minnesotans that elected her. Are they as weird or weirder than she is? Are they as stupid as she is? Are they as twisted, warped and utterly disgusting as she is? Or maybe they fell victim, once again, to smear and fear ads. I hope they've awaken to their mistake and now see Michele Bachmann for the complete and total embarrassment that she is. Not only to Minnesotans or Americans, but to humanity itself.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:46 pmSweet Jebus, just read her wikipedia page.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pmtheir view : American = (White) Republican, Un-American = all else
Obviously, they have understood the concept of democracy...NOT.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:54 pmMr. Evil Says:
I wonder about the Minnesotans that elected her. Are they as weird or weirder than she is? Are they as stupid as she is? Are they as twisted, warped and utterly disgusting as she is? Or maybe they fell victim, once again, to smear and fear ads. I hope they’ve awaken to their mistake and now see Michele Bachmann for the complete and total embarrassment that she is. Not only to Minnesotans or Americans, but to humanity itself.
I can't talk for Minnesotans, but when I was in the doctor's office yesterday this older gentleman started talking politics with the receptionist who said she was going to vote for Obama. Then the guy started questioning her on why she was going to vote for Obama and she didn't really give him a solid answer, then in a condescending tone he said you shouldn't vote for Obama but look up the facts on him and then vote for McCain. Given the gentleman was very much overweight, old and sounded like a general a-hole, I think he has always been a Republican who uses the "I read the newspaper and listen to the local neocon radio...so I always know more that you" spiel.
Of course these thugs are afraid, they're about to get rolled on the national and certain state levels like a barrel off a cliff!
October 17th, 2008 at 7:56 pmThis fits in well with the same group of righwingers who want to lock up liberals or kill them depending on how many beers they have drunk.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:58 pmIt seems to me that she proved John Lewis's point.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:03 pm.
Why does Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) insist that Chris find out who in Congress are anti-American when it is she that is leveling the charges? Why should Chris prove Rep. Michele Bachmann's (R-MN) unsubstantiated charges against her own colleagues? Shouldn't she be the one to prove her case?
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October 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pmKrazny Says:
This fits in well with the same group of righwingers who want to lock up liberals or kill them depending on how many beers they have drunk.
Bachmann wants to give every Democrat on the Hill a lie detector test to determine if they're a patriot. But it would be blasphemy to even infer that McCain be given a psychological evaluation on his war imprisonment to determine his mental fitness as a leader.
If you want the gate to swing one way...
October 17th, 2008 at 8:05 pmThe people of Minnesota must be very proud of her.
I would venture to say that most of us are embarrassed by her. She is an abberation elected in an abberant election by an abberant Congressional district.
I truly do hope that those people up in Anoka way up and banish her in November. I drive through a part of her district every couple of weeks and am encouraged to see her lawn signs are outnumbered by her opponent's.
She is a "formula politician" just like McNumbNuts who has only two rules: (1) no new taxes! and (2) if you don't agree with me, you're un-American. No intellect, no curiosity, no substance. There you go. I have just made a one-minute thorough "penetrating investigation" of this empty skirt for you.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:06 pmMax-1 Says:
Why does Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) insist that Chris find out who in Congress are anti-American when it is she that is leveling the charges? Why should Chris prove Rep. Michele Bachmann’s (R-MN) unsubstantiated charges against her own colleagues? Shouldn’t she be the one to prove her case?
Michele obviously didn't get the RNC memo that the media doesn't cooperate with the party, but she's determined to make people like Chris Matthew's dance like a marionette to her anti-everyone-but-us musings.
I guess she adds the Rev. Jones Kool Aid to her coffee every morning.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pmGo to talkingpointsemeo.com for the complete interview. It runs 4:14. I have never seen anything so surreal as this wingnut going off like she does.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:11 pmFor those in MN:Is there ANYONE running against here with a chance in hell of tossing her out of her seat?
Her doctor really needs to put her on better medication...
October 17th, 2008 at 8:18 pmA minor correction, Jim. The interview is, at least 7 minutes and is available on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESdA52S4Dbg
October 17th, 2008 at 8:19 pm"I fear for my country"? That was the best Katrina could do? A better response would have been,
October 17th, 2008 at 8:21 pm"Hey Bachmann, I'll meet you out back after this is over and then I'll beat you like the psycho Repub rug you are."
How is this woman in Congress??? What district does she represent, that must be filled with some real idiots
October 17th, 2008 at 8:22 pmI didn't think to look on youtube Pete. Thanks!
October 17th, 2008 at 8:23 pmElwin Tinklenberg is running against her. The campaign is just getting underway. Without any debates and only limited advertising on his part, he is trailing 42/38%. I suspect that he will overtake her handily (unless the RNC kidnaps and gags her for the next two and a half weeks).
She is a total whack job. She and Failin' Palin . . . "separated at birth".
October 17th, 2008 at 8:25 pmI'll say this. After what I saw on Josh's site, I don't know if I could stomach another 3+ minutes of this whackjob's blathering. Like I said before, what I saw was just surreal.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:27 pmPerhaps the actual anti-American activities that should be investigated are Bachmann's and the rest of the right wing whacko fringe.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:29 pmYou're welcome Jim. I got the link from here:
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
Here's the response. Even Pat Buchanan disagrees with Crazy Shelly.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2008/10/katrina-vanden-heuvel-responds-to.html
October 17th, 2008 at 8:31 pmGo ahead and have your hearings, Michelle. In the basement, remember?
October 17th, 2008 at 8:32 pmWhat a suprise. When I tried to send her E-mail this is what I found:
Due to email volume, Representative Bachmann will only be able to answer emails from Minnesota's 6th district. Please enter your zip code below for verification
What a chicken
October 17th, 2008 at 8:34 pmlurker, I believe most if not all reps and senators do this. You can still call or send snailmail.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:41 pmI've tried that too, lurker. Though I haven't tried to simply enter a zip code from about 2 miles away.
And, if you can stomach any more of her, she had a pretty embarrasing performance on Larry King. Check out when she gets slapped down while she's on the split screen at around the 5:00 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Am0ZEzA5XA&feature=related
October 17th, 2008 at 8:43 pmmichelle bachmann.
katherine harris.
sarah palin.
jean schmidt.
republican girls gone wild.
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$19.95+s&p.
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October 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pmI don't know if this'll work -->
If not, try this (it's Elwin "looking for Crazy Shelley") --> http://www.tinklenberg08.com/haveyouseenher.html
October 17th, 2008 at 8:47 pmalcyone Says: Some useless drivel. Not even a good try. You only embarrass yourself. Crawl back under your rock.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:53 pmI was wrong about debates. There was one yesterday. Here are the candidates' closing arguments --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_HEDjEV-4
October 17th, 2008 at 8:57 pmYeah right, stupid troll. The complete interview is worse but, it's no worse than Crazy Shelly's usual fare. Hiding in the bushes to spy on a gay rights rally. Screaming "assault" when a Democrat followed her into a bathroom. Comitting a sexual asault on Chimpy after the SOU address. Sponsoring legislation to "save the incandescent light bulb". Heck! I could go on for days.
The woman is certifiable. Just like her heroes in the GOP.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:58 pmBTW. There's no amount of editing that could make her look sane. One look is all it takes to realize she's bat-scat nuts.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:59 pmIs she related to kath harris?
October 17th, 2008 at 9:01 pmFair point. The unedited interview (7 minutes) doesn't make Rep. Bachmann look any better than the edited version does.
Are you saying that the editing altered the meaning of her words?
Another fair point. Except for this; Michelle Bachmann uses McCarthyist rhetoric to impugn the motives and patriotism of her congressional colleagues without being willing to offer any evidence of the views she says they hold.
The host tried to dig up "facts" (i. e. what Michelle Bachmann actually meant by her rambling, delusional tirade) but the subject of the interview was unable to express anything but vague suspicions based on insignificant associations. No statements from any of those she accused, nothing.
Are you saying that there are actually "facts" about the "anti-American views" of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid out there to be found?
In the sense that you emphasize -- a government-run investigation -- you are correct. But there is also the perspective that, like Joe McCarthy, Rep. Bachmann seeks an investigation into what she terms "anti-American views" that she claims are held by members of the US government. Besides, since the headline is a subjective characterization of the congresswoman's message, then it cannot be a "lie" since a lie requires an objective truth. Had you stuck with "misleading" you might have had an argument. It wouldn't have been a strong argument, but it would have been valid. Unfortunately, you overshot and now look foolish.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:08 pmalcyone Says:
The fact still remains that “McCarthy-like” is a lie.
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can you elaborate?
would you still vote for her?
:)
October 17th, 2008 at 9:09 pmalcyone, your grasp of the nuances of the English language are horrendously feeble.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:10 pmtom Says: #117
That was funny. I just hope the people of their district have a sense of humor too and realize that she's missing in more ways than one and vote for him. You know, a real human being.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pmDon't hold all of us Minnesotans to account for this loon. She comes from a particularly yuppie, mostly suburban-exurban well-to-do district north of the Twin Cities.
Though I will say it is sad to see how many mindless drones there are like her in the suburbs here. But I assure you, many of us in the state have been disgusted that she could even win an election here.
I'm old enough to remember when this was a solidly progressive state, mostly Democrat but even the Republicans that succeeded here used to be progressive relative to the party in general.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pmWell, I happen to be a "small town" Minnesotan. I live in a town of less than 1300 people and I do believe I am very hard working and very patriotic. I don't think that automatically makes me brain dead. There are many of us "evil liberals" up here in the back wood and we just don't cotton to crazy a** rich b*tch Sarah wanna-be's defining our entire state.
It's getting very scary out there folks. These republicans are just down right desperate. I'm honestly becoming afraid of what's to come.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pmRepublicans, to put it simply, campaign and govern on fear, breakdown, division and destruction. They have nothing to offer with regards to ideas and innovation, building and creating, moving forward and progressing. They missed school the day 'leading by example' was taught.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:26 pmBachman is plain crazy. Who are the people in Minnesote who voted for this woman? I can't get my head around this demographic. I've looked at maps, I've read websites, and I can't figure out how people living so close to Minneapolis/St. Paul could be fooled by her. Do you not have newspapers and the internet up there? Geez. What a loon--of course she loves Sarah--she is Sarah.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:29 pmSkepticRising Says:
Perhaps the actual anti-American activities that should be investigated are Bachmann's and the rest of the right wing whacko fringe.
For real!
They should have started an investigation on the kkk and other racist potholes who attend repugs' rallies. It amazes me, that it took the progressive blogs to call attention to these dangerous rabid racist. repugs actually believe it's normal to have these types of idiots in their audiences. (the dems have 3x as many people in their audiences and I don't hear dems yelling out racist rants)
Meanwhile the repugs are whipping up a blue-stain voter fraud bs. Signing up aliases happens whether people sign-up in person or on-line, or by mail. It justs happens.
Why don't the repugs recount the votes properly when the votes are in questioned?
Why don't the repugs play fair after the ballots have been casted?
This is another mcchimpy j0e-the-blunder trick.
repugs must honor their subpoenas.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:32 pm#132, she used her evangelical mega church as a pulpit for one. She beat out Patty Wetterling (a tireless child advocate) for the job. It's the church thing, IMHO. There are many of these mega churches in the metro area and I think that's where she got most of her support in the last election. This time, I'm hoping, not so much.
I don't live in her district so I can't speak with any great authority but, there is HEAVY religion in all of the areas she represents. Particularly in the St. Cloud area.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pmI just donated to the Tinklenberg campaign. I have also called her office repeatedly.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:49 pmHer inbox is full.
Awaiting moderation hmmmmm????
Oh, and she got the p*enis vote.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:49 pmHR 1955/ HR 1959 opened the door for the McCarthy-ism v2.0.
These misguided souls have State Secrets mixed up with Domestic Terrorism, all neatly wrapped in an Oath of Office breaking president.
Bachmann clearly wants civil war where currently citizens are passive. It would give the perfect reason to use NorthCom.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pmYou're absolutely right, Trixie. She was a surprise entry who blindsided the incumbent (I can't recall his name) with a huge mass of "True Christian" delegates at the convention. He never knew what hit him.
She then received massive support from the RNC and Patty Wetterling, bless her heart, just didn't have the resources, or temperament, to put up much of a fight against Crazy Shelly and a third party.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pmBTW. I've already posted some links but, for any who are interested, here's another for Dumpbachmann.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2008/10/welcome-daily-kos-visitors.html
October 17th, 2008 at 10:02 pmLooking at the republican ladies from Florida, Minnesota and Alaska - what is it about ladies in the repub party ?
October 17th, 2008 at 10:02 pm1954 called.
they want their ultra right-wing, quasi-fascist, drunkard back...
...in its casket.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:03 pmI was alive during the McCarthy hearings, and this Bachmann is classic Fascism in the mold of Tail-Gunner Joe. She is very dangerous, so perhaps we should see some Saturday Night Live with her as the parody.
However, I do not find Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and Biden to be Classic Liberals or Progressives. I think they are Left-Leaning Corporatists.
So it begs the question. What is better for our country Corporate Feudalists or Corporate Leftists?
Both vote for War, Surveillance, Drilling, In favor of banks and credit companies, lie about Russia, and vote to extort the American Middle Class with a phony bailout?
OK, so you will get legal abortion, and maybe some environmental protection when Obama becomes president. But wait until the derivatives hits the food supply, as it is looking for new victims after the oil price scam. They all know the system is in collapse, and heaving more credit without manufacturing will lead down the same path.
Does Archer Daniels Midland come to mind? Do a search, and see who is funding big time.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:06 pmWhen Patty Wetterling couldn't get though the muck, it made me lose all faith that an honest, ordinary person could ever serve in government again. She has devoted her life to children and preventing terrible things ever happening to any of them. If she couldn't make it, how can any of us "ordinary" citizens ever? She had FAR more legislative experience (check the "Jacob Wetterling Act") than Crazy Shelly and she still lost. Sad times, bad times and I fear the worst is yet to come.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:07 pmI would love to hear just what exactly Michelle Bachmann considers American.
I've heard what is anti-American, Michelle. But what, to you, is American?
I'd like to know.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:13 pmCalling me unpatriotic and accusing me of not loving my country?
Them's are fightin words.I'd like to see somebody this pathetic and scummy say it to my face.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pmalcyone Says:
What I saw in the full version was her calling for the press to look into some things in Obama’s past that I also think people have a right to know about someone running for president.
The press isn’t doing their job if they don’t look into it. Right now, anyone who asks quesions is either labled a racist or categorized in with Fox news.
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Hmmmm... two things wrong here:
1. alcyone seems to think his opinion matters to the rest of us.
2. "The press isn't doing their job if..." Good Lord... Obama has been campaigning for the last year and half. He's been scrutinized back and forth, up and down so many times you couldn't possibly count 'em all, even if you took off BOTH shoes and socks.
I can't imagine anyone on the planet who gets a more thorough going over by the press than a POTUS candidate. And after 18 months and PLUS of this sort of attention, you STILL think we better look into the man's background?
F-in' ridiculous... and smacks of desperation.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:16 pmalpuz3 doncha know???? Pro-"life", anti-gay, free market for profits but socialism for losses. Get with the program why doncha????
October 17th, 2008 at 10:16 pmOh, I forgot to say one more thing. I have never and will never strike a lady. This creep is no lady. She's as bad as any dictator who has ever lived.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:18 pmHaving trouble connecting dots, stupid troll? The "McCarthy-like" part is her accusation that "libruls" and "leftists" in Congress should be investigated for "unamerican" activities.
Regardless of who she wants to do the investigating, she uses the exact same language as the ol' tail-gunner. It doesn't matter what group is conducting a witch hunt. It's still a witch hunt and has no place in a free society.
Her implication is that anyone who isn't a far-right radical, like herself, is suspect. And that is "unamerican". Americans don't stifle dissent, we negotiate. We rise above philosophical differences and work together for the common good. Or, at least, we used to.
Sadly Crazy Shelly, and her ilk, insist on making enemies of people who disagree with them, their Faiths, or their party. She's as wrong as she can be. She's divisive, ignorant, offensive, and just plain wrong.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:20 pmIt's the same thing as the rabid creationists, TRoS. No matter how much evidence one produces, like the scrutiny of Obama for example, they simply shove their fingers in their ears, close their eyes, and say "nuh-uh".
In fact, I often wonder if the irrational behavior of Reichwhiners is caused by them sticking their fingers so far in their ears that they suffer brain damage.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:23 pmSo right Pete, so right. I wish I could recommend you 1000 times!
October 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pmPlease don't lump all Minnesotans together with that district... Zooey's from Idaho, right? She isn't a repub but most of Idaho folks are.
Believe it or not some people do not care to follow current events and instead pursue other interests. Most people could not find Iraq on a map even with relatively good schools. Religion and fear can be very important and exploited politically... Bachmann did that and won a PLURALITY not a majority (it still counts but it wasn't a rout by any means). And obviously before having any reponsibility she SEEMED more capable and less idiotic.
But she's going down now, Elwyn Tinklenberg has the Dem and ind. endorsements without a lot of baggage, oh and he actually shows up for debates. At this rate she could easily pull less than in 2006 and Mr. T can combine most of the votes Bachmann didn't get last time.
BTW it's Franken though he was introduced as Franklin last night by some doofus. It might be the closest Senate race, that or Mississippi.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pmA small point but, she didn't stop at Sen Obama. She clearly implied that anyone who's "too librul" should be investigated.
And Trixie. You forgot "white, evangelical, Psychochristians(TM)".
October 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pmpete Says:
No matter how much evidence one produces, like the scrutiny of Obama for example, they simply shove their fingers in their ears, close their eyes, and say “nuh-uh”.
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It's called "Extreme Desperation" and it's going to continue to spiraling right up to 11/4. You can pretty much expect a non-stop barrage of "Ayers/ACORN/Muslim" nonsense from here on in, 24/7.
The righties' pointy little heads are going to spin harder and faster until they finally 'splode in a puff of greasy smoke come the morning after.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:28 pmThank you Trixie. I do what my limited means allow.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pmDon't underestimate the stuffy conservative candidates, preaching that government is a spoiled immature teenager spending wildly with no family values and it's time for a stern talk or spanking, only to use their "teen" as an accomplice for crime. Somehow they even walk the line of bringing church in, when MOST churches don't like gov't or politics but some do want all Christian laws.
49.99% of Americans are of below average intelligence and most vote.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
It’s called “Extreme Desperation” and it’s going to continue to spiraling right up to 11/4. You can pretty much expect a non-stop barrage of “Ayers/ACORN/Muslim” nonsense from here on in, 24/7.
You got that right, TRoS. If the stakes were not so high I would enjoy the humor. Who am I kidding? I love the humor anyway!
And watching the rabid Reichwhiners turn on each other, as their perverted dreams are shattered, will truly be a pleasure.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:33 pmalcyone Says:
The nutcase preacher is beyond explaining away and shows bad judgment on Obama’s part. Someone trying to defend Obama told me that “he took his kids to church” and I told them that he should have his kids taken away, then let Jesse Jackson do what he wanted to do so Barack couldn’t have any more.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
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Please explain to me what Reverend Wright said that was so bad. Seriously. He criticized the United States for a legacy of racism and inequality. What's wrong with that?
October 17th, 2008 at 10:34 pmTrixie, I think I know. I'd just like to hear what these blathering fools think is American. I think that would be a great question. We have heard what is anti-American... who the terrorists are... blah de Blah to the Blah.
But, what, to them, is American?
October 17th, 2008 at 10:37 pmalcyone Says:
And you have no grasp of the obvious, LiberalVoter.
joe cantwell Says:
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alcyone Says:
The fact still remains that “McCarthy-like” is a lie.
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can you elaborate?
would you still vote for her?
I don’t know anything about her other than this one video so I can’t say about voting for her. What I saw in the full version was her calling for the press to look into some things in Obama’s past that I also think people have a right to know about someone running for president.
The press isn’t doing their job if they don’t look into it. Right now, anyone who asks quesions is either labled a racist or categorized in with Fox news.
Bill Aires may or may not be a story but I was around in the 60s and remember the Weather Underground…they did not play well with others. If it is no story, then it is no story. Tell me the facts and I’ll decide if it’s important.
The nutcase preacher is beyond explaining away and shows bad judgment on Obama’s part. Someone trying to defend Obama told me that “he took his kids to church” and I told them that he should have his kids taken away, then let Jesse Jackson do what he wanted to do so Barack couldn’t have any more.
McCarthy used the government to investigate people both in government and civilians. He was an anti-communist wacko who saw Stalin behind every tree and movie camera, and used his government power to destroy them.
There is a huge differenct between asking the media to do their job, and using the government to destroy people. That’s why I say the headline on this thread is a lie.
Here is just a bit on the civilian side of McCarthyism involving the now infamous “black listing” in Hollywood.
http://www.moderntimes.com/blacklist/
“It was the later HUAC hearings of March 1951 lead by John S. Wood (D— Georgia), and the 1952 Internal Security subcommittee headed my Senator Pat McCarran that the “naming—of—names” became the watch words. By 1951, Joseph R. McCarthy was in full blossom. The entire country, Congress, and the Truman administration share equally in what was to come. It was from these latter hearings in Washington and in Hollywood, that the infamous BLACKLIST evolved. By that time, and as a direct result of these more recent hearings, more than 324 people had been fired by the studios and were no longer permitted to work in the Motion Picture Industry, none more pathetic than actor Larry Parks. Parks literally begged the committee not to force him to his knees.”
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so your support for her
is, shall we say, weak?
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October 17th, 2008 at 10:40 pmThe stupid troll can't do that, hussein toasterhead. He thinks that Reichwhiners only look bad after selective editing and non-Reichwhiners are guilty by default. At least, that would make sense of his defense of the indefensible Crazy Shelly.
Unlike us, he accepted the verdict of the "librul media" rather than actually watching the "offensive" comments in context. Heck! I bet he refuses to believe, though it's been widely reported, that the "chickens coming home to roost" rant was actually a quote of a white former ambassador.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
So it begs the question. What is better for our country Corporate Feudalists or Corporate Leftists?
Both vote for War, Surveillance, Drilling, In favor of banks and credit companies, lie about Russia, and vote to extort the American Middle Class with a phony bailout?
October 17th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
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You're right. What we have is, to a large extent, a false choice. I know that. Most of us leftists know that. The choice between Obama and McCain is indeed a choice between two parties owned and operated by corporate entities. I wish voting for McKinney or Nader was a viable option, but unfortunately, it's a two-party system.
That's why we don't view this election as the end result of our struggle. It's the beginning.
We need to take our country back from the corporate masters who control it, no matter who gets appointed President this year. We need to restore our democracy, repair our nation's reputation, and yank this country back to sanity.
It seems to me that that'll be easier to accomplish under an Obama/Biden administration rather than a McCain/Rove administration.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:49 pmsinge_101 Says: Believe it or not some people do not care to follow current events and also pursue other interests.
Uh-hem, as a fellow Minnesotan, if you're not able to follow politics AND pursue other interests, that's your unfortunate problem. And to make negative comments about Zooey who has NOTHING but kind words to say for any poster (no matter how stupid their comments are.....well, besides the trolls) is, well, pitiful.
I'll consider the source now whenever I encounter you comments here.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:50 pmAbsolutly nothing toasterhead. It is a wedge issue with the right, like flag burning. they pretend to love America while destroying it from the inside.
It is something they can stir people's emotions with and decry somone as not being patriotic.
The method wears thin with everyone in America apparantly.
It's the love it or leave it mentality from the 60's. Don't try to point out any flaws, if you do you are un-American.
Don't try to make the country better by saying there is anything wrong with it as it is.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pmRachel Maddow is reporting that Crazy Shelly's opponent has received $30,000 in contributions since her shameful display.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/2008/10/rachel-maddow-on-bachmann.html
October 17th, 2008 at 10:53 pmFred Says:
It’s the love it or leave it mentality from the 60’s. Don’t try to point out any flaws, if you do you are un-American.
Don’t try to make the country better by saying there is anything wrong with it as it is.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
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And that's the root of Palin's comments about Obama and Ayers - criticizing the United States equals terrorism.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:57 pmUm, Trixie? I wouldn't presume to speak for singe_101 but, I don't think he/she was accusing Zooey and was commenting on the sad fact that many voters don't educate themselves before they cast their votes.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pmalpuz3 Says:
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Trixie, I think I know. I’d just like to hear what these blathering fools think is American. I think that would be a great question. We have heard what is anti-American… who the terrorists are… blah de Blah to the Blah.
But, what, to them, is American?
Alrighty then, what is American? (or to clarify for the profoudly stupid, what is a United States Citizen?)
1. Someone who respects the U.S. Constitution.
2. Someone who respects the rights of all U.S. Citizens.
3. Someone who repects the rights of persons held in our custody under the Geneva Conventions.
4. Someone who understands the PURPOSE of our founding fathers in creating a NEW union, one that does not represent oppression of its people.
I've got more, but I'll let it go with that. How exactly has republican rule led us any closer to these ideals? I'll anxiously wait for your response.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:05 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
Noone is unAmerican. Republicans hate Dems and vice versa. Republicans, however, like to give our jobs away and enrich third world countries that produce terrorists.
October 17th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
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Right. That is, if by "enrich" you mean make a few third-world country leaders rich while keeping their populations in extreme poverty.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pmwill they have wireless for my laptop at the internment camp? i'd like to be able to continue posting here at TP when we all get shipped off for our anti-american views.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pm#170, thanks Pete, after re-reading, I went off on a bad tangent. Thanks for correcting my error. And sorry singe_101.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:09 pmalcyone, the last desperate troll. Not smart enough to know.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:11 pmI'm gonna have to whatever ya on your bullshit ace. Obama has been transparent. it is mccain and palen that hide. Where are mccains medical records.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:17 pmWhy wont palen talk?
why, why, why?
Trixie, I'm asking what is American to Michelle Bachmannn.
From what I have read, I think I have an idea what she believes is unAmercian. But, to those who helped her get elected and the fine folks at Regent University who seem to have connections to her campaign I'd like to know what exactly is American.
If she is going to ramble on about anti Americanism, I'd like to know what exactly, to her and her supporters, constitutes Americanism.
That's all.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:17 pmSee Germany 1933
October 17th, 2008 at 11:20 pmSigh...
I, for one, am satisfied with Sen Obama's answers re Ayers.
1. Ayers hosted an event that featured Obama.
2. They were appointed to the same charity board.
3. Ayers is not affiliated with the campaign in any way.
4. There has been no apparent contact between the two since, I believe, 2002.
5. Obama has condemned Ayers criminal activities in the strongest terms.
6. Prof Ayers shows every sign of having renounced violence and established himself as an extraordinary citizen.
And, in case you missed it, that famous quote that Flippy and Chippy throw out there? "I wish we had done more"? Remember that one. Well, if one reads the interview one will clearly see that that quote was an expression of frustration that they were not able to stop the war in Vietnam. He did not say "I wish we had BOMBED more". In fact, he clarified his statement whenhe was called out.
Any other questions?
October 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pmyeah, Fred. But I'd like to hear it from her. Know what I mean?
October 17th, 2008 at 11:21 pmo'reilly surrogate.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:24 pmAnd I can't answer that alpuz3. She boggles my mind too. I apologize for my knee jerk (huge jerk on my part). I honestly don't know what makes her tick, It's her followers who scare me and I made the mistake of thinking you were one of them and I am very sorry.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:28 pmalcyone Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
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1. alcyone seems to think his opinion matters to the rest of us.
2. “The press isn’t doing their job if…” Good Lord… Obama has been campaigning for the last year and half. He’s been scrutinized back and forth, up and down so many times you couldn’t possibly count ‘em all, even if you took off BOTH shoes and socks.
F-in’ ridiculous… and smacks of desperation.
LMAO, still living up to your name I see. Do you think I could care one way or the other what you think of my opinion? Probably about half as much as you care about what I think of your opinion.
I’m not desperate because I’m retired, not running for office, and whoever wins the next election will probably not effect me one way or another.
If he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there? The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
Well, I never “felt this thrill going up my leg” the way Chris Matthews’ apparently did. I still can’t imagine Matthews being stupid enough to say anything like that on air….but then, he’s an MSNBC “news” anchor so I guess I can imagine him being that stupid….or biased LMAO
From the vast right wing conspiracy at Huffington Post:
“Last night during MSNBC’s Potomac Primary coverage, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were discussing Barack Obama’s speech. Matthews — who, in the past, has both cried over an Obama speech and compared him to Jesus…”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2008/ 02/ 13/ chris-matthews-i-felt-t_n_86449.html
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so you don't support michelle.
do you live in a part of america
that is not "pro america"?
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October 17th, 2008 at 11:30 pmI listened to her speak in the vidio at the top of the thread. It's pretty clear to me.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pmIf he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there? The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
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spell check is so easy.
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October 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pmCrazy Shelly's insanity actually breached the surface in the, usually friendly, local media. Plus...
Bible Spice, allegedly, told reporters "I know Obama loves America." Anybody think she won't get a bunch of flack if she says that at a rally?
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=527220&catid=14
October 17th, 2008 at 11:34 pmNo worries, Trixie. She has bugged the living hell out of me for a while. I'm just as knee jerk as you these days. But, for once, I would love the religious right to straight up spell out to the American public, just what it is that constitutes an American in their eyes.
They seem to screech and sputter about what they see as unAmerican, but just what is it that is American?
I wish someone w/ some sort of influence would ask.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:35 pmYou're not a very good troll. those guys aint runnin and they aint 72 years old and that's only one example of mccain not releasing relevant info while Obama has been totally open and above board.
Why all the secrets in the mccain camp? Why the silent treatment with the purported vp?
You got nothing but crap.
You suck at this.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:36 pmFred Says:
alcyone Says:
Hopefully McCain’s Military and Medical records are not in the same place Bill Clinton’s medical records and john F kerry’s military records are. If they are, you will never see them.
You’re not a very good troll. those guys aint runnin and they aint 72 years old and that’s only one example of mccain not releasing relevant info while Obama has been totally open and above board.
Why all the secrets in the mccain camp? Why the silent treatment with the purported vp?
You got nothing but crap.
You suck at this.
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October 17th, 2008 at 11:39 pmalpuz3 Says:
Sorry if I seem abrupt. The right is never going to level with you.....it's called doublespeak.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:39 pmalcyone?
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October 17th, 2008 at 11:40 pmThanks for your kindness alpuz3, I'd like to hear the answer too. As well as what the definition of "victory in Iraq" is.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pmjoe cantwell Says:
so you don’t support michelle.
do you live in a part of america
that is not “pro america”?
October 17th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
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What, like Alaska?
October 17th, 2008 at 11:44 pmWhy is it that every time Bachmann opens her silly mouth and spews idiotic ideas all the people in Minnesota are blamed? No nut cases in your states? You're sounding as crazy as she and McCain and Palin are. Get real. Any one here in Minneosta who has a brain (and yes we aren't all crazy brainless hicks) loathes the woman. Try to remember that Paul Wellstone represented us. There was no one better or smarter.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:44 pmalcyone,
you're retired.
you have time
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October 17th, 2008 at 11:45 pmWELLSTONE!
October 17th, 2008 at 11:46 pmme too, Trixie.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:47 pmShelley Turd Bachmann just made her last circle around the toilet bowl. If she is re-elected somebody needs to do an investigation of the people who vote for somebody with such Un-American views. My advice to her is get back to the church and shut the F up.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:48 pmalcyone
I've had a couple of drinks so I'm going to ask the obvious quesion of you.
Please explain these so called town hall meetings. It makes it sound like the entire community is meeting with mccain but in truth it is by invitation only.....what's up with that ace?
They even put the reporters in a pen and won't even let them interview the invited guests....why?
October 17th, 2008 at 11:48 pmIf he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there? The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
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Pay attention, troll, and go read.... you can read can't you? Perhaps you missed the fact that *EVERY* person who has run for office against Obama has tried making this association stick. Each time it has been debunked in the press and by everyone who knows the story. This has gone on for years, and been vetted over and over again. What amazes me is that the "liberal" media keeps rehashing this and other thoroughly debunked stories, but none of them pays anywhere near as much attention to McCains ties with the same people (look up the Annenbergs and who else was on that same school board), the fact that McCains campaign is 100% lobbyists and Gdubya insiders, McCains associations with G.G. Liddy, Palins ties to SECESSIONISTS, ad nauseum. The media can't even get the Acorn issue reported factually (all of the registrations in question WERE IDENTIFIED AND GIVEN TO THE GOVERNMENT BY *ACORN* AS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW) because that would undermine the repubs fear mongering.
Liberal media. Yeah Right.
Stop getting your headlines from faux noise and go look this stuff up yourself... and get the facts for yourself.
You have a choice, you can educate yourself (and I've given you some clues where to start), or enslave yourself. Pick one.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:48 pmI'll take a stab at what they think makes one an American. It's a pretty short but very exclusive list.
1. The person they see in the mirror.
2. Their immediate families, assuming none of their kids are unique individuals.
3. Their preachers and other church elders.
4. Some of their neighbors and members of the congregation.
5. Fat pricks with (R) after their names.
But the big one that never fails is, people who are even stupider than them. If you want to whip a Reichwhiner into a frenzy, prove that you are smarter than they are.
So, considering the level of intelligence displayed by Bible Spice and Crazy Shelly (Doesn't that sound like a 70's made for TV movie?), I would guess that they are convinced they are the only True Americans(TM). And I'm sure they have private, paranoid, doubts about each other.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:53 pmI must have missed something. I don't think anyone is blaming the good people of minnesota, just those that voted for bachman.
I live in the reddest of red states so I feel your pain. I don't feel responsible for my ignorant respresentatives that are the most despicable of republicans....I didn't vote for them........
If it makes you feel better, I'm from Oklahoma......so your problem is no worse than mine. In fact.......
October 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pmACORN has 10 times the integrity of the entire GOP. Obama is standing up to these GOP thugs and criminals, now that they have tipped their hand.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pmTawdry, I live right across the border from Minnesota. My Dads side of the family is from St Paul. I personally love the place. I grew up spending a few weeks in July north of Brainerd. I have a soft spot for The Glockenspiel, and the Saints. I once dated a beautiful girl who attended St Cloud State.
Bachmann needs to come clean. I'd love to hear what she believes is truly the American way.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pmnomodubya Says:
That's what I'm talking about.....carry on my friend.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:58 pmAs a Minnesotan I feel your pain, Tawdry. However, I find myself saying "who elected that jackass", every time some nut like Crazy Shelly opens their mouth and I think it's a perfectly reasonable question. I don't think most people believe the voters of Minnesota are drooling idiots, though I can understand how one could get that impression. And, lets face it, she makes our State, our Nation, and our species look bad.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:02 amChris rock said he wasn't afraid of al kaieda, he's more afraid of al cracker.
Michele Bachmann is al cracker.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 amInteresting Read on Fascists, Communists, and Corporatists:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13601
October 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am"If he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there?"
The only reason that there are "questions" about Ayers, despite the fact that, as nomodubya says, the story has been debunked and explained again and again over the past 18+ months, is because the Rs strategy is to repeat the idea that because they're "not satisfied with Obama's explanation", therefore "there must be more to the story." They're just trying to keep the question open in their followers' empty minds. Of course, they would never be "satisfied" with any explanation from Obama, or any evidence, or even a pronouncement from their god, that Obama isn't "pallin' around" with Ayres. (They also haven't given any definition of what they think "pallin' around" entails: do they go golfing together, or out to bars every weekend, for instance?)
October 18th, 2008 at 12:12 amMean Jean Schmidt:
Rep. Jean Schmidt is marginally behind Democrat Democrat Victoria Wulsin by 3 points, 45%-48%.
Won't it be wonderful to clean out all this scum. Get rid of Schmidt, Bachman and a few other loony representatives. And then get rid of Mitch McConnell. That would be the icing on the cake.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:25 amalcyone Says:
LMAO, still living up to your name I see. Do you think I could care one way or the other what you think of my opinion? Probably about half as much as you care about what I think of your opinion.
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Gee, then why do insist on coming here and sharing your opinion?
Over and over and over and over and over again?
As far as LYAO... be careful, bounce it on the floor too hard and you'll end up w/ a nosebleed...
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I’m not desperate because I’m retired, not running for office, and whoever wins the next election will probably not effect me one way or another.
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Then again, why do you waste your precious time coming here to tell us all about it? Me'thinks thou does't protest too much.
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If he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there?
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Again, it's true because it's your PERSONAL opinion.
Wow... you're really important.
And if you really aren't desperate and don't care, why do you feel compelled to come here and tell us all about it? And do you think Sarah Palin should be investigated more too? After all, she's the one who refuses to do unscripted news conferences. And her husband has been known to both meddle in State business and "pal around' w/ some distinctly unpatriotic types up there in Alaska... or are you unconcerned w/ that too?
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The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
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Hyperbole on your part. Look up the word.
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Well, I never “felt this thrill going up my leg” the way Chris Matthews’ apparently did. I still can’t imagine Matthews being stupid enough to say anything like that on air….but then, he’s an MSNBC “news” anchor so I guess I can imagine him being that stupid….or biased LMAO
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No one here takes Chris Matthews seriously, especially after the way he went on and on about Fred Thompson's manly scent and Mitt Romney's shoulders to die for.
Is that all you've got? One media hack makes a fool of himself, and we're all dupes... because you say so???
Some of the others here are right... you're not very good at this.
Be careful LYOA... I'd hate to see you knock a tooth loose.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:27 amKatrina Vanden Heuvel's statement was very strong. I agree with her.
I fear for my country.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:27 amShe compared it to facism and she said that she didn't do that lightly.....
October 18th, 2008 at 12:34 amEnough fun for one night.
G'night good people.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:35 amYou too trolls.
alcyone Says:
If he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there? The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
The press has thoroughly investigated Obama's association with Ayres. Don't you remember them clamoring for the Annengerg records, which Obama asked to be released?
The problem is the answers the press has found are not the answers McNasty and the Republicans are looking for. Too bad so sad.
alcyone Says:
The nutcase preacher is beyond explaining away and shows bad judgment on Obama’s part. Someone trying to defend Obama told me that “he took his kids to church” and I told them that he should have his kids taken away, then let Jesse Jackson do what he wanted to do so Barack couldn’t have any more.
So, please tell us what you think about Palin's preacher who is a witch hunter? What do you think about Palin's association with the AIP whose founder has said things way more hateful about this country than Wright ever did? Please tell us, if the MSM is in the tank for Obama, they have been avoiding these Palin "inconvenient truths"?
Of course I don't expect an intelligent answer to these questions since there is no cure for stuipid.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:35 amsee ya soon Pete....
October 18th, 2008 at 12:36 amalcyone Says:
The nutcase preacher is beyond explaining away and shows bad judgment on Obama’s part. Someone trying to defend Obama told me that “he took his kids to church” and I told them that he should have his kids taken away, then let Jesse Jackson do what he wanted to do so Barack couldn’t have any more.
You do know, of course, that children who go to church usually end up in Sunday school. And you do know, since it has been widely publicized, that Obama did not attend the one sermon the MSM played 24x7. You also know that out of 30 years of sermons they were only able to come up with two or three cuts that were in any way controversial? But of course you don't know any of these things because you are someone with such low ego strength you have to get your beliefs from watching Fox News. You have zero ability for independent thought.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:38 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Hey brain, I read justin too occationally. This is over the top though. The republicans are doing far more outrageous things. Additionally, taking someone to court is not the same as yelling kill him or he is un american.
Taking someone to court is the American way....it is our only recourse in many cases. Please don't act like it is the same as what bachman suggests for democrats, etc.
From your link.
I contend that it is not even close to the most outrageous act of government intimidation in any time period. Taking people to court for slander is not the same as the mcarthy era or even what is going on in mccains rally's today.
gimme a break will ya?
October 18th, 2008 at 12:42 amThat's one hell of a statement there, Alcyone. Have you fully vetted this Palin woman and where she chooses to worship her shrine? Nutcase preachers are a dime o' dozen these days, alcyone. Speaking of kids, and how the parents may put them into situations that may or not be appropriate.... in the short time I personally have seen Palin, she should not be so bold as to judge.
October 18th, 2008 at 12:47 amalcyone Says:
I’m not desperate because I’m retired, not running for office, and whoever wins the next election will probably not effect me one way or another.
Yeah right, that's why you're imposing your opinion here and now on a message board with people you disagree with? You don't want Obama in the White House because you've swallowed the bad medicine McCain and his lemon of a VP pick are pedaling.
By now you should know what a witch hunt is...or do you just participate in them? As long as other people get hurt and not yourself or anyone around you, it's acceptable? Sorry, but when you follow the pied piper to the tune of bigotry and hate for the belief that you'll be a "patriot", you're just a fool. Obviously you also don't know how civilizations fall and/or fall into darkness when they go along this path.
Do us all a favor, look up Rubicon; Caesar; Rome.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:21 amalcyone, rebel without a clue.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:33 amSeriously, if there is a doctor reading this.
Please check this woman for paranoid schizophrenia.
She shows stressing symptoms. Again seriously, This mental illness can be dangerous.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:35 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
alcyone Says:
If he were so thuroughly investigated, there would be no questions about his associations would there? The mainstream media loves the water Obama walks on and are not about to rock his boat.
The press has thoroughly investigated Obama’s association with Ayres. Don’t you remember them clamoring for the Annengerg records, which Obama asked to be released?
The problem is the answers the press has found are not the answers McNasty and the Republicans are looking for. Too bad so sad.
Sshhhh! We gotta keep this info that McCain has nothing of substance on Ayers on the down low. It makes trolls like this spin and coo that there is something, thereby making McCain look paranoid and crazy. As long as we can make McCain hop up and down like Gollum and have him reference Joe the Plumber, we can do our victory laps early!
Whoops, I've said too much! I'll see you at the meeting.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:37 amI made a contribution to Tinklenberg (her Democratic rival) because of her craziness. Apparently other people who are also outraged have also done this.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:44 amGood for you, ChrisSEA!
Here's a petition for Bachman to be censured:
http://www.censurebachmann.com/
I urge everyone to sign it and add your own comments.
October 18th, 2008 at 1:49 amYou know you've had a bad day when you're supposed to do a fairly innocuous TV interview and the host lets you bury yourself and possibly your career, in your own grave by way of your own mouth.
If I was Michele Bachmann, I'd say I was drunk and the devil took control of my mouth. At least it would play to the base!
October 18th, 2008 at 1:53 amHey Jane, you still about? I have a half a qallon of unpasteurized cider a side of salmon, some crab cakes, poblano peppers, halibut, tuna, strawberries, mesculin mix, zucchini, three different kinds of shrimp and some hand picked crab meat. We can have a party
October 18th, 2008 at 2:05 amWhat might Bachmann conclude of McCain's ties to G Gordon Liddy?
Must one explain Liddy and his criminal record?
What he attempted to do let alone what he did do ?
But Bachmann only has eyes for Obama.
OK, I realize McCain put America first when he knowingly became one of the Keating Five.
Or when McCain was the key note speaker at an ACORN gig.
McCain has many many more relationships with curruption and dangerous people that should be openly cleansed to the public than Obama by far. McCain calls it senoirity or experience.
Palin never explains her husbands membership with his group tht doesn't want to be part of America. But it is a good paying job for his wife, so it is OK?
And realy, Gov Palin running around now saying she has nothing to lose? Problem is, we the American people have something to lose. Perhaps Palin needs to put something on the line to pay a price to make her campaigning more competitive?
As John McCain said earlier in the year. (See it on you tube).
When a candidate has nothing but personal attacks he/she has no bearing on issues to govern. Para phrased of course.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:11 amJust what would it take to do a RICO of the RNC? Hatch Act violations too numerous to mention, phone jamming, e-mail hiding in violation of the records act. politicizing the DOJ, surly there is an organization willing to tackle this.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:24 amJeez, dbadass, sorry I missed you, that would have been some party with all that food. Wayne and I got distracted by a bright shiny object (TV) for a couple of hours.
Goodnight!
October 18th, 2008 at 3:45 amOh, one last thought while I'm still semi-coherent: by extension, Ms. Bachmann also implied that any citizen who supports Obama and other 'liberals' is anti-American. That would mean that an overwhelming majority of Americans are anti-American. WTF? I guess that she would consider it a good thing that all of us are already being eavesdropped on, having our emails read, etc., by our own government, because, to her, we must be in league with the terrorists.
What a freaking whackjob.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:57 amthis kinda says it all...
October 18th, 2008 at 4:15 amAmerica will not be safe until every right-winger is driven from our country.
May I suggest we herd them all into Utah? The right can have their own country, consisting mostly of aging white guys.
October 18th, 2008 at 6:23 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHlmCoKIRvU
Well, I never “felt this thrill going up my leg” the way Chris Matthews’ apparently did. I still can’t imagine Matthews being stupid enough to say anything like that on air….but then, he’s an MSNBC “news” anchor so I guess I can imagine him being that stupid….or biased LMAO
Lmao - Chris Matthews is NOT a news anchor. That you think he is, says you're misinformed on the most basic issues and facts. Low information voters like you are what's wrong with this country.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:26 amNutsy stuff I say. She took an oath as a representative of the people to uphold the constitution and the laws of the land. She has undoubtedly misunderstood her role. She works for her constituents not god. I think she needs to reflect on what her ultra right wing (wingers) have given to us all. Unconstitutional removal of Habeus Corpus from the purview of the courts to the personal discretion of the president, kidnapping, rendition, torture, spying on Americans without benefit of court supervision, expansion of right wing law enforcement powers through localized federal task forces, a runaway vice president who sold the Iraq war on lies, a president of the wingers who can't finish a complete sentance, abandonment of our fellow citizens in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina, an Attorney General engaged in approval of torture, who called the Geneva Conventions "quaint," and yet it is the very substance of the conventions that our troops depend on if captured, indeterminate jailing, killing of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan, stripping the freedom of information law and hiding behind classification of everything from a to z as secret. Hell we can't even see who the VP is seeing during office hours or see his home on the satellite. He is virtually and realistically vacant...what does he do anymore? And much, much more. There's a whole lot here that needs investigating and this lady has no business in our congress hate mongering and spewing her venom of disunity.
October 18th, 2008 at 7:45 amWhat's amazing is that the Congressional District next to her's is the MN 5th which is represented by Keith Ellison who, as most know, is the first Muslim elected to the House and very progressive. What a juxtaposition, the most despicable dingbat loony in Congress and one of the smartest, most intelligent and compassionate members sitting side by side. I can only wonder what Keith thinks of his fellow Minnesotan.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:03 amThe Constitution is just a piece of paper as Bush once said. McCain holds this same view. Recent stories say that the government will soon be listening in on every phone conversation in America. Supposedly this is so they can key in on certain words like "bomb" but what is to prevent them from changing the key word to "Obama"? Their word? Yeah, right. Pro American my ass.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:11 amActually,
Palin and Bachman should be pissing off the females of the country big time. They are causing a backlash of women in politics, that only fuels the mysoginists in the GOP who actually do not feel that politics is for women. Palin and Bachman are SOOOO stupid, they are allowing themselves to be played like fiddles by these GOOPER mysoginists.
Female equal political access is getting launched back in time to pre-Suffragette. Oh the damage the GOP has done to our country. Isolation is NOT the answer, extermination is. Give every GOOPER who doesn't like it here, a plane ticket and vise to Dubai.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:20 amF UCK 'EM ALL!!!!!!
A very good point, Alecto. Bible Spice and Crazy Shelly are not smart enough to form their own ideas. They just spew the crap they are fed by their preachers, husbands, and assorted freaks with an (R) after their names. Though I suppose the voices in their heads might make a contribution, said voices are probably televangelists.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:25 amD***hebag Bachmann is raising boat loads of money for her opponent thanks to this interview. Congrats
October 18th, 2008 at 9:37 amFred Says:
Hey brain, I read justin too occasionally.
Fred, I agree that Republicans are really blatant fascists, but this Democrat crew that votes against YOUR interests is not much better. Socialized corporatism is what it is called. I am sick and tired of the "Lesser of Two Evils" crap.
Do I have to keep repeating what Obama and Biden have voted on and stated:
1 - Drilling for oil
2 - In favor of credit card companies
3 - Telecom immunity
4 - Bailout/Extortion scam
5 - Bold faced lies about Russia/South Ossetia conflict
6 - Accelerate war in Afghanistan
So keep lying to yourself. Either McCain or Obama we get more war, more surveillance, more corporatism.
Sorry Fred, I drink neither Blueberry or Cherry Kool Aid.
Ginkgo Biloba and Maca Root do just fine.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:42 amBrain, suicide is only option. Go play in the freeway, please. I did say 'please'.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:45 amHow will the Rethugnikkkans get out of the forest they will be banished to after the election....?
They will take the Psycho-path"
October 18th, 2008 at 9:46 amYou've got to know that a person is pathetic when even Pat Buchanan came across as "reasonable" compared to her.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:23 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Brain, suicide is only option. Go play in the freeway, please. I did say ‘please’.
Naturally, idiots of the left persuasion, such as yourself, are mentally constipated, and cannot engage in a discussion of FACTS. You just proved to me that there is no difference between the left and the right when truth is thrown in front of your emotionally charged faces.
You are being suckered into "Jesus Obama", and disregard what he and Biden vote for.
Funny, how the response from a site like Freerepublic can be substituted for so-called "Progressive" sites.
Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Verizon, At&T, the military industrial complex, the pharmaceuticals, and Wall Street will that you kindly for your vote. Personally, I prefer to live with my conscience, something even Progressives are forgetting.
Now, Dr Matt, keep repeating your mantra:
"Lesser of Two Evils"
"A vote for third party is a vote for McCain"
"Change"
October 18th, 2008 at 10:40 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Brain, there is absolutley no need for you to resort to charactor assasination.....we know who uses those methods.
You said it yourself.
So if you believe that then you basically agree with us. We must get rid of the republicans. That is the goal right now. You are not helping, in fact you are helping them. Is that your true goal.
Help us now to rid our country of this cancer and I promise, I will be on board for addressing your valid points when we have a real opportunity to do just that.
Please stop with the rudeness.....it dosn't help your case. You claim to be a progressive, I don't see how you can think that any of us are anything but what you claim to be.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:59 amcharactor=character sorry for spelling errors
October 18th, 2008 at 11:20 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
I am sick and tired of the “Lesser of Two Evils” crap.
Actually I have to agree with Brian here. While standing on the sidelines of this (an probably because of that) it seems to me that the whole of US politics somehow came to be rigged (probably purposefully by the likes of the corporate MSM and people like Murdoch) to become akin to some brainless "sporting" event, where cheering for "my team" (full of overpaid idiots who flock to the highest bidder) and the "personalities" within has replaced any rational thought. Its one thing to consciously advocate some policies of your candidate, quite another to succumb to a personality cult of your "star", which sadly appears to be the case with a large portion of both the Democrats and Republicans.
Also, the "Lesser of Two Evils" is a logical fallacy. Unless one can prove that at each election cycle the "lesser" of the evils becomes truly lesser then the last time, all one does by voting the "lesser evil" is to slow down the descent into the abyss, only to discover at the next election cycle that the "lesser evil" this time is deeper into the dark pit then the last time around.
Frankly, I am starting to seriously question if the entire scheme of the US (and by extension those in many other Western countries) "democracy" has really had it and has been irretrievably corrupted by the confluence of big business, politics and mass media working hand in hand to replace (unfortunately quite successfully) the citizens with brainless "consumers".
October 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pmwho let the Nader/Paul '08 crowd loose?
October 18th, 2008 at 1:12 pmYears ago at the old NYT political message boards one of my nicknames was Unamericano. I figured I'd preempt the opposition. I was also a lot less reverent, more transgressive, eschewing taboos, in those days. I billed myself as "the best in bad taste".
Making humor out of tragedy just for the nihilistic hell of it and to get under the skin of certain types is hard work. But I've mellowed with age. I've been accused to selling out. But for these prices I could care less. Actually, I think I'm still doing the same thing as always only in a different way, that's all.
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October 18th, 2008 at 1:35 pmWhat are you supposed to do choose the greater of the evils? Sometimes choosing the lesser evil mitigates the harm.
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October 18th, 2008 at 1:37 pmI was a teenaged geek who actually watched in horror the McCarthy anti communist sludge on TV. I cannot believe that a sitting legislator today would be so insane as to accuse a presidential nominee of being unpatriotic.
I would expect her apology, her resignation and her voluntary commitment to an asylum.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:57 pmIs everyone in Mn. 6th district a fu*king looney tune?
October 18th, 2008 at 3:06 pmI am gonna kick ClusterTim's ass!
October 18th, 2008 at 3:53 pmWhere's the help for El Tinlenberg? (yes that's his real name)
This is an easily winnable election with a few TV commercials exposing this nutjob!
October 18th, 2008 at 8:48 pmgreenpagan Says:
What are you supposed to do choose the greater of the evils? Sometimes choosing the lesser evil mitigates the harm.
Choosing the "lesser evil" does "mitigate" the harm in the sense that it slows down the disaster. But it does NOT stop it. And as such it is, in the end, en exercise in futility.
And no, I do not think that voting Nader/Paul/Whatever-other-hopeless-candidate is a "solution". When the game is rigged, you are going to get the short end of the stick no matter how you play it. The only way to "win" such a rigged game is to kick the game board over and punch the cheating crooks who rigged it in the face. And that is the hard truth many here do not wish to hear, desperately hoping that some miraculous "messiah" will somehow, against all odds and against all empirical evidence deliver a miracle. And each time when your last idol persona fails to deliver, you desperately latch onto the next, whilst accusing those who point out your folly of being guilty of ... that very folly, as you cannot even imagine that someone can possible not be a cheerleader for some pointless "team" in the game (Paul/Nader/Greens/etc). It is sad really.
What is the solution? Damned if I know. But that does not in any way invalidate my observation that playing the rigged game must, and will, in the end lead only to the "honest" players' (in this case the "voters") complete and utter defeat.
October 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pmOh boy! -Another Repugnant "genius"... -Maybe they should have paired this DFB with the other one, instead of the senile old d1ckface.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:50 amShe has done the world a great service by destroying the myth of "White Supremecy" in a single interview.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:38 amThe video here: http://www.obamamustsee.com/ shows what Obama wants to protect. Is that pro-American? I hope you see http://www.obamamustsee.com/ before voting.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:07 amI wrote a song 4 years ago called "(Didn't Know I Was) Unamerican". I can't believe it's still relevant today.
"(Didn't Know I Was) Unamerican"
October 25th, 2008 at 1:11 amSo she thinks the media should do a “penetrating investigation” of Congress. I, personally, think a neurologist should order a penetrating CT scan to see if she has a brain in her head. but i do, i have brain and using it in my field of certifications as I'm going to attempt my 70-642 Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure, Configuring exam which I had prepared from best IT Training service provider and I’m confident to pass it in first attempt as I have already pass my 70-620MCTS: Windows Vista, Configuration Exam along with 70-630 Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007, Configuring with high score as i will be free from all this i must return on your page and see whats other people are saying and palin start using her brain or not.
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